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Monday, February 28th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  313 responses

Post Up: The New Danger

The new-look Knicks make their presence known.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

L.A. Lakers 90, Oklahoma City 87

Nobody on the Lakers put up big numbers, but let’s talk clutch: Kobe Bryant (17 points) hit a fadeaway with just under a minute remaining (clutch); Pau Gasol (clutch) drew a charge on Russell Westbrook (not clutch) on the ensuing possession; then, after two missed free throws from Lamar Odom (not clutch), both Kevin Durant (not clutch) and James Harden (not clutch) missed open looks that would’ve tied things up with little-to-no time remaining. The point: in a close, back-and-forth dogfight, as is often the case, whomever came through in the clutch (OK, done with that word) was going to pull it out. This time, experience won out, but this’ll only add to the Thunder’s tally of big-game reps, and that, I imagine, is a good thing.

(But yeah, the Thunder do need to work on ball movement and halfcourt offense, specifically in the last few minutes of big games, when everything slows down and you need to grind out buckets. Neither Kendrick Perkins (out 2-3 weeks) nor Nazr Mohammed (day-to-day) was active, so the team’s dynamic will mostly change as those guys get worked in over the next month or so.)

Philadelphia 95, Cleveland 91

They’re getting very little attention, but the Sixers are rolling these days, slowly trotting upwards in the East. With the Knicks win (more on that in a sec), the Sixers stayed within one game of NYK, sitting at seventh with a 30-29 record. The Cavs threatened late, pulling to within three with only 48 ticks remaining, but a JJ Hickson (22 points, 16 boards) turnover ended Cleveland’s chances of sneaking away with a W.

Phoenix 110, Indiana 108

After screwing up and committing a foul that allowed the Pacers to tie it up with some free throws, Channing Frye made up for it, hitting a J as the OT buzzer sounded that’ll earn him a spot on the next incarnation of this list. Indiana had previously outscored Phoenix 27-17 in the final quarter to force overtime, but couldn’t come through when it matter to snatch the victory. Meanwhile,it turns out Grant Hill is still thoroughly opposed to aging, as he put up 34 points and grabbed 9 boards. Must be nice.

Minnesota 126, Golden State 123

Kevin Love doesn’t seem to be a big fan of all the losing the Wolves have been doing, so he decided to change that. Extending his double-double streak to 46 with a 37 and 23 performance, Love led Minny past a struggling Golden State squad. The Warriors had a chance to get the win, but Monta Ellis‘ game-winning attempt was swatted by the taller Wesley Johnson, and the TWolves hung on to end their seven-game losing streak.

Orlando 100, Charlotte 86

The Magic just have the Bobcats’ number, it appears. Orlando took down Charlotte easily at home, defeating the Cats for the 12th time in 14 meetings behind Dwight Howard’s 20 points and 10 boards. Stephen Jackson (35 points) did his best to keep his squad competitive, but got little assistance. Well, no assistance, to be honest. The loss pushes the Bobcats out of the top eight in the East; they now sit at ninth, a half-game behind Indiana.

Dallas 114, Toronto 96

The Raptors came out hot, going up by as many as 19 in the first, but once the Mavs got going—you know. Dirk Nowitzki dropped 31 and Shawn Marion put in 20, as Dallas cruised by Toronto and picked up its sixth straight win. Amir Johnson notched a solid 21-point effort in the loss.

Houston 91, New Orleans 89

Chris Paul (6 points, 2-12 from field) had an off night, and the Hornets still almost came away with a victory, but Willie Green’s game-tying attempt with under 10 seconds left rimmed out. Kevin Martin put on an efficiency clinic, scoring 33 on 8-15 from the floor and 13-13 from the line, while Kyle Lowry put in 18. The W is the fourth straight for the Rockets, who still stand a few games out of Playoff contention in the West.

San Antonio 95, Memphis 88

The good news, of course, is that the Spurs overcame the Grizz to up their record to 49-10, and that Manu Ginobili went completely off, scoring 18 in the fourth quarter (35 total) to lead San Antonio to victory. The bad: Both Tim Duncan and Tony Parker went down with injuries at some point, and though Duncan returned, Parker did not. So as great as the Spurs have been, it might be time for that rest-y period where the vets chill and begin preparing for postseason play. This contest was close late, but an 8-0 run, which included a Ginobili go-ahead layup, seal things up.

New York 91, Miami 86

Wow. So, this happened. The Heat had a slight advantage for the game’s majority, but some tough D down the stretch (which wasn’t the case for, um, the entire 48) along with some really, really clutch (yeah, had to bring it back) play from Chauncey Billups propelled the Knicks over Miami late in the fourth. Things were pretty sloppy (the Knicks and Heat shot 38.8 and 43.2 percent from the field, respectively), and I’ll hesitantly say the competition loosely mirrored the late-90s Miami-NY action. Carmelo Anthony dropped 29, while the Miami triumvirate combined for 59, which is way lower than it’ll need to be in the future. And, if you ask me, it seems the Knicks made a great trade last week, maybe because of the Melo addition, but definitely because of the dude that’ll be running point for the next season and a half. In only his third game with the team, Billups demonstrated smarts, fearlessness, and playmaking ability—in other words, Billups was essentially what Ray Felton has been this season, but better. Miami hosts the Magic Thursday, but not before the Knicks take a turn in Orlando tomorrow night.

Atlanta 90, Portland 83

Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson combined for 55, as the Hawks went up big in the second/third and then held on late to defeat the surging Blazers. With the Knicks looking pretty damn great last night, and the rest of the East beefing up by adding experience and talent every day, the Hawks will need to improve if they plan to keep pace—so this win over a Western contender was definitely a good look. Oh, and props to Zaza Pachulia, who thoroughly embraced his enforcer role by scoring only 2 points while grabbing 12 boards.

Last Call: Channing Frye, for the win.

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  • http://www.realgm.com Gman

    Bosh needs to become CB4 for the Heat team to really go. Wade needs to play better against the leagues best.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    In New Orleans, Dick Bavetta decided to “take over the fckin game”, to quote Jerry Stackhouse. With NO up around 16, CP did the rip through move that has been called a foul all season, Bavetta was standing right next to the play, but there was no whistle.
    The next possession, Bavetta called CP for a tech, which is just bad officiating. In basketball terms it’s like turning the ball over then commiting a foul.
    This doesn’t excuse CP’s turrible shooting night, but if the officiating hadn’t of drastically changed on one side from the 2nd to 3rd quarters (every ticky tack foul was called on NOH through out the 3rd, compared to consistent refereeing in the 1st half), it would not have been a close game.
    nbk, I read a comment from you a few days ago mentioning how teams rarely win championships with a SF as their best player, it was in reference to a Deron/Melo debate. Do you think it will apply to Bron? Cleveland found it hard to build around him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Melo was sick, I can watch that guy shooting mid-range jumpers all day and he rebounds the ball so well, but what impressed me most was his D, yes Melo’s D, his footwork was very good when he matchep up with LeBron, active hands, when this guy focuses he has really nice defense, Billups was awesome and these Knicks can be dangerous. If I was a Miami fan I’d seriously started to worry because you can keep telling yourselves that when the playoffs roll around you’ll be fine but they keep losing to teams that are good and unlike the Lakers they haven’t proven sh*t in the playoffs, so they can expect to turn it on or something.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    I was so glad to see to Melo except the challange by guarding Lebron especailly after George Karl through Melo under the bus last Thursday. Once again where was D-wade? Another big game, and he did not show up once again. Mr. Big Shot is the key to how far the Knicks will go. Major upgrade from Raymond Felton. Major.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    *can’t

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    *accept

  • Riggs

    Don’t forget STAT getting a key block in the last seconds.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m looking for the high-flying artist formerly known as Flash, has anyone seen DWade?

  • MUBWAR

    Bosh played well and off course the King played well. But why is Wade shut down against the Elite Teams(did I just considered the Knicks Elite?) Amazing rejection by Amar’e at the end. Absolutely amazing game. We need a playoff series with these 2 in it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Filipino Simpleton…..Sporon…..Almost Out Of A Job, pick the one you like the best. It’s almost over for The Smiling Simp.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lebron sucked at the end, Dwyane sucked the whole game, Amare made one great play and Melo was tough all night. But in the end it came down to this: Chauncey made huge plays…..Chalmers can’t even make a wide open layup by himself on a one on none break. Oh and then there’s: Dampier +16/Anthony -17. See where the coaching problems come into play?

  • http://nicekicks.com Meloman2.0

    That game was so intense… just wanna say props to Melo and amare for steppin up on D, and Chauncey for his ridiculously clutch play. but some people act suprised, what is Melo’s record against Bron since they joined the league? its been near domination

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Miami’s March schedule: Orlando, San Antonio, Chicago, Portland, Lakers, Memphis, San Antonio, OKC. Good luck with that.

  • http://nicekicks.com Meloman2.0

    and im gunna have to split the Superhead award for choker of the day three ways: Lebron, Bosh and Kevin Durant proving yet again that they are UN-clutch

  • MUBWAR

    Bosh played extremely well Meloman. stop the hate and look at the sleeping d3

  • Mvp23100

    Miami needs to take those lumps theirs no front-running in the playoffs very sloppy play at times on both sides still a great game though

  • MUBWAR

    Billups won this game for the Knicks. In the final minute, he strip bron than dished with no bucket. On the 2nd possession, he striped Bosh and made a tough layup. Then he comes and makes a long triple. That’s why he is the 2004 NBA Finals MVP

  • cramzy

    Why are there no plays called for dwade in the clutch anymore? We’ve seen Lebron choke every single time this year, even in the All-star game. Switch it up Spo!

