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Tuesday, March 29th, 2011 at 8:10 am  |  310 responses

Post Up: Sigh of Relief

Carmelo leads Knicks to much-needed win; Celts and Spurs fall.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

New York 113, Orlando 106

After declaring this one a must-win and displaying some very overdue urgency, Carmelo Anthony came through for the Knicks fans last night, scoring 39 and lifting NY to an overtime victory over Orlando. After Jason Richardson sunk a huge trey at the end of regulation and Melo followed by barely missing a potentially game-winning tip-in, the Knicks held their poise as the Magic unraveled in extra time. First Dwight Howard (29 points, 18 boards) was called for an over-the-back foul—his sixth (in game)—then was T’ed up on his way out—his 17th (in season)—providing a jumping-off point for NYK to gain momentum, as the team played tough D and held on to get the W. JRich added 24 for Orlando (though he was called for a silly tripping foul shortly after Dwight’s departure), while Amar’e Stoudemire put in a modest 20 for the Knicks. The win ends New York’s dreadfully embarrassing six-game losing streak.

Charlotte 87, Milwaukee 86

Two teams fighting for position to kind of, maybe make a half-decent run at the Pacers’ eighth spot in the East. This came down to the wire, and with the Cats up one, they botched what should’ve been a simple in-bounds play with under 10 seconds to go. The Bucks then stormed up the court, but Brandon Jennings (26 points, but 2-12 shooting in the fourth) missed a runner, then after a rebound flew around a little, Jennings received a pass back and missed a three that would’ve won it. The Bobcats held on, putting them one full game back of Indiana, while Milwaukee stands a much tougher three games out.

Indiana 107, Boston 100

Pre-postseason rest, or age catching up with the team? We’ll find out in a couple weeks, but we know in the meantime that it’s a decent time to feast on this currently sluggish Celtics squad. The Pacers won after a big fourth quarter put them ahead, led by center Roy Hibbert and his game-high 26. Also, Boston center Nenad Krstic scored 7 points and had a +/- of -14. I’m not saying he was at fault, or that the trade that sent the Celts’ previous center away was at fault, but I’m just sayin’.

Washington 100, Utah 95

Gordon Hayward attempted and failed to recreate some Butler-styled heroics at the end of regulation, after which the Wizards jumped ahead and won in OT, earning their second road win all season. John Wall put up a solid 28-6-7 stat line, and Washington young’n Jordan Crawford added 25.

Philadelphia 97, Chicago 85

Derrick Rose (31 points) played well, but he didn’t get the help he needed, and Philly used a well-rounded offensive attack to impressively knock down the No. 1-seeded Bulls on the road. Thaddeus Young led ‘em with 21, while Andre Iguodala put up a 19-7-7 effort.

Portland 100, San Antonio 92

The Spurs and the Celtics are looking a lot like cousins these days. And not like third cousins that you see on the holidays; like first cousins that you grew up next door to and eat three family dinners with each week. Injured, old and (seemingly) tired, the Spurs dropped their fourth straight, competing without any of their three best players. OK, with the surging Lakers right behind them, San Antonio is in definitively worse shape than the C’s. Portland was led by Andre Miller, who scored 26. Also, props go out to George Hill, who scored a game-high 27 and did his best to keep the down-and-beaten Spurs competitive, despite the fact that only a single other teammate scored in double figures.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Derrick Rose didn’t play well, yes he had 31 on 12-24 shooting but he had 10 TO’s. That’s just way too many, after the game he said: ‘put this one on me’. At least he always takes responsibility for the losses, but the rest of the team didn’t play that well either, they shot 37% and the Bulls just came out very sluggish. The defense wasn’t working and whenever they came back the Sixers made a run of their own. Frustrating loss. Glad we have Minnesota coming up. Great redeem game.

  • bull22

    chicago bulls just need to continue to improve, thats what the regular season is for. any great team is going to have a few bad games during the regular season. like i have been saying the whole season, the regular season is a step to the championship, so next month begins the hardcore task of winning 16 games, too much ball left to be crowning anyone. but chicago has a great attitude and things are still looking really good.. GO BULLS!

  • blakos

    Shot Melo

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    You know what’s awesome? It feels like Bulls fans are taking over NBA arenas, every arena they go too, they have so many bulls fans. They have Jordan and those 84-98 Bulls to thank for. But Drose also has that special something about him, even last year his jersey sales were in the top 5. He is starting to get that Kobe-like following (haters included). Rose is the kind of guy that will start debates everywhere the next 10 years. Well, lots of fans everywhere but not in Boston. :P

  • bull22

    yep, but the haters dont know much about basketball… what separates rose is that unlike the big three dersch bags in miami and carmelo, rose recognizes that NOTHING has been accomplished yet!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Who’s the idiot who was on here last week saying the Spurs might be in trouble?
    Oh, that was me.

  • blakos

    Keep Slurping bull22

  • bull22

    did the knicks win the NBA TITLE last night?
    hahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahha

  • blakos

    keep sl#rping bull22

  • Pharoah

    Lakers can actually take over top spot now. Only 4 back now and they play the Spurs once more so watch out.

  • RobbieJay

    well like we expected, the spurs were eventually going to have this “age” problem. and i dont know whats wrong with the celts, i think trading perkins just changed their whole defensive mentality, maybe even offense too. and i garuntee d rose is going to go H A M in the next two games, he always does after a disapointing game (well 31 isnt disapointing, but 10 t.o’s is.)

  • Darren

    Carmelo calls it a must win, and he backs up his talk. What more can he do to get the haters off his back?

  • MUBWAR

    watching the game I don’t think the Bulls were having a bad game at all, the sixers were just executing better. Mini LBJ Iggy was just running circles all over Deng and boozer. Rose dropped 31 n still took the blame while Mr Glass(booz) was acting all cool

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    Right now the Lakers are 3 games back in the L column…..
    Jahmai, you raise an interesting point. TPU often mentions someone playing well if they score a lot of points, without referencing shot percentage or turnovers.
    The Bulls are only 2 games ahead of a surging Miami team…

  • Bruno

    I prefer the Lakers to finish 2nd so they don’t end up playing the grizlies in the playoffs

  • MUBWAR

    can u imagine Spurs being knocked out by memphis a la Dallas. Knicks can upset the Celtics too.

  • SpursFan

    No Duncan, Manu, Parker, and Mcdyess. We were up by 8 with like 5 to go, then we lost it

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Last night the stars were aligned at the World’s Most Famous Arena. We witnessed the christening of Carmelo Anthony as a New York Knickerbocker, and celebrated Walt “Clyde” Frazier’s birthday. WINNING and GRINNING!

  • Bruno

    NY-Miami in the first round that’s all I want

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I’m sure a guy like Skip Bayless will HAMMER Drose for his game last night and he will look over his 30pts 17ast comeback super clutch game against the Bucks

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Darren: Melo feeds off of that hate like Kobe. Real talk.

  • T-Money

    the thing with the celtics is kg feels much more comfortable howlin and growlin when he has big perk or sheed next to him. he’s been awfully quiet when partenered with krstic or jeff green. and did troy murphy forget how to play hoops?

  • T-Money

    and i actually wanted miami to get him! so not hating, but he’s been a disaster.

  • bull22

    no blakos, iam not into slurping schtick like you…. reality is my game, otherwise the bulls would not been number 1! once the playoffs begin the contenders are separated from the pretenders.. iam very eager to see all the bottom feeder teams and their fans eat it!!

  • T-Money

    he wasn’t feeding off it for the last 6 games but now he is? ok. i hate sports radio talk. what does it even mean to feed off the hate? did that make him more accurate on his pull up? gave him tighter handles?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    T-Money, I don’t buy that. KG was talking trash when he had Mark Blount and Oliver Miller as his 5. Maybe the Celts are reigning it in until the play-offs, maybe he just is not talking as much because they are losing a lot.

  • phli

    My squad just wanted that game more than the bulls last night. Rose is the MVP because no one else on his team consistently plays well for them. If he has any off game they don’t have a shot to win. Noah and Boozer fumbling passes, deng shooting 3-11, and shooting 60% from the foul line will not win you a game. Rose seemed like he was the only one on their team that wanted to win. It’s too much pressure on one player having only one ball handler on the team and two non scorers in your starting 5 in Noah and bogans. They need a legitimate starting 2 guard in the off-season

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    My bad, I thought last night was Frazier’s B-Day when he got those snickers.

  • blakos

    Not like those dersch bags aye Bullseye?

  • Fat Lever

    After getting drilled by 45 against Chicago, the Sixers have quietly won the last 2 to take the season series. That Sacramento loss was terrible, but when this team is focused, that have a balanced attack that is almost unmatched in the NBA. Thad was destroying Boozer yesterday and the Sixers help d on Rose’s drives was very good, as evidenced by the 10 turnovers. Jrue Holiday is the key to this team’s success. When he plays smart and doesn’t create unnecessary TO’s, this team can beat anyone. The playoffs should be very interesting, let’s see how Doug motivates these guys.

