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Friday, February 4th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  199 responses

Post Up: LeBron Heats Up

LBJ scores 51 in win; Spurs defeat Lakers at the buzzer.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Miami 104, Orlando 100

Remember those “mental notes” LeBron James was taking over the summer when people—like, say, Magic GM Otis Smith—were taking shots? Yeah, so does he. And, as if any more gasoline needed to be added to that fire, Dwight Howard took a little pregame shot, mocking the infamous powder toss right before tip-off. Bron remembered that too, it appeared, minutes later, as he was pouring on the buckets. In those first few minutes, he did everything: drill open shots, drill contested shots, find open routes to the hoop, and even that thing where he’s guarded tight about 10 feet from the hoop one second, and the next he’s miraculously wide open and located just two feet from the hoop. After a 23-point first quarter, LeBron went on to pile in 51, as the Heat defeated the Magic on the road. Despite James’ outburst, the Magic did a decent job staying close in the first half, then a terrible job staying close in the second—until a (too) late run made the game competitive. Orlando’s array of shooters went to work late in the fourth quarter, bringing them back to within 3, but nobody could convert when they needed a game-tying three in the final seconds and Miami managed to hold on. No other Heat player scored more than 14, but James, who also grabbed 11 boards and dished 8 assists, did just about everything that needed to be done to get the victory. This we know: If the Magic performed the way they did in the final five minutes for the entirety of the contest, things would’ve turned out vastly different. But, you know. What could’ve been.

Golden State 100, Milwaukee 94

This one stayed tight for the first three quarters, but the Warriors jumped ahead with a great final 12 minutes. Monta Ellis, perhaps a little perturbed he didn’t get that All-Star call, led Golden State with 24, while Stephen Curry and Dorell Wright combined for 32 points and this alley-oop. The Bucks, meanwhile, area still limiting Brandon Jennings‘ minutes, which isn’t helping much at all. The loss was the Bucks’ third straight.

San Antonio 89, L.A. Lakers 88

I’m gonna try to keep this short, because I think the majority of the story can be told via a video clip, which you’ll find below. But to sum things up: This contest was pretty damn ugly. Neither team shot above 43 percent from the floor, and neither team had a player that scored more than Tony Parker, who put in a game-high 21 points. But, the game was close. Very close. So close, in fact, that the final minute was one of those back-and-forth, whoever-has-the-ball-last-is-probably-going-to-win-or-at-least-do-something-awesome roller coasters. So when the Spurs had possession, down 1 and with 10 seconds remaining, we expected something great—and all we got was a Manu Ginobili missed jumper. But after a San Antonio rebound, they had another chance—and all we got was a missed Parker teardrop. But the Spurs kept possession, and after a timeout, Tim Duncan had a nice opportunity—and all we got was another missed jumper. BUT, Antonio McDyess was well-positioned down low for a tip-in opportunity, and he, well…

Last Call:

(H/T: @Jose3030)

Actual Stats: LeBron James: 51 points, 11 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal, 1 block

Enjoy the weekend, y’all. Anton’s got you for the next two, and I’ll be back Monday to recap the pre-Super Bowl hoops action. See you then.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lebron James.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Nice block out, Kobe and Lamar.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    It was just a regular season win but boy, it was sweet. Before the game Kobe & Co were saying that it was an important game and we end up beating them fair and square on their home court.
    Lakers fans were anticipating a monster night from Kobe after his last declaration but our defense did a perfect job on him (just like the 1st game) And i still dont get why some people here think we’re not build for the Playoffs, last time i checked, TP, Manu and Tim have won 10 NBA titles between them.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Lebron James indeed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I guess that game meant nothing to the Lakers either. That’s probably why Kobe shot 27% and still had almost double the shot attempts of Pau and Bynum who were very efficient. Plus they got a game with a pulse from Ron Ron and they still couldn’t beat the Spurs, at home. But yeah, Laker fans will say this was no big deal. Keep hope alive, paper champs.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol at Anthony. So I guess LA has what, 15 titles between them? TD has 4, Manu/TP 3 each.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Paper champs? This ain’t Rocky 3, E.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    If a team that’s been to 3 straight NBA finals, winning two, is considered a “paper champion”, then a “real” champion would be what, E? Educate the masses.

  • vtrobot

    @ The Philosopher: Please say your line, dude.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    This is interesting, taken from ESPN’S daily dime.

    Blake (Chicago): Are you ready to call Derrick Rose the best point guard in the game yet?

    John Hollinger: Did Chris Paul retire?

    Phil (Chicago): No, Chris Paul didn’t retire but his numbers are down across the board compared to two years ago. Live in the present, John.

    John Hollinger: Which numbers? Turnovers? Missed shots? Paul is second in the NBA in PER. … He’s become the master of efficiency.

    Mike (Chicago): I know you love PER, but it’s YOUR made up stat. Why should fans trust it when clearly our eyes can tell us that D Rose is playing way better than Paul and when PER doesn’t account for how a player has to play when teammates are hurt?

    John Hollinger: I trust you reached this eye test after watching all the Hornets’ games too?

    Adnan (Chicago,IL): No.1 Rule of chats: Don’t say anything but Derrick is best player alive!!

    John Hollinger: I think he’s actually surpassed Kobe when it comes to the Army of Unreasonably Enthusiastic Supporters.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I’m not sure how anyone could deny that LeBron is the best player in the world right now…I really hate that I am saying that but it’s the truth, the dude is unbelievable.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Mike (Chicago) sounds a lot like Diesel, and John’s response, which is basically, you wouldn’t think that if you checked out the Hornets regularly, is very reasonable.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Paper Champions. I could give a f*ck if they beat a half-a*sed Magic squad and struggled to beat a missing a key piece Boston team for their two “incredible” title wins. Good for them. Pleasure yourself to Kobe’s Fathead another time, whatever floats your boat. The fact remains that they’ve gotten progressively worse this season and they get the benefit of the doubt because “they’re the champs”. Well, that and a sh*t sandwich is getting you nowhere. Keep sleeping on the Spurs. Keep discounting the Heat. Keep acting like the their the Celtics equals. Sh*t, keep praying the Bulls don’t fu*k around and come out of the East. If the Lakers can get back to the Finals again, they’re going to play the BEST Eastern Conference squad they will have faced since they got worked by the Celtics in ’08, more than likely without home court advantage. Clubber Lange would approve this message.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Eboy, im looking a bit ahead of the schedule but im curious to see how we would match up against Miami.

