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Monday, January 24th, 2011 at 11:55 am  |  223 responses

Report: Ricky Rubio Wants to Play on the East Coast

by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Ever since the Minnesota Timberwolves made him the fifth pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, Ricky Rubio has never indicated that he ever intends to don a Timberwolf uniform.

Ricky Rubio is a star in Europe, making good money, soaking up the sun rays, and above all, winning a lot more than he could ever hope to do so in Minny.

It’s hasn’t all been positive, though, but as Rubio has experienced personal struggles on the basketball court. Many believe his best chance to flourish individually (and financially) would be for him to take his talents to the NBA.

Ricky, however, doesn’t sound like he’s in any kind of rush to make the jump across the pond.

The NY Times reports:

Last summer, Rubio had a golden opportunity to showcase himself as the future of Spanish basketball, playing for the national team in the world championships in Turkey … Instead, Rubio struggled. He shot 28 percent from the field, including 2 of 17 from 3-point range, and averaged 4 points in 25 minutes over nine games. Spain, the defending champion, lost in the quarterfinals. For the first time, cracks began to appear in the Rubio hype machine.

Though 28 games in the 2010-11 season, Rubio has continued to struggle. He is shooting just 32 percent from the field, including 11 of 61 from beyond the arc, and his team has lost more games in the ACB and in the Euroleague than it did all of last season.

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The Timberwolves continue to push him toward the N.B.A. as soon as possible, contending privately that they have a commitment from him for next season. But Rubio’s camp does not appear to be convinced. “The bottom line is, why would he want to play in Minnesota?” a senior member of Rubio’s camp said this month. “He’ll continue to say all the diplomatic things, and Minnesota needs to keep his value up for trade purposes, but the family’s preference is to be on the East Coast, specifically New York, Miami or Boston. He wouldn’t be troubled if he has to stay another year.” … “I’m not focused on the N.B.A. right now,” Rubio said. “Right now, I don’t want to talk and I don’t want to think.”

Though Ricky Rubio himself has never explicitly said he doesn’t want to play for the Timberwolves, his people have given plenty of indication that he’s simply not interested in joining the franchise.

It might be time for Minnesota’s front-office to consider cutting their losses and getting something in return by trading away Rubio’s rights.

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  • Loaf

    He doesn’t want to play for the T wolves? Well that’s surprising……

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Riley won’t take a chance on this clown. Or will he? Are the Celtics trading away Rondo? Will the Knicks get rid of Felton? (Actually I could see them doing it)

  • http://www.slamonline.com THE REAL RIGGS

    trade felton? this dude deserves toney douglas at best.

  • Bruno

    he hasnt played a game at all in the N.B.A. and is acting all diva … I believed some of the hype he had but it’s disappearing

  • slamfan4life

    MIA…………..wow lmao

  • on the to the next two

    man i hate this kid. seriously, he thinks miami or boston will want him when they already have Lebron/Wade and Rondo at their point? maybe new york

  • LeBron de Con

    This is warmed up spit. The zillionth time an article has been published since 2008. And, prepare for another zillion between now and June 2011.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rubio’s numbers in Europe are Better then Brandon Jennings were. Don’t see why his production there is any indication of how he will play in the NBA….plus after the Olympics you had the best PG’s in the world saying he was NBA ready…I mean, its dumb for his representatives to think they can weasel their way into getting him onto one of the top 5 most popular teams in the league, but he should be a pretty good pro.

  • T-Money

    E: Nah. All rotation perimeter guys outside of Wade and James shoot the 3 at a high clip (Miller, Jones, House, Chalmers). The one thing he apparently can do (create off the bounce) is not needed in Miami. He could go to NYK or BOS if he wants to play 8-10 mins a game for the next 5-6 years behind Rondo or Felton.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Playing in the NBA is a blessing and a privilege. Why in the hell would any team listen to his demands on where he wants to play? If he wants to play on East Coast so bad then trade him to Charlotte.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    “why would he want to play in Minnesota?”
    Um, Cause that team DRAFTED him. That’s the whole purpose of a draft. If everyone could choose where they wanted to play then everyone would be on the Lakers right now. Redonc

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Uhm Minnesota is going to ask for a boatload for Rubio. They passed on Curry, and Jennings for him. NYK is the only team with assets to get him, (Prolly take Felton & Fields, or Fields & Chandler).

  • T-Money

    So, he’s slow, can’t make a lay up, can’t shoot and is turnover prone. I’m telling you, whenever he makes his move to the NBA, he better pass the ball like Rondo from the jump or a lot of writers are going to look foolish.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    If you are good as you claim to be then the team you go to will improve i.e Blake Griffin.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Why in the hell would NY trade Felton for this guy? Felton is a borderline all star while Rubio is Jason Williams, Sebastian Telfair or Luke Ridnour at best.

  • MUBWAR

    Let me get this str8, rubio thinks he has a chance against superstar PG like Rondo, Rose, Felton and Wall…stars like Jameer Nelson, DJ Augustin and Jennings and even sub part PG like Calderon and Mike Bibby. NO CHANCE. Better suit up for Minny, young boy

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kap you literally have no basis for saying that, none.

  • MUBWAR

    The West has weaker PG except for the Obvious Nash, CP3, Williams and Westbrook.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    ….we done play boy, stay in Spain, collect you’re Euro’s, you’re obviously not cut out for the league lil man. How you tryna call shots and you ain’t even agree to do any pre-draft workouts, much less play in a single NBA game??? How you gonna be a 1st round draft pick, turn it down, and say you’re not thinking about the NBA, and expect to call shots half the world away, its a wrap man….

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    @MUBWAR in essence you just said the West has weaker PG’s except for all the best PG’s

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…For saying wat?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Mubwar…Curry, Kidd, Baron Davis. I think the West has by far the best point guards and for you to name 4 of the top seven proves my point.

  • MUBWAR

    Are you kiddig me with the west has better pg. Let’s See EAST: Rondo, Rose, Felton, Wall, Jennings, Augustin, Collison, Devin Harris, Jameer, Calderon, Stuckey to name a few against the WEST’s Nash, Cp3, Williams, Wesbrook, Kidd, Billups, Fisher, Conley, Curry, Flynn and Udrih….seriously, there is no comparison cause half the West PG will retire in less 2 seasons.

  • DEKNOWZ

    Hype is fine but who is this kid going to guard in the NBA aka the league with the fastest point guards on the planet? People keep calling him “Pistol Pete” which is COMPLETELY OFF! Pete could score at will! I just don’t see what people see in this kid? He is a subpar athlete, broken jumper, has bad foot work, slow on defense, and his best passes are often to the other team. He need a D-League try out and I’m pretty sure he would get exposed there.

  • MUBWAR

    Forget about Parker, the only non american Finals MVP.

  • T-Money

    I think I’m officially in “see you when I see you” mode with Rubio. We’ll see what’s up when he gets to the L, until then… yawn.

  • johnny c

    so this kid struggles bad playing in europe and has the nerve to stay he wants to play for a contenter if he joins the nba. on any teams he said, he would be buried deep on the bench with his lack of production

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Did this guy really just say Stuckey was one of the best pgs in the league??? Wow…case closed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Rubio > DRose. Discuss.(300 + comments)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    The West has better point guards, Mubwar. Look at the All-Star game. Rose and Rondo are in, Felton might be. Beyond that, no one’s really deserving.
    On the west, Paul, Williams, Nash, Westbrook and Parker are all deserving but they won’t all get in.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    for saying he will be telfair or ridnour at best.

