Wednesday, February 16th, 2011 at 12:15 pm  |  55 responses

Amar’e Stoudemire: Not an Al Horford Fan

by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

The last time the Knicks and Hawks faced off, tempers flared, and punches were thrown. Amar’e Stoudemire wasn’t involved in the fracas, but he left the game angry with the loss and Al Horford’s antics.

Amar’e is still fired up about Horford, and plans to send a message to Al and the Hawks tonight in New York.

Newsday reports:

“I said it before, he don’t want to see me, man,” Stoudemire said. “I watched him play in Florida [in college] and I’ve seen him play a few years in Atlanta. We have two different games. We’ll see after [tonight] … It’s going to be a very intense game,” he said. “After what happened in Atlanta, we feel we could have played better . . . [tonight's] going to be a very important game for us.” The Stoudemire-Horford feud didn’t really develop until after that game in Atlanta, when Stoudemire said Horford “needs to calm down. He’s not that type of player. He don’t want to see me any night, so he might as well relax and calm down.”

Later that night on his Twitter account, Horford wrote, “Great win over The knicks tonight. Everyone came out an did their part. And YES! I am that kind of player, who does what he needs to win…” Stoudemire Tuesday said Horford may have felt good about what he was doing in the game in Atlanta but seemed to suggest things will be different at the Garden when he said, “Welcome to New York.”

Right. So, tonight should be a fun little matchup at MSG.

The biggest concern regarding STAT isn’t his personal beef with Al Horford, it has to do with the health of his sprained right big toe. It remains to be seen if Stoudemire will be healthy enough to take part in this weekend’s All-Star game.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    “I watched him play in college and I’ve watched his first few seaons in the NBA.” Sounds like a fan to me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think my money would be on STAT.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    naw he’s a florida boy, has no choice but to watch UF…especially on that run they were on. One of the great college basketball squads of the last few years….anyways yeah, lets see who wants to play defense. Amar’e is definitely gonna get his off.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I bet Amar’e wins the scoring matchup, that’s it. ANd Knicks fans won’t see how that’s a problem

  • mp7three

    Of course he doesn’t like Horford…someone who plays defense & doesn’t play only to score is gonna give Amare a complex. Good defense isn’t mean weak side blocks you pose after but trying to stop your man from scoring…or at least trying and not playing that matador Suns/Knicks Amare style.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    co-sign mp7three

  • dsleepy

    so he’s gonna “hulk out” ?

  • Dirtybird

    Maybe he can get baited into another tech.

  • doyouwantmore

    He’s just mad at Horford because Horford uses this weird technique called defense.

  • burnt_chicken

    I’ll take that bet, Eboy. You giving odds?
    I’m predicting Horford with the eyepoke for the win.

  • Fat Lever

    NBA players are not fighters, so all this “rah rah” talk is all for the birds. You do what it takes to win, Horford gets that. Like mp7three said above, it seems as though Stoudemire is more concerned with looking good first, then winning. How Amar’e only gets 8.6rpg is beyond me. Someone with that size and athleticism could be grabbing 12+. Horford avg’s almost 1.5 more per game, and plays less minutes. But NY loves a talker, so Amar’e fits right in.

  • el_larsen

    co-sign mp7three

  • Jalepino Sauce Age

    co sign Fat Lever & co signed el larsen. Chill out Stat & lets see some D for once. Homeboy knows Mellos comming to town so he can talk some trash. Didn’t Amare contribute to Blake Griffins commin’ out party ? Ish was ill !

  • Gus

    co-sign Fat Lever

  • Sparker

    ask tj ford if he thinks horford is dirty

  • Sparker

    and since amare averages 25.5 ppg against atl, i’m not sure i’d be so quick to praise al’s lockdown d

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I mean, it’s never a good thing for two players to fight in front of thousands of fans, and possibly millions of people watching at home.
    But, there has been SO MUCH sh*t-talking this season amongst players, and not a damn one has backed up his talk with fisticuffs. And it’s getting kind of old.
    I’m saying, either just shut the hell up and play or bring it, don’t sing it, nahmean?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Horford is a better all-around player and traditional big man than Stoudemire will ever be. He irritates me playing like a freaking SG instead of getting down dirty in the post.

  • Drew

    STAT is the better player by far. Especially this season.


    STAT wishes he was half the defender Horford is…that’s what grinds his gears.

  • Cizzo


  • Riggs

    wow so many people missed the damn point of what stat was saying that its laughable. Stat was talking about horford talking ish after they had won. Who in the hell said anything about defense? smfh. Also to the question about why stat has such low rebounds? because the whole team including him is running towards the other side of the court trying to initiate a fast break while the sole person who grabs the rebound kicks it out, its the essence of the d’antoni system.

