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Wednesday, March 16th, 2011 at 1:30 pm  |  162 responses

Grant Hill Responds Strongly to the Fab Five


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Last Sunday, ESPN aired a tremendous documentary about Michigan‘s famed Fab Five team. One of the most compelling — and hilarious — parts of the doc was when Jalen Rose and his teammates told the world what their teenage selves used to think of Grant Hill and the Duke Blue Devils.

Rose admitted that he was jealous of Hill‘s upbringing and solid family life (a complete 180 degrees from Jalen’s own childhood), and Jimmy King summarized what his team thought of those Duke teams: “I thought Christian Laettner was soft; a bitch. And I thought Grant Hill was a bitch.”

Grant Hill caught the documentary, and promised to fire back.

And today, he did just that, in the NY Times (with further thoughts to be posted on his own website later):

It was a sad and somewhat pathetic turn of events, therefore, to see friends narrating this interesting documentary about their moment in time and calling me a bitch and worse, calling all black players at Duke “Uncle Toms” and, to some degree, disparaging my parents for their education, work ethic and commitment to each other and to me. I should have guessed there was something regrettable in the documentary when I received a Twitter apology from Jalen before its premiere. I am aware Jalen has gone to some length to explain his remarks about my family in numerous interviews, so I believe he has some admiration for them.

In his garbled but sweeping comment that Duke recruits only “black players that were ‘Uncle Toms,’ ” Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle-class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today.

I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped them back then for their appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons. I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.

Game.Set.Match. That ending was killer.

I think Hill might’ve missed the point that Rose and his teammates were trying to convey: mainly, that this is what they thought of Duke and its players back then, as very young men. Nevertheless, it’s a very strong response from Grant Hill.

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  • http://slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    People might comment on this story.

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    yeah i dont think Grant knew that it was in retrospect. but very good piece. why a black who grew up with a mom and dad needs to apologize is beyond me.

  • reald1

    Grants getting it twisted up,their talkin bout their young selves,dont take it to personel its just what they saw.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    While Grant’s response is spectacular, he failed to correlate Jalen’s word coming from 20 years ago to the man he is today. It’s a shame, but most people I grew up with felt the same way about that particular Duke team. They were just an unlikeable group as a whole.

  • Anonymous2

    I respect his response, but that was 1992. Other people not just the Fab Five had the same type of feelings about Duke.

  • http://www.lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    Grant’s response is total class, but I found the Fab Five’s thoughts to be refreshing and candid declarations from 18 year old young men. This is a documentary, and they chose to include this view. Wrong or right, I applaud their honesty. I also thank Grant for his mature and thought-provoking response.

  • underdog

    Didn’t have the chance to see the documentary yet, but I definitely will. It’s easy to see Grant Hill inherited all the work ethic and commitment from his parents. I got all the respect for him after all the struggles he has been trough, with injuries and all that. Dude is a class-act. And the last sentence of his response? Flawless victory.

  • JL

    What the fab five said is totally what you could envision just friends talking. I don’t blame them for saying stuff like that. At the same time Grant Hill has all the rights to come back from his point of view too. And his comeback was very well articulated, inadvertently furthering the divide between the two groups. He is right though in saying that his family and himself should not be hated upon because they worked hard and stayed together!

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Notice Grant Hill never said Christian Laettn wasnt a b*tch.

  • All Day

    What made people hate Duke even more was when Laettner stomped on the chest of that cat from Kentucky.

  • izzo

    As a white person, I feel compelled to get inexplicably defensive about this whole thing.

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    duke sucks

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Sensitive thugs, and non-thugs, y’all all need hugs…

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    you know what, Dahntay Jones went to Duke…

  • DeeDaw

    Grant Hill’s response is great but, Jalen clearly stated that those were his thoughts when he was 18 years old. He even stated afterward that those thoughts were based on a profound resentment and jealousy of Grant and his family.

    This response, written in the NYT, just blows the whole situation out of proportion.

    I was proud of Jalen for being honest about how he felt during those years, however misguided his feelings were. Those feelings were real and they were based on perceptions that he has now come to realize as an adult are not as cut and dry as they appear to be to a 18 year old kid.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    izzo, FTW!

  • the rod

    This is the everlasting stereotype about duke players…

  • All Day

    @JoeyE: Jalen admitted that he was jealous of Grant’s upbringing. Jalen wanted the life Grant had. Jalen wanted his father in his life. He wanted to be raised by his mother and father. Jalen said he felt that black players who went to Duke were Uncle Toms. Grant is implying that because he was raised by a two-parent, middle class family, he’s considered an Uncle Tom. Jalen wasn’t dissing Grant’s upbringing or his family…he was dissing his University and his team. Grant completely missed the point on that issue.

  • First & Foremost

    @ Boing Dynasty – Who decides argue against the truth?

  • Clement

    I have to admit….this is a great contrast to the comments in the NY Times:

    http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/

    If you look at the comments, the majority are along the lines of “Great job Hill” etc.

    I love the Linkstigators for keeping it real. I don’t THINK Grant wrote that deliberately as a “marketing” piece for himself…but it could have been perceived that way.

    He DID miss Jalen’s point…
    Jalen was just stating his feelings at that point in time…which was what it was…formulated through his life experience…

    But at this point, it almost seemed like Grant chose to ignore that fact and take what Jalen said so that it suited whatever hatorism he gets for being a Dukie.

    Either way, good way to stir shi* up for a mid-week work day.

    I have worked with both these guys before and they’re both good people. And I’m glad our Linkstigators are seeing both sides as opposed to those NY Times readers…(understanding that Linkstigators could be both)

  • JTaylor21

    The Black Mamba had plans to attend Duke so……..

  • Steveq

    It is understandable for Jalen and the others to have thoughts like that. It is a sad situation that they do. It is sad they didn’t have the parents who raised them to view life at that age in a different perspective. Grant Hill would have been very successful even if he couldn’t play basketball. That is what we would hope for all of our countries youth. Focus on education more and not think just because they are blessed with athletic ability they have it made or that they have class and know how to act. Being mature and respectful of others is something young adults get from their families, not from the courts or streets.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    @JTaylor21: Your obsession with KB is ridiculous.

  • mari

    It was disparage to all working middle class family, Grant Hill worked hard to be on the Duke team, I am not a Duke fan by far, the Fab Five were thought of as thugs, hoods, gansta, but were they. Grant respond with class and the education he earned. The Fab Five came of as aging bitter children. Uncle Tom is a derogatory term and to use it shows lack of education and class.

  • toinefan88

    Mamba was going to Michigan.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Fab Five documentary is taken out of context and blown out of proportion. They were speaking on how they felt at the time, Jalen even admits a lot of what he felt toward Grant Hill was jealousy. Either way, what Grant wrote was well written and very intelligent. I hate Duke, but I respect them.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Ouch… Grant Hill won that one. Classy but still somewhat incendiary. Jalen apologized to him already before the documentary aired though, so…

  • HAMMER

    U knew this was coming. I admire the classiness n Hill’s response

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out to Mark Alerie…

  • HAMMER

    N the end KB8 went 2 the NBA. So squash that argument

  • swalk

    Jalen Rose and Jimmy King have both been on ESPN since the documentary aired and they did not speak as if these were just beliefs they held at age 18, but that they still hold them today.

    The Fab Five can complain all they want that Duke did not want them (though Webber was a highly sought Duke recruit). Duke’s recruiting is a reflection of its program, a program whose goal is to put the best team on the floor.

