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Monday, March 21st, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  142 responses

Post Up: Kobe Leads Lake Show

L.A. downs Portland; Knicks knocked out in Milwaukee.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Milwaukee 100, New York 95

Not long after the Bucks appeared ready to call it a season, they reignited fan excitement by defeating a Knicks squad that looked confused and, at times, overwhelmed. Despite all the talk and player admissions that the ‘Bockers need to man up on the defensive end, they were continually outworked by Milwaukee’s offense, which was led by a strong 30-point, 11-rebound performance from Carlos Delfino. The Knicks’ O didn’t exactly make up for the team’s defensive lapses, as it shot 38.6 percent and received just 26 collective points from every player not named Stoudemire, Billups or Anthony. Brandon Jennings‘ almost triple-double (14 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists) was vital, and his clutch J in the final minute helped seal things up, as Milwaukee moved back to within a game and a half of postseason positioning.

Washington 98, New Jersey 92

So that mini Nets-could-make-the-Playoffs rant I had the other day is moot. Probably should’ve seen that coming. The Wiz shot 51.9 percent from the field and earned a decent home victory, led by John Wall (26 points, 8 dimes) and red-hot rookie Jordan Crawford (21 points). Nets forward Kris Humphries notched a nice 18-and-17 performance in the loss.

Atlanta 104, Detroit 96

Led by Al Horford (18 points), all Hawks starters scored in double figures as ATL held off Detroit and picked up the win. The Hawks’ six-game homestand ends tomorrow against the top-ranked Bulls.

Phoenix 108, L.A. Clippers 99

Something about this clip sums up the entire game. Or maybe I was just looking for an excuse to link to that video. Either way. Blake Griffin dropped 17, but was mostly contained, as he fouled out in the middle of the fourth and watched from the sidelines as his team was defeated by the Steve Nash-led Suns. Nash had 23 points and 13 assists, while Channing Frye contributed 19 points in the win.

Sacramento 127, Minnesota 95

I’m using this space for some much-needed Samuel Dalembert appreciation. Dude put up 26 points and 17 rebounds, leading the Kings over the Wolves with yet another fantasy hoops explosion. All I’m saying is, if Dalembert is a free agent in your fantasy league, your fantasy league isn’t much of a fantasy league at all. Sorry if that offends. Also, Marcus Thornton with the 23-8-9 near-triple-double. Pick him up while you’re at it, too.

Houston 110, Utah 108

Competing for the ninth spot and the rights to still not be in position to make the postseason, the Rockets knocked off the Jazz behind Kyle Lowry‘s first triple-double (28-11-10) of the year. Kevin Martin also added 34, and Houston pulled a W despite shooting just 40.2 percent from the floor. They also won despite allowing all five Utah starters to score in double figures, led by Paul Millsap, who dropped 35 and snatched 10. Also, Al Jefferson: 17 points, 19 rebounds.

Toronto 95, Oklahoma City 93

Putting himself in the right place at the right time, Amir Johnson finished a lay-in that fell through with just 1.3 seconds to go, which would turn out to be the game-winning bucket that closed a tight, back-and-forth contest in OKC. The Thunder attempted a counter by inbounding the ball to Kevin Durant (20 points, 5 boards), but his turnaround J was way off, and his squad fell to a weak Toronto team. Andrea Bargnani and James Harden both scored the game-high of 23.

Dallas 101, Golden State 73

The Mavs turned a 13-point lead into a 28-point one in the final quarter, cruising to the home victory and getting the team back on track after a rough loss to in-state rival Spurs. Dirk Nowitzki led all players with 20, while the Warriors were just dreadful in many, many aspects of basketball yesterday. (Though they did outscore Dallas in in the paint, 28-24, somehow.) The Mavericks have one more home contest against the TWolves on Thursday before they hit the road; the Warriors are off to San Antonio tonight.

L.A. Lakers 84, Portland 80

After sputtering during the second and third quarters, the Lakers—and Kobe Bryant, more than anyone—came alive in the final segment, making the needed stops and hitting clutch jumpers when they counted most. Derek Fisher drained a J with 10 ticks remaining that sealed it up, and the Lakers earned their fourth win in as many games. Kobe led L.A. with 20; Nicolas Batum dropped the game-high of 25.

