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Friday, January 14th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  265 responses

Post Up: Westbrook Connection

Thunder PG nets a triple-double, while Nuggets down Heat.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Oklahoma City 125, Orlando 124

We haven’t seen the Thunder at their very best too often this season, but when everything is clicking, the team’s damn tough to slow down. Last night OKC was on point, led by Russell Westbrook and his 32-10-13 triple-double. Russ was attacking the hole, feeding his teammates when they found openings, hitting jumpers, and doing just about all you could ask of an NBA point guard. On top of that, Kevin Durant was red hot, hitting 13 of 17 shots from the field and putting in 36. And the icing on top? Nenad Krstic, dropping 16 points and scooping 11 boards. (Worth noting is that Dwight Howard scored 39 and grabbed 18, but you know how that goes. OKC tends to struggle with big men, and Dwight Howard is a very big man.) The Thunder were leading for the majority of the game, though the Magic threatened late, before a wild Jeff Green three and a cool Durant J shut them out. If Scott Brooks’ guys can build on this, and keep this kind of play up, there’s little doubt they could shoot up the standings in the West. Easier said than done, perhaps.

Minnesota 109, Washington 97

Most readers around here already know that Kevin Love inhales boards like one of those ridiculous eating champions does hot dogs. That’s been established. Step two? To match that rebounding ability with some scoring prowess, a prowess we saw on full display last night. Love went for 35, and even found his outside touch, drilling 5 threes. If this guy doesn’t make the All-Star Game, I’m gonna—I don’t know, be really upset, or something.

Anyway, Love’s points, rebounds (he snatched 11) and leadership propelled the TWolves over the Wizards, who actually made a valiant effort: they scored 97 points off 47.4 percent shooting from the floor. John Wall scored 14 and dished 10, but to no avail, as Love and friends were all business. Absurdly, the Wiz still haven’t picked up a single win away from their homecourt, and they’ll next look to finally break that road virginity on the 19th of January, in Milwaukee.

Denver 130, Miami 102

Here’s some breaking news: The Miami Heat ain’t too strong without that LeBron dude. Not that big a deal; I think everyone assumes they’ll be pretty screwed if he goes down longterm, anyway. The Nuggets ran all over the Heat in this one, going up big in the second quarter and bringing a 17-point lead into half. They built on that in the third, and by the fourth this one was a battle of the second (or third) units. Individual stats never mean much in contests when the starters play only three or so quarters, but it seems worth noting that Denver shot 7.7 percent better than Miami. And JR Smith, seemingly just because, played hard through the end of the 48th minute, finishing with 28 points and 8 treys. The Heat have another tough one in Chicago tomorrow night, and hopefully, for their sake, they’ll have LBJ back for that.

Actual Stats: Russ Westbrook: 32 points, 13 assists, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, 1 steal.

Moment of the Night: Gotta be the three-pointer Jeff Green hit as the shot clock hitting 00s in the close game’s final couple of minutes. Will update with video when/if that’s a possibility.

Enjoy the weekend, SLAM Fam. Anton’s got you for the next two, and I’ll be back Monday morning to recap Sunday’s excitement. See ya then.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @T-Money (when you come through) I tried to tell you they were going to get beat up last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    LeBron better be back for that Chicago game, I’ve been looking forward to that game for a long time. Russell Westbrook was very good last night but KD (I know Russ has the amazing stats) to me, was even better, he started the game of 8/9 from the field, he was en fuego. Good game for the Thunder.

  • JTaylor21

    Let’s see what all the drose fans have to say about Russ’s trip dub last night. I mean I love rose’s game but to sit there and act like both players aren’t on the same plane is ludacris. Dude is just as fast as Rose, they both are underrated jumpshooters, they are equal passers, Russ’s a better defender and rebounder while Rose’s a better scorer and a slightly better finisher. Has rose even had a trip dub yet in his career?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I love that the Thunder haven’t lost a nationally televised game all season. They are playing really good ball with the brightest lights on them. Westbrook is fierce and he’s close to taking over one of the top 5 PG spots in the L. Believe that.

  • JTaylor21

    Also JR Smith has to be rank right up there in terms of stupid players with talent. I mean dude has the skills to avg. 25ppg but he’s basically out there playing to get the next highlight reel and to be on SC Top-10. Everything he does is funneled toward doing something spectacular even when it calls for the simple play, on that 360 layup attempt, was it even necessary?
    Dude has unlimited skills but if I were his coach, I would have gone sprewell on him a long time ago.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    If the Nuggets an over the heat, why does it say Miami in this post up? it was 102-130. Denver

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I keep hearing Rip to the Bulls. Anyone else hear that?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    A triple double is what the NBA is all about, certainly the most important thing there is. What the hell man? Drose is leading the Bulls to a winning record dropping 24,8, is that not good enough? Rose is faster, stronger, more athletic a better jumpshooter (he’s shooting 38% from three this year) and his defense is improving. Rose has been winning with Boozer out (2nd most important offensive player) and now with Noah out (most important defensive & energy player). He’s been clutch and he’s most likely starting for the Eastern All-Star squad, while he’s no 1 on ESPN’s MVP list and no 2 on NBA.com.

  • JTaylor21

    Isn’t Rip involved in that Melo/Billups to NJ trade?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    JTaylor, now the trade talks for Melo have shifted to the Knicks and the Grizzlies.

  • JTaylor21

    Nice stats and all but you still didn’t respond to whether or not Russ and DRose are on the same level. You can’t soley look at PPG because one shares shots with the L’s leading scorer while the other has free reign. Also a trip dub shows that you are a great all-around player not just a scorer.

  • JTaylor21

    EBoy, word. That must mean that Mayo is on the move, YAY. How does Rip factor into all of this?

  • fizzbuzz

    I still like Rondo’s 29/18/13/6 game in the playoffs last year. And I’m seeing a typo on the Denver game?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I wish some of the Bulls experts were hanging around to let us know if they’ve heard anything. I wonder if anyone is going to make a run at Nick Young too.

  • T-Money

    Boy, were you right! They got rocked. At least Mike Miller got a better feel yesterday. His shot is not falling yet but 8 rbs and 8 assts is nice. I don’t know how much more of Joel I can take though, Denver pounded the offensive glass like crazy as soon as he entered the game! Eddie House showed a pulse, I’m sure Spo can find 7-8 minutes a game for him. I know that he’s beloved but JJ doesn’t do much for me. Eddie House is a much more proven marksman in big game situatiosn.

  • JTaylor21

    I mean do the bulls really have the assests to trade for either rip or young. They probably have to give up Deng which leaves them with a hole at SF.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    What’s LeBron, Wade, and Bosh’s combined head-to-head record versus Carmelo Anthony since they came into the league? Hmmmm

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Wade’s never won in Denver.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    T-Money: Why give House more minutes? Just give JJ’s minutes to Miller and call it a day.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Unless Mike Miller can hit a f**king shot, he needs to keep working. Eddie showed he should be getting limited minutes.

