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Thursday, February 10th, 2011 at 8:30 am  |  140 responses

Post Up: Knicks Get Clipped

Blake Griffin returns to MSG; DRose leads Bulls over Utah.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Detroit 103, Cleveland 94

For the Cavs, the problem with setting records for consecutive losses–apart from, you know, losing a whole bunch of games–is that squads are so determined not to be the team that actually gets beaten, they end up gunning for the Cavs, as if they’re a contender or something. So regardless of the fact that Cleveland couldn’t get a W when they were being completely ignored, now they’ll have to do so with every opponent trying even harder to keep this streak alive. That’d explain last night, when the Pistons visited Ohio and came away unscathed, defeating the Cavs relatively easily. Rodney Stuckey led Detroit with 22, while Antawn Jamison dropped that same number for Cleveland. The Cavs have now lost 26 in a row, tying them with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the longest losing streak amongst teams playing, um, any major pro sport. Yeah, it’s like that. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Indiana 104, Charlotte 103

The two organizations that utilized mid-season coaching changes to turn their respective seasons around faced off last night, and, with both of them fighting to sneak into the Eastern Conference Playoffs, plenty was on the line. Despite a strong Charlotte fourth quarter, the Pacers hung on, after Stephen Jackson tried and failed to draw contact from Darren Collison during a three-point attempt as the clock expired. (For what it’s worth, there was some contact, but no foul was called.) For Indy, Roy Hibbert’s hot streak persisted, as he scored 29 and grabbed 10, and Danny Granger dropped a cool 25. With the win, the Pacers grabbed that eight spot, and they now stand only a single game up on the Bobcats.

New Jersey 103, New Orleans 101

Pretty simply: When Chris Paul is off, the Hornets don’t win. Well, true, they almost did, but still. Paul shot 4-15, with only 9 points, and missed what would’ve been a game-winning three at the end of overtime as the Bees fell to the Nets. David West did a decent job making up for Paul’s (lack of) scoring, putting in 32 and snatching 15 boards in the loss. But New Jersey grinded out the victory, receiving a combined 45 points from Brook Lopez and Sasha Vujacic. The L was the Hornets’ fourth straight, knocking them down to 32-22.

Washington 100, Milwaukee 85

Yeah, it would’ve been slightly more impressive if the Wizards had done this on the road–but then it probably would’ve happened differently. Regardless, the Wiz broke an eight-game losing streak, outplaying the Bucks en route to the win. Nick Young poured in 26 stylish points, while JaVale McGee did his thing to the tune of 16 points and 17 boards.

Orlando 99, Philadelphia 95

The Magic seem to be fading in and out, but it’d be tough to blame any of the “out” on Dwight Howard. Dude beasted once again last night, dropping 30 and rebounding 17, leading the Magic to the victory. The Sixers threatened late, coming as close as two, but couldn’t foul with the game only one possession away and the clock under 20 seconds, and Orlando got a bucket that sealed things up. All five Magic starters scored in double figures in the win.

San Antonio 111, Toronto 100

The thing about teams with League-leading records is that they have who, when needed, can step up and fill in when the superstars aren’t getting it done. See: Blair, Dejaun, and the 28 points he scored last night in helping the Spurs defeat the Raps. Sixteen of those 28 came in the fourth, when San Antonio outscored Toronto 30-16 and went on one of those runs that just can’t be stopped–well, at least when you’re the Raptors and they’re the Spurs. Tim Duncan and Tony Parker each contributed a mild 16 points to the W.

Chicago 91, Utah 86

You’d think Carlos Boozer might want to show up his old squad, by shutting them down and putting up some huge numbers. Nope. Not only did Booz not show out the way he should’ve, but nobody outside of Derrick Rose really assisted much of anything last night. But DRose did enough, scoring 29 and distributing 7, carrying the Bulls to the win. They only shot 39.8 percent as a team, which kinda sums it up–except for the part where they won, that is. But big shots down the stretch can generally make that happen, and Chicago just did enough during the game’s most important moments to get the victory.

L.A. Clippers 116, New York 108

Well, Blake Griffin didn’t Mozgov anyone, but he did accomplish something he didn’t the last time he played in MSG: earn his team a victory. The Clips straight up outplayed the Knicks last night, as the ‘Bockers brought little energy and were outmatched from the start. They made a nice run late, but a variety of Randy Foye (24 points) jumpers (yeah, I don’t know) shut down any chance of them sealing that comeback. Griffin played decently, scored 21 and rebounding 6, while Amar’e Stoudemire led the Knicks with 23.