  • roc

    The average cat watching basketball does not realize how much responsibility and wear and tear the bulls put on rose. I fear that the kid’s body my start to break down quicker than expected because their whole offense depends on him to generate points for others and himself. Lebron was in a similar situation in Cleveland that’s why he went to Miami with wade. Boozer still looks hurt as well as Noah and deng and bogans can’t handle the ball at all. They struggle against athletic teams with perimeter shooting bigs. If the knicks play them in the playoffs amare would have a field day.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    bulls looked weird in the 4th quarter. there was one play where derrick ran off a screen and completely dropped an easy pass, and then barely hustled back on D. he played okay, but they didn’t look like the team they were all year. it wasn’t a good look for the bulls last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    It’s always interesting watching Bulls home games and listening to their announcers and how EVERY DROSE foray to the basket is a foul if he doesn’t score. Dude is fast and everything but he doesn’t get fouled every single time. There’s times he just misses easy ones and there’s times the defense plays him well straight up. Even Kobe doesn’t get those calls that much anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Adam Figman

    Co-sign Bruno. Knicks-Heat in first round is a must.

  • Feez22

    1st of all, comeback win against the bucks? … comeback win against the worst offensive team in the league? shouldn’t have been behind in the first place. then again 17 asst-2 turnovers for rose is GREAT and is EXACTLY how i thought he would play to garner an MVP(not to the tune of 17&2 but more like 10-11&3). too bad he’s going to be an mvp as an inefficient volume shooter that has shot 40% since all star break…

    2nd of all, I don’t even care how crappy the celts play at the end of the season. why? bc without garnett they were 1 game away from the conf finals and with playing horribly to end the season last yr (.500 basketball) they were 1 HALF away from winning that nba championship. There is such thing as being a team built for the playoffs. The celtics are a team like that. So are the lakers… Which brings me to my 3rd point…

    How have the bulls become the Faves to win the nba championship this year? Last time i checked, rose has never won a playoff series, boozer has never made a nba finals and their most experienced playoff players (3 former jazz players) haven’t fared well matchup wise in the later rounds. Teams just don’t go from losing winning 0 playoff series to winning 4 series especially a team that has added a good but decreasing big man talent in booz and a bunch of roleplayers ( & don’t even bother mentioning the 06-07 celtics they added 2 stars in allen and garnett. The bulls have only added 1 star whom is not on the level of a 07-08 garnett). Its like some of you bulls fans have forgotten what playoff winning is about. The bulls have defense and rebounding on their side but this is not a team that can win with derrick rose shooting 40-44% in a series. This is NOT the lakers. If you think in your right mind that rose’s shooting will automatically shoot to 48-49% come playoff time you are awfully wrong. He still has trouble with the double team. Now imagine him getting doubled on every single play in the fourth quarter. His percentages are bound to DROP in the playoffs… Mostly every VOLUME SHOOTER (which is what rose undoubtedly is) experiences a dropoff come playoff time. & please don’t even bother bringing his series last year against the cavs into this… Mo williams, the worst defensive pg this side of jose calderon is not in the east nor on any contending team. he will not be anywhere to save rose. This brings me to my last point…

    The playoffs are about exploiting matchups. The ONLY matchups the bulls will have to exploit against teams come playoff time is rose and their defense-rebounding. come playoff time, the celtics-heat will have exploits over the bulls. Bulls fans will push “team basketball” and such but the bulls truly aren’t that great of an offensive team. Your leading scorer takes the MOST SHOTS IN THE LEAGUE (around 20) and shoots 44% from the field. offensively speaking i’d say you are going to be rose or bust come playoff time. way to go team. The celts truly play team basketball. Even though the heat are a 3 man team at least they are 2 men or bust with their 2 best players being the most efficient wing scorers in the entire NBA. Not to mention both lebron and wade being playoff ready (and their play recently has indicated to me they will be top knotch come playoff time with lebron shooting 57% since all star break and wade stepping his defense WAY UP). The bulls aren’t the faves to win the nba championship. They are only 1-2 games up on the celts and heat its not like they are playing on a level untouched by the other “contenders”

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i ain’t about to read all that. jeez

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    He said something about DRose being a volume shooter, he threw in some ALL CAPS for dramatic effect and then something about the Celtics and Heat being built for the playoffs.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    thanks for the cliffs notes, fleming! to that i say, meh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    lol @airs

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Play of the game , Melo and Richardson wrestling in the back court.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    ok, i’ve had it with DRose crack fiends. Ya’ll need rehab. DRose is a dime-a-dozen (yes I said it) athletic point guard. Not to take away from his talent, but haven’t you seen Steve Nash. You also have recently, John Wall, Reke, RWestbrook, DWILL, umm this guy name Rondo, yeah he’s ok too, CP3, Monta, Jameer, but this is pointless to explain because, that DRose, BlueMagic, American Gangster shyt is what everybody is on lately.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    drose is the most polarizing dude in the league today. its so weird. its like people hate the fact that other people can like him. i can see how it can get annoying however, some people here take it over the top haha.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I believe that Derrick Rose is now the basketball equivalent of Chuck Norris. It’s almost comical.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “A dime a dozen athletic PG.”
    LMAO.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    That over the back on Dwight Howard was bs. A’mare should have attempted to box out, rather than flop. When I watch the Knicks, his only attempt at defense is to use the “pull the chair” move.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    derrick rose once visited The Virgin Islands. they are now called The Islands.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dude is nice. Having a great season. Plays for a solid team. There’s about 5-10 players every season that can make that same claim. Bulls fans have been deprived of these type of statements for over a decade. That’s as simple as I can make this. It’s ridiculous at this point. If Lebron or Kobe had a night like last night, all their haters would do would be point out the 10 turnovers and their fans would argue on their prior merits. If you do that to the Rose Buds, you’re accused of cyber murder. Annoyance isn’t even the correct word right now.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    E: can’t wait for Coban to install a “Rose, Illinois Ranger” lever behind his desk.

  • MLK4Life

    Folks, the Knicks still won’t play defense. Carmelo is a pure scorer. He’s never rebounded the way he truly can on a consistent basis. Amare will grow frustrated with not getting as many touches and shots as he’s used to. They’ll be done in the first round.
    The difference between Rose and the other point guards isn’t just athleticism, it’s his control. He’s faster than Chris Paul and as strong as Deron Williams. I understand the blind LeBron love that runs rampant on here. But at some point, you have to give the man his due. Steve Nash has never been interested in defense. Rondo still can’t shoot. Jameer Nelson is strong but not nearly as fast or athletic. Westbrook is a better defender but not as polished offensively. Facts are facts whether you want to see it or not. At the end of the day, the Bulls are first in the East, Thibs has coached this team to the 1st seed in his first season, Rose has elevated his game to an MVP level and they’re the best defensive team in the league.
    Stacey King and the other guy who does Bulls games are notoriously full of love for anything that Rose does, accepted. Even for a DRose/Bulls fan, it’s annoying to listen to them make off the wall comparisons between him and Mike. Let the brother create his own legacy. For the record, Rose did average 25 in the first round against the Cavs last year and let’s not forget what he did against the Celtics in his rookie season playoff run. This guy is special. Accept it.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    @Eboy that would make LBJ the basketball equivalent of David Carradine, chokeing but still feeling himself.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That may be true Boing, but he’s won numerous playoff series, so he can at least tie his own noose.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I watched the game last night (unfortunately) and Stacey King is just an ignorant moron. He’s laughable and harmless. He just waits for the opportunity to unleash his catchphrases. The other clown, there’s not even words to describe his shi*tiness. The thing that irked me the most? The Bulls, down 12 or something with like 20 seconds left in the game kept saying things like “it appears that the Bulls will drop this game” and “time appears to be running out”. YOU THINK? Down double digits with 8 seconds left….you think you might lose the game? You finally accepted it? Shut the f*ck up. The Heat’s guys may have annoying voices but dammit if they don’t give props to other teams/players that play well and criticize the Heat when they’ve sucked. Perspective is nice every once in a while.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    and that dime a dozen comment, ridiculous. to even be a scalabrine on a team is remarkable. millions of people want to be in the nba but aren’t. but of course, we can always find the next great point guard on the street in case something bad ever happens. and stacey king can be really annoying at times, but he’s just saying things crazed bulls fans at home are shouting at their tv.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    yeah, johnny redd was always sure to give a swift kick in the nuts to the bulls when they were playing like sh*t

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I wore myself out arguing with nbk yesterday, so I’m abstaining for a while. Rose took two bad teams that probably shouldn’t even have made the playoffs to the playoffs. When he got there they took the Celtics 7 games and he had great individual games. They played great against the Cavs too. So taking a bad team with a bad coach and overachieving with them is now somehow used as a knock against Rose? If the Bulls don’t win anything this year with a good coach and a capable team, then I’ll start to listen to all this “Rose hasn’t won a playoff series yet” talk. Until then everyone’s just looking for a reason to hype their own guy and discredit others. Eboy is amused at all the Chicago fans supporting Rose but sees nothing wrong with blindly supporting any Heat player and all their on and off the court antics like they can do no wrong. Pot meet kettle. Good day all. I’m taking a few days break from this place.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Yeah Stacey king broke out “Boozy Woozy” @ one point and i had to change the channel.