    Does Duke have an obligation to recruit inferior players if they have worse backgrounds? No. Does Duke somehow choose to hamper itself by choosing less talented players from better backgrounds? Knowing how competetive Coach K is, that just seems ridiculous. Would Duke have been better served recruting Jalen Rose over Grant Hill? I think the results speak for themsleves. Past that, what is the argument?

  • Hussman25

    Classy Response, but he missed the point and clearly wanted to take a jab w/ the last statement… Ill say this… is anyone from ESPN calling Hill, Laettner, Hurley or Coach K to do a documentary on them…. I dont think so :O(

    HA!

  • Fat Lever

    You guys think that maybe Grant knew Jalen said this and felt this way 18 years ago, but you know, in order to negate the Duke stereotype for future prospects, he had to respond for potential recruits? Sorry, but Grant’s response was warranted. Something had to be said, and it was said in a professional, thought provoking manner.

  • JTaylor21

    I believe that JRose was right at that time in his life to feel that way about Dukies.

  • TR

    Good to see Grant’s every bit as eloquent as I thought he was. And for that closer? SICK BURN, YEEEEEAH!

  • Detroit Dave

    Hey Slam, you think you guys can interview some Prime Time players from that era? Shaq, Mike Finley, Donyell Marshall, Alan Anderson? And get some Dukies like Maggette, Hurley, Laetner, Elton Brand, Jay Williams. Find NBA guys to give their opinion on the Documentary and Grant Hill opinion also.

  • Michigan Mike

    Grant Hill’s response was tasteless and classless. He may have won college titles, and may be the better player, but he has not been to the NBA Finals like Jalen has, or ever will as long as he is in Phoenix. That punchline in the end, classless. Jalen said what he felt as a freshman in Michigan, a sentiment many felt as fans of the Fab Five. As a fan of the Fab Five, I hated Duke, their pristine, uptight behavior, and how they seemed to play robotically. Jalen said what was on his mind, which is refreshing. What, was he supposed to be bureaucratic, and put on the facade that his teammates like Duke? C’Mon. That’s not how it was. Their was a bitter, yet brief rivalry between them, and although Duke had the upper hand, the teams did not like each other. I hope Grant Hill never wins an NBA title for the rest of his career.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    Grant Hill: killin’ em with class.

  • capostat

    garbled?! I think his writing is trying to be something it’s not.

  • http://jamison526@aol.com Jimmy G

    Grant Hill’s response was tasteless and classless. He may have won college titles, and may be the better player, but he has not been to the NBA Finals like Jalen has, or ever will as long as he is in Phoenix. Jalen said what he felt as a freshman in Michigan, a sentiment many felt as fans of the Fab Five in that era.

    Jalen said what was on his mind, which is refreshing. What, was he supposed to be bureaucratic, and put on the facade that his teammates like Duke? C’Mon. That’s not how it was. Their was a bitter, yet brief rivalry between them, and although Duke had the upper hand, the teams did not like each other. I hope Grant Hill never wins an NBA title for the rest of his career.

  • http://jamison526@aol.com Jimmy G

    Grant’s response was a lowblow. He may have won college titles, and may be the better player, but he has not been to the NBA Finals like Jalen has, or ever will as long as he is in Phoenix. Jalen said what he felt as a freshman in Michigan, a sentiment many felt as fans of the Fab Five in that era.

    Jalen said what was on his mind, which is refreshing. What, was he supposed to be bureaucratic, and put on the facade that his teammates like Duke? That’s not how it was. Their was a bitter, yet brief rivalry between them, and although Duke had the upper hand, the teams did not like each other.

  • robb

    I admire Grant so much. From the promising player he was in college, the spectacular player he was in the Detroit, the determined player who overcame so many adverse moments as a player to the Benjamin Button guy who is still playing at 38 in Phoenix today. Hill has always been a synonym of class and hard work. His response was awesome and the ending was killer, however the Fav 5 Special showed what these guys used to think of Duke back then. When you’re young and you take challenges, your motivation is 100% visceral, you just go at 100mph and try to be as tough as you possibly can, you are a rebel and your enemies are those who you represent the opposite of who you are or at least who you think you are, that’s what I think these 5 guys were trying to say. Jalen was cautious and respectful by giving Hill an apology before the special, so probably Hill went too far at the end. I guess defending his family and his alma matter made him boil so he felt compelled to make a statement like that.

  • Red Star

    They were kids at the time, gosh! Grant completely missed the point and took it personally! Then again Jalen should have called or spoke to him personally instead of a tweet!

  • http://jamison526@aol.com Jimmy G

    Jalen said what he felt as a freshman in Michigan, a sentiment many felt as fans of the Fab Five in that era. Jalen said what was on his mind, which is refreshing. What, was he supposed to be bureaucratic, and put on the facade that his teammates like Duke? That’s not how it was. Their was a bitter, yet brief rivalry between them, and although Duke had the upper hand, the teams did not like each other.

  • http://coupdela.com wecoupdela

    can we stop calling grant hill middle class? his father was in the NFL and he and Grant’s mother were DEFINITELY not mediocre economically or socially.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    What I always thought was funny about Grant Hill was how he was this squeaky clean guy with a college degree from Duke, and yet the most grimiest cats from the most grimiest hoods all wanted to cop his Fila kicks back in the days.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Yeah, I totally called this.

  • James G

    Jalen said what he felt as a freshman in Michigan, a sentiment many felt as fans of the Fab Five in that era. Jalen said what was on his mind, which is refreshing. What, was he supposed to be bureaucratic, and put on the facade that his teammates like Duke? That’s not how it was. Their was a bitter, yet brief rivalry between them, and although Duke had the upper hand, the teams did not like each other. Props to Jalen.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Lol @ JT

  • James G

    Grant Hill: How many NBA finals have you been to? At least Jalen has been to one with the Pacers. So HA!

  • Jimmy G

    The amount of NBA Finals each player has been to: Jalen 1, Grant 0. Check it out on basketball-reference.

  • http://jojo.com Max

    I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five
    OOOUUCCHHH

  • Kihwan

    Hill’s got his panties all bunched up. Relax, man. This was something that was thought about you almost 20 yrs ago. I’m sure the Fab Five weren’t the only ones who thought this about you or Duke almost 20yrs ago. Times have changed, people have changed. No reason to have to defend yourself over something that was thought about you ALMOST 20 YRS AGO.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Webber used to be one of my favorite players in the L when he was with the Bullets and Kings, But I thought it was kinda disrespectful some of the comments I’ve read about his opinion on Karl Malone, name calling and what not. He even once dunked the ball and ran up the court right next to mailman with his face inches away from Malone’s. I know he has grown-up since then, but still..

  • T-Money

    I’m so disappointed by Hill’s response. Did he even watch the doc? The comments are made through the eyes of an 18-year old inner city kid. Jalen never said that he believed that in 2011. And he never disputed the merits of being raised in a two parent household, he actually ENVIED that. Major fail by Grant Hill. (and btw, I’m not surprised that most are applauding Grant’s piece. Uncle Tom discussions are juuuuust a bit outside of most people’s comfort zones).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I see folks didn’t get the context.
    Jalen, at 17, as an “urban” youth without a father resented and disliked Grant Hill whose father was a former athlete and current doctor.
    He, like many young people, had a pretty unnuanced view of Hill, and developed a harsh and unflattering opinion.
    He did not say Grant Hill was actually an Uncle Tom now, or that he was right for thinking what he did then. He said that’s what he thought, at that age, and he made it clear he doesn’t think that now.
    Jimmy King simply didn’t like Laetnner.
    It’s sad that people who tend to avoid racial discussions like the plague can suddenly find the time, energy and understanding to weigh in on this issue, and pretend to speak from a place of intelligence.
    Sad.