Dallas 102, Sacramento 100

Allowing the Kings to almost beat them isn’t the best look for the Mavs, but a W is a W, and Dallas pulled one out, barely. The Kings stayed right there with them through 48, but a Tyreke Evans game-saving attempt at the end got nothing but air, as the Mavs held on. JJ Barea was huge (OK, be nice) in the game, scoring 15 of his 20 in the final quarter.

Golden State 116, Denver 114

Usually when the Nuggets have possession, and are in dire need of a bucket, they know who should have the ball in his hands. Well, down two and with under 10 seconds to go, JR Smith brought the ball up the court, and, um, Nene received a pass and took a game-tying attempt. Needless to say, he missed it, and Carmelo Anthony was (rightfully) none too happy he never got a chance to tie or win the tilt in the final seconds. The Warriors escaped with the win, getting a whopping 37 points from Monta Ellis, along with another 23 from Dorell Wright. Dorell also shot 4-11 from three, and he’s gonna need to step that up if he plans to overcome the Pierces and Allens and Durants in the three-point shooting contest next week.

Actual Stats: David West: 32 points, 15 boards, 5 dimes, 3 steals

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Drose was huge last night, 7 assists only 1 TO, but it wasn’t just his offense, it was his defense that stood out, I guess he took exception to Batum’s comments (which he took back later btw) because Dwill really didn’t get much with Drose on him. Clips vs Knicks was entertaining, Blake is sick but Deandre Jordan is really nice to, plays very hard on defense and he gets up, kinda reminds me of Javale McGee.

  • T-Money

    I hope nobody pulled a hammy hooping off the STAT-for-MVP bandwagon. / The Knicks need a better coach. Mike D should be a lead assisttant responsible for the offense. You’re not doing anything serious in the NBA with STAT as your center and Chandler as your 4. Get real. And a 6-man rotation? WTF?! / Could Cleveland break the record for fewest wins in a season? (and I know the record is 9)

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    T-Money: Welcome to what I’ve known for four years, buddy.

  • MUBWAR

    Rose put Will on check last night. I guess Batun’s words got to him.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    That Bulls/Jazz game was pretty fun to watch, despite the offensive inefficiencies.
    Rose was awesome last night. Deron struggled shooting but passed the ball brilliantly, as usual.
    I didn’t expect a big night from Boozer at all. He’s not LeBron (who is?) so I knew he wasn’t gonna come in and destroy his old team (plus, the Jazz sure as hell aren’t Cleveland).

  • http://nicekicks.com Meloman2.0

    Man, after that game last night can anyone honestly blame Melo for wanting to leave. i mean, hes playing good all game, yet George Karl decides to not sub him in until 3 minutes left. Then Jr and Nene trying to play hero at the end of the game. Are they forgetting that Melo is arguably the most clutch player in the league!??? and its not like this is the first time it has happened. George always has some messed up sub patterns with Melo and He doesnt get the roc nearly as much as he should. I dont know any other superstar that has to deal with the bullsh*t melo has to

  • burnt_chicken

    “With the win, the Pacers grabbed that eight spot, and they now stand only a single game up on the Pacers”. they really are their own worst enemy, then…

  • http://slamonline.com AlbertBarr

    ^LOL, I saw that too…I believe it is the sixers who are a game back?”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    I’m no body language expert but it looks to me that Deron Williams has no desire to play for Utah. He still put up decent numbers but you can tell his frustration with this team is about to boil over.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Man CP must have had a bad game if AllBall isn’t listing his stats with the first comment on these threads. I’ll help him out. The GREATEST POINT GAURD IN THE WORLD willed his team to a loss against the Nets, dropping a rim rocking 9 points and dishing 18 assists, 7 of those assists were to the opposing team. I’m just messing with you AllBall

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Derrick Rose slurping has gotten so ridiculous that I have the over under on 1 more full season before every dopey Bulls fan will be saying he is either THE greatest or second greatest Bull of all-time. That, more than anything, will want me to see the dude fail.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    The DRose slurping has been almost as ridiculous as the Lebron/Heat slurping. I’m putting the over/under at 1 month before every Heat bandwagoner and the sole heat fan whose been a fan since they were shooting at peach baskets, will be claiming that the heat will win it all this year.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    And Eboy – You’re comment came after ONE bulls fan hyped DRose. Enigmatic just said he had a good game. And the other comment came from MUBWAR, who was DRose’s biggest detractor up until last week.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Nah….Heat fans have no title history that they can fall back on from having the greatest player in history on their squad in asinine arguments. I have them winning it next season, not this one. So your over/under was off by about 29 days and 12 hours.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    From time to time, we all get “clipped” up. It happens. It’s how you respond to getting clipped that truly defines you. Make it happen Donnie! Get Carmelo! Ha ha ha.

