Thursday, March 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  217 responses

Post Up: Nugs Upset Spurs

TPU witnesses the excitement live from Denver.

The Post Up was fortunate enough to have our man Ryan Jones live on the scene in Denver, who offered to dish out his notes as the lead recap in today’s TPU. His words sum up the top game below, with Adam’s shorter recaps for the other contests following behind. And a huge thanks to Ryan for reaching out to contribute—always welcome.

by Ryan Jones & Adam Figman

Denver 115, San Antonio 112

I had barely reached my seat at the Pepsi Center on Wednesday night when a Nuggets fan sitting behind me asked for the score of the Knicks-Magic game. I briefly wondered why he cared. Then I remembered.

From what I can tell, Denver fans these days hate the Knicks—by which I mean Carmelo Anthony—as much as they love their Nuggets. Especially these Nuggets. If you’ve watched Denver since the trade, you know they’re a youthful (if not actually that young), fast-paced bunch of gunners, currently averaging a League-best 107.6 points per game—a point and a half more than Mike D’Antoni’s ’bockers. These guys are easy to root for.

The Spurs aren’t so popular in the Mile High City, Manu Ginobili least of all. He was booed enthusiastically every time he touched the ball, and in the early going, a lot of those touches resulted in three-pointers. Thanks to Manu’s hot-shooting first half (and Gary Neal’s eventual team-high 25 points), the Spurs took a 4-3 lead in the opening minutes, built it into double digits, and held it until midway through the fourth quarter.

That’s when the Nuggets, relentless all night, if not quite as efficient as the visitors, finally caught up.

Denver came away 115-112 winners, getting 27 points from Al Harrington and a clutch jumper from Wilson Chandler with about 30 seconds left to seal it. The game felt a bit silly at points—the teams shot a combined 25 of 53 from beyond the arc, including 6 of 8 from Gary Neal—and the Spurs’ various double-digit leads never felt remotely safe. The whole thing was a blast.

It’s hard to imagine the Nuggets keeping this up, of course, but you can’t blame their fans for riding the wave. Playing a San Antonio squad missing the hobbled Tim Duncan (not that that’s an excuse; TD was healthy last week when the Spurs lost by 30 in Miami), Denver saw its bench outscore its starters 63-52. George Karl will know he can’t count on that sort of production when the Playoffs start.

But for now? The Nuggets are 11-4 since Melo left, with wins over the Celtics and Spurs. They lack a star but are making up for it with fan favorites like JR Smith and that slew of forwards—Harrington, Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari—who all seem capable of going for 25 or 30 on a given night. And who takes the last shot in a tight game? The answer seems to be “whoever ends up with the ball.”

The Spurs, meanwhile, still have the League’s best record, and their 8-4 mark in March is solid enough. But their last five losses—to the Bulls, Grizzlies, Lakers, Heat, and now the Nuggets—have all come against playoff teams, and none except Wednesday’s game in Denver was particularly close. I’m not sure what it says for the Spurs’ postseason chances, but the implications aren’t great.

The only thing Wednesday night’s game left me certain of? Nothing you didn’t already know: The Western Conference playoffs should be nuts.

Orlando 111, New York 99

On the other side of the country, the Knicks confirmed the fact that, thus far, Denver has gotten the winning side of that little deal the two teams made a few weeks back. New York continued its now-two-week stammer, falling to the Magic at home after Orlando shut them down with a strong fourth quarter. As would be expected, Dwight Howard (33 points, 11 boards, 3 blocks) beasted, and every other Magic starter scored in double figures as well. Carmelo Anthony played modestly and led the Knicks with 24, but it was Amar’e Stoudemire who didn’t come through at all, scoring only 13 on 6-20 shooting from the field.

New Jersey 98, Cleveland 94

It took an extra session and 23 rebounds from Kris Humphries, but the Nets pulled out the win against the Cavs in Ohio. Ramon Sessions dropped a game-high 21 in the loss.