  • JTaylor21

    There’s something off with Miller’s game so far. Dude is just scared to shoot out there and probably has a good reason why; he can’t make a damn shot. I’m guessing that he’s gone something like 0-35 since his return. I mean getting him back into the rotation is going to help come playoff time because he’s the only playmaker outside of wade/bron which would benefit this team down the road. Also everytime I watch chalmers play, it seems like he sets the PG position back 50 yrs.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Rose is not faster, stronger and more athletic than Russell Westbrook. Jumpshooter is arguable, Rose strokes it better from range whereas Russ is better pulling up. Russ is a very good defender, Rose is still only plating one side of the ball despite having all the tools to be a good defender. Westbrook is a much more balanced player. Both are great players but I’ll take Russ all day! He was amazing in last nights game.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Man, Russ West gets a triple-double and all of a sudden, JTaylor want to ish on DRose, as usual while saying nothing about Miami getting beat down last night. It’s so pathetic.
    NEWS FLASH: Derrick Rose has 0 triple doubles… So what.
    JKidd has more triple doubles than LeBron who has more triple doubles than Rondo who has more championship than all 4 of them.
    At the end of the day, individual stats are cool, but rings matter. And that’s not to say that you can’t be considered a great player without any jewelry, but it’s too early to be on this Rose vs every other player in the NBA, BS.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    OKC Thunder for president. They get sh!t done.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Please forgive my rant, BTW…
    I haven’t had my coffee yet.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Russ was definitely messing around last night, but Rose can just do more, and some times I can’t define it. He is a better shooter, certain guards this year (notably J Kidd) have literally backed of Westbrook all the way into the lane. He also has more moves/counter moves offensively. It’s close, but I think Rose has to be given the edge.
    Saying that, it will be a travesty if Rose wins the MVP this year. He is at best, the 3rd best PG in the L. I would rather Bron got it, who is clearly the best at his position and a top 3 guy who ever your 3 are.

  • T-Money

    House doesn’t need to get comfortable before shooting. You can play him 2 minutes per half and see if he’s hot. Take 5 mins away for Arroyo and Chalmers. JJ should not play, I agree. But Mike Miller has to be willing to shoot.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I don’t understand why House was ever benched like he has been. Dude is always a willing participant and has intangibles. Plus his shot usually heats up pretty quickly. He may be crappy as a solo defender, but he has good anticipation and has a good motor. When Jones is struggling to make shots, Spo should immediately pull him and run House in. Until Miller can hits shots with some regularity, he needs to be kept on a short leash. The 8 & 8 was nice to see, but shooting like sh*t,when you were purported to be the best shooter on the roster is getting tiresome.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Co-sign both Eboy/T-money. House is either hot/cold coming off the bench, at least test him out. If he has it that night you will know pretty quickly.

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, don’t forget to add the “jim jones” special into that coffee.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Honest question, because I’m not trying to hate on Miami (I’m off that): Even without LBJ, should Miami have still been able to beat the Nuggets and if not, should they have at least not gotten blown out by 28?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JT21, you’ve already killed yourself for the day…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron, I’ll answer it. The Heat play like sh*t in Denver, all the time. This was not a surprise. What would have been a surprise is if the Heat were at full-strength and got beat like that. Dwyane going for 16 doesn’t help either.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Eboy – I’ve been hearing Rip to the Bulls rubies for weeks. In fact, I’ve posted my disapproval of it on here plenty times.
    I’ve also heard JR Smith, Stephen Jackson, OJ Mayo, and Courtney Lee to Bulls.
    Ultimately though I think the Bulls stand pay because they’d almost certainly have to give up Taj, and they need him as long as Noah is out.
    And I KNEW, watching last nights game, that the Westbrook/Rose debate would be ignited again on here today.
    Not surprised it was by JTaylor21 AKA “I love D Rose but _______
    is better.”
    Rose is faster and more athletic. Westbrook a better defender and rebounder. They’re both great players. Why the hell do we have to get into this again?
    Damn man, let Derrick Rose live!

  • Gman

    MR. BC you are correct. Should have been better… atleast not a blowout.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Denver is notoriously a tough place to play, and Denver always seem to play best at home, against the best teams. They beat LA at home when LA started off 7-0.
    With Miami’s team, when you have 3 guys contributing 70% or whatever it is, if one of them is missing its always going to be tough.

  • burnt_chicken

    watching jtaylor and crawford fight is like watching a Nets vs. Nets intrasquad ‘battle’

  • JTaylor21

    My fault Enigmatic, I just can’t help it. DRose fans love to downplay what Russ does and they tend to believe to has more to do with KD than anything. I mean they are both equal in skill, the only big difference being that Rose is the number one option in chicago while Russ has to share shots with KD. It’s possible that if Russ had his own team like DRose does, he could put up the exact same numbers. @BCrawford, touche.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I understand that Denver is a tough place to play for any team, not just Miami. But it goes back to something that I’ve been saying and have been routinely getting killed for, and it’s so obvious.
    The more the season goes on and the more wins that Miami racks up with Wade/Bron/Bosh all playing well, it’s becoming increasingly clear that in order for them to win a championship this year, or in any other, those 3 CAN NOT have a mediocre or even sub-par series. Ever.
    That’s a very tall order for such an unbalanced and clearly top-heavy squad to do.
    I’m sure that’ll count as hate in some people’ eyes and I’ll accept that, but it is what it is.

  • HAMMER

    Karma IS a b****. After his tweet,he’s apparently backed off from it and now he injured. “God sees everything” lebl*wjob

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And I’ll concede that a team probably won’t be able to limit LeBron’s production, but you CAN limit DWade and Chris Bosh and if you do that, you have a very good chance of beating them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    It may be hate to some, but its correct. Like I said, you get a team that has 70% of its contribution from 3 guys, and your in trouble if one of those guys slump/get hurt.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    There are two possibilities for the Heat: Play Miller 20 minutes a game and force him to break out of his playing slump, or stick with JJ. I’m really not a fan of Eddie House, bad decision making. He shot awfully in the beginning of the season and he hit like, three shots and we want to put him into the lineup? No thanks.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Enigmatic beat me too it Eboy, but the Bulls aren’t going to make a move until Noah gets back, since Gibson is their biggets bargaining chip. From what I’ve heard Hamilton and JR Smith are not realistic options. I heard OJ Mayo for a while but Memphis wanted Bogans, Johnson, Gibson, Asik, and a first rounder and the Bulls weren’t goign to give that all up. Courtney Lee and Anthony Parker are the most likely options. And JTaylor – Westbrook’s game last night is pretty close to an average game for Rose.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Everyone does realize that THIS SEASON is going to be the only one that they have this particular issue. The roster will balance itself out next year, so yes, they’re flying by their applebags with the Big Three carrying them, but not having Haslem and still nothing from Miller has also been a situation that has to be dealt with as a shortcoming, like every other team that deals with injuries has to do.

  • HAMMER

    And his team got hammered last night. “Its never good to wish bad on anyone” or something like that

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    How does the roster balance itself out next season, E?

  • tRay

    Cosign evreyone so far on the Heat and their lineup.
    Eddie House has done nothing so far so keep his a$$ on the bench. As far as the Big 3 scoring most of the team’s points BCrawford I gotta agree with you and it’s definitely not hate it’s the truth. Oh yeah and the whole DRose downplaying is getting old BUT I will say that Russ is most def neck and neck with Rose.