  • MUBWAR

    Hey Kap, I’d rather have Stuckey than Fisher and Baron Davis

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and everyone realizes other then passing defense is his biggest strength right? I mean i feel like all of you that criticize him have literally never watched him play a full game. just judge the fact that he is a european who doesn’t appear very athletic.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…Sorry but I just don’t see that guy being too great in the league.
    @Mubwar…Stuckey is not a point guard.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    This guy is such a joke now

  • JD

    Whats not to like bout minnesota seriously if Ricky goes there, in a like five years time it will have at least one ring, if everyone there fulfills there potential. This guy is so ungrateful, most guys would kill for a chance to play in the NBA, even if it is with the t’wolves.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Maybe his defense is decent on those slow European guards but he struggled in the World Championships. Rudy Fernandez was hyped up (not as much as Rubio though) when he came to the league and he has been a disappointment.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Most average guys yeah, but we’ve seen this before. Like when Steve Francis refused to play for Vancouver.
    nbk, what current or former NBA player would you compare him to?

  • http://allanzuss@yahoo.com Mendel

    Who cares what he wants. Right now he sucks in his current situation, so he is in no position to be making anykind of demands.

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    Kap listen to yourself –> ‘ I don’t see him being TOO GREAT ‘ ?! WTF ? Great should be enough man + None of you chumps understand the obvious situation hes in . Rubio is one of the sickest ballas to come out of europe. He will have it his way or he’l stay in europe earning max + on the best team & thats that. Why would you want to go from one of the best teams in the world to the T Wolves. Cmon. Use ur greasy headz ! The boy got game. He’s like a poor man’s Montay Ellis. Word to yours.

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    Mendel , don’t be a Menda !!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Defensively, Rubio is solid at man-to-man and a ballhawk in the passing lanes. The ‘09 Spanish league DPOY swiped 2.8 balls per game with FC Barcelona last season, and has notched eight steals in four WC games, in just 27 minutes per game. – That’s from an article written about Rubio during the World Championships.
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    During the Olympics (2 years earlier) he more then held his own, against the best pg’s in the world. 6 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, and 3 steals. And he was 18

  • http://slamonline.com Ghost

    Dislike his sense of entitlement, you haven’t done sh*t sir.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Enigmatic, I don’t really have a PG to compare him to.. He is like Doug Christie physically (for his position and with how he plays defense), on offense he is a cross between Rondo and Kidd. I think it will take him a while to get acclaimated to the NBA with the speed of the game and length of the seasons though. But Rondo is probably the current player i would compare him too first, just a much less athletic version.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Monta is one of the best scorers in the league and quickest players. I’m from the same city as Ellis so I know you just disgraced him by comparing him to Rubio. Fernandez and Sergio Rodriguez proved that players like Rubio will not do much in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    A turnover prone pg who cannot shoot and is a liability on defense…

  • http://www.slamonline.com THE REAL RIGGS

    Cant wait til he comes to the league and prove that he’s meh.

  • http://Facebook.com/jray2009 Jray

    First time I read about him was in Punks… Looks like he really is one

  • Bruno

    I stop reading when someone said Rubio is like Jason Williams … I choose White Boy all day

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    except he isn’t a liability on defense, he’s actually better then every option on the Knicks, and Heat (for examples sake) on that end of the court. And his assist to turnover ratio translates to one of the best in the NBA (hollinger or sheridan idk which, created a system that translates euroleague basketball to the NBA). ALso as I’ve already said on here, he has been better in Europe then Jennings was. He also played better then Jason Kidd when they were matched up in 08, just didn’t get the best of CP or Deron (but who would have?). Kap you just sound like an ignorant hater who has never actually seen Rubio play more then 10 minutes.

  • Ryan D.

    Son is shook. Cause theres no such thing as half way crooks. Or NBA point guards. This guy hasn’t logged a single minute in the league and is already putting out there that he wants to play on the East Coast. Give me a break I mean the Wolves need some help but this guy is not their answer. He is a classic example of a big fish in a little pond where he feels he is on the same level with the sharks. Run little Nemo run………..

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    nbk – Like Doug Christie defensively? Seriously? Wow, Christie was no joke as an on-ball defender. That’s pretty high praise.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Maybe he’ll be like Tiago Splitter and come here in his mid twenties after years and years of speculation and stories of his incredible greatness and then be a minuscule bit player on some team that really doesn’t need him and average 11 minutes, 4 pts and 2 assists per game.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…you are making an argument for a guy who is acting like a spoiled brat and has yet to play a minute in the league. So I’m an ignorant hater for saying the guy isn’t worth the hype? I’m just going by what his running mates Sergio and Rudy have done in the league and how horrible Rubio has played on the big stage. I saw the guy in the World Championships and when the Lakers played him in the preseason.

  • ionmic

    Send him to Miami, lets see how long he lasts when he realises ALL hes allowed to do hi stand in the corner and shoot 3′s he cant make. Like Bron and Wade would hand over the reigns to this wannabe

  • toinefan88

    Well give up Nate Rob for him.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I agree with Eboy. All those European guys are hyped up by Fran Franschilla and Co. and then disappoint when they get to the L because of the speed and strength of the other players plus add in the fact that the guy is not so good offensively.

  • Shem

    Saying Rubio is a poor man’s Monta Ellis is probably the stupidest comment I’ve ever read. He needs to realize he’s not going to any of the teams he wants. Felton fits D’Antoni’s system perfectly, Rondo well it’s pretty obvious the Celtics won’t trade a top 5 PG. Rubio is the exact OPPOSITE of what Miami is looking for. They need a guy that can play D and knock down 3′s. Far off of what Rubio does.

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    I mean, I certainly am withdrawing my “Ricky Rubio is gonna be amazing in the L” stance I had a while ago when the hype was going on… but who keeps starting these “rubio is a liability on defense” rumors? He was voted the BEST DEFENDER IN SPAIN. At the very least, the best defender in Spain makes him a decent defender in the US.
    Although if I were the Timberwolves I’d just shelf him indefinitely.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Would you want to play for a team that has so little trust in your abilities they draft another PG right after you? GTFOH, I don’t see why its so bad for his people (not even HIM) to express that he wants a better situation, Steve Francis 100% refused to play for the Grizzlies, just flat out refused, and he was going to be their future and focal point, he didn’t even have competition for playing time, that’s much worse, and shows an even bigger sense of entitlement.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    First time I heard about Rubio was in a copy of SLAM. so the Hype IMO, comes from here.

  • Bruno

    “he’s actually better then every option on the Knicks” … damn!!! what felton must do to get his props

  • JTaylor21

    If Blake Griffin didn’t complain about playing for the Clippers, Lebron for the Cavs, or Melo for the nuggets then Rubio should not complain about the T Wolves who are gonna have a top three pick along with Love, Beasley, and Johnson.

  • JTaylor21

    What European has ever come over and been a defensive stopper and at least descent on defense perimeter wise???