Last Call: The aforementioned Blake Griffin almost-highlight:

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  • http://slamonline.com Jesse

    This is the first time I see Blake expressing some sort of emotion.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    I bet all those ‘Lakers are done’ ‘Kobe is done’ fans will keep quiet today. I hate the Lakeshow but even I recognize only the C’s are on their level. Sorry Bulls and Heat fans. Your regular season wins won’t matter soon.

  • bill breedley

    blake is a bad bad man

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Zoom, how about Spurs fans? And the Knicks really look bad, no defense and no halfcourt offense. Their points come off of fast breaks and those require defensive stops, something that is not in Melo or Stoudemire’s vocabulary. If I’m a top seed east team, I’m worried way more about the Sixers (heck, even the Pacers with Psycho T) than the Knicks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I predict a very quiet day in TPU. The Heat didn’t play, which probably means many prominent commenters will be silent. @zoom, as for the Lakers, I was quick to dismiss their chances last year, when they ended the season on a 2-7 run. Having learned my lesson, this year I will remain silent on their postseason chances.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe was a beast down the stretch last night, the Lakers as a group are in championship mode.
    Bron has been playing out of his mind lately, shooting almost 60%. Some of his moves are on auto-pilot, his jab-step jumper is on, his step/slide back off one dribble is on, and he is making shots off of the P/R and off of more than once bounce. When he makes those shots (off of multiple dribbles and P/R), there is nothing the defence can do.

  • Sparker

    brutal call

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ Caboose: A) I’ve never made excuses for my squad’s defensive shortcomings B) Psycho-T had another monster game after our loss so give the man credit. C) I didn’t mention the Spurs because they’re more comp for the Lakers than the Bulls or Heat BUT they’re not making it to the finals over them. It’s not happening. Plus, their fans aren’t delusional d-bags like the other two teams I listed so taking a shot at them would be pointless.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Sorry zoom, didn’t know you were a Knicks guy, didn’t mean anything by the comments, just my view. And the Hansborough comment was to prove that he can dominate against any team, not just NY. And true, Spurs fans are pretty understated.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Zoom, of f*cking course regular seasons wins wont matter soon to the Heat and Bulls, are you familair with the playoffs? Everyone gets a fresh start. It’s fine if you support your team to the fullest but you don’t have to disregard everybody else’s favorite team. The Heat have beat the Lakers twice and the Bulls beat them too this season. There’s absolutely NO reason for you to think they can’t do it again.

  • http://bugmarley.com Leonel

    Timofey,you’re no longer alone.

  • T-Money

    Asking writers and analysts to constantly predict the future is ruining basketball conversations. We want opinions on the MVP race and the championship in August! How can anyone have any certainty on what will happen in the playoffs? I’m more than okay with journalists breaking news and analyzing basketball issues. That Nostradamus ish is for the herbs.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    You can’t make that charging call. Gortat’s arms were slightly extended. That alone is reason enough to leave that dunk alone. That was Blake’s 6th foul too. Come on!

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ Jahmai you have to admit that the Lakers were being written off on this site mostly by guys who support those two teams. I’m not a Laker fan; far far from it. Just pointing out how ridiculous those comments were about their demise.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    T-Money, what are you referencing with that, is there something I have missed?

  • T-Money

    I was using Zoom’s comment as a launching pant for my morning rant.

  • T-Money

    launching pad*

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    That’s almost as bad as a college charge. Challenge the freaking shot big fellow! Man, I hate when people take charges on plays like that.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If you get dunked on, it should not be a charge. I’ll take that opinion to the grave with me.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Examples of this being Rick Davis/Kobe Bryant on Steve Nash. For a PG who isn’t known for playing D, he has been on a lot of posters.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Co-sign AllBall at 9:52a

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    RODDY! (legs look to be coming back, fine by me. Time to banish Terry-shrinks-against-top-teams anyway)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dark, you think your boys can fight their way back into the 2nd spot or is the third seed the vogue spot for Team Dallas and Team Miami this season?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Clutch buckets from clutch dudes down the stretch. Fish always comes through at the end. Portland is always a tuff team to beat thanks to Nate McMillan. I remember only a few years back when he was coaching my Sonics to 52 wins. Sigh* Those were the days.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    F*ck the Knicks.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Wait, did you say “My Sonics”?
    And now your name is Lake Show?
    GTFOH