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    About Joel Anthony, i was wondering why Spo kept him in the game cause he literally doesnt do anything. Funny possession at the end, with 1:30 left in the 4th, Wade gave him the ball JUST UNDER THE FREAKING BASKET with no one around and he did … nothing, instead of going straight for an uncontested dunk.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    I can see Spo being relieved of his duties, certainly. But who will replace him? Not someone currently on the coaching staff has the juice to command these players. And the fallout from Riley coming down would be ugly. Although if Mikey says make it so, Riley will be coach. But our problems run much deeper than a coaching change. And after watching some of the postgame interview, I’m sensing some frustration between Lebron and Dwyane.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    I can see Spo being relieved of his duties, certainly. But who will replace him? Not someone currently on the coaching staff has the juice to command these players. And the fallout from Riley coming down would be ugly. Although if Arison says make it so, Riley will be coach. But our problems run much deeper than a coaching change. And after watching some of the postgame interview, I’m sensing some frustration between Lebron and Dwyane.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    sorry about the duplication. so mad I had to say it twice. :(

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    A few games ago, Wade got into The King’s ass and had him choking at the foul line to lose the game.

  • Mvp23100

    Cramzy
    You know why their wasn’t plays ran for dude he wasn’t on sh*t and it’s been like that vs competitive teams

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Cheryl, there’s always an option. To be honest, I think Rothstein would do a better job, especially managing late game situations than Spo has done. As far as Wade and Bron having “friction”….don’t believe it. They’re not frustrated with each other…..they need to use the frustration and do more. They haven’t done enough lately.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    I watched my Spurs play against the Grizzlies last night and man they’re tough to play. Call me crazy but they’re probably the last team Dallas, LA and SA wanna meet in the 1st round, especially LA with Tony Allen/Shane Battier on Kobe, Gasol and Zach in the post, they need Rudy Gay back thought. They wont pull an upset but they will be hard to deal with.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    It’s too late to replace Spo right now. We’re at the end of the season. You can’t try and implement a new coach, cause you can’t implement his style when you’re so close to the playoffs. I’m sorry, right now Miami has gotta try their best and do what they can.
    And since my aggravated complaints after watching Miami’s first three games are now everyone’s aggravated complaints, I’m pretty happy with myself. But I wont go too much into that.
    Also, don’t look now, but Phoenix is gunnin’ for that eighth spot!!

  • Brian

    @Mubwar: i didnt say Bosh played bad, i said he choked under pressure at the end of the game, proving yet again that he is un-clutch

  • Brian

    You can’t expect the Heat to compete against teams that have been playing together for so long. That’s not fair.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    If the Lakers had lost to the new look Knicks, you know JTaylor, Mubwar and co would be all over this with the usual ball-hog this, selfish that etc but your man Lebron has missed quite a few game tying/winning shots these past few weeks. Still no critique of The Man.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    Man… I don’t know how Houston won that game. It was bizarre.
    Hornets were up double digits midway through the 4th.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Nick: If it means anything, I’M down on the dude. I don’t like unclutch cause he’s hit plenty of game winners. I think “mentally weak” is a better term because once the pressure builds, he does falter at times.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Melo has more wins in head to head games against Bron right? I was thinking about last year OT thriller in Cleveland. Bron went off but Melo hit the dagger, and played great D. Mentally I think Bron knows he can’t beat Melo. Melo even though he is a ball hawk he is truly un-d-able.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    I don’t think Karl threw Melo under the bus.

    I think that i’m gonna post something later this morning (out west) about the Melo/Karl situation.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    The King is still the best player on Earth, though.
    But we all know AND recognize that, right? It honestly and truly goes without saying. I figured I’d say it again, anyway.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    For some reason my comment came out from Brian… but yea, not sayin bosh played bad, hes just not clutch, same with bron and kd

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Stepfan: I know Melo dominates head-to-head, but I don’t think it’s a mental thing. I just Melo just won more matches, haha.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    “the Knicks can’t play defense”…….lmao, lets see how many people still think like that. Straight put the clamps on the Heat. I’m telling you man, these boys are coming out of the East…

  • MUBWAR

    53 combine three points attempts was the low point of the game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Nick, you make a valid point. Instead, the blame is put on D Wade.
    Bron turned the ball over twice (yes, a blocked shot counts), and missed a potential game tying shot for the 2nd time in 4 days.
    On a seperate subject, last night is another example of why I don’t have any trust in the Knicks. Lose @Cleveland, then come back and win in Miami.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Phil, I don’t think that he is. I’m still giving that crown to Kobe when both guys are healthy, or close to it. I’m also going with Kobe in the play-off format, where you get a days rest between games.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So with one win, the Knicks are “coming out of the East”? For real? They’re going to beat Boston, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta and Orlando in a series or three to make the Finals? Someone really just wrote that? Wow.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I can’t wait for the playoffs to start! A Heat-Knicks playoff series would be appointment viewing….brings back memories of Van Gundy acting as Zo’s leg warmer. Now, I’m not a hater, but it appears to me that LeBron has a limited set of offensive skills. Sure, he’s a physical specimen/superior athlete, but if he can’t drive to the hoop, 70% of his scoring options are gone. This may be why he sometimes struggles in late-game situations. Plus, it’s unclear what plays the Heat are running in end-game situations, but that’s a whole other story.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just like there’s Twitter trends, here’s Eboy’s Twat trend: in back to back games, the Heat have given up double digit leads and lost single digit games to two other Eastern Conference playoff teams. You can go ahead and sh*t on Bron like he is the cause of it all, but Sporon truly has no idea how to manage these guys when there’s upheaval in a game. When things are going well, he can just hide his mismanagement, but guess what Sporon, the spotlight is going to only get brighter in the next 60 days.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Thirty seven points and twenty three rebounds. Incredible.
    Gotta luv how Phoenix is winning lately, I like how Marcin Gortat is getting a chance to showcase his talent.
    And what has Kevin Martin been eating, the guy is really skying to the hoop this season, that backdoor cut play Houston implements to get him an easy jam; so nice and fast.
    Lots of intensive games last night, that’s the kind of nba drama I like to see, Boobie, Mo and Bron chickfights are lame.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    AllBall:
    Yeah, many people would agree with you.
    I’ll say this; There are many areas where The King is better. There are few areas where Kobe in fact has the edge.
    It’s funny though. The King is proving to be among the most statistically dominant players of all time.
    But Kobe too, right?
    Preference at the end, I guess.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    E, I think (I hope?) Kamla was joking about them coming out of the East. Also, we know the Knicks “can” play defense, but they often choose not to. Whether or not they give a sustained defensive effort during a playoff series remains to be seen.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    @Jukai touche once again hahaha

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Around the low seed, the Knicks are probably the team that matchup the best with Miami. In terms of confidence, they know they can run with them which is a plus in the Playoffs. Im not sure if Philly, Indiana or even Atlanta have that same confidence.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    I never seen a one legged man play basketball until last night. Brandon Roy please shut it done until your fully healthy.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Philo…Stats don’t win rings…kobe wins rings. I also said last week that Melo does a better job on anyone holding LBJ.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    San Antonio vs Memphis was faaantastic. Timmy, who can hardly clear a piece of paper while jumping nowadays, truly battled it out against Gasol and Z-Bo.
    And Manu, damn Manu, what a game. Frustrated the hell outta that Grizz backcourt, still amazing with his sudden cuts.
    But Spurs IL is looking grim. Parker and Neal (contributors) and Tiago (sadly, a bust so far) are all banged up.
    Wouldn’t be surprised if Pop started losing more games now just to get his guys healthy for the postseason.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    LBJ defense is so overrated. I saw Rose and Melo take him off the dribble at will the last two games.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    As impressive as Kobe’s annual numbers are (25,5,5,1-2 steals), Bron’s per game averages are better now than Kobe’s have ever been.
    Kobe’s excellence statistically is in his longevity, just look at how he is climbing the all time scoring list.
    However, raw regular season statistics are not enough to prove who is the better player.
    In regards to your statement “There are many areas where The King is better. There are few areas where Kobe in fact has the edge.” I disagree. Kobe is the more complete player to me.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Only thing Bron has had on Kobe is his size and being a more willing passer.

  • allenp

    Miami was killing.them early then stopped runnintheir sets with.purpose and went into cruise control.
    I understand why Spo played Anthony. Early on the Williams and Amare combo put a lot of pressure on Damp to handle Amare since he couldn’t chase williams to the arc. But Damp figured it out and was a force inside because Amare doesn’t like to bang. Spo got worried about the potential mismatch and didn’t notice that Joel kills his teams offensive flow.
    Miami needs to move decisively in the half court and atop lollygagging. Wade has to improve his ability to attack quickly and everybody on the squad needs to stop jumping to pass.
    Bron has never had ice water in his veins. He and Dirk or similar. Both hit shots in the clutch but boy can be overwhelmed by the moment.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Dark, i hope someone here will put the video of Duncan blocking Zach 3 times in the same possession, it was like Olajuwon in his prime.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    AllBall: Really? Kobe is a better scorer and on-ball defender. Lebron is a better passer, rebounder, and weakside/help defender. Now, one can argue that Kobe’s combination of immense scoring and lockdown D overshadow Lebron’s advantages over Kobe, I get that, but I think Lebron would be considered a more ‘complete’ player.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Has there ever been a coach that people’s opinion’s on change so frequently? People have mentioned him for Coach of the Year and begged for his firing in the same year. That’s got to be a first right?

  • Mvp23100

    And with all that being said the Heat are still 1/2 in the east two games Brons not clutch I guess the league is what have you done for me lately I’m still not a bit worried if we meet the Bulls or the Knicks in the playoffs at all

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    The Kobe-LeBron debate AGAIN?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    @MVP – let’s have the record conversation again at the end of March.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Jukai…I don’t think Lebron is a better passer I just think he is a more willing passer. Kobe’s biggest plays of his career have been passes. The one in the WCF against Portland and the one against the Magic in Game 4 to Gasol. Lebron is a better rebounder but he should at 6’9 250.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Bron is a more willing passer. I think Kobe is a better passer.
    Kobe has a superior basketball I.Q. I have read or heard a lot of quotes talking about how Kobe’s understanding of the game is second to none. I don’t think that, but I do think that he understands the game better than Bron.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Jukai…Kobe is the most fundamental guard in the nba while Lebron lacks a lot of fundamentals. Why do you consider Lebron more complete? Bc he rebounds more and gets more assists? Whereas Kobe has few flaws to his game, Lebron has several that are overshadowed but his supreme athleticism.