  • Jer dawg

    Paper Champs? No ef’in way. At the moment, they playing with no heart and drive. Laker fans are freaking out. Media outlets pile on how terrible they are against top tier NBA teams. But, nobody has defeated them from Playoffs, yet. Still reigning CHAMPIONS. but, it’s okay. Have an opinion.

  • MUBWAR

    WoooW…I predicted a triple double yesterday but not added to 51…Boston is next

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “I think he’s actually surpassed Kobe when it comes to the Army of Unreasonably Enthusiastic Supporters.” This is undeniably my favorite sentence of the last year.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Clubber! The East was week the year Orlando came out. E, you should remember that in the last 3 Finals runs LA has never been fully healthy either.
    Mubssy, he didn’t get a triple double last night.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Haha, mine too, but probably for different reasons than yours.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Anthony, I think if both teams are healthy, you’re looking at a great, great matchup. I’m more afraid of the Spurs than the Lakers, Thunder, Nuggets, whoever from the West if the Heat could somehow make the Finals and if the Spurs could get there too. I’d say the Spurs have the advantage due to Pop though. Spo still can’t manage late-game situations…as evidenced by last night.

  • http://slamonline.com Caboose

    I’ve gotta say that the Heat look like a better team than the Magic. However, the Magic were 16-31 from the foul line and they werent all Dwight misses. If they can hit 70% of their free throws, Orlando wins. Also, the Magic need a backup center, Dwight played all 48 last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    E, I agree that giving the benefit of the doubt to the Lakers based on past performance is dubious, in light of their present lackluster play. But to discount their championships as you just did is pretty unreasonable. You play the teams in front of you. The Magic were the EC champions, and had to beat some good teams to get there. Sure, Boston played without Perk, but injuries are a part of the game. Bynum played on one knee. The fact is, they won.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    I swear it’s the little things that kills the Lakers obviously not boxing out but also close outs and Kobe leaving an improved three point shooter in Richard Jefferson wide open for multiple threes.Defense and Effort is what is keeping them from playing championship level basketball. Also it amazes me how Lebron can drop 50 and still seem completely unselfish, while Kobe can have 11 assists and still look
    like he is forcing the issue a bit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @Royal, you hit the nail on the head with your last point. I watched both games in their entirety, and didn’t realize Kobe had that many assists. I think it’s the perception (based on past behavior) that LeBron is a more willing passer than Kobe.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That sh*t is wack, Kris. Like I said, the won, good for them, can’t take away their titles. But their time is at an end. Their being exposed each and every week by another team on the rise. Riddle me this? How many home games did the Laker lose in their last two title runs? Compare it to the number this season. Get back to me when you’re done and tell me if Laker fans shouldn’t be worried.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Their=they’re

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Eboy, i think it will depend on how we can control Lebron, Pop is the master when it comes to finding counter-strategy, it would very interesting to watch.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    All valid points E. Some of their home losses this year have been pretty eye-opening. But fans of a team (you’re an exception) tend to view everything in the best light possible for their team. I try not to be as definitive as you; I recall last year saying the Lakers would not repeat because of their lack of defensive intensity…we all know how that turned out.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I hate John Hollinger. And is AllBall back to hater status again?
    Anyways, forget that nonsense.
    You know, I’ve had LeBron as my MVP favorite for a few weeks now, with Derrick Rose as my #2 (f*ck Hollinger).
    Everytime I think I’m ready to move Rose up to #1, LeBron does something spectacular that just says to me “nah, son.”
    Fifty-one points. On a team with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Against a team with 2-time DPOY Howard. On the road. Most importantly, with the W getting got.
    Got Damn!!

  • Justin

    WAY too many people put too much stock in regular season games. What matters is what happens in the playoffs. Phil knows this, he’s been there plenty of times. His goal is to get his team to the playoffs healthy and with a decent record. The rest of this is just pointless banter until then

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Lakers were NOT this inconsistent last year. Maybe for a couple of weeks, but not for this extended time frame AND the Lakers had basically the same roster from the first title year. They added, what, 5 new players to their roster this season? you ever think that the moves they made haven’t worked out and it’s not just some hangover or malaise? No? You didn’t? Maybe you should start now. They were at their best the in ’09 when they beat Orlando. They were NOT as good last season, but they were good enough to win. This season? Please. I’d be curious to know what their record was at the same point last season when you know “they were struggling terribly”.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    About the Lakers, no doubt in my mind they’ll play better come Playoffs time, they do that EVERY year. But the gap is closer, in fact if we can stay healthy i like our chances against them.

  • MUBWAR

    Is it normal that the Staple Center had more Clips wins than the so called 2 time defending champs…yawn

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Enigmatic, how does me quoting a web chat make me a hater?

  • MUBWAR

    lately

  • T-Money

    Orlando are a bunch of sissies. I was baffled by Stan’s post game comments. Really, your strategy is to pray LeBron misses jumpers? How about actually defending him and getting in his grill like Boston did in the playoffs? They weren’t praying for anything. Bron didn’t even have to fade on most of his jumpers! And Dwight.. you can mock guys that’s no problem, but you HAVE to back it up. You can’t do the photo shoot thing and the powder and then lay an egg.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m mostly just messing with you, AllBall. But I don’t give a damn what your boy Hollinger or anyone else says, Derrick Rose is playing better than Chris Paul this year.
    I’m not ready to say Rose is better than Paul, cause Paul’s not 100%. But Rose is having the better year, regardless of what his PER is.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Quentin Richardson needed more minutes. Hedo cannot guard Luol, let alone Bron.
    Now, i’m not saying Q can shut Bron down, but he can do a better job than Hedo.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Lakers were 38-12 this time last year….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Can we all agree and say that WHorlando f*cked up when they traded Gortat?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And I’ve been in Rose’s “army of unreasonably enthusiastic supporters” since kid was a Sophomore in high school. No apologies.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Derrick Rose is not playing better than Chris Paul. He is averaging more points, everything else Chris Paul is doing better.
    Before a whole bunch of people say something like ‘this old debate again’, you don’t have to read or comment on it. There will be a lot of other debates to pay attention to today.
    Enigmatic, your my boy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So they’re 4 games worse AND they’re 7 games out of the #1 seed? Did they ever NOT have the #1 seed last season in the West? Yeah, they’re not doing worse.