  • http://theurbangriot.com Jam on it

    My nephew watched this and had the impression that Jalen was saying that Grant his is a b*tch and is an uncle Tom. He took from the comments that Jalen and his fab five friends thought that then and continue to think that now. Jalen admits where he got the idea that Grant and other duke players are the way they are, but he doesn’t say he doesn’t still believe that today. From Grants perspective I understand why he wrote this, it sucks to be called names for not doing anything besides the right things the right way. The statements by Jalen may have been formed 20 years ago, however he’s still makeing statements today and not saying he doesn’t feel the same way now as he did 20 years ago. So I don’t know how Grant took something out of context.

  • hoodsnake

    Ryan wins but it was how they felt at the time. If I was eighteen and somebody whoop me for the chip I would also have had the resentment the Fab 5 had. The underlying message: Planned parenthood. And just for the record I was also raised in a single parent home.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    “I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five”…..FTW

  • T-Money

    I don’t get what is so classy about Grant’s response. He made it personal talking about tweets and signed off with a petty line that doesn’t have anything to do with the issue.

  • http://jamison526@aol.com Jimmy G

    At least Jalen and the others were being honest about how they felt. That’s not to say they were justified or right in their views. At least you know they aren’t being fake. Besides, they are telling you what their 17, 18, and 19 year old minds thought of Duke. I suppose all the sanctimonious souls on this board had a fully developed and unassailable worldview at that age.

  • http://jamison526@aol.com Jimmy G

    At least Jalen and the others were being honest about how they felt. That’s not to say they were justified or right in their views. At least you know they aren’t being fake. Besides, they are telling you what their 17, 18, and 19 year old minds thought of Duke. I suppose all the sanctimonious souls on this board had a fully developed and unassailable worldview at that age.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t believe so many folks think this was a “win” for Grant Hill.
    What did he win? He constructed a strawman argument, and then dismantled it.
    You know what’s really interesting?
    Jalen’s comments came from his state-of-mind that was shaped by his enviroment. Basically, he was a man of his times.
    How often do people use that same excuse to explain away far more heinous activity from so-called “American heroes”? How can people on one hand give one person a pass for being a man of his time, but refuse that pass for someone else.
    Personally, while Jalen’s thoughts represented a popular stereotype, (One I also held), they weren’t accurate about Hill or many other Duke athletes. He was wrong, and I think he understand that now. And his thoughts deal with the larger issue of what it means to be “real” and be black.
    The black experience is varied and different. There is no “real” black to a certain degree. That said, I find it amazing the level of interest this comment from one black man about another black man has generated among white folks.
    Is it because Grant and his family were considered “good blacks”? Does that mean they’ve earned a circling of the wagons?
    It’s curious.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jam On It
    Then your nephew needs to work on his ability to understand context.
    Don’t ask Grant Hill to tutor him.

  • vtrobot

    Ha ha, Boing. 2nd what Grant Hill said. True pro.

  • Toronto

    Grant Hill is probably writing this to all those people who hate Duke, not just the Fab Five, for their sweeping generalization that African-American Duke players are Uncle Toms. Jalen and Jimmy’s comments just created the flashpoint, and he’s used this opportunity to clarify his position. Coach K is big on character, and recruits players that fit that bill. The most recent is Kyrie Irving, who everyone says is a classy, driven young man with a solid character. Say what you will about the university, but Grant Hill took exception to the view that he, and other African-American players (many of whom are now coaches, businessmen, analysts, or current players) are Uncle Toms, when, upon further investigation, is moronically mistaken for strong character and success. So yes…Grant Hill, like many here have said, didn’t really ‘get’ Jalen’s point. He was busy making his own damn good one.

  • trav mendous

    i respect grant hill but, as a black male, i wish he had took this opportunity to continue opening the door (as jalen did) on why there is racial context behind ppl’s dislike for the blue devils. hill is not an “uncle tom” but i think jalen spoke from a past perspective that still exist today whether ppl are brave enough to share it or not. The game has change and the demand on coaches have increases such that they do recruit more “inner city” kids if the talent is there but there are still issues present. Hill will get a pass b/c this is during the season but if he is true to his word then i hope he will use his education to articulate more on racial and socioeconomic issues present in sports.

  • Mike B

    I think it’s because of the preconceived notions and misconceptions that the Fab Five had while they played Duke at the time. Obviously, they know now that Duke was the better team, but coming so highly rated, it was hard for them to not overlook them and feel that they were better than them. That’s what most really talented teams do, and Duke was so far the opposite of Michigan that they were bound to clash.

    18-year old kids have swagger. They’re not the smartest, but it’s better to have confidence than none at all. It’s just a shame that Michigan and Duke continue to clash as old adults, which Grant Hill throws in a petty insult at the end of his letter, stating he has never lost to the Fab Five (though Jalen can say he has been to one more NBA finals that Grant has been to, but who cares?).

    The point of ESPN’s documentary was to show the realism of how the kids felt, no matter how wrong it was. It’s good to see some honesty for a change, of how the kids viewed the world then, even it rubs some people the wrong way. It’s just the emphasis should’ve stated more on how they view the world now.

  • True H

    no everybody here missed the point. In the documentary the term “Uncle Tom” was never explained or clarified. Grant Hill simply wanted to diffuse the perception that a successful black family operating morally was somehow disingenuous to the culture.

  • http://jamison526@aol.com Jimmy G

    think it’s because of the preconceived notions and misconceptions that the Fab Five had while they played Duke at the time. Obviously, they know now that Duke was the better team, but coming so highly rated, it was hard for them to not overlook them and feel that they were better than them. That’s what most really talented teams do, and Duke was so far the opposite of Michigan that they were bound to clash.

    18-year old kids have swagger. They’re not the smartest, but it’s better to have confidence than none at all. It’s just a shame that Michigan and Duke continue to clash as old adults, which Grant Hill throws in a petty insult at the end of his letter, stating he has never lost to the Fab Five (though Jalen can say he has been to one more NBA finals that Grant has been to, but who cares?).

    The point of ESPN’s documentary was to show the realism of how the kids felt, no matter how wrong it was. It’s good to see some honesty for a change, of how the kids viewed the world then, even it rubs some people the wrong way. It’s just the emphasis should’ve stated more on how they view the world now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why would the term “Uncle Tom” have to be clarified?
    It was a commonly enough used term in the black community, who doesn’t understand what it means?
    Read Harriet Beecher Stowe’s book for a freaking refresher if you’re unclear.
    There was no need to “clarify” the term. That would be like clarifying “Poor white trash.”
    It’s an intraracial insult, that is properly understood by most folks within the race.
    That’s a bogus explanation by Hill if that was his opinion.
    What he meant to say was Jalen never said he was wrong and apologized for thinking that on the documentary. Or better yet, he didn’t refrain from being honest.

  • Brahsef

    Yeah Grant Hill needs to realize what Jalen was talkin about. You think with a Duke education reading/viewing comprehension would be better.

    As an 18-20 year old, it’s easy to demonize your enemy in basketball. Grant Hill had everything in life and Jalen didn’t. It’s not hard to realize the jump to uncle tom. It’s a common disconnect between inner-city blacks and upper class suburb blacks still.