  • T-Money

    wow, boing went there. lol / d-rose is nice. really, really nice. 2nd team all-nba nice (no, he’s not better than dwade or kobe). what i find ridiculous is when bulls fans talk about him like he is in a league of his own.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/03/ricky-rubio-open-to-signing-with-timberwolves-next-year/ X

    Hallelujah we won

  • blakos

    Co-sign Eboy Posted: Mar.29 at 11:25 am. Rose is playing amazing ball but its getting ridiculous

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    but i disagree with one thing eboy, if kobe or lebron had night like that, i dont think the haters would just mention something like 10 turnovers, im sure they’d lay in on them. maybe not now cuz they’re more ‘established’ than derrick. hell, its his breakout season; more national coverage, more spotlight, more attention. with the good comes the bad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Diesel is truly mildly retarded. This is not even debatable now. NO ONE kills the Heat and their stars/coach/role players more than me. Get your head out of your a*s and argue with nbk more. It’s funny to see you scramble every time he presented you with evidence to the contrary of your arguments and then get frustrated when you can’t prove him wrong.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Eboy, I’m a Bulls and Derrick Rose fan and the first thing I said today was that he didn’t play well (1st comment of TPU). Like I said before today, Rose is going down the Kobe road when it comes to following. Large fanbase, people will defend him to death, starts gaining more and more ‘haters’. If you like watching basketball, how can you not like watching Drose? Throw out all the stats and crap, after all it’s entertainment. Drose, together with Griffin and Bron have to be the most entertaining players in the league to watch.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    airs…..I don’t see anyone hating on Rose for his 10 turnover performance here…..or chiding the Bulls for dropping the game to the Sixers. It was an off night. It happens. But for every fool that’s saying sh*t like “we’ll now the next team is going to experience an as*-whipping like never before” because Derrick will “will” himself to do it…well, that’s just stupidity.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like Rose, Jahami. I saw your comment. You’re not being critical of a guy you root for. You’re stating the obvious. There’s a difference. It’s ok to call out your guy when he sucks in a game. I do it all the time when Lebron/Bosh/Wade play poorly. I pay enough money each season to see those guys play to feel it’s warranted criticism. It also makes everyone else’s criticisms not seem so bad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    It’s not stupidity at all, if you followed Drose this season. Lose to kings after having 35 points last season @home, comesback next year, destroys the Kings by 40. Missesgame-tying FT against the Clips, next games absolutely murders em to the tune of 30pts, 11 ast. Bad loss to the Hawks, comes back drops 30,8 + 30pt win. Great @ Lakers but dissapears in the 4th, next game, 29 points and 2 clutch baskets to win. Derrick Rose and the Bulls have been great in games after tough loss.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i got you E. i know its not apparent today, and thats a good thing. but for every fool that says something like that, there’s an equally ignorant one claiming drose ain’t sh*t or something like he’s a dime a dozen.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Let me give you an example: I read someone’s comment last night that said “they predict with certainty that Derrick Rose will have a better career than Dwyane Wade”. That’s interesting. How would you know that? Actually, how would you gauge that? Do you use the Kobe/Lebron argument that unless Derrick and the Bulls win a title (at least one) he can’t be as successful as Dwyane ’cause he didn’t win a title? Do you use individual stats…which are pretty much a wash at this point and Dwyane has a full playoff resume to work with as well? I mean, where does it end? If Derrick does win MVP this season, does he move into Kobe Bryant territory as being a great one-time MVP winner? See where this is heading? No? I’ll tell you then. Nowhere. You’re speaking about sh*t that may/may not happen….not taking into account potential injury/other intangibles that can derail a dude’s skill-set. It’s maddening.

  • T-Money

    see, this is when bulls fans get delirious! jahmai: who said that they didn’t like watching rose? if i don’t think he’s the best pg in the game and i wouldn’t have him as my mvp… that means i don’t like watching him play? geez. (i’d give the mvp to dwight. he’s the most valuable player to his team on BOTH ends of the floor. orlando is nothing without him, their whole offensive and defensive system revolves around his play. they funnel guys to him on D and shoot 3s off his post ups on O.)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @T-money, not talking to anyone specificly but I did read here, Drose is a dime a dozen and people, now that the MVP race is nearing it’s end, are talking about the numbers, the advanced statistics, like they do on ESPN and alot of articles on the internet, and how Drose isn’t deserving of the MVP award as much because of those numbers, so it wasn’t a question asked at anyone or a harsh remark towards someone, I was just wondering, how can you not appreciate what’s in front of us right now, in Drose?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    haha, thats all we do here though, we’re shootin the sh*t half the time. sometimes its hard to read arguments on here between bulls fans and others, but i can relate to both sides. im a die hard bulls fan though, so i know i’ll say some stuff that’ll be straight up biased.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Eboy, are you talking to me or another Bulls fan? Because I wasn’t the one saying Drose will have a better career than Dwade.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’ll say this too: if Lebron goes his whole career and doesn’t win a title, do you think 8-10 years from now when he leaves the game, and he still puts up fantastic numbers into his mid thirties, guys will say he was horrible? That he wasn’t a special talent? You can say he wasn’t a winner at the highest level, but could you say he wasn’t an all-world talent for a decade? I mean, can Rose have that type of career? It’s possible, but who knows. Dirk Nowitski has had that career. Charles Barkley had that career. Karl Malone had that career. Patrick Ewing had that career. Reggie Miller had that sort of career. Tons of hugely talented guys didn’t play to a title win but weren’t chastised like Lebron has been. Its it fair? Who cares. Every one has an opinion. Not everyone of them matters or makes a difference. It won’t change the dude’s game. We can say tons of sh*t but it doesn’t affect these dudes one bit. Sometimes that line is blurred by fandom and the angles of the press.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It was you, Jahami?…I wasn’t sure because I was skimming the comments late last night and I didn’t put screenames together with comments, just reading. That’s a bit absurb….yes, I believe that. Sorry. I’m not sure where you can make such a definitive statement. It seems fanboyish.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Question for Eboy, don’t you get annoyed when Skip Bayless bashes LeBron, like he ain’t crap? When people on TV who are being watched by alot of people just say the most dumb sh*t?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    It WAS NOT me. :P

  • JTaylor21

    Why are Rose fans always defending him to the death like he’s paying their rent?
    Who cares that Skip Baseless doesn’t think he’s the MVP? Who cares that there are people out there who think that other players are more deserving of the award? People that refuse to worship at the rose tabernacle are labeled haters and should be burned alive at the stake according to rose fans.
    Drose fans only see the great plays and choose to ignore the bad ones, they shouldn’t be labeled fans more like male groupies.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    JT, come on now. All superstars have that kind of following. LeBron fans and Kobe fans do the same thing. Now, I’m not saying all LeBron or all Kobe fans do it but it happens.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sorry, I read your comment wrong. So whoever it was, they can read my comment as it was wrote to them.

  • Fat Lever

    At what point do the Sixers get credit for beating the Bulls? I’m just asking, because it seems like people are saying more that the Bulls gave that game away as opposed to the Sixers winning it. Sixers came out with intensity that the Bulls matched in the 2nd half, only the Sixers withstood the run.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, actually it’s normal human behaviour, when you believe in something, you defend it when you feel the need to.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    What’s happening to my (sorry JT, Allen and all the others who don’t like this possessive pronoun associate to sports teams) Celtics?
    I knew loosing Hulk (I mean Perk) would be hard, but this hard???
    This is starting to remind me of when the Pistons traded Billups 4 my man Ivy…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Don’t act like you never do.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Do I get annoyed at Skip Bayless? Hell no. Why would I? That dude knows less than me about the game and I can guarantee you he never PLAYED the game at the level I did, so I can’t take a dude like him seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you watched that game, you say two of the Bulls biggest problems.
    1. They depend on Carlos Boozer to play defense.
    2. They depend on Carlos Boozer to play consistent offense.
    Just check the tape on Boozer. He’s only slightly better than David West. Look at the series he had in Utah, and the way he would kill one game, then disappear the next. Or, disappear for entire series. And look at the numbers his opponents put up against him.
    It’s a credit to Rose and Thibodeau that they’ve been able to hide Boozer’s failings for this long. Maybe they can do it throughout the playoffs. But the reason I don’t trust Chicago is Carlos Boozer. With a similarly talented team and a very good coach, he consistently crapped the bed for Utah.
    I don’t see that changing.

  • JTaylor21

    Those guys do have a following but DRose fans in a short time have taken it to another level.
    The constant crying about Skip Baseless not respecting rose, the constant pouting about irrelevant people writing irrelevant articles about DRose’s mvp candidacy.
    What’s next? They going to claim that Mary Poppins doesn’t like Rose also and that a species from Planet X just wrote a article questioning whether DRose deserves the MVP.
    Crying about what other people think is useless and depressing for us all.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i been worrying about boozer all season, just hoping noah and gibson will be enough to pick up the slack. plus, his incessant howling gets annoying.

