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Wednesday, January 12th, 2011 at 8:33 am  |  106 responses

Post Up: Lakers Go H.A.M.

While snow holds back hoops in Atlanta.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Milwaukee-Atlanta

Snow! No roads! More importantly, no hoops! They’ll replay this one on March 15. We’ll talk then.

Washington 136, Sacramento 133

Can watching basketball make you dumber? I’d like to think it can’t, or else there’s no way that I’d be able to string together a decent sentence or two, given all the hoops I’ve checked out over the years. But if there’s ever been a game that can successfully take down a brain cell or two, this was it. Holy hell. The last minute of regulation was a straight-up mess, as the Wizards literally did everything in their power—failed inbounds passes, miserable D, dumb fouls—to make sure the Kings came back (they were down 8 with 45 ticks left) and forced OT. Then after some quality buckets in extra time, it felt like the Wizards wanted a repeat, almost letting the Kings pull a second slick comeback. Anyway, enough rambling—the Wiz held on and won a high-scoring affair, led by Nick Young and his career-high 43 points. Buddies Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee combined for 26 points and 24 rebounds, while John Wall went for 22 points and 9 dimes. And if any words are spelled incorrectly in this post, it’s this game’s falt.

San Antonio 107, Minnesota 96

The standard stuff: The Spurs won; Manu Ginobili was solid (19 points, 9 boards); Tony Parker ran the show (12 points, 13 dimes); and Kevin Love dominated (20 points, 20 rebounds, 2 threes, 2 steals) in a loss. But this part was a little weird: During the third quarter, five technical fouls were handed out to different Timberwolves. That’s a big deal in itself, but check this: It all took place in 10 seconds of gameplay. First, one went out to both Darko Milicic and Corey Brewer for gestures made during the same play, then a pair to Coach Rambis for something he yelled as a result, and then one to Love for throwing up his hands on the very next play. Chaos! And it’s still #FreeKevinLove, if you were wondering.

Indiana 111, Philadelphia 103

It’ll be pretty interesting to see which two teams take up the final two playoff spots in the East, but if things keep up, this we know: They won’t be very good. As of now, the Pacers, at 15-20, hold the seventh spot, a position they’ve retained despite a whole bunch of recent losses. But they did get a win last night, defeating the Sixers on the road in a relatively empty Wells Fargo Center. Danny Granger led them with 27 points, while Darren Collison (21) and Mike Dunleavy both contributed as well. The Sixers threatened in the final minutes, but a 10-or-so-foot Roy Hibbert hook shot officially shut them down.

Denver 132, Phoenix 98

The Nuggets might be a little distracted by trade rumors, but they got their stuff together long enough to beat up on the Suns—a team that probably can’t be fixed by a single trade, at this point. Denver shot 55.7 percent from the field, slightly more than Phoenix’s 36.8 percent, as they outscored the Suns 44-23 in the second quarter and never looked back. Arron Afflalo had a career-high 31 points, and Carmelo Anthony had a nice bounce-back showing with 28 points and 10 boards.

New York 100, Portland 86

After beating a bunch of bad teams, then losing to a bunch of good teams, it seems we can safely nestle the Knicks into the second tier of the NBA, good enough to take down any less talented squad but without the manpower to move up to the elite. They played well last night, defeating a solid Blazers team on the road. Amar’e Stoudemire led NY with 23 points, while LaMarcus Aldridge dropped for the losing squad. The Knickerbockers are in Utah tomorrow night, and the Blazers can chill until their game against Phoenix on Friday.

L.A. Lakers 112, Cleveland 57

So, yeah. This happened. What can you say about a game with 112-57 final? The Lakers did what they do, while the Cavs were dreadful. Dreadful. They shot 29.9 percent from the field, had a leading scorer (Alonzo Gee) who put in 12, and went 1-14 from three and 10-16 from the line. A disaster. Not much else to it. With Anderson Varejao out for the year, this is rock bottom. And that’s really all there is to say about that.