  • LakeShow

    “Its the coach” really??? he made LeBron miss clutch jumpers? lol. i love this. Didn’t NY lose to the Cavs a couple days ago? ahahahaa

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    That clutch factor is keeping the Kobe-Lebron debate an ongoing one whether people want to admit it or not.

  • Noel

    The Heat have a grizzly schedule over the next month; we’ll see how ready they are for the playofffs

  • Mvp23100

    @Diesel
    No problem nobodys catching those 2 top seeds in the east and yes I see the Bulls right now

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just imagine if the Heat had lost to a team like the Cavs like the Knicks, Lakers and Celtics ha…..wait…what?

  • http://www.double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    New York, New York…..Tell Spike to give Landry his jersey back.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Would rather lose to a team I won’t see in the playoffs than lose every game against every team I could possibly play in the playoffs.

  • Mvp23100

    @Lakeshow
    I thought Y’all lost to the Cavs a few nights ago as well

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Heat have a lot of issues. But they are still IMO the second best team in the east, and will play the part in the playoffs. – But let me holler at my Bulls homies for a second, did ya’ll sign Rasual Butler today? That’s a real good pickup if that’s true

  • Feez22

    Lebron has missed 2 straight clutch threes against respectable competition… wade doesn’t like to show up in big (or marquee) games and bosh… well he is what he is. Lebron is basically the team’s most “consistent” player. How many times will wade straight out dissapear in a game like this? How many times will we see bosh settle for a jumper instead of get in the post? How many times will we see lebron essentially play well the first 46 mins and die off the last 2? Something’s gotta give here. Fact is Wade is not the same player he was in 06, Lebron is not the same player from 08-09 (imo his BEST season) and bosh is hardly recognizeable from what he was last yr physically and all… All of this is troubling as except for wade, bosh and bron are supposed to be entering their primes. maybe its just an adjustment period… but im seeing regression across the board with these guys. And sorry but i have to blame the coach for that. They still have a basic offense with predictable sets and the same one on one BS we have seen all year. The spurs probably run more plays in a quarter than the heat do all game… ok maybe 1 half. Except for bosh, the coach is supposed to get the most out of all of his players. This obviously isn’t happening. I exclude bosh from this because bosh’s regression is HIS OWN DOING!!! Nobody told bosh to shed the weight that made him HIGHLY EFFECTIVE LAST YR rebounding and playing on the inside. His shedding of his weight makes him a totally different player than what the heat thought they were going to sign. He essentially SCREWED the heat for personal motive… Im sure Pat Riley is frustrated in that aspect. But ya lebron needs to get it together. So does wade. Wade usually EXCELS in big games. He is looking like mo williams in them now… Maybe that’s lebron’s fault? or maybe its the coaches fault for having absolutely no movement in the offense… A lot of things can be blamed. Heat fans, time to panic?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Celtics lost to the healthy Cavs team, on opening night in Cleveland. That’s a lot different to the Cavalier team that beat LA and NY.
    Kap, records against other top teams in the regular season are not an indication of what will happen in the play-offs. That is the reason why Miami’s victory over the Lakers this year is completely irrelevant.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Rasual would be nice for the Bulls but he’s not versatile. He at least can make three’s that are sorely lacking from their starting two spot now……but he’s more of a 3, right?

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Allball & Kap: I’m sorry, there’s no way you can sell me that “more willing passer” stuff. I’ll debate a lot, but not that. Kobe has never averaged more than six assists a game, Lebron had over eight. There’s a massive difference in their passing ability.
    Perhaps passing ability isn’t fair, bu “willing passer” isn’t fair either. It’s court vision. Lebron just sees people far better than Kobe does. I mean, far better. I mean, some people call Lebron the best passing three of all-time. Some people say Kobe is the biggest ball hog two guard of all time. Some people are wrong, but if enough people agree…
    And please don’t discount Lebron’s rebounding advantage. Jerry West agrees with me: just cause Lebron is taller and more physically imposing than Kobe, doesn’t mean it should be a discredit to Lebron. Because Lebron is taller, he is a better rebounder. I mean, Steve Nash is 6’3 and Tim Duncan is close to seven feet. Should we discount Tim Duncan’s rebounding advantage over Steve Nash? Makes no sense.
    So my point still stands. Kobe > Lebron at scoring, on-ball defense. Lebron > Kobe at passing, rebounding, help defense. I’m not saying Lebron’s better (well, he’s better now, but Lebron at 26 compared to Kobe at 26? Eesh, toughie….) but I am saying it’s silly to say Kobe is more complete.
    In all fairness, I believe their even. What Kobe lacks, Lebron has, and what Lebron lacks, Kobe has. What puts Kobe far ahead of Lebron and will keep him ahead is his accolades and longevity. And Lebron has seven years and five championships of catching up to do, which doesn’t look good.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    nbk, i was wondering the same thing. ive been hearing stuff about butler to the bulls but nothing online so far confirming it. didnt have to give anything up for it so i think its a great pickup for us at the 2 spot, if its true of course.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Allball…It helps teams build confidence knowing they can beat you. For example…In 2007 GSW took to Dallas everytime they played in the regular season so when the playoffs started they had extra confidence they could beat Dallas. Basketball is all about confidence.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Eboy – Yeah naturally he is a 3, but he is a very solid defender, and much better shooter then Bogans so he can’t hurt. He’s also much more athletic then all of their other options with a legitimate jumpshot, which is what keeps Ronnie Brewer from heavy minutes if i’m not mistaken

  • http://bulls.com airs

    and wow, i had no idea dude was turning 32 this year.

  • Riggs

    but the heat lost to the knicks lakers and celtics so….?

  • Riggs

    i hate this comment system.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Royal

    Heat did not lose to the Lakers..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm…the Heat haven’t lost to the Lakers.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @jukai…the triangle also doen’t allow for players to have high assists numbers also. I think the “willing” part is very accurate. There’s also the nonsense that Kobe doesn’t make his teammates better…Chris Mihm, Smush Park, Brian Cook, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown and even Gasol have had their best careers playing with Kobe. Do you also think Lebron plays to get his stats? Some nights I watch he tries hard to get stats. Do you not agree?

  • Feez22

    I however want to go in on the aspect of lebron getting blamed for just about everything this season. Firstly to the laker fans… Kobe has a 22.00 efficiency this year. That is on the level of some rookies/2nd yr players this yr. That is why people call lebron a better player. Its like laker fans disregard stats when talking about the best player convo… kinda ridiculous no? especially a stat like efficiency… I don’t see how that can be denied. Secondly, the clutch factor. Lebron has missed 2 straight 3′s that could have tied games v. respectable competition. Thats not good. However lebron getting the brunt of the blame? Bosh goes 1-18 v. chi and wade again wilts in a big game for 12 pts on 5-15 shooting and its all lebron’s fault… ok. Wade and Bosh miss clutch shots in both games and its all lebron’s fault? ok. Wade gets hit with go ahead buckets from rose, billups and deng(partially to blame) and its lebron’s fault. Sure. In terms of the heat’s bench, they have no one that’s versatile. Mike miller could be that guy but he’s made of glass. everyone off the bench is essentially a spot up shooter. In the last 2 games v. chi and NY the spot up shooters have combined for horrible percentages. Just tells me that the offense is simple and easy to guard w/ no movement. And chalmers… Yes he’s lebron’s on court groupie and seems to pass exclusively to lebron (maybe because of wade’s incessant need to drive on 2-3 guys and stepback twirl pivot fadeaway shots in the corner?) but he should have been in the game instead of mike miller late in the 4th. Instead, miller fouls billups in crunchtime and lets billups in for a floater 2 (which should have been and 1 imo). This team has problems. Ya obvious observation. But the problems are deeper than the big 2 and a half.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    They will next thursday…

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Feez22…Kobe has had a top ten PER all season. Kevin Love has a top five PER. Is Kevin Love a top 5 player? Hell no. I also believe Dwight Howard is best player in nba because no one affects the game on both ends like him.

  • Fred

    I’m a Melo fan and at the end of last game I hoped so much that Lebron took the last shot… So I knew that the Knicks would win. Lebron’s not a clutch shooter.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Laker fans are thicker in the head then those rap guys girlfriends are in the butt.

  • Feez22

    @Kap … You underestimate phil jackson’s coaching & the triangle. Its phil not kobe that makes those scrubby roleplayers better. I think its clearly obvious that lebron would make gasol/bynum better v. kobe (not that you’re saying otherwise). And lebron playing to get his stats? i don’t mind that with him playing on Miami as long as he’s not ball hogging (which he isn’t). Other than that, who else is going to get the rebounds/assists on that team? The wingmen on the heat need to do more due to their lack of depth so if lebron or wade look like they are padding their rebounds or assists who cares? its for the benefit of the team. Its not like they are shooting in volume to pad their points like ahem a certain laker used to do on a regular basis… Ahem…

  • Feez22

    Kap… No one said PER… PER is not what i’m talking about… I’m talking about true player efficiency NOT hollinger’s stat.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Illogical but probably the most passionate fan base in the nba.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    @nbk – Bulls haven’t signed Butler yet, but reports are they they’re going to. If they do, I’m assuming its not as a starter. He’d probably be the first sub off the bench for Deng. Deng’s been playing crazy minutes so now they’d be able to give him some rest. Shooting gaurd rotation stays the same.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Can someone give me a quick scouting report on Rasual Butler?
    I honeslty ain’t seen enough of the dude.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Kobe has never played for stats. You can the guy a ball hog all day but he plays to win the game whether it requires he takes 40 shots.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Not this season, anyways.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant shot the same amount of shots with Rudy Tomjanovich on the sideline, and Brian Grant Caron Butler Lamar Odom as his 3 best complimentary players as he does on this team Kap. He shoots a lot period, whether it helps or hurts his team, don’t get it twisted.