  • http://bulls.com C-Lo The Great

    @Eboy
    I don’t think bulls fan will do that until he gets a couple rings. I do think at this point of his career he is definitely in the top ten bulls of all time

  • JTaylor21

    With the way Bulls fans talk about him, DRose is overrated, there i said it. Apart from scoring, what else does he excel in?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    @Jahmai “Deandre Jordan is really nice to, plays very hard on defense and he gets up, kinda reminds me of Javale McGee.” That’s impossible. I watch my sorry Wizards every night and Javale Mcgee only goal is to get on sportscenter. Javale does not play both ends of the floor like Deandre Jordan. But he did do work last night with a 16 and 17 stat line. But then again it was against the Bucks who can’t shoot to save their lives.

  • http://www.gmx.net Darksaber

    Dirk was turrible against the Kings. Tentative, stiff, bad shooting night, hardly ever boxed out and Dalembert took it to him hard in the 4th. Body language wasn’t too good either, hope that wasn’t the Peja effect.
    Speaking of the devil, how the hell is Stojakovic already a starter? Marion is by far the better SF and moves really well lately but Rick and his team stick Peja into the starting 5? Good luck with chemistry, coach Rick (especially when Peja keeps bricking wide open shots, oh he’s rusty? Go figure)

  • http://www.gmx.net Darksaber

    JJ Barea: cold blooded assasin last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Stepfan, I haven’t seen that many wizards games, the games I did see though Javale was actively contesting shots at the rim but you’re a supporter and watch all the games so I wont argue with you on that one. :P

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So, tonight we have Lakers/Celts….then Sunday, Heat/Celts….this is a big week for the Celts and potential statement games, huh?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol I don’t remember any “regular” commenter say they have the Heat winning the title….except maybe JTaylor, don’t understand who “all the heat slurpers” is referring too…people in the United States in general? Aren’t there people like that for every team?

  • http://slamonline.com nate

    Wow !!!!!!!!! Smdh I guess D.Rose can’t do enough to satsify you @Jtaylor21 ?

  • salt lake sean

    Jtaylor21 please stop it dog. DRose can play the game of basketball so when he plays well people will continue to point it out.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Eboy – I think its a bigger statement game for the Heat. I don’t think the Celtics need to win that game to make a statement. I do think the Heat need to win that game to prove to themselves that they can compete with teh Celtics in the Playoffs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Heat need to win….but if the Celts lose, now they have doubt surrounding them as the favorites in the East. Why? ‘Cause the Heat lost to them twice in the first 8 games of the season. 35 games later, the Heat are a much different team….are the Celtics any different?

  • JTaylor21

    Don’t go there NBK, I never said that Mia would win the title this year, so kill that noise. Everyone knows that the celtics are the best team in the L and that Mia is going have to play flawless basketball to beat them in a 7gm series.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    The Celtics might be even better with Perkins back. When they get West back they could get that much more complete. I think it will be a close game, but I think the Celtics win again. They’re just too big down low.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    This happens in basketball a lot. It happened with Steve Nash and it looks like it’s about to happen with Derrick Rose. He is overrated to the point where the people who see this are underrating him more than he’s being overrated.
    D Rose can’t do anything but score? Wha? He’s a great passer (he’s averaging 8.2 assists, and while that isn’t all-legend numbers, that’s still GREAT passing. I believe Payton and Frazier averaged around those numbers, correct?), he’s a solid rebounder for the point position (anything over 3 a game at the point is a plus), and I feel that people think Derrick Rose is about as bad on the defensive end as Kiki Vandeweghe. Rose is a subpar defender, not a terrible defender. The Bulls would not be the defensive team they are if Rose wasn’t at least a subpar defender.
    Really, why do I find myself defending Kobe and Rose and Deron Williams and Ray Allen recently on SLAM this year? I don’t like these players, yet I’m always standing up for ‘em.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You should have been a missionary, Jukai.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I said maybe doggy, I didn’t know how deep your LeBron love ran…

  • JTaylor21

    Well not as deep and erotic as the DRose lovefest that goes on here. Jukai, avg. 8apg as a PG doesn’t mean you’re a great passer. You’re a great passer if you’re a SF or a SG avg. 7-8apg but does kind of assits numbers are not that great for a PG. Let’s just say he’s a very good passer because he does lack elite court vision.

