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Friday, February 18th, 2011 at 11:30 am  |  101 responses

Reggie Miller: Not a Hall of Fame Finalist

The voters somehow didn’t think Reggie belongs on the list in his first year of eligibility. The NY Times reports: “When the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame announces its finalists for the class of 2011 on Friday, one name will be conspicuous in its absence: that of Reggie Miller, the former Indiana Pacers sharpshooter, who is in his first year of eligibility. Miller, 45, who retired in 2005 and will be in Los Angeles this weekend as an analyst for TNT during All-Star weekend, was not on the Hall of Fame’s list, according to a person who was made aware that Miller had not been chosen and who asked for anonymity because the results had not been made public … Four groups from the Hall take part in the voting: the North American, the Veterans, the International and the Women’s Committees. To become a finalist from the North American group, nominees must receive approval on at least seven of nine ballots. The other committees require approval from at least five of the seven. To be selected for the Hall, a finalist needs at least 18 of 24 votes from what is known as the Honors Committee, a group consisting of Hall of Famers, basketball executives, members of the news media and other contributors to the game. Committee members are not aware of one another’s identities … Told that Miller was not among the finalists, Donnie Walsh, the Knicks’ president but a Pacers executive when Miller played, said he was surprised. ‘I just know this, if he’s not a Hall of Fame guy, I don’t know who is,’ said Walsh, who drafted Miller 11th over all out of U.C.L.A. in 1987, taking a pass on the in-state favorite Steve Alford.”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Boo hoo. Dominique Wilkins didn’t make it first ballot and he wasn’t a top 50 player. Two great performances against the Knicks does not a first ballot HOF’er make.

  • Charles

    WTF

  • http://google c_cantrell

    wft is right.. whoever is gettin in before him had better be deserving to hit the hall before he does

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Reggie Miller is a first ballot Finalist, he was his best not just against the Knicks, Bulls, Lakers and plenty of good teams. I remember his Pacer team being the best team to almost spoil the Bulls run one year. Reggie was the star of the Pacers for a long time, the greatest Pacer ever and the best 3 point shooter ever, so the HOF, just messed up. First overrated Ray, passes him just being a 3rd wheel on a team, did nothing for Bucks or Sonics all those years and now people are underestimating what he did in the league against top talent. What is America coming too?

  • Reggie Miller

    Damn. I suck. Gonna make up for it though by ruining this year’s All Star festivitataties with my commentary. YEAH BOI.

  • Kid Dynamite

    Damn. Who are they voting in if not Reggie?

  • http://Nba.com GP23

    The fact that he only made 5 all star games in his 18 year career, may have hurt his case. Still, he should be in the HOF.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, Myles did put that in perspective.
    Reggie < Nique
    So if Nique couldn't get it, I'm not surprised at Reggie's failure.

  • MikeC.

    Sounds about right.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    He was one-dimensional. Like Brown already said, if ‘Nique couldn’t get in the first time….

  • Red Star

    They must be talking about another Reggie Miller. It can’t be the Reggie Miller that scored 8 points in 9 seconds to win a game. It can’t be that Reggie Miller, it just can’t be!!!

  • Reggie Miller

    Damn. I suck. Gonna make up for it though by ruining this year’s All Star festivitataties with my commentary. YEAH BOI.

  • http://www.slam.com Excellent BALLA

    reggie miller is the second best shooting guard of all time behind JORDAN and he cant get into the hall of fame. This shit is ridiculous

  • http://ronski28227@yahoo.com Ronski

    You look at the previous first ballot inductees and you wouldn’t put Reggie in. He’ll get there in the future. Look how long Dantley had to wait and it is a crime that Jamal Wilkes is not in the HOF!!!!! C’mon voters, put Silk in.

  • Jeff H

    They are punishing him for being one of the worst announcers of all time. Watching games with him forces me to hit the mute button.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    who all is elegable this year?

  • 6marjons

    travesty

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    Reggie, yes, it was funny the first time.

  • http://slamonline.com Chris O’Leary

    saves me from having to mute his acceptance speech.

