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Wednesday, March 23rd, 2011 at 8:44 am  |  179 responses

Post Up: Fight to the Finish

Lakers outlast Suns after three OTs; Bulls down Hawks.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Chicago 114, Atlanta 81

The Bulls destroyed the Hawks, reclaiming their spot atop the East and reinforcing why many think they could breeze through the first (and the second?) round of the Playoffs. Derrick Rose put up an even 30 points and 10 dimes, while Luol Deng (whose importance really can’t be understated at this point) dropped 27. Jeff Teague led ATL with 20.

Portland 111, Washington 76

Another blowout. The Blazers knocked down the Wizards, sending them packing behind a great night from Gerald Wallace (28 points) and 22 points apiece from both Nicolas Batum and LaMarcus Aldridge. Somehow, Washington still hasn’t won a second game on the road, so perhaps we should’ve celebrated the first one a little more when that went down. The Blazers currently hold the sixth spot in the West, just one game behind Denver and one ahead of New Orleans.

L.A. Lakers 139, Phoenix 137

Three overtimes, 276 points and 63 total minutes. And after all that, the Lakers managed to hold off the Suns and pull off the exhausting victory. After a series of close almost-finishes and high-pressure moments, Ron Artest (!) scored 4 clutch points in the final two minutes of the third overtime—two after a big steal, and two via a fallaway J—and a Kobe Bryant jumper put the Suns away for good with 14 seconds remaining. Kobe ended up with a ridiculous 42-12-9 stat line, while Steve Nash went for 19 points and 20 dimes for the Suns. Channing Frye (32 points, 14 boards) was vital as well, draining a number of threes (he had five total) that kept Phoenix in it during the end of regulation and first two OT sessions. Most importantly, this contest produced some glorious post-game quotes, including Lamar Odom’s “I’m tired. I’m ready to go home. And I’m in the mood for pancakes,” and Phil Jackson’s “I was hoping to get outta here by 11. It’s a little past my bed time.” Understandable. The Lakers “host” the Clippers on Friday; the Suns, unfortunately, have to get back to Arizona to host the Raptors tonight. That won’t be fun.

Last Call: JaVale McGee denies Wesley Matthews. Hard.

(H/T: @outsidethenba)

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  • http://masterx1983@hotmail.com marchalmadness

    that is just a sick block!
    good luck to phoenix tonight btw ;)

  • http://masterx1983@hotmail.com marchalmadness

    that is just a sick block!
    good luck to phoenix tonight btw ;)

  • Mike From Spain

    The Javale McGee block should count as both a block and a rebound. Or a block and a steal.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    hell of a game from kobe, havent seen him put numbers like that in quite some time

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Loved seeing the signature “Kobe Jaw” in the big moments during last night’s Lakers/Suns match. Anybody who has plans on taking that gold ball away from him and the Lakers this year better be warned.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Javale reminds me of a young Samuel Dalembert: great athletic defender, very raw on offense, and a basketball IQ that makes Mario Chalmers look like a genius.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Who wanna mess with Hollywood Kob.

  • Riggs

    “kobe jaw” is the dumbest look in sports. I’m surprised most of his opponents dont laugh at him when he does that stupid face.

  • MUBWAR

    Javale is just nasty. Dwight is jealous of that block.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    The Bulls absolutely destroyed the Hawks. Hinrich could’ve cloned himself and they still wouldn’t be able to stop Drose. He looks unstoppable. The MVP Race is over.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    The Laker bench as turrible last night. Up almost 20 towards the end of the 3rd, bench comes in and gets slaughtered by the Phx bench and by the 7 min mark in the 4th, its down to a 2 point game. And of course, Phil lets them wallow in their own misery.

  • bull22

    the bulls did awesome last night.. but too much ball left to be played, true bulls fans know we are no where near end of finished product and that the second season where champions are made is around corner. it is however looking very good!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Co-sign Riggs. A more forced and calculated ‘intense’ look has never in the history of sports been orchestrated. Kobe played something like 11-12 years before he all of a sudden decided than when the game is on the line I jut out my jaw like I just swallowed Peter North’s load. Kobe is a great player, but he is such a phoney and calculated person it is laughable. At least Mike’s toungue wagging was real…

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *tongue

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    thanks, suns and lakers, for keeping me from an hour of sleep. jeez.
    im sure its safe to say the mvp race is over, drose is sh*tting on dudes every game.

  • lexluther703

    There is zero reason why Rose can’t get MVP AND Thibs can’t get COY at the same time. What this team is doing is ludicrous, with a rookie head coach, an oft-injured power foward and a center who missed 30 games of his own, as well as a large influx of new players who all play key roles. I love this team we got and I think it’s all headed in the right direction. Side note: Thibs deserves COY simply for getting Luol Deng’s rotting corpse to actually live up to some of that potential us Bulls fans used to think he had then he made us forget about..

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    @Riggs Laugh and then Lose. Kobe was cooking last night. Not so much in the OT’s surprisingly. Does anyone thing someone deserves the 6th Man of the year award more than Odom this year? I know there are good candidates, but Odom goes straight balling when he starts and IS the bench on most nights…

  • Feez22

    Didn’t Lebron just score 43 in 3 Quarters against these hawks?… The hawks suck. Every one of the top 4 teams in the east have blown out the hawks this season.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    No doubt that Odom has been surprisingly consistent this year.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    The way Gortat is playing for Phoenix right now, Coach Ron Jeremy is rolling in his ummm…bed.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe’s jaw jut vs. LeBron’s ice grill
    Battle to the death.