Philadelphia 105, Atlanta 100

The Hawks don’t seem to realize they’re in the middle of a Playoff push. Philly hosted them then sent ‘em packing last night, defeating the ice cold, Josh Smith-led Hawks (Smoove went for 33 and 12) behind a well-balanced offensive attack. All five Sixer starters and two bench guys scored 10-plus, and the team shot 48.8 percent from the field in the efficient W.

Memphis 90, Boston 87

Despite the rough news that Rudy Gay won’t be playing anymore this season, the Grizzlies have maintained focus, and last night took down the No. 2 team in the East by using said focus. Somehow Memphis won despite nobody on its squad scoring more than 13, but Zach Randolph & Co. did indeed solidify their grasp on the eighth spot out West. Looks like the Celts are hitting that pre-Playoff, rest-up point.

Indiana 111, Charlotte 88

The Pacers did the same as the Grizzlies out West, rolling through the Bobcats and upping their advantage on the team behind them by three games. Danny Granger scored 33, while Roy Hibbert put in 13 and snatched 12.

Miami 100, Detroit 94

The Heat have been off for a few days, but they came back solid, er, solid enough to get a win against a generally lifeless Pistons group. They rallied late to earn that win, led by Dwyane Wade (24 points) and Chris Bosh (23).

Sacramento 97, Milwaukee 90

With the exception of that whole leaving-Sacramento thing, it is an interesting time to be a Kings fan, because we’re starting to see that they’ve got some exciting up-and-coming talent. Marcus Thornton (27 points), specifically, has been playing great, putting up great stat lines night after night, win or lose. (Mostly, um, lose.) Beno Udrih added 25 as the Kings took down the Bucks in Milwaukee.

Oklahoma City 106, Utah 94

As of now, the Thunder have to look scarier to future Western Conference opponents than the Spurs, no? OKC took down Utah last night, receiving a combined 60 points from Russell Westbrook (31) and Kevin Durant (29). With Serge Ibaka (15 and 13) and a still-getting-used-to-the-new-team Kendrick Perkins in tow, I’d wanna avoid the  Thunder as long as possible if I was, say, the Lakers.

Houston 131, Golden State 112

Yes, the Rockets dropped 131 points straight on the Warriors’ collective domepiece. How? Well, Kevin Martin‘s 34 points, Courtney Lee‘s 25 and Luis Scola‘s 20 certainly helped. Houston dominated this high-scoring affair, shooting 51.1 percent from the floor and rolling past the Warriors.

Phoenix 114, Toronto 106

This game will probably get no media love (including here), but come on, this is absurd. After last night’s triple-overtime craziness, the Suns flew home around 3 a.m., then come out (way) less than 24 hours later and faced the Raptors—and won! Wild. Aaron Brooks stepped up off the bench and led Phoenix with 25 points, allowing Suns’ vets like Steve Nash and Vince Carter to spend just 20 or so minutes on the court.

L.A. Clippers 127, Washington 119

For all that he has accomplished, until last night, Blake Griffin still hadn’t notched a triple-double. He finally knocked that off his list of goals yesterday, putting up a 33-17-10 stat line in a double-OT thriller in L.A. It won’t get much attention, but John Wall put up a nice 32 points and 10 dimes in the loss. Hey, you want the limelight, gotta get that W. Props go out to Blake for his first triple-double.