(You see, I could’ve made the font of that recap comic sans, but I didn’t. Admit it: I’m far too kind.)

Actual Stats: Nick Young: 43 points, 7 three-pointers, 4 rebounds, 3 assists.

Moment of the Night: Gotta be the absurd technical foul blizzard in Minnesota. Will update this when/if some video pops up. Back tomorrow, kids.

UPDATE: Here’s the vid:

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The petition to contract the Cavs starts here.

  • Brahsef

    And Dan Gilbert was sayin they’re gonna win a chip before the heat do….

  • MUBWAR

    1 player makes so much difference. 2009 and 2010 best team in the East to the joke of the NBA. Lebron(when the rings come) is gonna be the greatest player of all time. Proof : compare the cavs of 2009 2010 and today’s cavaliers.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    I could care less about the snow in the USA at the moment. Whole towns are underwater in Australia right now on the north-eastern coast. Dams are being broken and some places have water as high as 20m and expected to rise. While the mid-eastern coast is experiencing heat waves and intense humidity. I understand snow is inconvenient and dangerous, but it’s unlikely to destroy your home and community.

  • Eric

    Dan Gilbert, who presented himself as a cross between Endora from Bewitched, and Glenn Close from Fatal Attraction is suffering from his own mojo. And I love it!

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    After halftime, the L.A crowd started to cheer for the Cavs everytime they made a bucket, that’s how bad it was for Cleveland.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I think it’s safe to say that the Cavs have the least talented roster in the NBA…

  • riggs

    watch the cleveland fans turn on dan gilbert

  • KB8toSG8

    I think its safe to say two things:

    1 Cavs suck. I mean really really suck. This has got to be the most pathetic loss I’ve seen since I started watching BBall.

    2 Laker D is back!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Look, any team that only has ONE superstar on the roster will struggle when that player isn’t there anymore.
    So Cleveland’s struggles doesn’t mean that LeBron is “great,” it’s just common sense that they would struggle without him.
    How good would Utah be without DWill? NO without Chris Paul? Orlando without Dwight Howard?
    Spare me the crap.

  • reflex

    These new technical rules are a joke, refs are feeling themselves too much. All the gestures made by the respective Minny players were mild but yet they were getting T’d up like It was Ron’s Indiana Pacers running riot. I can’t enjoy a game of basketball these days, too many timeouts, too many FTs and now these techs which ruin the whole thing even further.

    They came after Rasheed but I said nothing.
    They came after the Timberwolves, but still I said nothing.
    The came after *your team* during Game 7 of finals, and now I’m madder than a mudda…

  • Mike from Spain

    The problem is that Delonte West, Big Z, Shaq and he who shall not be named left, and Varejao and Boobie Gibson are injured. Tell me now, how many teams can play well when their whole previous season starting lineup has either been traded or is injured?

    That said, Cavs suck.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “Look, any team that only has ONE superstar on the roster will struggle when that player isn’t there anymore.
    So Cleveland’s struggles doesn’t mean that LeBron is “great,” it’s just common sense that they would struggle without him.
    How good would Utah be without DWill? NO without Chris Paul? Orlando without Dwight Howard?” Save this for posterity’s sake, people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Who are you quoting, Eboy?

  • Mike from Spain

    Eboy: I usually lean more to B Crawford’s side in your arguments, but this last thing Brian said is just too much…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    See what happens when Kobe decides not to practice…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn ATL, it’s just a little snow!
    And I would say the Cavs should just tank the season, and hope to get the top pick in te draft.
    But like I’ve said, there’s probably no future franchise players in next year’s draft. Certainly no one of LeBron’s level.
    They’re pretty much destined to suck for the next few years,

  • T-Money

    Bryan Crawford is a parody of a LeBron hater. For sh-ts and giggles, let’s take his comment seriously. Utah and NO would be lottery teams without their PGs, the only thing is that they’re not all that great WITH them. Orlando would suffer a HUGE drop without Dwight, which means he’s a great player that can impact the game on both ends. According to BC’s logic that of course means that Bron can’t be a great player too! (zero-sum)

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    B Crawford: you’re right, when a team centers around one player, and that player leaves, things get awful (look at how BAD Phoenix becomes when Nash sits on the bench, look at how bad NO becomes), but to lose out THAT bad… this is a sign that not only was the team built around Lebron and cannot play without Lebron, but it was a team that lacked SKILL that was built around Lebron. I know injuries have wracked up on the Cavs so it’s unfair to gauge how bad they really are, but it’s also time to give Lebron some props: he was carrying these suckers to 60 wins!