  • AllAround33

    The topic of DRose seems to always spur divisive debates. The irony is as humble and quiet as DRose is he could care less what others think.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Fat Lever
    The Sixers won that game with effort and coaching.
    Thaddeus Young exposed Carlos Boozer, and gave the business to Gibson too. (Although, Gibson get’s no respect from the refs. I love his game, but he gets no love on his drives or post ups from the refs.)
    Jrue Holliday, the best defensive point in the league right now, played perfect defense on Rose, and Doug Collins called for smart traps.
    Still, the Bulls handled things really well if it wasn’t for Boozer turning into the punk he truly is. Seriously, Rose was taking the double, making the correct pass to the big man at the elbow, and Noah was making smart decisions going to the rim. If Boozer hadn’t decided to try to turn into a pass first point guard, and start pouting when he couldn’t get foul calls, the Bulls could have come back and won that game.
    And yeah, Rose had 10 turnovers. So what? He had to try to put the team on his back, and that’s hard to do against a defensive team like Philly that doesn’t have great shot blockers but defends the passing lanes well, and has active hands.
    And whenever the Sixers didn’t double, Rose was outstanding. Dude is not on Tony Parker’s level at the rim, no one is, but he is getting closer. When he decided to get a bucket, if the Sixers didn’t commit multiple players to him, he was getting a bucket. If Boozer could have played like he had a fully functional scrotum, they would have come back and won that game.
    But, the Sixers hung tough, Elton Brand continued to show why he’s good, and despite some horrible decisions by Lou Williams, they got the win.
    The End.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, I’ve been saying those things, why the hell do you blame every bulls fan for that stuff? That’s messed up.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Rose will have a better career than Wade.
    There you go.
    Case you were wondering who said that.
    Let me say it again.
    Rose will have a better career than Wade.
    Barring injuries, of course.

  • bull22

    HOW many point guards DO YOU DROSE HATERS see that have their TEAM number one in standings right now as their star player!! i will tell you the ANSWER! ZERO! GET A NBA EDUCATION you IDIOTS THAT DON’T KNOW NBA BALL! NUFF SAID!

  • Brothaman

    @AllAround33- I think your second sentence is part of the problem. I probably speak for myself with this, but I’m kinda tired of hearing from Bulls fans about how humble and quiet Drose is. I like him, LeBron, Kobe, etc. for the ish they do ON the court. As long as they’re not breaking any laws, I could care less how they act off it

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enigmatic just moved the idiot curve. This is troubling. Just wow. I give up here.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I also said Wade is better than Rose right now, and it’s not even debatable.
    Though nbk and Diesel debated it all day while I was on a hiatus for the most part.
    What I said was, with the way Rose is playing right now at age 22, he will, I think I said, “almost certainly” have a more successful career than that of Wade.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Man lets switch this up, it is either a argument on Lebron, Rose, or Kobe every day. Celtics suck

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Justin Bieber will have a better career than Rose.
    Its easy to say things.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I’m not on some Cleo sh*t and I’m not feeling my favorite player a little too much.
    He still has miles to go.
    I’m merely point out that with his work ethic and his being so young, in my opinion, dude will be remember as having a better career than Wade when it’s all said and done.
    And you can take it how you want it, Eboy.
    If that makes me an idiot, so be it.
    I’ll get my Cletus Spuckler on and be the village idiot.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    how about this, craziest scalp: boozer vs. battier?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Must be a Duke thing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I liked it better here when the Laker slurpers ran their mouths. At least that team has won with significance in the 2000′s.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    This year’s playoffs are going to epic, probably the best of my time. So many great matchups in the 1st round already. So many storylines, so many things on the line. Only 18 more days to go!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    You gotta start somewhere, besides we all know how young Rose is and the Bulls have a young core, there’s lots of time for them to win a championship. As long as Thibs and Rose are here and management keeps up the good work, they should be fine.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You know who has a great young core? The Thunder. You know who doesn’t act like they’re the only team in the league of some significance? Thunder fans. Pay attention.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    *yawns*

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    BC must have had one hell of a night waking up at 1:18 and whatnot.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    the Thunder have existed for like 4 years, and the Bulls are the 3rd most storied franchise in the history of league, its not the same.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I’m actually taking a nice relaxed approach to things and being realistic and you’re bashing me for it? I’m not saying the Bulls are winning a chip this year, not saying Drose is the 2nd coming of Jordan and you’re still bashing me for it. Maybe, you should take notice of Thunder fans.

  • T-Money

    “If Boozer could have played like he had a fully functional scrotum, they would have come back and won that game.” bahahaha. you made me spit out my drink.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs
  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    okay i didnt mean to post up that link

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    What? It’s not the same? How the fu*k is it not the same? The Bulls HAVE a storied franchise because of one player and one coach. Don’t get your history twisted. Before Mike and Phil and since they left, the Bulls were a joke franchise. Derrick has brought them playoff potential, but that don’t mean sh*t to how another team has “future potential” too. Damn.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Oh, stop it, E.
    You’re part of a fanbase that’s much worse than the Bulls’.
    Most of us don’t think we’ll win it this year.
    Most of y’all already think you got the next seven sewn up cause Bron Bron said so.
    And I know you don’t believe that, but since we’re talking fanbases here.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    4 years of existence VS 6 rings = “What? It’s not the same? How the fu*k is it not the same?” LOL right on.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “Ya’ll” only applies to SLAMOnline, I assume, ’cause the basketball people I know outside of this place recognize realism when we speak about the game.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    it really isnt the same. bulls fans at least have something to be proud of, 6 times over. and yeah, maybe a good amount of them have pride spilling over to a point that it annoys people, but this IS the greatest thing yet to happen since jordan, and the hope for more is what makes bulls fans so adamant. bulls fans have been there and know how special something like this is, i don’t think OKC fans can grasp that yet.

  • T-Money

    Enigmatic: in his 3rd year, Wade was at 27 pts, 7 assists, 6 rebounds on 50% fg. He’s also a winner who mounted one of the greatest comebacks in NBA Finals history and has a very legit chance to add more rings in the next few years. On what basis are you projecting that D-Rose will have a better career? What’s your rationale?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    After reading through these comments, I’m so glad to be ensconced in HS basketball for a few days.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    and when i mean the greatest thing to happen since jordan, i really mean greatest thing to happen to the bulls, please don’t take that out of context.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would have to agree with the crazy bulls fans, at Rose’s rate of improvement its inevitable that he catches Dwyane Wade as a basketball player. Do I ever think he has as much success career wise, no not really, he isn’t on LeBron’s team. But skill/productivity wise I think Rose catches and passes Wade (the best version of him) by the time he’s 28. Wade will always be more efficient though.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    T-Money, in his 3rd year Wade was 24/25 years old.
    Rose is younger now and is only going to get better.
    Wade had a monster year that year, and in my opinion he’s one of the three best players in the league with LeBron and Kobe.
    I’m not saying that I beleive, without a shadow of a doubt, that he’ll have the better career.
    I’m saying I think. I could very well be wrong.
    So basically, as elemental as it sounds, I guess my rationale is because Rose has many more years to improve whereas Wade has peaked.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    And damn, is that kid improving.
    Rose will never be as good as b*tching to the refs as Wade though.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i’ll just say rose has a great shot at surpassing wade. why not? mvp at 22? why not? the kid is something special

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Why is it so hard for people to admit the Thunder and Sonics are essentially the same organization?
    “Four years of existence” would be accurate if they were an expansion team.
    They weren’t.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    some true words came out of Feez22′s mouth at 10:43. yall should read it and weep.

  • JTaylor21

    Chief Rose Peddler, I wonder what those HS kids really hear when you’re talking to them?
    “Rose *slurp slup*, rebound like rose slurp slurp, shoot like rose *slurp slurp*, defend and pass like oh wait never mind”

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    that’s true, matic. but in terms of their fanbase, they’ve only had fans for 4 years. and plus, i think sonics fans would never accept the thunder as their bastard team

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    wow nbk. INEVITABLE? really?
    better look up what that word means before claiming something so far into the future.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JT have you ever made it through a day without trying to start stuff? We already know you don’t like or respect anything from BC, those comments are just annoying now.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @airs,I understand that.
    But when you’re talking about the Thunder’s past accomplishments, you gotta include their Seattle days.
    I get the rift between Seattle and OKC fans, but you can’t just toss aside everything they did when they were the Sonics.
    @BC, you gonna hit up the McD’s game?
    Lucky a**. I been waiting for it to hit Chicago for years, and here it is and I’m stuck in Eskimo land.
    @AllenP – Jrue Holiday is the best defensive PG in the leauge??
    I honestly ain’t seen enough of him to say yay or nay, just curious to know what led you to make that claim.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I have Jrue Holiday as a top 5 defensive PG. – @Everything – read the whole comment, i didn’t say its inevitable that he ends up better, I said at “this rate of improvement” – which if you realize how much better Rose is now then he was last season is a true statement.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i think its just harder cuz the name is different. like when the jazz moved, they were still the jazz. just curious, is the sonics championship banner hanging in OKC?