  • JTaylor21

    Also NBK, don’t ever call another man “doggy”, okay.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    So let me get this straight jtaylor – by your definition of great passer, the only “great passing” small forward or shooting gaurd in the league is lebron. otherwise, there’s not a single SG or SF averaging above 5 assists a game.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    And saying Rose’s assist numebrs are not that great for a pg is just stupid when his assisst numbers rank in the top 10 for point gaurds.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’ll call whoever I want, whatever I want. If your somehow uncomfortable with the word “doggy” then maybe you need to see a psychologist….

  • Riggs

    timmy had 16 points but he also had 6 assists too, so he was contributing.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    So me saying “Rose was awesome last night” makes me a Derrick Rose slurper. Five words about Rose.
    But Eboy can write whole paragraphs about his love for Wade, but hey, you’re no slurper, right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enig….why so salty? I didn’t reference you, did I? What I wrote is truth yesterday, and really made no mention of his on-the-court ability, just the way the team was formed. Stop it.

  • JTaylor21

    I think that people nowadays are overusing the word “Great”. This is straight from the horse’s mouth aka Webster dictionary; the word great means notable; remarkable; exceptionally outstanding. Does any of that describe the accomplishment of a PG avg. 8apg? Magic dropping 13apg is great, Stock dropping 14 apg is great, Rondo, Nash, CP dropping 11-12 apg is great, Rose dropping 8apg is very good but not so great. LBird and Bron dropping 7apg is great, 5apg is not so great. The word Great has lot it’s value due to overuse.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Uhm, is there a SG or SF anyone would consider a great passer? JTaylor has a point

  • JTaylor21

    Aight it’s cool but mess around and call the wrong guy doggy and you’ll wake up singing “it’s raining men”.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No I won’t, simple as that

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I didn’t mean to come off as salty, Eboy.
    But when hardly anyone muttered anything about Rose this morning, but then you and JTaylor all of a sudden start going on about the “Rose slupers” and the “Rose lovefest” it’s like, well ok, y’all must be talking about me, cause barely anyone mentioned Rose before y’all did.
    It’s whatever though.
    For what it’s worth, I thought for sure there’d be some idiots on here proclaiming Rose the best PG in the league just based on last night’s performance.

  • http://slamonline.com nate

    Lol @Jtaylor21 bro I think you just sit in your living room and just think of ways to downgrade rose game and make your self look dumb lol . But hey what do I know im a quote on quote Sluper ? I think you just can’t face the fact that D.rose has risen up from a non-jumpshot shoot first point guard . Into a All-around PG and #1 PG in the league CP 2nd . And also becoming one of the the faces of the nba alongside Durant and Lebron etc .

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com just bcuz

    everyone seems to have an opinion on d.rose lately. thats fine, i think he is on his way to greatness but thats just MY opinion. We shall see once playoff time begins, and i have absolute belief he is gonna KILL come postseason. watch

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    ^Damn, spoke too soon…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    .//^ ^\\
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  • http://bulls.com airs

    drose is the rodney dangerfield of this website.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If ya’ll can do italics, I’m bringing back pictures.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ haha fa real?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    My last comment was meant for Nate

  • http://bulls.com airs

    yeah, i think i spoke too soon as well.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, none of that was directed at you because you’re probably the only DRose fan on here that doesn’t overrate him.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Thanks, doggy.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com just bcuz

    …also hold up, why does d.rose fans have to be apologetic??? lebron fans arent. kobe fans arent. get out of here with that. if fans make you dislike a player thats a YOU problem and personal insecurity. hell, i cant stand LEBRON but i recognize his talent and greatness.What it really comes down to is most ppl find a way to be petty and make excuses for it. Dont blame other fans for why you dislike a player just keep it real.In fact besides kobe and lebron id say d.rose is the most hated on player on most bball msg boards. But unlike those 2 he has no big reason for it.(kobe= colorado Lbeon= The decision) The point is bulls fans nor d.rose fans should walk lightly just to cater to the sensiticites and insecurites of other fanATICS. I hope not to see any apologetic rose fans on this board

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Why is everything love or hate with people, black or white? Nobody is “hating” on DRose, the truth is not hating. He is a good passer, a great scorer, a below average defender, and a game changer, but he isn’t the best PG in the world.