  • T-Money

    BC: They can sustain one of the Big 3 playing like ish, what they can’t sustain is one of the big 3 NOT playing. There is a huge difference. First off, the defense is just suffocating when they’re all in the game and even when they’re off they can draw attention and facilitate for others.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Unless something changes radically in the CBA (or if there’s a lockout), they’ll have the full mid-level exception either to get a servicable center or point guard. Either one of those spots ALONE being filled by a talented player sure’s up the roster. Losing someone like Juwan Howard is also going to free up a spot that could be afforded to a younger, more servicable player. Having an entire offseason to find roster players, instead of just filling spots like they did after they signed the 3 stars within a 6 week timeframe will make it easier for all involved in the front-office.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    You think they can sustain a bad game from 1 of 3 against Boston? Twice this season they haven’t been able to.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    That makes a lot of sense Eboy, although aren’t there supposed to be ‘radical changes’?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, they can’t sustain one of the Big 3 playing like crap. We’ve seen that already. Are their struggles earlier in the season that easily forgotten? I distinctly remember you and just about everyone else routinely going in on DWade and Bosh when they were playing horribly and Miami was losing.
    They were trying to do exactly what it is that you just said: Drawing attention and facilitating for others. Didn’t work…
    That can happen again, especially in 7 game series.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Funny how this wasn’t an issue for the last 45 days until one of them took a minor injury and missed a couple of games.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    E, that makes sense… In theory.
    The MLE was used on Mike Miller this season, am I correct? If that is eliminated with the new CBA, then what?
    Also, Juwan Howard and just about everyone else on the bench makes about a million or less, no? Even when you lose him, how much better can you get only paying a guy that much money?
    Even when talking about the NBA, the phrase “you get what you pay for” still applies.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I don’t know who you were referring to at 10:58, but it’s been my issue from Day 1, and you know this… MAN!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Heat had no MLE this season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    All I say is this…..if you don’t think Pat Riley will strengthen the roster and can make chicken sh*t our of chicken scratch, you need to pay more attention.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OK, so in theory if the MLE goes away in the new CBA, then they’re in the same boat, no?
    Like I said, I’m not trying to hate, just asking what I feel are legitimate questions, E.
    Yes, with the MLE they would be able to add a legit 4th option, but without it, they’re back in the same place.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And if you are shortchanging Pat Riley’s ability to draw talent, then you must have been in a coma for the longest since the summer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    E, its an issue now as one of them does have a minor injury. In the loss against Dallas Bron had a sub par game, he has a normal game they win no doubt right? Against Boston earlier in the year Wade had sub par games, and they lost. I feel it is a legitimate point, but you know the Heat better than me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I don’t think you’re hating at all, Bron. You’re reaching though.

  • JTaylor21

    Diesel, hysterical. Typical response from bull-sh*t fans, always trying to discreet other players just to gas up their favorite player. Y’all act like what DRose is doing has never been done before. News flash; Drose is a sane Starbury with hops.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I still don’t understand why the Heat did not go after Stoudemire instead of Bosh. JTaylor also stole his comment about JR Smith from the Jet last nite.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Jtay, that’s a fair point. Bulls fans on here do that sometimes.

  • MUBWAR

    Last night D3 broke my high. Watsup with him. At least Bosh was trying. And y does Melo wants to go to the east. I really don’t get it. We all know Miami and Chicago are gonna run this Conference for the next 5 years. Thats what happens when your wifey controls your every move…lol

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Am I?
    I’ve maintained 2 things all along:
    1. In order for Miami to even remotely have a shot at a title, they’ve got to move one of those guys in order to free up the necessary cap space to bring more balance to the roster.
    2. Solely relying on the brilliant play of 3 All-Stars for 4 consecutive 7-game series is just unrealistic.

  • T-Money

    A couple of things: 1- D-Wade AND Bosh were playing like crap at the start of the season. That’s 2 out of 3 and, yes, that would not be sustainable. With Mike Miller and Haslem healthy and productive, ONE out of 3 can have a bad game. 2- If there’s an MLE, I’d go for a center like Dalembert. 3- If there’s no MLE (and that’s a very big if) they can still close out games with Wade, Miller, James, Haslem, Bosh. Very few teams in the NBA have that much talent in their crunch time line up. 4- Pat Riley will always convince veterans to come for the vet min for the 8th, 9th, 10th spot. 5- As I’ve predicted, regular season only matters when Miami loses.

  • MUBWAR

    thank you JTaylor, i taught i was the only one with that comparison. Drose=starbury

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I think that they are giving Lebron too much credit for the Heat loss last nite. They were getting spanked like that the nite before in the first half and it didn’t help coming into Denver at 4am in over 6000ft of elevation when you are already tired as hell.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I agree with BC that being that dependent on 3 players is not the optimal situation for a contender. The Heat are in fact a bit too top-heavy. But AllBall’s point about ‘slump/getting hurt’ is really a mute point, as it goes for every contender and not just the Heat; if one of their 3 top guys get hurt, it will significantly hurt their chances. For example imagine LA without Gasol, Spurs without The artist formerly known as Tony Longoria, Boston without KG, Magic without Turk, Dallas without JET (or the aforementioned players slumping badly) ain’t no way you are winning the Championship without having your core more or less healthy and playing more or less to their ability. So it is a mute point.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    JTaylor: A sane starbury with hops is a ridiculous first-team all nba player, I’m just saying. Starbury was incredible but his mentality did him in.

  • JTaylor21

    Sammy the Bull Gravano just walked into the room. It’s because anyone who “really” watched the game saw the exact same thing, rongeur.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    T-money, are you serious? The regular season seemed relevant on here after Cleveland, and the Christmas day game.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    I think the Heat, playing in the exact mold they are playing in now, can compete for a championship. Unfortunately, with how much Spo is tweaking the roster and making terrible decisions, as well as Miller’s questionable play, I can’t see them doing it this year. So far, I said unnecessary changes would be made, and low-and-behold, Joel Anthony’s minutes have increased drastically for no reason, Miller is splitting time with JJ and Wade/Lebron’s game-rotation patterns have changed.
    Yeesh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Lz, very true.

  • JTaylor21

    Sure he wouldn’t have helped them last night. I mean it’s not like he’s shown the ability to drop 35/10/10 on any given night. What’s so special about that guy anyway, he would’ve had problems matching what miller and jones did last night.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Nobody is denying Miami’s ability to “compete” for a title given their current makeup, Jukai.
    The question is, can they “win” a title given their current makeup?

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    Bryan: Yes, they can win, but the odds aren’t in their favor. It’s like, 60/40 to the Celtics, 60/40 to the Lakers, 60/40 to the Spurs. I think they can easily WIN, I mean, if Lebron and Wade are both on for four games in a series, they can sweep.
    But unless Miller realizes he shoots 40% from the three for his career and turns it on, and Haslem comes back and takes Howard’s spot, I don’t think they will be favored.
    But I am one of the few people who actually reallllly like the makeup of their team right now. I think it’s really good and really works.

  • JTaylor21

    Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the late 90s bulls win titles the exact same way. I mean look at their numbers; MJ 29.6ppg, Pip 20.2ppg, Kukoc 13.2ppg, after that theirs a big drop off to the next guy which is the big bad Longley coming in at 9.1ppg. I’m not saying that this heat squad is comparable to those bulls squad but the formula of having two-three players as a team’s only reliable offensive threats has been done before.