  • Feez22

    MVP=MAP. Media anointed player.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @feez, if that were true, don’t you think lebron would win it every single year?

  • Fat Lever

    Please get Jevale outta WSH. Get him some tutelage from someone that can actually teach him the fundamentals and angles. He could have a defensive impact similar to Joakim Noah if he learned the professional game correctly.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Remember when people were debating who was better, Rose or Westbrook, and some people called me stupid for saying it wasn’t close?
    Yeahhh….

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    @fezz…the difference, one of them wins it all for the last few years.

  • Nella

    Anyone see the punk move by Hilton Armstrong at the end of the Hawks/Bulls game? 4 seconds left, CJ Watson dribbling the ball out, Armstrong baits him into a handshake, steals the ball so they can shoot a 3? Not a good look down by 35, dude.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    This Bulls team kinda reminds me of the Cavs of last year, what do ya’ll think?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @ Fresh Prince, No

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    the bulls team is NOT last years cavs. last years cavs rode lebron as far as they could. bulls have a talented team around them with players that could actually contribute.

  • ThaWindy

    Bulls vs Lakers..its 91 all over again..Phil said before or after..(Lakers and Bulls were both 3rd in their conferencesat the time) the all-star break that he wanted the Lakers to finish the season with a better record than the Bulls… people in the media thought he was on Bull…claiming he didnt really believe that and therefore he must be playing mind games with Boston..Don’t think they feel the same way today..Go Bulls!! DRose Youngest MVP in NBA History!

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Does anyone undercut/hipcheck more opponents than Fisher. His version of ‘fight through the pick’ resembles a Judo move.
    Very entertaining game by both teams, Frye sure has gotten clutch in Phoenix. Vince though, he’s regressing.
    That behind the back pass while falling by Nash (2nd OT) was a beaut.

  • Logan

    @Riggs and Lz – Its hard to laugh when you are losing

    Who cares how the jaw looks like….as long as the wins keep on coming…plus Kobe’s Jaw has now become one of the most recognized body parts in sports…

  • Logan

    btw this game had me shouting and jumping all over…sigh…it had been a while!

  • T-Money

    I thought Nash really hurt PHX in OT by not looking for his shot. He can get a clean pull up jumper on Fisher anytime he wants to! Too many possessions where he was weaving in and out of the lane for 20 seconds and then giving the ball to a lesser player standing still with his man in his face. That’s supposed to be go time: spread the shooters and take Fish to school. I really didn’t like PHX’s offense in crunch time, a lot of awkward shots.

  • T-Money

    And before anybody says that I just don’t like Nash, I say the same thing about CP3 all the time. I want to throw things at the TV when he iso’s for David West in crunch time and gets out of the way. You’re the best player on your team, it’s your job to create at the end of games! YYou don’t have to take the shot but you have to make the decision.

  • 1stNoel

    Shout out to Nic Fleming for the outkast plug

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    some of the 3′s nash hit were ridiculous. dude can shoot from anywhere in the most awkward positions

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    @Logan Almost as famous as Greg Oden’s…umm knee.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    But the Cavs also had great chimestry (during the regular season) and people really thought that “this year was the year”…
    Anyway, I hope I’m wrong cuz nothing will make me more happy than to see my bro Joakim do it big in April, may, june? So that we could celebrate in Kribi in july…

  • Logan

    @Nicolas Fleming – almost!

  • Logan

    @ Nicolas Fleming – almost!

  • Logan

    sorry for the double post…

  • sutphin

    Kobe’s jaw thing has to be a freaking joke. He’s a winner for sure, but have you ever seen anybody so focused on creating their own ‘myth’? The public post-game workouts, jaw thingy, and the self given nickname. He’s annoying.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Logan, Nickolas, Brett Favre’s d*ck?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I honestly think Kobe’s “jaw thing” is natural. I don’t think he’s trying to say hey look at my jaw thing its like Jordans tongue. It’s more like a “f*ck yah, i just hit a huge shot or had a huge defensive position” type of jaw thing. haha. Anyway whats the difference beyween holding your hand in the air and protruding your jaw…

  • Logan

    @sutphin – dude, stop hating. there has just been one public post game workout in all these year. and the self given nickname…you mean like ‘chosen 1′ or ‘king’ self proclaimed by a certain someone…and the mamba jaw is fun..stop hatin!
    @Lakeshow – you’re right..first place!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Exactly my thoughts sutphin. Great player, but it seems like he has realised that he will not top Mike as a player, so slowly he is bringing out on gimmick after the other to feed the media and thus his myth. Kind of pathetic… Let your game do the talking Kobe, you are a great player.

  • Logan

    don’t look now..but his game has been doing the talking….for more than a decade

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So LZ you think Kobe does the jaw thing to make people think he’s better than Jordan? Your weird.

  • sutphin

    How is it ‘hating’ if I already aknowledged his excellence as a player? It doesn’t mean his actions aren’t contrived. So what if the workout only happened once. He did it in front of the media to be noticed. And how did Lebron get brought up? That’s how you know you’re a groupie. Bringing up another player doesn’t make Kobe less gimmicky. It damn sure doesn’t prove that anything I said was false.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Whatever, Kobe got it in last night.
    I feel like the Lakers are in legitimate championship mode right now. Ron is starting to become comfortable in the triangle.