  • Feez22

    Kobe has never played for stats? I hear iverson critics say that iverson was not a team player because he took a high volume of shots with a relatively low shooting percentage and never passed the ball… remind you of another player? Hint… he plays on the lakers.

  • Feez22

    & oh ya Kap ppl said iverson was a stat padder as well for the reasons i outlined above.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Butler won’t be eligible for the playoffs because he won’t clears waivers until tomorrow.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…the lakers ran the triangle the year Tomjanovich coached bc he didn’t last the entire year and Frank Hamblem was very familiar with it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @Enigmatic, Rasual Butler is a solid spot up shooter, decent perimeter defender, good shotblocker, not very good in the passing lanes, doesn’t always make the right basketball play, and a good athlete who is a little slow. He definitely is not that good, but he’s better then Bogans. Diesel might be right though, he may just be picking up minutes for Deng

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Derrick Rose is a lot more Iverson than Kobe Bryant is.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kap you said “Kobe has never played for stats. You can the guy a ball hog all day but he plays to win the game whether it requires he takes 40 shots” – so as I said, Kobe shoots the same amount of shots no matter what the situation is, I Don’t Give A F*ck what offense they ran, that’s an irrelevant excuse.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Thanks, nbk

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    heat/knicks was such a fun game. as an NBA fan, i need some combo of bulls/heat/knicks in the first 2 rounds. then after that, winner plays the c’s in ECF. going to be so fun

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NBA Postup is a free scouting website. It is down for some reason, but if you google search a page you can view it from the cached link

  • JTaylor21

    Did someone just say that Kobe’s a good on-ball defender and a better passer than Bron? Come on Son, Kobe hasn’t played good D since the lakers championship run with Shaq at the helm. I can’t remember how many times Westbrook or who ever he was guarding yesterday just blew by him like he had cement shoes on. On the Kobe being a better passer than Bron, I won’t even go there. If someone in the right mind really believes that ish, they must also believe that the world will end on 2012.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Kobe doesn’t play for stats. I don’t care what you say. He’s a scorer and one of the greatest scorers of all time so he has to right to take those shots. I don’t see why he’s knocked for that. It can’t be too detrimental to the team considering he has five rings and seven finals appearances.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @JTaylor…You do know that the Lakers shut down Westbrook the second half of the game don’t you? Name me one player in the league who can truly stay in front of Westbrook also. You gotta come better than that.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Westbrook had what 19 yday? didn’t he have 17 at halftime?
    Bron got lit up yesterday, fyi. Then came up shorter than enigmatic in the clutch.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He doesn’t play for stats, if he did he’d rebound and pass more. But he does play for points, which is perfectly fine, as you said he’s a scorer. (obviously Kobe plays to win, there is only a handful of players in history as competitive as the dude) Its just that the unbeatable opponent is starting to rear its ugly head, and because of that (age), Kobe can’t be the best player in the world every night, his body won’t let him. Its not a knock, don’t feel like you got punched in the numbers of the Lakers jersey currently on your body, they can still win a title. He just isn’t the creme de la creme anymore, but he doesn’t need to be, he has great teammates. Its ok, breath easy, be happy Kobe didn’t get his trade demand in 2006, feel lucky you’ve been in the finals so much when it very well could have been over for you.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Nice one, AllBall.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…I definitely agree with you.

  • JTaylor21

    Okay, if Kobe’s as great a defender as y’all claim, why doesn’t he check opposing teams best perimeter player? Why was Artest brought in the first place and why is he always the one checking the best player when the lakers have the “lock-down” artist right there.

  • JTaylor21

    Do you really consider going 10-22 “lighting” someone up, really? Stop it slime!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Did you play basketball JTaylor? If the best Offensive player has to guard the best offensive player on the other team he is gonna be too tired to carry the offense. They brought in Artest and Barnes to preserve Kobe’s energy down the stretch. C’mon, you are not making any sense right now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Sorry Enigmatic.
    Jtaylor, he had 29.
    What about his play in the clutch? Bron I am talking about. Why did you ignore that part of my comment?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    It’s impossible to be a lockdown defender in the nba in this age because refs are so inconsistent. Sefolosha and Harden were fouling the hell out of Kobe and it wasn’t getting called but on other nights that would be a foul all day. It’s my biggest beef with the nba.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Melo was having his way with Lebron. He got any shot he wanted.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    10-22 ain’t bad either considering Melo took several bad three pointers in transition and was getting hammered when he got to the hole and nothing was called.

  • JTaylor21

    Yes, he has been garbage in the clutch this year but the past few years contrary to popular believe he’s been really good. So it’s more like an anomaly than the norm.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Why is it that every superstar player that goes to the hole and doesn’t get foul calls have their pu*sy fans crying about the next day? Rose, Kobe and now Melo are all part of that equation.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Heat play way way to much 1 on 1. That’s the issue with that team on offense. Other then that, what is Spoelstra doing? Why did Joel Anthony play 30 minutes last night? What sense does that make at all, dude finished the game 2 points, 6 rebounds, and a foul, in 30 minutes! Oh and he was a wopping -17 for the game.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap
  • robb

    The Knicks played defense!!! if they keep it up, NY’s gonna be tough, Melo was great, Amar’e too and Chauncey’s nickname couldn’t be truer. Mr. Big shot doin’ work!

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Because you won’t hear wade’s and bron’s p*ssy fans cry about not getting a call, probably since they always get it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk, Sporon has had this issue all season. He love’s his underachieving nature, I guess, but the kid should get 5 minutes a half, if that, and that would only be against running teams to give Dampier a rest. Z shouldn’t have fallen out of the rotation.

  • JTaylor21

    That’s because fans think that they are refs. They always bit*h about one call after another, anyone who plays ball knows that there’s a foul on every possession but that doesn’t mean that the refs are going to call every one of them. Another reason why I hate fans/homers, bunch of whiny little broads.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But we ain’t crying.

  • JTaylor21

    Why are Rose and Kobe’s sheep always bleating whenever someone mentions their idols name?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Just crying about your coach, and not having enough good players after your THREE All Stars.

  • Cool Dude

    At least Lebron hit the rim this time right? Anyway, nobody can really blame Wade for this game. If you’ve ever played ball, you would realize how terrible it is for your form when one player just plays iso all day like Lebron was doing against Melo. Wade just didn’t do very well cuz of that.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jtaylor, depends on the referee. There are a few, notably Bavetta and Joey Crawford that think they are bigger than the game itself. Someone like Joe Crawford or Steve Javie, who are fairly known but don’t look for notoriety, are fine by me.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Co-sign Krishan…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Much respect for LeBron taking a big shot in the clutch once again. Make or miss, if you’re the best player in the game, you’ve got to do it.
    And New York just wanted that game more. Miami shouldn’t have lost, but Bosh was awful, DWade disappeared and Bron couldn’t deliver his usual heroics.
    That’s why relying solely on 3 guys and thinking they can deliver a title by themselves is a mistake. Without a competent supporting cast, there is no chance.
    2nd round Playoff exit forthcoming.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Sorry, Dan Crawford* instead of Joe Crawford.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I know I know its been goin on all season, it just makes me sick, I would rather play LeBron at the 5 then Joel Anthony. Anthony literally did nothing positive, Amar’e shot 8-14 (a better % then his average), grabbed 10 rebounds (more then his average), had 3 assists (more then his average). Obviously his points were a little low, but he only shot 14 shots. Could Spoelstra be playing Anthony such heavy minutes to keep everyone in a relative rhythm when/if haslem comes back? Taking Anthony out of the rotation hurts almost nothing, and actually helps the flow & spacing of the offense, maybe Spoelstra is just Eugeniusly making the Heat impossible to scout for.

  • Vish

    @JTaylor – artest was brought so that Kobe can conserve his energy on offense. Its a strategy called role players….sheesh

  • JTaylor21

    The same way you cry about the reason DRose should be the MVP is because he doesn’t having any “help”, wha wha wha whaa!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bryan Crawford with the most logical Heat need a lot of help or their screwed comment of the day

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…so you’re mad bc Stoudemire had 18 and 10 and 3 assists? He is a superstar, you do know that don’t you? The knicks won because they played better defense and played a better team game than the heat. End of story.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kap stop trying to find some hidden meaning in what i’m saying, i’m no female. I’m not talking about why the Knicks won or the Heat lost, I’m talking about Erick Spoelstra playing the worst center in the league 30 minutes on a team that is supposed to contend for a title. And why that is happening