  • JTaylor21

    I don’t know why GHill is now of a sudden catching feelings but didn’t say or do a damn thing when they played against each other?
    Also JRose never personally labeled Hill an “uncle tom”, he was talking about Duke history of recruiting black players that come from affluent families. Look at it this way, Rose was a 17 yr old poor kid from Detroit that resented Duke only going after a certain type of black player.
    I’m with JRose on this one, he was young and his views towards the world around him was affected by his surroundings and upbringing.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    Grant caught feelings

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Two points…
    1. Grant Hill defended himself and his family a whole LOT less than he defended Duke University in his NYT piece.
    2. How come he didn’t rush to the aid of Elton Brand who was sent a very nasty email by a Duke alum because he decided to leave for the NBA after 2 years?
    Hypocrisy…

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Is Obama a uncle Tom?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    BossTerry
    Depends on who you ask…

  • ThaWindy

    ROSE thought they were UNCLE TOMS because he didnt get recruited by DUKE. So he thought all there black players where uncle toms..

  • DukeMan

    To everybody trying to say Hill didn’t get the point and is responding to Rose’s 18 year old opinions: not quite. Rose did an interview on espn, you should watch it. He backpedals a bit but doesn’t ever say he disagrees with his 18 year old opinion. In fact, he seems to exhibit different opinions during different segments of the interview. It is clear that there are certain things he cannot say and so is lightly implying…Hill’s response was very appropriate.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Is their a cream for that? Or a gargle…?

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    So, because someone has power, maybe money, a good childhood, and doesn’t abuse the American English language, they are considered a “uncle Tom”, and should be ashamed of themselves?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I want to know if Jalen Rose still feels like this today?

  • dunkbar

    Grant Hill drinks Sprite!

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    @Dacre- I doubt it, or at least hope not.. Doesn’t Bill Cosby host a show called-”kids say the stupidest things”?

  • Will

    Grant knew this was in retrospect. I love how his response was clear and to the point. He did say, “…moment in time.” I loved the ending.

  • Michigan Mike

    It’s sad to see the Fab Five portrayed like this. I think the documentary was done very poorly. It started out too serious, and the director completely ignored Jalen and Chris Webber’s early childhood friendship and high school basketball rivalry, the director seemed to gloss over the good times, and he egged the players on about their preconceived notions on Duke’s players to stir up controversy. On top of it, they showed too much of the sanctions, instead of showing the highlights during their era. This documentary is the last thing the Fab Five needed.

    They were fun to watch, and that’s all this documentary should’ve been about. It should’ve been shot the way the Raiders’ 30 for 30 doc was shot, or the way the UNLV doc on HBO was shot. I can see why Webber didn’t want to be part of this. He was not going to be portrayed favorably, and the director only seemed to want to generate ratings, as he seemed to present himself from an outside point of view. He should’ve focused on the Fab Five’s friendship, and good times more, but he didn’t, which makes this documentary so hard and gruesome to watch. I love the Fab Five, but the doc could’ve been shot better so that they would be seen in a more favorable light.

  • Michigan Mike

    The director did a really poor job of making this documentary. Show more of the good times, and the backstory of Jalen and Chris Webber’s early childhood friendship, and high school rivalry. Show more on Michigan’s ascent from the 6 seed in their first year to the finals when the Fab Five were freshman. Show more on what captivated America about the Fab Five, and less on sanctions.

    Also, the director kept trying to egg the players on about this topic, which was annoying. This documentary had an overly serious tone, when it should’ve been fun, like the Raiders 30 for 30 one, or the UNLV doc on HBO. Hopefully, there’ll be a better one in ten years, but somehow, I doubt it. It’s a shame, because I’m a fan of the Fab Five, but they weren’t portrayed in a very favorable light.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    My last comment was @ 5:04, but it appears some of “my” comments are awaiting moderation.. Whatever they are, im sure they will be bone-headed, or possibly racist.. They are not me…

  • JTaylor21

    Obama has never been an “Uncle Tom” because he never took the easy way out and worked extremely hard for everything he has today.
    If people think that he’s an uncle tom then where can I sign up to become one?

  • Riggs

    true story, the cosby show was based off of grant hills family (and their sweaters).

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I always love the NFL documentaries they make leading up to the super bowl – previous teams and their insurmountable rise to the task. Thats the angle they should have done for Fab Five…. OKay Jalen and his boys (and everyone else) have their problems/envies with other young guys and their lot in life – but promote the DAVID -vs- GOLIATH aspect…. here are young boys from less… productive backgrounds doing the SAME thing as these ‘well off’ students. Not swing for the barn and see how much !@#$ you can smear.

  • grenners

    I never lost a game to the fab five either.

  • Riggs

    Also grant hill is a liar if he’s acting like that’s the first time he heard someone call him a b*tch or an uncle tom. When he played at opponents arenas, i know he definitely heard those words being used and i KNOW some of his opponents were using them. He totally missed the point of jalens comments and he didnt “win” anything.

  • Heals

    Love it!

  • Michael

    Gandhi was a fool, ***** fight to the death.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Sounds like Jalen isn’t the only one speaking out of jealousy haters…Any moron who states that all people that are a fan of a certain sports team are “suspect” doesn’t have a very clear grasp of reality and has no idea what is and isn’t important in life…

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    Jalen’s comment came from a more personal place. The life that Grant Hill and the predominating majority of black players recruited by Duke had, was the life that he was supposed to have. Jalen’s father was a millionaire, yet Jalen and his mother were forced to live off of nothing in one of the grimiest parts of one of the grimiest cities in the country. The truth of the matter was Duke at that time and even till this day selectively recruits players on a particular socio-economic rung, and he admitted in the documentary that he was bitter because of this.

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    I didn’t see the documentary.
    Jalen said he thought that as a 20 year old.
    Did he say clearly it was wrong what he thought and that blacks should not be jealous of each other and of what he or she accomplished.
    If he did Grant’s last comment was classless if not Jalen just missed an opportunity to let other kids learn through him.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    I want to know what Elton Brand thinks of all this.

  • Ajamu

    Grant’s dad was a star running back for the Dallas Cowboys, Jalen’s dad was a millionaire deadbeat! What would you expect from 18 year old Jalen? Jalen went to high school in Plano Texas, so it wasn’t all ghetto life, but still..Chris Webber went to Detroit County DAY School(private)and did not grow up in the inner city. Mayce Webber Jr. was taken to the hood by his dad to learn to compete, and came from a middle class,2 parent home, thus, was recruited hard by,DUKE. A lot of players know Kobe is a silver spoon star and his arrogance is why blue collar Philly shows him no love. However, Kobe is one of the very few sons of an NBA player who actually can seriously ball. Most silver spooners don’t have the heart, they’re soft and spoiled.Yes Kobe turned down DUKE for the NBA. I would say there some merit to the notion that Duke “profiles” it’s African American recruits. Duke profiles all of it’s incoming freshmen, with very few total African Americans on campus period. The video was a great reminder of a time of change on the American social landscape.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t he made it clear he was wrong but he didn’t say it directly. I think he was wrong to call him an Uncle Tom. Not so wrong to say Duke only wanted certain players.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    This is besides the point, but was Jimmy Walker really “a millionaire”??
    I mean, were NBA cats really making that kind of money in the late 60′s to mid 70′s?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jalen Rose and Grant Hill have the “Willie Lynch” Syndrome. They really need to get over it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jimmy

    What would the world be like if Allen Iverson had gone to Duke….

