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Tuesday, January 4th, 2011 at 8:35 am  |  93 responses

Post Up: Two Dope Boys

Both LeBron and DWade score 30-plus in win.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Boston 96, Minnesota 93

First, the battle: Kevin Love (12 points, 24 rebounds) won that, absolutely obliterating Glen Davis (17 points, but only 1 rebound)—or all of the Celtics for that matter—on the boards. As per the usual, dude was a beast, grabbing every lose ball in sight. Boston finished with 30 rebounds, just a few more than Love himself, and to top it off, the TWolves forward didn’t pick up a single foul. Big Baby, on the contrary, had five by the first few minutes of the final quarter.

But the war went to the Celts, who played a strong fourth and held off the TWolves in the last minute. Michael Beasley put his team on his back and scored Minny’s last four buckets, but a Luke Ridnour traveling violation in the final seconds ended any chances of an upset. It seems safe to say that Rajon Rondo (6 points, 16 assists) is now officially back, while Paul Pierce led the team in scoring with 23. But if the KLove rebounding fiasco is of any indication, the C’s are gonna need a Kevin Garnett return ASAP.

Miami 96, Charlotte 82

I’ve used this space before to write about a key stat in defeating the Heat: the total number of points managed by Miami’s Three. The goal is to keep it closer to 60, and further away from 80, if you’re to stand any chance. Well last night LeBron James (38 points), Dwyane Wade (31) and Chris Bosh (11) combined for 80 on the dot—and that just about did it. The already-offensively-shaky Bobcats played without Gerald Wallace (bruised ankle), and were led by Captain Jack (22 points), who was one of only two double-digit scorers on the Cats. The Heat have now won 18 of 19, and will host Milwaukee tonight as they attempt to keep rolling along.

Orlando 110, Golden State 90

These are two of my favorite teams to watch, but I guess I would’ve been dreaming had I actuallyy thought they’d fight down to the wire. The Magic ran away with it in the second half, as Dwight Howard (22 points, 17 boards) played well down-low and Hedo Turkoglu (10 points, 14 rebounds, 10 assists) played well everywhere to earn the victory. Can you imagine how happy Hedo is right now? It took a year and some change, but he got paid and still ended up right back where he wanted to be. The new-look Magic have now won six in a row, and they’ve got two more home games this week before they hit the road.

New Orleans 84, Philadelphia 77

Still without Andre Iguodala (who’s out for a few more games with tendinitis in his Achilles), the Sixers got a big night from, OK, nobody, as they went on to fall to the Hornets on the road. Philly shot just 34.1 percent (Evan Turner shot for 2-14 himself), and they had little-to-no offensive firepower whatsoever. It was still no runaway, and was close to the end, but a late Chris Paul basket caused the necessary separation and the Bees took it from there. New Orleans has now won three straight, and it looks like they’re trying to hold onto that playoff spot before it’s too late.

Denver 113, Houston 106

As two Western Conference squads who have certainly had their ups and down this season, this pair battled to the end, but the slightly-hotter Nuggets ended up taking it. Carmelo Anthony (33 points, 11 boards) has been getting going as of late, while Nene scored 16 and snatched 11 rebounds. The Nugs are in LA tomorrow night to face the Clips, while Houston will try to get its first win in a few games when the Rockets host the Trail Blazers Wednesday.

Utah 102, Detroit 97

Another close one. The Jazz fought off the Pistons late to get the W, needing crucial buckets from Deron Williams (22 points, 10 dimes) and a missed three from Tracy McGrady (11 points, 9 rebounds, 11 dimes) to squeeze out the win and take down Detroit at home. The Pistons haven’t defeated Utah in six years, and, well, that didn’t change yesterday.

Actual Stats: Hedo Turkoglu: 10 points, 14 rebounds, 10 assists, 5 steals, 1 three.