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Jtaylor – Drose should be MVP because he spanks your team every time they play them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    Great season so far. I wouldn’t want to face the Knicks. Chauncey makes them so dangerous. The east is now like the big east. Whoever makes it to the Finals are either going to be really tough and ready, or really injured and depleted.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    Great season so far. I wouldn’t want to face the Knicks in the first round. Chauncey makes them so dangerous. The east is now like the big east. Whoever makes it to the Finals are either going to be really tough and ready, or really injured and depleted.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Bryan Crawford made some good points.
    So, it has been established.
    The King is the best in the world…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, did none of y’all notice the massive difference in how the Heat played in the first quarter compared to the rest of the game?
    Biggest difference was they ran actual sets in the first quarter and beginning of the second. Lots’ of stuff with Bosh in the high post and Bron and Wade coming off him with cuts and handoffs. Then going to pick and rolls. It was very similar to what Boston does except it didn’t start off a down screen.
    Also, they had Damp playing and Amare couldn’t just ignore him on offense. Damp is not a star, but he’s not a bum either. Joel is a bum on offense, there is no other way to put it. Like I said, I knew Spoelestra was going to overplay him when I saw how the Knicks came out with Amare and Williams to force both Miami bigs to defend on the perimeter. I knew the coach was going to overreact, even though that offense actually had Amare being more of a distributor than a scorer, which is an acceptable tradeoff.
    The Heat always have lapses in concentration when they get ahead. The problem is that even when they try to buckle down, they don’t trust their offensive sets enough to run them through to the end and make the correct cuts and reads. They trust their individual talents more.
    It was a good win by the Knicks. I was impressed with Chauncey, but I was more impressed with how willingly Amare passed the ball. I though that was going to be an issue after the way he played in Phoenix and early this season, but it wasn’t.
    Bryan Crawford
    Who you got the Heat losing to in the second round? Chicago or Boston?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m not going to get into a long, drawn out conversation about this, but since it was brought up I’ll address it with this single comment:
    DRose has been playing OUT OF HIS MIND and is the MVP at this point in the season. And that’s just not my opinion, but the opinion of just about everyone with half a brain, common sense, and who wasn’t born a hater.
    A lot can change between now and the end of the season, but for those who’ve mocked and made derisive comments about DRose for MVP, I implore you to keep pouring gasoline on an already raging fire.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    @Philo, I am a Laker fan and I believe Lebron is the best player in the world. But the one thing that blows my mind is that as a Laker fan I rather face him than face wade, pierce, kg, duncan, and even giobili. He has zero killer instinct. He is still young, maybe this season he will play to his potential.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    preach, bryan crawford.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Allen: In 7 games, I think Miami could lose to both of them. Too much depth and versatility.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Cosign Allenp, and BC. I had Dwight as the MVP but if Orlando can’t win, I can’t by my own standards put him above Rose, kids unbelievable.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh but I have Dirk right up there too, those 3 and LeBron are IMO the top 4, Rose, Dirk, Bron, Howard.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The whole Rose doesn’t have any help theory is a fallacy. Chicago are for real because of their defense/rebounding combined with Rose’ killer instinct.

  • Jahi

    What I like about the new and improved Knicks, is that the team that beat the Heat in Miami last night, isn’t the team that we will see in the playoffs. Once the Knicks mesh and build more chemistry, they are looking like a championship caliber team. I liked the lineup with; Billups, Walker, Anthony, Williams, and Amare. WThey seemed to have the ideal balance of defense and offense when they played together. The Knicks should bring in Gadzuric for some additional defense in the post. The Knicks are back….

    I understand that the Celtics had to make the right business decision for the long term, but losing Perkins is going to hurt them in the playoffs. In fact, I believe the east is much more open than people are suggesting.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NYK is not making it past Chicago, or Boston. Miami should based on everything since December finish with the 1 or 2 seed in the East. But they “can” lose to NYK in a series, although I highly highly doubt it happens.

  • Mvp23100

    @Sergio
    Your full of bull with that just say you don’t like him

  • feez22

    Spolestra’s offense seems familiar… OH WAIT… Now i know what it looks like. LMAO it looks like the 09-10 CAVS offense. No movement, 1 on 5, all that crap. and his rotations remind me of mike brown too… putting in joel anthony whom has no offensive talent and is outrebounded by other bigs, making mike miller guard billups (I MEAN REALLY THATS STUPID!). Maybe its a coincidence… or maybe coaching lebron james makes you do retarded things?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    @Mvp23100
    Why wouldn’t I like him? He is a beast! But as I said, he has no killer instinct. He had it against the pistons but I haven’t seen him play like that in a while.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Co-sign airs.
    @Sergio:
    It’s intriguing to me because, earlier in The King’s career, he had “killer instinct tendencies”. I’ll tell the truth.
    Many great players lose that instinct. It’s just a matter of when. Some lose it later on towards the end of the line. Some lose it early. Even in their primes. It’s like when the great pitcher in baseball can no longer find the strike zone, in a sense. I’m not saying that I believe that he has lost the instinct that he did have… I’m just glad that he isn’t running away from the moment when it arrives.
    He does appear to have lost at least a half step, and about 2-3 inches off his vertical. But with his set, right now he can still maintain. He looked soft around the belly to me during last summer.
    I don’t know… He’s still the best in The League, though.

  • Mvp23100

    Championship caliber the Knicks haven’t won sh*t since what 73 if you a Celts fan Spurs even Lakers You have your argument but to say a new Knicks squad who will have to play consistent D is in the running for a chip after a Heat win and Cavs loss is foolish

  • T-Money

    allen: they COULD lose to both, of course. i don’t think the bulls can beat miami in a 7-game series. could be wrong but i don’t really see it. the bulls can have SEVERE offensive droughts because only one guy can create for them. before the celts trade, boston was my favorite to come out of the east. now, i don’t know. either them or miami, i have to see them match up. i have to see if shaq will be healthy. i know everybody is a sky is falling mode but it ain’t that bad, HCA is the most important thing.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    @nbk – right now the Bulls and Heat have the exact same number of losses. Looking at the schedule the Heat have in march, I’ll take the Bulls to have the better rest of the season record and end up on top. Keeping in mind that the Bulls own the tie breaker should they finish with the same record.

  • feez22

    I’m of the ilk that wants rose to be MVP and thinks he should be. However am i wrong to say that his “point guarding” skills aren’t nearly as developed as chris paul’s were in 08? Rose is a killer. I’d just like him to see the floor better and grow his b-ball i.q. before he wins the MVP. If not who knows… what if he decides that the way he is playing now won him an mvp so he should keep playing the same way? It wouldn’t be all that bad because rose is a hell of a player. I just want him to develop more as a POINT GUARD. He is already clutch and has that killer instinct. Now its time for his court vision/passing/bball I.Q. to excel. And yes he needs to improve his passing. His passes are pretty much now mostly drive and kicks. imo even john wall passes better with more court vision (PLEASE NO FLAME WARS/RANTS just saying what i see). So yes, rose should be #1 in MVP voting. But i want him to develop more as a PG and playmaker for others being a point guard and all… im not a hater or anything like that. I like his game. I just think he has much more growing to do as a POINT GUARD… thats all.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Philosopher…Are you Charles Barkley?

  • T-Money

    however, i see a couple of structural issues with miami: 1- miami needs wade and bron to play well to beat good teams – that wasn’t supposed to be the case. sure, lebron missed at the end. but where was wade ALL GAME? eboy, i’m really hoping that wade has another gear for the playoffs because he’s been a disappointment for me so far. lazy, unfocussed, pouty, careless… ugh. 2- joel should not play more than 10 minutes in any nba game. joel is a bum, plain and simple. that’s easily fixable: stop playing the guy. 3- they need to run plays. i don’t know if it’s the coach or lebron (probably both). we thought in cleveland it was bron and then realized that mike brown was the one calling the isos.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @Diesel – I actually have the east finishing Heat, Bulls, Celtics, Magic, Hawks, Knicks, Sixers, Pacers. But a bulls/heat flip flop wouldn’t surprise me, I think its Boston that slows the most.

  • 6marjons

    the heat always suck at the end of a close game because they don’t run anything. lebron holds onto the ball forever which freezes the whole offense and people can never be prepared when he does eventually make a move unless you’re on defense.
    he’s the most talented player in the league but still hasn’t learned to play with other players. mike brown let him do what he wants for too long

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    No Rose has help he just doesnt have a two guard.

  • Mvp23100

    Rose wasn’t MVP until they beat Miami the other night dude is balling ima fan but we talked about Durant in the same regard last year their gonna build Rose up to tear him down as soon as he doesn’t quite make expectations people get excited quickly this Knicks Bulls crap is annoying both squads have much room for improvement both are playing decent right now leave it at that

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    LeBron throughout his career has been more of a facilitator in clutch moments as opposed to the guy who puts it all on his back.
    That said, its going to be a steep learning curve for him in those situations. Crunch time exploits is essentially muscle memory, just like everything else in basketball. If you spend little time developing it, then you wont be able to rely on it when you need to.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Lol @Kap…

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    HCA is overrated. It’s important to get #1 seed to avoid playing Miami and Chicago in consecutive rounds and also avoid NY. Miami upcoming schedule is tough and they may fall to #3. How disappointing would it be if they lost first round to NY???

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Does anyone know how long it takes for a player to clear waivers? If a player is bought out today, can they even clear waivers by tomorrow and be eligible for the playoffs?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And that sums it up, “HCA is overrated,” don’t need to hear anything else from you buddy.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    On the year Dwyane Wade is averaging 25, 7, 4, on 51% from the field…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I would love the Heat not having HCA in ANY round….they play 10 times better on the road. They just focus more and seem to battle with way more effort. They’ve been pretty uneven at home, although their record is decent. They give up too many leads in Miami. They’ve rarely done that on the road.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I agree with Diesel, Miami has a very tough schedule. Question for you Diesel, how have the Bulls managed to have a very easy schedule without a tough final month?
    It must be because their division sucks. The East seems to have gotten a lot weaker with Boston’s trade. I feel that the Bulls have as good a chance as any of coming out of the East.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Diesel:
    48 hours.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Butler and Murphy won’t be eligible for playoffs…

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And if D Rose plays as well this post season as he did against Cleveland last year, they will be even tougher.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…the team with the overall best record has not won the title in forever. If HCA won so important then the team with the best regular season record would win more often.