  • Showtime

    This sh!t is gettin asiden now…rose is amazing but will be better then wade come on. He not even the best pg most exciting yes but all the stats that matter no. plus to me him & westbrook on the same platuea .no gaint leap that sets them apart.so to say rose will get better .then it be stupid to say the other player wouldnt stri e to get better?plus to me the bulls or just east coast version of utah.who say the player to preform any different this playoff time around.in word of ED LOVER “Come on Son”

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, come on now. How do you know I’m getting at BC? There are too many chief rose peddlers not enough indians.

  • ThaWindy

    Give all credit to the Sixers and Dougie, they came ready to play. Like Iggy said they won the game at 7 that morning.

    (Not to take shots…) but the Bulls fell into a bad habit of giving the ball to Rose so he could save us. Instead of each player stepping up. Then Rose start passing up open players trying to create. Then players passed up open teammates just to give Rose the ball. Sorry…(here it comes) but this is not Miami. We became No.1 by playing like the Sixers did, team ball. Noah knows Rose will take the blame but he also know they have to play better. Booz is good, but he needs more than 4 post moves that are not in the scouting report. Maybe its the injuries but he needs to work on his game and it would be good to see him demand the ball. The team can help him on the D end but he needs to take some pride in it.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    As for last night’s game, I think it was a good loss for the Bulls.
    It should get them back on track.
    I’ve been seeing too many things I didn’t like in the previous few games.
    Everyone relying on Rose to dig them out of holes and win games for them, rather than also relying on what else got them there – defense and teamwork.
    Them taking it easy in the earlier periods of home games because they assume they can just turn it on in the second half at home since it’s worked so well before.
    Rose getting too iso-happy at time.
    Thibs himself said that they looked like they lacked effort and concentration in practice the day prior so hopefully this can be a wake up call.
    Thad Young was a beast.
    And Doug Collins or Thibs will be coach of the year.
    I might have to give the edge to Collins cause they’re essentially the same team they were last year, and are playing much better this year.

  • T-Money

    Enig: Miss me with the age thing. The real factor is # of years in the L. And people always make the mistake of assuming that basketball players improve exponentially. Cats were saying the same thing about Bron when he was scoring 31.5 ppg at 22 (it ended up being his career high). Last year, guys like Bill Simmons were talking like it was inevitable that KD would score 35 ppg in a couple of years (actually scoring less this year). And Wade didn’t have a monster year that year, he has a monster year EVERY year. 25-6-5 is his career average.

  • T-Money

    Damn, could D-Wade actually be underrated? I didn’t even know his career avg was that cold. On 48% shooting too. On, and Bron’s taken for granted too: 28-7-7 for his career. That’s insane.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    JTaylor21 Posted: Mar.29 at 2:11 pm
    NBK, come on now. How do you know I’m getting at BC?
    JTaylor21 Posted: Mar.29 at 1:58 pm
    Chief Rose Peddler, I wonder what those HS kids really hear when you’re talking to them?
    That’s how. Anybody else talking to HS kids at the McDonald’s this week that left comments in the PU? *looks around* I don’t think so.
    It’s all good, nbk. I don’t pay dude any attention and I know that me addressing him makes him feel special. He’s a fan of mine, that’s why he tries so hard to get my attention.
    @Enigmatic: Yeah fam, I’m there. It sucks that the Boys game starts so late though (9PM). But I know what you mean. The last time it was this close was in ’08 in Milwaukee.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Enigmatic
    Just watching dude ball has led me to that conclusion.
    Dude stays in front of the quickest guards. He doesn’t foul too much. He doesn’t gamble, yet still causes turnovers with his ball pressure and quick hands. He’s tough and tenacious. I like him, defensively, better than any other point in the league because does everything well and he’s still learning the game. Dude is underrated.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    @nbk – you mean “than”? yes he improved from last season but it still doesn’t bolster your claim that its inevitable. And it doesn’t make it a true statement either because it is so far into the future. When or if it happens, only then will your statement be considered true.
    nothing’s ever promised tomorrow today.

  • ThaWindy

    No one likes when people try to predict the future of any player. But its good to see comments of people comparing Rose to the right players. Wade is sick and Rose has a ways to go before he can catch him and pass him.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    In other bball news from around the world, the spaniards done lost their damn mind in this one:
    http://youtu.be/zijh7EAAH6g

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    T-Money – I meant monster year in terms of accomplishments.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    sorry I typed an E instead of an A, avarything. Maybe work on reading comprehension to, the sentence implies he keeps this rate of improvement, so assuming he keeps improving like this, he will inevitably be better then Dwyane Wade. But who ever has improved at that rate? for even a year? nobody. so do i think he keeps improving like this? no, but I can’t put it past him, look at what he’s done in 8 months.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    @Enigmatic, we were talking about the attitude of the fan base, based on past achivements and place in league history, not wether or not they we an expansion team. Do you think Oklahoma fans sit around and reminisce over the good ol’ days of Dennis Johnson, or GP & Kemp? Cus they dont, its not relivent to thier fan base in the least.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    BC – Damn. I’m hating. Have fun at the game. You gonna get at the hometown kids for a Q&A?
    I know Anthony Davis and Ariel Massengale on the ladies side gotta be happy about playing in front of the UC crowd,
    I just read about Wayne Blackshear dislocating his shoulder.
    Damn, I feel bad for the kid.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    you should work on your grammar first before taking a shot at being Nostradamus.
    It’s too not to.
    Dumbest statement in this thread: ASSUMING he keeps improving like this, he will INEVITABLY be better.
    read it again. if you find nothing wrong with that, i kinda feel sorry for you.

  • JTaylor21

    “He’s a fan of mine” word? That must mean that I’m a fan of unbridled homerism, biased articles and a guy whose basketball knowledge would give Skip Bayless a run for his money.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    APs on point about Holiday tho, him & Thad Young are very underrated.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What’s funny is that nobody has really talked about the Knicks getting a nice win and Melo trying to go supernova.
    The Bulls, Heat and Lakers are the only things worth discussing apparently.
    Not complaining, just noting.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Boing, I understand all that.
    Just saying I’m not feeling the whole “four years of existence” statement.
    Why not say four years since they been in OKC or in the four years that OCK residents have rooted for them?
    @everything – everyone f*cks up on their grammar on here.
    Even cats who are journalists in the real world.
    No need to take a holier than thou additude.
    @AllenP – I feel ya. I think cats like Rondo and CP, as good as they are defensively, can be overrated at times becuase they play the passing lanes so well, but I prefer guys who are better on-ball defenders.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Yeah, that sucks for Wayne. But that’s been kind of the story of his HS career, nagging injuries. He doesn’t seem to be too down about it which is good. I’d be beside myself if it were me.
    You’re essentially one of the “hosts” with the game in your city and you can’t even participate. I’m just glad we still have a lot of local kids in in like AD, Ariel and I even count Branden Dawson because he’s from Gary, IN.
    The real travesty in all of this is that Ryan Boatright didn’t get picked for this game. He should be here, IMO, and in the opinions of a lot of other people that I talked to.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You realize your issue is with Grammar right? IDGAF (i don’t (do not) give a f*ck) about grammar, or if you, yourself don’t (do not) understand what I’m saying. Everyone else does (,) but since I want you to leave this alone I will show you what I mean in proper English in parenthesis. since that matters(.)

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    enigmatic-Fine by me

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Because the OKC Thunder fan base has only existed for 4 years. I didnt know i was going to be nitt-picked.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    Everyone else does – sure they do.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Well, the way I see it is like this: You don’t have to read anything that I write and we can always act like the other doesn’t exist. Kind of like I do with you now.
    So seel free to reciprocate, by all means…

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    Everyone else does – sure they do.
    who will win the chip this year? yeah that’s right. you dont know. now please don’t go out claiming who will have a better career when its all said and done. thank you.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Is Boatright in ANY HS all-star games?
    He’s gonna make people miss Kemba a little less next year.
    I miss the hell out of Illinois high school hoops.
    So much talent.
    But the one kid from Simeon, Jabari Parker, I can’t wait to see how his last two years of HS ball play out and what college he picks.
    I’d love if he stays in-state, but that rarely happens with the elite prospects from Illinois, and especially Chicago.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol is everything trying to make me angry by speaking for the group? — haha whatever, anyway, did anyone else think Gerald Henderson would be a decent player? I didn’t, but he is. ill be back later

  • ThaWindy

    Holiday is sick

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I actually wish there was a way the Heat could pull Lou Williams away from the Sixers next year.

  • JTaylor21

    Fine by me.
    Feel free to keep on walking the strip for roses.