  • sutphin

    @ Lakeshow: I read LZ’s comment. Nowhere in it does he say Kobe does it to make people think he’s better than MJ. He said he does it to feed his myth, which I agree with. You can’t call someone weird for a point YOU totally made up.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    But, sutphin is right. A lot of Kobes actions scream of too much self awareness.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Lakeshow, he obiviously does it to feed into his own myth and it is equally obivious that his obsession is cathing Jordan’s legacy and status as GOAT – if you can’t see that you need to take of the shades, Kobe is trying to win for himself for his own legacy, not for the team – otherwise he would be feeding Gasol and Bynum instead of hoisting them up from afar. The jaw is planned acting, just like the late night shooting, the giving himself a nickname (since he wasn’t satisfied with what the media had come up with…). After more than 11-12 years in the league of never doing anything like that, he hits a couple tough jumpers in the playoffs and all of a sudden his jaw comes out like the drawer of a cash-register GTFOH if that wasn’t rehearsed in the front of the mirror and that my friend is just sad that he feels he has to do that to get (more) recoignition. I am not dissing the player Kobe, he is clearly among the best present and all-time, just the guy and all this phoney posing.

  • Logan

    well when you call someone great and then talk about an incident which happened once in his whole career, his ‘jaw’ or his nicknames…thats hating my friend…regardless, lets agree to disagree. The only reason I brought up another player is because its not just Kobe who gives himself nicknames. As far as I am concerned…Kobe is a champion 5 times over…he can do whatever he wants…do some pelvic thrusts and call him a beast before he shoots a thousand jumpers after a game…he’s earned it…thats what makes him what he is. like I said…lets agree to disagree because internet arguments get boring after two posts.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Kobe didn’t give a damn about getting that last assist last nite unlike some players I know.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LeBron didn’t give himself the nickname King. But he sure as hell ran with it.
    Just like Iverson and “Answer.”
    Kobe has been the same cat since he was rocking floppy fishing hats and a single hoop earring in his left ear. Always trying on a new skin, just like a snake.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Are you guys serious? You are hate on everything he does. He’s doing it for the LA crowd and his fans watching. He’s an entertainer and an Icon. He plays in freaking hollywood and he made the face after he hit a clutch basket in the THIRD OVERTIME. Please stop posting because you guys sound really stupid now.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, stupid! Nah just clowning.
    Still it’s closer than people think and just because DRose is the front-runner for the MVP trophy doesn’t mean that he’s all of a sudden that much better than Russ.
    Take a look at the numbers both players put up and the only significant difference is PPG/FGA.
    Looks like the media has already brainwashed folks into believing that DRose is head and shoulders above any other PG.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Lebron has “chosen one” tattooed on his back and constantly walks around in the his “witness” shirt. Sooo…you guys are reaching hard. Just say you hate the guy.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Black Mamba or the King. Now which one is more narcissistic?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kap, I actually thought Kobe did care about that last assist.
    Sure, he was more worried about winning the game, but his demand for a goal tend call when Pau was fouled on a lay-up seemed to be about his statistics. At this point he was only 1 assist away.
    That is just my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’ve had these feelings about Kobe since he came in the League. The recent behavior just confirms it.
    Just because I think dude is a wack person (like many of his peers) doesn’t mean I don’t respect him as a player. Dude is a beast on the court, and his dedication is amazing. Now, his stubborness isn’t so hot, but nobody is perfect.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Cosign Nella @ 11:13.
    The final score should be 114-78.
    And it would’ve been an even bigger blowout if the only Hawks player that had any heart last night, Jeff Teague, didn’t drop like 20 points in the fourth.
    Didn’t Hilton Armstrong pull some sh*t like that before?

  • sutphin

    If you think aknowledging something obvious is ‘hating’ then you clearly don’t know how to use the term properly. If I was ‘hating’ I’d somehow try to downplay his skills. Just because someone doesn’t feed into phoniness doesn’t mean they’re a hater. And I didn’t call Kobe the individual great, I mentioned the greatness of his skills so your argument doesn’t make sense because I’m not criticizing his game. If someone does something for attention, it doesn’t matter how many times they’ve done it. It’s still stupid. I skipped over everything you said about Lebron because I never mentioned him or any other player. What they do is irrelevent because I’m discussing Kobe. Like I said, it’s groupie behavior when you get uptight about obvious silliness. Are you the Kobe police? I’m an adult fan of the GAME so I’m not going to be in awe of everything an individual does. That’s one big difference between us so yea, I’ll agree to disagree.