  • http://sofahoops.com privatedancer

    In the battle of the Superfriends, it was Melo and his newly formed band of brothers who kicked southbeach sand in the face of the LeBroniacs. This was an instant classic and both teams punched and fought until Mr. Big Shot unleashed his twin dessert eagles!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kap has no idea what he’s talking about in terms of buyout players. This is eerily similar to his lack of knowledge when it comes to contracted players.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Except for Celtics in ’08

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kap just look at the % of teams with HCA that win series vs teams without it. And all those buy-out players are eligible for the playoffs, idk y you keep saying that, or where you got that from. Its blatantly false

  • T-Money

    kap: you’re being dishonest (duh). how did hca work for the lakers when they were down double digits late in game 7 vs boston. that comeback would have been tough in beantow. finishing first gives miami an easy an easy first round to work out the kings vs philly or indy (esp. if they integrate bibby and murphy). and that also means avoiding boston and chicago in the 2nd round. and hopefully, chicago beats boston. i don’t stress the reg season losses that much right now because i feel that boston got weaker.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…it comes down to the better team. HCA has an effect but at the end of the day the better team wins regardless of HCA.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    I said the same thing about Wade the other day, and was told I was crazy. I thought that he was “overrated” because prior to this season I had him on the same level as Bron and Kobe, but right now, he looks a level below them, to be honest. Way to casual with his handle. I couldn’t believe that the Bulls got away with allowing Kyle Korver to guard him int he fourth quarter the other day. KYLE KORVER. Last night, Anthony Carter, who is a decent defender, was giving him way too much trouble on isos, and he consistently delivers poor passes. And man, dude whines more than Kobe and AI did in their primes. Every drive he’s looking for a call and sulking on his way back down the court. Newsflash, that does not hurt the refs, it hurts your team.
    I liked Melo last night. He’s the only forward in the league who can consistently give Bron the business. And, for those of you who said Bron couldn’t handle Rose, I thought he did a very good job. That last three by Deng was the fault of Wade overhelping, not really cutting off the passing lane, and then being slow to recover to his man. LeBron played very good defense on Rose on that play.
    LeBron ain’t the most clutch cat in the league, but he’s still 1 or 2 as far as overall talent. I’m starting to wonder if Wade deserves that 3 spot anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Boston didn’t get weaker, they just got more versatile. The only place they might struggle is at PG. With Nate gone, you’re relying heavily on Avery Bradley.
    Their moves signified that they’re worried about the Bulls in the East. No one else.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kap – that’s a cop out. the best team always wins, even win that team loses more games in the regular season, there is no such thing as an upset. smh

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    What? LMAO…this dude has truly lost his mind. I love you BC….but you’re crazy.

  • T-Money

    allenp: he doesn’t. i think every gm would take dwight howard before wade. again, i hope we’ll see the real d-wade in the playoffs. his issue is not diminishing skills but lack of focus. and nobody plays careless in the playoffs. the silver lining for miami is that you absolutely have to make big shots in the last 2 minutes to beat them. it sound like nothing but that’s HUGE. you can’t blow them out, so you have to win 4 games out of 7 in crunch time.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    So the fact I’m not a fan of miami means I lack basketball knowledge?

  • T-Money

    BC: reports are showing that the trade may have been more about money than tactics. the owner told d. ainge that he wasn’t going to pay perks this summer and to get something for him. simple as that. it doesn’t make boston more equipped to win this year. at all. jeff green will play 15 mins a game for them, doc will not trust him for this playoff run.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Am I? OK…
    When I shoot, I don’t miss, E.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kap – your insinuating that the best team has won every playoff series of all time, that matchups are irrelevant, and in the NBA upsets don’t happen. You realize that right? Saying the best team always wins regardless of homecourt, amazing, why do they even play the games?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    As long as a player is waived by March 1st by their previous team, they are eligible for the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Never trust what “reports” say.

  • T-Money

    rumors are floating that mike bibby is leaning toward miami. i’d be happy with that. he sucks at defense, but he’s a poised calming hand and would get wade and lebron into the sets. you start out with chalmers for defense and then bring mike bibby. i would experiment more with bron at the 4 too. he’s the same size as booz!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sure. I like you bravado…but you sound like a dumb guy, which I KNOW you’re not. The Bulls have played well, exceptional at times, but to think that teams are restructuring their rosters to combat THEM…..makes you a homer with no sense of realism. If the Celts were really trying to combat the Bulls, they wouldn’t: A)have ditched a big man to combat Noah, Thomas, etc B) tried to fortify their backcourt to combat rose…not bring in a rangy PF/SF hybrid. Apparently your aim was off on this one.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t see how the Boston trade shows fear of the Bulls.
    Everybody knows that Shaq doesn’t like to show on pick and rolls, so he’s a liability on every pick and roll that Noah and Rose run. And now KG pretty much has to guard Boozer the entire game, and when they go to their bench, Boozer is going to feast even more than usual on weak bigs.
    I don’t understand why the Celts didn’t just keep Perk and let him walk. AFter all, it’s not like they are going to pay Jeff Green what he wants either. So they are going to lose both players, and they severly hamper their teams championship run this year. Seems strange.
    Why do Jeff Green and Nenad Kristic make Boston a harder team for Chicago to beat? I don’t see it at all.

  • T-Money

    the reason why i want murphy too has nothing to do what he can bring – he’ll force spo to sit out joel lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan Crawford
    I know you didn’t just say that about “reports.” Come on son, we remember how you were ready to jump on every negative “report” Wojo released about LeBron.
    Lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Troy Murphy plays absolutely no defense. In case people were wondering.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You know, when I retire from commenting, somebody hit me with a cyber round so I don’t come back. I guess I’ll leave that up to Enig since he’s a weapons master.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, that was when I was on my hater ish w/ LBJ. I’m off that.
    As for the Bulls/C’s thing, you’ll see…

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Someone texted me saying that the Heat are 14-15 against teams better than .500, but that’s a very misleading stat. Any true basketball fan knows having talent is more important than winning.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Why are we questioning Boston without perkins. They did fine without him all year long and he has another knee injury that could hinder him for the rest of the season. Krstic allows opens up the floor whereas Rondo and Perkins on the floor together didn’t. Krstic is a tough guy also (he whooped a dude ass in the summer) and he’s 7’0. Green gives them a stretch four and also another wing player so Pierce can rest. However, I think Boston is better than Chicago before and after the trade because of their depth. I think Chicago would rather play Miami in playoffs than see Boston.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Because, in a running game, Kristic and Green will be better able to keep up in transition. Kristic, I don’t think, will pick up as many fouls as Perkins would. Green can run.
    Perkins was slowing them down.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    My bad, Kap… said almost the same sh1t.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like how people are writing off Perkins as if he’s a scrub. Same way they do to Bynum when he sit’s with injury. Sure the Celtics did ok without him for an extended period….they had a myriad of bigs, that like to bang and play physical. They have nothing close to that now. That was the one thing that separated them from everyone in the East….led by Perkins.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Kap
    Because now they have to depend on Shaq to stay healthy and play defense.
    Green is a good wing, but the Celtics improved this year because they were stacked at big with all those bodies. They lost Perkins, Erden, Harangody and Nate. And got back Kristic and Green.
    That’s a net loss man. That does not make them better THIS YEAR, which is the only year that really matters for a team as old as the Celtics.
    I think they made a curious decision, and I like Jeff Green’s game.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Eboy, I got you.
    Cyber .338 Win Mag should do it.
    .33 caliber round, in honor of your boy Alonzo Mourning.

  • Pharoah

    What’s up with the crowds in Miami? They all show up late in the 2nd half and the knick fans completely overshadowed them. Embarassing

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Philo just became a dummy too.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Perkins might be the hardest working, best defensive big in the league.
    Despite his size, he would show on shooters, then SPRINT across the lane to help when the ball was swung. Very few big men give his effort and understand defensive positioning the way he did.
    I’m not saying this trade kills the Celtics, I just don’t see how the expiring contract of Jeff Green makes them better on the court. Plus, they clearly made a salary dump by getting rid of Erden and Luke. Seems like proof this was about money.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like the sound of that, Enig….thank you.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Again, Wade is averaging 26, 7, 4, on 51% shooting. Miami’s best player had chances down the stretch last night to win the game. How does that blame fall on Wade’s shoulders?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    With Rondo running that show, Green is an all star. And, they’ll still have bigs come Playoff time.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    That must have been Allen @ 3:02.
    Two words regarding Boston: Rasheed Wallace.
    I’m out. Peace everybody…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    My bad, Eboy…

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    @DonCharlionne <— lets follow eachother guys

  • raven2005

    I think Dwyane is using the wrong insoles in his Js. GO EXPLOSIVE DWADE!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sheed would be terrifying for the Celts. *judge the sarcasm in meters, inches, feet, miles….whichever unit of measure you prefer*

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Mike Bibby has completed his buy-out, he forfeited his salary for next season, to play with Heat.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That’s not accurate…nbk. He hasn’t chose a destination yet.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    GREAT SH1T!!!!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Oh, damn…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lol – Eboy where you think he gonna go? He’s goin to Miami, its the only realistic option. He is not gonna go from starting for a playoff team a couple weeks ago to being a 10 minute a game guy in Orlando/Boston. LA is the only team I could see him getting minutes on, and that would mean Fisher sits, which I highly highly doubt happens.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    For some reason I posted as Crawford at 3:02 and 3:04. Sorry about that.