  • ThaWindy

    I would like to see Chi-Town kids invest in DePaul and turn that program around. DePaul is in the Big East so they will play against top talent.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    He’s playing in this game down in Houston this weekend called the All-American Championship. Boatright, Sam Thompson from Whitney Young, Mycheal Henry from De La Salle, Tracy Abrams from Mt. Carmel and Chasson Randle from Rock Island are the local kids scheduled to play in that one.
    It’s fairly new I think, I’ve never heard of it before. But there are 20 kids playing from both the ’11 and ’12 classes and the teams are broken up by region, N, S, E, W.
    So the North team will face the South team and the East will face the West. Kind of crazy, but it’ll gives kids exposure which is Boatright’s main problem. Nobody has seen him.
    It’ll be on shown live on ESPN3.com and then re-aired on ESPNU later that night, if you want to check it out.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    it wasnt an attempt to make you mad. it was just sarcasm lol

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @ThaWindy – Man, I’ve been dreaming of that scenario for years but it just ain’t happening.
    I’m a DePaul fan and it’s frustrating to see all these elite Chicago kids go elsewhere.
    Lou Williams would be sick on the Heat, E.
    But his 33% from 3 wouldn’t worry you?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I’ll definitely have to check that out, BC.
    Not just for Boatright, but I haven’t had the chance to see Mycheal Henry or Tracy Adrams from that Illinois recruiting class yet.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I’m starting to hate you guys..like seriously. look i love rose. i knew he was gonna be special in 2009 when he fought rondo to a standstil. I stood up for him when people were saying he shot to much that he wasn’t pass first. but he is NOT and i repeat not better than wade in ANYTHING. wade’s obviously a better defender(although he’s been inconsistent this year) wade’s won a scoring title. and scored more in his 3rd year than rose does now. wade even passed as well as rose does in his 3rd year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Mike Miller was supposed to be shooting 48% from three…..not 12%. If Lou could shoot 33%, I’d give him a reacharound….possibly literally.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    why do you guys underrate d.wade sooo much? jeez.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m not a huge Abrams fan, personally, but Randle is awesome. His mid-range game is a sight to behold. Henry is nice too.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @ThaWindy, kids these days (for the most part anyway) choose programs that they believe will get them to the NBA. DePaul hasn’t had a pro since Wilson Chandler in ’07. That’s an eternity to kids.
    But that program is in horrible shape and hopefully Oliver Purnell can turn it around and make it relevant again.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    datkid – no one’s said Rose is better than Wade RIGHT NOW, come on now.
    Regarding DePaul, I think alls it takes is that one elite Chicago recruit to say “I’ma stay here and hold it down for my city” and that should start a trend.
    E, am I missing something? I don’t make it a habit to keep up with Heat players’ stats, but Basketball-Reference says Mike Miller is hitting 37% of his 3′s this year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    They must have gotten a reach-around from Mike then….’cause that motherfu*ker misses everything.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I feel you on that Enigmatic, but unless it’s Jabari Parker, I don’t see anybody who has the pull to make it happen.
    I feel like one elite out of towner could do it to.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel said Rose is better than Wade right now.
    To be clear Enigmatic.
    Lou Williams has talent, but he takes some horrible shots at times. Just crazy shots.
    Jrue Holiday is better than him, and has more upside.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    Westbrook would be just as good as Rose if he was on the Bulls. I’m certain of it. Rose averages only 2.7 more points on 200 more shots. You can say Westbrook is overrated on D, but he’s still a better defender than Rose. DRose is MVvP this season, but he’s inefficient.

  • bull22

    rose has already passed wade, how many times have any of you heard rose complain about his team like wade did last season, and of course like a little punk that wants to dominate inferior opponents he went out and got his two chics lebron and bosh to team up with him.. did derrick cry about not landing any of these girls, NO HE WENT OUT AND KICKED BEHIND!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    After careful observation, I’m certain that bull22 and one of these other “Bull supporters” are other commenters fuc*ing with the rest of us. No one can be that stupid in real life unless they have a learning disability. If that happens to be the case for either of you, I apologize in advance for your deficiency.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    And Lou Williams would be a bad fit for the Heat. He’s a subpar ball-handler, decent passer. The problem is he plays little defense and only cares about scoring. Overrated since high school.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    The only ppl who think Rose is better than Wade a ppl whose I.Q is 60 and below.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Oh yeah, you’re right, Allen.
    My bad.
    I don’t agree with that at all.
    E, I don’t take too much stock into what bull22 posts.
    BC, I wouldn’t be surpsised if Jabari did sign with DePaul, just cause he seems like a kid who likes to blaze his own trail and do his own thing.
    Or maybe he goes to Texas A&M in honor of his pops.
    Ultimately, it doesn’t matter.
    Kid could go to Angelina CC in Lufkin, Texas for a year and still be a top NBA pick.

  • ThaWindy

    For Wade, teaming up with LBJ is taking so much from his personal game and altering his place in history and vice versa. But I think their plan was to make up for it by winning multiple rings. Greatest is measured by winning when your one of the elite players in league.

  • Fat Lever

    AllenP, I dont think anyone is debating Jrue being a better player than Lou. They tried Lou as the starting PG last year, that failed miserably. He is in his element right now. A 6th man off the bench whose sole purpose is to get buckets.

  • ThaWindy

    Depaul just needs to give more money to players. Got them Q, Bobby Simmons and Big Lance a while back.

  • SpursFan

    Spurs bench was better then Portland last night, except that last 2 minutes where one of the big 3 would of took over. Still it was a great game, Tiago held LA to 9 n 3 in 37 mins of PT.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Sergio

    Players that depend too much on their athletic ability fade away quickly. I love how DRose plays, but damn, how quickly will his knees wear out?

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Enig, are you a Texas guy?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    What do you mean by Texas guy, Nicolas?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rose is showing an ability to improve non-athletic parts of his game. Think about Jason Kidd, Rose is already a better shooter then Kidd was 8 years into his career. I think he has a lasting skill-set, barring a major injury.

  • JTaylor21

    Are y’all serious? What has being “taken away” from Wade’s game since teaming up with Bron?
    Dude is shooting the best percentage of his career, better from three, grabbing more rebounds, and turning the ball over less than last year.
    Also his team already has 4 more wins than last year and is in it’s best position to compete for a chip since 05. If anything teaming up with bron and bosh will extend his career and reduce the wear/tear of having to carry a mediocre squad year in and year out.
    Until Rose learns how to be efficient and plays better defense, Wade will still be the better player. It’s a damn shame that bulls fans are trying to put down a chicago native in order to gas up rose.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    Rose won’t improve too much more. His athleticism is going to be the strongest part of his game until it fades. He damn sure doesn’t have Nash or Kidd-like court vision. Or Dwill and CP3 passing. Barring injury, John Wall will actually be better. He passes better than Rose and is every bit as athletic when 100% healthy.

  • Fat Lever

    Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Now we’re comparing Rose to Kidd, 8 years into his career? Kidd led a hodgepodge Net team to back to back Finals. Rose hasn’t made it out of the first round. This is Rose’s 3rd year, let him breathe. Cats are so quick to compare. Remember when T-Mac was being compared to the greats? How did that go? Let the kid’s career unfold. D@mn.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    All I meant by that, Kidd was a horrendous shooter when he came into the league, and was talked about like when his athleticism fades he will as a player fade. So I used him as proof since Rose has already improved his jumper more then Kidd did throughout the early part of his career as proof that even if he loses some of his athleticism he will/can be a good pro. And if you don’t want people to talk about stuff then don’t be in the comment section. that’s what its hear for, people to speculate, compare, discuss. that’s the f’n point.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Just asking if you are you from Texas?

  • bull22

    none of you have to put any stock into what i say, but the facts speak for themselves. look at at wades record without shaq and these two girlfriends of his. look at the standings and see who is number one in the conference! low IQ, come with some facts! not gibberish! hahahahahahahahahahahhaha

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    T-Mac in his prime is better than Kobe and Lebron offensively. He just never played defense and never had a work ethic in addition to his injuries. If had Kobe’s work ethic he would be hands down the best.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    the bulls are up 2 games, and its proven that their record doesn’t tell you anything about their title hopes, except they’ll have homecourt

  • http://s.hillier@live.com Ghost

    Dexter, really is a shame. T-Mac should have been a HOF’r.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @Nicolas- nah. I grew up outside of Chicago.
    I mentioned Angelina CC in Lufkin, Texas cause I had a childhood friend who played ball there when JJ Montgomery was there.
    I have been to Texas a few times, and got friends in El Paso, Lufkin, Houston, and San Angelo, but never lived there.
    I thought you were asking if I was a Longhorns fan.
    Which I actually am.
    Texas, UNC, Illinois, Northwestern and DePaul.
    Those are my squads.

  • Fat Lever

    nbk, how old are you? I’m seriously asking this question, because when Kidd came into the league, he was never supremely athletic. He was just fast and always had a tremendous bball IQ, so your comparison doesn’t make any sense. Kidd’s jumper and his athleticism are mutually exclusive, as he’s never had or relied on his “athleticism” for his jumper.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Derrick Rose with the double-double! ;)

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why should we look at Wade’s record without Shaq?
    You mean his record when he led Odom and Butler to the second round despite being an underdog by outplaying Baron Davis as a rookie?
    Besides, it’s not like Wade got to play with the “real” Shaq. He got older, but still very good Shaq for one year, and then he just got old always injured Shaq.
    I’m not even that big a Wade fan anymore but y’all are underselling dude. Seriously, it’s a little crazy. This reminds me of the Dwight Howard conversation from the other day.