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  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah, is that from the top 50? Cuz I was pretty adamant that Slam overrated him, but I have apologized and acknowledged for and that I was wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nobody gets triple teamed?
    Crazy comment.
    If you run a a pick and roll, and the coach tries to trap the pick and roll with the big and little, and brings another defender across the lane in a mini-zone, is that not a triple team in all respects?
    That happens to Rose all the time.
    How about if you run an immediate trap on a player a s he crosses halfcourt, and have another player shadowing him between the three point line and free throw line in case he breaks that trap? Again, triple team.
    How about the NBA’s version of the box and 1?
    Triple team does not always three players standing next to one player. It means committing three players to defending one player every time he touches the ball.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @nbk – yeah.
    And my apologies to both you and Eboy for diggin’ in the vaults and pulling those up.
    I’ve said some things on here before that would make me look stupid now too.
    Don’t trip, I got love for both of y’all!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Let’s be honest, if you’re a PG in the NBA and you’re outside of the top 5, who would you be most ‘afraid’ to play. I can’t imagine anybody seriously having a harder time defending Rose. I think he’s the best PG in the league. To me, it’s not even close. I’ve seen Drose play Dwill and a year ago (as bulls fan) I thought Dwill was the best PG, but he just looks helpless now, seriously. Rose simply dominates. Now I can´t judge Drose vs CP3 all that clear because all his fans say he´s playing on one leg, but if that´s the CP3 that´s here to stay, then yes, you too, have to accept the fact than Drose is better right now. 6´3, strong, faster than everyone else, insane vert, unmatched upper body control, ridiculous handles, midrange J and he now comes with a 3point shot included, plus his ever/improving defense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enig….so to be clear….Rose is playing out of his mind and it’s possible that his “fantastic” running mates aren’t quite as great as we thought they were?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enig….even in that comment you pulled he gave him the benefit of the doubt that he just needed to adhere to the team concept for them to be exceptional.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no stress I honestly don’t even care. I highly doubt a player improves like Rose did this year very often. So that shouldn’t happen to me again lol

  • JTaylor21

    I used CP’s FG% as an example for those people who claim that the reason DRose shoots a low percentage is because he’s a small guy.
    CP is 3 inches shorter than dude yet he shoots a higher percentage, what does that tell you about both guys. Also what does playing in a slow paced offense and playing without your big men have to do with shooting 44%? LeBron the past 2 yrs played on one of the slowest teams in the L and Sideshow Bob was his big man, so that excuse holds no weight.
    The reason why I’m using Bron and CP as examples is because we are talking about MVP candidates, so it would behove me to use a 2-time MVP and runner MVP as reference point.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    E, I’d have to say both Boozer and Noah have dissapointed this year overall, but due to injuries not lack of great play.
    Although Boozer has been averaging some pretty low numbers recently.
    And true enough, I have to give you that.
    But it was a given he, and everyone else, needed to play as one cohesive unit for them to be successful.
    The point was you argued way back then that he couldn’t both increase his production AND bring success to the team at the same time, and that has since been proven false.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Noah has disappointed? what did you expect from him? I think he has been way better then he was supposed to, he has been a top 7 center when healthy, is he even in the preseason top 50? Elaborate matic, elaborate

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Let’s hope (for his sake) that he doesn’t fall into the Lebron James “success is measured by individual stats and accolades and not playoff success” has for the first 7 seasons of his career.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    my bad I didn’t see the injuries part, just immediately didn’t understand, haha my bad

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i think thats the thing that makes him disappointing, when healthy he’s good. but he’s been injured more than the bulls had expected