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ Bryan, I feel you. Once D’Antoni is gone, positive things will start to happen.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Doubtful. It’s the players. They are pathetic. Amare is a joke of a superstar. Initially I was annoyed that they signed this joker as their savior and then I jumped on his stupid bandwagon like a tool when he played well against bad teams. I was wrong. I should have went with my gut and original opinion, Amare Stoudemire is not a leader. He only goes hard when he has the ball in his hands. Unfortunately that can also be said about Melo. I’m not professional athlete, but I know when I play someone who isn’t on my level. When that happens you crush them. Don’t even give people a reason to doubt your status. Right now Tyler f*cking Hansbrough owns Amare Stoudemire. That’s pathetic and embarrassing. The problem is he doesn’t give a sh*t. Neither does Melo and now it’s trickling down to the rest of the guys. Yeah Mike D needs to go, not because he’s not a good coach, but because he’s lost these guys. I feel worse about this Knicks team than any other time in my life. Yeah I know the record is better, but at least in years past people played hard. They showed some pride for the jersey they were wearing. These guys have no pride and no guts. Cut em all.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    E: Mavs are having a great season imo. All losses lately have been close, single digit affairs. Was hoping the resilient Blazers could hand LA a loss but alas, they failed.
    Dallas can catch LA, but not sure if Carlisle will push the team hard enough for that spot. He still hasn’t figured out that Roddy/Marion/Dirk/Chandler/Haywood are his strongest unit against LA and he has not found a role for Brewer yet.
    You seem to have accepted the Heat finishing 3rd.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    lol.
    LOL.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ Bryan: Good coaches care about defense. Sorry but I will never agree that D’Antoni is a good coach. BScott would be better. As for the players, I winced at the $100 million price tag Amare came with. Rudy Gay money would have been more appropriate. Never thought Melo was a great fit because he needs a caoch to light a fire under his butt to play D. Plus he and Stat are both stats guys. They matter more than winning to these two. I see this going the way of Stat-Marion unless they get a better coach. They should have gotten him as a FA. If we were were going to trade Chandler, Gallo, Mozgov and Felton it should’ve been in the offseason. We could have gotten back better, more complimentary pieces. Things will improve. Stat and Melo have no idea of the backlash they’d face from NYers if they don’t try to make it work.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If they’re not #1, #2 or #3 won’t change their fortunes much.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Meaning: they’re still going to play more road games in the second and third round, so it is what it is. I’ve said all season I love this team when they play on the road. I like them a lot when they play at home. They just play more focused basketball away from Miami, in general.

  • T-Money

    Amar’e LOOKS tougher than a guy like Bosh because he dunks hard and scowls a lot. In reality, he’s a pu–y. Bosh shows harder on screens, rebounds better and he’s a much more willing defender. I was really nervous at the start of the year when STAT was killing that Miami made the wrong choice (even though the data was showing that STAT was just getting more shots). I’m glad they went with Bosh – Amar’e would be b-tching about touches and not playing any D.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    I had some loaded comments for last weekend’s TPU, especially after Mavs shot higher FG%, outrebounded and shot more FT than Portland (too bad they had more turnovers….) but the wlan at my hotel in Phuket kinda blocked ‘em. (or slamonline was iffy again). The Mavs have lost at least 5 games this season due to the combo of Carlisle (lineups & adjustments), Kidd being a non-factor in crunchtime and Terry (Mavs player who just makes me froth at the mouth with rage) bricking open shots when things are tight. So Brewer can’t get more than 9 mins a game (he was playing much more for Wolves) but Terry keeps being the 6th man?
    At least Brewer could matchup with any opposing 2′s and get steals etc.

  • T-Money

    D’Antoni has to catch some blame for playing guys like Shawne Williams and Jared Jeffries at center against, say, Dwight. That’s insane.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, oh now you hate charges but not too long ago you were arguing that charges were good for the game. I see now that you have come to your senses, I die a little inside every time a big man decides to flop aka take a charge, it ruins the game when bigs stop trying to block shots.
    We have guys like Floppy Divac to thank. There’s a reason why true shot-blockers are extinct in today’s game.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    I like Brandon Roy, but the Blazers of today are better without him. Tade him to some above average center in the offseason (Bogut).

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    Lived in LA and in Seattle AP. I like how u completely band wagon the Heat and still think u can talk ish. get real fella

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    JTaylor
    I think you have me confused with someone else. I’ve never supported charges by big men. Ever. And I don’t like charges by little guys that much either.
    Sometimes taking a charge makes sense, like when somebody is OC driving into the lane. But, on the play above, you need to just challenge the shot or get out of the way.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Lakeshow
    Oh, I’m sorry, I suppose it makes perfect sense to call the Sonics “my sonics” and at the same time have the name “Lakeshow.”
    There is nothing strange about this, nothing that appears to brazenly violate all known rules of “true” fandom.
    And it’s fine if you consider me a bandwagon fan. But what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

  • Riggs

    dont trust dalemberts fantasy numbers, he’s done it against teams with no centers.

