Wednesday, January 5th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  118 responses

Post Up: Put Your Hands Up

Knicks shock the Spurs, while the Heat keep cruising.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

New York 128, San Antonio 115

The Spurs, in the opening night of a three-game road trip, seemed like they might’ve spent a little too much time thinking about their matchup with Boston (tonight) and not enough on the Knicks, who were up first. New York came out firing hot, scoring 72 first-half points and finishing with a 54.9 percent shooting rate. For what it’s worth, San Antonio put up tons of points as well, but the Knicks kept a narrow lead for the majority of the 48 minutes and created some separation in the final stretch. Oddly, with about three minutes remaining and only a 10-or-so point differential, Coach Popovich took out all of his starters, either as a punishment for their weak effort or an attempt to save some energy for tonight’s game. The Knicks were led by the (suddenly) usual three dudes: Wilson Chandler (31 points, 9 rebounds), Amar’e Stoudemire (28 points, 9 rebounds) and Raymond Felton (28 points, 7 assists). They’ll have some solid momentum as they begin a road trip in Phoenix on Friday, and, well, let’s just say I wouldn’t want to be the Celtics right about now. Something tells me the Spurs are coming out real, real serious tonight.

Miami 101, Milwaukee 89

Here’s an interesting element to the way the Heat play: For long stretches of time, they often look like an incredibly average basketball team. You watch a few quarters of this, and you think, Man, with a solid strategy and some great shooting, anyone can beat these guys. Then they turn it on. No group can go on a quick scoring run like these guys can. Not a one. And that’s exactly what they did in the fourth quarter last night, negating three mediocre quarters and earning an easy victory. The W marks 19 of 20 for the Heat, who were led by Dwyane Wade and his 34 points.

Chicago 111, Toronto 91

As much as Orlando has been winning as of late (six in a row), they still can’t crack the top 3 in the East—and the Bulls are to blame. Chicago has now won five straight (and 14 of 16), and the Raptors just couldn’t keep up against the red hot home team. Luol Deng dropped 24, and six Bulls scored in double figures during the victory.

Memphis 110, Oklahoma City 105

Don’t really know what’s going on here. The Thunder haven’t really looked bad—they’ve won plenty and are among the top teams in the West (they’re in fifth as I write this)—but it’s hard to watch them on a nightly basis, or look at a couple of the teams they’re behind in the standings, and not think, You know, they could, or should, be better. I won’t speculate as to what exactly the issue is or where the blame should go—maybe you guys have some thoughts—but I’ll definitely be paying attention moving forward. This one was pretty close, but the Grizzlies held the Thunder off in the final minutes, getting huge nights from Zach Randolph (31 points, 16 boards) and Rudy Gay (27 points).

Dallas 84, Portland 81

A slightly different story than that Spurs-Knicks game here. In a defensive struggle, the Mavs edged the Blazers and looked as though they found themselves a solid Caron Butler replacement, too. Deshawn Stevenson, that is, who scored 18. Dallas hosts the Thunder tomorrow night in what should be a good one.

Atlanta 108, Sacramento 102

The Hawks took a 14-point lead into halftime, and though the Kings threatened in the final minutes—some Tyreke Evans buckets held with that—Atlanta hung on for the win. Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson combined for a cool 60 spot, while Evans led the Kings with 29. I know they need to do what’s best for Tyreke’s health, but given all of these losses, it’s tough to imagine just how bad Sacramento would be if Evans elects to go with season-ending surgery—which, at this point, seems kind of inevitable.

LA Lakers 108, Detroit 83

The Lakers might not have solved all of their problems just yet, but they did put them on hold for the time being, cruising to an easy victory against a severely less talent Pistons squad. After a back-and-forth first half, LA came out energized and focused, and their opponents just didn’t stand much of a chance. And I’ll end this shindig with a congrats to Mr. Kobe Bryant, who, with 17 points of his own, passed Dominique Wilkins for 10th on the all-time scoring list. Respect.

Actual Stats: Zach Randolph: 31 points, 16 rebounds, 2 steals.