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    As anyone who’s watched the Cavs recently knows, it’s not just LeBron’s departure that’s affected this team. Check the box score; if Manny Harris (who??) is playing 40+ minutes, and Antwan Jamison is your best player, well, you get a game like last night.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    As a Laker fan it was hard watching the Cavs get destroyed like that……SMH that wizards/Kings game was terrible. Nick dropped forty-plus but his late missed free throw and turnover allowed the kings back in it. What’s wrong with John Wall? He let Pooh Jeter blow past him for the lay-up ,attempts an ugly game winning shot, then cant help his team in OT because of cramps…..I hope he gets healthy

  • T-Money

    What’s really funny (and wishy-washy) is that the same guys that were arguing last year that LeBron’s supporting cast was more than adequate (to discredit his MVP campaign and put all of the playoffs failure solely on himself) are now saying that this should be expected because the Cavs have zero talent.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    T-Money, I find you to be about as funny (and ridiculous) as you find me sometimes and I think the point that I made was a rather logical one.
    People like to prop up LeBron’s perceived greatness by using the Cavs struggles as an example. But as I said, that same logic can be applied to any team that is solely built around one superstar.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nick Young. That is all.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Its already been said but I’ll say it again. This team, more than any other in the NBA was built specifically for Lebron. They’re a series of complimentary players that were brought in specifically to amplify Lebron’s talents. So yes, when you take away the one guy these players were all brought in to play with, they’re going to be bad. Add to that the fact that you’re starting 2 guard is out and your starting center is out for the year while you’re going up against possibly the longest team in the league and you get a game like this. Its still ridiculous but let’s not get too hyped up on Lebron’s impact.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Yes, considering Cleveland won 60+ games 2 years straight, I’d say that LBJ’s supporting cast was more than adequate as complimentary pieces. Especially to win a championship.
    But to think that a squad full of complimentary pieces and no superstar is supposed to win a ton of games and not struggle is just outright ridiculous.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The hHornets would be terrible but they would have one former all star in west. In fact, last year the hornets lost paul and thanks to two rookies were competitive. Utah would still have millsap, jefferson and ak.
    no elite team (based on record) was as dependent on one player as the cave were. This was obvious last year and even more obvious this year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The 2001 sixers were built around.iverson. they still had the ability to win a eastern conference finals game without him. No way do the cavs do that. The team sucks and every player on the team was third tier or.lower. no other team has that level of talent and wins 60 games. And bron is putting up 25, 7 and 7.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You really believe the cave had the talent to win a ring? Wow.
    Substitute d rose for lebron on that team and tell me if they win a ring. Or Kobe. Or wade! I can’t believe you said that.

  • T-Money

    BC: Give me the list of players that could have won 65+ games with the Cavs last year. The Cavs are not merely struggling right now, they’re the worst team in the league. Dude, give it up, you’re looking like a crazy deranged fan right now. Bron is a great player, deal with it. Doesn’t mean you have to like him but saying otherwise is just bizarre!

  • MUBWAR

    Bryan, a good player can carry a team to about 40 and maybe 50 wins. ex Bosh. But when a player carries a team to consecutive 60+ wins seasons, they are an Elite player. Looks like the cavs are headed to 25 wins season which will show the difference a player of that caliber can do for your team. Seiously, does someone even remember 2002 cavaliers? I know I don’t.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Allen – EVERYONE thought the cavs had the talent to win a ring. This whole damn comments section was talking about the Cavs wininng the title right up until the game they got knocked out. All of a sudden you all now think they didn’t have a chance??