  • http://www.slamonline.com peter

    eboy, the last lakers 3-peat team won 58 games and was the 3rd seed in the west. talk to me in June buddy.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Co-sign T-Money

  • http://slamonline.com kap

    The Lakers had like four buzzer beaters at this time last year. If they didn’t make those shots last year their record and number of home losses would be the same and interesting enough to the same teams the lost to this year at home they beat those same teams at the buzzer last year. Like Kobe said, “holla at me when June gets here”. Why is that weirdo Eboy trying to discount the Lakers rings? Where’s your excuse when the Lakers didn’t have Bynum in ’08 and as I recall the Lakers were smashing Boston in Game 6 even before Perk got hurt. I never hear you discount other teams like the Spurs who beat the Nets and the Cavs (worst final team ever) or the Bulls who played the Sonics and still won despite Jordan struggling. So shut it up…

  • http://slamonline.com kap

    Aren’t the Miami heat the “Paper Champions”????

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, ‘that weirdo Eboy’.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I gotta take my ass to work but this ain’t over, AllBall.
    “I shall avenge my brother!”
    LOL heard Kenny Mayne yell that on Sportscenter one time few years ago, dude had me cracking up.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Haha, i’m glad, I don’t want to get into a full debate right now. TBC.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The last three-peat team had a guy named Shaq. Get back to me….oh wait, you can’t.

  • Stepfan

    So I think it’s safe to say that Dwight Howard will definitely leave Orlando once his contract is up. The Magic are not contenders in the East after making that trade.

  • Stepfan

    and Gilbert Arenas is a shell of himself.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Boy, Kap is a pure moron.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I don’t trust or respect the perspective or opinions of people who’ve never played basketball and are only good at math.

  • Mike from Spain

    I agree that the Lakers are playing worse than last season, I doubt that they’ll three-peat, but I don’t think it’s time to count them out of the championship run

  • Mike from Spain

    @ Eboy remember what team was #1 seed last year? What did the Celtics do with them?

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Kap, i know you were talking to Eboy but in 2003 the Spurs beat the 3-times defending champs before beating the Nets who were the finalist the year before. I’m killing anyone who’s gonna discount that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Royal

    Lakers were 41-9 fifty games into the 08-09 season…..

  • MUBWAR

    Yes Stepfan and he will sign with an Kobe and the LA Lakers

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Waoh, LBJ is quite impressive, amazing even, but during the last 6 minutes he was playing 4 a 3pledub and they could’ve lost bcuz of that.
    Now I’m thinking, playing like this, MIA can upset BOS in april, and then win this year bcuz I feel like the champ will come from the East.
    And ORL is no longer a contender, what happened?

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    Eboy, firstly the term is ‘couldn’t give a f**k’….if you ‘could give a f**k’ it means you care. As for the paper champ comments you sound like a damn noob who posts us daily reminders to why you should be banned from this site with your biased and waffling opinions on things. Please think before you start typing as you are an embarrassment.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    BC, I don’t know Hollingers background, it’s likely similar to the writers at NBA.com who gush over Rose every week.
    How many New Orleans games have you watched this year?

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    E, I’ll give you this. The Lakers will have a very hard time coming out of the West without home court advantage. As I’ve mentioned in this space before, I don’t believe they’ll beat the Spurs in a 7-game series. However, if they still manage to win a ‘ship this year, I will not be surprised. Many people in this very space wrote them off last year when they ended the regular season losing 7 of their last 9 games.

  • KB8toSG8

    @Eboy…..the last 3peat team had Shaq, Kobe and ???

    This team has LO, Kobe and Pau ( And Bynum when he’s okay ) Explain to me how this team isn’t more talented than the last 3 peat team and how the Lakers’ current struggles are more of a up-and-down season accompanied with lack of effort, adding new players into the mix and almost always brining back an injured player into the mix. LA’s problems, unlike other teams are easily fixable.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQHlcweY114&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL airs

    seems like just saying “derrick rose” sparks debate. but anyways, if you got some time on your hands, click my name and check out this mix my guy did for him. peace slamfam!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Well, my brethren;
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!
    Shout out @vtrobot.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Saviour….I’m still waiting for the time the SLAM moderators take the step to ban me. Unfortunately for dildo’s like you, I’m still here. Now, go fu*k yourself.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^Saviour’s been on a roll for a while, now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The previous 3 peat team was more talented, as Shaq is the MDE, and he was in his prime-ish years.

  • Max

    Greg’s expression at the end of the game said it all…

  • tRay

    What was funny was the reaction on Phil and Fisher’s faces when the tip-in happened lol they looked like nope didn’t count lets go home.

  • Byebye

    Labronvp
    They gonna have to name it after him
    It’s his to lose for the next 12 years smh

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Bron is going to win the MVP every year until he is 38?

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    I loved how the Magic crowd was booing Lebron every time he touched the ball until he hit about his eighth consecutive shot, then they became silent.