Moment of the Night: TMac came just one rebound from a triple-double, and was even closer—just a few inches—to hitting a game-tying three-pointer in the game’s final seconds. The below video is a full highlight, but if you click this it should take you to the exact point.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It’s a shame that the Heat can’t figure out how to win and that Dwyane and Lebron can’t coexist.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    THAT three point attempt was “just inches away”? That shot was off like a motherfu*ker. A 2 minute highlight reel from that game is the moment of the night? Damn, Adam, you hold this sh*t down every day since you took over, but you missed an opportunity for a huge comment count by not posting BETcats/Heat highlights for either the hate it would bring or the over the top love dudes would give it. That whole game was like a highlight reel.

  • Hursty

    Yay T-Mac! Nay Houston… *sad face*

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    The Heat are on fire. I think Boston is the best team in the East but the Heat are not far behind anf they’re still getting better. It wouldn’t shock me if they get to the Finals this year, because really, I don’t know how good they can be. The chemistry between Wade and Bron on the THIS team is getting better and better, as soon as they start running, they just reel of 10, 12 point runs. Incredible. That LeBron 3 from way out, while he was double teamed was sick!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’ll be honest…..The Magic, The Heat and the Celts are going to be in a war for best record in the East by the end of the season and I’m not sure who home-court matters for the most. Actually, scratch that. I DO know who it would benefit the most. It’s definitely the Magic. The Heat have played their best ball on the road and seem to have razor sharp focus away from Miami. The Celts have been there, done that, home court is not going to break their spirit. The Magic, without the benefit of stifling defense (like the Celts and Heat have) will need that extra boost from the home fans to make up for any lacking aspect they may have. AND….the Bulls may upset one of them in the 2nd round, so it’s hard to tell WHO’s going to be sitting pretty come late May. As long as the Heat are healthy (and Haslem makes his way back by late March like they’ve been whispering) they are going to be almost impossible to close out. Not impossible, but almost impossible.

  • T-Money

    As D-Wade said last night, whether the two can coexist “is not a conversation anymore”. However, I’m starting to worry about Mike Miller. He lost TONS of weight, he seems slow and he’s very tentative. I get the whole earning your minutes thing, but I think Spo has to let him get loose right now. In the grand scheme of things, he’s better than James Jones at everything (yes, even shooting) and will be needed in the playoffs. Just let him rock, Spo.

  • kuya

    hey slam fam, i just read something over the internet..

    http://gizmodo.com/5723577/

  • Mvp23100

    @Eboy
    The heat should have that top seed in the east dang near easily the celts look like their about ready to fan out and the Magic are gonna have the same problems at the end of the year from early on to much jumpshooting the heat look like their just getting started blowing out condensers and bums alike

  • Mvp23100

    *Contenders

  • T-Money

    Oh, and I’ve caught the end of the Minny-Boston game… KLove is just an absolute beast on the boards but his low post defense is insanely bad. Glen Davis was putting weeerk on him. Beas was cold blooded down the stretch and kept giving buckets to Paul Pierce but you could see that Minny doesn’t know HOW to close out games.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    If i were a Heat fan, I would be more concerned by the lack of production from the rest of the team rather than excited they won. Joel Anthony and Ilgaskus combined for 4 points, Kwame Brown was the only center we had active and he scored 5. Lebron and Wade looked really really good, but their is no reason the Heat shouldnt have destroyed us last night. 2 of our centers and our best player were injured and our bench is composed of Livingston, Ty Thomas, and various scrubs. In addtion to that Diaw didnt do much and DJ shot poorly. I was just glad we didnt lose by 20+.

  • T-Money

    I’m not a fan of giving Rondo 10 feet and daring him to shoot. First of all, he won’t. And it just makes it so easy for him to orchestrate the offense and find open looks for Ray Ray and Pierce. Worst of it, that didn’t actually stop him from getting by Ridnour.

  • MUBWAR

    The 3rd quarter of this game was such a highlight. Lebron on destroyer mode is something no opposing coach wants to deal with. Ask Silas

  • vtrobot

    that travel call at the end of the MIN/BOS game was weird. they’re calling travels for 3 steps now? wow. i missed that one. who the f*ck doesn’t take 3 steps when going in for a layup/dunk? it happens about 30 times a game. i know that jesus still would have got the block, but that should have been minny’s ball. k. love setting the record for most rebounds by an opponent in that building. great to finally get to see some of his beasting. good to see beez doing well too.