  • JTaylor21

    Aight my fault. Must have confused you with someone else probably Jukai.

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    Cause the sonics are still a team right…. It killed me the day the sonics left. Thanks for the salt in the wound man. You slam guys are real d*cks sometimes. You’ve obviously never lost a team like that. Go ahead and band wagon the heat for no reason at all tho bro. thats tight….

  • MUBWAR

    T-money I’ve been saying this the whole time. Amar’e is not on bosh’s level. He doesn’t give the energy to defend. He wants to be considered a superstar and would want to share a spotlight with Bron and Wade. And he doesn’t have that sweet sweet lefty J.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Can we just say (to be fair in the sake of comparison) that both Bosh and Amar’e are flawed players who probably DO NOT deserve the max deals they received.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I still think Amar’e is a max player just on the strength that he’s more of a superstar in the NBA. You sign him and people are going to fill the seats. It’s not that way with Bosh.
    Obviously they’re both flawed, but if anyone is a max guy between the two, it’s STAT.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You really think fans would come out to see Amar’e like they would Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Dwight, Rose? He ain’t all that…let’s not be silly. I think people are filling the stands in other teams arenas to see Melo first, then Amar’e. If you ain’t the biggest draw on your team, you ain’t at that level. I do agree that Bosh is a step below him, though….probably making Bosh a third tier star.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    In hindsight, I’d say none of the free agent power forwards deserved all the money they got this summer.
    Bosh is soft.
    Amare can’t rebound or defend.
    Boozer can’t stay healthy and is almost always outplayed by other top 4’s.
    David Lee’s stats have all fallen across the board, despite playing for a team where just about everyone else posts career highs.
    But, teams needed fours and the money was there.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Amar’e was filling the seats in the Garden before Melo got there, E. I can’t speak for any other arenas, but in MSG, definitely he was a draw.

  • MUBWAR

    I still don’t get how Bosh is below Amar’e. Before this year Bosh was feasting on Stoudemire’s so called STAT. Check NBA.com and let’s stop with the buffoonery.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    I agree that ALL the “big name” PF’s that got new deals last summer are overpaid. Stat should’ve gotten $80 million max. Not a penny over. Bosh too. Booz and Lee rebound but don’t defend. They’re overpaid too. Team owners are totally at fault, though.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    The Blazers game was like an entry pass to J.J. Hickson – they had it, but it slipped away.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    I’m all for players getting lucrative deals. I’m pro-player when it comes to the business side of the league, but tying up excessive amounts of money on one guy so that other players can’t get paid well to help the team win is silly. That’s on management’s shoulders. $100 million for STAT is excessive.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    zoom, if the Knicks hadn’t come away with someone last summer after basically being the favorites to land LeBron for the last two years until basically the offseason, it would not have been good for them.
    $100 million is too much, but I think they’d rather pay that than end up empty-handed like the Nets did (at the time).

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    And can someone please explain to me why the fluck the Bulls signed John Lucas III and Jannero Pargo?
    Anyone? BC?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    Are the Lakers still in trouble like everybody said a couple of weeks ago? That’s what I want to know.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Adam Figman

    Enigmatic..email me back! I’m trying to hook you up with this MJ jersey over here…

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ Enigmatic: I totally understand the reasoning, but in reality they’d have ended up better if they got two really good players for his price.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @Adam – Awesome!
    The email that shows up for me on here no longer works…I just use it on here due to the security issues with others occasionally being able to view your personal info.
    Anyways, please email me at enigmaticone47@yahoo.com
    Which also isn’t my personal email but I just opened it for this purpose.
    And thanks SLAM!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    @AllenP *crickets* wow. u got nothing man. You band wagoned the Heat…. wow.