  • T-Money

    BC: 1- They have a shot at the title. If they don’t, then who does besides BOS and LAL? 2- Due to injuries, their FOURTH and FIFTH best player have not been able to integrate themselves to the team yet. These guys are ESSENTIAL to the team. The vision was to have them provdide scoring punch off the bench and close out games instead of Rio and Joel Anthony. AND YET, Miami is tied for best record in the East. It’s unfair to judge the team that hasn’t played with all of its pieces yet. 3- Basically, we won’t know what this team is fully capable of until March or April. When the rotation will be: Arroyo-Wade-James-Bosh-Z with Miller-Dampier-Haslem-Chalmers off the bench. I can take that team vs any team.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Jtaylor who’s putting down Westbrook’s accomplishments??? Some of you commentors are really retarded with your Bulls/Chicago hate. You’re the one that started that crap talking baout how much Westbrook is because of one game. All i said was Rose has games like that all the time. i didn’t discredit anything Westbrook did. I’m just saying don’t put down Rose like he doesn’t have the exact same games on a regular basis. You guys are always so damn sensative.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai, winning 1 series is one thing, but you have to win 4 in order to get to a title and like I said, it’s just unrealistic that all 3 of those guys can be “on” 4 straight series because that’s exactly what it’s going to take.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    And the Bulls fans that I can name off the top of my head: me, BS, Enigmatic, airs, harry twatter…(sorry if I missed others)I’ve never seen a single one of us claim that the bulls are winning it all, that rose is definitly winning the MVP, or any of that nonsense. Its random nonregular posters who post one comment that says “Rose for MVP” and never make another comment the rest of the week. But somehow we’re “Bullsh*t fans”. As opposed to you following around Lebron from team to team like a b*tch with your finger in his belt loop. get the f*ck out of here.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    During the Lakers three peat, Kobe, Shaq and a revolving door of random third wheels scored beteen 65- 68 percent of the Lakers points. And the third wheel never scored more than 16 points a game, and was around 12 for the final two rings.
    When the Celtics won the ring in 08, their big three only scored 55 percent of the team’s points, but the fourt leading scoring after the big three only averated 10 points.
    Unbalanced teams can win championships if their main scorers remain dominant, and their defense is strong.
    Last night hte Heat played putrid defense, and refused to rebound. spoelstra played joel and bosh together against an active denver frontline and they got killed. when he played damp, damp looked good against the same front line.
    spoelstra is loyal to joel anthony. that’s a big problem. And, Bosh needs to understand that he has to be more aggressive on the glass and trying to score when either bron or wade sit. he needs to seize that time.
    but, ultimately, the heat came off an emotional game against the clippers, were without there best player, on the second night of a back to back, in denver. you all saw the stat about how often denver wallops teams on the second night of a back to back, right?

  • T-Money

    Depth in the playoffs is really overrated, if there’s one sport where being “top heavy” helps it’s in basketball where there’s only 5 guys on the court and you can play your starters 40+ minutes in the playoffs. Teams barely play 7 guys once they get to the Finals. Funny how the Lakers run their starters in the ground in the playoffs and that doesn’t concern anybody. Doc Rivers plays Rondo, Allen and Pierce for 42-44 minutes in the playoffs and that doesn’t concern anybody (I even think Rondo played the full 48 once).

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    I’m sorry Bryan but i’m confused, The Bulls that your a fan of, made 2 different 3-peats to titles where they had to have 3 players playing well for 4 straight series. So why is it so unrealistic that it happens again?

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    Bryan: No, it’s going to take them to be on four series for the Conference Finals and NBA Finals.
    They can win with 2/3 for the other series. I don’t think the Bulls (no offense) or Orlando will pose THAT much of a threat that they’ll have to get massive production out of all three of them.

  • JTaylor21

    Ay looks e-thuggin is still in style, no need to get personal on the web. I watch the bulls a lot, so it’s not like I hate them or something. I’m just saying that y’all need to give Russ his props and realize that dude is on the same plane with DRose.

  • T-Money

    Allen: My only legit concern for Miami is Joel Anthony, the rest is just noise. For the life of me, I don’t understand what Pat and Spo see in this guy. To me, he’s nothing more than a situational player you throw in there if (and only if) a quick big man has been killing you. Under normal circumstances, he should never touch the court. Denver started POUNDING the glass as soon as he entered the game. I’d consiver activating Big Cat and have him rotate with Z and Damp. Joel gotta go.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    moreover, the bulls won in 98 despite Pippen being hobbled with a bad back, and Jordan carrying the load.
    And the Celtics won in 2008 with ray allen playing like utter crap for most of the playoffs.
    Predictions are a funny thing. Personally, I think the Heat, as currently constructed, could possibly win a championship this year.
    Not saying they will but saying it’s quite possible given their overall talent. They are no different from every championship team of the past 10 years except Detroit. Every other team was very, very dependent on three players to win games, and struggled to win when one of those three struggled. But they often still managed to win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Well he never has the exact same game, as he has 0 trip dubs in his career, although to me he is the better player.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, I hear you… But honestly, it doesn’t change the fact that Miami is STILL going to be solely dependent on Wade/Bron/Bosh. I mean, are you SERIOUSLY putting all your eggs in the playing basket of Mike Miller, Erick Dampier, Mario Chalmers and Udonis Haslem?
    If so, then you’re going to be one sad “fan” when it’s all said and done.
    And every team with a legitimate shot at competing for a title has or has had some of their core pieces missing time due to injuries. It’s part of the game and it happens every year. Yet, in spite of that, no one has doubted or has been unable to “judge” that teams ability to compete for a title. How does the same thing NOT apply to the Heat?
    But this convo is getting circular now and this is where I make my exit. I’ve made my points and you’ve given your counter-points. Like you said, we’ll find out in due time.

  • T-Money

    I’ll go a step further, not only do I not understand why he is in Miami’s rotation, I’m not sure I fully understand why he is in the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Remember we had this convo about Keith Bogans. Coaches like players who provide the same thing every night, and certain coaches prefer defensive skills to offensive skills.
    Remember last year Eboy remarked how unfair it was that Beasley got pulled for defensive errors, while chalmers didn’t get the same treatment for his screw ups on offense.
    Spoelstra overvalues joel’s defensive abilities and it blinds him to the dude’s horrible rebounding, and putrid offense. But, some of that is on bosh. He’s played with non-rebounding centers before. He needs to step it up.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I knew that those championship Bulls teams would come up sooner or later…