  • sutphin

    Seriously, are most of the posters here teens? How does bringing up one player absolve another of something? And why do I have to love everything a player does? Too many groupies on this site.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    “The Kobe Police”.
    LOL.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Lebron pulls a lot of the same crap, no doubt. I don’t know why he was ever brought up?… You guys defending Kobe’s gimmicks need to look at Kobe’s actions and make your argumentation based on that instead of pointing fingers at the other players, that LeBron does a lot of the same tacky stuff doesn’t make Kobe any less of a phoney actor when it comes to his persona on/off court. LAL was never the Fakers before he suited up, but boy do it fit with their leader ‘doing work’ to get the Oscar.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    He’s playing in front of millions watching and also playing in LA so I doubt he has to do things to add attention to himself. He is Kobe freaking Bryant. We are just saying how stupid you sound posting that. Who cares what faces he makes. You really sound stupid.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    The most amusing part of all this, is the reference to knowing how to use the term “hater” properly. I guess that’s where we are now…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lamar Odom & Kobe Bryant were monsters last night. Absolute monsters. Grant Hill is an elite defender even though he got lit up. I hope Phoenix didn’t burn all their fuel last night, gotta beat Toronto tonight.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @NBK, what’s wrong with you? No one comes on here to discuss actual basketball. What’s your opinion of Kobe’s receding hairline vs Lebron’s? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • sutphin

    Grown men getting uptight and feeling the need to defend another grown man is what’s amusing. “I’m offended that you criticised my hero” lmao. “He is Kobe freaking Bryant”, as if that’s supposed to be the final say LOL. Really? Sooo does that mean he’s some god who can do no wrong? I don’t know if that’s funny or creepy.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    kobe’s barber must be a magician, it almost looks natural. but seriously, with the CBA deadline coming near, the NBA playoffs on the way and the MVP race drawing to a close, what do you guys think i should have for lunch, subway or this filipino food high in sodium?

  • http://slamonline.com Rocksinmypants

    This is a joke, who cares what faces are being made? I love kobe and the lakers, but when he makes that face I just think he looks like a dumb as$. Just like when ron ron does some dumb ish the first thing that comes to my mind is clown. Also maybe he was wanting a goaltend because the game was in overtime and they wanted to win or maybe he wanted his assist. Exciting game though, how about we talk about that?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @ airs – eat fresh, homie.
    But then again…hmmm…not sure.
    The Polladaday needs to be “What Should airs Have For Lunch”!
    Make it happen, Walsh!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Rocksinmypants; I unfortunately didn’t watch the game. It looks good on paper though.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @Enigmatic…thats hilarious. LA didn’t deserve to win honestly because they did blow a 22 point lead when Kobe and the reserves started playing around (especially Shannon Brown). He played great for the first month of the season and now he looks so lost.

  • http://slamonline.com Rocksinmypants

    Ir was a great game. The suns just didnt have enough left in the tank at the end.

  • http://slamonline.com MichaelG

    @Lz and Sutphin: You’re either a seed, or just plain naive. “but have you ever seen anybody so focused on creating their own ‘myth’?” When MJ took a 5hit he had it filmed. In the NBA There has never been anyone that soo effectively created his own myth. Yet You were prolly still swimming around in yer pappys walnut shell to know this. Kobe didnt comission “doin’ work” that was Spike Lee. Iverson had more videos than Kobe does back in 03′. So yeah thats hating. I get what Allenp is saying thou, but i think its a streach to compare something any person for that matter did as a 19-21 year old, compared to what they are doing 10 yrs later at 30 yrs of age. And then use that as an example of how that person is constantly trying on new skin.

  • SpursFan

    Suns lost because Grant fouled out, Lakers won because of Kobe’s face.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    And his barber

  • http://slamonline.com Rocksinmypants

    haha

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Well, TPU has slowed down some, but I have a feeling the comment section in the LeBron dancing video is bout to have a gazillion comments…

  • hoodsnake

    Putting ‘Kobe’ and ‘assist’ in one sentence is just plain…new.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sadly, false equivalency and strawmen are common in these parts.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    test, 1, 2

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    okay so what i meant to say was, haha! the input is greatly appreciated bro. i have a feeling this will be posted up ten times hours later

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    I’m still bumpin that K.O.B.E. by Kobe and Tyra Banks in my car today. That joint goes hard.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I see airs is having problems posting.
    And I seen your comment about Ron Mercer hella late last night.
    Don’t even get me started on the coaches we had though…
    Tim Floyd FTL!!

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Luol Deng may have the smoothest game in the L. He definitely should get MIP.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    SG your crazy aren’t you? lol, Kevin Love would like a word with you. And Deng isn’t even having his own personal best season

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    @Kap 1:22 – what do you mean by “we”…?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @MichaleG: I am 29 years old and have seen far more of this world than your average 29 years old. I have been called a lot of things, naive not being one of them. I call it like I see it and gave Kobe the player plenty of credit, while pointed out the in my eyes obvious acting. If that is ‘hating’ in your eyes well so be it, I will leave you in peace fantasizing about my father’s wallnut shell.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So am I hating if I say that the powder toss is the ultimate in narcissistic and “look at me” behavior?
    Just asking…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No BC, your prolly right about that

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @nbk…I’m not a Kevin Love fan. He reminds me of Brad Milller

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    For once I agree with you BC, LeBron’s powder toss and plenty of other actions are surely ‘look at me’ behavior and no I don’t think you are hating… At all…

  • http://juan.garcia@computershare.com Tina Turner

    How about the “Kobe lifting up the Fianals MVP trophy face” vs. the “LeBron exiting the playoffs again face”?