  • vtrobot

    not a huge reg fan, but i loved it when larry brown called a second TO to let the pacers fans give larry a longer standing O during his last home game. respect.

  • http://www.boogiewillaims.com Boing Dynasty

    “REGGIE MILLER, WELCOME TO YOUR KODAK MOMENT”

  • Bullsfan

    To bad he didn’t have some kind of record like… The all time leader in 3s for instance. Might of helped him out on the ballot

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    LONG….LIVE….. THE QUEEN!!!! j/k Reggie was one of the best 2s of the 90s not named Mike. Deserving of the H.O.F.

  • JTaylor21

    I think it was because of his suicide inducing commentary.

  • Sparker

    reggie wasn’t even the first option on those pacers teams. and he was prick to just about everyone. he’ll get in, but there’s more than few who’ll be happy to see him wait

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    He landed a pretty good tv gig… Hosting Today, along side Kathy Lee..

  • AveJoes20

    Hey Sparker who was the first option then? Aaron Mckie? Nope. Rik Smits? Nope. Dale Davis? Nope. It was Reggie. I hated Reggie when he played along with about everyone else but he is a first ballot HOF’ER, I guess I mean he should be.

  • HAMMER

    Ain’t this a b*tch! But he wil get n tho. Shoulda been 1st ballot n my opinion tho. Sidenote: Reggie aiight when it comes 2 commentating. Van gundy way worse than reggie

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Cheryl Miller > Reggie Miller. Just sayin!

  • unrel

    can’t talk about reggie’s all-star games.. because he had MJ in the WC.. kind of like today’s D.Will.. anyway.. whether or not he’s a first ballot HOF.. he should at least be a finalist, right?

  • Harlem_World

    Fascinating. It does make you wonder…What is the criteria? MVP’s? Rings? If so, Reggie is destined to always talk about it instead of being about it. Interesting though…Is Dumars head and shoulders over Reggie? Defensively yes. Offensively? Hmmm…

  • vtrobot

    2nd what AveJoes20 said. I guess those higher options were covered when reggie was beating the teams that I was rooting for.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It is possible for the committee to make more then 1 mistake, Dominique not being first ballot (idk who was in that class but from a general standpoint) was obviously a mistake and this is a mistake, Miller is flat out a better player then 2 of the finalist on this years ballot, without question.

  • a_whiteman

    CHERRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  • Rainman

    Im starting to think the person that coined “Where Amazing Happens” did it jsut to cover up the NBA’s stupidity, and all those WTF moments…like this one.

    This IS pretty amazing…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Myles is right about Dominique but you’re absolutely crazy to think that Reggie’s career is based on two games against the Knicks.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Not just a little crazy. Not just partially crazy. You’re absolutely. So totally. In other words, wholly. Or completely. Not a fraction. Not a game, not a game. We talkin’ bout practice.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign nbk X 1000.
    How in the world is Reggie Miller not a first ballot Hall of Famer?! The Hall of Fame, is turning into a joke.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Cosign Myles.

  • http://dsjkfl.com Jukai

    Reggie is pretty overrated and definitely not better than Dominique Wilkins, but uh… who got in over him?

  • LA King

    The guy’s the best shooter EVER. He did it against the best! Ask Spike!

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    Cosign Teddy’s first comment. those two games added to his mystique and his legend, but 2560 threes and consistent clutch play doesn’t lie. don’t justify this mistake by saying the committee made the same mistake with dominique.

  • cmg8807

    cheryl might make it before reggie lmao

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Chris Mullin, Maurice Cheeks, Ralph Sampson, Jamaal Wilkes and Dennis Rodman – Maurice Cheeks and Jamal Wilkes were not better players then Reggie

  • vtrobot

    reggie was 1-dimensional, but the worm was a very complete player.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Best comment ever.

  • Reggie Miller

    Jukai can eat it. Thanks Teddy.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Rodman was at least 2 dimensional. Defense and rebounding are 2 separate things. Reggie was a shooter, and his shooting was not THAT much greater than his peers like Rodman’s defense and rebounding were.