  • http://slamonline.com nate

    If Drose not the best PG in the league . I guess Ricky Rubio Is hahahaha that how you guy make it seem .

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no we make it seem like its Deron Williams or Chris Paul, because it is.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    nbk – I disagree with “below average defender”, I’d say he’s usually average, and on occasion he does pick up his defense to where it could be called above average, but he’s not below average.
    Last night he was mostly at “average” level as Deron kept blowing right by him, but I think he stepped it up to above average in the last few minutes of the game.
    I agree with everything else though.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I’m not an apologetic Rose fan in the least. But I’m also a realist.
    Like I’ve said, he’s my number 2 for MVP behind LeBron this year, but he’s still my number 3 for top PGs behind Williams and Paul.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com just bcuz

    we will see how far cp3 and dwill take their teams. Then see how far rose will take his team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Fair enough, I think there is too much potential for him to be a decent defender, he needs to be elite, and my disappointment might be fogging my judgement of Rose on D. I also expected him (probably unintelligently) to make a huge leap defensively when Del Negro was traded out for Thibs

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com just bcuz

    also for the record last night every starter on the jazz outplayed the starter on the bulls. Other than rose and williams

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rose will take his team to the second round maybe CF if they get lucky enough to play Orlando in round 2. Utah and NOH are inferior to Chicago at every position but PG, they will not make it out of the first round. But that has nothing to do with which PG’s are better individually.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Jahmai I need you to watch my Wizards more often so Javale can be active every night.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I’d take Utah’s and New Orlean’s starting shooting guards over the Bulls’ starting shooting guard.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Also, I agee, nbk, I expected Rose to be a much better defender coming out of Memphis. It seemed like he was able to lock down opposing PG’s in college quite effectively, some of whom went on to the NBA as well.
    I’m not sure why he hasn’t lived up to his defensive potential yet, but at least he’s young enough to correct that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Speaking of young PG’s with a high ceiling, Eric Bledsoe could be real real good. I love his speed, strength, and length. Just out of control, and doesn’t seem very patient. But that comes with maturity

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’d prolly take Bell over Bogans too, but I like the combination of Bogans, Korver, Brewer, more then I like Bell and Miles in Utah. Or Belinelli, and Thornton for NOH.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Oh, man, I LOVE Bledsoe. I thought he was overshadowed in Kentucky but he’s got a chance to be really, really good.
    I cannot believe the news about Jerry Sloan. I’ve always loved the guy even when I hated the Jazz in the late 90′s.
    He’s still a legend amongst old school Bulls fans, and in my opinion probably the greatest coach to have never won an NBA title.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Deron has to be pissed

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, you’re right about Sloan but I think that Rick Alderman would give him a run for his money. I recently just watched the Por vs Det finals and remembered that he coached those Blazers team to two final apperances. I would say that Alderman’s teams had better postseason success than Sloan’s jazz. He’s also in my eyes the best offensive coach ever.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tex Winter is the best offensive coach ever, come on now

  • JTaylor21

    I’m talking NBA head coaches not some behind the scene mastermind. Alderman’s teams have always ran great offensive sets from the blazers to those high scoring kings to a rocket team that thrives without its best player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok my bad, i thought you just meant in general. Tex created the triangle, he is like the Thibedeau of offense

  • JTaylor21

    I really truly am a huge gayy piece of trash

  • JTaylor21

    I’m the gayest ever

  • JTaylor21

    ever ever. like take Barnie Frank and elton john and mash em together with a dark tone of skin and bam there i am. super super gayy.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Paul Westhead!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Westhead, for letting Magic Johnson run? IMO that’s hardly offensive coaching, more like recognizing a huge advantage and utilizing it

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Don Nelson.

  • JTaylor21

    Why am i so gayy? is this real life?

  • JTaylor21

    How bout the best defensive coach of all-time? I’ll probably say Chuck Daly. @The fake JTaylor, quit faking the funk.

