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Wednesday, March 16th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  201 responses

Post Up: Lonely at the Top

Bulls claim first in the East; Knicks fall in final second.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Indiana 119, New York 117

Two nights after the Pacers ran right through the Knicks in the World’s Most Famous Arena, Indiana played host to the ‘Bockers, this time with a healthy Danny Granger in tow. Granger (26 points) didn’t have too huge an impact on the game’s first 47 minutes, but the Pacers star was a major factor when it mattered most, draining an elbow jumper with 0.3 seconds remaining that put his squad ahead by 2. The Knicks had an opportunity to counter in the form of a midcourt in-bounds play, but with Carmelo Anthony (29 points) calling for the ball at the top of the key (Why, though? There were 0.3 ticks left, not enough time to take a deep J!), Jared Jeffries sent an errant pass into the paint, where it was scooped up by the Pacers. Game, hova. NYK has now taken three L’s in a row, and will look to turn those fortunes around at home tomorrow against the Grizzlies.

Chicago 98, Washington 79

And, just like that, the Bulls are the #1 team in the East. Chicago hosted the Wizards last night, sending them packing with a loss after beating them down behind Derrick Rose and Luol Deng‘s 43 combined points. But a couple of Washington dudes put up some impressive numbers: young’n Jordan Crawford dropped 27, and JaVale McGee managed an 11-point, 12 rebound, 12-block triple-double. He also got T’d up for “excessive celebration” for doing a pull-up on the rim after reaching double-digit scoring, and that’s just not a very good look. At least not when your team is down 20.

Atlanta 110, Milwaukee 85

A headband-clad Joe Johnson absolutely dominated the Bucks, dropping 36 and leading the Hawks to an easy home win against Milwaukee. While JJ sank six threes and took care of the team’s outside game, forward Josh Smith owned the interior, scoring 17, grabbing 14 and swatting 4. The Bucks fly home to face the Magic tonight, and, if they’re smart, they’ll hurry up and get their shit together in time to make a half-decent Playoff push.

Portland 104, Dallas 101

We got a sneak peak of what the Western Conference Playoffs could look like last night, when the Blazers and Mavs battled down to the end in Portland. The Trail Blazers showed they’re sneakily pretty dangerous, especially with a healthy and ready-to-go Brandon Roy, who scored 21. Dirk Nowitzki (28 points, 11 boards) had a chance at a game-tying three late, but it rimmed out, and the Mavs fell for the second game in a row. LaMarcus Aldridge led his squad with 30.

Last Call: Danny Granger goes to work.

(H/T: @Jose3030)

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Up 20 points, 1 minute to go, Derrick Rose diving out of bounds for the ball to save the possession. 7th win in a row, 4th blowout in a row. It’s a great time for any Bulls fan.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    First! Ha.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Jahmai….you ruined my day.

  • Vince5

    What about Tyler Hansbrough? He scored 30pts yesterday.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Chauncey being out for an extended period of time since getting hurt in Orlando kind of threw a monkey wrench into the team meshing, and I was prepared for this. The Knicks had to take a step back in order to take 3 steps forward. Bottom line the Knicks will keep putting in the HARD WORK together for the rest of this regular season and they will get on the same page in the knick of time with the playoffs drawing near. It’s just a matter of staying focused and keeping their eye on the prize while ignoring all the negative chatter aka noise (from spiteful fat bald dudes) while coming together as a team. Go Knicks!

  • http://nba.com tucker

    Luol Deng is playing out of his mind this year. Give him the credit he deserves SLAM, and everyone else. MIP without question. Him and Rose have combined well.

  • T-Money

    Between Blatche, McGee, Young and Yi, Washington has to be the team with the lowest bball IQ in the L. They just do whatever whenever they feel like it, no rhyme or reason.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I know most commenters here could care less about the Wizards, but last night’s display was downright embarassing. Some of the shots McGee took late in the game, gunning for his dubious triple double were laughable. The NBA TV crew spend a good couple of minutes clowning him, and the team in general.

    It’s tough being a Wizards fan. Maybe going 1-40 on the road (still a possibility), and racking up individual stats in blowout losses is all the Wizards have to look forward to.

  • http://nba.com gp23

    Respect to Luol Deng. Dude is killin’ it with Rose.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @T-Money, it’s worse than that. In their previous loss to the Clippers, they ran a post-up play in the low block for Trevor Booker….yes, Trevor Booker. His turnaround jumper ended up hitting the side of the backboard, and going out of bounds. Coaching IQ is seriously lacking as well.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Nicolas, sorry bro. :P

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Tyler Hansbrough loves playing against the Knicks, 1st 29 at MSG, now 30 points and one sick dunk to go with that. Dude does kinda scare me though, no wonder they call him ‘Psycho T’.

  • MUBWAR

    Hey Amar’e, the reason Bosh was a bigger free agent then you in the summer is because he actually checks his man on D once in while. Hansborough(huh) lit for the second night in a row. Good luck NY, cause this year or next I don’t see you going somewhere with that Swiss Cheese defense.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Javale McGee is crazy. He was shooting everything at the end of that game, and getting hype after his dunks, down 15.
    Since when was Brian Scalabrine known as “White Mamba”? That may be my favourite nickname in the entire league.