  • T-Money

    BC: I think MSG sells itself though – wasn’t it sold out too when they were absolutely terrible? Amar’e is a more exciting player than Bosh for sure but people don’t pay to see either of them, I think. I tought that Bosh was the better player last year when he was doing 24-11 and I think Bosh is still the better player now. / I think they both deserve the max. It’s just that guys like Wade and Bron can’t be paid at their actual value because of the cap.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @BC – NYK was selling seats before Amar’e got there. THey were like top 10 in attendance every year since their last playoff appearance weren’t they?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Enigmatic, Pargo has been working out at the Berto rehabbing his knee for a while now, so he’s been around the team. And both him and Lucas are great locker room guys.
    They could be used to give guys some rest during the stretch run, but I don’t see any other value outside of those things.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Congrats on the win, Enig!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Enigmatic:
    Congrats on the Jordan Jersey.
    I’m officially a hater. lol

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    BC, I get that. But two point guards?
    Sure, Pargo can play off the ball, but he’s undersized at 6’1″.
    Anyways, ultimately I guess it doesn’t matter. It seems they’ll be playing the Jack Haley role.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And I’m actually the one who is for charges, and still am, always will be. Refs enjoy calling a foul anytime a vertically challenged player attempts to block a shot. I’m not for flopping at all, but charges are part of the game, always have been, and always should be. Or else we would just have LeBron James running straight through everyone on every possession. The threat of a charge also keeps ball handlers mindful and under control. Charges as weird as it sounds, prevent injury

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @E and Philo – thanks, y’all.
    I’m already looking for a dope jersey frame or shadowbox and plan to hang it up next to my autographed Derrick Rose jersey.
    Go Bulls!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money & nbk, the buzz and the excitement in New York was ridiculous when Amar’e signed with the Knicks. Yeah the Garden still had sellout crowds when the team was bad, but I think that’s just because New Yorkers love basketball and they really know the game, more than anything else.
    Fans are diehard in NYC, not fairweather at all.
    Like Bryan stated earlier, and he’s a HUGE Knick fan, the hope for the franchise was restored when STAT signed, and to me, that’s what a max guy SHOULD do.
    You can’t sit here and tell me that Knick fans would’ve been just as excited had Chris Bosh signed. No way…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Why wouldn’t they have been just as excited? If Walsh got his way that’s who they would have signed, and before this season it was a consensus that Bosh was a better player both now and in the future. So why wouldn’t they have been just as excited about Bosh? Because he doesn’t revel in the spotlight like Amar’e does? Serious question

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Idiotic comment, Bron. You’re Heat hate knows no bounds….even when they’re used in hypothetical situations.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I think they woulda been hella excited for Bosh too.
    I won’t lie. He was my top choice at PF for the Bulls last summer.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Because New York likes big name guys. Stars, if you will. It doesn’t matter what the “consensus” said about who the better player was, the Knicks wanted/needed a star(s) to re-energize that franchise and the fan base.
    Chris Bosh could barely handle the scrutiny in Miami, do you honestly think he would’ve been able to make it in New York? Come on…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If anything (and I’m not defending Bosh here since I’m not too thrilled with him this season)Bosh would have the “swag” to talk a ton of sh*t about how he could change a lousy franchise (since he did in Toronto)and make them a playoff team, as the lead guy. STAT had none of that on his resume…he worked in tandem with Nash to make Phoenix a perennial playoff team. There was no doubt who ran the ship there…and his 4 letter name didn’t start with an “S”.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Bosh would have sold tickets.
    Even if for the fans to give him the “Isiah Thomas” treatment if things got rough.
    I could be wrong, but I believe that New York fans would have loved to clown Bosh. The press in my opinion, would have loved to get in on him too.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I didn’t mention the Heat one time, nor was I thinking about them. I don’t know where that came from…
    And I wasn’t really that high on Bosh at all for the Bulls this summer. I just think he’s too soft. I really wanted DWade. But I was pleased with the Boozer signing because even though he doesn’t play D, you can’t go wrong with a guy who gets 20 & 10 nightly.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    THere is no logical reason to think NYK is having or would have more success with Amar’e then with Bosh. None. They are barely over .500, Toronto was less talented last season then NYK is/was all year this year, and they finished 40-42. Unless you think Bosh would have folded under the pressure, I mean like he ever folded as the man in the past? Wait a second, about 22 and 9 for 5 straight years like clockwork until he got to Miami? your probably right

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I just feel like it takes a certain type of player/person to run in New York. Amar’e has that swag, Chris Bosh doesn’t.
    Not to me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Don’t play dumb, B.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Kobe Bryant = Kevin Garnett!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Amar’e is playing his swag cards incredibly well leading his team and barely playing .500 ball.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I see

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I just wanted Bosh because I knew he was the least injury-prone and the youngest of the three (Bosh, Boozer, STAT).

