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Monday, March 28th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  234 responses

Post Up: All Smiles

LeBron and friends lead Miami over Houston; Lakers keep rolling along.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Sacramento 114, Philadelphia 111

The Sixers are currently creeping upwards in the East—slowly heading toward the Hawks’ five spot—but the Kings put all that fun on hold for a night, defeating Philly in OT. Marcus Thornton’s (32 points) scoring run continued, and Samuel Dalembert (13 points, 19 boards) hit a pair of late free throws that sealed it up, as the Kings won their third straight on the road. Jrue Holiday led the 76ers with 28 points.

Atlanta 99, Cleveland 83

Meanwhile, the Hawks made sure to secure said Playoff positioning, cruising by Cleveland on the road. Marvin Williams led ATL with 31 (word?), while Baron Davis scored 19 for the lowly Cavs, who shot 36.8 percent from the floor and 25 percent from three. I’m hoping at least a few members of Cleveland’s scouting team skipped this one to check out Harrison Barnes and friends play over in Newark; that seems like it would’ve been a pretty wise move on their part.

Miami 125, Houston 119

The Rockets are fighting to keep their postseason hopes alive, but things ain’t looking too good, as they fell last night in a game in which the James-Wade-Bosh triumvirate combined for 92 points and 33 rebounds. Houston’s Scola-Martin-Lowry trio countered with 80 points, but it wasn’t enough, and the Rockets lost and ended a five-game winning streak. They now stand 2.5 games back of Memphis for that eighth spot.

Memphis 111, San Antonio 104

Speaking of (the segues are flowing today!), the Grizz grinded out a tough win in Memphis, knocking down a shorthanded Spurs squad that was assisted by George Hill and his 30 off-the-bench points. But late in the fourth, Zach Randolph (23 points, 11 boards) and his buddies were too much, and they held their ground after shooting a ridiculously efficient 54.5 percent from the field. Any chance a Rudy Gay-less Grizzlies team can make some noise in the Playoffs?

Boston 85, Minnesota 82

The Celts are already in rest-up mode, and were without point man Rajon Rondo (finger), but they still fended off the TWolves on the road after giving away a 25-point lead. Paul Pierce (23 points) and Kevin Garnett (13 and 13) stepped up late, and Boston nabbed the victory, its first in three games. Michael Beasley dropped 28 for the Wolves, who look like they’ll probably be without rebounding machine Kevin Love for the rest of the season.

Oklahoma City 99, Portland 90

OKC just keeps gaining momentum, defeating the Blazers despite a game-high 40 points from Gerald Wallace. Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant combined for 49, while Serge Ibaka put in 18 and grabbed 8 in the W.

Golden State 114, Washington 104

Monta Ellis put on a scoring clinic in this one, dropping 37 and dishing 13 in the win over the consistently homesick Washington Wizards. JaVale McGee continued to show his worth as one of the League’s most unharnessed young talents by scoring 28, snatching 18 and swatting 5.

Dallas 91, Phoenix 83

The Suns are trying to maintain some chance of a postseason push, but this loss won’t help, as the Mavs took them down after Jason Kidd nailed a couple late threes that wrapped things up. Marcin Gortat and Jared Dudley each scored a game-high of 20 for Phoenix; big man Tyson Chandler went for 16 and 18 for the Mavs.

L.A. Lakers 102, New Orleans 84

The Hornets probably won’t stop radiating depressing feelings for the next eight or so weeks, as they slowly trudge on toward their impending David West-less Playoff death. L.A. rolled through them last night, receiving 30 from Kobe Bryant and a 23-and-16 effort from Pau Gasol. The win marks seven straight for the Lake Show.

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  • MUBWAR

    92 points 33 rebounds and 15 dimes. Money well spent for Micky Arison. L.A. is getting hot at the right time. Still don’t like their chances against a healthy Spurs team

  • http://slamonline.com big_ticket

    first

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Is it the real season yet?

  • T-Money

    man the lopez twins are so disappointing, especially brok. i don’t know wtf happen, i was ready to call him the second best center in the league then he stopped rebounding for no valid reason and started chucking up 18-footers. i guess the first red flag was when vince said after he got traded that brook wanted to be tallest 4-man in the league. smh. and robin is just not bringing it.

  • T-Money

    games like yesterday are why miami is a contender no matter what happens in the reg season. these guys can go supernova at any given time. their rebounding in the playoffs is going to be scary, these 3 will clean up the defensive glass.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T-Money….not sure if you’ve forgotten, but the Heat’s season ended when they lost 5 games in a row.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    SORRY LA, BOSTON, MIAMI, SAN ANTONIO, DALLAS, ORLANDO. Thunder vs Bulls in the ships…make it happen basketball gods.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    At the risk of starting a debate…what are the odds that Kobe wins his 2nd MVP this season? To this point in the season, I think Rose deserves it…but, it doesn’t always go to the guy that deserves it. If the Lakers continue to roll and Kobe’s production stays approximately where it has been of late…can Mamba steal it from The Horns?

  • MUBWAR

    looooooooooool at Eboy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jumpman3224, I’d say the odds are 5%. The media loves Drose and like you said he deserves it, and 2 days ago he just had an MVP performance to the fullest with a 30pt, 17 ast, comeback win with all the clutch baskets included.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If Kobe wins the MVP this season..he should retire due to embarrassment.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Unless the Bulls lose the rest of their regular season games, he’s not losing the award.

  • bull22

    kobe wont win the MVP, so no need to worry about it. only way that would have happened if they had won 70 games like so many stupidly predicted for the lakers or heat this season, LOL!

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Wait, the Heat aren’t going to win 70+ games this season. I bet LeBron is going to be mad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @Jahmai – You’re right. Rose has done everything to deserve it. But, as this award is notoriously ambiguous and both NBA.com and ESPN have Kobe as 3rd (behind Rose and Howard)it’s hard to say he is out of it especially with this rare roll that LA is on.

  • T-Money

    i was watching the cuse-kansas title game the other night, where did that carmelo go? the melo that would hustle on defense, zip passes to teammates all over the floor, score quickly and WITHIN the flow of the game. made me hate even more this melo jabbing 25 times from the mid post before launching a one dribble pull up while everyone is watching.

  • T-Money

    nicolas fleming: if his goal was to win 70+ games, his best best would have been to stay with cleveland, no?

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @T-Money: That Melo was the man, he must’ve left him on campus.

  • Ali

    jumpman3224…rare? Lakers started the season something like 13-2, and had been know to go on teen winning streaks. Had few rough spots during the season this year but over all have been pretty steady. Rose deserves the MVP handsdown, especially if they hold on the #1 seed. In my opinion it’s been about 4-5 years ago since KB and Lakeshow fans thought about the MVP seriously. Nasty Nash stole one from KB, the other one he deserved outright!

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @Ali: Fair enough. Again, I agree it’s Rose. I just wanted to see what other commenters thought of the possibility. To clarify, I meant rare regarding the 15-1 stretch since the All-Star break. That has only happened 5 times ever (2011 LAL, 2000 LAL, 1998 UTAH, 1991 CHI, 1990 DET).

  • Byebye

    Bosh saved the season when he demanded the ball
    We laughed but he’s been dead serious

  • Ali

    @jumpman3224…Word up! Preciate’ the stat line…

  • MUBWAR

    Bosh did save the season for the Heat. After watching the Heat play there 50 first games, it was all about wade and bron with the exception of a few nights where Bosh led the team. If Bosh keeps this aggressiveness in the post season, we will all have the dream match up of King James vs the black Mamba at the Finals

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    How about if the Heat’s bench can make a steady contribution throughout the playoffs? House/Miller/House have to find consistency. Haslem may or may not be a contributor. The centers off the bench just need to stay out of the way. Mario Chalmers needs to adjust to coming back OFF the bench. There’s still a lot they need to accomplish. Then we can talk about the possibility of making a title run.