  • JTaylor21

    I love how laker sheeps are getting on E for speaking the truth. They sit there and act like everything’s all good when in reality the lakers are not looking so good right now. They keep on talking about how the Lakers went through the exact same thing last year but fail to realize that they never played this bad in ’10 nor has a PJax team ever played this bad in the RS before. The advantage LA had on the defensive end last year in Ron Artest is long gone, so teams are just getting to the rim at ease this year which forces non shotblockers like Pau and Bynum to try and play the role of one. If Orl is having a hard time stopping teams from scoring on them with Dhow in the middle, what makes laker sheeps think that their team could do any better?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    AllBall you’re on fire today. The fact that you’re agreeing with Hollinger should show you that you’re wrong. Hollinger’s PER also says that Ryan Anderson is a better player than KG, David West, Lamar Odom, and Lamarcus Aldridge. It also still has nash as the third best point gaurd in the league. You seriously can’t admitt that Rose is at least having a better season than Paul? Dude is averaging EIGHT more points a game and only 1 less assist. Which is damn impressive when you consider that he scores so much. CP3 is looking for the pass first and he’s only averaging one more assist a game. You like to talk about turnovers, but Rose is averaging only 1 turnover a game more than CP. Considering the Bulls play at a much faster pace, and that teams actually double team Rose, I think that’s impressive. Nobody double teams CP because you don’t need to double team a dude that goes off for 10 points a game. Its much easier to be efficient that way too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bron was vicious last night. When he’s locked in and hitting the jumper, you might as well go home. If Chris Bosh hadn’t been uncharacteristically broke from outside, the game would have been a laugher much earlier.
    Mike Miller is an outstanding role player. Watch dude on the floor, he makes like five super intelligent basketball plays every game. That pass to Dampier where Damp got called for a travel was a thing of subtle beauty. The backdoor cut where Bron missed him and just took a long hook was also great basketball. Dude needs even more minutes, if that’s possible.
    Dwight Howard is really good. The rest of the Magic, not so good.
    Lakers do not get Pau and Bynum enough shots. I don’t know what the damn problem is, but it’s a problem. And they played really bad defense at times.

  • http://Slamonline.com Sergio

    Saviour FTW!

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    This is funny…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teams track Chris Paul all the time on pick and rolls.
    Derrick Rose is averaging 8.2 assists and 3.4 turnovers. That’s a net of 4.8 assists.
    Chris Paul is averaging 9.6 assists and 2.3 turnovers. That’s a net of 7.3 assists.
    That’s a massive difference. That’s like the difference between 10 rebounds and 7.5 rebounds for a power forward.
    It is freaking huge.
    Derrick Rose is number one or two in the MVP race. He’s still number three in the “best point guard in the league” debate.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Wow, Bron just gave me a vintage MJ-in-vengeance-mode flashback with that performance. Maybe Duh-Wight and his boys should have spent more time getting their game faces on instead of chalk/photo session taunts before the game they would have kept things closer.
    The dry scowl he had on his face after his last 3 was too damn cool. Luv statement games like this.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    For a guy who might retire soon, ‘Dyess sure still plays so well. That tip in made my day; that and Wade pinning Howards layup attempt to the glass…with two hands.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hollinger’s system is great, if your smart enough to read the numbers subjectively.

  • tRay

    LeBron doesn’t have a killer instinct?
    Exhibit A- last nights game

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Allen – your numbers would be fascinating if the best turnover to assist ratio won you the game. ultimately, they all need to be converted to points. And Rose is putting up 8 more points a game. And your numbers also don’t take into effect that the bulls play at a much faster tempo than NO. And of the few games I’ve watched, I’ve never seen CP double teamed or trapped. Watch a Bulls game for 5 minutes and you’ll see Rose getting trapped or double teamed.

  • JTaylor21

    The reason why Pau and Bynum will never get enough shots is that bean guy. Dude will be dammed if Gasol’s the top scorer on the team, look at what happened at the beginning of the season, LA was playing lights out ball because Gasol was getting his fair amount of shots but as soon as KB went into his me first routine, LA hasn’t been as good since. If you don’t feed your big men, what incentive do they have to be physical, defend the paint and hit the boards?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you’ve never seen Chris Paul trapped then you haven’t watched enough games. That is a go-to strategy on the pick and roll for several teams.
    Also, maybe teams don’t double team paul as often becuase he’s less likely to turn the ball over, and he is a much better passer than Rose? If I was a coach, I would take away Rose’s strength, which is being a scorer, and force him to read my defense and find open teammates. Wouldn’t you?
    Paul is a better passer and defender and he runs his team better. He is getting team success out of a squad every expert predicted would be a bottom feeder despite being in his first year back from knee surgery. He’s beaten every top tier team in the League.
    Dude is a beast. He’s the best point guard in the league. But, he’s not having more of an impact on his team’s success than Derrick Rose, nor is he truly “carrying” his team like Rose, so therefore Rose is an MVP candidate and Paul is not.
    But, just because you’re putting up better scoring numbers does not make you a better player.
    I don’t know why that’s so hard to understand. Rose takes 9 more shots to get 8 more points. He’s taking more shots this year than Marbury ever took in his entire career! Of course he’s getting buckets.

  • JTaylor21

    “I never seen CP double teamed or trapped” What? There’s no way you’ve seen as many NOH games as you claim, no way. The only reason why people think that DRose is having a better season than CP is due to the fact that he’s scoring more, everything else leans towards CP. Assists, steals, FG%, 3pt%, FT% all say that CP is having the better season but since we are in a me-first era, people only look to PPG to tell them who’s the better player.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Diesel, the slow pace is the reason for CP’s ‘low’ assist numbers. 9.7 in that system is anything but low. Rose averages 8 more points on 9!! more shot attempts.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @Diesel you can’t possibly think calling out pace for turnovers and not points makes sense, if your discounting one your discounting the other. You can make a big deal out of who scores more, and who gets double teamed if you want, but I would just like to point out, Chris Paul kills every team that double teams him, he makes the right play almost every single time down the court. The Rose love is getting taken out of hand, he’s a great young player, but he isn’t better then Chris Paul, or Deron Williams, no matter what his raw statistics tell you.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Seriously.
    Paul is shooting 48, 45 and 90 from the floor. He’s averaging 2.6 steals. He’s averaging 9.6 assists. He’s only taking 11 shots. The only thing Rose is doing demonstrably better than Paul is score buckets, and he’s damn near doubled Paul’s shot attempts to get eight more points.
    Don’t you see the issue there? If the discussion was just about who is the best scorer, then I could see your logic. But it’s about who is the better overall player. As in, everything they do on the floor, who does it better.
    I don’t understand how people can overvalue scoring so much. Yes, it’s important, but it’s not the only important thing a player does.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    whoa wait, Allen, you have Paul or Williams now?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Rose is having as betetr season, I don’t know how that can be argued. Apparently CP3 is the only one who gets credit for doing a lot with a little. Up until Ariza went down, the Hornets supporting cast was better than anything Rose has been working with all year. yet Rose has carried the bulls to the second place (after tonight) in the East. Rose has also beat every top tier in the league so I don’t know how that can be used as an argument for CP. As for your arguments like “he runs his team better” thats all opinion. And I’m not just focusing on the points. I’m talking about the points, along with almost 9 assists and 5 rebounds a game. He’s just having a better year.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Not this again.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Don’t you guys see a problem when the only thing that you have to support CP is efficiency? Efficiency is great but it doesnt mean anything if you can’t convert it to REAL output. If i score 6 points a game on 100% shooting am I the best player in the league?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Not this again.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually Diesel, the only thing Rose does better then Paul is score. Check the stats yourself, and remember MPG does have an effect. And Rose’s “massive” scoring advantage is almost completely offset by the FACT that he shoots NINE more shots a game, for 8 points. The only reason Chicago is doing as well as they are is because they are the best defensive team in the league, not because Derrick Rose is all of the sudden a complete team changer, giant killer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “I think he’s actually surpassed Kobe when it comes to the Army of Unreasonably Enthusiastic Supporters.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I will keep this statement handy everything this Derrick Rose vs. The World argument starts up here.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *everytime