  • spursnation

    Net NBA titles of the Fab Five and Grant Hill-> 0. No one cares about the playground pickup game known as the NCAA. This is just a bunch of hasbeens afflicted with severe nostalgia of a time when they had some relevancy.

  • spursnation

    Oh and only go to Duke if you want to learn the non-NBA, boring way of playing basketball. I treat the NCAA as an internship (albeit with no pay) or a residency: it’s supposed to prepare you for the professional world (the NBA). Coach K could never coach in the NBA.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    context is a beautiful thing.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ignorant thoughts by Jalen in his youth. None-the-less GHill should realize that he doesn’t feel this way today…

  • Ben Ireland

    @Jimmy G
    You’ve posted the same thing about 30 times, no-one cares about your opinion, stfu.
    And Grant’s a class act. He didn’t go too far at all, Rose totally deserved that, even if it was for an opinion from years ago. It’s not like he insulted him personally, just pointed out that he never won anything. Hardly a critical insult. And Jalen didn’t carry his team to the Finals, whereas Grant was unreal good, until injuries.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    There is NO WAY Wilt Chamberlain could score a hundred points against Duke in today’s game. The players back then were soft, white, Uncle Toms.

  • RXAX

    Most all black folks hated duke, just like we hated the celtics – do the math…Btw the Fab Five book by mitch albom, tells quite a story about them cats. They were unapologetic at those times and wanted any and everybody to know it. Indiana Univ, MSU, Alan Henderson to name a few, got the duke/laettner/hill treatment. Look it up.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jalen went to HS in Plano, TX?! Jimmy Walker was a millionaire?

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    I wonder if Duke would take Jason “White Chocolate” Williams or Chris Anderson.
    Just saying.

  • Byebye

    Detroit Dave is right I wanna interview from the players of thar era and see how they felt we know shaq hated lattner cuz when they in college his soph an jun yr he was all in his face I want to know how the great players who went to college cause it wasn’t vouge to go straight from high school to the pros how they felt about the duke program
    Antoine Jamison Vince Carter Rasheed Wallace mj Shawn kemp big dog Robinson shaq Alonzo glen rice everybody I want a townhall meeting to really get this in the open I know everyone respects what coach k has done but how he overlooks certain players is shat needs to be addressed

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I cringe-laughed at Ugh’s joke…

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    Jalen admitted to the world that his youthful hatred of Grant Hill stemmed from jealousy. And Grant “Class Act” Hill, instead of appreciating the family nucleus (that far too many Black children lack) and the privileged upbringing (that most people don’t get) he had, takes a shot at Jalen Rose? smh

  • arthur

    I want to know what Scoop thinks!

  • Byebye

    Also coach k made kyrie it irving sit those games cause he was getting hype as possibly the no1 pick in the draft now that he might come back for the tournament I wanna see how coach k plays him
    Also coach k only seems to recruit players who are good but will stay all four yrs
    Look how he hurt most of his good players who couldve come out not get drafted where they were slotted the year before an they are out of the NBA real quick j Williams for example

  • http://jamison526@aol.com Jimmy G

    @Ben Ireland

    People DO care about my opinions, so you STFU. This column has the stupid waiting in moderation, so I post just in case if it doesn’t show up.
    In addition, Grant is not a class act, that mention of him winning college titles was a low blow, and you can just go suck one. Grant Hill didn’t have to take a shot at Jalen Rose in the letter, he can just let his game speak for itself. But he clearly crossed the line with his editorial.

    Like it or not, Jalen has been to an NBA Finals, regardless of what his role was, and he did so on the Indiana Pacers. You and your love of Duke University can just go STFU. Michigan fan for life! Peace!

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    This is an interesting story, and while the statement was in the context of a 17 year old young man who grew up in the situation that he was in… I’ve watched the clip of Jalen talking with Skip and I’m not entirely sure he doesn’t still feel the same way today. Just my perspective, though.

  • Michigan Mike

    After reading the letter, the only offense I would take is his mention of never having lost to the Fab Five. it is a slight, but unfortunately it is also true. I’m okay with old guys having beef with each other, even though it muddles the documentary with controversy. If Rose and Hill want to start a fight in the parking lot, take it outside somewhere, and put them in a boxing ring.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    LA Huey: He really didn’t say that dude. He said part of it was jealousy, but whenever he was asked if he still felt that way, he dodged around the question. Did you see his ESPN-post Grant Hill interview? It was iffy at best.

  • Chet

    Grant Hill is a still classy guy. This letter might’ve gone too far, but he spoke his mind in a different sort of light. He felt he had to protect Duke and himself, so naturally if a bitter rivalry must envelop, so be it.

    Jalen Rose is an honest person with brash opinions, which is good for the media. I like it that they aren’t friends with each other. It makes the NBA feel real and not all chummy.

    And I agree with you Michigan Mike and Dacre, that the doc could’ve been better. The ascent to the finals or the David vs. Goliath approach would’ve been far better, than the producers and director egging on the players for their preconceived opinions. But for better or worse, the film was made, and some less than classy remarks were made from the Fab Five about their emotions as teenagers. Competition and honesty are good virtues, but Grant Hill was valid in defending himself and his team.

    Also, Duke and Michigan will never like each other. They are opposites on each end of the spectrum, so Michigan will have to embrace this as part of their history, while Duke is viewed in a more favorable light by the media. What should be emphasized is Laettner’s classier response to the Fab Five. But neither Grant Hill, Rose, nor King should be at the center of the backlash from the film.

    On a different note, the NCAA Tournament officially starts tomorrow! So, that will be fun to see how far Duke and Michigan will go, especially with Kyrie Irving healthy. And as a Duke fan, Grant I have your back. You’re still a hall of famer in my books. Last time I checked, he’s still ranked in the top 60 on the Elo Rater of Basketball-Reference. He’s still a vital member of the Phoenix Suns. All he needs is an NBA title and he’ll officially one-up Jalen Rose. But Rose is still good for the media.

  • http://revanator3@aol.com Chet

    Hate waiting around for the comment modration thing, so here this goes…

    Grant Hill is a still classy guy. This letter might’ve gone too far, but he spoke his mind in a different sort of light. He felt he had to protect Duke and himself, so naturally if a bitter rivalry must envelop, so be it. Jalen Rose is an honest person with brash opinions, which is good for the media. I like it that they aren’t friends with each other. It makes the NBA feel real and not all chummy. And I agree with you Michigan Mike and Dacre, that the doc could’ve been better. The ascent to the finals or the David vs. Goliath approach would’ve been far better, than the producers and director egging on the players for their preconceived opinions. But for better or worse, the film was made, and some less than classy remarks were made from the Fab Five about their emotions as teenagers. Competition and honesty are good virtues, but Grant Hill was valid in defending himself and his team. Also, Duke and Michigan will never like each other. They are opposites on each end of the spectrum, so Michigan will have to embrace this as part of their history, while Duke is viewed in a more favorable light by the media. What should be emphasized is Laettner’s classier response to the Fab Five. But neither Grant Hill, Rose, nor King should be at the center of the backlash from the film. On a different note, the NCAA Tournament officially starts tomorrow! So, that will be fun to see how far Duke and Michigan will go, especially with Kyrie Irving healthy. And as a Duke fan, Grant I have your back. You’re still a hall of famer in my books. Last time I checked, he’s still ranked in the top 60 on the Elo Rater of Basketball-Reference. He’s still a vital member of the Phoenix Suns. All he needs is an NBA title and he’ll officially one-up Jalen Rose. But Rose is still good for the media.