  • Reggie Miller

    YEAH BOI

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, congrats to Ralph Sampson and I hope he makes it, but how can he be a finalist while Bernard King isn’t even NOTICED by the Hall? Soon we’re going to have to stop caring about the Hall of Fame, sort of like the Grammys and the Emmys. And every single MTV award.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Bryan: That’s complete bull. Rebounding is, for the most part, a defensive stat. And Rodman’s defense and rebounding are linked–he was never a great help defender because all he cared about was defending his man and boxing him out. That’s two-dimensional?
    What, is Hakeem Olajuwon six-dimensional because he could score, put the ball on the floor, pass, defend, rebound, and block shots?

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I was sort of being sarcastic teddy but, seriously? Is Kevin Love a good defender because of his rebounding? I doubt it. Was Bruce Bowen a great rebounder because he was a lock down defender? No. Don’t be ignorant. Rodman shut down everyone, including Karl Malone. The NBA’s second all time leading scorer, remember him? While doing that, he rebounded at a rate never seen before. He is the best rebounder, ever. Unquestionably. So say the stats anyway. Reggie is not the best anything.

  • tavoris

    Teddy-not surprised Reggie didn’t get in on first ballot. Those dudes are GENERATION-DEFINING players. Reggie was a great player, but not quite a superstar. Frankly, there are guys who are just as deserving that have been waiting MUCH longer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I knew Bryan was going to bring up Kevin Love.
    Don’t forget Blake Griffin and REggie Evans either.
    People always link defense and rebounding, but it’s a mistake. They are seperate.
    As far as Rodman being hte best rebounder ever, I don’t know. Wilt and Bill Russel were pretty freaking amazing.

  • http://Egotastic.com Michael

    Basketball’s hall of fame is a joke. They need to seperate College and the NBA. Ralph Sampson possibly being in the HOF and Beanrd kind not is ridiculous.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Not a big deal.
    Still the third best shooting guard in NBA History.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Allen, I figured that was a bold statement. I used to fight against the stat heads, especially advanced stats. Howeva! He grabs the highest percentage of rebounds for his career of all time. Although that isn’t a stat that was kept in the Wilt, Russell days. With the pace they played in and the sheer amount of missed shots because everyone was shooting in the low 40′s. I’m confident saying Rodman would be 30 rebound per game guy. Not saying that he would outrebound those guys toe to toe, but then again he really might.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Taking his career rebounding percentage(lower than his highest obviously) and putting him on the 1960 Warriors, the season Wilt averaged a record 27.2 rpg. He would have averaged 28.1, with his career high rebound percentage it would have been 33.5.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    What I just said is obviously inexact, but I think it’s fairly accurate. When Wilt was running around, his team missed 65 shots a game. If the other team missed about the same, he grabbed about 27 that’s great. But when teams were missing a total of 70 shots between them grabbing 19 a game was ridiculous.

  • JTaylor21

    There’s no way Ralph “Glass Heart” Sampson and Chris Mullin should be getting in ahead of Miller. That’s why the HOF is a joke, they should have separate HOFs, one for college and one for the L. Also Rodman is the greatest pound-for-pound rebounder in history while Wilt and Russell are the greatest rebounders. regardless of size.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Just wondering, did you follow Sampsons career closely when he was active?

  • JTaylor21

    Not really but researching and watching young Hakeem play a lot helps. Like during the 86 finals while Dream was down low abusing the celtics front-line, Sampson was on the perimeter chucking jump-shots therefore their slight size advantage over the celtics was negated. Dude just didn’t have what it takes to dominate and if he had half the heart Hakeem had, the rockets could have dominated the west and mid 80s.

  • T-Money

    5 all-star games in 18 years. 18 ppg for his career. Never made it to even 2nd team all-NBA. I mean… take out the name and we should be discussing if he even has a place in the Hall.

  • Reggie Miller

    Ok who keeps saying boi under my name ?