  • Boss Bailey

    The battle for the top 4 spots in the East is going to be great! (assuming all the teams will be healthy come playoff time) The Celtics are the team to beat from the East as they went to Finals last year and added the frontline depth to be more competitive on the boards and low blocks. Orlando has already made the moves they see fit to make a return to the Finals. The Heat are starting to figure it out (scary) and the Bulls are one Rip Hamilton trade away from having the most complete starting 5 in the L. These 4 teams are going to all meet each other in the 2nd round and its gonna be epic. I would personally love to see Celtics vs. Bulls and Heat vs. Magic, both going 7 games apiece!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm….the Heat did destroy the Cats….they benched the starters with 4 minutes left and the Cats scored 10 points without the Heat responding with the benches in for both teams. It was a 20 point plus differential when Bosh, Wade and Bron went to the bench.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    “In a Cadillac they call us, went from Playas Ball to Ballers…”
    I’m sorry, I have a complusion that requires me to finish spitting all OutKast lines whereever I hear them. Continue on with your regularly scheduled programming.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kevin Love is a selfish rebounder. I finally saw what T-Money was talking about. Dude at times refuses to complete a defensive rotation in order to stay in rebounding position. That’s selfish.

  • T-Money

    Yeah Allenp, and he’s not the only one. Carlos Boozer and Zach Randolph do this all the time – not showing on screens or contesting jumpers to be in a better position to rebound. The explanation is quite simple: boards get you paid way more than timely defensive rotations.

  • http://www.twitter,com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Matt Harping spent some time in the 1st half last night ragging on T-Mac, but he played a great complete game. What is Kuesters coaching philosophy? It seems to be constant iso’s or Rip/Prince/CV post-ups, and only Prince is functional in the post. DET has play-off talent (in the East).
    There is no reason the Heat shouldn’t be the 1st seed in the East by a healthy margin. Boston have/will suffer injuries, their biggest concern will be getting to the play-offs with everyone healthy (If they do they will be the toughest out Eboy). Miami’s best players are young, healthy and can play hard for 82, as Bron has showed countless times, and Wade for a few seasons.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    Did you read the recent article featured on True Hoop about why Bosh should be an All-Star? It discussed the idea that his defense has been stellar, not just one-on-one but in rotating and helping. It noted that this has impacted his rebounding some, as you just noted, and wondered if coaches would be astute enough to notice it.
    I didn’t even watch the Boston game, I just saw the highlights, but I saw numerous times where Love refused to close out on a shooter, and instead crashed the defensive glass. It was troubling.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Kevlar is notorious for this, but he feels that rebounding is a team stat, therefore there is no such thing as a selfish rebound.
    I remember watching an inteview with him where he explained this. I’m not trying to justify it, just giving you his reasoning.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Allball
    I saw that softball interview and was pissed because I wanted to hear a real discussion of his penchant for leaving his teammates out to dry.
    Love is a master media worker. He already has the media on his side against Rambis, he’s fostered the idea that he’s all about team. Hell, even when he threw a couple of hissy fits over the summer because the team wasn’t paying him enough attention, it was spun as more evidence of Kahn’s incompetence. He and Bradon Roy both have some sort of special protection or something.
    I like Love’s game for the most part, but I think that he should abandon these gaudy rebounding totals to help his team improve as a whole. Then again, he still needs to get his first max contract, so I respect that he’s made that his first priority.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    How much will the Timberwolves really improve if Love starts rotating better and stops stealing rebounds? I don’t think they will – not to say what Love does is right, i’ve literally seen him rip a couple rebounds away from his teammates, but the Timberwolves are horribe, and they did play kevin love just a measly 20MPG last season, and started this season the same way.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, in the highlights there were moments late in the game where the team needed a stop. The Celtics moved the ball to get a jumper. Instead of Love completing the rotations and closing out, thus forcing a tougher jumper or drive into the defense, he half-heartedly waved his hand at the shooter, then sprinted towards the glass. Granted, it’s impressive how he sprints to the glass on every play, most big men do not do this, but that is still a moment where a rebound is not as valuable as a closeout. Minnesota has shown that their talent allows them hang with most teams for three quarters, but when it becomes winning time, they can’t get the stops and scores to pull games out. Maybe Love is part of the problem.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Allen
    Yeah, you think it was a cop-out? I don’t know too much about that side, although I feel that Rambis wasn’t using him right last year & the begginning of this year.
    I don’t know of any hissy fits? But Kahn has been incompetent (How ever Darkos early play has made that interview with C Webb look a little different). I agree about Roy, Andre Miller is a true pro, if not for that then things could of gotten ugly (er?) in POR. I’m not a big fan of Love’s game, Beasley is my favourite MIN player, he is team first all the way this season. I can’t see Love being a max player, well in the current climate yes I definitely can, but he’s not a franchise player to me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They were doing worse with Love on the bench. So was Beasley and Darko – And I don’t think 20 and 15 can ever be a significant part of the problem. I would say their problems lie somewhere between Luke Ridnour, Michael Beasley’s own personal defensive philosophies or whatever makes him do what he does, and Kurt Rambis insistence on running an unorganized and generally ineffective offensive system