  • Michigan Mike

    Hey guys,

    I just found this article from esteemed writer Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post Dispatch, which brilliant sums this piece nicely.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bryan-burwell/article_fe8b7a55-2a14-5eb6-a2d6-a139cffebd3b.html

    Kim English puts a nice touch on this subject. English and Burwell do a great job on the summation of Rose’s backstory prior to facing Duke.

  • Pugz

    Im a Suns fan and live in Phoenix but Grant was in the wrong for doing this. He should have just kept his mouth shut for real… they were just being honest trying to talk about their feelings AT THE TIME. I don’t think Grant can understand the past, but oh well, I thought he was classier than that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com X

    F*ck Duke…

  • http://www.slamonline.com X

    I hate Duke

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HzI2MRint8 X

    Can’t Stand Duke

  • Thegfunk

    Grant hill for the win? What? reacting to a teenage boys thoughts? Immature ones at that?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Grant is right. But is he? Jalen was young, but the truth hurts. Black males can never win. They even hate on each other. Who is the “Uncle-Tom”?

  • Ali

    Jalen said it, Grant commented back and people have their own opinions on the subject “Uncle Tom”. Depending on your up bringing, we all have our own opinion on the subject. Ask two black kids who grew up in two completely different households and I can guarantee they will have different opinions of the subject “Uncle Tom” lets move on fellaz….

  • Ben Ireland

    @JimmyG
    It was hardly a low blow, he didn’t insult his family or anything. And Duke have a great program… I’m not a fan, I’m a Carolina guy, but I wouldn’t say no to playing at Duke, would you?
    Simply put, would you rather be Grant Hill, still playing, being a massive star for a long time, or Jalen Rose… a Finals appearance and..?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/other-ballers/international/2010/03/flight-75-dc-to-moscow/ Mitya

    dammit, I missed it and can’t find it anywhere, that youtube link doesn’t work, anyone know another one?

  • http://www.anaheimroyalty.com Anaheim Royalty

    Grant Hill is gangsta and drinks sprite! If he wouldn’t have suffered all those injuries, he would have been great.

  • ClydeSays

    I have no problem with King & Rose calling out Duke on their recruiting methods, then or now. They’re on ESPN today and they credit the Uncle Tom statement to their 17 yr old selves, but their criticism of Duke remains.

    But are the Duke players at fault? How many recruits are going to take a stance and say “No thanks, I’d rather go to a D2 school instead of supporting your program.”?

  • K.a.

    Im preeeeeety sure grant hill understands the comment being retrospective. But i could see him speaking out if only to represent duke pride. Its totally justifiable, what does it say about duke guys if they take that stuff like that lying down? Nobody expects somebody to spew stuff like that even if its widely acknowledge n not produce a rebuttal. Im sure jalens all, touche grant, touche tho not in those exact words.

  • Clement

    Laettner is still a b**ch

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Burwell’s piece was cool.
    I surprised that so many people feel Jalen thought Grant was an Uncle Tom because he had two parents. I assumed he thought he was an Uncle Tom because he was acceptable to Duke.
    There is a serious difference.

  • el_larsen

    grant hill just lost my respect here.
    he has reponded in a uncle tom way(whatever it means)
    he went to duke and can’t understand how an 18 old years jalen rose could feel about duke?

  • el_larsen

    maybe grant is upset cos duke beat the fab five BUT they are the one WHO defined the era

  • baller4life

    First off, I have great respect for Jalen Rose for his sincerity and transparency throughout the Fab Five documentary. My first reaction to the documentary was that this is taking me back and this is some real ish. I’ve been a fan of Webber, Rose, King, Howard, and Jackson since I was a boy in baggy shorts & high-tops on the streets of NYC. I looked up to these guys growing up because they represented a mindset of the streets and knew what it was like to hustle and grind to survive without a father figure. Like Jalen Rose, what I used to think as a teenager has changed after growing up and learning to work for a living. The irony for all of us is that times have changed even though people’s opinions have not and Jalen Rose as a successful pro-athlete making good $$$$$ as a well-known Sports Analyst would think of his current self as ‘Uncle Tom.’ Accusations like this make hard working black Americans grind their teeth and clench our fists all around because any such accusation questions our identity and experience of life’s pains and agony. Wake up people! Everybody’s got hurts and regrets in life. Life is full of suffering… some choose to complain and some grind it out to survive. The term ‘Uncle Tom’ is an insult to the parents that have raised us, single moms, people who lost their fathers or mothers to war, etc. As Jalen Rose said, the Fab Five’s opinions are a case of the ‘Have’s vs. the ‘Have not’s. Jalen Rose and his family are now among the ‘Have’s because they have overcome as I hope my own family will continue to do.

    @Toronto
    “Grant Hill is probably writing this to all those people who hate Duke, not just the Fab Five, for their sweeping generalization that Black-American Duke players are Uncle Toms. Jalen and Jimmy’s comments just created the flashpoint, and he’s used this opportunity to clarify his position. Coach K is big on character, and recruits players that fit that bill. The most recent is Kyrie Irving, who everyone says is a classy, driven young man with a solid character. Say what you will about the university, but Grant Hill took exception to the view that he, and other African-American players (many of whom are now coaches, businessmen, analysts, or current players) are Uncle Toms, when, upon further investigation, is moronically mistaken for strong character and success. So yes…Grant Hill, like many here have said, didn’t really ‘get’ Jalen’s point. He was busy making his own damn good one.”
    Cosign… I endorse this statement. Just as

    Let’s play this thing out… Elton Brand, Dahntay Jones, Sean Dockery, Corey Maggete, John Dawkins are just some of Duke’s African-American athletes. I’m not sure this is so much about race or ‘black’ness as it is about economic circumstances. To relate to Jalen’s feelings of being raised in a single parent home… Duke’s Nolan Smith grew up many years cuz his NBA star father died when he was 8. Duke incoming freshman Quinn Cook went through high school without his Father (props to his mother.) Duke has historically recruited players like Kobe Bryant, Chris Webber, John Wall, Harrison Barnes, Derrick Rose, Rodney Purvis, etc. even if they ended up not going to Duke.

    Stereotypes go both ways people so get over it cuz you can’t put any person in a box without taking away from their life story, failures, and accomplishments. Some of us like (@MichiganMike, @JimmyG, @X, @BryanCrawford, @byebye etc.) need to grow up and stop instigating.
    Haters will always be haters…

    Shout out to @swalk, @BossTerry, @Tmoney, @JamOnIt, etc.
    for RealTalk.
    Don’t judge me until you’ve walked 2 moons in my shoes (moccasins)

  • PR_UM_Fan

    What Many people do not understand is Jalen was never talking about Families, he was talking about Society. Duke Recruits Players ONLY from Private Schools, Which requires Money. i think people are missing the point regarding this statement.

    I wonder if Grant hill’s dad was not an all-pro NFL player would he have been recruited to DUKE instead of somewhere like ie. Cincinatti? The Argument/ opinion was regarding the differences between selection of innercity and affluent black families. He has a good Point to name anyone from duke who grew up in the inner-city enviornment.

  • truthteller

    I think the reason why people hate Duke is a little deeper than what people including Grant Hill fail to realise. It has nothing to do with coming from a 2 parent family or going to a private school. MJ one of the most beloved atheletes in the world grew up in 2 parent middle class family. he also spoke properly and didn’t have any tatoos. How come he wasn’t hated?

  • truthteller

    The reason why Duke was and is still hated is the same reason why the Celtics were hated in the 1980s by most black folks.