  • T-Money

    I have a bias against shoot-first point guards. I have yet to see to a team achieve great things in the post season with the point guard being the leading scorer by a sizeable margin. That’s why I’ve been very skeptical of the Bulls since the beginning of the year even though they’re racking up a lot of wins. I think their roster is fundamentally flawed on the offensive end as no one can create off the bounce besides Rose and Booz is not a super reliable option down low vs length.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    Slower pace typically leads to more contested shots late in the shot clock. In the Bulls offense, the person taking those difficult shots is Rose.
    As for the big men, without a viable big man, the opposing big man has no fear of helping on all dribble drives, which makes it more difficult to find a path to the basket or scoring at the rim. With a good big man, the defender thinks twice before leaving his man because it automatically opens up an easy drop off path.
    Also, a good big man draws his own double teams, which makes it more difficult for teams to recover to perimeter players on ball movement from the post, which gives better angles on drives and easier jump shots.
    That’s basketball 101.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    people are forgetting about Deng in this “can’t create his own shot” conversation. and if you deny that, you haven’t been watching bulls basketball. so i’m just wondering, what team really has more than 3 players who can create their own shot? does that mean they’re in as much “trouble” as the bulls are in?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    nbk, Noah was number 43 in the preseason 50.
    Surprisingly, not a lot of hate there.
    But it did almost become a “is Noah the next Rodman” debate.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ Speaking of the importance of a good big man, is Mike D’Antoni serious with playing Jared Jeffries against Dwight Howard? Everyone realizes that Dwight didn’t have to guard his man for a single possession last night? He literally guarded the hoop and played offense, that was probably the least energy consuming night of Dwight’s season, and he went OFF.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I just said Chris Paul is better than Derrick Rose.
    I’ve alwasy said he’s better because he is more efficient and a better defender.
    So, yes, he scored 22 points on 16 shots and shot a great percentage from the field. That’s because he’s better. It doesn’t mean it’s not crazy difficult. Paul was the first player since Magic to put up those numbers. He’s pretty freaking special. Saying that it can’t be hard because Paul did it, and he’s shorter doesn’t make sense.

  • JTaylor21

    You call that being double teamed? I mean come on. You’re a smart guy but I think you’re just arguing for argument sake.
    For example, last night the way the knicks were guarding DHow down the stretch was by double-teaming him. The way the Magic guarded Melo was to send an extra guy mainly DHow to zone off an area of the court whenever Melo had the ball in the high post area.
    That’s called zoning off an area of the floor to deter a player from getting to the rim. The celtics do it so well vs elite iso players like Bron, Wade, Rose, and Kobe.
    I think you are confusing trapping and loading up on the strong side with double/triple teams.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    And like airs said, what’s dissapointing about Noah is just his not being able to play more.
    But you can’t fault Noah at all, the guy played injured for almost a month before they finally made him have surgery.
    But when he plays and is healthy, he is such an asset.
    Remember the first Bulls/Lakers game this season?
    Lakers won, but Noah bothered the hell out of Pau Gasol, 12 points on 30% shooting.

  • T-Money

    airs: putting the moves to on a defender from a standstill position in an island is not part of deng’s repertoir. he catches the ball on the move, coming off screens and curls, runs the break and shoot spot-up jumpers. really good player that any team would want but not a creator.

  • JTaylor21

    So you’re telling me that DRose isn’t special?
    I mean all I’ve been hearing this season from the media and fans alike is just how special the guys is. From the numbers he’s putting up, to the way he carries a team, to the way he improved every aspect of his game in the off-season. People are ready to crown him the MVP in only his 3rd season which would make him the youngest in history.
    Sounds pretty special to me.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I see Allen’s point, regarding double and triple teams. Teams trap Rose to get the ball out of his hands. Teams double Howard to get the ball out of his hands.
    Now, Rose isn’t the only player to get trapped off of a P/R. It happens to Deron and CP a lot. I have seen certain teams trap CP off of a P/R for whole games. Boston did it almost exclusively last week.
    JAHMAI
    CP is better than Rose at every aspect besides scoring. Maybe Rose is a better rebounder, but that is not a definite.
    Rose is having a better season yes, but how you can say that after one great year, he is better than CP, who has had two seperate years better than this one, and is coming back from major surgery yet still putting up better numbers across the board than Rose, is beyond me.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i think deng is still a little underrated in that respect. remember when he crossed bron?! but i still think the bulls have a good offensive foundation. rose and boozer will be the focus of their sets, but that leaves room for a deng, korver, noah to get theirs in where they fit in, and they do that quite nicely.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I’m glad Deng is finally getting the respect and recognition that he deserves.
    But just like I got no problem calling out people that said Rose wasn’t sh*t before this season, I gotta call out my fellow Bulls fans on this one.
    Y’all KNEW what Deng brought to the table for years, dating back to when he was our next great player and almost landed us Kobe, but when Deng got hurt a few season back, so many Bulls fans took to saying “Deng ain’t sh*t”, “Deng sucks”, “Deng doesn’t deserve that contract”, “Deng is soft”, etc.
    I was living just outside of Chicago in Rose’s rookie year and all year long alls I heard from most Bulls fans was how much Deng sucked.
    Now y’all wanna act like he’s all improved this year and he’s finally earning his money.
    Negative, he’s always had game like this.
    He’s finally healthy and he finally has a coach who knows what the hell he’s doing.
    Now Bulls fans found a new favorite target: Keith Bogans.
    But I’m telling y’all once again, Bogans does what he’s paid to do and does it well.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I agree about Deng, Matic, even had a short convo yesterday with someone trying to say Deng was MIP, but Bogans does what he’s paid to do? Shoot 37% from 3? I know he’s their “defensive stopper” but that whole team is great defensively. I think the Bulls NEED an upgrade at the 2 to win anything. They will get through a first, and maybe even second round series, but they aren’t gettin a title with Bogans at the 2 IMO