  • T-Money

    nbk: of course they will improve if he starts rotating better. there’s a reason why rambis played tolliver at the end of games. i caught on twitter that love also showed up rambis in the 1st for taking him out and openly yelled at him. i mean, we’re talking about love here but he’s not the only selfish dude on the team. beasley was all smiles at the end of the game because his jumper was on even though minny relinquished a 10 point lead. it just goes on to show that if you’re super nice with media guys, they’ll write nice things about you. that’s why kevin love is one of bill simmons’ favourite nba player and is cool with basically all nba writers.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    T-money, gotta disagree with you on B-Easy, I have watched a lot of Minny games and he can be down on himself when his offense isn’t on, but he has played hard this season. He has his shortcomings, but so far this year effort hasn’t been one.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    T-Money well obviously in atleast a small way the Timberwolves would begin to force teams to shoot a lower %. But will they win more if just Kevin Love starts rotating better? NO, they weren’t winning when he wasn’t breaking the 25 minute mark, and he obviously can’t rotate out to shooters from the bench

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    AllenP right off the bat you thought of “Elevators”, I thought of “Two Dope Boyz” –

    “This ol’ sucka MC stepped up to me…”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    You’re missing something with your argument.
    The choice isn’t between Love riding the bench and not rotating.
    The choice is between Love rotating and not rotating.
    Love can still get his points and a massive amount of rebounds if he puts in the effort to rebound. Sure, he might not get 15, and have so many 20 rebound games, but maybe the team would be better if he averaged 12 boards a game, and made the correct rotation. I certainly think so.
    Beasley is bad on defense, Love is bad on defense, Ridnour is bad on defense. Darko is okay. They all need to step up, but we typically only hear about the problems with Beasley and Ridnour.
    People (media) like Love, and he works hard to maintain that affection. He understands the game like a 10-year vet and he’s been that way since he was in high school. Dude is not selfish in the traditional sense, but he has some selfish tendencies that get masked because media folks love his style of play, and his comments after the game.
    Love was making snide remarks about Rambis and Kahn last year and over the summer on Twitter about how they didn’t seem to appreciate or respect him. People didn’t have a problem with it because they agreed that Minnesota should play him more and fawn over him, even though he was an even WORSE defensive player last year than he is this year.
    Let me be clear, I like dude’s game. I respect the rebounds, the passing, the intelligence of how he plays. But, that doesn’t carry over enough on defense, in my opinion. He makes too many decisions that cannot be explained away as mistakes for someone as smart as him. I think I’m going to write about this issue with Love and Roy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh no I think your misunderstanding what I’m saying. What Love should be doing is definitely rotating better. And he shouldn’t be sitting either, I am saying he is probably doing what he is doing (hogging rebounds, being outspoken about his own pt, yada yada)because he knows the attention is good for him personally and will help him use the media to put himself in a better position team wise when the time comes while still being able to show some gaudy numbers. Like say, Carmelo, LeBron, Chris Paul. I am saying that Love knows him rotating won’t get pointed out, and he also knows that him rotating more will not make up for the fact that his teams atrocious and will likely lose just as much either way. So he, who feels no loyalty to a team that largely treated him like an afterthought until he put up that 23 and 24 early in the season. It seems to me that Love’s minute increase coincided with his rebounding outburst also