  • bull22

    iam so loving you jealous cats sweating the bulls and derrick rose, you probably are same cats that predicted 70 wins and another MVP for JAMES, and yet ROSE is getting close to winning MVP after his great season… yeah when you see who is in the number one spot in conference, thats your jealously right there, because iam sure you wish it was your team! hahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahaahhahah

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    bull22 might possibly be worse than IAMORANGE4EVER when it comes to hyping up their squads.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Fat Lever
    Athletic doesn’t mean you jump high.
    It means athletic. And JKidd was incredibly athletic. The body control, dexterity, foot speed and strength at his size were impressive.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    Word, Ghost. Word.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    C’mon now Bulls fans. I love D.Rose too, but y’all are getting ahead of yourselves a bit. At least for right now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    24 – And Jason Kidd was said to rely on his speed, I didn’t ever say he was supremely athletic, the criticism was that when he slowed down he wouldn’t be very effective, because he couldn’t shoot. There were also concerns about him defensively when he slowed down, which turned out to be legitimate, he just got lucky to play on a team that can stick him on shooting guards. I have been watching Jason Kidd since his rookie year, even had him here in phoenix for 4 years if you don’t remember.

  • Bruno

    might possibly??? are you sure?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I never thought of Jason Kidd as being “athletic.” I mean, he wasn’t a stiff and yes, he was an athlete, but…
    When you talk about athletic players, his name almost never comes up.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Back for one comment just to say @NBK – I reread our convo from yesterday and there was really no need for me to pull an Eboy on you…so I apologize for the name calling.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No stress Diesel, I got no hard feeling man. I understand, if I said anything offensive it was just because of the strong sense of emotionality. This film lacks emotionality! seriously though, no stress man, I enjoyed it anyway.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    The SLAM family may be the most dysfunctional family of all-time.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    That’s what I like and respect about nbk, he’ll get into with you one day, and all is forgotten/forgiven the next. Respect…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Co-sign Nick Fleming @ 5:01 (like my Levi’s).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I always thought of him as an athlete first. So strange.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    thanks BC, I just don’t see any reason to hold a grudge, I mean I know I have in the past or whatever, but its just differing opinions, I don’t have an opinion of anyone as a person, but spanny and tom whyte.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    a negative opinion*

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I always thought of Jason Kidd as a point guard. Basically the epitome of what I wanted to become when I was younger, except I already thought I had a better shot than kidd lol

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    “Technically,” everybody in the NBA is an athlete. But when you’re talking about “athletic” players, jumping ability is what I think most people equate it with.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    nbk is a good dude.

  • Fat Lever

    Allen, your post above about foot speed and dexterity, etc could be the same description for Tim Duncan, and while, yes, he’s an athlete, I don’t view him as being above average athletic. Especially when the comparison was made between Kidd(an athlete by profession) and Rose(an athlete in every sense of the word, explosive athleticism).

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Celtics need to sign Sheed.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The comparison was not comparing the two as athletes. How did this get so misguided, I said that solely because people said when Kidd slowed down he would be hurt dramatically on the court. Same thing that was just said about Rose, that’s the root and base of the comparison. Not how athletic each player is, obviously Derrick Rose is on a different level, then almost every player in history.

  • bull22

    awwwwwww, diesel and nbk, the next the miami heat players start crying, i think it would good if both of you were there huggging everybody…

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    In two years, this will be the pg heirarchy in the NBA: John Wall Chris Paul Russel Westbrook Derrick Rose Deron Williams Brandon Jennings

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    In THAT order. Mark my words.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Now watch cats go nucking futs cause nbk said “Not how athletic each player is, obviously Derrick Rose is on a different level, then almost every player in history”
    Which, if he’s referring stricly to point guards, I think may be true.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    WHAT?! DUDE. JASON KIDD ISNT DAMN NEAR AS ATHELTIC AS DERRICK RO–nah jus playing. bull22 ain’t helpin the bulls fans on this thread.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bull22 – you realize Diesel is a Bulls fan right? Like a diehard, defend the bulls to the grave, fan? And I’m pretty much guaranteeing your absent when/if the bulls lose their top spot, but you will say something ignorant right now, because the Bulls do have that 2 game lead…or are you gonna say something about derrick rose? something that 90% of the people reading this comments already expressed and believe? or will you say some crazy exaggeration of what’s probably true? oh well, one of those should be coming up soon.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    nbk, I doubt he has any idea of who’s a fan of what team, considering he was trying to clown me the other day for “being a Knicks fan”. LOL

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Matic – I’m referring to all players of any position. Rose is crazy fast, strong, and explosive. Can’t really think of many players ever with a similar combination of physical gifts.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Fat Lever
    I’ve never thought Duncan had great foot speed. I always thought he had superb footwork. Just incredible footwork, outstanding touch, and the a crazy work ethic. He did nothing really well athletically, but he was seven-feet tall, and had the best footwork since Dream.
    At least to me.

  • ThaWindy

    Everybody would agree that LBJ and Wade teaming up will tarnish their individual legacy. Its like when pp say Kobe needed Shaq and Jordan had Pippen. Wither weak or strong those arguments are pp have them. People will say LBJ needed another superstar to win and vice versa. Like I said for the elite players, their greatness is measured by how many rings they have. People forget how sick Wade, CP3, T-MAC and whoever becuz “they ring level is low”. DRose is on the right track and “if” he continues at the pace he will be the rain on Miami’s Parade.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh haha fa real? he’s obviously under the impression that I’m a heat fan, as well as the majority of the people here. judging by his 4:29 comment

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    if nbk was talking about strictly point guards, i can’t think of another off the top of my head more athletic than him, maybe russell is just as, but i doubt that. but ever? i dunno, lebron is a freak, and we all know about mike. but he did say ‘almost’, lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I thought NBK was making the point that Kidd came in from college as an “athlete” with great court vision. There were questions about what he would do when he lost that athletic edge because he couldn’t shoot then and still can’t shoot now.
    so he was saying that Rose has already made more improvements in his shot than Kidd ever made, and he’s much younger.
    That’s how I took it.
    I think Rose is on the level of LeBron and Blake as far at his overall athletic ability, but I always felt Kidd dominated guards due to his athletic gifts and size, combined with his smarts. His athletic gifts limited how much of a liability his lack of a jumpshot could be.
    Honestly, it’s the difference between Kidd and somebody like Mark Jackson.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    It’s hard to say athleticism from pg-c and compare those five spots. DRose undeniably one of the most athletic PGs ever. But there are so many athletic freaks in the NBA. That’s not an easy call.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Nbk, LeBron James has gotta be the most impressive athlete in the NBA ever. He’s already bar none one of the fastest dudes in the NBA.
    Imagine how much faster he would be if he didn’t have 270 pounds on his frame?
    He’s more explosive and stronger than Rose too.
    Well, actually I think Rose, James and Blake Griffin might be neck-neck-and-neck as far as explosiveness goes RIGHT NOW.
    All-time though, man, I don’t know. I think I gotta give it to Bron.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    Russel Westbrook and John Wall are just as athletic. Wall has been injured. Sorry but Rose isn’t in a league of his own in that department.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, thank you for making sense of what I was trying to say. Just needed a journalist to make sense of my own thoughts haha. cosign, or yes that’s what I meant, either way.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    At the PG, you got Steve Francis. Will Bynum’s actually criminally underrated athletically, but I wouldn’t say he’s all-time worthy. A young, healthy Baron Davis…hmmm….yeah I can’t really think of too many uber-athletic PGs.
    John Wall, there’s another one.
    Ronnie Fields woulda put all them cats to shame. But coulda, woulda, shoulda…
    Damn, Rose might very well be the most athletic PG ever.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @Dark, Garbajosa is a beast, I remember him from the Spain Olympics and WBC teams.
    Thanx 4 the break dude

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    rose is probably the strongest, i would say

  • ThaWindy

    and the fastest and the quickest

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “Derrick Rose is on a different level, then almost every player in history” – which would mean there are others of a similar combination of athletic/physical gifts. I could only think of 4 in the league today with all of the same advantages, Westbrook, James, Griffin, Shannon Brown. Wall doesn’t have that physical strength, yet, if ever.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Kevin Johnson was kind of athletic.

  • ThaWindy

    Doug Collins seems to think that DRose attacks the basketball like, guess who……Wade.

  • ThaWindy

    and the fastest and quickest.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    out of all point guards TODAY, fastest and quickest is up in the air. wall and westbrook are up there, but not damn near as strong as derrick.

  • bull22

    loving the derrick rose and bulls talk!!! lets crack three hundred comments on today!! CHICAGO STYLE! LOL!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Rose has a slight edge on Westbrook.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Dexter’s name fits well.
    Cause dude is killing me with his anti-Rose comments.