  • http://www.bleacherreport.com Caribbean Crossover

    Nick Young is a young killer he will get it together a bit more now that he gets minutes but its still small amounts.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    That nickname is almost good enough to offset how annoying Stacey King is.

  • Showtime

    Yea I can see Miami & anyother of the top 3 team quivery’n of fear OF that newyork match up, pyscho T scoring 29@ the garden,then 30 last night GTFOH!!!!!lol

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    The Bulls won’t be able to keep up their winning throughout the playoff Celtts or Heat will dismantle them when it counts. Anywho, did anyone see the Basketball wives finale? It truly was fierce. Isn’t Evelyn just the worst?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Didn’t know you could look into the future Jukai.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Leave it to Jukai, the Notorious H.A.T.E.R to say something like that.
    He’s been wrong about the Bulls since last summer… But he’s consistently wrong, so you at least know what to expect from him.

  • Toronto

    HANSBROUGH!!!!! The guy is putting up 20pt games every night now. After all his bad luck with health issues, he’s getting a chance to show his talent and it’s looking good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    And if the Bulls keep the no 1 seed, Celts-Heat will probably play eachother in the 2nd round. Who’s to say they can’t beat either Celtics or Miami when they are one of, if not the best defensive team in the league. They’ve got a superstar and they’ve beaten every top 5 team. Derrick Rose will probably be MVP, they’ve got great role players, a very solid bench and they are 30-4 at home, only the Spurs have a better record than that.

  • T-Money

    I can’t respect STAT giving up 30 to Psycho T in back to back games.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Scal is the White Mamba because he only rocks Kobe’s.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Gawddamnit KIDD! In a tight game where Mavs shot an incredible percentage, he takes 1 shot. ONE shot. Nice assist total, good for ya, Ason. Maybe go at a subpar Andre Miller every once in a posession?? Couldn’t stop Blazers from scoring with Crash Wallace as their starting 4? (See Carlisle, that’s improvising. Try it sometime, works wonders in basketball)
    Freaking Mavs are gonna land me in a hospital.

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    Oh showtime, why don’t you just stop? You full well your team’s not winning the chip this year. It’s as certain as my Rainbow party tthis Friday.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I can’t believe no one has figured out that THAT’s not the real Jukai. It was happening yesterday too. It’s such a pain in the a*s that Ryne has made ZERO attempt to rectify this “stealing” other commenters identities. Fuc*ing dumb.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    BTW, the Knicks are fantastic. And props to the bulls for taking the #1 spot. Let’s see if they can hold it over the next 16 games to close the season out. Maybe they’ll get lucky and draw the Pacers in the first round….should be a cakewalk.

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    Hater? Moi?! I beg to differ. Brainless know-it-all? Maybe. A touch of Down Syndrome? Yes. But I’m not a hater. You know in your heart the Bulls aren’t a threat outside of the bottom portion of the East. Not when the real season begins.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m with Eboy.
    I can’t understand how any of y’all would think that’s the real Jukai, nor can I understand why this problem persists.
    Jukai doesn’t even construct sentences like that. Everybody on here has a certain “voice” and that voice sounds nothing like Jukai.
    Oh, and if Rose doesn’t win the MVP in a landslide, something ain’t right.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Its JTaylor as usual…

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    Eboy, calm down. It IS the real me. But I appreciate your attempt at defending my honor. Goes right along with your welcomed man-crush on me. Your mangina must be wet seeing my name. ;)

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    OAN…When healthy Brandon Roy is arguably the best SG in the league because he’s as clutch as any player in the NBA.

  • Scott

    Chicago should hold on to the number one seed. The last 15 or so games for the Bulls should be like a walk in the park. Chicago is finally healthy and going to be real tough to knock out of the playoffs.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    BRoy is that dude. It’s a shame that his knees hate him so much.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I think it’s gonna be Heat vs Knicks in the first round. CAN’T WAIT!

  • Scott

    Ahh Roy when healthy isn’t in the same league as Bryant or Wade. Not a knock on Roy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I still can’t understand why SLAM can’t get a login system together. I mean, they’ve had a web site for a decade.

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    Egirl, stop whining.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    He doesnt put up the stats like those guys but he hits so many big shots and is such a good leader that I truly believe he rivals Wade and Kobe.

  • J-MAC

    Any way that it shakes out the EC playoffs are going to be exciting this year. If the Bulls hold on to the number one spot then they could be EC champs. Not haveing to play the Celts or Heat would be big. BRoy when healthy is a top 5 sg.

  • J-MAC

    *having

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Psycho T is THE new Knick killa!!!