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    “Challenged Andre to a battle and I waited patiently, as he spit and stumbled over cliches, so called freestylin’, whole purpose just to make me feel good…”
    So, I’m not an advanced stats guy, but I was looking at some of the stuff for Love. Apparently while playing his natural position at the four, he’s a 25 and 20 guy. The only problem is that he gives 24 and 10 to his opponent!
    Anybody else want to check out 82 games and let me know if I’m reading that wrong?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Ive been sying love is a bit of a looter in a riot. ……. …..Heres a different one,’i dont know where you been, I dont know what you done, we cant tell you bout nobody else but ball and bun’.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Ok, I agree with you. That’s exactly how I would describe what’s happening, and while I understand his motivation, it does bother me that he leaves his teammates out to dry consistently, while at the same time talking about teamwork and defense in interviews.
    But, he has to get paid. That’s the business.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen your reading it right, its per 48 minutes though

  • JTaylor21

    If Dennis Rodman could play great team D and stellar one-on-one defense and still was able grab 16-18 rbs consistently why can’t KLove do the same. I’m not saying that Love is in the same category as the Worm but if dude could exert all that energy closing out on shooters and still could crash the board, why can’t the greatest rebounder of this generation do the same? It’s situations like this when you remember just how great Rodman was and it’s a shame dude is not in the HOF yet.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Does anyone else see the striking resemblance offensively between Kevin Love and Brad Miller? Miller just didn’t crash the boards and was a little less mobile, but they do largely the same things, with the same strengths.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dennis Rodman may have averaged 18 rebounds a game in this NBA landscape.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I have a lot more respect for Dennis Rodman now that I see cats like Love and Boozer who can get their boards but can’t defend, when he could do both.
    “Twice upon a time there was a boy who died twice,
    and lived happily ever after, but that’s another chapter”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor, let me quote someone for you “Dennis Rodman is the best athlete I have ever coached” – Phil Jackson. You won’t ever see a quote like that about Kevin Love

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dennis did one of the best jobs defending Shaq, one on one, rarely with help, as a Bull. He basically made Shaq not dominant, especially in the 96 Conference Finals series. He gave up 5 inches and 100 lbs to the prime Diesel. THAT was gangsta.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dennis also didn’t score like Love or Boozer. In fact, he passed up shots.
    I mean, we’re basically giving Rodman a pass for rebounding and defending and not scoring, while castigating Love and Boozer for rebounding and scoring, but not defending.
    All three phases are important and if you shortchange any of them, you’re shortchanging your team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    “Nigg*s elope with ski slopes and fall like avalanches…”
    Still one of the dopest lines ever.

  • JTaylor21

    Also another amazing thing about Rodman was that in his Det days, dude used to guard MJ at certain times and during his Bulls days, he guarded Malone and Shaq. Now name another player in history that could guard an elite SG and an elite PF/C, his defensive versatility is unmatched and highly underrated.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Allen, you really think Worm needed to be a bigger scorer on either the Pistons teams or the Bulls teams? C’mon, you’re better than that. Actually, without looking, I think his scoring numbers were up a bit when he played for the Spurs since they weren’t loaded with options. But I’m just going off memory.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tarzan
    “Once upon a time not to long ago, a nigg* like me had to strong arm a hoe. Now this wasn’t a hoe in the sense of having a p*ssy, but a p*ssy having no gotdamn sense, trying to push me…”
    For all you youngsters, Bun B spit that line first before Jay Z even had one problem.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yes Eboy, I think it’s a crying shame how little he developed as a scorer. A crying shame. He had the natural talent to be a threat on offense and never showed any interest in that and instead focused solely on defense and rebounding.
    And the Rodman that guarded Jordan occassionally, was a totally different sized player than the one who handled Shaq and Malone.
    Rodman only had one year when he averaged a double double and that should have been the norm for him.