  • el_larsen

    well i loved those celtics but still hate duke!
    no racial thing for me ,more about the money

  • baller4life

    You walked right into it…
    Haters will be haters no matter the race, socioeconomic class, education, posse.

    Jalen Rose, Grant Hill, Chris Webber, Michael Jordan, Juwuan Howard, each make more money than we may make working a 9-5 job.
    As President Obama has been hoping for and the great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. dreamed… change is happening. Look at todays Celtics! The stars of the Boston Celtic are almost all brothuhs… no matter what background they came from.
    Despite the Anglo-saxon stereotypes we may have had of the Celtics during the Bird vs. Johnson era, Celtics have a great Coach in Doc Rivers and have revived the professional careers of black athletes into Champions who are HOF bound.
    Duke’s program has changed over the years as well. Look at Duke’s incoming class:
    Austin Rivers, Quinn Cook, and Michael Gbinije for being black and going to a great D1 program?
    Just as I don’t criticize the Fab Five for comments and decisions they made as teenage youths, I don’t fault Duke recruits for comments and decisions they’re making today.

    People need to take responsibility for their hate and bitterness…. justsayin.

    Black/Brown/Bronze people need to stop hating each other and trying to discredit each other’s “street” credibility. RealTalk son.

  • sport j

    im from detroit and i understand j rose, we could not beat duke ,and they didnt advertise or promote there own black players.Grant went out and made a name for himself with highflying slams.Wen we drafted Hill i remember the hole city was confused because we disliked Grant Hill.Grant also felt like he never fit in with the Detroit city. Hence Orlando, but i can say Grant did play hard for the city and if he would of sign with us we would still b tryn to win a championship.

  • Lantern2814.5

    Ever occur to Jalen that it could also be coincidental that Duke got athletes from middle class families? It seems to me Duke recruits student-athletes, the one who could keep up with their academic program as well… maybe at the time the athletes Duke ends up with are the ones who came from middle-class, 2-parent families, but not really because of that… just being an 18-year old kid calling other opponents bithces shows how intelectual you are… if thats any indication, then I’m guessing Jalen was just recruited by Michigan for ballin’ and not for his stand out academics…

  • http://theresastatforthat.blogspot.com Deron

    Grant Hill overreacted, Jalen said how he felt at age 17. Nonetheless, Grant Hill owns Jalen Rose head to head.

    http://theresastatforthat.blogspot.com/2011/03/uncle-tom-whogrant-hill-owns-jalen-rose.html

  • Chet

    I would like to address a couple of things. I don’t mean to pile on, but just to speak my mind. One, Duke has always been a great, All-American institution that recruits a very good basketball team and citizens on and off the court of high character.

    The tradition that our school has won many games and championships time and time again possessing the likes of Grant Hill, Shane Battier, Elton Brand, Christian Laettner, Bobby Hurley, Corey Maggette, Jason Williams, Chris Carrawell, Kyrie Irving, Trajan Langdon, JJ Redick, Thomas Hill, and countless others mean a lot to us. No disrespect to Michigan fans, but to infer that Duke doesn’t recruit from the inner city is a bit of an insult. I understand that Jalen said what was on his mind at 18, but you can choose what to say or what not to say in the documentary without being as offensive. But I don’t take as much offense, because Michigan did not actually win in the Jalen Rose years.

    Duke also will recruit Austin Rivers, Marshall Plumlee, Quinn Cook, and Michael Gbinje. Cook grew up without a father, and had to struggle to make a living. Rivers and Plumlee will be dynamo freshman, and building a college team is about building a quality team as well as high character individuals. Rose’s ‘Uncle Tom’ insult, though made at that age, would be cause for Duke to not recruit him.

    In addition, Michigan Mike is not an instigator. He barely said anything that would remotely cause controversy. More than anything, he actually helped this conversation. He’s added to the conversation in mentioning the article from the Post Dispatch, as Bryan Burwell is a well-esteemed writer who writes from the neutral perspective. And second, the Ben Ireland/Jimmy G controversy needs to end.

    No matter how many ratings this 30 for 30 documentary may have obtained, it doesn’t change the fact that Duke is and will be a great college to attend academically and for basketball for years to come, and the ability to choose your words wisely count the most.

  • Michigan Mike

    I would like to state that I am not an instigator. I’m a proud family man who was born and raised in Ann Arbor, Michigan. I take back my earlier comments made about Grant Hill, as he has every right to be upset at Jalen Rose’s response. At first, I thought Rose stated that it was only what he felt at 18, but not now, but that might not seem to be the case. To see the ‘Fab Five’ hurl insults at Duke alleging that the black players there are ‘Uncle Toms’ or that they only recruit wealthy athletes is an upsetting allegation. And the fact that Rose committed a DUI recently, was just a boneheaded move. As a basketball fan though, we need to see the Duke-Michigan rivalry develop, as I will still support my basketball team. Players are too friendly with each other these days, and we need to see games like the Bad Boys’ Pistons team, Bulls-Knicks, Bulls-Pistons, Celtics-Lakers, Spurs-Suns, etc. It’s somewhat refreshing that Jalen and the Fab Five didn’t always like their opponents, it’s just maybe they did step over the line, and far over it. But I’ll still support my team, as there are a couple of solid players in Hardaway Jr., Darius Morris, Novak, and Morgan, so there’s hope that my team can continue its rise back to prominence.

    Games are more fun when there’s physicality, trash talking, intensity, and heated conversations on the court. It shows the passion among the players in playoff games. I think today’s players are starting to get too soft, and actually Duke’s players would be the ones who could actually dish out the trash talking, because they beat my team head to head more times than not. As fans, we may want to see more sportsmanship from our players. I think to some level, this discussion is overblown. At the end of the day, I’d just like to see a good basketball game.

  • http://jamison526@aol.com JimmyG

    The joke of it all is that we are sitting here, berating each other here for comments, while anyone remotely mentioned in the 30 for 30 doc will likely make far more money than any of us will ever make. It’s just two athletes who dislike each other. Clearly, there isn’t much a classism issue between Michigan and Duke anymore other than Duke is an elite basketball program that’s won many championship titles, with Grant Hill, Laetter, Hurley, with Shane Battier, etc. Michigan’s won one in 1989 with Glen Rice and crew. Opinions do matter and shape how we view teams, whether somewhat claims we “instigate” or not. No one had my back when Ben Ireland attacked me on this message board, and so the later comment was to address him, and him only.

    Baller4Life, clearly you need to get a life. Real talk, son. This discussion is only as relevant as we make it out to be, and really, it’s millionaires squabbling with each other. People will still go to Michigan, and people will still go to Duke. They are both quality academic institutions with sound athletic programs. It’s a blessing that players even get to play division I college basketball, and it’s something that less than .1% of us even get a chance to do.

    So yes, I do respect Duke. Are they a very good team that will be for years to come? Yes. But do I need to love them, just because they have been bad mouthed by Jalen Rose? No. I can choose who I want to root for, and I have the freedom to choose which teams to root for. That said, the underlying aspect of what made the Fab Five so intriguing is that they were so fun to watch when they played. It’s the aspect of five brash and supremely freshmen, who have yet to develop and mature as polished players, go up against the defending champions being Duke, as a 6 seed. Not saying it was David vs. Goliath, but it was more fun to root for Michigan given their exciting style of play, and especially when there has always been a couple of media blowhards who always picked the favorite to no end. At the end of the day, good players make it to the pros, and in college basketball, players will psyche themselves up no matter what to give themselves a competitive edge, whether if they have to demonize them mentally or what. It comes down to wins and losses, and players really just want to win.