    Think about it… Let it simmer.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Or the riverdance on the sideline or the cabbage patch after a dunk…

  • sutphin

    @ MichaelG: Don’t specualte on my age when you-presumably a grown man-is actually offended by my pointing out an obvious issue. As I said before, that’s groupie behavior. Again, Kobe is whom I was discussing. It’s clear some of you aren’t familiar with the idea of debate. You have to actually counter the argument you oppose by talking about the same subject. Bringing up other players doesn’t disprove what I said about Kobe. You’re probably not even old enough to discuss anything before the 2000 with me so this convo need not continue.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @nbk – Kevin Love?!
    Come on now!
    He averaged 14 and 11 in 28 minutes per last year.
    He’s averaging 20 and 15 in 36 minutes this year.
    That’s not being the “most improved”, that’s just getting more minutes.
    I know he’s probably the favorite, but I hate when dudes win the award just cause they’re getting more burn and thus putting up bigger stats, as opposed to those that actually DID improve on their game.
    If I gotta keep it real, Derrick Rose is the most improved player this year.
    But he’ll get the MVP most likely, so it’s all good.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I actually would give it Rose too, I was just saying Love is gonna win it, cuz he will. It should be Rose or Dorrel Wright IMO

  • tRay

    @Enigmatic idk I think Aaron Afflalo or Jr. Smith have put their names in the convo but I agree that if Rose didn’t get the MVP then he should get the MIP

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Quite a few years back, Kobe Bryant had said something to the effect that he believes that a player should visualize how they see themselves on the court. So, assuming that he in fact “visualizes” himself in his own way, maybe he does see himself… wagging his tongue, the jaw, etc. Even if it is or isn’t viewed by some to be authentic. I don’t know, the man is a BALLER. Period. A top hand full in NBA History.
    He can do that.
    Now, if Luke Ridnour, or somebody switched up and seemed like they became another personality to some, then THAT to me, would be funny.

  • T-Money

    BC: Nope – it’s very narcissistic. It looks a lot cooler than a jaw jut, though. But that’s just me… What I find weird sometimes is how fan needs to defend EVERYTHING their favorite player does. Relax, Kobe is just a man and he does some dorky stuff from time to time. The jaw jut is extra corny, it happens. The fake pics before games were extra corny too and Bron wisely let that go, along with the dancing on the court. It’s not because you like a player that you have to like everything about him as a person.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OK, I was just checking…
    I know people like to rip Kobe for being an MJ clone and they also enjoy accusing him of doing things for attention; and I know that he didn’t play last night and the subject matter was Bean because he did play, but in the spirit of consistency, LBJ has exhibited far more narcissistic behavior in 8 years than Kobe has in 14.
    And that’s not me ripping Bron or defending Kobe, I just think it’s the truth.
    Oh, I do think he’s more concerned at this point with trying to surpass Jordan to cement his own legacy as opposed to trying to win for his team, but that’s the person he’s been his entire career. Always trying to outdo, always wanting people to know that he was there and always wanting to have his name in the conversation.
    Let’s be honest, MJ set the bar high as hell in the modern era of basketball and you have to respect the fact that Kobe is actually making an attempt to try and go over it, even if he doesn’t always go about it the “right way.”
    And I don’t think that’s always a bad thing, but in a team sport like basketball, it can be a detriment, but the bottom line is this: you can’t knock a guy for just flat out wanting to be great. I can respect that about him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The chances of Kobe doing away with his “Rabies Face” are about the same as the Jersey Shore getting rid of the fist pump

  • T-Money

    The funny thing actually is that Kobe and LeBron have much more in common than their fans will let you believe. They are both extremely arrogant, cocky and self-absorbed, they just express in different ways. Kobe wants to set himself apart from the crowd and not mingle to show everybody everybody who’s boss. LeBron wants to be in the crowd, directing traffic and showing people what time it is. That’s how they operated in the Redeem Team too: Kobe mostly by himself, just directing and LeBron constantly barking orders in the thick of things. In the end, they both want to stand out.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Cosign that BC

  • T-Money

    “LBJ has exhibited far more narcissistic behavior in 8 years than Kobe has in 14.” See, THAT’s hating. It’s not factual, consistent nor objective. And you just prove it in your 2nd para. And you make a false counter: nobody ever knocked Kobe for wanting to be great and nobody is disrespecting him for trying to be great. But it’s very transparent right now that Kobe only wants to win if he gets the accolades to put him in the proverbial discussion with MJ. He would kill himself if the Lakers win a title and Pau is the Finals MVP. Him being narcissistic, phony and aloof has nothing to do with trying to be great. Different components of his make up.

  • Nella

    I’d agree with Bryan. Bill Simmons, while I don’t agree with a lot of his stuff, seems to be dead on with Kobe. He’d like to be MJ, but can’t shut the room down like him. That’s his biggest difference, Kobe is not ‘cool’ like MJ was. He’s awkward and more rehearsed. Even now Jordan is the center of attention of any room he walks in, and in his last few years people were more or less kissing the ring.

  • Nella

    Another good analysis he had: Russell and MJ were about winning, Wilt was about stats, Nique was about making sure you left impressed with his highlights, and Dr. J and Kobe were about making sure you knew they were great. Sometimes ‘greatness’ and ‘winning’ overlap, but not always. I’m reminded of this when Kobe sometimes overdribbles and doesn’t make the smart pass in crunch time. And I like Kobe.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, how am I hating? I think I was fairly objective, actually.
    There’s a difference between being narcissistic in the way of accomplishments and being narcissistic just for the sake of having people look at you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @Nella, this may just be personal preference/opinion, but I have never looked at MJ and thought “that’s a cool dude!”. I realize that “cool” is an intangible, and is pretty subjective. I believe MJ’s “coolness” was simply a media creation that took on a life of its own once the winning began. The media went to great lengths to preserve the idea that MJ was otherworldly, and to be deified, and that continues to this day. As a Wizards fan, I had a front row view of how the local media refused to acknowledge that MJ did more harm than good to the Wizards, and largely to serve his own ego.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I will say that MJ was savvy enough to not do anything to f@ck up the media’s portrayal of him. Kobe, unfortunately for him, is not that savvy, and operates in a completely different era, media-wise.