  • JTaylor21

    I rather have Chalmers starting than Bibby due to bib’s lack of defense and him adding much needing scoring off the bench.
    Last night Mike oops I mean Kyle Lowry abused him to the tune of 25/9/7. With chalmers in the starting unit it gives them a better defensive presence vs elite PG.
    Mia problem is the lack of consistent scoring from their bench, so having Bibby on the second unit should help in that area.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Their offense flows much better with Bibby in the starting lineup. Starting 1st quarters scoring 18 points against solid D teams like the Bulls and Celts ain’t going to cut it in the playoffs. That was their trend a month ago. That has ceased to be a problem. Kyle Lowry is a wide bodied monster. It’s hard to find fault in the effort because the kid is just good.

  • JTaylor21

    All I’m saying is that if Kyle Lowry; a good not great player abuses him, just imagine what DRose, Rondo and other elite PGs would do.
    With Bron and Wade out there, offense shouldn’t be a problem and you have to remember that the trend of scoring 18pts in the 1st qtr was before Bosh became aggressive and demanded the ball more.
    Their offense being better the last few weeks has less to do with Bibby and more to do with Bron/Wade being in sync with each other and Bosh stepping his game up.
    Their bench is still sucking and having Bibby coming off the bench helps.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    We’ll disagree today…..but you’ll say I was right sometime in May as they stay with Bibby with the starters.

  • T-Money

    i’m expecting the bench to be: miller/haslem/chalmers/big z. anthony will not be needed when haslem comes back because you could just haslem-bosh against quicker bigs. jones will probably battle chalmers for PT. crunch time line up will be big 3 + bibby (cold blooded) + miller/haslem/damp (depending on match ups).

  • T-Money

    bibby is starting from here on out. that’s not even up for discussion. spo was dropping hints that he was ready to make the switch even before rio got hurt. rio has to worry about proving that the team needs a back-up pg or else his minutes will go to james jones or even eddie house.

  • JTaylor21

    Okay maybe you’re right but who checks Rondo and Rose when they met in the playoffs? You must agree with me that Wade must be the one guarding elite PGs with Bibby in the starting lineup.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Wade doesn’t want to chase Allen anyway against the Celts…..I think he’d be fine sticking Rondo like Kobe does (leaving him open on the perimeter and just playing his drive). As far as meeting the Bulls, siphon rose into the lane….he’s their only threat (albeit a great one) to collapse the D. You might be able to get away with Bibby on Bogans for a few minutes late and let Dwyane stick Rose. I’ll take my chances that Dwyane will do what needs to be done to keep up with Derrick when the money’s on the line.

  • MLK4Life

    The big 3 all needed 30 plus to beat the Rockets? Not good. They won’t be able to beat the Bulls or Celtics playing that way. LeBron and Wade can’t both average 30 against those teams. They’re too good defensively.

  • T-Money

    MLK: because of course, miami’s gameplan was for those 3 to all get 30+. after all, as you’ve pointed out, there’s no other way they can win against elite teams.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think if Miami and Chicago meet in the playoffs that it comes down to 3pt shooting and rebounding.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It’s amazing to think that people still think that 2 of the 3 best players in the league shouldn’t be putting up big numbers and their third option (a former franchise player, shouldn’t be putting up close to 20 a game. It’s criminal to get the most out of star players? So, if averages of 26, 26 and 19 are something other teams laugh at, then laugh…it’s on those people to feel moronic as they quiet critics going forward.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    if thats the case NBK, i take the bulls. i know bibby and mike miller are supposedly great 3 point shooters and i haven’t seen james jones being as effective as he was earlier. but i think we can agree they’d get killed on the boards. the bulls do have korver, plus deng and rose have improved their 3pt shot. and surprisingly, bogans has shot it well from deep lately as well.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’ll take the Heat. Wade, Lebron and Bibby can all hit threes at a similar rate as Rose and Bogans and Deng. Korver is the only real threat from their bench. The Heat have 4 guys (House,Miller,Chalmers and Jones) that can all hit from the Heat’s bench. That part of the gameplan shouldn’t even be a question. Rebounding is a more even matchup…and it’s going to be on Bosh and Dampier to keep up with Boozer and Noah when the starters are in to guage the Heat’s effectivness.

  • ThaWindy

    The Heat problem is with their bench and the fact their identity is the big 3. Thats just a catch 22. Until the bench can put up I cant see them going far. Boston f’ed up when they traded Perkins(like if the Bulls traded Noah). Still dont understand that. I like the Bulls bench against the C’s and Heat. I think that gives us the edge. Thats why the Bulls stand the best chance to make it to the Finals. They have the better overall team AND….DRose Younest MVP in NBA History..DRose Youngest Finals MVP

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Miami – Chicago would be a hellavu series, and it’s so tough for me to predict it. I love the Bulls but the Heat have Bron and Wade and it looks like they’re getting better and better playing with eachother. Wade’s a great defender and maybe he can prevent Rose from going bananas but honestly when they playoffs start Drose will step his game up and I don’t think anybody will be stopping the onslaught in the East. Without Kendrick for the C’s, Rose can make a living in the lane and the Heat don’t have much of an inside presence to stop Rose from getting buckets. Honestly, as a Bulls fan, I’m more afraid of the Magic, because Drose has shown he doesn’t like to drive to the rim all that much with Howard protecting the rim. He already caused 2 minor rose injuries before. I just hope he gets over that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    well Airs considering Miami is 7th in rebounding (Chicago is 1st) I wouldn’t just assume that but I would definitely give the edge to Chicago. Also Miami has 4 guys that are known for their ability to shoot, Chicago has 1.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Statistically, the teams are about even as 3 point shooters. Miami have the slight edge. Chicago have an edge rebounding, at less than 2 a game.
    We don’t know if Miami and Chicago will even face each other in the play-offs.
    The play-off races that are going on RIGHT NOW in both Conferences are more than enough fodder for debate. Can LA catch the Spurs? Where will Chi/Bos/Mia finish?

  • T-Money

    this is going to shock a lot of people who don’t fully grasp the concept of non-bigs grabbing boards but miami is the best defensive rebounding team in the nba.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *This is becoming a trend* It’s amazing to think that Chicago fans think that only Derrick Rose will be raising his level of play in the playoffs and be “unstoppable”. Not Kobe Bryant. Not Lebron James. Not Dwyane Wade. Not Paul Pierce. All guys that have done it before, and with the exception of Lebron, have won a Finals MVP and titles. Please stop talking nonsense, it drags the conversation down to nothing.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Since when did Rose play impact a game more than Wade and Bron combined? In most facets the teams are even, so relying on Rose to out duel both those guys to win the series is interesting.
    Enigmatic, I know the Bulls have beat the Heat 3 times, but two of those need asterisks, Bron/Wade not playing, then Bosh shooting 1-18.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    it’ll be a very close match up thats for sure. but i just gotta believe the bulls have the defensive edge and that will be the determining factor.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    AllBall, I don’t think the Lakers will catch the Spurs. I think that it’s going to be a psychological blow too. They’ve played excepti onally well and probably feel they will get it done after basically running the table for a month and a half . I see the Spurs winning the conference with about 2 games to spare. The Lakers are exerting a ton of late-season energy (which is odd for them) and it may bite them in the a*s. I actually believe this, instead of thinking it as a hater.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think LA is just gearing up. I said this right around the All Star Break when everyone was saying things like “Lakers are done” “Should/Should’ve traded Bynum for Melo” – I said they would go on a huge run to end the season, and look at that. If Manu and TD take till the end of the season to get back its possible LA catches them, but I doubt it happens. Either way, San Antonio is in trouble from day 1 of the playoffs, they are not at all the team they have everyone thinking they are.