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    If Dallas faces Portland in the first round and Roy continues to get healthy then I’m betting my money on another first round exit for Dallas. The Grizzlies are going to be a tough opponent for SA as well but I expect SA to win in six if NO doesn’t continue to drop in the seeding.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Co-sign Scott. Roy isn’t even close to Wade or Kobe, healthy or not. He lacks the top end athletic ability, and both players are just as clutch as him.
    I think that a healthy Roy hurts Portland, more than he helps them because he’s a ball stopper, and I worry about Aldridge’s touches with him out there.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Watching McGee just throw the ball at the hoop the last 3 minutes of the game was pretty damn funny. And then hanging on the rim after the dunk that gets you your triple double, with your team down 20 points, and you shooting them out of any chance they had down the stretch, is awesome. The West is going to be interesting this year. Every single bottom seed can upset in the first round.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    You guys are crazy. Just because he isn’t as athletic doesn’t mean he isn’t as good as Wade or Kobe. The guy is unguardable. He doesn’t have top notch speed or athleticism and makes it even more the impressive. There’s no way he hurts Portland. He makes them the third best team in the West when healthy IMO.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And what is your opinion based on?
    He doesn’t have a better handle than Wade or Kobe, he isn’t a better passer. His jumper isn’t better than Kobe’s, he doens’t get to the rim better than Wade. He’s not more clutch, he’s not a better defender. Why is he as good as them?
    He’s nice. But, I still think Joe Johnson is a better player, particularly given his ability to put cats on the block.
    if he doesn’t hurt Portland, why did Aldridge suddenly become so much more effective once he went down with an injury? He’s a ball dominant shooting guard who settles for a lot of contested jumpers, and contributes to his team consistently playing at one of the slowest paces in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Fully healthy I’m going with Brandon over JJ.
    Brandon is more efficient and consistent, although he isn’t likely to be THAT B Roy again.
    Right now I would take Johnson in a heartbeat, I’m with whoever else that said that obviously isn’t the real Juks.
    BC, thanks for the heads up. I love that nickname.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    I disagree with just about all those points. He’s on par with all the things you said but just lacks the athleticism those guys have. He also didn’t come up short like JJ has so many times. He was one of the main reasons they beat Miami along with Crash and Aldridge and was the reason they won last night. Roy is also a great low post player as well if not better especially when he’s at the point.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    AllBall – I heard the nickname for the first time 2 weeks ago and was dying of laughter. They were joking around about how he’s just as clutch as Black Mamba because he’s shooting like 60% from the floor in the final minutes of the 4th quarter. Pretty funny stuff.

  • Scott

    So if Miami called up Portland and asked to swap Wade for Roy straight up you would want Portland to say thanks but no thanks? I can’t think of one thing Roy does better then Kobe or Wade.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    I think what separates BRoy from other guards is his lack of a niche. He is good at everything and excels at all, but is not dominant in one area. Which makes his overall game impressive, but actually makes it look like he’s not an elite player. I’d take Wade and Kobe over him without a hesitation, but those two aren’t just light years ahead of a healthy Roy.

  • JTaylor21

    Whoever said “it’s JTaylor as usual”, go to the garage and lock yourself in the car with the engine running. In other words, kill yourself!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Haha, that sound’s funny Diesel. His % must have dropped he missed a 3 at the end last night, lol.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    I’m talking about the B. Roy from two years ago and no I would not trade Wade or Kobe for B. Roy because those guys put people in seats unlike a Roy because he isn’t as an exciting player. I never said he was better than Wade or Kobe but he is a 1a or 1b and looked like he could be the best because of his clutchness. I said arguably which means there could be a good argument made the he was the best SG. There’s a difference.

  • J-MAC

    BRoy> JJ

  • JTaylor21

    I was only having a little fun with Juk. If you think B. Roy is on level as Wade and that ballhogging snake then you need to get a rope and hang yourself with it.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Damn…I didn’t mean to start one of those which player is better debates.

  • Scott

    Manu > Johnson > Roy

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Taylor, think of other exciting ways of suicide. The engine on in a garage was decent, but you fell off with rope comment. How about if you think such and such, you probably should have grabbed your umbilical cord and choked yourself in the womb?

  • T-Money

    You guys are out of your minds comparing Roy to Wade and Kobe. His absolute best season when he was fully healthy was 22-5-5, i.e., a garbage season for Wade and Kobe. Cmon now. He’s a nice shooting guard but I’m not sure he’s the best player on his team – healthy or not. And I don’t give bonus points for being less athletic, you produce what you produce.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Bulls fans, do yall announcers complain about not getting mentioned w. the best all the time? Or was that just yesterday? Can someone tell me why Roy, gets double knee surgery comes back like a month later and dosnt wear any kind of pads/braces on his knees?

  • JTaylor21

    11:21 AM that wasn’t me, probably was one of the countless laker sheep that haunt this site. Keep up the bad job, clown.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    “White Mamba” is Stacey King’s nickname for Scal. He has some kind of nickname or phrase for everyone.
    When Korver hits a three it’s “gimme the hot sauce!”
    When Thomas scores it’s “give it to me, Big Sexy!”
    With CJ Watson he does some weird guttural “CJ WAAAAATSON!”
    With Derrick Rose it’s “Too big”….well, y’all know the rest.
    A few weeks ago Neil Funk called Scalabrine a “Coach Thibs’ human victory cigar” and that didn’t sit too well with King. He actually seemed pretty upset, like Funk was downplaying what Scal meant to the Bulls.
    Anyways, I was almost tempted to pull a page out of Eboy’s book and go on a profanity-laced tirade tell all the doubters and non-believers to go suck a cerain male appendage.
    But, nahhh.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    What a weirdo…