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    haha Eboy I was tryna save that incase things got outta hand, errr more out of hand

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How the hell is 8.2 assists almost 9?
    Using what math?
    That’s like saying Paul averages almost 11 assists.
    And 4 steals.
    Or 6 rebounds.
    Rose averages 8 assists. And 3.4 turnovers.
    Rose is having an MVP-caliber season. He’s not the better player. He’s not better than Chris Paul or Deron Williams. He’s just not there yet as a player.
    And if my argument that Paul runs his team better is merely opinion, then what is your argument that prior to Ariza’s injury the Hornet clearly had the better team.
    Based on what?
    Boozer > West
    Deng > Ariza
    Korver, Brewer, Bogans Okafor, Jason Smith, Mbenga
    I didn’t include Noah because he’s been out for a while, and yes I understand Boozer missed a chunk of the season as well. But, the Bulls have had either Noah or Boozer most of the season.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dammit, all my comparisons didn’t come through.
    Anyway, it’s arguable about who had the better team, even with Chicago’s injuries.
    I don’t understand how you can completely discount the impact taking nine more shots has on your scoring average.
    And we’re not saying that Paul is just more efficient, we’re saying that getting numbers inefficiently does not make you a better player than somebody who gets even better numbers, efficiently.
    If you take nine more shots to score 8 more points, that is huge. Just like if you get 9.6 assists with only 2.3 turnovers
    Nobody else does that, that’s insane.

  • Stepfan

    “He’s taking more shots this year than Marbury ever took in his entire career!”
    Allenp that’s hilarious.

  • http://www.nba.com Darksaber

    Slamonline, where neverending debates that do nothing to change one’s preconceived opinion of players….happen.
    In other words: not this again.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Right now, Rose is seventh in the league for scoring.
    He’s taking more shots per game than all of hte players ahead of him except Monta Ellis and Durant.
    And he’s only .3 behind both of them.
    That means he’s taking more shots than Amare, DWade, Kobe and LeBron.
    Look at those names. Come on.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Wow Allen, I’m quotting numbers off the top of myhead, did you really need that many words to call out me being off .8? Congratulations, you’ve won. As for NO and Bulls’ supporting cast, you’ve conveinently hid Okafor with the Bulls bench but he’s a top 10 center in the league. @nbk – when you log off of 82games and actually watch games, then you can tell me who’e having the better season.

  • JTaylor21

    Here’s the best way to solve this Drose vs CP problem; Rose is a faster, more athletic Starbury while CP is a Zeke clone.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Darksaber and Enigmatic
    I’m sorry, I promised myself I wasn’t going to do this anymore and I’m stopping. It’s no fun to argue about the same stuff over and over again with no change in people’s arguments or mindsets.

  • http://www.nba.com Darksaber

    Allenp, no apologies in order, man. We all have our favorite things to do here. Don’t let my sarcasm stop you. Your arguments are among the best structured anyway.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles brown

    I remember when the comments used to be worth reading.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I would just like to point out that these conversations always start because a hater speaks up. Crazy good games last night, none involving the bulls, and AllBall posts a comment about John Hollinger talking about Rose.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I’m done now too.

  • Stepfan

    CP3 has been ballin, but I still don’t think he trust his knee all the way. CP3 when 100% healthy can be just as explosive as Drose. But right now you got to give props to Drose. 24 ppg 8 ast and shooting 38% from three point range. The kid has worked on his game and has carried his team. But we are almost halfway through the season. Got a ton of basketball left to be played. But right now the MVP is between him and Lebron. And maybe KD just to piss everybody off. lol

  • JTaylor21

    I remember when people used to add to the convo.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I promised the same thing, Allen.
    My thing is, yes I’m a Bulls fan and a Rose fan and supporter.
    But I’ve never said on here that I think he’s the best player or even best point guard in the league.
    It would just be nice if certain people (AllBall) acknowledged that Rose’s play is having a better impact on his team and on the league as a whole than CP this year.
    And once again, screw John Hollinger. Why people think he’s such an authority on who the best players are is beyond me.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    And yeah, there really was no reason to post that Hollinger thing, AllBall. That’s bordering on trolling, homie!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel speaking of watching games, how many Hornets games have you seen this season? Cuz I’ve watched double digit hornet and bulls games. ANd the only thing i’ve said is that Chris Paul is a better player then Rose, I don’t even know who is more valuable to their team, but hey its nice to know what you revert too when your frustrated