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    I said it a while ago that’s bad that The big three are combing for 80% percent of Miamis points. I agree with Eboy though that this may be the last year that the Heat have problem with there role players and will probably be the The top team of the east and the future.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I’m not E-Thugging Taylor. I’ll tell you anything I’m typing to your face. I don’t need to talk sh* online to feel tough. And I really didn’t think I was talking sh*t. I just stated facts that you make fun of loyal fans to a team while you follow around a single player from team to team like a 4th grade girl with a crush. I’m not understanding why you keep asking me and other Bulls fans to give Westbrook his props when no one has talked sh*t about him. YOUR the one that’s on here talking sh*t about Rose as soon as Westbrook has a good game. YOUR the one taking the conversation there.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m with T-Money on this. @AllenP, you said that Spo keeps him in because of his defense/shot-blocking but umm how many times did Lawson waltz into the paint and finish without getting sent back once. I mean come on, if you’re supposed to be a shot-blocker, there’s no way a freaking midget’s supposed to have a picnic in the paint like that. I think it’s because of that foolish 20mill contract he signed in the off-season, so Riley’s probably prodding spo to play him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    We don’t hve to include the Bulls. Let’s just discuss the championship Lakers teams and the Celtics most recent championship team.
    The Lakers were overly dependent on a big two, and yet managed to win three in row.
    The Celtics had a big three, but Ray Allen was absent much of hte 08 playoffs.
    I remember people openly wondering if the Celtics could win it all if Allen continued to play like crap. It was part of the reason why every series they played went to seven before they crushed the Lakers.
    Crawford, the biggest problem is that you don’t trust LeBron to be as dominant as Kobe or Jordan, and you think that a team can easily remove Wade and Bosh from the offense. I disagree.
    I think the biggest issue is the HEat’s effort and defense.
    Every game they’ve lost it’s been because of a lack of effort and defense. It’s been because they thought they could “turn it on”. It’s a problem many, many teams in the league have. Miami, with it’s talent, can overcome that against weaker teams because when they turn it on, it’s enough most times. They can’t do that against the best.
    We saw the Heat play at their full effort for an entire game, and excute on defense only once this season. that was against the Lakers. Other than that, they’ve struggled to maintain effort and defensive execution. That will determine if they win a ring.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Myles has said this before and I’d be remiss if I didn’t bring it up since everyone likes to use MJ’s Bulls when talking about the Heat…
    Chicago, with MJ, didn’t have any REAL competitors. Meaning, there wasn’t a team out there who had a realistic shot at beating them during their title runs.
    While things will undoubtedly change in few years, this year, Miami has at least SIX teams that can knock them off in a 7-game series.
    Admittedly, the homer in me counted the Bulls, but removing that bias, there are still 6 teams that can beat Miami in 7-games: Boston, Orlando, LA, San Antonio and Dallas.

  • T-Money

    BC: 1- Not sure I understand your all eggs in one basket comment. I’m putting my eggs in the Bron/Wade/Bosh basket! Miller-Haslem-Dampier-Chalmers is a VERY GOOD bench mob to me. Comparable to any bench out there. 2- The reason you’re able to judge other teams like LA and Boston is because we’ve seen them at 100%. We’ve never seen Miami at 100% yet. ALLEN: But see that’s the thing Joel is good defensively only against certain type of bigs like STAT and David Lee. Guys like Nene, Bogut, Bynum can eat him alive. I think he’s an overrated defender. Never mistake activity for achiement. (and Bogans is killing Chicago, btw)

  • JTaylor21

    Bryan, my fault. I’m a huge DRose fan, so I respect what he’s doing but Russ needs some love too. @BCrawford, why not the 90s bulls? I mean they are the perfect example of a team that relied on 2-3 players to get most of their buckets. Do you have a counter argument to that statement or is the jim jones potion kicking in already?

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    BC: My math is fuzzy, but that is five.
    I agree with what yer saying to a point, Bryan, but I think you’re blowing it out of proportion: the bench is weaker than some of those contenders cause their three main stars are stronger. Hypothetically, it should balance out.
    Still, a bench of Dampier, Haslem, Miller and Chalmers really isn’t that bad of a bench.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Counter is at 12:13, JT… read up.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    Also, they’re still using Howard/Anthony/JJ over Haslem/Dampier/Miller. This team is not as good as it could be cause Spo is crappy with his rotations.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Clerical error, Jukai.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    I agree with you on his overall abilities. I don’t think Spoelstra agrees with us. We are random complainers on the internet and he’s the coach, thus the problem.
    I heard last night that they said Damp can’t play big minutes because of his knee, so that explains some of it.
    Really, the team misses Haslem, and they miss Miller as a scorer. Remember I said earlier this year that the folks in Minnesota also complained that he wanted to be too much of a do everything guy instead of filling the role of scorer as well.
    But you watched the game. Their defense was horrid from the jump. They were getting killed on the glass by Melvin Ely. That’s an effort and execution issue. Spoelstra said last night that he thought the team had the same problems the past seven or eight games, btu still managed to win them.
    It’s way, way too early to say how this Miami thing is going to perform in the playoffs, but I still maintain that having a dominant Big Three is not an anomaly, but rather the norm. Crawford is arguing that a team can take Bosh and Wade out of the game in a series. I’m not totally convinced about that, but I understand why he made that comment. It’s about Spoelstra recognizing who to attack teams on offense, and how to get his team to commit to effort and execution.
    And I really don’t think Orlando beats Miami is a series. And until we figure out what’s up with KG, you can’t really tout Boston.
    So, right now, they can win. It won’t be a cakewalk, but they can do it.

  • T-Money

    These were LA’s rotation players after Shaq and Kobe for their third title: Robert Horry, D-Fish, Rick Fox, Devean George, Brian Shaw and Samaki Walker. Therse are Miami’s rotation players after Bron and Wade: Bosh, Miller, Haslem, Arroyo, Z, Dampier, Chalmers. If Miami doesn’t win this year, it won’t be because of a lack of depth or because they’re too top heavy. Newsflash: your superstars have to kill it in the playoffs for you to win a championship, that’s why they’re superstars. That’s what Shaq and Kobe did, that’s what Dream did, that’s what MJ and Pip did, that’s what Pierce, KG and Ray Ray did. That’s what Kobe and Pau did. That’s what Bron and Wade will need to do.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    I know, bro, just being a d-bag like usual.
    In my mind, championship contenders go: Boston, Spurs, Lakers, Heat, Magic, Mavs, Bulls. But ANY of them could win if the stars align, and I think those top four teams have a near equal chance of taking it all (as I said, 60/40).
    The problem is, some guys (NOT NAMING ANY NAMES ALLENP) were talking about 70-wins and sweeps in the playoffs. So saying that a team with Lebron/Wade/Bosh with only a 40% chance to beat a team in a seven game series seems odd. But that’s because, as you said, their bench is weak.
    I don’t think it takes them out of major contention status though.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    T-Money: In fairness to BC, the championship road for that Lakers team was a lot easier. I mean, they played the Nets in the finals for chrissakes.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @DIESEL: I’m also a Bulls fan. Happy to have Rose even though he is too much Monta and not enough Rondo for my liking. He is playing great and I find him very exciting to watch, I still however have my doubts about him leading them to the promised land – not talking about this season as the Bulls = a light version of the last couple of years Jazz team so they are not getting past the second round unfortunately. Rather looking into the future where hopefully the Bulls can construct a real contender. Despite me being a Bulls fan, I still find Westbrook the more balanced player compared to Rose. But not to be called a hater by some whiney Chi-town fans, let me underline that I like both players.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The Heat right now are the ONLY team that has just 3 guys averaging double figures in scoring. Not only that, but their averages are 20+.
    Every other contending team has AT Least 4 guys in double figures and in some instances, 5.
    I can’t check right now, but if someone can, go back and look at those Bulls squads to see if just MJ and Pip were the only double digit scorers by average.
    I’m curious…