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @Boing – pretty much every Bulls fan thinks the Bulls still aren’t getting as much respect on the national level as say, the Heat, Celtics and Lakers.
    It’s like even though the Spurs and the Bulls have the top records in their respective conferences, no one outside of their fanbases gives them a chance to make it to the finals.
    At least that’s what is seems like, anyways.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @t-money…you can’t look at stats with B. Roy bc the Blazers played at such a slow pace with him and he was their best player easily. LA is just coming into his own this season and playing up to his potential.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enig, take off the blinders….the spotlight is straight on your squad now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    SG, come on now, I don’t even see where your going with this. Yes, pace of play effects statistics greatly, but no, there is no way Roy is as good as Wade or Kobe.
    This current version of B Roy is also clearly inferior to Joe Johnson.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Yeah and with the spotlight getting brighter and brighter the Bulls are blowing teams out more and more, 4 straight now and nobody needs to tell me the games were against bad teams because that’s exactly what the Bulls should be doing team, they’re handling their business. They’ve got more bad teams coming and I with Thibs and Rose leading, they’re not going to go ofcourse, they’ll just keep working, keep winning.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’ve heard more Bulls talk then any other team lately. Including the Heat, even if we talk about the Heat the conversation evolves into a p*ss*ng contest between Bulls fans and everyone else. I’m just happy our resident Bulls fans aren’t anything like our resident Laker and Knicks fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Again I agree with Scott
    Manu > JJ > Roy
    Joe Johnson hasn’t come up short a bunch of times. He has played horrid against Orlando. That’s it.
    In 2008, he helped the Hawks take the Celtics to seven games, and gave them more trouble than both Kobe and LeBron. Dude is clutch, his jumper is nice, and his handle is underrated.
    No, JJ shouldn’t be running the iso Joe offense, nor should he be your “franchise player” but neither should Roy! Dude is good, but he’s overrated. What has he done in Portland? Everybody keeps giving him a pass for the injuries, but even when healthy dude should not be focal point of your team’s offense, and he pouted when the team got Andre Miller who was a clear upgrade over Steve Blake.
    Man, this is crazy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    And for people who think the Bulls will not be winning in the playoffs, the Bulls are build on defense, they’re a great rebounding team, a great set of bigs (Noah, Boozer, Taj, Big Sexy and Asik who’s getting rebounds like crazy). They’ve got a nice SG rotation in Bogans, Brewer, Korver, they’ve got Lu and Drose WILL step his game up in the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @nbk…the Heat fans are worse than the Lakers fans. I’m just saying B. Roy doesn’t get the credit he deserves because he doesn’t dunk on people and have to be seen.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Look at how Aldridge exploded without Roy. That’s a clear sign of a problem. No way do you build your team around a shooting guard when you’ve got one of the best young bigs in the league.
    Roy over dribbles, shoots way too many jumpers and is far too concerned with getting props.
    Joe Johnson is better to me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    B-roy doesn’t get credit?
    WTH
    He’s not an elite player. He’s never been an elite player.
    How much credit should he get? His profile is higher than both Manu’s and Joe Johnson’s and he’s not better than either of them.
    He ain’t on Kobe and Wade’s level, he’s never been on their level and he was never going to be on their level. I think he gets too much hype for somebody who has never gotten out of the first round! Compare his numbers to Joe Johnson’s, compare his skill set to Joe Johnson’s. How the hell is Roy the clear winner?

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Lakers fans don’t berate everyone for their ideas either like the Heat fans do. Nothing wrong with being passionate about your team unlike some pseudo fan bases who just became fans this year.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    SG, you can’t be a Laker fan without being a “sheep” or “guzzler”. Don’t know why, but that’s how it works here.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Knicks fans have been pretty quiet on here lately, nbk.
    Hmmm…wonder why.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I only know of 2 heat fans, and only 1 that is here daily. Eboy, idk who the other “heat fans” that are so bad even are if they have ever been here. Unless your talking about the people noone knows or talks to that just pop in and say stuff that ridiculous but I consider them LeBron fans cuz that’s usually what the lunacy revolves around.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lots of crying going on in here today…like the Heat locker room after a tough loss.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allen is a fan, just not in the typical sense.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Lol @ Enigmatic…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk, I guess my style portrays the knowledge (or lack of)and thoughts and words of hundreds or thousands of fans rolled into one. GANGSTA!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    For a point of reference, as a second year pro, Wade took 17 shots per game, roughly what Roy shot in his best season when he averaged 22.6 points.
    On the same number of shots, Wade averaged 24 points, with 6.8 assists and 5 rebounds. Come on.
    This year Wade is putting up 25, 6 and 5 on 18 shots.
    As far as the team’s “pace”, Roy dominates the ball, or at least he did in the past. He has a lot of touches, even if most of the team’s shots come late in the shot clock.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Joe Johnson is better than Brandon in the sense that he does everything better, and has a heathy amount of cartilage in his knees.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk is a closet Heat fan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    There’s nothing wrong with being a passionate fan, only sometimes you lose a sense of reality. Happens to me too. I know the Bulls are doing great right now but when I keep it real I also know every playoff round (except for maybe the 1st) will be an absolute fight and they might go out in the 2nd round, I just hope they make it to the Finals and WIN.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen ain’t no heat fan, he just wants to see the most competitive basketball possible, and he, like you should know that for that to happen the best teams have to be playing at their best. And whether you like it or not the Heat are one of the best teams