  • JTaylor21

    Nah AllenP, the Bulls nor Det never had any use for Rodman’s scoring, infact they were much better without it. I much rather have a PF that rebounded and defended like Rodman did than one that scored and rebounded but gave up just as many points on the other end. Don’t you think that the Bulls and Wolves especially would be better teams if Booz and Love gave better effort on the defensive end instead of focusing all their energy on rebounding and scoring? The wolves already have enough scoring in Beasley and so do the Bulls in Rose and Deng.

  • block

    Rodman also played against true big men that played closer to the basket, which also helped his rebound positioning. The bigs of today have to defend the pick and roll and the three point line far more often than players from the past.

  • T-Money

    Rodman during his Bulls days almost made a point to NOT score. It even felt gimmicky at times. Obviously, it never hurt the Bulls that much since they went for a three-peat. Just saying. JKidd did the same thing in Beijing. He just refused to shoot.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I used to like when Dennis would take a stray three here or there as a Bull. He made more than he missed it seemed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And just to be fair to Dennis, since I’m not sure what constitutes “good offense”, is that Dennis was a great passer, especially in the Triangle. He had a knack for it. He never bogged down the offense and made good passes from both the high and mid post when needed.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Everyone on that second three-peat Bulls squad was a great passer. Rodman, Longley, Kukoc, everyone. It was a perfect team for the triangle offense.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Not good for the Rockets to lose another close one, but it’s defintiely nice to see Carmelo playing so well, especially after the tragedy in his family… My condolences to his family.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I wonder if Toni could have thrived as a second option on another team and averaged 20, 5 and 7…something like that. His skill set was silly good offensively.

  • the wise

    This headline only makes me happy because SLAM stays down with those ATLiens…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I loved me some Randy Brown back then. He always gave them a spark. Enigmatic, you probably remember the night he banged on the Lakers in that overtime game on a TNT broadcast that changed the momentum of that game. The Lakers were kicking their as*ses and then the Bulls kind of said “fu*k it” and turned it on. It was the same game Scottie and Michael tackled Dennis after a confrontation with one of the Lakers. I can’t think of who it was though.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I can’t remember that specific game, Eboy, but I do remember Randy Brown did do a good job coming off the bench and providing some energy.
    Remember Jud Buechler? Whatever happened to that cat? Dude was like a professional volleyball player slash basketball player, and he’d just chill in the corner and drop 3′s whenever he was in the game.
    Steve Kerr was my sentimental favorite from those teams though. And Bill Wennington. Two of the best senses of humor ever.
    Kukoc put up 19, 7 and 5 on that first post-MJ-Scottie-Phil-Dennis horriBulls team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If you can find that particular game on Youtube or someplace on the internets, find it. You’ll love it. Nick Van Exel was killing that night. Just ran out of bullets at the end.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    True story – one of the worst days of my life was February 4th, 1996. The Bulls lost to the Nuggets that night. It was only the fourth loss of that season.
    Later that night my house burned down. No f*cking lie.
    Next day, I’m at school wearing some neighbor’s borrowed clothes, looking depressed as hell when my teacher pulled me aside and asked me what was wrong.
    I said, “The Bulls lost last night……oh, and my house burned down.”