  • JTaylor21

    T-Money, if you wanna go there, how bout Sampson. Dude only made 4-all star teams, only 2-all nba selections and avg. 1.6 bpg standing 7-4. Miller has more of a case to be in the HOF than Sampson.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Reggie is a HOFamer, If Joe Dumars is in the Hall of Fame, then Reggie is first ballot. Joe Dumars didn’t accomplish alot during his career and he is in the Hall of Fame and many others. ITS A JOKE, THAT REGGIE IS NOT FIRST BALLOT. NBA HALL OF FAME, WHERE STUPIDITY HAPPENS!!!

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Jtaylor do you actually know anything about why Sampson played so little? His knees were WRECKED. His first 3 years, 20+ points 11 boards. He shot outside, which by the way would be praised like crazy today. He could, pass and handle. If anything he was about 15 years ahead of his time. You really need to brush up on your history dude.

  • JTaylor21

    I knew he got hurt, so I don’t hold that against him but dude was 7-4 and only avg. 1.6bpg for his career and even though jump-shooting bigs are accepted today, it wasn’t accepted back then. I’m not hating on Sampson, I’m just stating why Miller should have gotten in before him. Also considering that he was the first overall pick, it’s safe to say that he was a bust.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Before the injuries he was blocking 2 plus shots per game. That’s exactly my point, he was playing on perimeter before it was accepted. If he doesn’t get hurt, he’s revolutionizing the game. Injuries don’t make you a bust, is Yao a bust? He’s been past the second round once and averages 1.9 blocks per game and he’s an inch taller.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Miller made ONE more all star team in 8 more seasons. You shot yourself in the foot there chief.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay good point about rebounding + defense, Bryan. Even still, you can’t make the argument that Rodman is more well-rounded than Reggie. That’s just stupid to even talk about.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay I agree that Miller should be in the Hall before Sampson, but Sampson is FAR from a bust. That’s a ridiculous statement to make, JT.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Um..Yes I can. Miller did NOTHING else. He couldn’t even create the shot himself. He spent 18 years running off ten million screens. I’m not saying he doesn’t belong in the hall but Rodman > Miller in terms of impact on the game.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Bryan: You can’t just say Rodman would have been pulling down the same % of rebounds if he were playing against Wilt and Russell… Dennis never played with an athletic center on his team who could pull rebounds away from him. Nor did he ever have to conserve energy for anything else other than rebounding and playing man-to-man defense.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    David Robinson wasn’t an athletic center..? He had his career high rebounding % was with the Spurs. Also he outrebounded every center in the league at that time including but not limited to Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Mourning and Moutombo.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL, right Bryan, Miller could only hit 3 pointers. He wasn’t a great scorer and he didn’t bring any leadership to his team, nor was he clutch.
    You’re describing Eddie House more than you are Reggie. SMH.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I didn’t say only three pointers, I said he was one dimensional that one dimension was catch and shooting. Leadership is not a tangible we’re talking tangibles.

  • JTaylor21

    Come on son, a 7-4 center’s best years were 11 rpg and 2 bpg, he avg. 15/8/1.6bpg, shot 48% from the field for his career. He was hyped up to be the next great center and some even had the nerve to compare him to Wilt and Russell, so umm that sounds like a bust to me.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    You didn’t answer my question about Yao who has yet to equal his 11 boards or 2.4 blocks per game.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’m sure I’ve seen Reggie Miller dunk in a game once.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    @Dacre yeah he definitely used to catch those leaning two handers (with some regularity actually)

  • JTaylor21

    Yao is not really a bust because no one had the nerve to compare him to Wilt and Russell, I’m sorry but 15/8/1.6 from a 7-4 #1 overall pick equates bust. Yao is more like an underachiever but he’s not a bust.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Wow. Watch a game.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Career stats mean nothing to a player who is judged pretty much on his playing days BEFORE injury. Ralph Sampson is far from a bust–injuries do not equal bust, especially when the player has proved himself in his first few years of playing. Had Sampson remained healthy he would have been a perennial All-Star. You just can’t call someone who averaged 21 and 11 his rookie year a bust.
    Sampson was one of the better #1 draft picks of… pretty much all time. Come on now.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sampson Rodman & Miller all deserve it. Plain and simple Maurice Cheeks & Jamal Wilks should not based on basketball playing career be in the HOF before Reggie, atleast not at this point. Even if Dominique Wilkins wasn’t first ballot but was better and Reggie was “one-dimensional” he still had sustained success both individually and in terms of his team. Plus he #2 all-time from 3 and a playoff performer like not many others.

