Thursday, February 10th, 2011 at 8:30 am  |  140 responses

Post Up: Knicks Get Clipped

Blake Griffin returns to MSG; DRose leads Bulls over Utah.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Detroit 103, Cleveland 94

For the Cavs, the problem with setting records for consecutive losses–apart from, you know, losing a whole bunch of games–is that squads are so determined not to be the team that actually gets beaten, they end up gunning for the Cavs, as if they’re a contender or something. So regardless of the fact that Cleveland couldn’t get a W when they were being completely ignored, now they’ll have to do so with every opponent trying even harder to keep this streak alive. That’d explain last night, when the Pistons visited Ohio and came away unscathed, defeating the Cavs relatively easily. Rodney Stuckey led Detroit with 22, while Antawn Jamison dropped that same number for Cleveland. The Cavs have now lost 26 in a row, tying them with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the longest losing streak amongst teams playing, um, any major pro sport. Yeah, it’s like that. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Indiana 104, Charlotte 103

The two organizations that utilized mid-season coaching changes to turn their respective seasons around faced off last night, and, with both of them fighting to sneak into the Eastern Conference Playoffs, plenty was on the line. Despite a strong Charlotte fourth quarter, the Pacers hung on, after Stephen Jackson tried and failed to draw contact from Darren Collison during a three-point attempt as the clock expired. (For what it’s worth, there was some contact, but no foul was called.) For Indy, Roy Hibbert’s hot streak persisted, as he scored 29 and grabbed 10, and Danny Granger dropped a cool 25. With the win, the Pacers grabbed that eight spot, and they now stand only a single game up on the Bobcats.

New Jersey 103, New Orleans 101

Pretty simply: When Chris Paul is off, the Hornets don’t win. Well, true, they almost did, but still. Paul shot 4-15, with only 9 points, and missed what would’ve been a game-winning three at the end of overtime as the Bees fell to the Nets. David West did a decent job making up for Paul’s (lack of) scoring, putting in 32 and snatching 15 boards in the loss. But New Jersey grinded out the victory, receiving a combined 45 points from Brook Lopez and Sasha Vujacic. The L was the Hornets’ fourth straight, knocking them down to 32-22.

Washington 100, Milwaukee 85

Yeah, it would’ve been slightly more impressive if the Wizards had done this on the road–but then it probably would’ve happened differently. Regardless, the Wiz broke an eight-game losing streak, outplaying the Bucks en route to the win. Nick Young poured in 26 stylish points, while JaVale McGee did his thing to the tune of 16 points and 17 boards.

Orlando 99, Philadelphia 95

The Magic seem to be fading in and out, but it’d be tough to blame any of the “out” on Dwight Howard. Dude beasted once again last night, dropping 30 and rebounding 17, leading the Magic to the victory. The Sixers threatened late, coming as close as two, but couldn’t foul with the game only one possession away and the clock under 20 seconds, and Orlando got a bucket that sealed things up. All five Magic starters scored in double figures in the win.

San Antonio 111, Toronto 100

The thing about teams with League-leading records is that they have who, when needed, can step up and fill in when the superstars aren’t getting it done. See: Blair, Dejaun, and the 28 points he scored last night in helping the Spurs defeat the Raps. Sixteen of those 28 came in the fourth, when San Antonio outscored Toronto 30-16 and went on one of those runs that just can’t be stopped–well, at least when you’re the Raptors and they’re the Spurs. Tim Duncan and Tony Parker each contributed a mild 16 points to the W.

Chicago 91, Utah 86

You’d think Carlos Boozer might want to show up his old squad, by shutting them down and putting up some huge numbers. Nope. Not only did Booz not show out the way he should’ve, but nobody outside of Derrick Rose really assisted much of anything last night. But DRose did enough, scoring 29 and distributing 7, carrying the Bulls to the win. They only shot 39.8 percent as a team, which kinda sums it up–except for the part where they won, that is. But big shots down the stretch can generally make that happen, and Chicago just did enough during the game’s most important moments to get the victory.