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Is there seriously an ongoing debate about Roy or Wade? This is a joke right?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allen actually said yesterday “I’m not a fan in the typical sense”, which insinuates that he is actually a fan. No one asked him about his fandom, he volunteered that info.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LOL at Boing.
    I can see why people like BRoy over Joe Johnson. It wasn’t a clear cut decision prior to all the injuries. But now it’s not even close. And the Kobe and Wade thing is ridiculous to me.
    And there are some Heat fans who berate people and some who don’t.
    I don’t berate people, but if I think you’re not making sense then I’m going to tell you you’re not making sense. I like disagreement and discussion, but I’m not a fan of comments not based in reality.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    No Jahmai…I just said I thought he could rival Wade if he wouldn’t of gotten hurt. I regret the comment now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ALLBALL
    You should go back and read my comment.
    I said I wasn’t a typical fan, but the league is more exciting to watch when Miami is good since they have consolidated three of the best players in the league on one team.
    I went on to mention my support of consolidation, or contraction, because I believe that the quality of basketball we see will improve with more talent on fewer teams.
    I’m not emotionally invested in the Heat. It doesn’t matter to me if they win or lose. But, it offends me when they play piss poor basketball because I feel cheated.
    Just to be clear.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Reminds me how everyone in the South became a Saints fan when they became good. I hate bandwagon fans. Nothing wrong with the Eboys, Iamorange, Enigmatics.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    My mistake, although I disagree, I imagine it matters to you a little if the Heat win or lose.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall its on the post up from yesterday you can read what he said

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sigh.
    Let me state it again.
    Being a fan of a team, or corporation, is stupid.
    I either root for players, or I root for the best possible basketball.
    I watch the NBA because I really like the sport of basketball and it’s played at its highest level in the NBA. Period. I haven’t been a fan of a team since Iverson left Philly, and I only cheered for them because of him.
    Sure, when I watch a game, I may want one team to win more than the other team, but I don’t really care that much if the game is played at a high level. Watching high level basketball is exciting enough that I don’t need the faux connection of being a “fan.”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m only a suns “fan” – other then that I just want to see an overtime game everytime I turn on my tv, with a buzzer beater. And I want people the look at the game without a fan/bias filter and discuss it from that perspective

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Every game I watch, I root for one team more than the other, but I don’t really care about them long term. I feel no attachment to a particular corporation.
    Why would I? It’s a business, just like McDonalds or Walmart. Are you particularly committed to McDonalds and Walmart?

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @Allenp…So much in sports is based on perception so you are going to have lots of disagreements. I was not the only one who believed Roy was a top 3 SG when healthy. It was pretty much a consensus two years ago. Damn, during the Heats five game win streak you heard guys saying Wade should come off the bench and that he basically sucks and has no D. Now, guys are saying he should be on All Defense Team. Perception…Perception…

  • JTaylor21

    This is the result of incompetent parents allowing their kids to use the computer unsupervised.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    JTaylor, you mean your own comment specifically, Right.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    So many people like are fans of teams bc of their childhood or a connection they created with someone over a team. There’s nothing wrong with being a die hard fan of a team. I’m a lakers fan because as a kid I remember me and my dad watching lakers games and those are only the real memories of have of us together so that goes deeper than a business or following a player. Its those memories you create with a person that a team helps ignite or rekindle.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    It may be exiting but having strong connections with one team makes sports that much more powerful, the heartbreak, the happiness, you don’t get that when you just like to see somebody do a 360, yeah it’s awesome but even people who are a fan of the worst team love sports even though their team (uhum, Cleveland) may be atrocious to watch.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    F*ck McDonald’s. I roll with Burger King all day…

  • HAMMER

    Off subject but R.I.P. Nate Dogg. Gone way 2 soon

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is what I wrote yesterday that ALLBALL referenced. Not sure how it made me a Miami fan:
    Also, I’ve made it clear I’m not a “fan” in the traditional sense. I would like to see Miami be a contender because otherwise you have three of the best players in the league playing for nothing, which is stupid. Besides, it would be a great story if they manage to shock all the doubters and win something.
    But, I just want to see good ball. I’m in favor of the consolidation of talent and teams. More talent on individual teams means better basketball to me. I’m against things that hamper that move.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Players come and go but Lakers championship banners come just about every year.