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    1. I read that John Hollinger quote yesterday and said “gotta put that on SLAM today” but of course AllBall’s got that covered, you know it!
    2. Anyone remember that web comic about last year’s MVP race… which showed Lebron James “casually” scoring like, 75 points… and then had the basket begging Wade to stop hurting it and Wade was like “nahhhh.” And then Kobe is watching sports center talking about the two-man MVP race and he boldly shouts out “no… this will not do” and presses a button hidden behind a statue in his house… and the scene cuts to the suburbs, with some 12-year-old pasty kid’s room flashing red and he goes “Kobe needs me… alright Kyle, you can do this” then procedes to go on message boards saying “KOBE BRYANT FOR MVP LEBRON CAN SUCK A D–.” Yeah, that’s what that John Holinger quote reminded me of.
    3. The Lakers have one more home loss this year than they did all of last year. You know, for people who are downplaying it.
    4. Did someone say that it’s just perception that Lebron is a more willing passer than Kobe? I mean, perception and a 3-4 assist difference with the ball in their hands an equal amount of times. What a joke.
    5. Now with that all said… I do feel bad for kobe. He won two championships and an MVP playing exactly as he’s playing now. I get the whole “not feeding Bynum and Gasol” thing but they never demand the ball. Ever. How can we blame Lebron for that?
    6. I’m not going to really comment on the Magic v Heat game, because how could I? 51-11-8-1-1… That has been done ONCE in the past 25 years: MJ. So I’ll say something I know people sort of glossed over: PLAY DAMPIER MORE! God, he is SO MUCH BETTER THAN JOEL ANTHONY IT”S NOT FUNNY! He defended Dwight, blocked shots while keeping them in play, and had multiple great offensive plays (including that BS travel call). I know Joel Anthony is better and switching on the pick and roll, but I don’t think it makes up for his absolute lack of offense and hands which are made for turnovers. He also disappears, I mean disappears, in the final two minutes of every game. Boo.
    7. Why do people have trouble grasping that Chris Paul is a better player but Derrick Rose deserves MVP? Do people really have trouble grasping that MVPs are not necessarily the best player? Nash was not better than Shaq but got his MVP. Barkley was not better than Jordan but got his MVP. Erving wasn’t better than Bird but got his MVP. Cowens wasn’t even the best player on his team and got the MVP. Bill Russell wasn’t better than Chamberlain and Robertson but got the MVP multiple times from them. It’s about value, situationally to the year. People all have different ways of gauging value, but it doesn’t always have to mean “best.” Chris Paul and Deron Williams are simply better, and probably will be better, than Derrick Rose. But Rose is the front-runner (over Lebron, imo) for MVP. It’s not hard.
    8. I was hoping Kevin Love would make the all-star team, but they had to select Duncan. Now the reason I was hoping Love would make it is so that Aldridge would be injury replacement. Now it looks like Love will be injurty replacement and Aldridge will be left off. Pity. Not that I can really complain about the selection.

  • ClydeSays

    The Heat/Magic game was surprisingly lax until the last 5-6 minutes. The Heat got sloppy with a 20 point lead, LBJ and Wade started chucking up shots and missing then all of a sudden the Magic are back in it. The Heat have to remember to close out games and the Magic can’t sleepwalk through the first 3 quarters.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Number 5 should read “how can we blame Kobe for that?”
    I had Lebron on my mind for obvious reasons. Pause.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Co-sign what Jukai said about best player vs. MVP.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, it’s not about demanding the ball because Bynum and Pau especially are not vocal guys, so it’s up to their teammates to know that getting the ball inside makes the game easier for everyone else and gives the lakers a better chance at winning. It falls on Kobe because he’s the one that handles the rock the most, therefore he shoulders the blame for resorting to chucking the most inefficent shot in basketball and not feeding their big men. As Chuck likes to say, there are only two stats that determine which team wins on a give night; rebounds and points in the paint.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    @Jukai Didn’t kobe and wade have the similar numbers recently? They showed a stat that only 4 players had done that. MJ, Lebron, wade and kobe.

  • Flee23

    cp3 v drose again? … I don’t understand why this is even an argument. In terms of point guarding clearly cp3 is better just look at his shooting percentages across the board/asst-turn ratio/defense. Rose is the more flashier player and scores more but man… Just because you score more doesn’t make you the better player. Other than scoring what does rose do better than cp3? I don’t have their stats readily available but I know cp3 avgs more assists, shoots better from all ranges, has less turnovers, plays in a lower pace system and plays better D. All I am hearing from bulls fans is the fact that rose scores more and carries his team with that… Which is true. But I’m talking about “point guarding” not “combo guarding”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Didn’t Lebron have a 50, 11 and 9 performances against the Knicks the same year Kobe scored 60 on them? Where the League took away his triple double because of how he got an assist or rebound or something?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah it was the day after or week of the Kobe 60Pt game.

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    Dwight gets pinned by DWade looks at the ref as if this was a foul (?) and then comes to late to stop Wade on the break. He is a real windbag sometimes.

  • A.

    @Everyone: Yes he did have a 50-11-9 game… But other than MJ, no one had more than 50 points with 11 or more rebounds and 8 or more assists in the same game. The lists gets a bit longer when you bring the point total down just one point. But starting at 51, only two people.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Flee if you’re tired of the Rose/Paul debate why bring it up again?
    And Rose is no combo guard.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    JTaylor21: If you don’t demand the ball, people don’t know if you WANT the ball or not, if you’re in the best POSITION TO SCORE or not, and if someone else wants the ball over you. I mean, we all play ball, right? Whenever you play pick up ball, there are tall guys who are talented and tall guys who are only playing so they can rebound and block shots and do nothing else cause they’re just tall and their friends made them play. You know if they’re talented or not by them demanding the ball. If they just sort of slink around and are never in position to score, you never pass them the ball.
    Now, it don’t take a genius to know the situations are different. But if you’re a big, you gotta DEMAND the ball because you gotta let people know you’re in the position you want to score. Hell, beyond the obvious, it draws a lot of attention. Gasol and Bynum are so damn meek that no one ever knows if they want the ball or not.
    Sergio: I read last night the only player to do that was MJ against Phoenix in, I believe, 1989. It was something on ESPN Mobile. It could have been wrong. If you can find it, I’d love to know, I’m a stat dork like that.
    Allen: Yeah, Lebron had a 50-10-11 game but they took away a rebound cause, in fairness, Lebron ripped it out of Wallace’s hands, haha. You could TELL Lebron wanted a triple double this game cause he was passing it out to Bosh and Wade and sort of making that “Hey take the shot quick” face but then none of them were hitting and Lebron had to go back to being the scorer.
    And I KNOW the last person to have a 50-10-10 game was Abdul-Jabbar. So that’s crazy company.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Ah, thanks A!