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    So a team that wins 60+ games in the regular season with arguably the best player in the NBA, still has no shot at winning a ring? Seriously?

  • riggs

    on the flipside you can counter argue BC’s post about lebron being hyped up by saying that he carried this bunch of scrubs to 120+ wins in 2 seasons. just sayin…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    I mean come on, this dude took a team with FAR LESS talent to the NBA Finals once and then when he has a squad better than that one and they win 16 and 11 more games respectively, all of a sudden has no chance? Really?!
    And you guys call me crazy and deranged. Sheesh…

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    No Diesel, everyone didn’t

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    a seven game series is much different then a regular season meeting. Teams can have great records with no real shot at winning a title. None of LeBron’s cleveland teams should have made a finals, that 07 team was a fluke in the right circumstances. They just simply weren’t built to beat elite teams in the playoffs

  • Flight

    @Bryan Cawford. When you say teams without their superstars would obviously struggle, does that not add to the argument that that player IS great? I think all the players you mentioned especially Lebron would be considered “great” with or without their current teams…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I never thought the suns were contenders EVER. why? Because a quick look at what the did well and poorly showed they didn’t have it. Personally, I thought the cavs needed another player. I hated the jamison trade and wrote as much on here multiple times. No everybody did not think they were contenders last year. Now the year before when garnett was hurt I did rink they were goingbto beat orlando and get tot the finals. I didn’t thin orlando had the defenders to.domain lebron and I though the cavs could defend dwight. I was wrong on both issues.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Regular season wins are regular season wins. Certain things work when the other team doesn’t have time to gameplan just for you.
    Bron has been in the discussion for best in the league for years because everybody saw what he did with the team he had. That team played great defense most of the.time but beyond that what did they do well? Bron carried that team like iverson carried.the sixers, kidd carried the nets and garnett carried the wolves. Like Kobe carried the lakers when he dropped 35 a game. Bron just had a better record.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    As Bryan Crawford usually says, there is a lot of revisionist history going on. When I visited the sight last year (often briefly), the Cavs were talked about as if they definitely had the pieces to win a Chip. People were talking about how they needed a stretch 4 (which they got), and that they were definitely ready to compete for a title.
    nbk – You told me yday that SOS is irrelevant, actually what you said was it is ‘wack, not useful’, so I did a little research and found you last month using SOS to argue about the Knicks/Heat. Someone mentioned how NY/MIA had similar schedules, and that ‘everyone should get off MIA’s dick’, to which you replied:

    nbk Posted: Dec.14 at 4:45 pm
    the Knicks have played the easiest schedule in the leauge. Miami has played the 10th easiest.

    So I guess certain figures are only relevant when they bolster your argument, not defuse it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Allen, the difference is that by-and-large, nobody thought Iverson or Kidd could win a title. Nobody thought KG and his squad could’ve won a title. Nobody thought Kobe could win a title prior to the acquisition of Pau. None of those guys were ever the favorites.
    It wasn’t like that with LBJ.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People aren’t me. I can only answer for my own stupidity.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    The Philosopher Posted: Feb.17 at 8:54 pm
    Jamison is the James Worthy to LeBron’s Magic Johnson. Shaq plays Kareem, Varejo is Rambis, Z’ll be back. The Lakers are in trouble. Big, huge trouble. I don’t know what else to say. If Cleveland stays healthy……………….

    Where you at Phil? Cleveland stayed pretty healthy right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So you agree the talent levels we’re similar but you say LeBron should be held to a higher standard because people thought he could win a ring?
    Isn’t.that just a testament to how great he was? The same talnet.as teams everybody wrote off but because he played for the team they were title contenders. And iverson.and kidd weren’t considered true contenders because they were going against the lakers and spurs clearly superior teams.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Tarzan Cooper Posted: Feb.17 at 9:16 pm
    what happpens if they lose to the magic again?
    James the Balla Posted: Feb.17 at 9:30 pm
    @Tarzan… it won’t be Bron’s fault. It will be his sh!tty teammates faults!!!