  • Showtime

    Not to the dismissal of b roy talent he is a top 25 talent but in shooting guard refrence he not with wade or lobe. He clutch thou.. But to me after those two ill take E.G. ak Air Gordan

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allen, nbk, I’m with you, I root for NO because of CP, I just think that you guys root for Miami because of Bron or a combo of Bron and Wade.
    I can look at things from a neutral perspective if we keep the Hornets out of it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allen, I got it wrong, you have now referenced/replied to my comment’s 3 times, whilst my 2 replies have been to say I made a mistake, or agree with you. I think we are done on that point now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    1. I’m not accountable for what other people say or do. I have never suggested Wade be traded or benched. I’ve just said he needs to play defense and offense like he’s clearly capable of playing. He’s doing that, the team is moving the ball, and now they are winning. I wrote a piece on the site called “Tears are for Babies” in it I outlined several areas that need to improve, and Miami’s improvement in those areas has led to wins.
    2. If people want to be fans, that’s fine. I shouldn’t have called it “stupid” because that’s derogatory. But, since “fans” seem to believe that if you don’t have a die hard connection to a corporation you must lack moral fiber, I tend to get a little heated in my comments.
    I don’t have a whole bunch of memories of watching sports with my pops. He actively discouraged my brother and I from becoming emotionally invested in teams, noting that they are businesses that provide no tangible benefit to our lives. (I still used to love the Saints.)
    People have a lot of reasons to enjoy sports, and while some don’t make sense to me, it was unkind to call those reasons stupid. I apologize.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    In fact, nbk you have mentioned before that we usually agree on anything non-Hornet related.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That’s a good comment by Showtime.
    Is Eric Gordon better now than Roy was in his prime?
    Hmmmm….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That’s true but its not a law or anything. If you say something I disagree with or that I find un-merited (like callin me a heat fan, or sayin I root for them over anyone else) I’m going to let you know about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ALLBALL
    I don’t particularly like LeBron, to be honest.
    I used to like Wade, but since they got that ring in 2006, not so much.
    I cheer for Miami because Wade and Bron are two of the top five players in the NBA and they are on the same team. And they have another top 15 player riding with them.
    That has history making potential. Plus, all three players can do special things on the floor. So there is entertainment value.
    I don’t particularly like any of the players on Miami’s team outside of Udonis Haslem, whose work ethic I deeply respect. I just care because they have a chance to do something special, and it’s more fun to watch something special, imo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    EGordon is definitely a better defender, that’s for sure. But he is not on that offensive level, scoring wise yeah, but Roy also creates for others and takes over games, EG doesn’t really do that yet

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Is it just me, or is Kevin Mchale the MOST ANNOYING commentator or analyst or whatever in the NBA?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Allenp…I wasn’t offended. Sorry if it came off that way. The women in my life basically say the same thing your dad did so I know what you mean. Eric Gordon is good but he’s not much of a defender but I do think he’s playing out of position and he has even said he would like to be a PG one day. EG is athletic as hell though for someone 6’1 or 6’2.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    EG is 6’4

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    How about Amar’e Stoudemire on defense ladies and gentleman. 59 Points for Tyler Hansbrough – Tyler Hansbrough, in 2 games. smh

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    But I can understand where AllenP is coming from, I don’t have deep connections to any College team yet I still love watching March Madness.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    @alldayeveryday – Reggie Miller, both the guys who do the Heat games, Chuck Swirsky, Skip Bayless are all much MUCH, worse.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Tommy Heinsohn.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The Celtics guys are worse than McHale. At least he doesn’t blame the refs for every call against the Celtics.
    I do miss Gary Payton though. Not because he was particularly insightful, he wasn’t, but because he really would say anything. ANYTHING. I always expected him to drop a MF on tv.
    Either Tyler Hansbrough is way better than most people projected, or Amare’s defense is beyond putrid. I don’t know which because that dunk Tyler threw down was an impressive catch and finish.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    I find college sports racist towards HBCUs so I have a heard time rooting for them. Its a shame schools from SWAC and MEAC can never get the talent to be competitive and it pisses me off to hear people like Jay Bilas say teams from SWAC and MEAC shouldn’t be in the tournament.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Speaking of color commentators though, did anyone else see that Bulls game where the camera panned in on this one dude in the stands, and Stacey King told Neil Funk he looked like “Humpty” (Shock G) from Digital Underground?
    Funk said he had no idea what he was talking about, and King was like “Come on, Funk! You gotta get with the times!!”
    I was rolling. Digital Underground? Get with the times? Really???

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’ve watched Hansbrough about 8 times this season, every time he plays…he goes HARD. I’m not sure about his skill level, but his mid range jumper is nice and he makes plays in the paint. He also puts himself in the way to rebound. He’s almost like a white Udonis Haslem…just a lesser defender.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Amar’e doesn’t care, and D’Antoni doesn’t care that he doesn’t care. In Phoenix Amar’e said in an interview on Fox that he had never in his entire career with D’Antoni worked on defense. Never. Against LA in the playoffs he said he didn’t know it was his job to rebound after Lamar dropped a 20 and 20 or close to it on him. Kevin Love’s 30 and 30 came against the Knicks. Nazr Muhammad’s 20 and 20, Blake Griffin’s 45 and 17, etc.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Real talk @ AP, i was just talkin about GP on the old Fan Night over on the Javle triple double post.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    that was me at 1:00. Don’t know why others info keeps popping up like that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Did Brandon Roy shoot 17 jumpshots last night? I didn’t catch the game, only highlights, every basket he made that I saw was a stepback jumper when he could have gotten in the paint. And he only shot 4 Free Throws so I feel like he may have become a one-dimensional offensive player that will soon be guarded as such.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @nbk…he scored 17 after the half and had ten in the fourth where he took it to the basket and even caught an alley. He’s getting his legs back and he played great last nite. He looked like the old B. Roy in the fourth.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ok wew good for him. I was worried, the highlight guys at NBATV are the worst of any major sports channel. No feel for how the game played out from their highlights.