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m sorry kap, but a person’s desires and personality have absolutely no effect on how i feel about them as a basketball player. I don’t give a damn what he wants to do, I only have the right to judge him as a baller, not as a person. And what your saying about him as a player, is just blatantly false. Like your WC comments for example, Rubio played roughly 25MPG, averaged 5 points, 3 rebounds, 5 assists, 1.5 steals, and 2 turnovers. He struggled with his shooting (which believe it or not is the most fixable thing in basketball) and that’s it. (just from the field too might i add, he shot 85% from the FT line 12 of 14) Plus he’s what 20? What did your favorite PG do infront of the world when he was 20?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    actually only said that about defense bruno. maybe try and read every word of a comment

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The poor man’s JJ Barrea.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor no european has ever come out cast as a defensive “stopper.” Which is not what I’m calling Rubio, I’m saying his second biggest strength is his defense, but I’m not some stupid moron who expects people to be great the day they get off the boat, it will obviously take time. And there is also a huge difference between being drafted into a situation where your the focal point and best player on your team from day 1, and getting drafted right next to a player that plays the exact same position as you, and will, without a doubt, take minutes away from your development. That’s a huge difference

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Carlos Arroyo lite.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    A pimple on Pau Gasol’s a*s.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…the article itself says that he struggled. I just don’t appreciate guys who have been given everything they wanted on a silver platter to act like the world owes them something. There are guys in the d-league busting their asses off trying to make it to the League but can’t get an opportunity while this guy is making a joke of his opportunity because a team drafted him that he doesn’t want to play for. Why root for a guy like that?

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    JTaylor21: Good point, but Rubio’s defensive game is a bit unusual for the euros. He’s built more for man-to-man D, highlight steals, and leading his guy into a bigman. Most Euro defenders are so used to zoning and playing “slap you hard in the hand when the ref isn’t looking” D that they can’t adjust to the NBA defense.
    I don’t think Rubio is gonna be a Gary Payton, but he isn’t going to be a liability.
    Honestly though, what would be BEST for Rubio’s career, and make him the most money, is if he goes to Minny. He wont get any playing time in Boston/New York (better points) and Miami (they need a point who can shoot).

  • JTaylor21

    Who fooled Ricky Martin Fabio into thinking he’s good enough to run ish?

  • Bruno

    at least Carlitos put his country on his back when he plays for Puerto Rico and Rubio what?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and Rubio is 6’3 with a very long wingspan. He isn’t 5’10 sergio “t-rex arms” rodriguez or average sized shooting guard Rudy Fernandez, he is oversized for his position, which typically works out well for Europeans (Dirk, Detleff, Petrovich, Kukoc, Bargnani, Hedo, Rick Smits) all productive “overrated” europeans who weren’t athletic enough to be good in the NBA….and all took a while to develop and adjust.

  • T-Money

    Seriously, I saw a ACB game with my own eyes on a trip to Barça two years ago (FCB vs. Bilbao)… League is okay but really not that nice. I understand it’s the highest comp outside the NBA but the gap is way bigger than some writers make it seem. Quincy Lewis was balling like he was Kobe out there. J.C. Navarro was shaking cats off their sneaks. Tiago Splitter was MVP in Spain last year and is behing Matt Bonner, Dejuan Blair and McDyess now. Make of that what you will, I’m just saying.

  • JTaylor21

    That wasn’t me NBK, even though I agree with what wannabe JT said.

  • Bruno

    what jukai said is true and what nbk is saying is just hype

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…I can’t stop laughing at you calling Sergio “t-rex arms”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Marc Gasol has sh*tted out more NBA ready play than Rick the Trick.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    That was me. Jtaylor info keeps popping up where mine should go.

  • T-Money

    nbk: also noticed that all the euros you’ve named could shoot the sh– out of the ball? my biggest concern for rubio is that he can’t score from the outside OR finish at the rim. you HAVE to be able to do one or the other.

  • JTaylor21

    Kap, I knew you possessed stalker like qualities.

  • anen

    I can not believe this is news today. I could have sworn I read this news like back in 2009!!! I swear!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    His NBA career would be a success if he reached Jose Calderon levels.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well I think as soon as he gets to the league whatever team he is on will focus 95% of their attention on his jumpshot. I mean the kid is 20, and is probably an equivalent shooter to Tony Parker at the same age. Except he is leaps and bounds better on defense and creating for others. Parker just had that ridiculous speed and quickness. And the world stage is growing, before the only way to get recognition in Europe was too shoot, because the competition was so bad doing anything else was kind of overrated by implication of competition if that makes sense. The Euroleague is now considered the 1st or 2nd best competition outside the NBA (between NCAA and EuroLeague), Rubio has been highly productive since he was 15. If I were buying into the hype i would be on here tlaking about how he will be a multiple time all star. Being realistic, I think he ends up as an above average defensive PG, who averages around 10 points, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1.5 to 2 steals for his career when its all said and done. I also think it will take him the european customary 3-4 years to fully adjust

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    Yeah, my worries are sort of on par with what T-Money just said. Two years ago, we saw Rubio’s incredible ball-handling skills, great change of speed, good first step and immense court vision and we all said “wow, once he either learns to shoot or learns to finish with contact, he’ll be dropping points all over the place!”
    And he sort of never learned to do either. And it’s very disappointing. He’s going to be able to get right to the basket, and get blocked a lot, cause the defender is gonna back off him and the bigs are going to overplay him.
    Perhaps, like OJ Mayo, Rubio simply developed fast and was never meant to improve. I still think he’ll be a good starting point in the NBA, but perhaps the ideas of greatness were too much, and I’m at fault for hyping Rubio just like SLAM is.

  • ciroqobama

    SLAM… no more Rubio articles. You should’ve stopped sucking his d*ck YEARS AGO

  • Mike from Spain

    First let me just name Rubio’s weak points. His work ethic and athleticism are suspect, his frame is too slight for the NBA. Everyone’s listed his jumpshot as his main weakness forever, and he seems not to have done much about it. I understand that you are pissed off at a player that looks not to be all that he’s hyped to be. But really, to say that he’s done nothing is plain ignorant. He’s Eurobasket champion, Euroleague champion, DPOY in Spain, voted best young European player not too long ago, Olympics silver medal, and drafted in the fifth place. Do you know better than the GMs and scouts that have money to lose if they bet on him and he turns to be a bust? Maybe all the FIBA accomplishments mean nothing to you, but while other young point guards in your lists were playing hi-school or college, Rubio was playing Eurobasket, Euroleague, Spanish league,Olympics… and won all but the Olympics. Rubio is great on the fastbreak and is not a defensive liability, he’s good both 1 on 1 and in the passing lanes. He’s great at passing, he drives to the basket quite well even though he doesn’t have mad hops, he’s quite big and with some long wingspan. He’s been playing pro (even if you don’t bother to call Euro players ‘pro’) since he was 14. He’s still two years younger than any of the other guys in your list. In the hands of decent coaches and technical staff he can still be a decent NBA point guard, and with a little luck a great one.

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    Mike hit it on the head. Unlike the rest of yall GIVIN IT !!!!

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    I’m excited about the prospect of Rubio going to Minny and joining Flynn to form the most futile backcourt in the league.

  • Bruno

    the same GMs and scouts that selected Darko before Melo mmm yes you’re right Mike from Spain

  • T-Money

    Mike: A decent point guard was not what were sold by NBA writers. And Euro accomplishments really don’t mean anything, I’m dead serious. Sarunas Jasikevicius and Tiago Splitter won everything that there is to win in Europe and ain’t done sh– in the NBA. Tony Parker and Dirk didn’t do anything noteworthy in Europe and are tearing up the league. It’s exactly like saying that Kyle Singler is going to be nice because he’s been winning his whole life. Nobody cares. I mean, if the discussion now is whether he’s going to be a decent pg then that’s cool. But two years ago, he was about to change the game.