    Well that was pretty prophetic.

  • T-Money

    BC: I’ll say this and tell me if I’m lying. It’s quite easy to predict the stance you’re taking on any LeBron-related matter: the one that makes him look the worst. If you really think that LeBron is not a great player, then there’s nothing to discuss here. Complete waste of time. You’re a crazy deranged hater of all things LeBron Raymone James, it is what it is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Allenp, to your credit your were consistent in that Jamison didn’t excite you for the Cavs, and Amar’e was the way to go.
    nbk – You were arguing that a stretch 4 was the best way for the Cavs to go, and that Troy Murphy??!! Was a better fit than Amar’e. Well call that assessment interesting at best.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Allenp, to your credit your were consistent in that Jamison didn’t excite you for the Cavs, and Amar’e was the way to go.
    nbk – You were arguing that a stretch 4 was the best way for the Cavs to go, and that Troy Murphy??!! Was a better fit than Amar’e. Well call that assessment interesting at best.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    T-Money, for every comment or statement that makes him look great, there are similar ones that make him look awful. While some choose to focus on the former, I choose to speak on the latter. I’m no different than anyone else, just louder.
    So crazy and deranged, no. Hater of all things LeBron Raymone James, I’m fine with that label.
    I don’t have to like him or think that he’s great. I’ve acknowledged him before as being a good player, but I just don’t see him through the same goggles that everyone else does who constantly like to talk about how great of a player he is.
    You guys are no more entitled to your opinion of him then I am to mine.

  • riggs

    @flight: thats my argument as well, youre pretty much defeating your own argument bryan (and btw i dont really like lebron OR the heat)

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    “After beating a bunch of bad teams, then losing to a bunch of good teams, it seems we can safely nestle the Knicks into the second tier of the NBA, good enough to take down any less talented squad but without the manpower to move up to the elite” The Bulls and Spurs are bad teams? lol

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I just hope the Knicks “nestle” into a playoff seed that matches them up with those pesky Bulls in the first round. rofl

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Like the title of this PU says, I go H.A.M.
    T-Money, for every comment or statement that makes him look great, there are similar ones that make him look awful. While most choose to focus on the former, I choose to speak on the latter. I’m no different than anyone else, just louder.
    So crazy and deranged, no. Hater of all things LeBron Raymone James, I’m fine with that label.
    I don’t have to like him or think that he’s great. I’m on record as acknowledging him as being a good player, but I just don’t see him through the same goggles that everyone else does who constantly like to talk about how great of a player he is.
    You guys are no more entitled to your opinion of him then I am to mine.
    Like I said, I’m just louder.

  • http://slamonline.com AlbertBarr

    @AllenP: I was thinking of your posts when I watched Nick Young last night…kid is smooth and I think you are right…a team in need of a scoring SG (ahem…Bulls) should be doing everything they can to get this kid from the wiz

    @adamfigman: Why you got to hate on the Kings epically grinding effort to send the game to overtime?! that was just some gritty play…the Kings didnt want to just quit, they wanted to win the first game of their roadtrip. Now, it is prolly going to come back to bite them in the proverbial a$$ when they play Boston tonight…should have left some in the tank for the geezers.

  • T-Money

    IAMORANGE: To, me the first tier in the East is ORL, BOS, MIA. NYK and CHI are in the second tier with ATL. The rest is garbage. I don’t give any team in the second tier a chance in the playoffs against any team in the first tier. NYK could MAYBE sneak in the 2nd round if they finish 4th or 5th. If they finish 6th, then they’re getting smoked.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So if Lebron is “good” then Derrick Rose must be “above average”.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That was a good win by the Knicks. Portland is tough at home as miami just found out. The Knicks won pretty handily. You could argue that miami softened them up but that would be hating.
    Knicks could possibly, POSSIBLY upset the magic. I could see.the magic getting conned into the Knicks pace and.jackingdumb threes. Any team that does that can lose to the Knicks. A team that makes them work.on defense beats them because they just do not do a good of playing consistent defense throughout the shotclock. Bulls with a healthy noah should beat the Knicks. Atlanta is 50/50.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Touche eboy, touche.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Adam Figman