  • ThaWindy

    @Eboy:
    Are you sure about the Bulls bench??
    You forgot about C.J Watson, who plays good D and is a scorer, he maybe a sg. AND Brewers D and high energy plays. AND Gibson who can hit a 15ft jumper which widen those lanes AND he can get boards and block shots. Not to mentiom that ALL these guys are committed to Playing D. If that doesnt do it for you…I’ll take Thibs coaching over Spos any day. Which is the main reson why I dont think the Heat has it…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    *not “everyone” – a lot of people. The usuals, the intelligent non-hater ones never said the Lakers were done. Just those who panic quickly, or hate strongly. Or don’t understand.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    whoa okay the asterisk talk needs to stop. i don’t think we can make those kinds of excuses. maybe ONE with bron not playing,maybe. but that 1-18 thing was all about defense and bosh sucking, which may damn well happen again. and again.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Airs your crazy if you think Bosh is ever gonna have a 1-18 night ever again. Especially considering Carlos Boozer (Chicago’s worst individual defender) was the person guarding him. (who Bosh DOMINATED/DOMINATES every other time they play) And you obviously didn’t watch the game if you think the defense is the reason he missed 12 wide open jump shots.

  • MLK4Life

    So when the playoffs start, all of a sudden the Heat’s below average role players are going to start hitting shots? Haslem’s going to come back from being out all season and be just like he was before he got hurt? Folks, all we can go by is what we’ve seen this season. Rose has outdueled the Heat three times this season (once without LeBron). People are on the Heat bandwagon real heavy. I’d take Kobe and Rose over Wade and LeBron any day. Lakers-Bulls in the Finals would not surprise me at all.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    okay, i didn’t mean to say that he’d go 1-18 again. what i meant to say was i don’t think he’s outside of having a horrible shooting night again.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Guys have to learn how to read. I was speaking about three point shooting from the bench’s of the two teams, not analyzing each teams strengths and weaknesses.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “I’d take Kobe and Rose over Wade and LeBron any day.” Stupidest thing written on SlamOnline in the month of March. Congrats.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    MLK – There is an inherent flaw in saying I’ll take Rose and Kobe “anyday” – They aren’t on the same team. Advantage, Wade & LeBron.

    Analogy time: If you are playing someone better then you at something, wouldn’t you want less opportunity for them to prove it? Like say play them in a sudden death competition then the best of 7? Same concept applies to the playoffs, and playing a team that is better at the actual sport then you. Chicago might look a lot better in the playoffs, but its quite a bit different when you see the same team for 2 weeks straight.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Chicago might look a lot better in the *regular season*

  • ThaWindy

    Ur right Eboy..my bad..

  • T-Money

    I draw a lot of parallels between this Chicago team and past Cleveland teams: one do-it-all superstar who’s expected to score AND make others score, a defensive-minded coach, great role players, an outstanding regular season, probably a COY and MVP. Yet, I can’t shake off the feeling that, like the Cavs, the Bulls are going to have trouble scoring late in games in the playoffs when teams double Rose and one or two guys have to step up with consistent buckets. I don’t know who those guys are for Chicago.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m not sure….but it also seems WAY to premature to be not speaking about the Celts in this conversation and I think if Orlando plays at their maximum level, they’re capable of upsetting any of the top three (though unlikely).

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @nbk – and what exactly are you using to say that the Heat are the better team? You do know that basketball is a team sport and not just who has the best 2 players right?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @t-money – the bulls didn’t have a problem scoring when the Heat double teamed Rose and Deng hit a three to win the game.

  • T-Money

    I mean, in the last 2-3 mins, teams are going to send two defenders at D-Rose as soon as he crosses halfcourt. Will Booz and Deng be able to deliver the goods? À suivre… (and this is not a knee-jerk reaction, I’ve been extra consistent with my views on Chicago’s roster throughout the season, out of all the contenders, I think they are the team who suffers the most severe drop-off between their best and second best player).

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    We waste so much time on here talking about Bulls vs Heat and all for nothing. Heat are not getting past the Celtics. Bulls and Heat aren’t going to play each other. Even though according to nbk, every other team in the league better hope they don’t have to play the Heat 7 times.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Boozer is better than anyone that was on those Cavs teams. Add in Deng and Noah, with Gibson on the bench, and this Bulls team is so much better. And they are killers on the glass and on defense.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    t-money – did you watch the Bulls latest two games? They were down late in both and outscored their opponents in the final few minutes. Do you think teams weren’t doubling Rose then?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like how Bulls fans (like Knicks fans) use 1 game in a season as their measuring stick to the barometer of their future success. Good luck with that. I’m not saying any team is better than another either, but the Bulls are the targeted team from here out. The Heat have been that all season. Nothing will phase them. No raucous road crowd, no hard fouls. They’ve been dealing with that sh*t every game this season. Intangibles are on their side. Believe what you want to believe.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    In regards to our previous conversation about talent versus skill in the NBA. The words of Hakeem Olajuwon in SLAM:
    They don’t know that it’s down to a science. Basketball is a science when you get to the NBA level. It becomes about space management, maneuvers, height management, angles and space. You have to always be one step ahead of the opponent. For example, the baseline comes down to how much space you have to work with. Space management. I taught Dwight how to maneuver and to use and create space.
    My favorite player of all-time.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel – do I really have to explain the advantage of having just the best player in a playoff series? Let alone the best 2 players, and the 4th best player in a single series? After Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah, Luol Deng the Bulls and Heat are role players. Miami has 2 guys better then every player on Chicago, and 1 guy better then everyone but Rose. There are only 5 guys on the court at a time for each team, have 3 of the top 4 players at all times is a HUGE advantage. Basketball is the ONLY team sport that can be dominated by 1 player, I am not saying the best player always wins, but it happens the vast majority of the time. But like I said if you would have read all of my comments, I think the Bulls Heat series if it happens comes down to 3pt shooting and rebounding. After this season though, Miami should win just about every title until LeBron or Wade digress physically, not saying they will, but they should.

  • T-Money

    oh, i’m not saying the bulls don’t have more talent than those cleveland teams. but they’re a very average offensive team (20th in scoring) and that leads me to believe that they’re going to struggle getting buckets at the end of games in the playoffs. we know that they are going to run 1-4 flat for rose with a high screen every time down the floor. as cleveland showed us the past few years, good teams adjust to that in a 7-game series. with a strong double team right away, deng (or booz) will not only have to knock down the shot, they’ll have to create it too.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    nbk – When NY plays most teams they have the three best players on the floor. How’s that been working out for them? How did it work out for the Lakers to have the 2 best players on the court when Detroit won the chip? I’ll say it again: basketball is a team sport, so its more about which team is playing better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m still curious to see how two guys who have never won a playoff series play their cards when they have a decided advantage against an opponent. Also, everyone touts Thibs for his role on the Celts bench….and for everyone insult I lob Spo’s way…he was one of the main assistants on Riles title team in ’06, so he’s been in that unique position too.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Time to stop mentioning that House and Miller are good three point threats until they can start hitting three point shots this season. Y’know?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So your gonna use Detroit in 06 as your proof? Why not look at EVERY OTHER SEASON IN NBA HISTORY? NYK has a bunch of FAKE superstars. Melo and Stoudemire play half the sport, HALF. If you thought NYK was going to be good then that’s all I needed to know.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Bulls always had the best two players on the court with Michael and Scottie in their title runs. How’d that work out for them?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    oh and, if bosh continues to play the 5, it’ll be noah not boozer D-ing him up

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Not comparing Dwyane and Lebron to Mike and Scottie, but you used an inaccurate example.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    the best, for sure. the 2 best, debatable.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    and cosign @jukai

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    As of right now, I’m still giving a slight edge to the Bulls against the Heat. The Bulls love to pack it in and I’m not convinced that the Heat have the three point shooting… likewise, the Heat have trouble off shots on quick switches, and that’s Roses entire gameplan.
    Lebron and Wade will have to have four great games. And that’s certainly a well off possibility, but if I had a gun to my head and had to pick a team, it’s still the bulls