  • Nella

    @KulchaKris: Point taken. And yes, I agree that part of that portrayal was him being savvy enough to say the right things. Kobe went from imitating MJ’s tone/inflection, to morphing into this cold, ‘can’t be bothered’ type of competitor, both of which get a lot of scrutiny because they seem so scripted.

  • JTaylor21

    There’s a difference between doing something or creating a style to garner attention and blatantly copying what another person perfected in an attempt to receive equal attention and respect.
    Looks like some of the so-called experts on this site are having a hard time differentiating between the two.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    KulchaKris, when MJ played, he made EVERYBODY a lot of money, especially in the media. Write an article about him or put his face on something and it sold like crazy.
    The era he played in wasn’t an era like today’s where people are crazy obsessed with dirt and it sells. Back then, people couldn’t get enough of reading and hearing about how great he was and how much of a good person he was, etc.
    It wasn’t until later that people realized that he was an a-hole and then they got upset about it because they felt that they’d been tricked all those years.
    But it didn’t matter at that point because the money had already been made…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LeBron is a raging egomaniac.
    But what does that have to do with Kobe?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. If you ask me, whether you respect him for it or think it’s lame or corny or whatever, Kobe’s imitation of Michael Jordan has allowed him to achieve similar levels of success in the game of basketball and his place among the greats in the game is cemented.
    MJ and his achievements obviously served as an inspiration and made Kobe aspire to “Be like Mike.” And don’t think for one second that any kid who came up in the Jordan era playing basketball didn’t try to copy what he did. Kobe was just the only one who could actually pull it off.
    Besides, it could’ve been worse. He could’ve tried to emulate his dad. But then we wouldn’t be talking about him as much.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bottom line, a huge segment of the NBA consists of people you would not like to hang around in real life.
    Here’s the kicker, that describes much of the world.
    It’s not like “cool” or “good” folks make up the majority of the people roaming the Earth.
    Let’s be real.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @JTaylor21, point taken. It’s not easy being original, otherwise everyone would do it. @BC, count me among the tricked. During MJ’s heyday, I was just young and naive enough to believe all I heard/read/saw of MJ. Fact is, most of us have no idea who/how NBA players (or any other professional athlete/celebrity/entertainer) really are. So, we make choices about who we like based on relatively limited, and often skewed information. This leads to many of the debates on this and other sites e.g. Kobe is this, Lebron is that, etc.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    So, BC, would it be fair to say that the people who dislike Kobe’s personality AND belittle his achievements on the court as a result, are simply upset/”hating”/disappointed with the fact that he tried to “be like Mike” and failed?

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    I don’t know Allen, I’d like to think those people even out. You take the bad with the good in people and ultimately everyone is at least a little “cool” or “good.”

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Take off the “failed” part,and I’d say you were spot on.

  • sutphin

    I agree %100 with everyone who pointed out that our favorite athletes and celebrities may not always be stand up people. That’s why I find it so hard to understand why cats on this site get so upset if someone says anything that’s not singing the praises of their favorite players. As if it’s not possible for someone with great talent to not be great every other way possible. It’s weird how so many so called grown men catch feelings whenever someone disagrees with their opinion of a player. They’re not gods, folks. Just ball players. We’re not ‘hating’ by bringing it up when it’s relevent.

  • JTaylor21

    Speaking for myself I’m not disappointed with the fact that he tried to “be like Mike” and failed because whether he copies MJ or not, no one can categorize his career as a failure.
    What I’m upset with is the fact that the media has fooled everyone into think that him and MJ are alike in terms of accomplishments and abilities. That’s what irks me; like people are now saying that Kobe is the 2nd greatest player of all-time. What kind of ish is that? Are we just going to ignore what Magic, Bird, Kareem and numerous other greats did and place Kobe above them? No one in the right mind thinks that Kobe’s better than those guys but it seems like those people are the minority.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    In the sense that being “like” somebody doesn’t mean you were able to match or exceed their achievements, but you came close, sure. I think it will be interesting to see (if we all live long enough), if a player is MJ’s equal, or is able to exceed his achievements, how will we as fans react? Will we accept his greatness, or will we search for anything (no matter how trivial) to reduce his stature next to MJ?

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @JTaylor21, that’s no different than the ESPN special that crowned MJ the greatest athlete of all time. This “coronation” completely ignored the fact that, for example, Wayne Gretzky revolutionized a sport, and holds every meaningful record in that sport. How many people have you heard definitively state that MJ is the greatest basketball player ever, as if there’s no room for debate? Kareem dominated, I repeat dominated basketball at every level. But to some, he’s not even in the discussion.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I think people have said that Kobe is the 2nd greatest “shooting guard” of all time.
    I tend to think that’s a fair and accurate assessment.
    But that’s just me. I’m an unabashed MJ and Kobe fan and I think Bean is the “closest” to Mike that we’ve seen in terms of style of play and on-court accomplishments.
    So to be clear, I’m not saying that Kobe is the “same” or as “good as” or “just like” MJ, but he’s damn close. There’s no denying that. At least not in my eyes.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    JT, I hear ya, but just don’t listen to the idiotic fans or the people with inferior knowledge of the game. I love Kobe’s game and put him in my top 10 easy. But anyone who has him above No. 5 should not be allowed to have a top-10 list, and five is a stretch. I’d put him around seven or eight, with the ability to get himself into that five position with a another ring and some more records.