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Miss me with those stats, nbk. I swear man, a lot of you dudes are just numbers CRAZY. As if that’s the only thing that matters in this game.
    And since when is the pressure in Toronto the equivalent to the pressure of NYC? Whatever…

  • MUBWAR

    So New York is all about HYPE and PERSONA more then actual talents and hard work. That seems about right since they signed Amar’e and Melooooo

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @Bryan 10:36 : Amen!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I don’t think they care any less about winning, Mubwar, but yeah, I tend to think that’s their mindset when it comes to signing players.
    The Isiah Thomas era notwithstanding…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bryan Crawford when ever has a guy who put up all star numbers every year of their career ever switched cities and become a bum? Numbers tell you a lot whether you want to admit it or not, like for instance I knew Amar’e was overrated because of how inefficient he is on defense. I have known for 5 years now that Amar’e is not a max guy, and one of the worst defensive 4′s in the NBA. And watching every game of his career for the first 9 years is not what told that, its numbers. Numbers are what have to be used against people who think their opinion is superior to facts to show everyone else that just because one person has a strong opinion doesn’t mean its even close to right. You keep your opinion that’s based on how you think a person you have never met would perform in a situation that is likely no more stressful then the one he is in now. But whatever, your right, stats are completely useless, its not like they have a yearly conference that is the biggest non-player related basketball event of the year, which is attended by a representative by all 30 teams focusing on just stats….

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    They really have “a yearly conference that is the biggest non-player related basketball event of the year, which is attended by a representative by all 30 teams focusing on just stats”?
    Damn, bunch of nerds…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    If it can be manipulated into saying whatever you want it to say to prove your point, then no, I don’t put a whole lot of stock into that. You can if you so choose, but I’ll just go with my instincts. I’ve had to rely on those since way before this anyalytics crap in basketball hit the scene and became all the rage.
    And I think it’s widely accepted amongst anybody who follows sports that New York is one of the toughest places that you can play as a professional athlete. To dismiss that as being nothing more than my opinion is foolish.
    And I could care less about that nerd conference you speak of. A room full of guys that couldn’t make a layup if you gave ‘em a basketball is hardly impressive to me.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    It also had a lot to do with the fact that Amare WANTED to come to NY badly. Even before he was a FA I remember him being extra public with the hints (the whole Yankee thing etc). The city would have embraced Bosh if he wanted to play here but his (I hate this term) swag wouldn’t have been the same as Amare. Although I think Bosh is a slightly better player, he’s too soft and his personality is too blah to generate the same buzz Amare did.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Word to zoom, the NEW YORKER…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well first of all Bryan most of those guys work for an NBA team, and you work for Slam Magazine. I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t hold most of their jockstraps, and if you could with some of them, I’m sure they would find someone with their use of their nerd brains that would wipe the floor with you and your opinion. And I didn’t pass NY off, I said it can’t be much more stressful then where he is playing now, you know, in Miami, where he is just barely less efficient then in years past and being booed everywhere he goes on the road, and barely has anyone showing up before the 2nd quarter at home. And regardless, I’m pretty sure I have more basketball playing experience then you, and I would absolutely love to get a player/scouting perspective from anyone at the Sloan conference, but hey, I also don’t think that a job where you give your opinion about basketball means you actually know what your saying better then people who have been playing it literally their entire lives, so what do i know.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Absolutely nothing…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The only Sloan Conference I’d go to is the one that involves Jerry.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    wew I was worried for a second, I knew I couldn’t possibly know anything, I just got a little confused when you said you’d rather have an often injured money hungry, struggles against anyone tall 4, over a player 3 years younger, that plays some semblance of defense, and isn’t in it just for the overpriced paycheck. I must be crazy

  • MUBWAR

    Here is the Stats STAT allowed opposing PF or C this year:
    Love 31 and 31
    Griffin 44, 15 and 7 dimes
    Love(again) 35 and 15
    B. Lopez 36 and 36
    Howard 25 and 18
    Howard 30, 16 and 6 swats
    Psycho T dropped 59 points on Amar’e

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I never said I’d like to have a player like that, I said New York would. Lay off the algorithm’s for a sec, will ya, and let’s try reading for comprehension.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually that’s Carlos Boozer I just described all knowing OZ