    AlbertBarr: No hate! But the Wiz had countless opportunities to do simple things like protect the ball, not foul on a three-pointer, or just get the ball in-bounds, and they failed play after play. So yeah, impressive effort by the Kings, but come on…the Wiz blew that one.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Portland has only beat like two teams above .500 at home this season. well according to the highlight express that is

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    As long as above average remains just below good, I’m fine with that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yep…just below.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    T-money – Totally agree with your tier system. Also, IMO the middle tier EC teams are anywhere from 6-12 placed teams in the West.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    And that’s me putting CHI on the same level as a MIN/LAC, thats me saying that if CHI/ATL/NYK were in the WC they would be nestled in and around UTA/NOH/DEN/POR/HOU Come the end of the season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Not me putting CHI in with MIN/LAC*, before some one calls me out for what I actually said, fully knowing what I really mean.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The Cleveland Cavs are remarkably bad. This is certainly a testament to Bron’s greatness, but as with most things around here, it’s been more than overstated. As a collective, Cleveland’s current crop of players clearly aint worth sh*t. But they were legitimately good complements to Bron’s game and each of them were handpicked for that purpose. So to take Bron out of the equation is to see their relative ‘talents’ out of context. And to proclaim that he carried that team by himself is just silly. They contributed, just not enough. Bye.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    They contributed until the playoffs started, for 4 straight years

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    So if Chicago ends up winning more games than Orlando this season, are they still a second-tier team?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And wouldn’t it be crazy if the Clippers beat the Heat tonight?
    Personally I’d be dissapointed cause I want the Bulls to end their streak on Saturday.
    Plus, if the Heat do lose on the road before that, I think the pressure of trying to break an NBA record will be gone and they’ll probably go nucking futs on the Bulls.
    As is though, should be a good one on Saturday.
    A scorching hot road team against the team with the second-best home record in the NBA.

  • T-Money

    Myles: I agree with everything you’ve said but I don’t find anything silly in saying that he carried that team by himself. The Cavs have never been able to survive a bad game from him – if he wasn’t going for 25-7-7, they were losing for sure. That’s pathetic. // FYI: THE HEAT WILL LOSE MORE GAMES IN THE REGULAR SEASON.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Enigmatic – I wouldn’t think so, with Orlando’s current roster and the way there playing, for CHI to finish ahead of them would prove that they are a top tier team.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    When Letterman asked Marv Albert if he thought the Cavaliers had enough pieces to win a championship, Marv tried to dodge the question and finally said “no, they were still a few pieces away.”
    He said a “few”
    But hey, Bryan Crawford says that Lebron coulda won a championship. F that nobody Marv Albert. Bryan Crawford knows!

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    TIME TO DISAPPEAR BEFORE BC RESPONDS!!!!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Must suck to be the cavs. Last time they were in la, on christmas, they sttepped on lakers so bad, fans booed, and threw shtt onto the court.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lmao at jukai doing another hit n run