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Tell me who was better than Scottie Pippen on any of the Bulls title team’s counterparts. from the Lakers? The Blazers? The Suns? The Sonics? The Jazz? The Sonics may be the only team who’s second best player was just as good if not better than Scottie (not sure if it was Kemp or Payton)…and John Stockton was probably equal, but definitely not better than Scottie in those two Jazz/Bulls Finals.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I didn’t use an inaccurate example – I provided an example to prove nbk’s theory wrong. Who had the best players when the Lakers and Celtics split the championship 2 seasons in a row? Did one team all of a sudden have better players? Its about team play. What you forgot to mention in your example Eboy was that MJ was #1 and Scottie was the ultimate TEAM player and willingly played the #2. Wade and LBJ still both want to be #1 and haven’t decided who will be that #1 come crunch time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, from ’92 to ’97, Scottie was the second best swingman in the league, and in every Finals and playoffs series EXCEPT for when they played Orlando and Utah, he was the second best player on the court.
    Also, if Boozer is tasked with guarding Haslem, that will probably negate Chicago’s current rebounding advantage. Haslem will work hard on the glass, and defend Boozer. While Noah is great defensively, I still like Bosh pulling him away from the basket, which opens driving lanes for Bron and Wade. I would imagine Chicago wants Noah to protect the rim as part of their defensive strategy, so it’s going to be interesting to see how they handle Bosh and Haslem both hitting jumpers. (That’s if Haslem comes back at all from his injury.)
    Anyway, y’all are arguing like you have a crystal ball. Nobody knows what’s going to happen which is why they play the games. I’m just excited that the playoffs are going to be even better this year in both conferences.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Also, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Rose>Wade

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Eboy: Worthy?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    First championship, the Lakers didn’t have Bynum and Pau played like a punk. Odom too.
    Second championship, KG was on one leg.
    I think NBK’s point that having the best player gives you an advantage is a good one, but you’re right that how you play as a team is most important.
    Remember when Cleveland lost to Orlando? Clearly the Cavs had the best player, LeBron was in beast mode the entire series, but Orlando played better as a team.
    Then again, Detroit had the better team in 2007 and they still lost to the Cavs when the only decent player was LeBron.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @ T-Money 2:22, I’ve been saying the same thing for a few weeks now, this Bulls team kinda reminds me of the Cavs of the past 2 years…
    But I hope I’m wrong though…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    James Worthy was injuted in that series, Juks.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I said the vast majority of the time the team with the best player wins. Is there gonna be times that doesn’t happen? duh, that’s why they play the games. And Cleveland with LeBron, that team wasn’t even playoff worthy, and they fooled the majority of people into thinking they were a championship contender, because of 1 player. So yes, its not a law, or rule that the best player always wins, there is obviously more to it. But when two teams that are close in talent play each other in a series, the team with the best player will win the majority of the time. You can argue for why Chicago will beat Miami, or how you’ve drinking so much Derrick Rose moonshine this season that your under the impression that he’s better then Dwyane Wade when nothing, literally nothing, gives evidence to that being true. Nothing. And that lack of logic is why I don’t really care how you feel about who will win, your hometown bias is too heavy to lift.

  • ThaWindy

    The Bulls remind me of that Detroit Piston team that ran off two striaght WITH NO SUPERSTARS! The Bulls have the COACHING and the players to get the job done. Players that KNOW their roles. Not trying to see where they fit in. Their chemistry getting better each day. The LOVE for each other is there(no homo). Media hype puts everything on Rose. Thats why their NO.1 in the East. Becuz of the TEAM. Like Rose said how many time has he not come through but Deng, Gibson, Korver, Watson stepped up…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    that argument that the best player > better team can be arugued every year. how about when lebron lost, who was better than him on the spurs? or spurs vs kobe/shaq. i dunno, i would rather look at the team’s performance as a whole.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tim Duncan

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ThaWindy
    So, you’re saying you don’t consider Isiah Thomas a superstar?
    Hmmm…
    Oh, and Joe Dumars was better than everyone on the current Bulls team not named Carlos Boozer, and he haven’t even discussed Aguirre, Vinnie Johnson, John Salley, James Edwards, Evil Bill or Rick Mahorn. The overall talent level on that Pistons team was so far above what the Bulls currently have, it’s not even funny.
    That Pistons team was in the hunt for a champion ship for like four or five years.
    They missed going to the Finals off Isiah’s turnover to Bird, then when they got there the next year, Isiah turns and ankle, but can’t gut them to victory. The next two years they win a ring, then get old and lazy.
    The Bulls are very good, but they are nothing like that Pistons team. Nothing at all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Robot.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Wins nbk – Wins is what measurement I’m using. Not everything needs to be a statistical breakdown. Sometimes watching games helps too. But I’m done arguing Heat vs Bulls. You will not see another comment from me discussing that topic unless they actually play each other in the playoffs. Have at the comments folks, I’m out of here.

  • ThaWindy

    Yall keep insulting the man Rose. Wade does NOT WANT TO GUARD ROSE. Thats why in game 2 LBJ tried. “Imma guard Rose tonite” okay just try!Didnt work well for that guy either. Play of the game in chicago both LBJ and WADE on D…Rose blast pass LBJ kicks to DENG for a 3(like Mike to Paxson) to ice the game!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose is better then Dwyane Wade because of Wins? Well so is Keith Bogans. And Joakim Noah is better then Dwight too right? what’a crock

  • ThaWindy

    @Allenp
    Billups, Prince, BWallace, RWallce, RIP…

  • T-Money

    jukai, you’re saying that bron and wade will need 4 great games like chicago has even a remote chance of winning a game past the 1st round when d-rose is off… / for the 3-point shooting, are we forgetting that bibby is hitting 44% from downtown this year (48 since joining Miami!) and he’ll be on the floor in crunch time + he has hit a sh-tload of big shots?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Don’t play stupid nbk. or maybe you’re not playing. From your comments I can’t tell. Rose is the reason for those wins. Not Bogans.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sorry, my comment should have said “not named Derrick Rose.” Dumars was better than Boozer in my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel – Wade has a ring. Rose has never won a playoff series. Those are the only “wins” that matter. Regular season wins? lmao, LeBron James got more “wins” then Derrick Rose on a worse team for 3? straight years. go to sleep with that stupid a** theory.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bron played very good defense on Rose in that game.
    Wade was the one who played piss poor defense, and he was the one who totally misplayed that last shot. Bron was on Rose’s hip, had had the size, and he had help behind him. Wade digs way, way to deep on the dribble drive giving unnecessary help, then is crazy slow to recover back to Deng. That was on him completely, not on Rose “blowing” past LeBron.
    If you’re certain about who will win a Heat vs. Bulls series, or Heat vs Celtics, or Celtics vs. Bulls, then I can’t trust you.
    Neither of those three teams looks incredibly better than the other two right now. Chicago has the best record, but that’s it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And the Bulls are winning because of Tom Thibedeau. Rose is their offense, Thibedeau should get the rest of the credit. Its actually ridiculous that more credit is going to Rose then Coach Thibs, ridiculous.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    nbk – Robert Horry has more rings than Wade too. Is he better than Wade? Stop living in the past. Players get old and others get better. I know its hard for you to comprehend because I’m not stating it in statistical format.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @ Allenp 2:33, THAT NAIJAH WAS GREAT!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Diesel, come on now. Rounded up Wade is averaging 26,7,4, with a steal and a block a game. On 50% shooting.
    Rose is at 25,8,4 with barely a steal a game on 44%. Yes, the Bulls are winning, and I’m not dealing in hypothetical with the “what if so and so played on so and so”, but Wade is not a former star. Wade is still a superstar. Chicago’s team wins because they are great at rebounding, and defence.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And to think, I thought that everyone handed the crown to Durant too early….

  • T-Money

    also, d-rose is shooting 40% since the all-star break. chicago is winning because of defense. bron? 57.

  • izzo

    Quoth Allenp:”Anyway, y’all are arguing like you have a crystal ball. Nobody knows what’s going to happen which is why they play the games. I’m just excited that the playoffs are going to be even better this year in both conferences”.
    -
    Just enjoy it, assh*les.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    AllBall – so basically exactly the same stats except Rose is shooting 6% less efficient. Wade has the benefit of playing with the best player in the league, who draws a lot of attention. Rose gets double and tripple teamed, so I’m not going to put as much emphasis on %. Plus, what gets lost in Wade’s numbers is that a lot of those points are free throws. He goes to the line more than most players in the league because he’s CONSTANTLY working the refs.