Moment of the Night: Not much went right for the Spurs last night, but they did get a hell of a posterization from DeJuan Blair, who banged on Ronny Turiaf something fierce. Ronny’s frustration led to a chest bump, then a T, but it didn’t help us forget what took place seconds before. Check it:

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  • JTaylor21

    Alright the word I was looking for was versitale, my fault Allen. Still what makes KD so great apart from his scoring ability? People act like this is the first time a 6-10 player ever scored the way KD does, remeber a guy by the name of LBird. He was a better pure shooter, a better passer, a better rebounder, and even though it hurts me to say this; a better defender than KD. Let’s not even talk about both player’s clutch abilities. I doubt that people back then were gassing up a young bird the same way people today gas up KD and if they did, the hype was warranted in Bird’s case.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Westbrook is nice. Really, really nice. But certain folks who don’t like Durant are going overboard these days.
    Kind of the way people who don’t like Kobe started to overrate Gasol.
    Or the people who thought LeBron would cede dominance to Wade on the Heat.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Larry Bird was called basketball Jesus. Hype doesn’t get much higher then that

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You don’t think people were gassing up a young Bird like they do Durant?
    YOu need to read some old articles from that time period. Bird was THE MAN after his performance in the NCAA tournament, and was easily one of the most hyped young players ever. When he took Boston to a title so early in his career, the hype went crazy.
    Anyway, I’m not comparing Durant to Bird, I’m just talking about his current skill set.
    He does as many things on the floor as Carmelo, and nobody in their right mind would consider Westbrook and Carmelo on the same level.

  • LA Huey

    I wanted to get your guys’ opinion on this: Windhorst came out with an article today hyping Wade as clearly MVP candidate than LeBron and pointed primarily at his recent string of numbers as is case. It’s hard for me to put one over the other. Across the board, their contributions are nearly identical. If I had to give one the edge, it’d be Bron because he’s been a better playmaker. What do you guys think?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Melo is a much bettere rebounder this year, but for their careers, Durant and Melo are about the same. And Durant’s scoring efficiency is way, WAY better.

  • LA Huey

    Also, this NYK hype is so silly. Amare can be in the MVP conversation but shouldn’t win. Barring injury, there is no rookie contending for what is rightfully The Griffin’s award.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Windhorst still is pissed that his meal ticket jumped town and didn’t give him the scoop.
    As for MVP, Bron has been more consistent, and a much better defender. But, then again, defense doesn’t count in the MVP discussions. Also, my personal feeling is that Bron has sacrificed more of his game to improve Wade’s comfort level, but that’s just my opinion, I have no actual proof other than the games I’ve watched.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Neither player is most valuable. They diminish each other’s value. IMO LeBron has been more important to the Heat’s success as their facilitator and overall play. Wade has been their best scorer, especially in the 4th, but IMO he can’t be the MVP when he is not playing any better then one of the guys on his team.

  • JTaylor21

    Allen P, I’m talking about the immense hype KD received this offseason. I mean the way the media and people were talking about him, you would have swore his was the second coming of christ or something. Like you said yoursef, dude is on the same plane as Melo but people act like he belongs in Kb/Wade/Bron’s lane. That’s what I meant by when I said he was overrated.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I didn’t disagree with your comment on him being overrated, I just disagree with your comment on Durant and Westbrook, which you’ve made before.
    Durant being overrated, and WEstbrook being better than him are two different animals.
    And, to T-Money, Durant has hit clutch jumpers in the past. But, his one-on-one game needs some work.

  • LA Huey

    @Allenp, true. Though I don’t feel either has really sacrificed when you consider what they’ve both gained. Wade has great defender to guard the fast break when he attacks the rim with reckless abandon and Bron’s finally seeing honest defenses.

    @nbk, I feel Bron’s 3rd qtr killing sprees should count nearly as much as Wade’s act in the 4th.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah it’s a matter of preference Huey, I don’t think either is better or more important then the other with both on the roster as of right now. But I do however think if you had to take one off the Heat, it would hurt them more to lose LeBron.

  • Stepfan

    Quick question on MVP. If the Heat end up with the best record at the end of the season, do you give the MVP to Bron or Dwade? Or will there be a co-MVP?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dirk, Rose, Howard, Durant – I don’t see the MVP going anywhere else

  • T-Money

    Windy is trying very hard to distance himself from Bron and show that he didn’t get scooped up by ESPN just for covering Bron. At the same time, he got completely shut off by Bron’s circle and doesn’t have any 1vs1 access right now. There were reports circulating that Bron is very ticked off that Windy is in Miami. There’s gotta be more to the story. In any case, his articles this year have been really sh-tty compared to what he was writing for the PD.

  • T-Money

    So far, Bron has done more for Miami. They score and rebound exactly the same while Bron defends better and creates for others. It’s not something that people are talking about right now but Bron has had to finish games on Wade’s initial defensive assignment a lot. It actually happened in the last 4 games (Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, S-Jax and John Salmons).