  • Nella

    Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I have to agree with JTaylor. It’s easier for the media to generalize ‘Kobe’s going for 6 rings, Michael had 6 rings! They’re equals!!!’. What they don’t see were the other accolades which are too numerous to mention, and the hardcore people on this site don’t need them recited to them again.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Greatest athlete of all-time is Ali. That is not debatable.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    In the mags Top 500 issue, MJ was #1 and Kobe was #10. The only SG ranked higher was Big O which is cool because if a guy averages a triple double, you have to put him in your Top 10.
    And since I didn’t actually see Oscar Robertson play, I can’t comment on him like that, but I saw MJ and Kobe and as far as SG’s go, Mike is #1 and Kobe is #2, based on what I’ve actually seen.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Didn’t Oscar play the majority of his career as a 1? Kobe being second best 2 ever sounds right to me.

  • http://slamonline.com MichaelG

    @ Sutphin,

    You said:

    sutphin Posted: Mar.23 at 12:09 pm
    Kobe’s jaw thing has to be a freaking joke. He’s a winner for sure, but have you ever seen anybody so focused on creating their own ‘myth’? The public post-game workouts, jaw thingy, and the self given nickname. He’s annoying.

    So, YOU questioned weather theres ever been ANYONE in the history of sports or mankind that has ever been more focused on creating thier own myth? Then you got all butt hurt when people actually gave you viable examples of idividuals. Exposing the flaw in your reasoning. Rather than come up with an actual response you typically reply with defensive name calling “groupies”. Opinions are like noses, everbody has them. Sometimes they are based on logic, tangible proof, ect. Sometimes its as simple as bias or emotion. Typically hating is based on bias and emotion. Wich becomes evident when one cannot produce an argument that includes logic, and proof. Your comments are an example of this.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Me personally, I always thought Big O was 2 that just handled the ball a lot.

  • http://slamonline.com MichaelG

    @ Nicolas Flemming: clearly your opinion is what matters most to you. And thats most people, but according to your reasoning Scoop Mutha f*cking Jackson should not be allowed to have a top 10 list. So, please get off the high horse ok? and BTW that comment about were you’d have Kobe IF… he wins more rings ect…was earily similar to one made by Bill Simmons, just saying.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @Nicolas Fleming – even saying Ali’s the greatest boxer of all time is debatable.
    Many experts would take Rocky Marciano or someone else.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I had an NBA Legends Video growing up, watched it hundreds of times, that’s why I was under the impression he was a 1, he was the guy that created a style of play for Magic (according to Magic), and for Penny Hardaway (when the video came out Penny was in year 3, so he was “on his way”). But that video tabbed Penny as a 1 also, and he really was more of a two that handled the ball a lot, like a SG version of LeBron (just in the role he played) so I feel you.

  • sutphin

    @MichaelG: None of those “examples”, which didn’t even properly counter my argument, disproved anything I said. Lebron’s obnoxious behavior is just that. That’s not ‘myth making’. It’s just annoying. The only people getting “butt hurt” (whatever the hell that means) are the kids on this site upset at valid criticisms of a player’s personality. You got emotional, questioning my age because you didn’t like my statements about Kobe. Based on your reaction it is much more fitting that I called you a groupie than you calling me a ‘seed’. If I named reasons and examples to support my opinion–that many people share– how is that not proof? If anything, YOUR so called examples didn’t fit the topic. Simply naming annoying behaviors of Lebron doesn’t cut it. They have to actually display what I accused Kobe of. Like I said, it’s creepy that you “dudes” take criticism of him so seriously. That’s not ‘hating’…The fact that you’re still using that term in 2011 says a lot btw.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Enigmatic
    I’ve never heard an expert put Marciano over Ali.
    I’ve heard Sugar Ray Robertson, and occassionally Joe Louis, but never, EVER, Rocky Marciano.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I dont care what nobody says, give me Iron Mike all day.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    @MichaelG umm Scoop has Kobe at No. 10. I don’t know how that takes him out of the reasoning for having a top 10 list, but OK. I don’t care what comments I make that are eerily close to Simmons. I don’t think of Bill as the end-all-be-all of basketball knowledge and I would presume many people believe his stock can only rise with more achievements and more rings.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    My point is that when it comes to the “who’s the best of all-time” convo in sports, it’s ALWAYS debatable.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Wayne Gretzky is the best hockey player ever, there isn’t a debate to that is there? – Michael Phelps is the Best Swimmer, same situation right? I think there are some sports with clear cut “GOATS”, but not many

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    And Ali for much more than inside the square circle. Greatness transcends the realms of reality. I still believe he is the best boxer, but the title, “Greatest” carries a little more with it, and that’s where legends are made. It wasn’t just the things he did in the ring, it was the way he changed the way athletes were viewed. As why MJ is the greatest hooper, not necessarily that he could just kill everyone on the court, but because of the storied presence and how he became what he is. The list is long and impressive and at times unbelievable.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    If I knew hockey and swimming, I might be able to toss other names out there.
    But I don’t.

