Post Up: Won’t Back Down

Bryan, its definitely debatable. Jukai, tell me the games were you feel like CP3 was getting consistently burned? Okafor is a good defender, but West and Jay Smith are not. Chris Paul has been staying in front of his man, and doing a better job of getting round screen rolls, especially over the last 15-20 games.

Okafor doesn’t create any offense by himself! Not this season. Chandler is great defensively, Okafor is good, and your right, he is no where near as effective on the P & R.

Enigmatic: No one can defend Rose. That’s why he’s an MVP candidate. No one can defend Chris Paul either, just wish someone reminded the dude of that.

Steve Kerr had a 50-50-90 season with a 66.3 percent TS% and a 15.2 PER. But those stats don’t tell his true impact on the game do they? Which by the way was negligible.

15.2 is not close to 25 +, and your not seriously making a Chris Paul/Steve Kerr comparison?
CP’s impact on the game is not negligible.

Oh, and CP’s higher assist numbers are not due to deference. Look at the % his wing players shoot. Combined the starting wings besides him are mid 30′s. Look at the pace his team plays. If they played a quicker pace, his assists would be even higher.

If this doesn’t show you the ridiculousness of using advanced stats to say CP is having a better impact than Rose, than I don’t know what will.

AllBall: well, my point was, because Chandler was ALWAYS paired with CP3, his DSW was humongous. And once Chandler left, Okafor was brought in and his playing time was sort of spread out, Chris Paul’s DSW dropped. So perhaps it was really the BIG that was helping Chris Paul appear like a great defender, and not Chris Paul locking his man down?
Look, Chris Paul is a great passing lane defender and he’s the VOCAL defensive leader. But he’s a sucky iso defender. I love Chris Paul, he’s one of my favorite players in the league, and if we’re comparing him to Derrick Rose, Chris Paul IS friggin Gary Payton. Bit when you use the term ‘elite’ for Chris Paul, it certainly raises eyebrows.

Do you play ball?

Just curious.

Jukai, same. I stopped last year, I already regret it. What about you Bryan, you play?

Ok first of all those Kerr shooting % have little effect on his PER. It’s adjusted for minutes played, everything else measurable and also the league average is ALWAYS 15. So that’s that. CP ranks out high defensively mainly because his team plays at such a slowish pace, and he gets so Many steals. The fact that he orchestrates the defense and applies pressure to the ball stalling the initiation of the offense is what makes him “good” in my opinion. But he is not elite in terms of individual defense, more like a ball thief version of Nate Robinson on that end of the court.

My bad Jukai if i basically echoed what you said doin this from my phone didn’t see that comment

CP is dominating the Hawks right now, 14 in the 1st half, New Orleans are up 15 on the road.

Some interesting PER’s around the league. Ryan Anderson 21.8, Tyrus Thomas 19.6, Steve Novak 20.8, Jeremy Evans 21.8, Kevin Love 24.5 also a 6.7 win share. (Blake Griffin 23.1 5.3 for whoever was saying Blake was the better player and it wasn’t close).

Let me guess Mike “Matador Defense” Bibby is guarding him. How good would the hawks be if they had drafted either DWill or CP istead of that walking corpse better known as MWilliams. They would have made it to the ECF a couple of times but I couldn’t see them making it to the finals.

Jukai and AllBall, how good were you guys? I was a decent player, a great rebounder and slasher but my jumpshoot left something to be desired. If I had put in the work, I could have at least made a D2 squad but the motivation just wasn’t there.

JTaylor: I was never good at all. I was fantastic at soccer and as bizarre as this sounds, fencing.
Basketball-wise, I wasn’t very good. I made my High School team because I have long-ass arms and great feet, so I could defend pretty much anyone on the perimeter. However, we were a mostly white, D3 High School team that made the post-season once in the four years I played.
When my pops was in HS, he was a starter, and the only white guy on a D1 team in Queens. I barely made my D3 HS team. I always felt bad about that.

New Orleans are up 30 on the road right now.

JWall is already a better passer than DRose and Russ, I think dude is avg. 9apg. I mean if he puts in the work to improve his jumpshot like both guys did, he could be better than those guys. He’s just as fast and athletic as DRose, he possess the same defensive tools that makes Russ a great defender and he seems like someone who wants to be great. Not too long ago, he came close to outplaying DWill head to head, so the sky is the limit for dude.

F#CK YEAH LAMARCUS TOOK THE POSTER CHILD TO SCHOOL ON THE LOW BLOCK, Wes nice game too.

JTaylor21: Funny you should mention Wall. I watched that entire game (obviously) and I thought John Wall was gonna go for 25 assists… in six minutes, he had about eight, nine assists, but that was MOSTLY because he was passing to Nick Young and Young was just knocking down shots with two, three hands in his face. Four times, Wall passed to Young when Young was covered and Young put it up and it swooshed.
So I said “Wow, Wall is a great passer. If he has nine assists with not even the first quarter done, he’s gonna have a ridiculous number!”
Then I watched the rest of the game, as Wall dashed through the Suns defense, drew everyone in, kicked it to a wide open man, and clunk. Brick. John Wall hands the ball off and gets cheap assists for the first six minutes (getting nine assists) and then when he ACTUALLY creates beautiful passes, his teammates could not hit anything (getting five assists in something like 33 minutes). It was just a bit ironic.
And after Nick Young obliterated Vince Carter for twenty points in the first half, the Suns used Grant Hill to absolutely shut Young down. I mean, shut DOWN.
Nash with 17-4-14. Beast.

Phoenix gonna make the play-offs Juks? As of now (If NOH hold on to their 30 points lead, & Boston hold on to their 20 point lead at home to Utah), New Orleans are going to have a better record than the Jazz. That just feels right.

NBK my larger point still remains. PER and win shares aren’t as accurate as one would be led to believe.

Yeah in the sense that if it’s favorable to your argument you can use it for that player. Which is the opposite of what I’m doing. Which is why watching the games is more important.