  • T-Money

    mike wilbon said in his latest chat that he wouldn’t trade noah for howard because of intangibles and chemistry. i lol’ed.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I concur.
    They do need an upgrade at the 2, nbk.
    We went back and forth about the proposed Courtney Lee for Omer Asik trade around the deadline.
    And I’m glad they kept “Asik and Destroy” (love that nickname) cause dude has gobs of potential, but it would be nice to get an upgrade at the 2 this offseason.
    Make it happen, Walsh…er, GarPax.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I agree with Wilbon.
    The best players doesn’t always make the best team.
    Rose and Noah work beautifully together.
    Who’s to say Rose and Howard would be as effective?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Then again, when you’re talking of a player of Howard’s caliber…maybe you just need to take that chance.
    It’s not like the Bulls’ D would suffer or like we’d lose a player at an important position, which was the reasoning behind not trading Noah for Melo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Noah does something Howard doesn’t, he passes the ball like a guard. I think Noah is also part of the key to Rose being a scorer, because the offense can be run through Noah as a decision maker / distributor. I’m not saying I agree that I wouldn’t trade Noah for Howard, but I can see the advantage to having Noah with a player like Rose over Howard.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Noah’s always been an above-average player for a center, even in college, but Brad Miller also deserves a lot of credit for helping to develop Noah in that sense at the pro level.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Michael Wilbon hasn’t been supportive of the Bulls since 1998. All of a sudden, he’s their biggest fan. His love for his hometown team is suspect. I’ve watched PTI for years and while the Bulls suffered through tougher times, he never spoke so glowingly about the organization. Call him a bandwagoner if you feel comfortable with it. I’d venture this opinion: If the Bulls had Dwight Howard instead of Noah, thy’d be the odds on favorites to win the title.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    *I meant above-average passer

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, you’re kidding right?
    You wouldn’t trade Noah for DHow?
    Damn, I not the biggest Howard fan but dude is the only great center in the L and put him on any team, it becomes a contender overnight.
    Now just imagine Rose and Howard on the same squad, teams would be afraid to leave Howard to help on Rose and vice versa.
    I’m sorry but Howard for Noah is a no brainer.

  • T-Money

    um. i was passing this info to share a collective laughter. people want to actually debate this? oh lawd.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    His defense posture is greater than Noah’s and his offensive skills, although not historic, make Noah’s offensive skill set seem minuscule. He would also help cover Boozer’s shortcomings MORE than Noah currently does. I understand the effort seems like it’s there more with Noah, but talent at the center spot is hard to come by. Franchise talent at the center spot is almost extinct. Let’s not forget that.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Like I said, it looks GREAT on paper, but Noah and Rose have outstanding chemistry together and they have each other’s backs 100%.
    That can’t be dismissed so easily.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enig….unless the Bulls win the title this season, and if the Magic take a similar stance with Howard as the Nuggets did with Melo, I would think they’d pull the trigger to trade him to Orlando if they could pick up Dwight. Sh*t, how long were the rumors floating around that he could have been moved for Melo this season. I get chemistry, damn, who had better chemistry than STAT and Nash, but in the end, where did that get them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I agree with E on this. Chemistry will only get you so far. Unless Howard is a disruptive locker room presence, or refuses to follow the game plan, I fail to see how he wouldn’t be a significant upgrade over Noah.