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    If we are pointing out weaknesses or teams and why they don’t have a chance at a title, then why in the world are we including San Antonio as more likely to win a CHAMPIONSHIP then Miami? They got swept by phoenix last year, made no significant, championship caliber changes, but yet everyone has them as more likely to win then a team with 3 of the top 15 players in the league, does that make sense to ya’ll? San Antonio has Dejuan Blair, Matt Bonner, and Tiago Splitter as their bigs next to Duncan. What in the world are they gonna do against Gasol, Bynum, and Odom? What happens when TD gets in foul trouble? How many times in history has a 3-point specialty team won a championship? Is it possible that Popovich recognized they aren’t actually a “championship level” team, so he knew the only chance they had was to steamroll through the regular season too pick up as much “spurs are back” intimidation factor as he can to give them as much of a shot as possible?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor, I’ve stated many times on here I love Westbrook’s game.
    I’ve stated many times on here I love Rondo’s game.
    I’ve stated many times on here that in my opinion, CP3 and DWill are at the top of the PG ladder, with Westbrook, Rondo and Rose nipping at their heels.
    All three of them, not just Rose.
    Jason Kidd, Steve Nash and Chauncey Billups are there somewhere too, they just don’t feel like climbing ladders anymore cause they’re old. LOL
    Derrick Rose fans are fiercely loyal to him, but those that are Rose fans AND know the game give other PG’s their props too.
    I’m proud of the fact that most Rose fans can debate with other people about other PG’s without resorting to the usual “_____ sucks” or “f*ck ______” that Kobe/LeBron debates always devolve into.
    Diesel – Let’s be really real. The game Westbook had last night cannot be described as a typical Rose game because Rose, to my knowledge, has never had a triple double.
    He can put up 30-plus pretty easily these days, and his assists numbers have gone up, and he’s had some double-digit rebounding games, but he hasn’t put it all together like Russell did so you can’t really say that’s a typical Rose game.

  • JTaylor21

    Are y’all telling me that the Bulls had it easy during the 90s run? I mean come on dun suns, they had to go through a very tough knicks squad to get to the finals, a very good magic squad, an underrated pacer team and a rugged heat squad, then in the finals they faced probably the best team to not win a chip in the Jazz twice and one of the most talented teams of all-time in the 96 sonics. To sit there and say that the bulls had easy as a way to make your case for why Mia won’t win the whole thing is foolish on both angles.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Lz – i can respect your stance. I even respect JTaylor’s that westbrook deserves love. Man I respect anyone’s feelings on any players. My whole point is why are we always ranking dudes and pinning them against eachother? Why can’t Westbrook, Rose, and Rondo just be good individual talents? Why does soemone always need to say blank>blank after every good performance. It gets old.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Why does everybody has to prove how good there favorite point guard is by comparing him to Rose. that within itself tells me That if Rose aint the best he damn sure is up there with the best.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @jtaylor the difference between what Marbury And Rose is that Rose is Winning. I dont disagree though that there games is similiar, I just dont like the losers that compare him to francis when the only thing they have in common is crazy hops.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    The MJ lead Bulls’ teams had plenty of tough competetion, of the top of my head: Ewings’ Knicks, Drexler’s Blazers, Barkley’s Suns, those Jazz teams who where one of the best ballclubs never to win a Championship (beat Shaq’s LAL on the regular). The only not elite teams MJ met in a Finals was Magic’s LAL (falling off) and the Supersonics. The Bulls’ adversaries where way tougher than the ones LAL played for example: Sixers, Nets, Pacers, Magic only Boston and Pistons was at that level and they beat LAL two out of 3 Finals series.

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, didn’t I already state that the bulls only had 3 players in double digits (MJ/Pip/Kukoc) the rest were below double figures and the highest being Longley coming in at 9 ppg. See it can be done, having 3 players scoring the bulk of a team’s points can win you a chip. @Enigmatic, that’s fair. Do you think it’s a bad sign that the bulls keep on losing to bad teams?

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Diesel – There would be no such thing as good if there was no bad. There would be no winner if there wasn’t a loser. There can’t be a best without a second best. There will always be comparisons, its how the human brain works, pining for anything else is a pipe dream

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Enigmatic – I’m always guilty of overstating or generalizing to prove my point on these threads. I can admitt that. My point is that Rose averages 24 points, 8 assists, and 5 rebounds. That’s damn impressive. I’m with you in that I like Westbrook’s game. What set me off is Jtaylor saying “let’s see what the Rose fans have to say” like we would need to say anything. Rose is averaging 24, 8, and 5! Two good SEPERATE performances. Why even bring that sh*t up is my point.

  • T-Money

    Jukai: LAL, BOS, MIA, SAS, ORL, DAL. Chitown is not real… yet. BC: The Bulls had very unbalanced scoring, so did the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. And, as I was telling you, Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem are those two other guys that can (and have throughout their careers) score in double digits. Scoring is the last thing I’m worried about with this team. Interior defense and rebounding are much, much bigger issues.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    nbk – I’d agree with you for the first 30 conversations on Rose, Rondo, and Westbrook that we’ve had on these threads. At the 31st one, I think everything that needs to be said has been said. @JTaylor – you didn’t ask me, but yes it worries me that the Bulls keep losing to bad teams. Bulls were alway notorious for their inconsistency and it looks like that hasn’t changed. Which sucks because I thouhgt Thibs would have changed that. Bulls are playing tired. They’ve had the most back to backs so far. They’re on a 8 games in 12 days stretch. What makes me angry is that they could rest some starters if they would just jump out to early leads, but they don’t, so their starters are in their in the 4th struggling till the last minute and it carries over to the next game. I think Bulls will struggle all the way up to the All Star break.

  • http://nicekicks.com Meloman2.0

    @ Eboy: coincidentally, the streak of wade never winning in Denver ties in to the fact that Melo came in at the same time. Melo definetely ownes his head to head matchups with Bosh, Bron and Wade. Its just more impressive that all three joined forces and they still cant win

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    As a Bulls fan (Drose is also my fav. player) I’ve always loves Russ, I think he’s really good, great teammate, plays angry (I love that) he’s really fast, rebounds extremely well for a Guard, just like Rondo and Kidd back in the day, he has a really nice pull up J from midrange but Rose, to me, is just better. Rose is special, not that Westbrook ain’t special, but I feel Rose could potentially carry a team to a championship if the pieces are there, with OKC I still see KD closing the deal as far as Championships go. I know it’s way too early and Miami is about to start dominating the NBA but Rose is making amazing jumps every year and in 5 years, when he’s in his prime 27, I think he will be the best player in the L.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Haha that sounds logically sound to me Deisel. – John Wall will be in that conversation as early as next season, its all going to go through another cycle with that kid

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Of course it’s a bad sign the Bulls keep losing to bad teams.
    It’s also a bad sign they lose a lot on the road.
    It’s also a bad sign they play like sh*t in the 1st quarter more often than not.
    But I think all those are correctable.
    I understand WHY Thibs like starting Bogans, but I wish he would just try starting Brewer at the 2 just so he can see if maybe that might correct the starting out slow problem.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Diesel, I think you brought up a very good point in that the non-regular commenters on here will post the “Rose 4 MVP!” or “Rose > Westbrook” comments or whatever, and then us regulars who are Bulls fans end up having to “battle it out” with those who take offense to what the non-regulars posted.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    I said they were going to win 70 and sweep the playoffs?
    Really? Find me the comment.
    I said that Van Gundy’s comment wasn’t ridiculous. And, that if the team played up to its potential it could win 70 games.
    I also said, in the same comment section, that outcome was highly unlikely because the players were unfamiliar with each other and that lack of chemistry would lead to losses.
    From where I’m sitting, that’s a perfect assessment of the situation. You got a problem with the logic, lay it out.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    nbk – You think so? His run of injuries so early has me worried.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Bryan Crawford, you act like every NBA championship team has to have all-star caliber 4th and 5th options… Mike Miller and Haslem are more than good enough 4th and 5th options, especially taking into consideration their 1st and 2nd options are the 2 best players in the NBA. You are going TOO systematic and formula based into this. Miami does have role players who can carry the load like a Baby Davis for certain games when one of the big 3 are off. And the Chicago Bulls teams, are you seriously saying their were no other teams in the league at the time that were legit contenders that had a chance at beating them? You continue providing the most idiotic arguments on here.