  • ThaWindy

    @Allenp:
    Well what I saw was Wade having to help becuz if he didnt Rose would have a lay up.
    Becuz LBJ got beat off the dribble. If LBJ D was better, why didnt he guard him in Miami? I’ll tell you why, becuz it dont matter which one tries to guard him they get the same results an L.

    Rose not afraid of them dudes. If anything they have more respect for Rose becuase he hold his own. And he has done something they didnt do and that is become the youngest MVP in NBA History with 20 plus game left!!(now 10 games left)

  • Brothaman

    Wow, I thought wade was going to the line much more than other players cuz he was attacking the rim much more than other players……

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m convinced that this group of Bulls fans commenting today all live and share a computer in a mental health unit.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hey diesel, how bout you find a statistic I’ve used today? How bout you stop using unrelated BS wannabe insults to make your point? You obviously don’t know how to use your brain properly when talking about anything related to Chicago. Wade is better then Rose at everything, I didn’t say Wade is better because he has a ring, its your intelligence tardy brain that said “rose is better because of winning” – you are the one that brought that up not me. I said Wade is better at everything because he is, proof is in the pudding. You don’t even have to use stats to figure it out, if its about winning you can go on success as a rookie (wade won a playoff series, Rose didn’t), success as a player (wade has a championship, rose hasn’t wona a series), you can go by individual accomplishments (do we really have to name them?), stats (i don’t want to go there, because they are to factual for you to consider, you just get angry at me, like I made them up, or that they actually tell more about anything then your obviously useless opinion), or on experience, no matter how you look at it, Rose is inferior to Wade. Not saying that will last, but no matter what, with the use of reason, its completely obvious.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Brothaman – no its not. Lots of players attack the rim. Few spend as much time punching the basket support and yelling at the refs like Wade does. If you don’t think Wade gets favorable calls then I can’t help you. Is he doing something Rose isn’t doing? Are you saying Wade attacks the rim 2 times more than rose so that’s why he gets double the foul calls? Please.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Wade is stronger, more ready to take contact and sells /contact fouls better than Rose does. Not saying Rose won’t get better at it, but Dwyane draws fouls better than Rose today. That’s a fact.

  • Brothaman

    Diesel- good point about the twice as many free throws as rose thing. But do you think that’s a function of anything wade is doing, or the ref’s own bias? As a matter fact, wouldn’t you be more inclined NOT to blow the whistle if someone’s constantly yelling in your face and complaining about non-existent foul calls?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel its actually very telling that you didn’t understand why I said nbk Posted: Mar.28 at 3:22 pm
    “Derrick Rose is better then Dwyane Wade because of Wins? Well so is Keith Bogans. And Joakim Noah is better then Dwight too right? what’a crock” – that was only in response to you saying “because of winning” – I don’t actually believe those things….so logically, your comment Diesel Posted: Mar.28 at 3:33 pm
    nbk – “Robert Horry has more rings than Wade too. Is he better than Wade? Stop living in the past. Players get old and others get better. I know its hard for you to comprehend because I’m not stating it in statistical format” is 100% useless, and dumb

  • ThaWindy

    With that said can’t wait til tonite when Da Bulls have a lil revenge on Philly tonite. Shld be a great game. U haters make sure yall watch to get a early preveiw of the Eastern Conference Champs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Philly’s winning the East? Damn, that’s gangsta.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    When ever has a player consistently complaining to the refs paid off? I’m sorry but to say Wade gets to the line because he “works the refs” is the most ignorant statement you have made today. Its clear if you watch the games why he gets to the line, same with every other player who gets to the line a lot. They get a lot of touches, and create a lot of contact. simple.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Brothaman – I think if its a superstar complaining, the refs listen a little more. I agree with Eboy that some of it is Wade getting good at drawing contact, but some of that is just refs being intimidated too. MJ did it back in the day too.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Actually nbk – my response was to this comment that you used to support why Wade is better than Rose:
    nbk Posted: Mar.28 at 3:29 pm
    “Diesel – Wade has a ring. Rose has never won a playoff series. Those are the only “wins” that matter.”
    So you’re saying that because Wade won a chip 5 years ago, that makes him a better player than Rose this year.

  • JTaylor21

    Rose gets trapped a lot coming off screens but he rarely gets “double and triple teamed”.
    Will people stop saying that sh*t.
    AllenP, look at what you caused.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I’m convinced you don’t actually watch basketball nbk. When has a player working the refs actually worked? See MJ, Kobe, Wade, LBJ…basically any superstar that complains to the refs.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Phil jackson made a living out of working the refs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So does Kobe scream and pout and get a ton of calls when he has his flow going? Dwight Howard everytime they let contact go in the lane? Tim Duncan throwing his arms up in disbelief when he doesn’t get every contact call? Lebron giving the look of death he he either gets hammered or runs over someone? Come on.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that was in response to you saying Rose is better then Wade because of “winning” – Wade won what matters, so even under you own definition, Wade > Rose. your the dummy that said Rose is better because of winning.

  • MLK4Life

    Facts are facts. The fact is that the Bulls swept the Heat this season. So right now, they have the edge. The Celtics swept the Heat. They have the edge. We’ll see what happens in the playoffs. Pack it in and let LeBron and Wade shoot threes. Bosh, even though he says he’s a big man who needs the ball in the paint, will ultimately end up shooting jumpshots. They get nothing from their center position. Mike Bibby is way over the hill. They just gave up 100 plus points to a team who’s most likely not going to be in the playoffs. After LeBron, Wade and Bosh, they’re weak. Top heavy.
    @nbk There’s no flaw in what I said. I’d take Rose before Wade and LeBron. And I’d take Kobe over Wade and LeBron.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    they complain, that means it works? Do you even know who was voted BY THE PLAYERS as the most whiny to the refs in the league? It’s David Lee. So there goes that stupid theory too.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Eboy – I agree lots of players do it. Its part of the game. Wade does it more than most. Rose does it less than most. Its has an effect on the number of calls each gets. And it definitly has an effect on overall point totals for each. As a matter of fact, Rose not getting those calls also negatively effects his shooting %.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Phil Jackson’s living has come from winning championships. and getting what he wants through the MEDIA. the refs? lol when ever have you heard of Phil Jackson using the refs? He is literally known for getting things done through the media.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    nbk – winning this year you inbred moron! What Wade won in 2006 doesn’t mean he’s a betetr player this year. Rose is winning with less this year! Do you know what year it is?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    It was a good game between the Heat and Rockets last night. Hard fought, high scoring, and very very close.
    That said, the Heat have another overlooked asset going into the playoffs–SUPERSTAR CALLS AND BIASED REFEREES.
    EVERY TIME someone tries to strip the ball from Wade or LeBron, it’s a f*cking foul, even if it really IS all ball, or even if they miss and swing at the air. Also, EVERY TIME Wade or LeBron drive into someone, it’s an automatic touch shooting foul. Superstar calls ruin the f*cking league.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    And who is the media influencing? Does the media officiate games? When phil complains about the reffing to the media he’s trying to get calls from the media? I’m done with you today dude. Arguing with you is getting me frustrated for no reason.

  • MLK4Life

    Most of the new Heat fans got giddy when this team got together. There’s no objectivity. But after giving all of that money to three guys, common sense would have told you that they couldn’t get any other good players to surround them with. Mike Miller is borderline. After that, it’s a sad bunch of players. Look at the Knicks now. These superstar teams are struggling and will struggle when the playoffs get here. Most of the Heat’s wins have been against bad teams. They can beat up on those guys. But their flaws are evident when they play good teams who aren’t afraid of them. LeBron and Wade are basically the same player. LeBron is just taller and stronger. This team is great on 2K11, but in real life, it’s not going to be as easy as some people think it is.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Amen Teddy. Apparently you and I are watching a different game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The way Diesel is talking it sounds like the Bulls “Winning” is like a 70 win season and that the Heat (and everyone else)are playing .500 ball. It’s only a 2 game difference, right? Shout out to Charlie Sheen.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So under YOUR OWN THEORY (whatever you wanna call it, you believe it) Joakim Noah is better then Dwight Howard. Carlos Boozer is the best PF in the league. Luol Deng is better then LeBron James, Tom Thibedeau is a better coach then Phil Jackson. Your the one talking about how its a team game, but are judging Rose as better because his team is winning? you hypocritical moron

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He uses the media to influence his players, opposing coaches, opposing players. Are you serious with that stupid a** question?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    It is funny how one great year is now better than a still great career.