  • http://twolvesblog.com RunNGun

    Well, here’s Ricky Rubio, in his own words, about suiting up for the Timberwolves:

    http://twolvesblog.com/201101243197/minnesota-timberwolves/articles/new-ricky-rubio-interview-status-update.html

    He will be a Timberwolf. Shoddy media reporting… that’s what it’s all about. I laugh at all the folks who say MN is cold when it’s even colder in NY and in Boston.

  • izzo

    Alternate title for this article: “Thing we know reiterated”

  • irondan21

    Haha. Pipe dream much? Knicks and celtics don’t need point guards. And I think rubio would be a bad fit for the heat cuz bron and wade handle the ball.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If you can’t see the potential in Darko then your opinion is mute. Dude still should be a 20, 10, 4 and 2 guy, but Dumars & the pistons killed his confidence. @T-Money, you can’t compare Rubio to those two, Rubio was touted as a legitimate NBA All Star prospect, Sarunas for instance was not even a good enough pro prospect to get drafted. Tiago went 27th in the first round, not in the lottery. Its like saying ofcourse Trajon Langdon was overrated, JJ Reddick had a better career then him at Duke and got drafted after him, the GM’s must be retarded.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Potential and Production are two different things, try and separate them. If a guy is getting awards and praise before he is even an adult then his production would likely grow with the fulfillment of his potential. ANd ya’ll are gonna hate on Tiago already? He has been a pro for 41 games, and he plays for Gregg Poppovich. LMAO, how far into your mouth will you put you foot when he averages 18 and 8 in a couple years? Europeans take longer to develop, keep forming your opinion after half a season, you would be the idiot that dealt Petrovic to the Nets.

  • Yesse

    Here is a tip: Don’t go to the NBA draft if you don’t want to play in the league. This case is even worse than Steve Francis. Timberwolves should just get that draft pick back.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Lang, you told us he was going to be great :(

  • Bruno

    so if Rubio’s people doesnt want Rubio to end like Darko, they should want him to play somwhere else cause in Boston, NY and Miami he is not going to improve anything with 10 minutes max

  • Bruno

    nbk you should stop writing at all hahaha Tony Parker plays for Pops and he played good ball since game 1 not quite like Tiago

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tony Parker didn’t play the same position as the best player on the team, his competition for minutes was antonio daniels. There is more to things then just basic, dumb, generalized facts dood.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Per 36 minutes, Tiago Splitter is averaging 14 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block and 1 steal. That’s not very bad for a rookie, big man. (also the fact that he is a big man, if you know anything about the NBA, should tell you it generally takes longer for bigs to become productive players)

  • Bruno

    so first the thing was he plays for Pops and now is that he plays with Duncan then it’s going to be that he’s not comfortable in Texas and so on. if that translates to what you want for Rubio, the right team and the right coach it means in other scenario he is going to fail, then he’s not what you are selling us

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Until proven otherwise, in the nba, this guy is a certified scrub crybaby

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Pops isn’t going to hurt his team and their championship aspirations to get his European Big man acclimated to the NBA game so he can make a difference when they are no longer in the title hunt. Duncan would be the main guy sitting with Tiago on the court (contrary to popular belief, Duncan is a Center, masquerading as a PF) because their games are so similar. You have never had 2 reasons that support each other for one decision you have made? Everything in your life is a one cause one effect situation then? lol use that thing inbetween your ears

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk, don’t roll out PER numbers as a way to validate a prospect. A prospect. The hard truth is (and numbers mean sh*t in this scenario) is that if Splitter was so otherworldly with his game….he’d be getting more than 11 minutes a game and racking up better numbers. He’s not stealing minutes from Dejuan Blair…so there’s his comparison, right on his own team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Those are Per 36 minutes dude, not PER. That is his literal production, in a new completely different league, halfway through his first season. I never once called Tiago Splitter otherworldy, or great or anything like that. I said he is productive, and will likely be very productive (relatively speaking for a 27th overall pick) in the future. And I only said it because people are forming their opinions about players more prematurely then when they lost their virginities….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And like i’ve said over and over again in all of these comments, big men take longer to adjust then any other type of player. Europeans ones even slower. Dirk is a good example of how slow big europeans adjust

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I know you never said he was otherworldly….but he was built up for the longest as being one of the best/most talented (if not the best) foreign big man. Tricky Ricky has been getting that same shine too. I used him for comparisons sake. Sorry about the PER misunderstanding.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dirk put up 17 in year two. 23 in year three, if I’m not mistaken.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sorry, 21 in year three, 23 and nine in year four.
    That’s not really slow development.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Best foreign big man, and future NBA all stars are different wouldn’t you say? Like Sabonis in the 90′s was touted as the best european big, but nobody thought as a 35 year old he would come in and dominate the NBA. IDK maybe I took all of the hype for Tiago differently then other people did. Too me being “the best” whatever in europe doesn’t mean people think your going to be great in the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and 8 in year 1. I’m not calling Tiago Dirk, or saying he will be on Dirk’s level in any way, but if Dirk takes a while to develop then why the hell wouldn’t tiago splitter. see the connection?

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Rubio is going to be just fine. Splitter is playing for Pop, if he played for anyone else he’d be logging 20 minutes and about 10 and 6.

  • T-Money

    nbk: stop stretching the truth. tiago is not battling tim duncan for minutes. he’s battling blair, mcdyess and bonner. cmon son. what i gave you with my examples is that euro awards don’t mean anyithing – EITHER WAY­. no correlation, none. i’Ve never compared rubio to sarunas or tiago. just saying euro awards don’t matter. and can we stop talking about his age like he’s still a 15-year old prospect? he’s the same age as john wall, a year younger than jennings, two years younger than steph curry and d-rose.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    Good point on the ages. Hell, dude should start getting docked for his age soon. If you’ve been hooping this long at the pro level and haven’t improved your obvious issues, what the hell is the problem?
    Maybe you are Jason Kidd and Rondo without the crazy athleticism, which makes roughly Mark Jackson, maybe. That’s nice and all, but that’s Mark Jackson.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: Honestly, I don’t bash Euro dudes just because they’re Euro – I’m not even American myself. Tiago Splitter is not that talented. He’s a rugged big man who’s all out hustle. The way Chad Ford was writing about him, I expected a cross between Toni Kukoc and Dirk. That’s not who he is at all. Never shot a 3 in his life, doesn’t take his man off the bounce at all. He’s a PJ Brown type. And that’s not bad, that’s actually very good for a late first rounder but I wouldn’t hold my breath on him setting the league on fire. 10 and 6? Maybe. Certainly not for a contender this year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    C’mon. Tiago isn’t getting tick because Blair, McDyess and Bonner bring defined skills to the table and he doesn’t.
    Pop wishes he could play two seven footers, but Tiago isn’t a defensive stopper, and isn’t a scorer. So, he can’t beat out the aforementioned three guys for minutes. It’s not because Pop is unreasonable, look at Gary Neal and George Hill, who both got tick when they proved their worth. Pop just demands that you do something well, and then do it consistently. If you, you get to run. Simple.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    did i say battling? I feel like your not reading my comments, or reading why i’m saying them. Either way, here goes AGAIN, Tiago plays the same position as Duncan, he is obviously not going to take his minutes. But that doesn’t mean having them on the court together is a good idea, especially when Tiago is a rookie who has no feel for the speed and complexities of the NBA game. You want to throw him out there, out of position? Just because he is a better PROSPECT then Dejuan Blair and Matt Bonner….the Spurs want to win, not improve their prospects.