  • Showtime

    Well the knicks really have two people that have that mentality With stat & mello both are offensive mammoth but dont have that desire.say what u want about miami 3(cryers) boston 3( old age) lakers 3(selfishness/jackrers) or not to leave the hypeless (bulls 3) injury pronees. They will .some part or another will play defense.deffence, d -fence people. Newyoek just yhas that & the coCh does have that in his plan wither .so u will see alot more of this in the future

  • Showtime

    Wow ..can I say spell.check…but.yea to sum up they don’t care about defense

  • izzo

    Allenp @ 12:33pm FTW.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Regarding Amare, there is NO excuse for his complete and utter failure to play anything resembling defense. It’s beyond pathetic. As a player he has to at least feel enough pride to TRY, despite his terrible coaching. D’Antoni has never cared about D, which means he’s never cared about winning seriously. He has to go. He makes it impossible for me to watch my Knicks. You may be able to inspire Amare with the right coach, but D’Antoni will never change. He will never win anything.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Allen – your argument of why should you support a basketball team, which is ultimately a business that you have no rooted interest in, can be used to discredit supporting ANYTHING. Why should anyone root for some millionaire player, who they’ve never met, that couldn’t care less about who you are? Those player’s image, endorsements, managers, agents, etc… is a business too. Why do people have favorite tv shows and watch them loyally when they don’t have a rooted interest in the production company making the show. Why support a certain musician, local store, help a stranger on the street…when none of those corporations benefits you directly? If we break everything down to its most common level, we all take a rooted interest in things for the most trivial of reasons. I guess supporting a sports team because they’re from the same city in which you live is as good and trivial a reason as any.

  • MUBWAR

    Looking at Amar’e on D, I wonder why people call Bosh soft

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Cause at least Amar’e won’t crumble to the floor after a phantom elbow or whine about someone hustling for a loose ball cause “it’s too close to my legs” and “we all wanna feed our families”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Meanwhile, Chris Bosh keeps whipping the sh*t out of Carlos boozer in head to head matchups. Imagine what it would be like if dude had a backbone, some weight and a pen*s?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    1-18 is not what I would call “whipping the sh*t” out of anyone.
    But yeah, the other two times he put it on him, I suppose.
    And as Sean Connery might say, the pen*s mightier than the sword.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Damnit I said that wrong, meant to say he should hit up Connery for some “Pen*s Mightier”.
    Been a while since I watched that skit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “‘Cause two out of three ain’t bad”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Regardless Trebek, your mother’s a wh*re

  • http://slamonline Brion

    I do remember before the injury, Kobe and Artest saying that B.roy was the toughest guy in the league to guard.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “Suck it long and suck it hard, Trebek”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “Not in the Rs. That’s not what your mother said”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    last one:

    Sean Connery: Well, the game is afoot. I’ll take anal bum cover for 7,000.

    Alex Trebek: That’s An album cover, not anal bum cover.

    Sean Connery: I can read, Trebek. That says Anal bum cover. I’ve spent five years of my life trying to invent an anal bum cover, failing to do so is my greatest regret.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Brion, that was just Artest, and hes insane…

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Sounds that dogs make. We would have accepted bow wow or rough. “Rough just how your mother likes it, Trebek.”

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    BEST SNL skits EVER.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, I’m sorry but SNL sucks. I’ve tried so many times to watch them and give them a chance to crack me up but I come away depressed every time because they are no that funny. MAD TV on the other hand was a 1,000 times funnier.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Nah, J you just have to watch the right ones. They havent been good since the 90s

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Overall I thought MAD TV was funnier too, but those Jeopardy skits were funny as hell.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    I support players because they are humans, and as such, I can connect to them on a human level.
    I only support TV shows if they entertain me. Once that stops I stop watching.
    The “fan” argument is that the only way to be a real fan is if you support your team no matter what. It’s not about entertainment value, it’s about loyalty to the laundry.
    We don’t have that attitude for any other business, which was my point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sandler’s years were great. Him, Mike Myers, Dana Carvey, those were great years. And Will Farrel carried a lot of the show for the later part of the 90′s

  • JTaylor21

    Ok, that’s the problem; I’m watching the wrong era. Speaking of other eras, Miami Vice was and still is the best show I’ve ever seen.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NCIS son, lol.

  • tonyknorr

    cosign hammer at 12:44. RIP Nate Dogg. and since this comments is pretty boring on the whole I guess I will leave one this. Ray Allen is a stone cold killer and the celtics are going to roll everyone in the east.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    NCIS is fake as all hell.
    Trust me, the real NCIS is nothing like the show.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Enigmatic – I’m 24 years old homie, I know it’s not based in reality. They go from DC to Norfolk in like 20 minutes on that show, and if i’m not mistaken that’s atleast a 3 hour drive. lol just an example of how un-realistic it is even at the most basic level. I watch for entertainment, its like complaining about the lack of realism in CSI