  • JTaylor21

    MLK infamously states “I will take Rose over Wade and Bron”, really?
    Where the hell is James Earl Ray when you need him?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    With all due respect Teddy, you’re a Rocket fan, with the same biases we all have toward their teams, so please, shut the f*ck up. With all due respect. Your team was in the game all the way through….there was no turning point to the game with foul calls making the tide shift. Kill that.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    There are always going to be superstar biases. The Heat are not the only team to benefit from this.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    wth just happened

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Eboy – I’m not saying the Bulls are better than the Heat because of their record. I’m saying Rose has taken a team missing its 2nd best player for 30 games, then lost its best defender and rebounder for 2 months, to the top of the East. Heat haven’t had a significant injury to their top 3 all season. The fact that the Bulls are on top is worth something. Rose deserves the credit. he’s playing better than Wade. Wade may step it up and it will change down the road. but right now Rose is better than Wade. @nbk By my own theory – you’re an idiot.

  • Byebye

    E you right bulls fans an ny fans see no wrong or no right
    All they see is their team winning an not giving credit to no one
    Bulls beat the heat 3 games by a combined 5 pts and they act like they won by 50 rose didn’t blow by labron d wade made a mistake the game in Miami the heat came out on fire an the bulls slowed the game down
    That’s the only way to beat the heat is slow the game down with low possessions an hope d wade or bron is off
    But with bosh posting more itll be a different game for sure in the playoffs

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    fine with me. your beliefs obviously aren’t rooted in logic. for all I know your on a laptop on top of your roof at work waiting for your dragon to pick you up.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Who the hell is saying Bulls can do no wrong? Bulls can do a lot wrong. They can easily lose to the Heat in a playoff series. That still doesn’t change the fact that what Rose is doing this year is much more impressive than what Wade is doing.

  • JTaylor21

    “Rose deserves all the credit for the Bulls success”. Umm no, their rebounding, bench, defense and coach deserve way more credit than DRose for the team’s stellar play.
    Also rose fans enough already with the rose propaganda. We know he’s the MVP, so stop trying to convince the convinced.
    Y’all are giving kobe fans a run for their money.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I mean seriously, you called me an idiot, and an “inbred moron”, AFTER you said “having the best players doesn’t matter because its a team sport” then when I pointed out that you can check NBA history for proof that that is really all that matters, and Wade and LeBron are both better then everyone on chicago you then went on to say, Rose is better then Wade. (crazy enough in itself) and the reason? because of winning (this season to be exact) which completely disregards your previous comment that basketball is a team sport – whatever though, i’m the “idiot”

  • T-Money

    rose doesn’t go to the line like he should because he does his best to dodge defenders when going to the rim. this is well documented (truehoop, among others). he doesn’t get as many calls because he doesn’t look for calls, simply. there’s no bias against rose. actually, i’m not sure there’s any bias period. kevin martin and corey maggette LIVE at the ft line and they ain’t superstars.é

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    yeah still an idiot nbk.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If youre playing to the almost identical statline as the runaway MVP and youre playing with a stat beast like Lebron James….youre doing something right. Just saying.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sigh.
    Ain’t nobody changing his opinion here.
    Diesel and others really believe Rose is the best player in the league. It’s obvious.
    Ok, and what?
    I still don’t think he’s better than Chris Paul or Deron Williams, but it’s not like that matters in the real world.
    If the Bulls having a the best record in the East makes him better than Wade, then ok. Personally, I judge by a players skill set along with his team’s success, and by that measure, Wade and Bron are still better, but that’s just me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Where is enigmatic when you need a logical bulls fan. All these “other’s” are making it seem like everyone is hating on the bulls for being realistic.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I don’t think Rose is the best player in the league, just better than Wade. Allen’s right though, no one is changing their opinion here or accomplishing anything. peace out all. nbk I’ll let you get back to your excel work.

  • notorious

    Wow Rose fans are on some next ish. Yes, he’s having an impressive season. Yes he is unquestionably MVP. Hell naaw he ain’t better than Wade, Kobe, or Bron. Period. How is this a debate? Pass whatever ish yall smokin cuz it’s fiyah!

  • notorious

    Diesel, according to your reasoning you are saying that he’s the best player in the league. Your same logic can be applied to argue that he’s better than every player. He’s not. MVP does not mean best player in the league.

  • T-Money

    Stop now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that’s what you cam up with? get back to your excel work? I didn’t even use a single stat today lmao – but good one. I don’t really have anywhere to tell you to go back to because you seem to operate out of a fantasy land.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Someone said Rose was the best player in the league?? C’mon now. MVP, yes. Best player, no.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *MVP, Probably. Best Player, no.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you think he’s better than Wade, then you pretty much think he’s the third best player in the league, depending on how you feel about LeBron and Kobe.
    Right?

  • ThaWindy

    This is why Rose fans go so far. Because of the disrepect we feel he and his team receives. I think most “GO HARD D ROSE FANS” have some connection to the city of Chicago. We’ve all(like many other outside the city) seen Rose go from high school into the pros. We’ve all said “one day” he could be… To see that after 3 YEARS(not 5,6,7) in the league, hes getting MVP talks PERIOD!!(and he is the Youngest MVP in NBA History) NOBODY knew he would be this GREAT this Fast. No “No High School Hype” (LBJ lived up to it)… Jordan shaddow is HUGE..” ROSE won’t say it. So I will. He’s Special like MJ, Kobe, LBJ, DWADE(Another chi-town kid that NOBODY knew would be that GREAT)! And people want to compare him CP3, DWill and Westbook(good players). Yall Crazy!!! DHoward MVP??? Yall crazy…Think about it. The MVP “race” is between Kobe(a great, a vet) vs Rose(…) “Rose is the rain on YOUR parade” You can take Boston beating you but not the Bulls???!! Yall crazy!! Bulls remind you of the Cavs??? Bulls remind me of the Detroit Pistons that had NO SUPERSTARS and won back to back champs…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Chris Paul has two seasons of 22 and 12 with damn near 3 steals.
    I’m not even a huge CP3 fan and I’m insulted that you would even think to call him a “good” but not “great” player like Rose.
    Rose is putting up 25 and 8. Those are great numbers, no doubt, and his team is winning.
    But, it’s not like those numbers are unprecedented. Iverson dropped 30 and 7.9 one season. The next year he averaged 33 and 7.
    Rose deserves to be MVP and is freaking great. That’s it. All this other talk about him is getting asinine.

  • notorious

    Who’s disrespecting the kid? Saying he’s not the best player in the league isn’t being disrespectful to him, it’s being real. Bulls fans on this site fish for slights. Ain’t nobody saying the team or Rose is trash.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    CP3 is a great player, not only good. I think he’s probably overall better than Rose. If Rajon Rondo could shoot, he’d be better than Rose. He’s special, but not Michael Jordan -28 points per game in his freakin rookie year- special.

  • ThaWindy

    …..THEN yall talk about the 1st round of the playoff. Like they cant be ANYBODY in the 1st round. Like you forgot about Rose career 36 against Boston. TAKING them(yes without KG haters) 7 games. Since then the Bulls organization have fixed the first round problem…THIBS…I know its scary. PHIL JACKSON said he wanted the Lakers to finish with a better record than the Bulls( at the time both teams were around third). People laughed. Said Phil was playing mind games. Yall read this stuff too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People from Chicago and the surrounding suburbs are very adamant. It’s interesting.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    The Lakers don’t want to catch the Spurs. They want a better record than the best team in the East. Simple as that. Also, Kobe averages 25, 5 and 5; but a lot of people here says that he shouldn’t be considered for the MVP. Why not? For those of you that ball, you know that putting up those numbers after coming back from knee surgery is out of this world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I actually understood why Phil said that when he did. Probably because I’m a lifelong Laker fan and I have a good reason to Trust his Judgement(Just like Chicago fans who were old enough to understand basketball in the 90s with MJ,Scottie,Dennis, Toni, etc.)