  • http://sfdkjlf.com Jukai

    Allen: Sorry, instead of saying that the Bulls were going to win 70 games, you said Van Gundy’s comment about how the Bulls were going to win 70 games wasn’t ridiculous. Toooootallly my bad.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Sprained ankle, and Tendinitis. I’ve had tendinitis in my knees since I was 14, and have Chronic tendinitis in my shoulder, I understand his injuries and I know they won’t hamper his career until much later. So I am not just going to assume he is more injury prone then anyone else, and his consistently earning around 15 and 10 with that horrific supporting cast leads me to believe he will very shortly enter the conversation as one of the better PG’s in the league. Also he is a better defender as a rookie then any of the “best pg’s” were, the only one that’s even close was Russell Westbrook IMO

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    I would love to a basketball internet blog with Eboy, BC, JTaylor, and Allenp. We’d call it “The View” and it would just be us making insane statements and then yelling at each other about those statements the entire time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    One of us would wind up travelling to someone’s hometown and mur*ering someone.

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    Yep.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I would keep The Nerve on retainer to keep me out of the clink.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    nerve shol b ta editar

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    THAT was funny!

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    Could you imagine editors notes?
    (Ed note: dat nukka fokin crazy an rasist)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Is it nukka or nicka? We would need t-shirts: “Jukai is my Nicka!” “Crawford is my Nukka!” “Eboy is my Nicka!” The possibilities are endless.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL now I really wanna see y’all do that blog.
    How can I get down?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “Enig is my Nicka!!!!!!” Hopefully that is viewed with joking eyes today.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, 2.50 and a jawbreaker would do or maybe a dollar and some envelopes?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Wouldn’t last a week.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    A week? How about a post.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    There is a difference between could and would.
    In my mind, the difference is huge.
    Saying a team has the talent to do something, and then saying they probably won’t do it because of other issues makes perfect sense to me.
    It’s like saying J.R. Smith has the talent to be a 23 ppg scorer and a legit second option, but will probably never get their because his mind ain’t right.
    It’s like saying Kobe has the skillset to play six more years at a high level, but probably won’t because he’s never concede to being the second option on the Lakers and playing as such.
    It’s like saying the Bulls could be legit title contenders if Boozer played defense, but saying it won’t happen because he has never played defense.
    It’s like saying Blake Griffin could be the greatest power forward of all time, but probably won’t because Donald Sterling’s effed up karma will come back to bite him in the butt.
    It’s acknowledging the existence of a possibility while explaining why the poassibility is unlikely.
    Maybe that’s too nuanced a point of view for this site these days. So maybe I should make some statments more in line with the general commenting flow.
    “Allen Iverson is the greatest little man every anyone who disagrees should be shot and dismembered for being stupid.”
    “American white people typically suck at basketball and Kevin Love is a bigger anomaly than a black U.S. President. He’s the Barack Obama of the NBA.”
    “Derrick Rose is so obviously better than Westbrook anyone who thinks differently must be mentally retarded.”

    Is that better?
    And for those who didn’t get my premise, I don’t believe any of those things, but that seems to be the way to comment these days.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    nbk – so those injuries shouldn’t hamper his potential either then? I’ll take that back, if those were definitely his injuries (you know what teams can be like with injury details).

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Would be very interesting though especially if uncensored.

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    Actually, can we start calling Kevin Love the Barack Obama of the NBA?

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    No they won’t he will just have to ice more often and play through pain a little more then the average player, it won’t hurt his athletic ability as long as he stays flexible and rehabs consistently (R.I.C.E. being the best thing for him after games). And given that he’s a rookie, on a team with no playoff aspirations this year, I highly doubt they would play him through a serious injury, or hide anything from the public. THere is no benefit to that, so I take them at their word

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    I agree that they would not play him through injury, but as he is being billed as the saviour of their franchise (and even the new A.I), I don’t think that if there were serious injuries it would be public information.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    But he wouldn’t be playing. Its just connecting the dots

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    lol, very true.

  • the nerve

    fuuk yall.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    ^ THAT’S the t-shirt right there!

  • the nerve

    Jus playing. lol eboy wat u know bout tha klink playa? lemme find out u gat bodeez!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    C’mon Nerve, I was trying to get you a gig, kid!

  • Max

    I’ll take Kevin Love over John Wall

  • the nerve

    i knew yall muthafukkas like seein me up here. where da hell mi NICKA MAN crawfit at?! ayo eboy dem n!ggas at slam BEST gimme some work. so what idunno how 2 read n shtt.

  • Max

    ^The Nerve, Way to represent your ethnicity…

  • HAMMER

    Don’t know who mentioned this,but I am a bulls fan. I have posted “Rose 4 MVP”. Why? Cuz I truly believe he has as a good a chance as the other mvp candidates. And that’s just not me talking I’m sure. Just ask the entire UC crowd. Which the majority r die hard bulls fans. And I don’t post regulaly either. Why? Cuz unlike a lot of peoples here,I got a dam life. A job and a fam that I gotta provide 4 and spend time with. Not only that,but its obvious a lot of people here luv 2 instig8 and bait others n2 their stupid,non-sensical,so-called deb8′s. I personally am not gonna waist my time and bother responding 2 them idiots. I’ll let ya’ll others “battle it out”. That’s ur guys’ decision. And don’t tell me I am not a die hard bulls fan. That’s my team since I was 11 way back n ’91. Stuck w/them thru thick and thin. Thru the mj/pip days thru the kornel david/cory benjamin days. Don’t get it twisted people and make @ss-umptions

  • the nerve

    ^way 2 represent yours. whats mine anyway? this gonna git reel good

  • the nerve

    hammer gtfoh then

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I hear ya, Hammer. But around here pulling a Jukai is frowned upon.

  • HAMMER

    Ok enigmatico. So u expect me 2 what? Duke it out w/sum idiot and get n2 a “de8″ over some bs that I and many others know is just mierda 2 begin with? Sorry. Call me a jukai then. If ya’ll have a need 4 a d*ick pissing session then that’s ya’ll perogative

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I really hate the fact that text message speak has taken over the English language.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Calma, hermano. Mira que no ves que acabas de hacer la misma cosa que dijiste que no tienes tiempo para hacer – tener un debate con alguien?
    Pero en serio, te entiendo. Tal vez si es sierto que nomas tengo mucho pinche tiempo y seria mejor si nomas sigo trabajando duro en el jale.
    Oh, and for the non spanish-speaking crowd:
    TRANSLATION – Ball.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    “Got hot tonight. About the broad, you know?”
    (Detective Mel Bernstein – Scarface)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Oh, and when you type “d*ick”, I really don’t think you need the asterisk after all.

  • http://skldflf.com Jukai

    Hahaha what’s pulling a Jukai, again?