  • T-Money

    Here’s my Euro prediction based on nothing tangible: Goran Dragic is that dude. You just watch when they’ll set Steve Nash free (hopefully soon for his sake, Atlanta could DEFINITELY use him), he’s going to ball out of control. In every sense of the word.

  • bob

    If Rubio’s so damn good he should just go to Minnesota & be able to turn that franchise around like Blake has this year in LA.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    I’m reserving judgement until he plays, because, how do we really know? I think some people here are declaring him a scrub after watching 3 minutes off youtube and an article. He COULD be a total bust, but he could also be a success. How do you know? Gotta love dudes adamant that he’s a horrible defender, adamant he’s a terrific defender. Yeesh. That said, not a fan of the sense of entitlement. But thats another issue.

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    Tiago does not play the same position as Duncan. That’s sort of silly. Duncan can play the four and five seamlessly: remember how he played with David Robinson? If Tiago was good enough to warrant NBA minutes, he’d be playing with Duncan.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I don’t know what was said about Splitter before he came to the league. I honestly don’t but from what I see, he can get burn any where else.
    Allen: I don’t think Pop is unreasonable, but he’s strict. Manu was 25 years old when he got to the L and only averaged 21 minutes per game and 7 points under Pop.He has a history of this. 14 and 8 isn’t unreasonable to expect of Splitter anyone who expected more is crazy.

  • T-Money

    The thing I’ve noticed with Dragic, announcers don’t know what to make of him because he plays like an AAU-type pg but he has a funny name. They’re trying to talk about his fundamentals and steady plays but keep on waiting for him to make steady, fundamental plays. They waited for that for Manu as well and finally settled on talking about his carefree latin attitude. Dragic is extremely explosive with crisp handles. Maybe I’m seeing too much in him, I dunno. Just think he’s about to blow up.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    I can see him going for a rookie year best case of: 10ppg, 40fg%, 30% on threes, 8 assists, 2 steals, 3 rebs.

  • http://360special.blogspot.com/ dev0

    no man can dictate the circumstances of their NBA tenure, he was drafted and should serve his due. After that, he’s got a right to search out his own contract. For now, he thinks he’s a little bigger than the game, can’t wait to see him guard most of the NBA point guards…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    I don’t know. Ty Lawson had that boy heated just by bodying up on him and Sasha did the same thing.
    Bryan
    I don’t know what Splitter could put up. He doesn’t look like a stiff, so your estimates sound fine. My point was that the reason he isn’t playing isn’t because Pop is too strict or mean, it’s because he doesn’t do anything well enough to demand playing time except be tall. That’s just the truth right now.
    Oh, and Manu didn’t get minutes because he had too many OC possessions. Once he started getting a feel for when to cut lose and when to be smart, he got a lot of time. But dude’s minutes were always kind of low because he’s never been a great defender, and he’s injury prone. Pop is a beast with his substitution patterns.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tim Duncan does not move like he did 5 years ago, let alone 10 years ago Jukai. Duncan is a 5 no matter what is says on the depth chart, he can’t guard todays premier 4′s. Its just the way it is. Putting Splitter out there for defensve purposes in his rookie year on guys like Dirk, and Pau is not an option, especially in the playoffs. And i’m pretty sure poppovich knows that

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Rubio actually averaged 6.8 points and 4.1 assists in less than 22 minutes a game. He hit 46% of his 2 point shots and a putrid 18% of his threes along with 82% from the line. That’s exclusively the Euro league. In ACB it dropped to 5.8 on 37.9 from 2, but he upped his assists to 4.9. That really doesn’t sound awful to me.

  • Jordan Bravo

    HE IS GONNA PLAY FOR THE TORONTO RAPTORS!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    Does it sound like Mark Jackson?
    Seriously, without a very good jumper, dude is going to be like Mark Jackson on offense. A jumper makes so much difference when you don’t have great quickness.

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    @Allen: EVERY single Phoenix Sun gets antsy when someone bodies them up. They never had a coach who could calm them down. It’s actually worse than you think: Goran has a LOT of confidence problems. Gentry did an excellent job in fixing them last year, but now he proved himself in the playoffs, and he’s got an extra couple of pages on the scouting report, and he’s getting frustrated again with the greater D he’s seeing (not playing with STAT, who demands double teams, also hurts a lot). If Goran gets over this lack of confidence, his mental damps which really hold him back, he will be excellent. He’s a great shooter, a decent slasher with excellent body control, an accomplished passer, and he can D-up a lot of points. But his confidence is a HUGE problem, and as you said, his confidence can be jolted by bodying him up a bit.
    And Manu is actually a pretty good defender. Or did you mean when he first started, he wasn’t good?
    NBK: So you meant purely defensively? That makes more sense, I guess. Offensively, Duncan can play the pick and shoot the ball MORE than well enough to play the four just as effectively.
    Bryan: People were really just waiting for Rubio to explode more than he has, is really the case.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Mark Jackson is a fine comparison IMO, except Rubio should be a better defender. But what would be so bad about being Mark Jackson? That’s so totally different then what people were saying at the beginning of this, Luke Ridnour for example

  • JTaylor21

    Are you kidding me? Comparing Fabio to one of the greatest PGs of all time is blasphemy. What has dude shown you for you to compare him to MJackson?

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    @Allen: Rubio has a better first step, better dribble moves, better court vision, and (I THINK assuming it translates, and Europeans don’t have a good history of this in the NBA) better hands and iso defense. I think Rubio’s floor is Mark Jackson. Jackson NEVER had the dribble moves like Rubio pulls off on a regular basis. Jackson was flashy on the pass like a mofo, but he wasn’t breaking ankles like (I believe) Rubio can.

  • monkeyball

    @marcel mutoni: While I know must posters on this site don’t care about such things, you got to get your grammar straight! “Ever since the Minnesota Timberwolves made him the fifth pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, Ricky Rubio has never indicated that he ever intends to don a Timberwolf uniform” and “It’s hasn’t all been positive, though, but as Rubio has experienced personal struggles on the basketball court.” are not lines I like to see under the byline of a top-notch reporter for a top-notch publication.

  • flipnoyce

    Enough said, Rubio doesn’t have any say to where he wants to play but to just get in the league and prove what his capabilities are(timberwolves). Only then we could judge this Punk.He’s been a pro since age 16 so playing against grown and bigger man should not be a problem.