  • Frank

    Jalen was wrong to suggest that Grant Hill’s childhood upbringing was anything less than authentic, as all of our experiences are real and indulging. Obviously, we’re not supposed to take his comments seriously since he was 18 when he felt this way of the world. At the same time, we’re allowed to smoke, vote, and die in the war at this age. And to mention he’s the producer of this documentary, so he could elect to choose his words more wisely and refrain from making controversial statements. To add to that, he committed a DUI around the same time the 30 for 30 documentary was made. Are we supposed to take him that seriously? The real opinion I would look to from Michigan, would be from Steve Fisher, Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, and alum Glen Rice, the real voices of reason, because the players have made at least one All-Star team. I was a fan of Jalen Rose’s game as a player, but I have little respect for him as a commentator on ESPN, as he continues to make puzzling statements and actions time and time again that leave one scratching their head. Bottom line, he needs to get his act together or the network he’s on will find a new replacement.

  • Chet

    Duke is a great school that has a wealth of tradition, and I frankly don’t care what Jalen stated in the documentary, because he has admitted that he was wrong. Duke has won many national championships, is an elite academic school, and possesses many college and NBA greats such as Grant Hill, Elton Brad, Corey Maggette, Shane Battier, Chris Carrawell, Jason Williams, Chris Duhon, Kyle Singler, Nolan Smith, Kyrie Irving, Bobby Hurley, and Christian Laettner. Not to mention that Austin Rivers, Michael Gbinje, Quinn Cook, and Marshall Plumlee will be the new recruits to our team, so our team does recruit inner city kids. Our team recruited Chris Webber, an inner city kid himself, so don’t act like Duke didn’t recruit inner city kids in his day.

    Also, Michigan Mike is not an instigator. He’s added to the conversation. That Burwell piece was from the Post Dispatch was a refreshing read. Bryan Burwell is an esteemed writer, and that article was a great read, as it was from a neutral opinion and perspective.

    But to be on point, Duke is and always will be a university with great prestige and tradition, and is a great academic and athletic institution. Grant Hill may have overreacted a bit, but was rightfully on point at the same time. Gotta give it to my man, Grant Hill, who is always a class act. Can’t say the same for Jalen, because he recently committed a DUI. For Jalen, he should just hide out, and move to NBATV, where he’d be free of controversy. He was clearly in the wrong for making preconceived notions of my school, but sometimes opponents will try to do anything to win. I’m excited for Duke next year, as if Irving stays, our team with Rivers, the Plumlees, Gbinje and Cook will be explosive, and should be back to title contenders. Peace and love

  • Michigan Mike

    While waiting around, hopefully this doesn’t post twice. That said, I must say….Thanks Chet, for your insight. I’m a proud, middle-aged family man myself, who went to school at the U of M. I was around to see the great play of the Fab Five, though they didn’t win any championships. But they were fun to watch. I retract my first statement earlier, as that was not me, and Grant Hill is a good citizen with honest feelings. It was just that the 30 for 30 doc wasn’t as great as I hoped it would be. Jalen was always the brashest player at Michigan, so I was concerned that this article woud be the result. If the documentary showed the Fab Five’s ascent to the title game as a 6 seed, or the recruiting process of what it took for Steve Fisher to get those kids to my school, that would’ve been nice. It’s a shame that all I remember from this now is the controversy that was created, and unneccessarily. Duke’s a great school, and should be well-respected. As a fan of Michigan though, I’d like for the rivalries to just be left on the basketball court, and ideally, to be kept away from the media.

  • Michigan Mike

    While waiting around, hopefully this doesn’t post twice. That said, I must say….Thanks Chet, for your insight. I was around to see the great play of the Fab Five, though they didn’t win any championships. But they were fun to watch. I retract my first statement earlier, as that was not me, and Grant Hill is a good citizen with honest feelings. It was just that the 30 for 30 doc wasn’t as great as I hoped it would be. Jalen was always the brashest player at Michigan, so I was concerned that this article woud be the result. If the documentary showed the Fab Five’s ascent to the title game as a 6 seed, or the recruiting process of what it took for Steve Fisher to get those kids to my school, that would’ve been nice. It’s a shame that all I remember from this now is the controversy that was created, and unneccessarily. Duke’s a great school, and should be well-respected. As a fan of Michigan though, I’d like for the rivalries to just be left on the basketball court, and ideally, to be kept away from the media.

  • hambone

    jalen dont drink and drive..you will spill your drank….

  • x47

    People need to be clear on things, Jalen and Co still sees coach K and Duke as a program that goes after the “best” athletes and seek out a specific type of player.

    They do and that is one reason that they are always in contention to win Championships year after year after year..

    Is that any different from society today? You have jobs only wanting people from a certain college, ethnic whatever because of certain things.

    People have taken tests to judge their mental make up and other things, there is a big difference in the mental make up in MOST single and 2 parent households in what type of things they understand and are able to understand. (notice I did say MOST)

    Duke recruits for the long run and may stray from time to time with the 1 year players but they try to keep things consistant.

    Jalen thinks like this still as alot of people hate Duke for no clear reason as they are the “enemies” of UNC, MJ. If you ask one person why they hate Duke they honestly couldnt say.

    “they think they are better than everyone”, umm wouldnt you want your program to think that and have a “swagga” to it? Do you think these McDonalds all americans don’t have a “swagga” about them to be who they are? Dont so many people love “Mamba” and yet everyone in the NBA will tell you he thinks he is better than everone else.

    People today have no clear reason as to why they hate Duke…It costs more money to go to UNC than Duke so which school is really the “uppity” school?? Wouldnt a uppity school charge so much more to kids so that only the “Richers” would go there?

  • baller4life

    @MichiganMike, @JimmyG, great reponse men! I was hoping y’all were still following this forum. For the record, I’m still a fan of the Fab 5 and root for The U of M Wolverines over Michigan State every time they play @MichiganMike. Kudos to you sir. Respect.
    Stand up and be a voice brothuh!

    @Chet & @Frank I hear ya.

    LoL low blow @Hambone

    Instigating is not always a bad thing if it leads to discussion. I definitely like the tone of the conversation even if people are taking shots at me. SMH. I just don’t like using the phrase “Uncle Tom” lightly. It’s disrespectful to the student-athletes and to their families (single parent or multi-parented)

    @BryanCrawford
    For the record here is Elton Brand’s response: http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2011/03/elton-brand-on-fab-5-documentary-the-tournament/

  • FirstBlackCanadianLadBrett1953

    And you folk wonder why Detroit,Chicago,Cleveland,Newark,Toronto,Montreal,Vancouver,
    Halifax and other U.S. and Canadian inner cities are dangerous crap-holes? It’s this
    “thug-life,” “keepin’ in real” (retarded,that is!!!),”black authenticity” code which forces a handsome,erudite,gentleman,scholar and GREAT athlete such as Grant Hill to
    apologize for not looking,behaving,dressing and speaking like a penny-ante ghetto
    punk,and EVEN MAKING HILL’S RELATIVELY PRIVILEGED BACKGROUND A QUESTION OF HIS TRUE BLACKNESS!!!I’m glad I’m 58-July 6-and grew up in an era in which achievement was still valued and not denigrated by mainstream black opinion!!!

  • Rayla N Johnny

    Booyah. And for the national championship no less Grant? Ouch fab5… Ouch…

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