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bron carried them the same way Kobe, Kidd and Iverson carried their teams. Or Vince and KG carried their teams. The same way Rose carried his team earlier this year before Boozer got healthy.
    The way Chris Paul carries the HOrnets. Wade carried the Heat. All of those teams were built to complement the main player, and played a style that suited his skillset.
    But, the difference is that Bron’s second best player was worse than every other second best player on every other team.
    Iverson had Deke.
    Kobe had Lamar.
    Kidd had Keyon or R.J. or Kittles.
    Rose had Deng and Noah.
    K.G. had Chauncey
    Paul has West.
    Wade had Beasley.
    Bron had either Mo Williams, decrepit Shaq, or Jamison. And when he got to Finals on a fluke, he had the ghost of Larry Hughes.
    I mean, clearly, Bron had the least amount of talent, yet achieved the most success.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Allen, making sense like that just doesnt resonate with some people. They know everything, and anyone elses opinion is worthless.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Allen. Almost every single running mate you named was never an all star. Yet Lebron had TWO All Stars with him and he has no one? Did you seriously put beasely in Miami over Williams and Jamison? Kerry Kittles?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    Beasley might be a stretch, I’ll admit that.
    Personally, I think that if Coach Eric hadn’t been jerking aroudn his minutes and constantly berating him, he would have played better in Miami. And, he still put up decent numbers down there.
    But, I will concede that Wade had less talent.
    And his record was much worse.
    And using a player’s All-Star berths to justify how good they are is one of the worst strategies ever.
    Do I need to name all of the players who made All-Star teams who didn’t deserve their berths?
    Come on. Judge them on talent. Bron had less talent, did better.

  • TrailBlazing&SportingLisbon

    fu(kin disgusting effort from my Blazers last night

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I agree that players get undeservingly added to the All Star team every year. But in order to even be in the conversation to be undeservingly added, you need to be a pretty damn good player. So I definitely don’t consider Williams and Jamison nobodies. As much as Lebron contributed to the Cavs, let’s not act like losing West, Shaq, and Z didn’t have an affect too. Having Gibson, Parker, and Anderson out also doesn’t help. This year’s Cavs, when fully healthy, has been decent. They beat the Celtics and were 7-9 through the first month of the season; on pace for a 36 and 46 season. But then injuries and Mo’s sensitive side took over They’ve had a series of bad luck injuries that led them to roll out a team with Ryan Hollins and Manny Harris as their starters. So let’s not act like Lebron took this exact team that only scored 57 last night and willed them to the Conference finals. It’s a different team. There were additional contributors that are now gone. Lebron deserves a lot of credit. Just not as much as some of you people are giving him.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    ^^^^YOU PEOPLE? WHAT THE HELL YOU MEAN YOU PEOPLE?!??

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    if anybody thought the cavs team even if 100% healthy was going to compete for a playoff spot then those people need to learn how to evaluate the talent on a basketball team. The cavs have already won me money this season, and I bet that they wouldn’t finish in the top 9 in the east, the day of the decision. And I pushed the bet back from 6th because I felt bad for the cleveland native i was stealing money from. smh, the cavs sucked the day LeBron left, even if they resigned everyone and god turned injuries off.

  • T-Money

    Guys like Skip Bayless and Wojo had the Cavs competing for a playoffs spot. They also share something else in common, I’ll let you figure it out.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Good points diesel. I agree that the team is not the Washington Generals.
    But, do you think the squad is better than the the squads trotted out by all the other players I mentioned?
    In other words, do you think LeBron had to do more to get the obscene amount of wins he got for the team, a number that far exceeds what all of those other players attained?

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    LMAO @ T-Money

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Speaking of the Washington Generals, am I the only one who’s ever gone seen the Harlem Globetrotters and left in disgust?
    I just couldn’t get over how the Generals wouldn’t even try on defense or how the Globetrotters committed like a zillion different rules violations.
    I couldn’t get over the fact that a team of players would willingly lose every game to the same opponent.
    I know it’s for entertainment purposes, but I couldn’t help myself, I had to get out of there quick before I slapped someone.
    Tirade over. Carry on.

  • Michael

    man a lot of people frontin right now, last season the Cavs were considered legit contenders among the slam commentors and in fact were a lot of peoples pick to win. I mean its easy to look back now and say they had a terrible supporting cast, but when Lebron was doing his thing and they were winning games the whole basketball world thought they atleast had a shot at winning.