L.A. Clippers 116, New York 108

Well, Blake Griffin didn’t Mozgov anyone, but he did accomplish something he didn’t the last time he played in MSG: earn his team a victory. The Clips straight up outplayed the Knicks last night, as the ‘Bockers brought little energy and were outmatched from the start. They made a nice run late, but a variety of Randy Foye (24 points) jumpers (yeah, I don’t know) shut down any chance of them sealing that comeback. Griffin played decently, scored 21 and rebounding 6, while Amar’e Stoudemire led the Knicks with 23.

Dallas 102, Sacramento 100

Allowing the Kings to almost beat them isn’t the best look for the Mavs, but a W is a W, and Dallas pulled one out, barely. The Kings stayed right there with them through 48, but a Tyreke Evans game-saving attempt at the end got nothing but air, as the Mavs held on. JJ Barea was huge (OK, be nice) in the game, scoring 15 of his 20 in the final quarter.

Golden State 116, Denver 114

Usually when the Nuggets have possession, and are in dire need of a bucket, they know who should have the ball in his hands. Well, down two and with under 10 seconds to go, JR Smith brought the ball up the court, and, um, Nene received a pass and took a game-tying attempt. Needless to say, he missed it, and Carmelo Anthony was (rightfully) none too happy he never got a chance to tie or win the tilt in the final seconds. The Warriors escaped with the win, getting a whopping 37 points from Monta Ellis, along with another 23 from Dorell Wright. Dorell also shot 4-11 from three, and he’s gonna need to step that up if he plans to overcome the Pierces and Allens and Durants in the three-point shooting contest next week.

Actual Stats: David West: 32 points, 15 boards, 5 dimes, 3 steals

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  • Kieth Bogans

    why so much hate for Rose, after every game it seems like everyone wants either love him or hate. Bad publicity is good publicity any ways. If you don’t have haters you’re doing something wrong!

  • Keith Bogans

    why so much hate for Rose, after every game it seems like everyone wants either love him or hate. Bad publicity is good publicity any ways. If you don’t have haters you’re doing something wrong!

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Best defensive coach of all time is Tom Thibodeau.
    Naw, just playing. We’ll see though.

  • JTaylor21

    alright i’m done you can have your screen name back :( i sorry

  • http://slamonline.com nate

    Last question what really makes cp3 and d-will better then rose ? Derrick rose is obivously the best scorer so what doesn’t he have that the others have ? And don’t say “better court vision” he’s averaging 8 assist

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Basically he used the same system as D’Antoni. 7 Seconds or Less

  • Keith Bogans

    The top 3 pg played last night why is everyone only talking bout Rose? He must be that good.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Better court vision.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Nate its simple, Rose scores no more efficiently then Williams or Paul. Is a worse passer and defender then both. Has had no career success in the playoffs (not necessarily his fault, but it still matters), and he turns the ball over more then he should. This isn’t to say he isn’t a great player, infact he may be the “most valuable” of the three to his respective team, arguably that is. But he isn’t better just because he scores more points, I mean he shoots more shots then everyone in the league except Melo, Ellis, and Durant….but is like 6th in scoring, its not like he’s scoring at will, he is a volume shooter (not saying he shouldn’t be)

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    They would force their opponents to play their game though, if you ever get a chance to watch 30 for 30′s “Guru of Go” I HIGHLY recommend it.
    They would wear their opponents out.
    You would see opposing players on the sidelines with cramps, or suffering from exhaustian. It was crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If only NBA players would be willing to full-court press and stay in marathon shape, but these 82 game seasons basically take that right out of play. I will try and find that 30 for 30 online, I’m suprised I missed it, i’ve seen the majority of them.