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    Eboy – Toni was the second option on that MJ-less Bulls team that made it to the eatern conference finals. he averaged 15, 5, and 5 that year. He was a solid player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    LOL @ Enigmatic’s answer to his teacher.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    They would start Toni at the 4 and slide Dennis to the 5 in the Playoffs against some teams too. That was a pretty effective lineup.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Everything was secondary to the Bulls for me at that age.
    They won their 70th game that season on April 16th, 1996. My birthday is April 17th.
    I wouldn’t let my parents buy me a gift that year for my B-Day cause I told them they couldn’t top what MJ and them gave me. LOL

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Hedo is laughing all the way to the bank, then the club, then the pizza place.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enigmatic, Michael retired the first time on October 6th, 1993. It was my 23rd birthday. How about that symbolism. At that point in my life, Michael was my biggest role model outside of my father. I had tears during his press conference. I’ve learned alot in the following 17 years but you see how these things happen to everyone.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Is it just me or did we lose like 5 comments? Maybe after I post this they’ll reappear?
    This is only a test…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Andre & Big Boi are the only “Two Dope Boys” that I know of.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    It worked!
    Eboy, when I went to the Illinois High School state title game in 2009, when Marcus Jordan’s Whitney Young HS beat Jereme Richmond’s Waukegan HS (my high school, Dundee-Crown, came in fourth – what up Chargers?! DC what!) I knew MJ was in the building.
    I went to get a closer look and got close enough to see the back of his bald head from like 200 feet away before security made me bacdafucup.
    But it was like seeing Santa or some sh*t. Like, I had worshipped this dude as a kid all these years, and then at age 25 here I was, beaming at the fact I saw the back of his dome in person.
    I’ve met Derrick Rose, R. Lee Ermey, Jesse Jackson, and some other celebs but the only time I ever got nervous around someone else was when I saw the back of MJ’s head. Damn.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I feel you, Enigmatic.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Emiddleagedman cried when he was 23 cuz jordan retired? Grow some balls you baby. Ill never understand people who get extremely starstruck. Theyre just people too. You can admire them and their works without worshipping them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Knicks are in trouble. I just wanna point that out. Gallinari is hugely important for their spacing, they are a horrendous shooting team without him on the floor

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    But nbk, I thought all they needed was POW! and Fa-Fa-Felton???
    Shoutout to IAMORANGE4EVER

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    To stay above .500 prolly. But to actually keep what they’ve been doing going, they’re going to need gallo

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Uh, Kevin Love does the exact same thing that Dennis Rodman does: Box out to get into position for a rebound and ignore cutting players and get in the way of slashers. If you hate the way KLove gets rebounds, you hate the way Rodman got rebounds.
    And I know Rodman was a lockdown defender so that semi-makes up for it, but I remember so many times that the dude would let cutters run past him without even sticking a hand out just in case that rebound came down.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Oh wow, I didn’t even see that you guys got INTO a conversation about Rodman.
    Dude would routinely do the same things Kevin Love does. That’s what great rebounders do. Rodman was probably a little bit better on rotations on the offensive end but god, I remember rewatching some Bulls footage and watching Rodman just let guys run at the basket without getting a hand up, just incase that rebound fell his way.
    He was NOT a decent help defender in any stretch of the imagination. The only time he’d help is if Phil designed defenses where Rodman was supposed to help. The proof is in the help stats- the guy had springboard legs, both upwards and side to side… yet never averaged a steal or a block? It’s cause he never tried, just kept getting those rebounds and locking down the man he was supposed to lock down.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    And I’m not hating on Rodman OR Love either— this is what you give and take. The Bulls and Pistons had GREAT iso defenders who rarely needed help so Rodman never had to come out and show much. Likewise with Love, Minny is mostly with slashing midrange shooters so I don’t know why he has to clear away from the basket all the time for slashers. If anything, getting second possessions is great for this team.
    But Rodman and Love do have similar habits, outside of the fact that Rodman could lock generally anyone down and Love couldn’t stop my grandmother from going to the cup.