  • LA Huey

    @nbk, I hear you. I predict Rose or Durant, whomever’s team has the better record.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And on that note, I would like to apologize all those who participate in the voting for the annual top 50. Ya’ll had Rose very high, and for good reason, shouldn’t have questioned ya’ll on that one

  • LA Huey

    @T-Money, I’ve noticed the switch on defense too. It’s a shame that voters care more about scoring numbers than defensive presence(as a result Amare > Dwight). Also, I feel LBJ slacks/helps too much when he’s not assigned the best wing.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    If I was voting for the MVP today, I’d vote for Amar’e. POW!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-money
    We agree on windhorst.

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    That mavs get a hard-fought win last night. I hear a trade could be in the works..

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    ^**The**

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    The^

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wilson Chandler = Future All Star

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He also equals another great draft pick by Isiah Thomas.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    CP is going to be the MVP, if NOH win more than CHI. Durant has not played like an MVP.

  • T-Money

    LA Huey: Spot on. Bron’s intensity tends to vary when he doesn’t respect the guy is covering. That’s when he starts cheating and jumping passing lanes. Put him on Jax or Paul Pierce and it’s on.

  • TheNewYorker

    I’m a Knick fan for life, and as much as I agree with Teddy about Chandler he needs to be packaged with another player and cash to get the Knicks a decent defender. It’s hard considering the pieces the Knicks have, but they need defensive help. If Iguo was healthy I’d say go after him for the 2 spot. Or get Camby back to NY and move Amare back to the four where he belongs. That will help their D. Hell, even Dalembert and his expiring deal would help them. They are one contributer away from being taken seriously.

  • JeffOG

    The Knicks are almost contenders. Almost. They need a piece or two before they can be a threat, especially in the top-heavy East.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If they move Amare to the four, where do they play Gallo?
    The market is better for a stretch four with Gallo’s potential, and I don’t know if he can consistently play the three. What do Knicks’ fans think?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Would signing T-Mac have made a big difference for the Bulls?

  • Stepfan

    @Allenp yeah T-mac could have helped, especially at the 2 spot and Drose could have resurrected his career. But the Buls organization didnt trust T-mac body aka his knees and his history of being injury prone.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I don’t know about that. Part of the reason TMac is experiencing success in Detroit is because injuries to other players is allowing him to have the ball in his hands most of the time. He wouldn’t have that luxury in Chicago. Plus, Bulls are a defensively focused team that tries to run on offense. TMac wouldn’t fit into either of those. He’s playing well but the Bulls made the right move not signing him.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Bulls should go for Courtney Lee, Ramon Sessions, or Arron Afflalo. I’m assuming the asking price on Mayo is too high.

  • JeffOG

    Gallo would be a nice 6th man.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel I heard Courtney Lee and JR Smith are the two guys they are likely going to trade for. well one of them obviously – Presumably Courtney Lee would be their first option if they can’t get a big name like Mayo (who maybe an easy acquisition because of the fight and Memphis’ realization that they don’t have the loot to resign him)

  • JeffOG

    Afflalo would be another nice pick up for the Knicks

  • TheNewYorker

    Allenp: I think it could work. It would take major adjustment and hard work but he has the ability. I’d just hate to see him go before Chandler. On another note, if you could trade coaches I’d take Byron Scott over D’Antoni. As long as he’s coach I can’t ever get my hopes up about the Knicks. His type of play will never equal a chip. Never been a fan of the Nelson/D’Antoni style of play. With a different coach and another piece or two my Knicks could be scary.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bulls fans are still sleeping on Nick Young… But I know, everybody thinks I’m crazy.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Man, everything Allenp has said is right. EVERYTHING. If we’re not talking about Steve Nash, I think Allenp should change his name to “the basketball common sense”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That’s only because you disagree with me about Nash… I’m still right.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I just feel iike Nick Young is undiciplined. I have no basis for this, its just my opinion. I have the same feeling for him that I do about Ben Gordon and JR Smith…he’s just out to get his.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Haha, well if I disagree it’s not common sense. I know people have disagreed with you over other things you’ve said on here, but they are not as important as you or I.
    That is interesting what you bring up, the Carmello for Noah + scrubs trade which fell through a while ago. I gotta say, I owe Bryan Crawford a coke cause I said the Bulls would be getting a lot more L’s than they have been without Joakim holding down the middle.
    So do you think that trade would really be beneficial? Do you think they could really give Boston/Magic a run without anyone to contain their bigs? I mean, as much as Melo isn’t talked about with the big dogs in the NBA, a dude like him really doesn’t come around too often.
    Which brings me up another interesting debate: I said that the small forward class was one of the most stacked areas of NBA history (just off the top of my mind, Larry Bird, Doctor J, Scottie Pippen, John Havlicek, Rick Barry, Lebron James, Elgin Baylor, Alex English, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley, Billy Cunningham, Paul Pierce, Chris Mullin, Connie Hawkins… wow, that’s a lot of great players!). Right now, we have two players sort of on the cusp of greatness: Kevin Durant and Carmello Anthony. How far do you all think they will go, and what will they have to do to move up the list?
    Bear with me, I’m bored.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If Carmelo continues this rebounding improvement he becomes even more impresive in the all time debate, although I still think he doesn’t think his way through games enough.
    Durant is actually further from the cusp than Melo, but most people don’t see that.
    Melo’s problems are mindset and attitude based, Durant’s are skillset based.
    Think about it.
    I thought that without Noah the Bulls with Boozer and Gibson would stop no one. While they have played poor teams, they have still managed to stop a few people. Thus, losing Noah would not have made the team significantly worse as I first assumed given his defense, rebounding and intelligence.
    So, the chance to have three bonafide scorers on one team, while still being able to stop most teams looks more enticing. Rose, Melo and Boozer on the same squad would be an amazingly potent offensive lineup. We already see the impact Boozer alone is having.
    Then again, they would be better than Miami or Boston, so they would almost be stuck in the same spot they are now in a way.