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    Of course Enigmatic knows. Ultra-tough guy knows everything under the sun.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, now I don’t know, I used to be stationed in Norfolk, and I knew some cats that could get to DC awfully quick, lol.
    But I know what you mean.
    I just have a tough time watching all those types of shows just cause even though I keep telling myself it’s for entertainment, it still gets on my nerves how like, in Law and Order a case will be solved and dude will be locked up in like a week.
    And that’s not really Jukai.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually I think if I was in your position I would be the same way. But I have never served in the military, so there is nothing for me to compare or get angry about, I expected fiction without any real experience to compare it too from the beginning, its almost cheating.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My Dad watches TV and movies like NBK.
    He’s always telling it’s just entertainment when I start carping about how a show isn’t making sense.
    I can’t be entertained if the entire premise is idiotic.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    I still don’t buy the Bulls as real contenders. Maybe I should, but I really don’t. They’re playing the best ball now, though, that’s for sure. Still…not buying it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    nbk, I don’t get upset watching those shows and I didn’t mean to insinuate that I was questioning your intelligence.
    I like watching shows that are far-fetched too.
    But NCIS just comes off as silly to me.
    To be fair, NCIS isn’t as far-fetched as JAG.
    JAG officers rarely leave their offices, let alone get involved in combat situations.
    But I still watched JAG cause Catherine Bell was quite the dime piece.
    As for greatest show of all time…even though it’s ultra-far-fetched too, I gotta give it to 24.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Or maybe Dexter.
    I wish I could go and murk child rapists and murderers and stuff too.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh i’m a little bit two ways, if the logistics that I understand of a show aren’t following reason I lose interest. Like NCIS for example how they come their conclusions are always unrealistic, like solving a terrorist threat in mere hours by using some crazy advanced scientific technology. But the stories make sense and the premises aren’t crazy, its not alice in wonderland

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah didn’t mean to sound offended, I knew what you meant. I just was saying I’m grown lol I can tell its not how it really shakes out.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Office is still the best TV show ever made. I won’t even consider anything else in the same league

  • j4zzm4n

    i see your 24 and raise one THE WIRE… also x-files back in the day was dope and nonsensical at the same time

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Chapelle show was my fav.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Man, I still haven’t had the chance to see The Wire.
    I been putting it off for forever now.
    I really do need to peep that.
    As for comedies, I’m really loving Community these days.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Wifey and I enjoy cooking shows at the minute.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    The early seasons of House.

  • j4zzm4n

    Enigmatic do yourself a favour and watch it. I need to own it on blu-ray. The Wire is as classic as you could hope for. What I have never watched is the Sopranos…

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Damn you, Dacre!
    I now have the House theme song stuck in my head…

  • JTaylor21

    I forgot all about the X-Files, I’ve probably seen every episode. The Wire is a classic also but you gotta start from season one to truly understand the show. The sopranos was cool but I really really hated the ending.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @AllenP – don’t ever watch that Clive Owen movie, “Shoot Em Up”.
    You’ll go nucking futs.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: I love The Office, believe me. I LOVE THE OFFICE. But you can’t say there aren’t other shows in its league… Apples and oranges, my man.
    For the record, The Wire is the best show ever made–point blank period. Oz and The Sopranos are close on its heels.
    But I’m not comparing them to the gem that is The Office (and 30 Rock, etc.) because, like I said, apples and oranges. They’re all great.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Teddy I’m strictly talking about me personally, TV is a personal/taste thing. That show, every single character, has a direct line to making me laugh land. No non-will farrel movie does that for me, its probably like the 1996 bulls to enigmatic. – Speaking of, everytime something with a catchy song is mentioned it gets stuck in doods head lol

  • Michael

    Enigmatic go out and by the wire first season NOW dude.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Alright, when that tax refund chedder comes in, I purchase season 1 of The Wire.

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    Yeah I still don’t understand how the wire was never even nominated for a single emmy. That’s just jokes. And this’ll sound weird, but I LOVE Mr. Bean lol. I’ve been hunting down DVDs for AGES.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: When you watch The Wire, it’ll consume a LOT of your time. Just be prepared. Your dedication will pay off 100% though.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I actually loved that movie because I expected it to be ridiculous going in.
    a movie like “Wanted” with Angelina Jolie pisses me off more.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The Wire starts slow but it is worth it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Sons of Anarchy is also a very good current TV series

  • aotearaw

    I hope when you guys refer to ‘The Office’ as one of the greats, you’re not referring to the US version? Because that is horse sh*t compared to the original UK creation.

  • aotearaw

    Oh, and Sopranos ALL DAY

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    You know what would be a great show? Nbk, Enigmatic, and Eboy grow a pair. Hahahahah

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    SNL Eddie Murphy Era was badass too.
    My guilty pleasure of the last few years has been 30 Rock. Dialogue is amazing at times, and they luv sticking an Nba reference in there.
    (Apropos SNL: some of Sandbergs ‘Digital Shorts’ are too damn funny. Check the Iran/Ahmadenijad spoof one with the Maroon 5 singer)

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Dude Dark, I freaking LOVE 30 Rock!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL @ aotearaw… Sorry, but the US version is straight up CLASSIC in its own right. “Horse sh*t”…? I don’t think we can be friends anymore =(.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    What the hell kind of “best TV show” discussion doesn’t include South Park?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Let’s not forget Chapelle’s Show

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