  • hoodsnake

    At the end of the day the dude with the W gets bragging rights in my book. This rah rah bs is all gravy.

  • Irony

    “wow so many people missed the damn point of what stat was saying that its laughable.”

    No, YOU’RE missing the point. Horford didn’t talk any trash during the last game. It all started when your boy Ann Mare started mocking the ATL crowd which got Horford fired up. He then wen into beast mode by blocking some of Ann Maries shots, beating on his chest and gesturing to the crowd to get hype while Ann Marie was at the Free Throw line…There was no talking involved….just beasting

    Also I dont think annie has watched enough Al Horford, he CLEARLY doesn’t know what he’s saying:


    Get Familar

  • Irony

    Big Al has SPOKEN!: “He’s a talker. He’s going to talk, you know what I’m saying?” he said at shootaround today. “All I do is bring my game to the court. That’s what I will do tonight.” And another one: “I don’t understand what he means by I don’t want to see him,” Horford said. “Like we are supposed to be scared of him or something. Ain’t nobody scared of nobody. We are all grown men. It’s all good.” and Another: “I walked out with the W’s the last two times,” Horford said. “So that’s that.” OOh, more? “He’s making a huge deal out of this,” Horford said. “It’s just another game. I’m coming out ready to play, like I do everything night.” YES, MORE! Al loves the Garden: “We’re playing at the Garden, man,” he said. “It doesn’t get any bigger than this, at least for me. Any time I come to New York I am looking forward to it, pre-Amare Stoudemire and with him being here. So I am just excited to play.”

  • Irony

    Ann Mare should know that he’s not in the sissy western confrence anymore. Like I said, he needs to get familar: “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJiu5s0G_Q”

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Horford gets man handled every year in the playoffs when he faces a real big. He could barely handle the Bogut-less Bucks last year and Dwight destroyed him. I dont watch much Hawks basketball, but I know Amare is the far better player.

  • bnets

    Horford has healthier knees than amare

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^Kap.. are you out of your mind? horford a better all around player than amare? no, not at all bud.. not even close.. he is more of a traditional big yes but he does not have the athleticitism, range, or offense that amare posseses.. he is a better defender and slightly better rebounder and thats it

  • fruizm

    there are gonna be some awkward moments this weekend inside the East locker room….dwade and KG, amare and horford!!

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    Makes a regular season matchup at least a bit interesting.

  • bashmo

    Horford is a very quality, balanced big. In my eyes Amare is a bit overrated and he is certainly not a massive challenge to defend unless he is rolling off a pick. A big with size and good feet could easily D up Amare. The keys to defending him are keeping him out of the paint and bodying up, since he doesn’t have a post game. Keep him outside the key and you’re set. Hand in his face to negate his jumper, which he will get off, thats a given, but doing so will give him great struggles like he had against the Spurs earlier in the season. Dejuan Blair guarded STAT better than few have that I’ve ever seen. Doesnt take much.

    I think if Amare had a postgame and put more effort solely in rebounding, he’d be in the discussion for top players in the league period. But the lack of these elements keeps him from taking that next step.

  • LA Huey

    Why are people calling dudes out for not throwing punches? If you talk ish we just want you to back it up with your game. Don’t let it come to blows in a game of basketball.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Stat needs to focus on Defense not Horford and maybe the Knicks have a better overall record. BOOK IT!!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    People constantly criticize STAT for his rebounding, but it really isn’t that bad. 8.6 rebounds is more than respectable for a power-forward… Lamarcus Aldridge is pulling down less than that, and Kevin McHale averaged 9.9 boards per game only once in his career (that was his highest). Chill.
    Also @ bashmo: The Spurs can guard anybody because they have great TEAM defense. Criticizing Amare’s offensive prowess is like criticizing Greg Popovich’s coaching. Amare is one of the best scorers in this league–and you don’t need me to tell you that.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    NVM, sry, Aldridge is pulling down 8.9 rpg.

  • Ronald

    Heh, Sissy western conference. I’m sure Amare is more than glad to be in the conference where teams like Nets/Bucks/Wizards/Cavs exist.

  • tavoris

    @BETCATS-Amare IS a better player-no question. However, Horford has a bigger impact on WINNING basketball(IMHO), since he actually plays both ends.