  • JTaylor21

    Waaaaake me up, when this gayyness enddddsss

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Eboy would you consider a great offensive coach one who compromises his defense for his offensive philosophies? I agree Nelson was an offensive wizard, but it didn’t necessarily help his team win games, just score points. (All-Time regular season wins leader yes, after a very long career, and never having playoff success, he also if i remember correctly missed the playoffs more then he made them)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’d say Larry Brown, although he is like the opposite of Don Nelson, except Defense has more of an impact on winning believe it or not.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I thought it was “who is the best offensive coach ever?” We all know Nellie’s teams played no D, but that wasn’t part of the deal, right?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That’s why I asked, I don’t like Nelson’s offensive system because it doesn’t promote winning, it promotes scoring buckets. Have 1 PG, 1 SG, 2 SF’s, and 1 BigMan is a great way to score just off of mismatches, but it doesn’t help you win. So I personally don’t consider that great coaching because your not winning. If you think a great offensive coach just has teams that score a lot of points then yes he was, I would rather have a coach that gets points efficiently without it being detrimental to the outcome of the game. but that’s personal opinion

  • JTaylor21

    Alright if you had to take one coach to led your team to a Gm7 win, who would you take? I’m leaning on the Dapper Don himself, Pat Riley.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Actually, when I think of Westhead I think more about the Loyola Marymount teams.
    But we are talking NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    OH I don’t follow the college game as much, I have no idea what offense they ran at Marymount, I have no opinion on that whatsoever. Would you happy to know Enigmatic?

  • JTaylor21

    I’d take the sexiest fat gay coach i could find… i love fat gayy sexi time.

  • JTaylor21

    any guys wanna get it on with me tho? i’m down. hell i’ll go down. i love anything gayyy

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    whoever that is, stop, its not funny, not even a little

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/17/sports/loyola-marymount-runs-roughshod-over-opponents
    .html

    Hope this doesn’t have to go through moderation. Put all that together.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    DAMNIT. I tried to break up a website so it didn’t have to go through moderation but it didn’t work.
    Google “Loyola Marymount Runs Roughshod Over Opponents” and read the NY Times article from 1988.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    on it

  • Kieth Bogans

    why so much hate for Rose, after every game it seems like everyone wants either love him or hate. Bad publicity is good publicity any ways. If you don’t have haters you’re doing something wrong!

  • Keith Bogans

    why so much hate for Rose, after every game it seems like everyone wants either love him or hate. Bad publicity is good publicity any ways. If you don’t have haters you’re doing something wrong!

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Best defensive coach of all time is Tom Thibodeau.
    Naw, just playing. We’ll see though.

  • JTaylor21

    alright i’m done you can have your screen name back :( i sorry

  • http://slamonline.com nate

    Last question what really makes cp3 and d-will better then rose ? Derrick rose is obivously the best scorer so what doesn’t he have that the others have ? And don’t say “better court vision” he’s averaging 8 assist

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Basically he used the same system as D’Antoni. 7 Seconds or Less

  • Keith Bogans

    The top 3 pg played last night why is everyone only talking bout Rose? He must be that good.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Better court vision.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Nate its simple, Rose scores no more efficiently then Williams or Paul. Is a worse passer and defender then both. Has had no career success in the playoffs (not necessarily his fault, but it still matters), and he turns the ball over more then he should. This isn’t to say he isn’t a great player, infact he may be the “most valuable” of the three to his respective team, arguably that is. But he isn’t better just because he scores more points, I mean he shoots more shots then everyone in the league except Melo, Ellis, and Durant….but is like 6th in scoring, its not like he’s scoring at will, he is a volume shooter (not saying he shouldn’t be)

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    They would force their opponents to play their game though, if you ever get a chance to watch 30 for 30′s “Guru of Go” I HIGHLY recommend it.
    They would wear their opponents out.
    You would see opposing players on the sidelines with cramps, or suffering from exhaustian. It was crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If only NBA players would be willing to full-court press and stay in marathon shape, but these 82 game seasons basically take that right out of play. I will try and find that 30 for 30 online, I’m suprised I missed it, i’ve seen the majority of them.