  • bull22

    dexter, kevin durant is the man in OKC brother,
    and JOHN WALL cant even lead his TEAM into the 8th spot in the playoffs, LOL! i bet john wall is your MVP, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Rose is def the best dunking point guard ever. John Wall is just as fast in the open court, but Wall can’t fly like Rose and nbk is right in saying Drose is the strongest of the athletic guards.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    steve francis might be the best dunking point guard

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    is bull22 really serious? you realize that guy is just pushing your buttons, getting you to react like a hyena.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    someone brought this up before, but is there a league on 2k11 for the slam commenters? that’d be dope

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    anyways, peace and chickengrease y’all. we’ll argue again tomorrow

  • ThaWindy

    I’ve seen Wade do this too.. but Rose has the best move in the league right now. That move….run right pass out!!!lol! Earlier this season left Mike Lowry doing his taxes. Thats why you gotta trap so hard. If he gets around that pick, he’ll beat all the help to the basket.

  • ThaWindy

    i meant “run right pass you”

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    John Wall has been injured since his first few games. He hasn’t fully recovered. I watched both him AND Rose since before college. He can EASILY fly like Rose and his first step may actually be slightly more explosive. You dudes are too busy tryna build your own “Legend of Rose” tales to objectively judge. Rose is much stronger but kill the noise about himm being faster and a higher jumper. It ain’t true.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Airs I don’t ever recalling anyone talking or creating on of those. We did a fantasy league 2 seasons ago, idk if they did one this year, i never got the invite.

  • roc

    @Feez22 you need social life bro, Rose has flaws but damn you have an unbelievable axe to grind with the kid. No one knows how good Rose will eventually be so I just appreciate the present, and hope that the kid has a long injury free career. Let the bulls fans toot his horn, he stepped up his game this year and carried them through parts of the season. Now we’re starting to see the wear and tear of playing in the FIBA games And the long season Thibs needs to rest him more, he played the entire second half last night and that’s a recipe for disaster.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    *him

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    Westbrook avgs only 2.7 points less. Rose has taken 200 more shots.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    And if Rose had a teammate who was a threat to score 30 every night, I’m sure he could better pick and choose his shots too.

  • Dexter Trinity Morgan

    John Wall > Derrick Rose in two years.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    actually i’m pretty sure Westbrook graded out as a better athlete then Rose at the combine. And the second best athlete from the PG position in draft history, behind John Wall. – that’s not opinion, that is straight from a draft express report. (could have been nbadraft.net, ehh i don’t exactly remember, i read it right around the time of the draft this year) – the combine doesn’t measure strength*

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if your actually arguing skill with Rose and Westbrook then its obvious you don’t watch both. Rose is clearly better at basketball on the offensive end, clearly. More control, more weapons, smarter. Westbrook has just as much potential, but he is still not a PG in terms of how he runs a game. He literally never stops running actually. On defense though, its a different story, both are very good. Rose has made huge jumps defensively, if I had to pick one, i’d pick Westbrook, but more because of length then anything else.

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    For the record I still think Rose is MVP. I still think he’s top 5 most explosive the league. In terms of best pg, I think it depends on what your team needs. Rose gives his squad what it needs. There, Enigmatic. See? No hate.

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    Thanks Darksaber. Crazy finale!
    All talk about DRose…. again.(243 Responses)
    I thought that all games were discussed here, but no it’s just another DRose conversation.
    Melo getting the calls his way really helped the Knicks win on Clyde Fraziers birthday.
    Just sayin.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Man I’m trying to stay away but its been bothering me..Dexter you’ve been misusing that stat all day. He scores 2.7 points less per game. Which really means about 200 total points less on 200 fewer shots. They both shoot 44% from the floor. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.

  • JTaylor21

    Rose/Russ is close than people think.
    Rose is the better offensive player but not by much. He’s a slightly better shooter from midrange and three while Russ is the better FT shooter, they are both equals in terms of finishing ability. Rose has a better handle but they are both turnover the ball too much.
    Russ is the better passer but not by much, the better rebounder, better defender and is the slightly better athlete.
    If I had to pick between the two, I would go with Rose but you can’t go wrong with Westbrook.

  • JTaylor21

    *closer*

  • http://www.showtime.com Dexter Trinity Morgan

    Nope

  • Hugo Loon

    great results for the heat lass night

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose is far and away a better passer then Westbrook, and offensively, the difference is pretty pronounced. Having Kevin Durant makes things a ton easier for Westbrook, a ton. is your opinion 100% stat based? because it coincides with the stats to a T, and frankly those just don’t tell you much considering the difference in roles in their respective offenses, oh and the difference in pace, Chicago is 23rd in pace while OKC is 12th.

  • Hugo Loon

    time to get the dub tniiight

    westbrooke is on the same level as rose, he gets his playing with the soon-to-be back to back scoring champ, assissts and rebounds a bit more, scores a bit less, shoots the ball a bit better. obviously hes not an mvp candidate, but if rose were to play with a player like durant he wouldnt either. bull fans know this deep down….

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Rose gets a lot of sh*t for shooting a low percentage, but have y’all seen the shots he has to take??
    I look at it like this – I can live with Rose shooting a low percentage because dude makes a high percentage of low percentage shots.
    Does that make any sense?

  • ThaWindy

    is Westbrook at that level of Wade?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah it does. I saw a stat a couple days ago that like 70% of his shots are within 16 feet of the basket, thats a great stat IMO

  • ThaWindy

    Love how the Heat just chilling in warm ups. They know they’re going to win…

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    So who’s less likely to still be coaching where they’re at now in 3 years – Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaka Smart – only because Brad Stevens has already been offered big time jobs and turned them down.

  • toasterJack

    I agree with whoever said Wall will be better than Rose barring injury…Anyway, if the league has to contract I hope they get rid of hornets. Put CP3 and Okafor on the T-wolves. David West goes to the Kings. Then they should get rid of the Wizards. Put Wall on Houston, Mcghee on the Knicks, Lewis also in Houston. Would be sweet.

  • ThaWindy

    The Heat are soooo arrogant its amazing

  • toasterJack

    Or get rid of the Clippers, Hornets, and Wizards and make the Bucks a Western conference team. Put Blake and Wall on the Rockets , Paul and Okafor still go to the Wolves, DWest to the Bucks, Lewis to Pheonix, Gordon to Pheonix, Mcghee to Knicks.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Smart’s unproven as a recruiter though.
    Most of the main VCU guys, as well as NBA players Eric Maynor and Larry Sanders, were Anthony Grant recruits.

  • toasterJack

    I’m talkin Golden Age here folks. The NBA would be the most competative sports league in the world.

  • toasterJack

    C’mon Slam, where r my comments? I posted like 4 of them joints. Moderators, stop being a b*tch and let my comments thru

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Honestly I don’t know much about him, all I know is he’ll get offers, and Stevens has already turned some down, I believe you though

  • JTaylor21

    How is my opinion “stats based” when I’ve seen 90% of OKC games and almost every bulls game?
    Also how can you say that Rose is far and away a better passer than Russ without factual evidence or is that asking too much?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    How many comments will the TPU have tomorrow if the Cavs beat the Heat?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Over 320 Comments I Think. I know plenty will be picking on EBoy the same way he picked on Lakers fans when they lost to Cleveland.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Rose isn’t a far and away better passer. That’s just not accurate. I’d say he and Westbrook were nearly even in that department. Westbrook needs more polishing on his offensive game. If he were to improve in that area I’d put him up there with Rose. See JTaylor’s 6:41pm post. No point in repeating the same things.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Well I don’t have the resources right now cuz I left work, but look at the % of offense that comes from Rose v Westbrook for their respective teams. Other then that if you don’t see it watching the games then you live in or around OKC correct? You were a little partial to the hornets atfirst or when you first started commenting I noticed that, and now you’ve watched every single thunder game? Makes sense to me.

  • ThaWindy

    Heat deserve this lost..they so arrogant..not taking the Cavs serious and got beat. LBJ and Wade I got love for you..but come ready to play..

  • JTaylor21

    So I guess having LP doesn’t account to anything?
    Also I said 90% of their games, so…..do the math einstein or is that asking too much?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    LOL Miami got served by the Cavs

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I’m sorry 90%, either way am I wrong? And Zoom’s right far better passer is an exaggeration but it seems clear to me. I also see a huge advantage passing to Kevin Durant which is a clear source of assists, as well as “pressure relief.”. But I digress you got your reasons I overreacted and exaggerated.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Can’t wait for tommorrow’s Post Up.

  • Mr. Chill

    We all should go for los mavs….Best center in Chandler, Best outside shooter, Notwiski, and best point guard, Jason Kidd…Need I say more? It will be Mavs vs Bulls in the NBA Finals..Mr. Chill predicts a different outcome from the pervious finals.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    That was a b*tch move by Bron not coming out for pre-game intros.
    Making his teammates take the “heat” before the game.
    He’s never gonna get it, is he?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    YeAh I dont respect that at all. Total female dog move

  • JTaylor21

    ^two sensitive thugs that need hugs!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Riiight.
    I need a hug cause your boy showed his skirt tonight.
    GTFOH, JTaylor.

  • JTaylor21

    Word! So if putting up a trip dub equates into “showing your skirt”, where do I sign up?
    Marilyn Monroe would be proud.

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