  • tRay

    I seriously doubt Phil and the Lakeshow are afraid of the Bulls no disrepsect to Bulls fans. Y’all just ain’t there with us yet sorry.

  • ThaWindy

    @allenp:
    Since you LOVE stats. The GREATNESS I refer to is the GREATNESS of winning mulitple championships. Like when you say, ” Kobe got 5, but Mike got 6″. LBJ went to MIAMI to team up with WADE to obtain this GREATNESS. No one speaks of CP3 in this mannor. Who has 6 YEARS on DROSE.You believe Jordan when he said he’d take Kobe over LBJ but not when he said the BULLS could when 5 or 6!!! You read what i read

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sergio there’s an issue with that, MVP award doesn’t have anything to do with coming back from surgery. And frankly, before the All Star break Kobe was making as many people angry as he was happy. And Pau was the best Laker for the first 2 months of the season, save a couple great games from Kobe. I think Phil said that to mess with Boston and get them thinking about LA as it was a show of respect for Chicago and what Thibodeau has done with that team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol at ThaWindy and his choice of what words deserve to be in all caps. – Jordan had Pippen, Magic had Kareem, Bill had Bob, Isiah (superstar – moron) had Joe D, Larry had Kevin, can we please stop talking about LeBron going to Miami and teaming with Wade as a cop out it isn’t.

  • JTaylor21

    Wow, rose peddlers done lost their damn minds.
    Dude just said that Rose is special like MJ, Kobe, LBJ, DWade special then turned around and said that the Bulls remind him of the late 80s Pistons squad that had NO??? superstar.
    Now this is why people can’t stand bulls fans.

  • ThaWindy

    @tRay:
    Not about being afraid…its about a coach saying that he wanted a better record than a third place TEAM. He didnt say we wanted a better record than the NO.1 seed in the East. HE said THE BULLS!!Now look at the Bulls and Lakers record.

  • ThaWindy

    @nbk:
    Its okay because I did the samething ealier to Eboy. So like I said before
    Billups, Prince, BWallace, RWAllace, RIP,…
    See because they had no SUPERSTARS no one remember them..sad!…the lakers and spurs remember..lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    uhm those Pistons didn’t go back to back. Which is what you said.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you actually seem to be the one who doesn’t remember.

  • ThaWindy

    your right they went seven games

  • ThaWindy

    Point being that the Cavs comparison was disrespectful.

  • tRay

    @Tha Windy
    yea I see where your coming from man just saying it’s Phil who said it….come on Phil LOL

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ThaWindy
    Before he got hurt everybody said Chris Paul was the second coming of Isiah Thomas who most folks have as the third best point guard of all time.
    Everybody thought he was great. Everybody but you apparently.

  • ThaWindy

    LOL..some times he talks and I hear 11 rings.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Cavs comparison was disrespectful how? They are better then Detroit, who didn’t have a single 20PPG scorer, while Chicago has Rose. Cleveland also ended with a better season then THIS chicago team, 2 straight times. They also got further in the playoffs then any Bull has been in their career except Brian Scalabrine. Plus its clearly Rose’s team, as that Cleveland team was clearly LeBrons. The second best player on each team was a high energy defensive big. Both teams were tops in the league in defense. Its actually a wonderful comparison. Both teams have/had the MVP as well. Detroit compared to chicago, there is not a single parallel.

  • ThaWindy

    @Allenp
    Okay CP3 is GREAT!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man I am leaving this alone.
    Also this idea that stats are useless is pretty sad. Stats aren’t the end all but they do create an important baseline for looking at players. Iused stats to Rose’s great season in context. Oh well.

  • notorious

    Comparing them to the Cavs would be disrectful if the bulls made it to the Finals. ThaWindy, you speak as if they’ve accomplished something in the playoffs already. It’s one thing to be optimistic; it’s another to start talking like they’ve won something. That’s obnoxious. As much as I like Rose, fans like you make me want the bulls to get knocked out just ’cause.

  • ThaWindy

    @Allenp:
    Okay CP3 is GREAT!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Notorious even then it isn’t disrespectful, the Cavs did make the finals in 07, when LeBron was still a pup. I’m out for the day but there is no disrespect comparing two alike things. Even if one might be better suited for success then the other, they are still similar.

  • notorious

    @nbk
    its disrespectful becuz the Cavs comment was based on the Bulls being a one man show. Rose only. So like the Cavs they would be a dissappiontment. I found it disrepectfull to thnk that the Bulls will not make it pass the 1st round having tp playing the Pacers, Bucks, etc
    @notorius
    I know…I hate what I’ve become…makes me not want to talk like that in cause they do… But i said f* it!!

  • notorious

    @ NBK True True. I just meant that he was being foolish talking bout disrespect when the Bulls have yet to accomplish anything in the postseason. That’s crazy talk to me. It’s like some of these Bulls fan don’t care about fact or reason. Blind fandom is hella annoying.

  • Michael

    Wade is better then Rose. Rose may be having a better season but lets not get that confused with being a better player.

  • notorious

    @nbk:
    The comparison was that the Bulls had one superstar and would be a disappointment like the Cavs. That the Bulls are nothing without DRose. Not the Champs that went to the finals. The teams that sent LBJ to Miami.

    @notorious:
    I know… I hate what I’ve become. I don’t like to talk like this because I dont want them to lose. Then I’ll look dumb right? But f* it!!

  • notorious

    Is Wade>LBJ?

  • notorious

    ThaWindy: Chk your name and e-mail address before you press ‘submit comment’. You’re posting under my name.

  • ThaWindy

    my bad son…i dont know who that happened

  • notorious

    It’s cool. Happened to me too.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Eboy: The Rockets got straight up hacked on SEVERAL possessions with no call. Several times the Heat were stripped CLEAN, or slid against a Rockets’ player on their way to the basket and a foul was called every time (except for that ONE defensive play by Pat Patterson). If you seriously think superstar calls don’t exist in the NBA, we aren’t watching the same league. I do appreciate the respect though when you’re telling me to stfu. That’s just great.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    you guys enrage me. right now rose is better than stephon marbury. he is not better than D.Wade at ANYTHING. shut up. jesus christ. you bandwagoners. rose will be a great player but he’s just having a good season. Wade has been consistently awesome for years. throughout numerous injuries. NUMEROUS. if i wasn’t running out of battery i would explain further but still…christ.

    And i’m a HUGE rose fan. HUGE.

  • MLK4Life

    @JTaylor
    We all know about your crush on LeBron. You’ve gone out of your way to prove that to any objective basketball fan on here. Rose is a humble superstar who will do whatever it takes for his team to win without any entourages or self-made nicknames. So yes, I’d take him before LeBron or Wade. Wade has allowed LeBron to come in and inject him with his arrogance which is why both he and Bosh are making statements about making history…try winning a playoff series first.
    Rose has bought into Thibs system like Duncan did with Pop. He’s improved his game every season. The biggest reasons for the Bulls success is their defensive minded coach who gives Rose the freedom to make decisions on offense. Their bench is not more important than Rose. If you seriously believe that, I feel sorry for you. Stop the LeBron/Heat blind love and wake up. The Bulls are a better team as consituted. So are the Celtics. You can’t say who’s the best PG in the league because it depends on what’s needed. The most talented player in the league is LeBron. The most skilled is Kobe. No one is saying DRose is the best player in the league. But he’s certainly top 10. Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Paul, Durant, Rose, Howard Carmelo, DWilliams and Amare.

  • ThaWindy

    top 4..Kobe, LBJ, Wade, Rose..

  • notorious

    LBJ Wade Kobe Durant (Rose nearly equal with Durant).