  • Ryan

    Sasha Vujacic> Rubio

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Ricky Rubio is Mark Macon.
    Maybe Todd Lichti.
    Mark Jackson? At best, maybe?
    Maybe even Theo Papaloukas.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t mean purely defensively but that was carrying the most weight in that statement. I also feel that Splitter doesn’t posses the strength or shooting ability to be an effective compliment next to Duncan and the new Spurs offensive system.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I never said Luke, although Luke was hyped as a potential star back in the day and got that Team USA invite if you remember.
    Jtaylor
    You have to read more closely before you get so outraged. I said that without a jumper, his ceiling is probably Mark Jackson because while he’s a good if not great passer, he doesn’t have the raw athletic ability of someone like Rondo and Kidd, which allows them to be threats on offense even without a jumper. Especially Kidd.
    I said that was his ceiling, as in best case scenario. Not that he was automatically on the same level as Jackson. This is what I wrote:
    Maybe you are Jason Kidd and Rondo without the crazy athleticism, which makes roughly Mark Jackson, maybe. That’s nice and all, but that’s Mark Jackson.
    Mark Jackson is was a very good player, but he wasn’t Jason Kidd. He wasn’t Steve Nash. He wasn’t on that level because he didn’t have the athletic ability to dominate without a jumper, and he never got a wet jumper.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    If Rubio can’t shoot when he’s 24 or 25 then we might have an issue. Right now? He’s very good in other areas and I think once he gets work in with the right coach he’ll be an effective spot up shooter, and possibly shoot ok off the dribble. He’ll never be Steve Nash, but he won’t be God Shammgod either.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I think he’s already a better defender and equal passer to Mark. But yeah I can live with that comparison.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So many players never develop jumpers. I would wager more never develop then, then do develop them.
    And he’s been hooping professionally since he was 14 and has had the same problem. And it’s one of the problems that is easily correctable with hard work and coaching. You can’t make yourself more athletic, but you can make yourself into a knockdown shooter if you put in the work.
    Why hasn’t he put in the work? I don’t understand.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    You are underrating Mark Jackson as a passer.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen isn’t rubio still being schooled with a tutor? I don’t think he spends as much time hooping as everyone assumes he does. When he comes over that’s all he will be doing. That’s what makes those guys in the NBA so good, or so much better then they were in college/pre-nba they put in work all day, everyday.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Tiago will be much better next season. No one(except tim) looks great in their first year with the spurs. AND tiago missed camp with an injury. He will be fine.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Nah, I think he was a fantastic passer. I think Rubio is better. Flashier definitely but I actually believe his speed/quickness advantage, however small, over Jax opens up different lanes for his passes. I don’t know why he didn’t put in the work though, it’s a concern and anything I say will sound like an excuse because what else could it be? We don’t know what his coaches are telling him. It’s not like college when they’re trying to develop you for the next level, to them this is the highest level. They don’t have the same time or intent to develop certain areas. The onus is on Ricky. He is so good in his role, I would hazard to guess his coaches don’t even care how he shoots as long as he plays well.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBk
    Please. I guarantee you that dude has a oodles of time to work on that jumper.
    And, dude is a pro. It’s like a pro player going to school in the offseason, which is when most pros make their biggest improvements.
    Maybe he doesn’t think it’s that big a deal. Which is what is scary to me. Like Kidd didn’t think it was a big deal. Like Rondo doesn’t think it’s a big deal. Like Mo Cheeks didn’t think it was a big deal, or Brevin Knight.

  • izzo

    Allenp: I think you’re underrating Rubio’s athleticism, or at least his quickness. If he was in the NBA now, he’d be among the best perimeter defenders. He looks like Gary Payton at times on D, a guy who developed a servicable jumper eventually.
    It’s worth mentioning that European stats aren’t really comparable to the NBA, it’s not a stats game. Look at any Euro or even US players who have done well in the NBA’s European numbers, they’re never not underwhelming.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Todd Day minus the scoring.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Co sign Izzo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I see you on that Allen. i read an interview with him from what i thought was right before the WC’s last year, he said he was still being tutored. And had some other responses that led me to believe he genuinely craves to be great at basketball and is a student of the game. i don’t want to judge his work ethic because i literally have no clue how much time he puts in, or has the opportunity to put in over in europe. i sure hope he doesn’t go about improving the way Kidd and Rondo did, that would be terrible for his development, as he doesn’t have that same type of athleticism to rely on. (remember how fast kidd was? omg i feel like people forgot, dude was a demon)

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    You can’t get caught up in the stats on this guy at all. The bottom line to me is that he looked like he belonged with those NBA guys in the olympics. Euroball is a whole different ball game over there. Team above individual, never intending to create offense for themselves if it means costing the team. In NBA ball, Rubio will initially be out of his comfort zone, but eventually he will get a floater and probably be a serviceable three point threat.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Maybe he’s Darryl Walker…

  • Mike from Spain

    @ flipnoyce minor correction -> he’s played with the pros in Spain since age 14. I agree with you all that his development has stalled some, but plenty of sports journalists in Spain say that his playing style would favour a team that goes on the fastbreak. His game is about defensive stops, running and flashy passes on the run, he can also do some nice passes when in midcourt offense, but his strong suit is the break. I didn’t think he’s all that slow but certainly, there are quicker people in the NBA

  • ab40

    just prove your worth with a two year contract in minnesota. boston miami or new york. cute just play ball and prove your worth. Keven Love and Michael Beasley arn’t bad players darko is servicable and the webster, brewer and that kid from syracuse is a nice trio on the two spot. Just go to minnesota and think for yourself instead of parasites who call themselves senior advisors

  • Mike from Spain

    @ izzo @5:40 another thing is that European stats are a little different. The way we count assists, an Euro point guard might be getting, say, 6 assists per game, but if you count the assists as in the NBA, you’d be looking at 9 or 10. Counted the European way, Rondo would not be averaging 12 apg or so, he’d be averaging something like 8 – 10.

  • JTaylor21

    “If he was in the NBA now, he’d be among the best perimeter defenders. He looks like Gary Payton at times on D”, really? I can’t believe that someone just compared dude to one of the greatest defenders of all-time. I mean you compared a guy who supposedly locks down slow europeans to a guy who guarded MJ better than anyone in history. This comment section looks like hiroshima after the atomic bomb with that statement.

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    @nbk: Tiago isn’t a bad shooter from midrange, maybe you know more about the offense than I do but I don’t think there would be a problem with Duncan/Tiago offensively. Unless you mean the problem is that he isn’t better than the other three players he plays behind. I’m not arguing that Tiago wont get the game and become a serviceable big (hell, I don’t think 20-8 is out of the range of possibility), but right now he looks lost out there. The American game is way different. It really has nothing to do with Duncan, who has changed his game so many times, I don’t believe he wouldn’t be able to do it again.
    Allen: You REALLLLY think Rubio’s ceiling is Mark Jackson? You think Mark Jackson had the dribble moves, the defense, the court vision and hell, even the ATHLETICISM Rubio has? Rubio certainly has better hops, but I think he’s slightly faster, certainly has more body control… the only thing Rubio doesn’t have is Jackson’s strength, but that’s why Jackson preferred to post up while Rubio breaks guys down from the top of the lane.
    Really, as all the hypers (myself included) brought their expectations down to earth, it seems those who were skeptical brought their expectations down too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Izzo
    Here is the thing about the defense. Dude can play defense, I watched him. He was locking up a lot of those Euro cats. But, those Euro cats didn’t have the type of speed and athleticism as NBA cats, particularly not the cats playing point guard right now. Point guard is the toughest position in the league right now. There are NO nights off pretty much. I can’t think of a single team in the league who doesn’t have a point guard who can embarass you fairly easily if you aren’t on top of your game.
    I keep thinking about how Durant was just abusing those Euro cats like it was nothing, and how they had no chance to stay in front of him. And how Kleiza was killing over there. I wonder if he looks so great on defense because everybody else is slower and so bad on defense.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Let’s hope he’s not Tate George.
    Tate George 2.0?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Clearly you don’t remember how Mark Jackson looked when he first came into the league.
    Dude had dribble moves, particularly a mean spin move when he was younger. He wasn’t a blazer, but he wasn’t a complete turtle either.
    Basically, when he was young, he played like a young slow dude. Faster than he was when he was older, but nowhere near what Jason Kidd was doing when he first came in the league.
    You can’t compare Rubio to cats like Rondo and Kidd because they were ridiculously quick. Like, not average or above average, but extraordinary.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, Mark Jackson is underrated athletically…

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, do you really believe that Rubio is a better passer than MJackson? You don’t get to be top-5 all-time in assists without having great court vision. Rubio is an overrated passer in my opinion.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Mark Jackson’s nickname WAS “The Turtle”.