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    STAT with defense oriented system, and a Dalembert/Camby-like center would be fine by me. STAT and a D’Antoni system= our current disaster.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That’s actually exactly what you are, the Wizard of Oz, all knowing, all seeing, all powerful, until you realize your just a guy like me with a keyboard, except you have some kind of ridiculous elitist attitude where your job gives you some kind of brain entitlement. knowledge doesn’t come with a paycheck, even though it said paycheck feeds both your stomach and your ego.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Ahhh, I see. You mean Carlos Boozer, starting PF for the No. 1 team in the Eastern Conference? THAT one?
    Yeah, I’ll take him…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Works for me, nbk. I’ll take it…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol, being the starter on a #1 team makes you the best option? So your cool with Keith Bogans then? Its sad that being a fan of a team turns people dumb. If only you could be a fan and still think logically, or at the most, contemplate that maybe just maybe, you could be wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Now, if you gentleman will excuse me… I’m going to go and listen to the new Push T mixtape, Fear of God, now.
    Enjoy the day, gents. And nerds…
    Oh, congrats to the ChiTown homie, Enigmatic, for winning the MJ jersey!! I’m glad it went to somebody from “the crib.”
    Enjoy it display it proudly, my dude!

  • Bruno

    so you are saying you’ll take bosh or boozer over Amare??? damnnn

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Keith Bogans isn’t the greatest player offensively, and sure the Bulls could use some more firepower from the position, but he also doesn’t hurt the team by being on the floor. He’s an excellent on-ball defender. He knows the plays, and he’s a great locker room guy.
    So try again dude… You’ve got an 0′fer going today. You’ll redeem yourself eventually, haha!!!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    NBK
    What does playing experience matter in this debate? Allenp, who is one of the most knowledgeable, logical guys on here, readily admits he never played real “organised” ball.
    I played full time for the better part of 8 years, have played with and against NCAA D1/D2 players (Matthew Bryan-Amaning probably being the most well known) and countless Euro/English pros, that doesn’t automatically mean I know more about ball than Allen.
    I only mention my playing experience so you don’t ask me if I have any, which would probably be a logical reply.
    BC may have plenty of playing experience, but whether he does or doesn’t, i’m sure he learns a lot being at the United Center 41 nights a year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall you know very well I’m not going to bring something irrelevant up, this is why I brought up playing experience, Bryan Crawford Posted: Mar.21 at 2:10 pm – (towards the end of the post) – A room full of guys that couldn’t make a layup if you gave ‘em a basketball is hardly impressive to me. – hence my response

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @BC – no doubt! Chi-Town all day.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What Bryan said about playing experience is irrelevant, so I, as the person who has to get his point across even if I’m talking to a slab of concrete had to point out that playing experience and statistics are not related, a person can know what type of players are successful or what stats to look at that will most likely yield the most success without playing the sport. A person cannot IMO know the intricate details of the sport without playing though, like how physically demanding it is to bang in the post with an elite bigman for 40 minutes, or how hard it is to chase around a richard hamilton type player for an entire game. But they sure can learn what defense is best suited to deal with those situations. Certainly I would rely on them and their data over Bryan and his 41 days a year at the United Center’s worth of opinion

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    It’s a fine line. Playing definitely can increase basketball IQ but I’m sure it can keep some things hidden as well. Whereas not playing but studying and knowing how everything should work can make you knowledgeable, but maybe not as great in situations. We will go with it depends on the person. Mike Leach never played football either and only called eight plays, but most would consider him pretty knowledgeable in terms of football.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I kinda wanna see BC get back at that “Tom White” dude on the “Say Uncle” post from Myles…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Enigmatic, I didn’t see it… Yet.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    NBK
    My bad, I can see why you would go that way with it (your 3:03 comment).

  • Roc

    Kobe had 22, not “20″ as the article states. Source: box score on NBA.com, plus watching the game myself!

  • MUBWAR

    I wonder what every commentator on Slam will be doing with their lives without hoop? Don’t answer yet cause that we won’t have much to talk about next year.;-;