  • MUBWAR

    so is every Heat loss gonna create over 300 comments? Just like most people who dismissed the Heat’s early struggles in the ’06 championship team, they will be ready when games matter most.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    AllBall
    Did you watch the game?
    Wade played like crap the whole game. Bron played like crap late.
    I agree that Bron isn’t that great when it comes to last second shots. Okay, that’s cool.
    But against the Bulls he was CARRYING the Heat late, Against the Knicks, he was carrying the Heat most of the game.
    In both games, I wasn’t as impressed with Mr. Wade. I said so at the time to people I communicate with regularly.
    The team loses and wins as a team, but I still think Wade needs to change some bad habits.
    I don’t care what his stats say. The stats are for the entire season. Plus, stats say LeBron is a killer in the clutch, but my eyes say dude gets butterflys.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If Bibby isn’t given some kind of assurance that he will eventually (within a handful of games) take over the starting spot, he won’t come to Miami, nbk. I’m pretty certain of that.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I’m gazing at how the offense of The Celtics should look, now. They have more options offensively and defensively. Kristic will spread the floor and open things up. Pick & pop.
    When Shaq gets back, and J.O., even limited minutes for their three main bigs is enamoring to me. Glen Davis is in the fold, too.
    Rondo is that type of point guard who will make that machine go. I mean, who to collapse on? Do you stay at home?
    Maybe I am crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Do the people that didn’t know Wade was not a good team defender realize it yet? He gambles so much it cost them a chance at the Chicago game, it hurt them terribly last night. Also idk if he is actually gambling on defense or just losing track of his man, he seems lost when the ball is passed out to the perimeter. Allen you notice what i’m talkin about yesterday?

  • flash

    I miss D-WADE… what’s happenning with him? how i wished LBJ didnt come to miami.. i think he’s affecting Dwyane’s game since their games are very similar to each other.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Eboy – Are you insinuating he would rather sit on the bench in Boston then play 20 minutes a night off the bench for Miami? The only team(s) with a better shot at a title (by popular opinion) then Miami are LA and Boston, and LA has 2 PG’s that are very similar to Bibby already.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    I’m with Eboy (and somewhat BCraw) on this one.. I simply do not understand what the C’s are gonna do if they should run into Dwight. I didn’t say Orlando, I said Dwight. On top of the points that they’ve have already made, Perk was relatively young on the C’s. Plus Nate and Big Baby seemed to bring a lot of energy last year on the floor together. The Heat are still no worry… But now the Bulls and Dwight are significant threats. The Lakers’ height is gonna massacre them, should they even make it that far.. and no defensive Tony Allen..

  • flash

    DWade plays with his heart before.. but now he looks dead

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    @ Philo; You feel like the C’s got better defensively? Please explain.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    @Kap: Sorry it took so long to respond. Have to travel three hours to see my girl for thirty minutes. Sigh.
    Anyway, I agree with one thing you said: Lebron does play for stats. It’s true. So did Jordan. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes I see Lebron two assists shy of a trip-dub and he’ll be passing the ball like an idiot and bringing the other team back a bit.
    Kobe rarely plays for stats. I do agree with this. On the other hand, I think Kobe has less faith in his teammates and is much more eager to just jack up shots when he just HAS TO WIN… and that kill mentality has lost him as many games as it has won him. He has trouble finding the balance sometimes.
    I HATE that triangle excuse. When Kobe is in the triangle, he averages 4 assists. When he breaks the triangle, he averages maybe six. Kobe played two full years without it, and he didn’t impress me with his passing.
    And F that, both Jordan and Pippen have averaged more assists in the triangle than Kobe has, and both of those players are considered worse passers than Lebron.
    I’m sorry, Kobe isn’t that great of a passer. He’s not. He’s average for a guard. When he SEES you, especially in transition, he has the footwork and body control to get you the ball at the perfect spot. But in the half-court, he can be turnover prone, and he often will take tough shots with a man wide open NOT cause he’s “not a willing passer” but because he doesn’t have the court vision. Kobe admits when he has the ball, he sees the defense and the basket. He never mentions his teammates. Take that as you will.
    I mean, I’m not even arguing Lebron’s a better player. But he’s definitely a better passer, stat obsessed or not.
    @JTaylor: Kobe is an overrated defender nowadays. Just two years ago, he really WAS all that. And he did guard the other team’s best player. I mean, Kobe was REALLY a good defender, seriously. Outside of Scottie Pippen and Gary Payton, I can’t think of a superstar wing player I’d rather have iso’ing up the other teams star in the crunch.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    And Wade looks like he’s MURDERING mediocre teams from what I see on a nightly basis.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk….let’s be real…Bibby would KNOW that he ain’t unseating Rondo (and would have a great chance at a title run). There’s no G.O.Damn way that he would come here and “compete” for a job with Mario Chalmers. That’s insulting to him and the game of basketball. Bibby is accomplished, whether he’s on the downturn or not. Chalmers is a washout.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Eboy, NBK, T-Money, Allenp: All year, I have ranted about Joel Anthony… all year I have said that it was a sham he even plays… all year I said he’s an atrocious rebounder despite his numbers, and he gets abused on the block… and I said that playing Joel Anthony tremendously hurts the Heats advantage, because when you’re playing 4 on 5, YOU CAN double team Wade and Lebron. So, thank you for FINALLY coming around to my side.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    don’t know what your talking about Jukai, i have been saying Joel Anthony is not worthy of an NBA jersey since last year

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jukai…I think we all knew that but weren’t quite as manic about it as you were/have been/still are.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Eboy from that perspective I understand what your saying my b. I would be willing to bet Bibby gets all of Arroyo (did he die) and House’s would be minutes, but the Chalmers thing, and Spoelstra’s insistence on not admitting when his guys suck very well could be what keeps mike outta town. Knowing the guy though, he is tryna get minutes, i’d bet he goes to Miami even without a guarantee.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    With Jeff Green, he can guard multiple positions. I’m not saying he’s Bowen, but he can guard a few types of players. The Kristic addition is arguable, but I see him as a better defender on the pick and roll. He won’t clog the lane as much as Perk did, and he won’t pick up a bunch of fouls in a short period of time. He won’ pick up a bunch of techs. I think he would be able to stay on the floor longer than Perk would.
    All I’m saying is that it seems like that they have more options on defense being that they added 3 types of adequate defenders. Post/perimeter (2types) in Green, and post defender (1type) in Kristic for the price of one player who just had 1 type of defense he brought to the team.
    Celtics lost a little toughness, but they’re tough anyway.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Eboy: Well, now you are manic, so welcome to my club.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Philo: Kristic isn’t a better defender on ANYTHING. Don’t be fooled cause he’s smaller.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Spacehip Jay
    Exactly! Those pretty stats are the result of killing against inferior squads, which as Anton pointed out, is a problem for the entire Heat team.
    Straight up, Bosh hooped like he was supposed to last night. Bron hooped like he was supposed to last night. Wade did not, and Spo forgot about Dampier for the entire second half.
    The Knicks played better, their coach didn’t eff up his rotation and Chauncey had flashbacks to his Detroit days.
    If Miami plays like they are supposed to, and with the correct players on the floor, they should beat the Knicks and Bulls in a series. If they don’t, they can lose to either team in any round.
    I’m still not convinced they can beat Boston even if they play their best, but they have a shot.
    And to be clear, I’m not hating on Wade to save LeBron. I just don’t like that he’s picked up so many bad habits on both sides of the ball. I remember how he was in BEAST mode after the Olympics, and i just want him to get back to that style of play. That dude was crazy back then.
    And, did anybody else notice that Bron was kind of struggling to get up and grab that left handed alley? Weird.
    Wade is just too damn casual.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @Allen – He started doing those long weird strides like a high jumper, i doubt he was planning on jumping off two feet, Wade through that behind him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    threw*

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    He’ll be better able to keep up in transition though, no? Perkins was slow, and quick to tire.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Philo: I mean… he could get back faster but it’s a difference between a guy finishing with Kristic infront of him on the break and finishing with Perkins behind him on the break. Maybe I’m short changing Kristic, but he doesn’t bring as much as Perkins brings.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    @ Philo; He maybe able to keep up in transition yes.. But with the C’s consistency in rarely turning the ball over, was transition defense a problem in the first place?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kristic is slower than Perkins. Ever since he blew out his knee in Jersey he can’t run.
    And he’s not soft, but he’s not a good defender either. I don’t think people appreciate what Perk did on defense. Yes, Boston won without him, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t important.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Jordan never played for stats. Stats played for Jordan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Boston didn’t win a title without Perkins. End of discussion.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Eboy Boston also didn’t win a title without James Posey, or Leon Powe. Discussion cont’d

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    In terms of toughness, no. But skill for skill, and for the type of point guard Rajon Rondo is, Kristic seems to be a better fit when it comes to offense. Kristic is more versatile offensively than quite a few centers, as a matter of fact. Before his injury, he was almost on the cusp. But that was then, this is now…
    @Spaceship Jay:
    Interesting point.
    But with a team that likes to get out and run (D’Antoni) or against a good defensive team like Chicago, San Antonio, etc., or a team that plays the passing lanes, it could be tricky. Turnovers are bound to happen. I could be wrong. It’s the timely turnovers, you know? I just can’t imagine Perk being able to run for 35 minutes like that. Slow the game down for him, he’s in his element.
    The last couple of years, Perkins was gassed by Playoff time. In The Finals, he was battling tendonitis on the knee he eventually blew out.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Even if Kristic is slower than Perkins, (I don’t believe he is) Kristic will still be able to stay on the floor longer than Perk would have.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Philo: The Celtics had a five-deep center rotation. That traded away three of them for a second rounder and Kristic. Stamina should not have made a difference.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    O’neal, O’neal, Krstic – Garnett, Davis, Green. That’s 6 guys to fill 2 positions, if the O’Neals aren’t healthy in the playoffs that’s where the Perk trade really hurts them. But if all players are healthy Boston is much more flexible, and definitely better for the future. Perkins is at his ceiling from a potential standpoint, Green will presumably improve considerably.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Juks:
    Yeah, but they are going to have Shaq, J.O., Davis is on the spot, too. They still have 3 legit bigs, and “Baby” as a “tweener”. They may sign another big, you know?
    And, I’m also talking about the frequent foul trouble Perkins finds himself in. I don’t see that happening as much with Kristic.
    Kristic can shoot. He can pass. He won’t put the ball on the floor when he’s not supposed to. Especially in scoring position. That opens up so many things on offense. It keeps people honest on D.
    And, he’s not as hard as Perk, but he does have heart and he will mix it up as we alluded to.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    If they weren’t going to pay Perkins $8-10 million how can they afford Green?
    And if Perkins wanted more than that, he’s crazy, but I would imagine that Green is going to be looking for at least that amount.
    You gotta figure that Perkins looked at what Varejo got paid and said that was his starting point. And you have to figure that Green is looking at the same thing, and probably comparing himself to Noah and David Lee and feeling like he deserves to get paid.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Boston lost both players.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I just got word Bibby has signed, or agreed to sign with Heat. Also hearing Heat are new frontrunner for Troy Murphy, anybody care to elaborate on what you’ve heard in the last 20 minutes?