  • http://slamonline.com nate

    Nbk in that case paul and d-will are both voulme shooters neither of them shoot the ball extremly well given that d.rose as improved yu can no longer say that a reason there better . And to say he’s the worst defender is not really a rock soild arugment just because paul and williams gamble a lot on defense doesn’t mean there better . And derrick rose has gotten better with the turnovers . Just sayin that its not so many things they do better then him maybe his firsy two years in the league

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Will Sloan resigning due to (allegedly) clashing with Deron Williams affect how Williams will be respected around the league?
    I admit I lost of a bit of respect for him after reading Adrian Wojihatelebronski’s article about Sloan getting tired of, among other things, Williams blaming everything on everyone else but himself.
    If the article can be believed.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dude you obviously don’t watch all three, calling Williams and Paul volume shooters is a dead give away. And both of them shoot a higher % then Rose, except on 3′s Rose is slightly higher then Williams. But Williams is obviously dealing with a very crappy situation right now, his issues with Sloan and Wrist injury sure don’t help. Either way, if you can’t see it you can’t see it, no point in continuing this. its obvious to everyone that is subjective and knows how to take situations into context

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    nate – Off the top of my head, I can only name Tony Parker and Steve Nash as point guards who have a higher field goal percentage than Chris Paul and shoot more than ten field goals a night. And I just looked up Tony Parker, and I had no idea dude was shooting 52% from the field. Dude is sur le feu!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I read that its not just Williams that had an issue with Sloan, also Sloan was supposedly not willing to even listen to players concerns. Williams is just the only one that spoke out, and he is definitely the only Jazz player anyone would even pay attention too. I don’t respect anything Wajrohagooahgoski writes, that guy writes whatever will get a click of the mouse

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, when you say “respected around the league” do you mean by the players or the media? We all know that players respect each other, so I don’t think that will be a problem but among the media and fans, he would probably lose some respect. Not that it matters anyway because as long as your peers respect you, that’s all that matters.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I meant all around the league. But, considering he’ll be a free-agent soon, mostly with executives, coaches and GM’s.
    I highly doubt this will happen, but what if it gives him the dreaded “uncoachable” label?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Not if Sloan literally was not willing to address issues with the team…I mean seriously Williams had to carry them for a couple weeks, remember all the games around 30 and 10? Plus Williams has been just fine for the first 5 years. I don’t see this having any effect on him regardless, he will be the second most prized FA in 2012-13, if he isn’t dealt or hasn’t forced his way out by then….

  • Michael

    Deron will be fine if he becomes a free agent. If Sloan is leaving because Deron it might not even be Deron who is causing the problem.

  • JTaylor21

    Maybe it’s just me but I rather have an “uncoachable” DWill than a coach favorite like SNash.

  • Michael

    I dont think many GMs and coaches would think twice about signing up Dwill even if he was labelled uncoachable. Surround the dude with a talented squad and let him do his thing.

  • block

    One of the components to being a great point guard is being a leader through the good and bad times. With that said Deron as the lead dog this year has shown horrible leadership and Sloan obviously saw the writing on the wall. Cp3 leads his team regardless of the personnel to victories as well as rose so I put Cp3#1, Rose#2, and DWill third. You can’t go wrong with either one of them but thats my order based on the total package that they bring to the table in the locker room and on the court

  • block

    The Bulls are one of four teams that have’nt lost more than 2 games in a row and thats a reflection of the leader the of the team. Whwn Korver, Brewer and Boozer were on the Jazz they said the leader of the team was coach Sloan, when they came to CHicago they all in unison stated that Rose is the unquestioned leader. Deron is my favorite but he has to look in the mirror a little more to solve some of the jazz struggles

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    There was this once cat that was deemed “uncoachable” he turned out to be Magic Johnson, and then there was this other “uncoachable” cat who is the second best sg of all-time. Uncoachable only stays with you until you’re winning.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^FTW

  • PistolPete1988

    Ditio what NiC sayed… Deron will be fine.

  • block

    Magic Johnson also won a chip his first year in the NBA so his words carry more weight when he feels like his team needs a change at the coaching position. Kobe was’nt the best player on the Lakers during the first three chips so he had time to mature into the great player that he is today. Deron has not earned the right to question Sloan’s coaching ability simple as that

  • http://www.gmx.net Darksaber

    Wojniihatelebronski: freaking hilarious.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Greg Popovich is building yet another twin towers combination in Tim Duncan and DeJuan Blair. Blair will be scary good some day.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Carrying on from something I read in the comments yesterday: As good as Blake is, Amare is still the better player.