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no stress man, I don’t enjoy using basketball experience in these arguments, I don’t mind it in a discussion type setting, but we are arguing points about the NBA, calling out someone or a group of peoples playing experience in these arguments (which player fits best, is best) doesn’t prove anything, none of us have NBA experience. Also passing off those that the NBA guys trust for insight, scouting (like the guys at the Sloan Conference) as unimportant or irrelevant is not only wrong, its plain stupid. If a member of the Houstn Rockets came up to you and told you Courtney is better then Keith Bogans for these reasons, and then a writer for a magazine comes up and says no Bogans is better because I said so, who would you trust?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    would all the Rajon Rondo is better then Derrick Rose homers please explain to me what’s going on with him?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I trust ME at ALL TIMES, nbk. Eff those numbers…
    Round up 4 of your nerdy Sloan guys and I’ll round up 4 of my guys that hoop and the only thing you geeks will be efficient at is getting blown out. I promise you this.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    BC “my guys” are far from nerds. They actually only watch the NBA in the playoffs, because they themselves are playing ball either for their schools, overseas, or are attempting to get there. I highly doubt you and all your guys are as good as your acting, but whatever, its the internet, act hard. I’m not trying to have a p*ss*ng contest with you. I respect the Sloan guys no logical reason to hate on them, unless you feel your opinion is in jeopardy

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    BC has a point and nbk has a point. I’m the moderator at this point, so I have a point, too. A lot of people get caught up with numbers and stats, but real ball players see little things that stats don’t show. That being said, scouts are taught to look at those things stats don’t show. I’m no slouch on the court, but there are plenty of people better than me, but they can’t teach like me, they can’t coach like me and they can’t evaluate talent like me. Love for the game goes a long way. An emotional event cannot be programmed mathematically, but one can never be too prepared either.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Hey nbk, that goes both ways. But I GUARANTEE you me and my guys will steamroll over anybody that you bring 5-on-5. And this ain’t internet tough talk, I gets it in FOR REAL. I don’t just talk basketball, I live this thing out.
    The easiest thing to do is say that someone is acting “hard” over the internet. I find that the people who lobby those accusations are defensive and sensitive because what’s being said about them is true. But it’s whatever dude…
    Shout out to my man Nic Fleming, BTW.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So you want me to come on here and namedrop? Put my homies from oversees/college names out there so that I look legitimate to you? the guy who thinks his job at slam constitutes him acting like his knowledge of the game is somehow superior to everyone who responds to him? There is nothing for me to prove to you. And you “live this thing out” that’s great, I know a lot of people that live a lot of things out, doesn’t make them good at it. And unless you and ALL of your boys, including you played college/professional basketball then I doubt it would be much of a game. Because I am far and away the least talented of all my homies that I consider good and I play with ex-pros college players on the regular. You do live in Chicago though, so presumably you have a much higher rate of exposure to elite players, whatever though, you don’t know me, and by the way you talk about the game, and the people involved in it, I doubt you can back up your words.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damn, why don’t y’all just have a game of NBA 2K11 online or something…lol

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Haha, aiight nbk. Like I said Mr. Sensitive, whatever…
    I can’t play, your friends are better, cool. It’s not a contest at all. You win, homie!

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    never said who would win, obviously don’t know ur the one talkin like you know you and your friends are better then every group of 5 in the world. Ht I said is clear, unless y’all have some real experience I doubt you can back your words up, but being from the Chi i wouldn’t put it past you.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    nbk, it’s not a busy day @ work, huh?

  • Loaf

    I love slamonline, its like the jerry springer of basketball!

  • JTaylor21

    Looks like a lot of tough talk going on, ish is for the pigeons. The internet; where e-thuggers roam.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Pretty slow, also at the vet gettin my dogs stiches out of his throat, so just chillen in the Waitin room for a lil bit. A not so busy day overall, regardless I ain’t tryna start no drama just bein honest.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Cosign AllenP 10:26…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I hope your dog is alright, Nbk.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Thanks Ted, no worries he’s all healed up. Just can’t leave him with my two much bigger dogs alone anymore lol.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    What kind of dogs you got, nbk?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.
    (hard hand clap to every syllable except the word, “THE”)

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Wow, Nbk has THREE dogs, 2 of them large ones. Nice.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    German Shepard / Mastiff mix, Pit / Mastiff mix, and the little one (the girls dog) rat terrier / sh*tzu mix.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Haha @ Rat Terrier.
    Whoever classified that specific dog race was having himself a laugh that day.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I believe it’s a terrier bred to hunt rats…could be wrong though

  • Mike From Spain

    I saw an article about advanced stats, there are companies hired by teams (e.g. the Celtics) and they take statistics such as ‘percentage of shots made in the first 5 seconds of a possession’, or ‘% that Ray Allen makes when taking one dribble and shooting a contested J from 15 feet’… that sort of reeeeally complex statistics. Sometimes surprising findings appear, and other times the statistics confirm the kind of wisdom that you’d get by playing / watching many matches. Just saying…

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