    @Teddy-Amare should be getting just as many rebounds as Blake Griffin gets. He should have gotta 10 a game at least ONCE in his career, with his quickness and athleticism.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Amare is a better scorer by far. Horford is better at everything else easily. Kind of the same thing as Bosh vs. Josh Smith.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=547860583 bashmo

    @Teddy, STAT is a solid scorer but he isnt one of the top scorers in the league. He is not a top scorer because he isnt a fundamentally sound scorer. The best scorers in the league can kill you from nearly anywhere.Kobe, Melo and Dirk are easily some of the top scorers and are great examples of dudes who can perform a plethora of moves to score.

    A player like Dirk is a better scorer than Stoudemire because of his versatility and also the fact that he is damn near unguardable. Man can drive, pump fake, up and under, fade away from the post, shoot the three, etc. Stoudemire is limited to operating from a face up position or shooting the J. Thats about it for him offensively. No backing down Js or up and unders and fakes, etc. He is sort of one dimensional,and isn’t absolutely difficult to guard. Did you watch that game against SA? They went one on one coverage with Blair on STAT almost the whole game. What Stoudemire to put such great numbers up is his power and strength, and his ability to finish around the rim which to his credit, is no doubt the best in the league among big men.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ bashmo: And that’s WHY he’s one of the top scorers in the league. It doesn’t matter HOW you get the ball in the hoop–what matters are the ACTUAL POINTS being put up on the board. Amare isn’t just an athletic body. He has an incredible touch around the rim and his mid-range is pretty automatic.
    I’m assuming you’d tell me Melo is a better scorer than LeBron because he has “more moves” too, right? No disrespect, but that’s a load of hogwash.
    Also, Blair is a pretty good defender and the Spurs have great team defense. STAT plays one not-so-great game against a defensive powerhouse and that makes him “easy to guard?” Come on now.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Yeah, what was that about everyone saying Horford will play worse but get the W so it doesn’t matter?

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: You know, Bob Lanier had way more moves than Shaq. Lanier must be the superior scorer.

  • Eph da Chef

    amare doesnt wanna see big al. al does nothing wrong hes just solid man. dont get me wrong if you watch him youll know that amare is the best low post scorer in the league. but big al is still my man

  • R.C.L

    Amar’e Stoudemire needs to grow up.
    End of story.

  • O

    Is Heb Williams REALLY working for the Knicks, or has he been collecting Unemployment checks from the city, and just chilling on the Knicks bench for the past 2 decades?

  • O


  • riggs

    @irony: oh the irony. Also anne mare is one of the stupidest “disses” ive seen on this website. stop it.

  • Jay Reyes

    uhmmm… the Knicks won… so stfu!!!


    Hawks down… POW!

  • bashmo

    No way, the number of points one puts up is also factored by team offense, talent level of teammates, number of shots/game and such. So Blake Griffin putting up 22+ points a game makes him a better scorer than Pau Gasol? and Eric Gordon putting up 24+ ppg makes him a better scorer than Joe Johnson? Melo is a better scorer than Lebron. Melo is a pure scorer, lebron is a combo, he can facilitate and score. Melo can score nearly at will and can kill you from anywhere, from the block, from mid, from range, etc. You do need to look at what players are capable of when you talk about them as scorers. Shaq’s unique combination of massive frame and touch from the block allowed him to excel. He had a couple of decent up and unders but it was really his size and touch that made his scoring output, thus making him incredibly difficult to guard without fouling.

    Stoudemire is different. He has arguably the best finishing ability among big men in the league and a great midrange jumper…but someone like Dirk is a better scorer. It is not arguable that its harder to guard Dirk than Amare.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dirk has a better jumper.
    And what else?
    Does he handle better than Amare?
    Does he drive better than Amare?
    Is he more difficult in the low post?
    On the fast break?
    On put backs?

    the point is very arguable

  • bashmo

    Neither Dirk or Amare use ball handling to get to where they want. Dirk drive, pump fake, up and under, fade away from the post, shoot the three. He may not have the athleticism or speed but he has all the right moves on offense.

    Amare has no post game. None whatsoever. So hes not a factor in the low post with his back to the basket.

  • DaTruth

    The whole point of what Amar’e said is that Horford is a big talker, a punk. He cheapshots little guards like TJ Ford and yaps away at everyone else. Amar’e would beat him to death if he ever hit him like Horford hit TJ. Amare is just annoyed with a fugazi like Horford. As Amar’e said, he just needs to calm down. Phony.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    LMAO, please. On the few occasions Horford was matched up on Amare in that game Horford owned him. It’s not his fault his teammates were too f*cking stupid to get him the ball and decided to jack up jump shots instead. I see idiot Raptor fans are still catching feelings about Horford accidentally clocking Ford three years ago, trying to distract from the fact that their team is irrelevant and worthless.