  • http://slamonline.com MichaelG

    I feel like the Gipper cause there you go again. Everybody ELSE is getting emotional, NOT you… except your still herb’d about my hypothetical refrence to your age. And seem more concerned about debating that than the actual subject. Defenition> “butt hurt.” Lol. Im done with ya homie, seeing as i dont care nearly as much about the subject and especially the quality of debate with your a55. its like playing body blows with an amputee.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sugar Ray Robinson. sorry.

  • http://slamonline.com MichaelG

    Nicholas Flemming: Haha,yeah your right about were Scoop has Kobe. I was just fuggin with you to see what your response would be. Whenever cats state thier opinions as law the way you did i cannot resist the urge to challenge it. See whats behind such strong opinion. Same goes for the Bill Comment. I actually agree with you almost completely. I have Kobe around 6 and he’s got allot of work to do to just to catch up to Magic who i have @ #2, IMO.

  • JTaylor21

    Marciano? umm most experts and true boxing fans say that Sugar Ray Robinson’s the GOAT. Ali said that same thing when asked to name the greatest.
    People really need to go check up on some of dude’s accomplishments; he went 85-0!!!as a amateur and for the first 11 yrs of his pro career he went 128-1 with 84 KOs!!!. I could go on and on with all that he accomplished but I would be on here for hours. All you need to know is that Sugar Ray Robinson is the undisputed greatest boxer of all-time.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    But not according to Slic Ric and Nicolas Fleming.

  • sutphin

    Why are you so sensitive? You act as if you sleep with Kobe every night. I mean, YOU initiated the “debate” with me lil man. Scroll up, I think you’ll find where I made my comment and you starting playing the Defender of All Things Kobe. Nobody asked you for your two cents about your idol lmao. And correct if I’m wrong, but didn’t YOU get all up in arms about being called a groupie? What exactly was the actual subject again? Do you even know what it was because you sepnt so much responding to me I’m almost thinking you like me as much as you crush on Kobe Mr. Butt Hurt LOL. Dueces lil guy.

  • sutphin

    One last thing: I’m officially adding “butt hurt” to the list of things grown men shouldn’t be saying in 2011. I’m putting it on top of the terms ‘swag/swagger’ and ‘hating’.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Add dueces too.
    Nah, I say that too much myself. lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    SG almost made me cry to tears when he said “I’m still bumpin that K.O.B.E. by Kobe and Tyra Banks in my car today. That joint goes hard.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *laugh to tears

  • JTaylor21

    That’s why I said “experts” and “true” boxing fans.

  • T-Money

    Nbk, actually, a lot of people say that mario lemieux was better than wayne. His back just let him down.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    I don’t agree with a LOT of what Bryan Crawford says, but Lebron is a lot more narcissistic. It’s a more likable narcissism though.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Anderson Silva: Best MMA fighter ever

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Eh, right now, pound for pound best fighter, yes.
    But Rikson Gracie, Bas Rutten, Fedor Emilianenko, Antonio Rogerio Nogueira and others could be argued for as well.

  • Jackie Moon

    Lebron’s narcissism is so much more likeable than Kobes, ha!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Well, Anderson Silva is probably the most dominant fighter to ever fight in the UFC

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Katarina Witt; hottest figure skater everrrr.
    (i will not discuss this, nope)

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Darksaber, I don’t really follow figure skating so I couldn’t argue if I tried

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    No argument needed, Kati ROCKS. (okay, maybe my opinion is a tiny bit biased due to her posing for playboy years ago, but still….) She is da bestest. :-)
    Honestly though, you should check out some of the acrobatic events at the olympics etc. The things those kids do put bballers to shame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I saw the ’08 Olympics. China was cheating it’s a** off in Gymnastics. Like 3-4 of those girls claimed to be 16 and looked 7-8 years old.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Yeah, they have a history of that nonsense. Diving, gymnastics etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I can’t wait til the next Summer Olympics though, I’m REALLY looking forward to track, even though Jamaica and the US will probably dominate again like always

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    MiChael Gerard Tyson.

  • Logan

    man..y’all still at it? See the great thing about sport and supporting a sporting icon is it blinds a person from listening to anything negative about their ‘hero’. At the same time criticizing a mannerism of someone who is a proven winner borders on nitpicking and ‘not having anything better to do’ category.

    So Kobe does the jaw thing…so what…it looks bad….okay…but look at the box score…yeah….they just won the game.

    Any great athlete is under so much media scrutiny these days that they would be insane not to have planned an image to project…

  • Logan

    yeah it was awesome how Chinese officials put up a straight face which was like ‘huh…underage? what are you talking about? they are just petite!’

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Anderson Silva. GOAT. (Though I’m both die hard St. Pierre and Anderson fan.)

  • Lakers are pretty good!

    The Lakers turn into this offensive juggernaut when Bynum doesn’t play. When Bynum is in they become this defensive force! If they stay healthy they’re gonna be tough again in the playoffs!

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    Ron Artest may be Kobe’s best teammate to date. And all those “critics” (see “Hater” in Websters Dictionary) that said it wouldn’t work out. The man is a greatly underrated basketball player.

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