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    Allen: Yeah, I’ll totally concede that 75% of my memories of Mark Jackson are Pacer memories. But I still think I can say that, PURELY ON PAPER, Rubio has more moves and is a better athlete. I mean, Jackson has the strength advantage, and that’s it. If Rubio is worse than Mark Jackson, it would be a complete failure on Rubio’s part.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    We all know you probably haven’t watched Rubio play JTaylor, hell you probably haven’t even seen Mark Jackson in his prime.

  • izzo

    Allen
    I realize that, and maybe I’m overstating how immediate his effectiveness will be, but I believe that his defensive awareness, instincts and on-ball D are good enough that it’s hard to see him being at worst a really good defender in the Lig. As an one on one defender, he’s ridiculously active. I can’t really think of a current NBA player who’s as dogged and committed a defender as what I see in Rubio. I do think that one area where his lack of athleticism, or at least him being on a lower tier of athleticsm, is that he has a very Payton-esque style of commit and recover. He can do it in Europe-try for a steal or disrupt his opponent but getting back into position without being punished. I can’t see him doing that against Russell Westbrook.

  • MrSuper

    Rubio is as Theo Papaloukas? Since when?
    Oh you mean is worth as? Mmmm no.
    Theo has proved his chops way earlier than Rubio. We are talking about a guy still competing at Eurolegue level in his twillight years and play pg sg and sf like few people in the world. AND he has better court vision than Rubio.
    Don’t underestimate him because he wasn’t hyped early in his career and worked his way up.

  • JTaylor21

    Don’t be mad becauase I’m not di*k-riding another sorry a** european that the media hypes up in their search for the next great white hope. Never in a billion years will Fabio come close to achieving or being as good as MJack was.

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    JTaylor21: Yeah, Mark Jackson’s passing achievements are pretty great, but put it into perspective: Mark Jackson had a 17-year career where he pretty much averaged eight assists, playing 30 minutes a game. And yeah, he’s 3rd all time total, but he’s actually 13th on the APG list. Playing in the twilight of his career certainly hurt his placement on the APG list, but it’s still telling.
    Rubio averages around 4-5 assists a game in Europe, averaging around 20-25 minutes a game. This is in Europe, where assists are rarely awarded when a dribble is taken and many bigmen have trouble finishing passes. That sounds AROUND even to me, honestly. Yeah, if you held a gun to my head and asked me to tell you who was a better passer, Mark Jackson at his height and Ricky Rubio now, I’d probably give you Action Jackson. But Ricky Rubio ain’t a slouch for being a worse passer than The Turtle, and 1-With his better breakdown dribble moves, he’ll get a few extra passes and 2-he can still improve, he’s only 21.
    So that’s that.
    PLEASE also keep in mind, I don’t care for Mark Jackson THAT much. I think I can name about twenty point guards I’d rather take over Mark Jackson, so if you disagree with that statement, we probably have a disagreement on how good Jackson really was.

  • flipnoyce

    @Mike from Spain- I was going to put 14 at first but wasn’t sure. Anyway, I’ve seen highlights of him and the boy could play! I’ve seen ridiculous passes from him and it reminded me that he has that NASH like-ish in him. Defense is always A plus in the NBA due to lack there of because the LEAGUE choose scorers over stoppers first. I’m sure he can improve on other things like shooting, just like some of the NBA vet in the league who didn’t have it at first. But he needs to come aboard to showcase his abilities so that he can improve on things that he is not good at while he is still young.Rubio needs to learn that a spot on a championship team is earn due to hard work and not hype.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Mr.Super:
    Just throwing names around.
    Don’t read too much into it.
    Co-sign what you said, though. I wholly respect Papaloukas’s game. I wish he played in The League.
    What about Johnny Dawkins?…

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, fair point and I actually agree with your last statement even though twenty other PGs being better than him is too high a number. Would you mind naming all twenty for me? I better not see SNash there (I kidd I kidd)

  • Mr. PJ Jones

    Seems to me like Mr. Rubio wants to play in ATLANTA. We’ll be waiting for you Pete Maravich.

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    *deep breath*
    Magic Johnson, Big O, Isiah Thomas, John Stockton, Ason Kidd, Walt Frazier, Tiny, Gary Payton, Bob Cousy, Kevin Johnson, Chauncy Billups, Maurice Cheeks, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Tim Hardaway, Deron Williams, Gail Goodrich, Dennis Johnson, Fat Lever, Mark Price, Alvin Robertson, Lenny Wilkins, and Penny before the injuries.
    And I didn’t even mention Steve Nash!
    That’s a list just pulled out of my @$$, I’m sure a few are off-base, but that gives you an idea of how I think of Mark Jackson. He just appeared to me as the perfect point guard for a team that isn’t centered around their point guard. It’s all opinion, I just ain’t a fan.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, pretty good list and I actually agree with everyone expect for Billups, Parker, Lever and Cousy. I think that billups and parker would have just as hard a time winning a chip if they had to go up against the 90s bulls every year, even though MJack was that great a shooter, Cousy’s shooting numbers are horrendous and I haven’t seen Lever play that much, so it’s a personal perference.

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    This Kid is A diva enough said. If I had a chance to play in the NBA I would take it in a heartbeat I dont care if I had to play on the Cavaliers playing basketball is fun already but to get paid for playing the sport I love now thats amazing. He shouldnt even say were he wants to play he hasnt proved anything to anyone and wants to be on the East coast shut the f*ck up and go to the team that drafted you you b*tch. Whats so good about him anyways he cant shoot his defense sucks man give me SMUSH PARKER OVER THIS GUY.

  • MrSuper

    co sign Jukai on tim Hardaway.
    @ The Philosopher: I really respect Theo’s game even though he plays for the enemy these days. I don’t know if anyone here has seen him in his early days. He was a high rising dunker. Worked his way up from the small greek clubs to the big Euroleague contracts. He is what a baller should aspire to be. A total talent and a tireless workhorse. He could never be in the NBA because he started from so low; he would never get drafted.
    On this Rubio case now… the kid was schooled and preped from a very young age. If he comes to the NBA it will be tough for him and IMO he will crack. He is used in playing at a high level but… I don’t know if you can catch my drift here… he always had it easy. He always had the good teamates that can finish his plays. He was always protected. He never had a really mean defender on his back.
    Don’t get me wrong, defense is a major component of european ball these days, but if you’ve palyed some then you know how it is to have people after you physicaly. Heck, in my playground days I was the mean one and I’m telling you, you can crack a guy like Rubio.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    ^ Ha ha I just pictured Garnett hounding the sh*t out of Rubio, bringing him to tears.
    I haven’t seen enough of him though to know how tough he is.

  • trellos in ny

    @Mrsuper
    i totally agree with everything you have stated..u have proved that u know what u are talking about and you see the game the same way i also see it…not only because you are a PAO fan but i really was impressed by your comments…

  • http://sjdfklfsl.com Jukai

    Enigmatic: Hell, Rubio could be cracked (look at Goran!!!!) but I mean, Garnett tried to hound Calderon and Calderon embarrassed him. JOSE CALDERON. So there is that.