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    if dyess didn’t tip it in, the tone of on the site today will be totally different. so all the haters/lovers need to slow their roll.
    a bone to pick: how are Pau and Bynum not vocal guys with all the “I want the basketball” complains to the media?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jt, your right, I don’t get why people come on here just to say that they are not going to comment.
    Allen, I could tell you were staying out of things, as I have made a lot of these references lately. Your logical/well constructed arguments are always welcome, don’t let one person put you off commenting (I know you stopped off your own back, because it got repetetive, but still).
    Since when did you have Paul over Deron? It’s about time!
    Enigmatic, that is not trolling, I never said Rose wasn’t MVP. You and Diesel keep asking ‘how can you not see he is having a better season’? How can you and Diesel not see that the ONLY thing he does better is score. Scoring is not the whole game, but it seems that is all that matters anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If your tired of the same arguments, don’t read the COMMENT section. The name it self gives away that there will be a lot of opinions.

  • A.

    @Jukai: No prob.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    AllBall, AGAIN alls I’m saying is Rose’s play is having a greater impact on the league this year than Paul’s.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, you’re 100% right but let me use another analogy. Have you ever played ball with a ballhog? It’s like before the game, you’re all happy and giddy to do your thing out there but as soon as you notice that there’s a guy on your team that comes down and chucks up every shot, you lose the desire and excitement you started the game with, the urge to crash the board and play hard on D is long gone because you know that the ball is never coming your way. The same thing probably happens within the laker big’s mind. Why play hard on D if I know that I’m going to recieve very few touches on the other end?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    There is no doubt Rose is having a greater impact on the L. He has a lot more buzz about him this year. You have never actually made that statement before. If you had I wouldn’t have debated it.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    JTaylor: You’re right, it’s probably a combination of factors, Kobe is obviously PARTIALLY to blame.
    My reasoning for putting greater blame on Gasol and Bynum is that there are many moments I see Kobe TRY to distribute the ball, even though it’s not a comfortable role and not his forte. I rarely ever see Gasol calling for it. He gets into position and sort of just sits there and watches the ball. It’s indicative of a guy who doesn’t want it, who just wants to block shots and get rebounds and not really try and play.
    But if you’re going to whine and cry to the media about Kobe taking too many shots, f*cking CALL FOR THE BALL! Say “GET ME THE BALL I WANT IT” when you’re in perfect post position. Don’t just wait for someone to realize you’re there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You would think a coach with 11 titles to his name would know how to hammer a point about feeding the bigs…without either of them having to SCREAM BLOODY MURDER to get a touch. Just saying.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    I mean, Kobe is not Magic Johnson. He’s not Jason Kidd and he’s not John Stockton and he’s not Walt Frazier. For thirteen years, he’s been trained to BE the assassin, to be the guy who needs to obliterate defenses with the ball and open things up for others.
    We’re trying to change the way Kobe plays most effectively, and if it’s for the good of the team, then it’s for the good of the team. But why can’t Gasol and Bynum change to be more effective around a top-3 NBA talent and top-10 all-time? That seems bizarre to me, like when Kobe drops 40 on great percentages and the team can’t find a way to win. That shows me that the team can’t contour around Kobe, only vise versa, and that’s total crap, that’s on the team. Kobe isn’t chucking 30 shots a game anymore, but if he’s hot, you gotta ride the hot hand, and it doesn’t seem like the Lakers can do that. So I’m looking down on the Lakers this year.
    You know I’m not a Kobe slurper, you know Lebron is one of my favorite players in the league. I just can’t blame Kobe for having trouble going away from what has won him five rings because his team can’t play for ANYTHING if Kobe is hot, even though they don’t mope!

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Eboy: I’m fine with blaming Phil too. Just not Kobe.

  • Max

    ^ Because it’s the NBA. If the Lakers are all that self-centered I can’t wait tell they implode, leaving behind the residue of failure. Spurs will be the Champs, enough said.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Anyway, I gotta bizounce guys, I’m rarely on this early anyway nowadays. Feel free to call me a moron and tell me how wrong I am while I’m gone, I give you permission.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    AllBall – I did at 12:55 today. Pretty sure I have before too. But it’s all good.
    You see the new NBA ad with the young Steph Curry and his pops Dell and the little kid? I thought it was weak.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I didn’t like that one and I didn’t like the new one with STAT, Enig.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Kobe vs LeBron.
    Derrick Rose vs Chris Paul.
    Kobe sucks.
    LeBron is great.
    Efficiency.
    Same ish, different toilet ’round here. Always…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    To be fair, Enigamatic always said the Paul was better, but Rose was having more of an MVP-type year.
    Diesel is really the only one who has consistently said that Rose is better than Paul.
    Bynum calls for the ball. He ain’t Pau. Bynum demands the ball and wants it all the time. He just doesn’t get it.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Eboy, wasn’t the STAT one like the fist one they came out with? Or is there another one?
    I watched them all.
    Two of them sh*ts was doo.
    The rest were “mehhh”.
    The other was Steve Nash.
    That’s a one hot commercial every few months average.
    And that’s so…LAAAAME!
    They should do LeBron, Kobe, Wade and D. Rose.
    That’d be dope.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Richard Jefferson was the player of the game. He’s really become a key cog in Greg Pop’s rotation… Just goes to show what a summer of coaching will do for a player, especially if that coach is Popavich.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Good lookin’ out, Allen.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yeah, they need to do a few others (all those names would be dope)….I’d personally like to see a Shaq one from when he was a youngster. I hadn’t seen the STAT one before last night….he has some goofy looking cornrows alone in a gym. I like the principle of the Curry one too, but it kind of bombed out.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Durant one lost all it’s credibility when it says, “you’ll be playing with some of the best players in the world….Russell Westbrook….Serge Ibaka” What?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That little kid in the Curry one felt lame. Like get away from me you little goober, me and my pops are having quality time.
    The Durant one was creepy because that dude just felt creepy gushing to some kid.
    The Nash one was cool except for Nash’s haircut. That was horrible.
    The Amare one was the best.

  • MUBWAR

    Can we stop with Rose only for today. We all know he is the sh!t but the bulls didn’t even play last night. Micheal Jordan left the city of Chicago with the hunger of an elite player. Rose is on his way to becoming that player but enough is enough Bulls fans. Now on other news, isn’t King James the best player in the world? lool

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Not this again.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    Jeff Green was rolling over in his grave.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    The Amare one was the worst, I thought. Just cause those two guys on there were lame as heck.
    “Takin’ that J train straight to the Garden”
    “There’s no J train to the Garden”
    “I gotta explain everything to you?”
    Lameness.
    The Chris Paul one felt…like they could’ve done more.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    It cracked me up when Dwight and the Magic did the picture taking schtick that the Cavs used to do. Hilarious.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    If they did one of Shaq in high school, the footage would look way too grainy. LOL, that was like back in 1989.