  • Mr. Robinson

    McGrady starting to get it going? Wow. About time. Now if he can just put some games together he’ll be alright.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Allen…… Staaaarrshiippsss and rockets, in a world that dont give a damn. …. ….. . Thats one of their best ever, imo. What yall think? ….. If u even know what I mean.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Tarzan- thats Eightball and MJG. Wasn’t Allen reffering to Bun B of UGK?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And UGK’s “One Day” is one of the best songs ever! RIP Pimp C.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Enigmatic, yes I know that was 8ball n mjg, and yes allen was talking bout bun on that post. … Cosign times a trillion on ‘one day’. …. ‘Like yesterday’ is the ish too…… ….. .. Rip young pimp aka tony snow aka sweet james jones. ……. ……….. …. These biiches love to talk shtt, im fin to pop the trunk. ………. ……… ….. …. ‘Its sad how quick it went from free to rest in peace pimp c ‘. …….. That last album they put out was a monster, a legend is gone.. ………….. …. …. ….. . ‘i shoot threes like steve jackson, say my name watch a biich reaction’.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Wow this play at Milwaukee/Miami is… odd.
    Scott Skiles literally was on the floor, on the three point line and bumped into Arroyo. I mean, Kidd bumped into Woodson when Woodson was leaning in balance, but like, I’ve never seen a guy literally ON THE THREE POINT LINE during a HALF-COURT SET.
    I don’t like that ruling. They gave Miami a technical jump shot and then made it a jump ball. Shouldn’t Miami just get it back? That means if the Bucks got the jump ball, Miami would come away UNFAIRLY with only one point.
    Sort of like the six-player flagrant that Portland had against the Celts.

  • Justin

    The thing that Rodman had way more of than any of these guys today is will. He also had a great basketball IQ. I mean, he’s drawing charges from guys like David Wingate in the Seattle Finals but he’s able to hold his ground and take a beating from Shaq without flailing around? They listed him at 6’8″ and a lot of people will say he wasn’t even that tall. You have to have a great mindset and a will to take the punishment, deal out some of your own, and do whatever it takes to get the rebounds the way Rodman did. He had great hands too, often tipping the ball and keeping it alive until he was able to grasp it. He was actually a decent enough scorer in college but as many have mentioned, there was no need for him to score on those Detroit and Chicago teams. They had enough to go around and it allowed him to focus on defending and rebounding. All that mattered to him were wins, not stats.

  • Justin

    cosign everything Enigmatic and Eboy said about everything being secondary to those Bulls teams by the way. I also had tears during that press conference and I wasn’t ashamed of it at all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Co-sign Enigmatic on “One Day.” I was trying to think of the name of that song when we started this discussion. That’s my favorite track they’ve ever done, with International Players Anthem being second because of the presence of the world’s greatest rapper.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and the ski slopes line is Andre 3000
    “Niggas elope with ski slopes and fall like avalanches, tooting like it’s cool being fooled but I can’t just sit around and watch those nose membranes flame my ends is loose and you can’t stop that rain when it starts fall…”
    Who else could talk about cats wasting their time dirtying their noses in such a poetic manner? Recognize greatness when you see it.

  • http://yahoo.com Big O.

    It’s been a while since I’ve drop some knowledge…I’ve been busy watching the good old boys from South Beach raging havoc on the entire league. I think we all know that the road to the NBA title will have to go through the Heatles and C’s. From now on I want everyone to refer to the heat as the “heatles” you haters. The C’s will wear down as the season continues but I do expect the eastern conf. finals between C’s and Heatles to go to 7 games with the heatles winning it…Orlando is a non-factor and the east coast version of the Suns when they had Amare….The Heatles have the championship in the bag…once we get past the C’s in the east then we’ll go and sweep the Spurs in the west for the championship..Now can you dig iiiit!

  • Justin

    ^^^^^ Still waiting for actual KNOWLEDGE to be dropped, not opinion. The fact that you actually like the “Heatles” name and that you end your post like you’re Booker T speaks volumes

  • http://yahoo.com Big O.

    @ Justin, why don’t u go crawl back under a rock and disappear…u loser…this is a laid back type of forum..not for grumpy old men..yeah the fact that you’re up at 2:27am in the morning responding to me creative skills..emphasize the fact that u have no life..go get a job, u loser..

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