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    WOW! If you take someone elses’ information in your screen, not only will you see their e-mail and website, but also their comments under moderation. Way to GO Slam!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Jukai, yeah I thought about KG and Calderon too. Guess he expected dude to pull a Big Baby.

  • Big C

    He’s dumb for not playing in Minni. Give me a Rubio beastly love tandem and see what they can do in five years.

  • HAMMER

    The kid might b a diva,but its alright cuz he still a kid. He shouldn’t b crucified 4 that. Give him a break. Its his choice 2 play n spain just like it was lbj’s choice 2 play n miami,yet every1 is ok w/that right? (Besides cavs fans that is) I don’t care what team Ricky plays 4,as long as he is on display n the L. Kid has the talent 2 b special

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Anyone except long time T-Wolves fans don’t really have any room to critize Rubio’s decision, especially if your against the age limit rules that force kids to play for free when they shouldn’t have to.

  • Groves

    Maybe rubio could get a gig for the ATlanta HAwks.

  • buggalicious

    he just knows he cant make it in the nbe so hes making up excuses to not come over and play. wadawanker!

  • tavoris

    Rubio’s numbers look a lot like Shaun Livingston’s career numbers. I said it two years ago, and I haven’t seen anything to show me his ceiling is higher.

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    Tavoris: Wha? Shaun Livingston had immense talent and had the ceiling to be one of the best PGs ever. Do you mean injured Shaun Livingston?

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    I hope Minny takes a stand and bars him from the NBA unless he plays for them.

  • JTaylor21

    How long does it have to take for CP’s name to be mentioned in the MVP talk? I mean he’s taken an average hornets team to the 3rd best record in the west, he leads the L in steals while shooting 48% from the field, 47% from 3 and 90% from the line. He deserves to the be the MVP at this moment as much as any other guy.

  • http://slamonline.com Eldon Khorshidi

    Rubio held his own (and arguably cracked) Rose and RussWess over the summer…. that’s gotta say something

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Something to keep in mind is that in the NBA, teams will ‘contract’ their players to HAVE to get in the gym (like the Bucks do with their guys – twice a week every player needs to get in the gym for a session) and work on their strength and conditioning. ANY/EVERY team in the NBA system has great coaching, so working on his 3pt shot isn’t a problem: D.Rose, W. Chandler, C. Frye, M. Bonner, R. Rondo are a handful of guys that have developed their outside shots/range and Rubio WILL be governed in a similar fashion. Don’t forget Rubio is an NBA FAN….not an NBA player first and foremost. Not many guys looking from the outside think of the T-Wolves as being a particularly great taste to get your rookie run. It’s the ‘glamour’ of other teams in the league that have Rubio’s eye and if not anything else – that shows he is a young as heck kid with basketball jones.

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    JTaylor21: As the Hornets win, so does Chris Paul’s MVPs chances. And so does my smile at all the Deron Williams supporters.

  • CT9

    That’s a lot of comments, but here is my 2 cents. Stupid reporting from a stupid reporter. You never hear it straight from Rubio or his agent that he doesn’t want to come to Minnesota. It’s always, head of the Rubio camp, a representative, his homie from the hood, his dog, someone that knows him from somewhere. People get too worked up over stupid reporting when it’s not straight from Rubio.

  • http://airtsinelas21.blogspot.com Roy

    Rubio for Rondo — Hell no!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ROFL trade Felton for Rubio? WTF?! Also, Rubio didn’t “crack” anyone. I think most of this Rubio hype comes from Americans–I have RARELY seen a European fan hype Rubio up the way the media/fans do in America… Just saying.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Yeah, and people are calling CP over rated. He is the best PG in the L. No other PG would have this roster, with this schedule, at 30-16.
    Allen, are we still pretending Deron is better??

  • Mike From Spain

    @ The Ambassador, @ 7:09 Rubio is not coming to play to the NBA right away because he would have to pay his buyout of a few million out of his own pocket to come to the NBA to an (at best) second tier team, in what to him amounts to be ‘in the middle of nowhere’. At home he is a superstar, in Minny he’d be sitting half the time on the bench, getting no love. No wonder the decision is tough. But if he wants to be great, he should go to play with the T Wolves. This June he will have no buyout to pay, he’ll e free.

  • rikson

    Its funny how the same people who always complain, if somebody talks about the NBA without seeing too much of it, will make dump statements about a guy playing in europe, whom they probably have never seen play! American duoblestandards.. never ending story! (funny though…)

  • Mike From Spain

    How about trading Rubio to the Lakers? They sure need a defensive minded pass first point guard, they already have the bigs and Kobe to score

  • http://www.slamonline.com Coney Islander

    Rudy Fernandez is WAY better than this kid and he’s a 6th man! NBA PG’s will eat this kids lunch! He’s 6’3 with long are-fantastic that makes him an average NCAA PG. He’s gonna guard Deron Williams (who is his size?) ABSOLUTELY NOT!All this NBA talk is funny most of the guards in the ACC and SEC would do it to this kid. Slam I beg you, no more Rubio talk, lets reserve the NBA forum for people in the NBA!

  • roebro

    give him to the Nets!

  • Fat Lever

    Blame Lebron!

  • http://www.b-ballistics.com Darksaber

    Well he sure has one award he can take to the bank. Elite status among the most commented on Slamonline. Lebron, Rose, Kobe-level commenting for Ricky Rub? Sad.

  • Mike From Spain

    Hi Coney Islander, just review the video of the 2008 Olympics finals. I am not arguing that he could maintain this level or this kind of plays throughout a season, but it is a small measure of what the kid can measure up against. He’s not just a plain average NCAA PG, I assure you that.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Rube Rube Rubio. Whoa.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Nick Jonas is not going to be a great NBA player.

  • Jeff H

    Rubio is a nice player who has talent no doubt about it. I just wish he would put his head down and come to the NBA and prove himself. Then if you want to talk and say where you want to go that’s your call. Just have the play to back it up. Plus there could be a lot worse things for a pg then most likely starting and playing with Beasley an K-love.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    I’ve watched Rubio play atleast 10 games this year. I DVR his games on NBATV which are more frequent then you would expect

  • Mike From Spain

    @nbk that’s plenty more games than I have seen of him lately, I heard that he’s playing horrible lately…

  • tavoris

    Jukai-not “potential” Shaun Livingston (thanks for givin him his props)…with every poor-shooting, high turnover game Rubio posts, he looks more and more like the substance won’t exceed the flash.

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  • Charles

    Rubio can’t pick and choose where he wants to go! Are you kidding! This guy is a joke….

  • john

    This guy isn’t all that great of a player,he is only looking out for himself.He Wants to be with a winning team without the sacrifice.He needs to earn his pay and respect.To be the best you have to play against the best and thats in the NBA.He has no class.

  • Naderneculo

    Rubio should go to the NBA. And not worry about anything but trying to play ball in the best league in the world; because after all the NBA i without a doubt the best league. Writers will write, haters will hate. So be it, hes got to give it a shot though, and he has proven he has the skill… only then will he prove his worth.
    If it doesn’t work out, Barcelona will take him back with arms wide open. Even Madrid for that matter

  • manu

    rubio is good, he has proven he can play with the best. If he wants to develop into the player the hype indicates he will be, then he has some work to do.
    He is a fool though if he wants to go anywhere else but minnisota especially for a pass first point guard to pass up the opportunity to play with 2 all star caliber good big men (hell even darko finally showed some upside at least defensively).

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