  • http://slamonline.com nate

    Nbk in that case paul and d-will are both voulme shooters neither of them shoot the ball extremly well given that d.rose as improved yu can no longer say that a reason there better . And to say he’s the worst defender is not really a rock soild arugment just because paul and williams gamble a lot on defense doesn’t mean there better . And derrick rose has gotten better with the turnovers . Just sayin that its not so many things they do better then him maybe his firsy two years in the league

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Will Sloan resigning due to (allegedly) clashing with Deron Williams affect how Williams will be respected around the league?
    I admit I lost of a bit of respect for him after reading Adrian Wojihatelebronski’s article about Sloan getting tired of, among other things, Williams blaming everything on everyone else but himself.
    If the article can be believed.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dude you obviously don’t watch all three, calling Williams and Paul volume shooters is a dead give away. And both of them shoot a higher % then Rose, except on 3′s Rose is slightly higher then Williams. But Williams is obviously dealing with a very crappy situation right now, his issues with Sloan and Wrist injury sure don’t help. Either way, if you can’t see it you can’t see it, no point in continuing this. its obvious to everyone that is subjective and knows how to take situations into context

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    nate – Off the top of my head, I can only name Tony Parker and Steve Nash as point guards who have a higher field goal percentage than Chris Paul and shoot more than ten field goals a night. And I just looked up Tony Parker, and I had no idea dude was shooting 52% from the field. Dude is sur le feu!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I read that its not just Williams that had an issue with Sloan, also Sloan was supposedly not willing to even listen to players concerns. Williams is just the only one that spoke out, and he is definitely the only Jazz player anyone would even pay attention too. I don’t respect anything Wajrohagooahgoski writes, that guy writes whatever will get a click of the mouse

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, when you say “respected around the league” do you mean by the players or the media? We all know that players respect each other, so I don’t think that will be a problem but among the media and fans, he would probably lose some respect. Not that it matters anyway because as long as your peers respect you, that’s all that matters.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I meant all around the league. But, considering he’ll be a free-agent soon, mostly with executives, coaches and GM’s.
    I highly doubt this will happen, but what if it gives him the dreaded “uncoachable” label?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Not if Sloan literally was not willing to address issues with the team…I mean seriously Williams had to carry them for a couple weeks, remember all the games around 30 and 10? Plus Williams has been just fine for the first 5 years. I don’t see this having any effect on him regardless, he will be the second most prized FA in 2012-13, if he isn’t dealt or hasn’t forced his way out by then….

  • Michael

    Deron will be fine if he becomes a free agent. If Sloan is leaving because Deron it might not even be Deron who is causing the problem.

  • JTaylor21

    Maybe it’s just me but I rather have an “uncoachable” DWill than a coach favorite like SNash.

  • Michael

    I dont think many GMs and coaches would think twice about signing up Dwill even if he was labelled uncoachable. Surround the dude with a talented squad and let him do his thing.

  • block

    One of the components to being a great point guard is being a leader through the good and bad times. With that said Deron as the lead dog this year has shown horrible leadership and Sloan obviously saw the writing on the wall. Cp3 leads his team regardless of the personnel to victories as well as rose so I put Cp3#1, Rose#2, and DWill third. You can’t go wrong with either one of them but thats my order based on the total package that they bring to the table in the locker room and on the court

  • block

    The Bulls are one of four teams that have’nt lost more than 2 games in a row and thats a reflection of the leader the of the team. Whwn Korver, Brewer and Boozer were on the Jazz they said the leader of the team was coach Sloan, when they came to CHicago they all in unison stated that Rose is the unquestioned leader. Deron is my favorite but he has to look in the mirror a little more to solve some of the jazz struggles

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    There was this once cat that was deemed “uncoachable” he turned out to be Magic Johnson, and then there was this other “uncoachable” cat who is the second best sg of all-time. Uncoachable only stays with you until you’re winning.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^FTW

  • PistolPete1988

    Ditio what NiC sayed… Deron will be fine.

  • block

    Magic Johnson also won a chip his first year in the NBA so his words carry more weight when he feels like his team needs a change at the coaching position. Kobe was’nt the best player on the Lakers during the first three chips so he had time to mature into the great player that he is today. Deron has not earned the right to question Sloan’s coaching ability simple as that

  • http://www.gmx.net Darksaber

    Wojniihatelebronski: freaking hilarious.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Greg Popovich is building yet another twin towers combination in Tim Duncan and DeJuan Blair. Blair will be scary good some day.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Carrying on from something I read in the comments yesterday: As good as Blake is, Amare is still the better player.