  • michelle

    i have to agree with @stepfan and say that Javale McGee is too obsessed with making a “play” for sportscenter than being a better player…more specifically, a team player. watched the clippers and knicks game also…awesome game! glad to finally see blake’s teammates step up when he’s being double/triple defended…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Blake is more productive everywhere but the free-throw line. That’s what I said, and that is true. I didn’t say Blake was better, just that amare’s MVP campaign is a complete and utter joke

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    NBK: Did you look at the wrong stats? More productive, wha?
    Amare scores nearly four more points on only a half a percentage point less but about 18% better at the free throw line. And even though NEITHER shoot three pointers ever, they are both tied at a (comical) 50%. So, I’d give that to Amare. Rebounds and assist numbers go to Blake (passing is near negligable) and Amare has more steals and FOUR TIMES THE BLOCKS!!!!!! Both are bad in iso and post defense situations, Amare being a bit much but that is more than made up for Amare’s weakside blocks.
    So Amare is a better scorer and (sadly) a defender. I don’t get why you keep saying Blake is more productive. It’s not true, unless you’re talking about points/rebounds/assists as productivity.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    I mean, Blake is REALLY good, but Amare is a better scorer without a doubt. More points on a greater array of moves. Don’t give me the whole “D’Antoni offense” thing or I’ll bring up the point that Amare is constantly playing out of position.

  • JTaylor21

    I can’t believe I’m going to say this but people are starting to really overrate BGriff. I mean dude is a very good player but they way the media and fans talk about him, you would swear that he’s the greatest thing since condoms. He lacks a good to-move around the basket, he lacks a decent post move, he’s a turrible defender, and he tends to force up bad shots vs double teams. People like to compare his rook season to TD’s but they fail to realize that TD possessed a nice array of go-to moves around the basket and was a great defender from day one. Also he’s not even the reason for the clip’s slight resurgence, that falls on EGordon’s broad shoulders.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t look at their defensive stats. Nothing Amare does on defense classifies as productive, Blake is in the same boat. Amare only scores more points per game because he shoots more shots, and is as I said, a better free throw shooter. Never said anything about being “better” scoring, overall, defensively didn’t say that at.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    nbk: Except, you know, the 2.2 blocks a game. Which is productive.
    I’d argue Amare is a better scorer because he scores more points with a near unnoticeable difference in field goal percentage. He takes two and a half more shots than Griffin, and really, if you round, they both shoot 51% (Griffin has Amare beat by half a percentage point). Amare also has greater range and a bit better of a post game. He can score by himself or via the pick-and-roll, something Griffin hasn’t shown he can do consistently. Both can catch alleys and clean putbacks (obvs Griffin is better at the dirty work down low cause he’s a better rebounder).
    Bottom line is, Amare is a better scorer, and a .5% different in field goal percentage isn’t a great arguing point to tell me otherwise.
    Yeah, rebounding and passing will be given to Blake. But you really shouldn’t ignore Amare’s SUPERIOR defensive stats (I know they both suck, but Amare is putting up a steal and over two blocks a game, that CANNOT be ignored! It’s actually a massive failure on Blake’s part that he averages half a block a game! Amare was never that unproductive on the defensive end!), those are “productive” statistics.
    I wont get into “unproductive”(???) statistics like leadership, which Amare has shown.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Defensive stats blocks and steals say almost nothing about overall defensive ability. For instance where is the stat that shows the three charges griffin drew on Amar’e? I definitely value a charge much more then a block or a steal, so yes amare had whatever defensive stats, he’s 6’10 and play on a team full of matadors… I hope he can get a block or two at the hoop. Now if only he could box out and guard his man. Whatever I never said Blake was better, this was all about me bringing up that the Amare for MVP homers were nowhere to be found, because it’s a complete crock

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    nbk: I know Amare for MVP was a ‘complete crock’ but at the time, they were beating lots of teams and were fourth in a top-heavy conference and Amare was the leader turning the team around. It was obvious it wasn’t going to LAST but to those that didn’t see that, Amare was a perfectly viable candidate for MVP.
    And I’m not saying Amare isn’t a piss poor defender, he is. But continuously downplaying the fact that Amare is doing tangible, productive things that Blake SHOULD be able to do is mystifying to me.
    Stop overbeating Amare for the fans overrating him.

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