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/load-o-bull/2011 Diesel

    Man why is this so hard to comprehend? Take Tim Duncan and Amare. I don’t think there’s any debate that Tim Duncan is one of, if not THE greatest power forward of all time. But at this point in time, Amare is the better player. That doesn’t mean Amare has or will have a better career, that just means Amare is a better player right now. You’re not going to convince anyone that Tim Duncan is better this year because he won championships years ago or because he’ll go down as the greatest. Some of you can’t decipher point-in-time versus an entire career. If you could, you wouldn’t be so appauled by my comments. Do you guys supporting Wade right now remember some of the sh*t you were saying about him earlier in the year? He was getting ripped on for his play by his own fans. Talking about how he was disappearing in games. Now all of a sudden that he’s on a hot streak he’s great again. If Rose is having the better season than he’s the better player right now. If things change down the road than they change…and when they both retire I might look back at their careers and say Wade had the better career and was the better player. But for this year, it just isn’t true. And considering Rose is on his way up, and Wade and his beat up 30 year old body are on his way down, I’m guessing that’s going to be the case for the years to come too.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Except he’s only “better” in terms of TEAM wins. Which to you isn’t a product of being or having a better player. Which is quite the paradox considering your saying Rose is better SOLELY because his TEAM has more wins.

  • notorious

    Not a good analogy. You’re talking like Wade is over the hill. He’s in his prime. DRose has slightly better offensive stats. That’s all. Now team success is a different story. They are not the same. Kobe’s 05 team sucked but he was still the best player in the league. Nash won MVP and his team was better but he wasn’t connsidered a better player than Kobe. Stop the madness.

  • notorious

    *considered

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The NBA champs need to read these comments and start playing the Sixers.

  • blakos

    Diesal Rose has had a better season yes. Is he the better player, no. You are talking as if wades over the hill. Right now he is playing unbelievable ball. Ever since he got his kids hes been on a tear…Just because hasn’t been as consitant as Rose this year does not mean he isn’t ‘currently’ better than Rose.

  • reason

    Food for thought. Westbrook’s #’s are almost identical to Rose’s, except Rose scores 2.7 more points. Rose has taken at least 200 more shots than him. The Bulls are a better defensive team, but Westbrook is a better defender. Is Rose really all that much better?

  • MLK4Life

    @reason
    Rose is more polished offensively and is more under control. Westbrook routinely crashes into defenders for offensive fouls. Rose can manuever around defenders. They’re very similar but Rose’s offensive game is better.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/load-o-bull/2011 Diesel

    “He’s only better in terms of team wins” – nbk even a stat geek that doesn’t watch games can look that up and see that that’s not true.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I was actually talking about Rose. You said he is a better Basketball player. Not more valuable to his team but a better player, so I pointed out other then team wins that is false in every conceivable thing that matters but team wins (you know because Chicago has or is on pace for like 2 more wins then Miami, if they even finish with a better record…(Miami plays only teams under .500 from hear on out I believe) so once again other then your blatantly biased opinion and Chicago’s record (since basketball is a team sport, and wing the isn’t attached to winning which is what you, Diesel, said) how is Derrick Rose better then Dwyane Wade? Who with a respected basketball opinion has ever made that assertion and made a case for it? Since you can’t or hate stats because your somehow above something that is relied upon by every basketball mind in the NBA why don’t you just list 5 reasons just five that rose is better? And be logical, don’t try and insult me, I’m just trying to make sense of this? Plus your being all snide like you proved something, it’s pretty immature and alarming, you realize your openly contradicting yourself and defending it don’t you? …here comes a short insult

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Being the best* isn’t attached to winning. (autotype)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    COME ON COMMENTS!!! SHOW UP!!! THE POWER OF THE CAPS LOCK KEY COMPELLS YOU!!!!

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/load-o-bull/2011 Diesel

    I do know you’re talking about rose. That’s why I said saying that Wade is better at EVERYTHING is false. Rose is a better passer, 3 point shooter, and free throw shooter. That’s the straight stat version. I also think he’s a betetr scorer even though ppg is lower. Mainly because Rose is scoring those points against double and triple teams. Wade’s numbers get inflated by his extra trips to the line which he gets as a result of superstar treatment. Him getting those foul calls on missed shots also prevents his shooting percentage from taking a hit. Rose does not have that luxury. Those are the type of things that just quoting straight stats doesn’t tell you. And on top of all that, Rose has been a much much much better player in the clutch this year. Those are all things you’d see if you actually watched the game, which you don’t. You just compare stats and draw a conclusion that way.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Personally, I take winning into the postseason strongly into account when saying player A is better than player B.
    Just like LeBron needs to win a ring before I can declare him better than Kobe, Rose has to win one before I can even begin to say he’s better than Wade.
    I will say this though, ring or no ring, he will be better than Wade in three years.
    And barring injury, Rose will have the better career than Wade too.
    But right now, I gotta give it to Wade.
    For the record though, if I had to pick one or the other to start a team with, I’d pick Rose.
    Due to his age and his being THIS good despite being 4 or 5 years away from reaching his peak

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Diesel I have never once, said anything negative about Rose. Your absolutely crazy. I have been clear over the last few weeks that I have Rose as the MvP, Dwight second dirk third LeBron & Wade then Kobe. The only thing I’m saying is just because Rose is having such a great season that does not mean he is better at basketball then Wade. Someday possibly, actually at this rate of improvement inevitably. But does that mean im suddenly stupid? Do I think that because Rose is playing on an artfully coached team with conference championship caliber personnel that he is better then a proven champion with more experience, success, and that is still more productive, on BOTH ends, and more efficient, every season. Including this one. Yes some STATS (as YOU of all the haters like to point out) are in Rose’s favor, by what does that really mean? Does it mean anything purely as per game numbers, yeah, to the a star voters, is there better ways to measure it? Yeah, but its pointless u won’t care. I’ll give Rose the edge as an overall shooter, but that’s where it ends. And his shot is not that much better that it changes anything, including shooting %. ft% yes, but then again Wade gets those attempts so there’s that. – oh and trust me, i watch plenty, plenty of basketball. Up until about a month ago that’s a I watched all season, You catch that bulls game tonight? Stressful.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Tonight’s Bulls game worries me because it was the third game in a row where it seemed like the other Bulls players just expected Rose to win the game for them.
    And he just wasn’t able to tonight.

  • reason

    @ MLK4life: ok, I can undersatnd that. But I wonder what the result would be if Westbrook was the main offennsivee option.

  • reason

    *understand, offensive

  • Feez22

    Did I just hear somebody say that wade gets to the line more than rose due to ref bias? Just because the refs rigged the 06 finals doesn’t mean that’s the case every game. Wade is BY FAR a better driver to the rim than rose. By far. You can see that in his shooting percentage. Same with Lebron. Rose is sort of Kobe like in terms of his spotting up for a VOLUME of midrange and 3 point jumpers as if he has no athleticism. Rose isn’t even the best driver at the PG position. Tony Parker is. Laugh if u want, he doesn’t lead point guards in paint points every year for nothing.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    okay, i know its a day late and people probably wont read this, but did you say tim duncan is better than lebron, nbk? that kinda just shot down your entire argument. you said best players win it. lebron was the best player.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tim Duncan was WAY better than LeBron in 2007. Clearly y’all forgot about Timmy.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i dunno, going by just the stats lebron looked a little better. the spurs were the better team by FAR. not to hate on timmy, he was great, but i think lebron was the better player with a worse team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tim Duncan was clearly a better basketball player then LeBron. Stats, pure stats, are just going to show you who had the ball the majority of the time. San Antonio had 3 all stars, one of which is the greatest PF of all time. Cleveland had LeBron James their second best player in those playoffs was Daniel Gibson. and no that’s not a typo or mistake.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    im still skeptical. lebron was ridiculous that year, remember the ECF against the pistons? he WAS the team, basically willed them to the finals against a superior spurs team. i thought he was a great player on a horrible team, and yeah possibly the best player in the finals as well. but we’ll agree to disagree

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    The spurs didn’t guard him in that series, they treated him like Rajon Rondo. Duncan was better on both ends, even if he didn’t get comparable touches

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    well, we’ll disagree on this one.

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