  • michelle

    i have to agree with @stepfan and say that Javale McGee is too obsessed with making a “play” for sportscenter than being a better player…more specifically, a team player. watched the clippers and knicks game also…awesome game! glad to finally see blake’s teammates step up when he’s being double/triple defended…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Blake is more productive everywhere but the free-throw line. That’s what I said, and that is true. I didn’t say Blake was better, just that amare’s MVP campaign is a complete and utter joke

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    NBK: Did you look at the wrong stats? More productive, wha?
    Amare scores nearly four more points on only a half a percentage point less but about 18% better at the free throw line. And even though NEITHER shoot three pointers ever, they are both tied at a (comical) 50%. So, I’d give that to Amare. Rebounds and assist numbers go to Blake (passing is near negligable) and Amare has more steals and FOUR TIMES THE BLOCKS!!!!!! Both are bad in iso and post defense situations, Amare being a bit much but that is more than made up for Amare’s weakside blocks.
    So Amare is a better scorer and (sadly) a defender. I don’t get why you keep saying Blake is more productive. It’s not true, unless you’re talking about points/rebounds/assists as productivity.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    I mean, Blake is REALLY good, but Amare is a better scorer without a doubt. More points on a greater array of moves. Don’t give me the whole “D’Antoni offense” thing or I’ll bring up the point that Amare is constantly playing out of position.

  • JTaylor21

    I can’t believe I’m going to say this but people are starting to really overrate BGriff. I mean dude is a very good player but they way the media and fans talk about him, you would swear that he’s the greatest thing since condoms. He lacks a good to-move around the basket, he lacks a decent post move, he’s a turrible defender, and he tends to force up bad shots vs double teams. People like to compare his rook season to TD’s but they fail to realize that TD possessed a nice array of go-to moves around the basket and was a great defender from day one. Also he’s not even the reason for the clip’s slight resurgence, that falls on EGordon’s broad shoulders.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t look at their defensive stats. Nothing Amare does on defense classifies as productive, Blake is in the same boat. Amare only scores more points per game because he shoots more shots, and is as I said, a better free throw shooter. Never said anything about being “better” scoring, overall, defensively didn’t say that at.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    nbk: Except, you know, the 2.2 blocks a game. Which is productive.
    I’d argue Amare is a better scorer because he scores more points with a near unnoticeable difference in field goal percentage. He takes two and a half more shots than Griffin, and really, if you round, they both shoot 51% (Griffin has Amare beat by half a percentage point). Amare also has greater range and a bit better of a post game. He can score by himself or via the pick-and-roll, something Griffin hasn’t shown he can do consistently. Both can catch alleys and clean putbacks (obvs Griffin is better at the dirty work down low cause he’s a better rebounder).
    Bottom line is, Amare is a better scorer, and a .5% different in field goal percentage isn’t a great arguing point to tell me otherwise.
    Yeah, rebounding and passing will be given to Blake. But you really shouldn’t ignore Amare’s SUPERIOR defensive stats (I know they both suck, but Amare is putting up a steal and over two blocks a game, that CANNOT be ignored! It’s actually a massive failure on Blake’s part that he averages half a block a game! Amare was never that unproductive on the defensive end!), those are “productive” statistics.
    I wont get into “unproductive”(???) statistics like leadership, which Amare has shown.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Defensive stats blocks and steals say almost nothing about overall defensive ability. For instance where is the stat that shows the three charges griffin drew on Amar’e? I definitely value a charge much more then a block or a steal, so yes amare had whatever defensive stats, he’s 6’10 and play on a team full of matadors… I hope he can get a block or two at the hoop. Now if only he could box out and guard his man. Whatever I never said Blake was better, this was all about me bringing up that the Amare for MVP homers were nowhere to be found, because it’s a complete crock

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    nbk: I know Amare for MVP was a ‘complete crock’ but at the time, they were beating lots of teams and were fourth in a top-heavy conference and Amare was the leader turning the team around. It was obvious it wasn’t going to LAST but to those that didn’t see that, Amare was a perfectly viable candidate for MVP.
    And I’m not saying Amare isn’t a piss poor defender, he is. But continuously downplaying the fact that Amare is doing tangible, productive things that Blake SHOULD be able to do is mystifying to me.
    Stop overbeating Amare for the fans overrating him.

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