  • HAMMER

    I am calmado man. Ademas,I don’t consider u un idiota. I said deb8s CON idiotas. Big diff man. U raise good points n ur posts and I can respect that. Its just the others that r cocineros. U know? Pot stirrers

  • the nerve

    dont fuk w/jukai dat n!gga is god yall

  • the nerve

    hammer is god too. yall nickaz is god.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    A comment hit-and-run. Nothing personal, Jukai. Just thought that was some funny-ass ish.
    It’s all good, Hammer.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I love how people call me out, trying to get me to joust with them
    AllDay, nice try. I see you, son…

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Muito chique Sr. Enigmatic, acho bem engracado que voce comencar escrever em espanhol só por que o ‘MARTELO’ escrevou um palavra em espanhol. Mas tudo bem, voce e poliglota, eu sou poliglota nos somos intelligentes e beeeeem chique… (sorriso sarcastico)…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m just surprised AllDay wrote a comment on here that’s not b*tching about the quality of the Post Up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If you guys can post in Spanish, maybe I can bring back BET’s hangman game.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I have no clue what language LZ posted in, but it ain’t spanish.
    Portugese?

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Eboy, just to clear it up – the point of my post (in Portuguese) was that I found it quite funny that Enigmatic wrote a whole comment in Spanish just because HAMMER used one (1) Spanish word, that being a word that most people who don’t speak Spanish even know. So with a sarcastic smile I just commented that we where both linguists extraordinaire and very intelligent.

  • the nerve

    ^this fukin guy

  • HAMMER

    I think a lot of people know what mierda is lz,if that is the word u were referring 2

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I only saw mierda too, but I know more Spanish than I let on in real life.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    HAMMER, that was exactly what I was trying to say.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    There was also Enigmatico

  • the nerve

    4 a dude who got this xtraord..shtt goin on his writing damn near worse then mine

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    nerve, we can’t all be from the clink

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Eboy, I knew you spoke Spanish. I think I remember something about a latina wife or something…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And my wife is white. Must be why my english is so great!
    Kidding, y’all.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And since it’s Friday and for once we’re not at each other’s necks, let’s do something silly a la Eboy and his “name the NBA Paul” game.
    Name an NBA-siblings duo, past or present.
    I’ll start.
    Mark and Brent Price.

  • the nerve

    gerald n nique

  • the nerve

    sam n jay vincent

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Joey and Stephen Graham

  • the nerve

    avery n tha microwave

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Jon & Brent (Fathered by Rick)

  • HAMMER

    Haha! Horace and harvey grant

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Horace & Harvey (Twin bonus)

  • the nerve

    reggie n cheryl

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    The Bropez’s (Robin and Brook)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The nerves killing it!

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Anybody know if Dirk is playing in tonights game against San An?

  • the nerve

    jason n jarron

  • the nerve

    kareem rush and jaron

  • the nerve

    wes matthews n popz

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    left and right

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I got Creole in my learned language game too, Lz.

  • the nerve

    dan n dolph

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Blake and Taylor Griffin

  • the nerve

    karl n cheryl

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oliver Miller and Roscoes

  • the nerve

    luke n bill

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Ron and Ronnie Brewer (not sibs, but father/son bonus combo with a cool point kicker for playing for the same franchise)

  • the nerve

    yall aint ready

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    MJ and Kwame (illegitimate son bonus)

  • the nerve

    candace n tony

  • the nerve

    rodney mcray. 4got hia brotha name

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Scooter

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Scooter

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Scooter

  • the nerve

    joe n tha dude dat b rapin hos

  • HAMMER

    Ed and charles o’bannon

  • HAMMER

    Ed and charles o’bannon

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Manute Bol and Muggsy Bogues

  • the nerve

    preciate it bryan

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Eboy: Creole sounds very cool… But first on my learning-agenda is Spanish right now.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Yup…

  • the nerve

    so u convinced i got SOME bball naahlige?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “I can teach you how to speak my language, Rosetta Stone”
    Man, I hate Drake. But that damn song be on every time I play 2K11.

  • HAMMER

    Spanish and portugese very similar lz. I did understand bout half of ur comment. Especially when u mentioned my name,Martelo. Its Martillo n spanish. So,yeah. Very similar

  • the nerve

    fuggit wes n chuck

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    You all know that our brother just annihilated this thread, right?

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    I’m more convinced that you actually know how to spell properly and use complete sentences.

  • HAMMER

    I think u can learn it pretty quickly,n my opinion. Spanish is 1 of the easiest languages 2 learn

  • the nerve

    u think so?

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    No doubt in my mind….

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    HAMMER, yeah I know I could also understand most of Enigmatics Spanish post earlier and only have trouble understanding spoken Spanish, when it is from Spanish nationals – they speak crazy fast. In South America/Mexico I have little trouble understanding them. My problem is that my Portuguese is not perfect yet, but its getting there. And I am afraid that I will end up speaking a mixture of the two (‘portuanhol’) if I start learning Spanish now. Many foreigners do that and end up understanding both languages but not speaking either fluent. But thx for the advice anyways.

  • the nerve

    kiki n ernie

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Willie & Shandon

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Eugene & Purvis

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Audie & Sylvester

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Jim & John Pax

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Larry & Sue… OK, not really.

  • the nerve

    rex chap n his father. 4got his name too

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Kevin and Stan Love

  • tRay

    Chris and Shannon Brown

  • tRay

    Dale and Steph

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What the f*ck. I’ve had like four comments never show up so far.

  • the nerve

    damien n gerald. darius n jerry rice. no bball

  • tRay

    candace and anthony parker

  • tRay

    andrew bynum, zach randolph, al harrington and Leo(aka the teenage mutant ninja turtles)

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    Magic game was top notch, really enjoyed it and KD is nothing but smooooooooth….it certainly means something when Reggie Miller calls you ‘smooth and silkyyyyyyyy’….loved the ending when the magic nearly took it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Whatever happened to Daruis Rice? I remember watching him in the McDonald’s game thinking he was the next KG.
    After leaving Miami, nothing.
    Dude shoulda went pro after high school when he had all that buzz.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL @ tRay – I’ve always thought that about Al Harrington too! Dude straight up looks like something outta TMNT

  • the nerve

    but nah bryan i jus b copying off muthafukkas when my shtt come out lookin legit. if not a n1gga gotta work hard n sh!t ya dig

  • tRay

    Enigmatic me and homies were watching a Denver and LA game and I said that and everyone was ROFL

  • HAMMER

    No prob LZ. And just so u know,its not that spanish is spoken fast or anything. It just sounds fast. But really its not. But,hey. Wish u luck man

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Cool. I didn’t know that will have to pay better attention/train my ear to ‘keep up’. I have both South American and Spanish friends and the first group sounds slow, almost lazy and is easy to understand. The latter group sounds completely frenzied when they speak among themselves and I get left for death heheh.. Thx mate

  • the nerve

    fuk yall chumpz im out 4 da night. lolololo
    n good look bryan

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I hate the way Spaniards speak spanish. Using a “th” sound for “z” and all that.
    But hey, it’s their language.

  • HAMMER

    Enrique Iglethiath Haha!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Cosign enigmatic on people from spain. The way they talk effs me up sometimes. Theres more people that speak ‘mexican’ style spanish than ‘spain’ style. …… A few years ago in spanish class, our teacher had her friend sub for a couple day, and sub was from spain, we were all lost a lil on the first day, its funny how different they are…..

  • Ansonpanson

    anyone notice how similar westbrook and griffin’s shooting forms are?

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