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Philo: I don’t know what you’re arguing, I wasn’t saying they lost depth at center, I was saying Perkins stamina and fouls issues didn’t matter cause they had so much backup so why downgrade for a guy who has more stamina but is worse in every way?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    For Eboy –
    @WindhorstESPN
    Brian Windhorst
    With several teams chasing Bibby (esp. Portland) it wouldn’t be a surprise if Heat promised Bibby he’ll eventually be the starter at PG.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, you might as well throw MJ into that list. Look I’m not hating on Kobe’s D but those 9 first team defensive selections and his overall defensive impact on the game are a tad bit overrated. Dude did a great job of defending his man in the past but that game vs Gil where he lit him up for 60 big ones still resonate in my mind. You can’t be an all-time great defender and let a very good not great player light you up like that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I believe they are willing to pay Jeff Green because he is younger, has no injury history, and was the guy Boston wanted in 07 but had to give him up for Ray Allen. They essentially got everything they wanted in 07, and now Green can be groomed to take over some of Garnett’s role defensively, while being an actual option unlike Perkins on offense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NY is buying out Corey Brewer BULLS FANS!

  • http://www.realgm.com Gman

    LOL @Anton.

    I think Wade struggling has something to do with Lebron. Lebron holds the ball way too much. I mean he made A.Jamison stats go down after years of having good stats.

    Why is everything Kobe vs Lebron? lol Calm down.

    Kobe has a complete game, and he can pass. But his role is similar to MJ. Score and fill the in holes that the team needs. Simple. He has bad judgement when it comes to shooting tho..

    Lebron has a complete game too, and can score. His role… well I dont know WTF it is. Do everything? He is great, however, I feel like he plays to get “his”. And usually stops some ball movement.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    I missed you mentioning the fouls.
    And, I’m arguing that Kristic would give the Celtics more all around versatility.
    Offensively, Kristic is more versatile. That is not worse in every way. They nearly even out statistically, also. And of course Kristic is a better scorer for his career.
    He’ll be more reliable at the foul line in Playoff Crunch time, too.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    @nbk – are you following that CBS news line again? Is that your source?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    nbk – Someone who’s shooting 38% from the field and 26% from 3 is not the answer for the Bulls, though solid defense is always welcome.

  • JTaylor21

    Do you people understand that JGreen’s overrated and I could go as far as average I mean what is he really good at? He’s a terrible rebounder for someone his size, he’s an an average defender, he thinks he’s a better shooter than he really is, he doesn’t attack the rim like someone with his athleticism should and he doesn’t have the ball handling skills needed to be a great 3 nor the size to be a great 4. I mean BOS gave a player that’s hard to find; someone that rebounds and defends the paint for a player that can be found anywhere and people are talking about him like it makes Bos a better team.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    JTaylor21:
    Do you think 6 points and 8 rebounds and a block or 2 is hard to replace?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, people like to lament about how Perkins “plays Howard so well”.
    Howard consistently gets off against Perkins. That notion, in my opinion, is an exaggeration.

  • JTaylor21

    The Philosopher, see with guys like Perks, it’s not all about the stats. Those kind of guys never get the touches/mins to put up big numbers but best believe that when they are out there, they have twice the impact of a guy on the outcome of a game opposed to someone like JGreen who plays big minutes yet his impact on a game is minor. Also on the DHow tip, it’s more about Perks being the only player in the L that guards Howard straight up without needing a double team and doing a good job than the numbers howard drop on him. It’s was the same situation with Dumars and MJ, Dumars would never shutdown MJ in a million years but he made it that much harder for MJ to score than any other guard in the L.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People keep on talking about LeBron as a ball stopper.
    Ok, name an elite player in the league who doesn’t hold the ball a lot?
    But, even that tendency isn’t the reason for Wade’s struggles. Watch the games. Wade gets a lot of touches. He’s just not focused. Remember when he had a killer mid range? Where the hell is it? Remember when he used the glass all the time? Not anymore?
    Remember when he was absolutely unstoppable on the fastbreak even if it was 1 on 2? Gone.
    Dude is still nice, but he doesn’t have that same focus he once had that made him so amazing to watch. At least not in my opinion.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    JTaylor: Jordan was a better all-around defender than Kobe because he’d constantly grab steals off his man and could sky to block shots from anywhere. Kobe didn’t have the athleticism Jordan had so he couldn’t do all that and guard his man. But in terms of pure lockdown ability? It’s a toss-up in my mind. Both were incredibly crafty at denying their man the ball, both could prevent their many from getting to the basket without fouling… I give Kobe the edge cause Jordan would concentrate on the passing lanes a tad too much at times.
    I get it that Kobe should probably stop winning all-defensive nods at this point.

  • Omar

    What does everyone think that the Bulls are the team to beat? I thibk they’re the most likely to lose in round 1. ORL, BOS, MIA and NY have NO REASON to worry about CHI. I know y’all love Derrick Rose but damn, they’re not going to win anything.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Yeah! What does everyone think that?!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    JTaylor21:
    Understood, but why can’t Perkins play 35 minutes? Foul trouble, stamina, durability.
    Why doesn’t Perk get touches? He has bad hands. He’s predictable, methodical, cannot shoot. He tries to put the ball on the floor in error.
    Green, he played with a superstar. He’s not going to do what he’s totally capable of in that system. I think your underrating Green. Just my opinion.
    With Rondo, who looks primarily to set up players, Green should flourish. Especially in the open court.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Enig I was only pointing him out cuz every swingman is supposedly going to Chicago, Diesel I got that one from Stein_Line_HQ

  • Playa

    hey philosopher, dwight is constantly going off on anyone nowadays,he’s just THAT GOOD NOW.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Philo: I mean… have you actually watched Perkins? Bad hands? Huh?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I think Boston should sign Leon Powe.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    When The Celtics do turn the ball over, it’s usually because Perkins missed a pass, or he’s trying to dribble.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, yeah. Howard is in a class all his own as far as centers go this year.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, fair points but I give the edge to MJ based on his athletic ability and size/strength. I mean there’s a reason why Kobe doesn’t guard guys like PP and Bron because they would overpower him but you couldn’t do that with MJ. Even before he went all Randy Macho Man Savage and put on weight as he got older, he was still strong enough to guard bigger players. Also his instincts combined with cat-like quickness made him a better on-the-ball defender than Kobe.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    JTaylor: Perhaps even two years ago, Kobe woulda guarded Pierce and Bron. And he woulda done as good of a job as anyone could. Jordan was a better athlete but that helps him more off the ball than it does isolating a guy. I can’t jump for sh*t, pretty slow, but my most valuable asset is my defense, it’s the only reason I made my high school team. I know it’s an awful to compare myself to NBA level talents, but I think it’s a theory that holds true: isolation defenders aren’t the most amazing of athletes. Bell, Battier, Bowen (lotta bs, huh?) weren’t known for their speed or hops.
    If it makes you feel better, I feel it’s close man-to-man but Jordan separates from Kobe getting steals and blocks, and the dude doesn’t gamble as much as most ball thief, he picks people’s pockets (although probably didn’t get calls as much as he should cause he was MF’ingJ).

  • Pharoah

    Remember Wade is still dealing with a few injuries and that might have something to do with him struggling.

  • T-Money

    so playoffs rotation: bibby-wade-lebron-bosh-dampier with miller-murphy-haslem-chalmers or house off the bench. i can live with that!

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, I didn’t say that MJ’s superior athletic ability over Kobe makes him the better iso defender,what I’m saying is that MJ’s size and strength combined with world-class quickness gives him the edge over Kobe. Also when has Kobe ever guarded Bron over an entire game and was Kobe the one guarding PP during the 08 finals?

  • JTaylor21

    That’s not a bad lineup, anything at PG is better than Mario “Pebble Brain” Chalmers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Jukai pretty much provided the best opinion on the Kobe-LeBron debate

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I think MJ was a better on-ball defender than Kobe. Oh my gosh, me and JTaylor agree on something?! No, I’m totally kidding. You’re alright.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    The refs just f*cking HATE phoenix. What a f*cking CROCK of sh*t. The refs hate Phoenix.

  • allenp

    Stop whining. It was a foul and y’all won anyway.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: It was a foul about two seconds before he ever got into shot motion. That was the worst call of the freaking year, yes, worse than when Grant Hill blatantly hit the ball off the backboard for the Suns to win in Phoenix.
    I mean, that was an awful, awful call. Nash fouls him BEFORE he even finishes his dribble. Not even funny how bad of a call that was.
    I’m happy we won but christ, what a bad call.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Of course you’d think it wasn’t a foul

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Nash’s pass to Lopez was a thing of beauty.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Nash still has it. It’s pretty crazy how well he’s playing at his age–in basketball that’s a remarkable thing.

  • http://www.realgm.com Gman

    I cant believe theres an argument of Kobe vs MJ on defense. MJ hands down unless you never watched MJ play. He had the physical gifts and the I.Q, and lets not forget what put him up there with the greats….his uncanny WILL power!!! muahahaha

  • Omar

    Gman, I know. But some people actually think Kobe is better than MJ period, which is absurd. Kobe is a better outside shooter than Mike but nothing else including will power and defense. Mike was bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic and more competitive.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S2sLe8VuMo Speedster

    Carmelo gonna break some ankles!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S2sLe8VuMo

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