  • D-Block

    People saying that the Durantula is overrated are whilin’…c’mon son. The Kobe faithful will quickly remind you how many rings he has, but I think that’s irrelevant considering that KD started off on Seattle (not a diss but yall can feel me on this one). Not saying that Durant IS better than Lebron or Kobe but to not even include him in the conversation is ludicrous.

    I agree with JTaylor that the media OD’ed on him this offseason and many put some pretty lofty expectations on him, but saying things like he has a “shaky handle”…this dude is dang near 6’10 at age 22. Name a player other than Dirk, McGrady, Bron with those kind of perimeter skills and who could handle the rock like him at that size.

    I’d say that the KD craze was a combination of several factors: 1. The Decision-fans everywhere now hated Lebron for the first time because of his public display of arrogance 2. KD’s humility-even after winning the Naismith as a freshman in college, rookie of the year, leading a youthful, upstart team in OKC within one offensive rebound of beating the 2 time defending champion Lakers, KD is one of the humblest young stars of the decade, 3. leading the league in scoring in his third season (30ppg), 4. the World Championships in 10′.

    Also, with the steady emergence of Westbrook and other role players such as Harden (namely those whose roles weren’t as vital last season), you can say that KD doesn’t have to put up MONSTER numbers every night for OKC to have a good season anymore. I do recognize that Kobe, LBJ, and KD are usually brought up when discussing who the league’s best player is, but although I am not biased (none of them are my favorite player), I do have the opinion that Kobe is the best player right now, however, that all could change very soon. Bottom line: the Durant hype IS warranted!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    Nick Young is undisciplined, but he’s still young and he’s grown.
    I think Affalo would be good, defintely an upgrade from what you all have now, but I don’t know if he has the scoring chops you really need. Mayo obviously would be the best fit, but what do the Bulls have to offer Memphis for him?
    Nick Young can put the ball in the hole in a variety of ways, and if Thibodeau can make Boozer and Rose decent defenders, he can do the same with Young. Trust me, Young is no worse than Boozer on defense, and that hasn’t killed the Bulls yet.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I agree with Allen on Carmelo and his rebounding. His improvement in that area has turned him from Glenn Robinson II to a legit superstar. On the other hand, I want to know if the Knicks still haven’t beat anyone good. I typed a comment earlier, unfortunately my stupid phone won’t post on here. I agree with Eboy almost completely on the Knicks, but I think they’re actually going to get better as the season moves on and will eventually be a tough out come playoff time. They’re still going to go out, but it’s not going to be as easy as everyone thinks. Wilson Chandler is so slept on it’s ridiculous. That dude is getting better every day and I think, given the chance can be a legit second star for the Knicks. He does everything you want from a guy, good defender, solid rebounder , can hit the three, take it to the hole, has a very nice mid range J and is only getting better. Once he gets consistent and realizes he can score on just about anybody it’s gonna be huge. The best part is that he’s smart, every time TP switched on him last night, he took him right down in the post and made them pay for it.

  • LA Huey

    Bulls want to keep Noah. Boozer and Taj have done a great job holding it down right now but a guy like Noah is something you need in the playoffs.

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