  • JTaylor21

    Cry, superiorhead cry. I wanna hear you cry about the world not being fair to your beloved rose and mamba getting a raw dea.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    The KD one was the weakest. KD isn’t responding to anything the guy is saying. You think they could have found a clip where he’s talking or doing something, so that they could be more interactive.

  • JTaylor21

    *deal.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    They should make some commericals of Shaq traveling back in time to games where he broke the rim/backboard/support and Future Shaq tells young Shaq to duck his head or watch out.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It would be funny if somebody made a spoof one for Iverson with footage from prison, and then Turkey.
    That would be hilarious.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I wanna see one of Gred Oden in elementary school…just to see if he had a beard back then.
    If they do one of LeBron, the guy talking to young LeBron HAS to say “you’ll be taking your talents to Cleveland…and then Miami.”
    Who the hell you talking about, JTaylor?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    *Greg

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, I’m talking to the person who sprinkles rose petals on his bed every night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan Crawford?

  • retrobat

    @Eboy In response to your question of whether or not the Magic screwed themselves with the trade of Gortat, I have to respectfully disagree. Whereas I do feel that Gortat was a very good reserve, I think the trade was actually a pretty good one. I know that everyone was commenting about how the Magic had to play Howard for so long last night, but at the time of the trade, we had a very healthy Brandon Bass who was performing quite well. Jason Richardson has been a great pickup and I think having Turk back will pay dividends in the future. One thing that I think people do not realize about that trade is that we got rid of two very unproductive players in Vince and Rashard and were able to get JRich and Turk in return, along with Gilbert Arenas (whom, admittedly I think should be starting over Jameer, but that’s for another day). In any event, the Magic clearly still have a lot of work to do and without a doubt, Lebron James was the man last night. Miami is obviously on the rise and will undoubtably only get better. Personally, I look forward to a possible playoff series between these two teams.

  • JTaylor21

    Who? Superiorhead is more like it.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    John Paxson?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Stacey King?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Jerry Reinsdorf?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    John Calipari?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out to… ME!
    lol

  • tRay

    All of Chicago?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I like rose petals on my bed, it makes the sheets smell nice.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
    By any other name would smell as sweet.”

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I like rose petals on my bed cause it’s usually a sign I finna get laid that night.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^^NICE!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    “Rose petals? Let me find out Enigmatic an’ ol’ Betty Crocker-type dude. Baking cakes for snatch.
    No need for rose petals for snatch over here, son. I don’t even need sheets. Just box springs and booty.”

    My bad, I was reading the fake Ghostface blog before I typed that comment.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    You guys LIKE those creepy new NBA commercials? The Amare and Durant one are downright CREEPY. The guys seem like pedophiles. “Oh man look at him he looks like a MAN CHILD!”
    It’s creepy and makes me uneasy.
    The Nash one was alright cause it was a kid, but the “change someone’s life” spot was lame, and he Chris Paul one looked fake.
    I haven’t seen the Curry one, but please tell me it’s not two creepy dudes with mustaches commenting on how the kid looks JUST like an adult while using words like “wow” and “oh, man…”

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    LOL @ AllenP,
    Jukai – the one of Curry is Curry as a kid shooting around at an arena with his dad Dell, and there’s some other kid going on about how ten years from now he and his dad are gonna watch Stephen play at Golden State. The Currys ignore the kid and he just walks away, looking dejected.
    LOL I actually kinda felt bad for the kid. Even though it’s fake. Ha ha.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Anyone else see Dampier just get a rebound and put it back up? It was a pretty basic play, but a god damn highlight for Joel Anthony.
    Haha, sorry, I really dun like Anthony.
    Enigmatic: Haha, piss poor.
    KEVIN LOVE REPLACEMENT! Good job, Stern.

  • http://Slamonline.com Kap

    Kobe had 53 10 8 back in ’07 so that earlier stat bout Lebron being only one to accomplish that since Jordan is false.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Kap: Yeah, except the statement was 51-11-8 and not 53-10-8. So, yeah, statement still stands.

  • Blasphemy

    BTW. Enigmatic wins for the Takeover diss. You played that well. Usually the NBA has great commercials these past in retrospect are really lame.

  • Blasphemy

    Allenp were can I find that fake Ghostface blog! I can’t find it!

  • JTaylor21

    Who’s the 5 dumbest players of all-time? Think about it; Chalmers, Chalmers, Chalmers, Chalmers, and Chalmers.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    ZACH RANDOLPH WAS NAMED PLAYER OF THE MONTH AND HAS HIS TEAM IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!! IF IT WERENT FOR THE HISTORICALLY HORRIBLE CAVS, THE LWOLVES WOULD BE THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE. TOTAL BS!!!!!!! ZBO SHOULD HAVE MADE IT. FUCCN PLAYER OF THE MONTH!!!!!

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Racism, Tarzan?

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Sorry, that sounded condescending– I’m asking for yer honest opinion.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    jukai, racism by the writers who have been hyping him all season. racism by stern. and stern going with the hyped player, the talked about one. its not like zbo is avg 20 13 and has his team in the playoffs. player of the month. …….. 11-37. this is sickening. i dont hate kevin love. if the lwolves were 9 seed, id be cool with love being an all star, but theyre beyond turrible. love obviously isnt helping his team win much. zbo earned his spot. love was gifted his by the splooge covered writers, and stern selling the bs.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Tarzan: I’m pretty sure the all-star game is about showcasing the NBA’s best talent, not rewarding those who are doing well because of their team’s record. I’m more disappointed Aldridge wont make it, who worked hard for it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL @ JTaylor for that Chalmers comment spoofing that spot from Dave Chappelle spoofing Dylan from Making the Band.
    “Cause I spit hot fiyah!”

  • Pharoah

    wtf is the difference between 2 points and 1 rebound? still a 50-10-8

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