  • http://dsjkfl.com Jukai

    nbk: Miller deserves it, but I guess the committee didn’t find him first ballot. It’s not choosing Cheeks and Wilkes OVER him, it’s about how many times they were passed over.
    JTaylor: Yao Ming was compared with Hakeem and was supposed to be the next great Houston center. He was REALLLLLY hyped.
    Bryan: Everyone I have talked to who has watched Sampson closely told me he was a bit underwhelming for how he was hyped. The fact that he was outplayed by Hakeem everytime they played together, even before injury, should be a red flag. Portland desperately tried to get Ralph Sampson by trying to trade both DREXLER and their second round pick (JORDAN!!!). So, yeah, Sampson either didn’t live up or was late blooming.

  • Elvis Freshly

    the seed is a clown lol… this dude is on here every day hating on Ray. Ray is a better o/a player then reggie EVER was. You can argue who the better shooter is but Ray is more athletic, better ball handler, passer ect.. Just face it.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign nbk. And Jukai.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    15 and eight from a center is underwhelming particularly when you consider the great centers the league had. And hall of fame feels like the hall of very good to me. Also how much of a pass do you I’ve for injuries? Penny would lime that pas for sure. I think Sampson probably got a bump for his insane college career. That counts the voting.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I’m not saying his career averages are great or underrated. I’m saying they don’t reflect his true talent.

  • Ali Saadat

    BOO! There is no way Reggie isn’t First Ballot!

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    ‘Joe Dumars didn’t accomplish a lot in his career.’
    The Seed where ignorance happens.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    The reason Sampson is getting this recognition is because, he actually did help revolutionize the center position with what he could do for his size. He was exceptional at running the floor. He was Kevin Garnett before Kevin Garnett.
    I’ll never forget the all star game when he wanted to run the point during the game…
    But yes, he was ahead of his time, as Bryan said. As Allen said, he had an all time college career, which may had bumped his chances of getting “the call to The Hall”. JTaylor is also right about him on certain aspects of the game.
    Hall of Fame? I mean, Joe Barry Carroll had a better overall career. Wasn’t better than Sampson, but… Oh, well. I’m happy for Sampson. Another guy who’s had a lot of drama in his life.
    I hope Yao gets in if Sampson can get in.

  • tavoris

    Rodman was an exceptional defender despite his rebounding prowess.

  • http://dsjkfl.com Jukai

    The reason Sampson is getting honroed is cause of his college career…. which is even mentioned in the article…

  • mezstah

    And what about Artis Gilmore?
    That’s a digrace he isn’t in the HOF.

  • JTaylor21

    That’s why there should different basketball HOFs, one for those who excelled in college and another for those who excelled in the NBA.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @speedy
    Name some accomplishments for Joe D, matter of fact, check his wiki NBA page it is very slim. I would take Reggie of Joe D anyday.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Joe Dumars > Reggie

  • 1982

    Joe Dumars is better than Reggie the same way Derek Fisher is better than Magic. If they didn’t win, JD wouldn’t be mentioned. Mark Jackson at best.

  • 54495319145

    Reggie Miller was a C-List NBA player at best, he was a one dimensional player who couldn’t pass, rebound, create his own shot or shoot off the dribble with much accuracy. defensively he was adequate and that is mostly because he played alongside such a physical and defensive minded front line (Rik Smits and The Davis Boys) who helped elevate many of his defensive mistakes. Also, it was Rik Smits, not Miller who was the first option on many of those Pacers teams. His overall numbers are not enough to warrant his enrishment nor are his handful of extraordinary performances. Look up his stats in those series in which many of you speak of his heriocs and you will find they are par at best.

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