  • Showtime

    Umh ok to sum every ones point. Derrick is the most exciting player to watch this year..thus he should be M.V.P.But he not putting up the same m.v.p cadencey of chris paul year he should have won.Cp3 is the most efficent player league thus. Still best point guard.If magic could play inside game more religiously,which intel they would have more wins thus cement d12 phenomenal year wit the m.v.p award.Even with a great year with 60 win obtainable& 2 wins from 1rst the critics will have maimi for fail if they dont win it all. & newyork is still newyork no matter what because of dumb owners and stupid gm decisions

  • Bruno

    I like Noah’s game and effort but whoever said that damn!!! I don’t think chemistry would destroy any other center in the east or the league

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Trading Joakim Noah for Dwight Howard? I don’t know…
    I know that Dwight is an awesome offensive force, but it’s the little things that Joakim has in his game that Dwight doesn’t that counts more for more than just the rebounds, blocks and dunks.
    I’d have to think long and hard about it, but right now, I agree with Wilbon. I wouldn’t make that trade.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    This is actually remarkable. I’m not sure if any of you Chicago guys could constitute having valid basketball opinions any longer. For real? I mean, you do realize that the Bulls aren’t the 1990′s Bulls and Noah hasn’t anchored a 6 title run already, right? Dwight has lead a team to the Finals already. That should give him some leahway from the jump.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I’m saying, ultimately the trigger would be pulled if Otis Smith ever suffered a traumatic brain injury and decided a Howard for Noah trade would help his team out.
    Alls I’m saying is it’s not a “no-brainer”.
    Better believe Gar Foreman and John Paxson would stop and think about how it would affect the team.
    Would Howard be happy with sharing the spotlight? He’s never had to before.
    Who’s the best player he’s played with in Orlando? An old Vince Carter? A washed up Steve Francis? Rashard Lewis?
    How would Howard and Boozer co-exist? Offensively, they’re both back to the basket types. Granted, that would be a great problem for any franchise to have, but still.
    Would Howard, or any other player on the Bulls, be able to replace Noah’s intensity, his heart, his hustle?
    I don’t recall ever seeing Howard make some of the hustle plays that Noah makes on a nightly basis.
    Would Howard accept playing lesser minutes to help Asik’s development? Management has made it clear that Asik’s a part of the team’s future for many years to come.
    Gar Foreman has proven that he’s not the “shoot first, ask questions later” type when it comes to pulling a trigger on a trade, and I think the Bulls are better off for him taking that approach.
    There’s no debate as to who’s the better player.
    None.
    Dwight Howard is a top 5 player in the League.

  • http://pickand.tumblr.com airs

    Matic, I totally feel you about deng, and I probabaly felt that he let us down a bit too after the big contract. but he’s always been a huge factor in the bulls success. Still though, that contract was bonkers

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just to touch on one of your points…..Dwight played exceptionally well with Gortat as his back up….and enjoyed his best team success playing in tandem with a solid backup C. Why wouldn’t he sacrifice offensive numbers to play with a top talent like Rose? At some point soon, most of the truly great players will ALL be teammates in some form or another, so in reality, he’d be making a much smarter move combining his efforts in a Voltron-like way…then trying to win as the centerpiece (pardon the pun) with holes in his game that would be covered very nicely with a premier backcourt player at his side.

  • http://pickand.tumblr.com airs

    But about noah for howard, I don’t think its as much a no brainer as people think. Noah is the heart and soul of the bulls, itd suck to see him go. Like it did wheb kirk left

  • http://google J-Ro

    NO love for Chuck Hayes’ triple Dub?

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