  • Mike from Spain

    a question to yall … do you think that the Cavs will lose by more than 55 this season?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Tarazan – That made me laugh out loud at work
    Allen – I think what DWade did with Miami 2 years ago was much more impressive. He took a team of rookies and nobodies and carried them all season.
    That Nets team with Kidd was very similar to this Cavs team in that they were a successful team comprised of one true star, and a bunch of high level complimentary players. Martin and RJ were the perfect athletic compliments to a dishing Kidd, but if you take Kidd of that squad, neither of those players is creating his own shot or winning many games.
    He’s definitely had to work harder than Kobe. And I think its very close to what KG, CP3, and AI did. But I give Lebron more credit because those guys weren’t able to sustain their high level of success across as many seasons.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Team success I’m talking about

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Ah, Tarzan, still catching feelings over a brief conversation from months ago. Now he’s trying to transfer his feelings of me onto others with absolutely no knowledge of how often Allen and I talk outside of the comments section. The longer you carry this on, the more petty you look.

    And I think that Bron was clearly the only capable offensive player on the Cavs, but those guys were still worthy complements to his game. They had a defensive identity and operated well as a unit in that regard. But again, they obviously weren’t enough.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    More impressive than what Bron did to get to the Finals as well?
    It ain’t like Bron just started carrying his team, he’s been doing it since year 3 when they won 50 games. As he got better, and the talent around him improved, the team’s record got better. But he was getting 50 wins and getting to the second round of the playoffs with even less talent.
    Think about that.

  • http://slamonline.com AlbertBarr

    @adamfigman: you are correct that the Wiz blew it…I was about to turn the game off right before it got crazy cause I thought it was over and was totally shocked when we managed to pull off even forcing overtime. On another note, the Kings were getting some questionable techs in last nights game…we all now the story this season…but what made me laugh was that with 8:35 left in the fourth Omri Casspi and Sammy-D closed in on Rashard in the paint and one of them got called for a foul. Casspi then proceeded to give the ref a nice slap on the ass. So…you cant gesticulate into the air towards no-one without getting T’d up but it is fair game to ass-tap the ref? Hilarious.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lmfao@ enigmatic for being mad about not seeing a competitive game between trotters and generals!. What did you expect?. Were you yelling travel when they did their football schtick?. Did you tthink they should have been suspended for going into the stands?? You cant be serious. ……. myles, why you briing up my name? I just cosigned allen, and was talking about people in general. What made you think I was talking about you in any way? the longer I carry this on? U ok man?. Not enough sleep last night?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Allen – the only thing that impressed me about that finals run was his play against Detroit. Otherwise, I thought both the Wizards and Nets were overrated. But I do agree that that season is probably when he had the least support and did the most.

  • Jackie Moon

    If you + your team can get 60+ wins in the regular season, then it’s on you if your team fails to win it all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    For everybody jackie?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Myles pulled what will now be known as a ‘jukai’. Although, jukai did have a lil more reason tto go at crawford. Myles going at me here was just weird.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I made a comment. Allen responded. You made a comment about how Allen shouldnt respond to know-it-alls, which sounded pretty similar to comments you’ve made about since our brief confrontation. It’s not out of line to assume you were referring to me and its certainly not out of line for me to walk away from the situation if you want to play coy. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Youre wrong. Assumptions are always a bad idea. I didnt even read your post, I was just talking generally. Trying to transfer my feelings of you onto others without even knowing how you and allen talk?? Wtf does that even mean?. And I had forgotten what happened previously, but now I remember it was about you saying how other coaches ‘all but said’ phil didnt deserve his rings, etc. I called you out for making things up, and you never gave any examples. I had forgotten about that, so thanks for reminding me. Anyways, like I said, I didnt even read your post, let alone refer to you in mine. ………… Im far more interested in enigmatics response to my comments on his insane expectation of legit competition at a globetrotters game.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m dead serious Tarzan.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Whats funny is I saw a globetrotters game on tv the other day, and it was a decently close game. Generals kept hitting 4s.

  • DEMIGOD

    How good was that Clips Heat Game. Especially the part when Bron went over his ankle , ran miles outa bounds came in , then travelled & THEN hit a Big time trey. Ish the boys agreat player no doubt !! Props to clips for hangin on & winning it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kevin durant just said hello t-money and jtaylor.

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