Monday, March 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am  |  92 responses

Say Uncle

I hope you didn’t come here for answers…


by Myles Brown / @mdotbrown

I shared some of my thoughts on this hubbub with the good folks over at True Hoop. Here are the rest…

How exactly did we get here? Jalen Rose produced a critically acclaimed documentary rife with talking points: the abuse and exploitation of college athletes, the Fab Five’s actual legacy and even how they served as a precursor of sorts to the Miami Heat. Yet more than a week later we’re still entrenched in the rudimentary conversation of who and what is an Uncle Tom. Now no matter the impetus, we should welcome a discussion on race, particularly when considering it was a central theme of the production. However, in order for such dialogue to be productive, it must be broader and far more honest.

As you’ve probably heard by now, Grant Hill wrote a letter. What is still unclear is whether he watched the documentary in its entirety before firing off this missive. He says that “It was a sad and somewhat pathetic turn of events, therefore, to see friends narrating this interesting documentary…” yet the rest of his words are littered with inaccuracies and loaded language indicative of a second-hand accounting. No one-especially Jalen-”disparaged” the Hill’s for their “education, work ethic and commitment to each other.” In fact, he praised them and admitted he was quite jealous of the benefits they provided their son. Furthermore, Jalen only “seems to change the usual meaning of these very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle-class families” if the context of his statements is ignored. That context being Duke’s recruiting practices. The issue isn’t whether blacks value education, it’s whether Duke values only certain kinds of blacks.

Duke has traditionally sought after privately schooled players, which has lent their program an air of affluence and respectability. Such players are committed to the program for the duration of their college careers; ostensibly capable of adhering to both Mike Krzyzewski’s military rule and the rigors of a Duke education. Yet it could also be argued that such commitment keeps roster turnover low and thus, keeps the program strong. To some, it may appear that Duke recruits the class of player they do not just for academic reasons, but to avoid the impoverished players presumably more subject to NCAA violations. Plainly put, kids who are financially secure don’t leave school early and they don’t take money either.

True or not, the perception remains. Such a stigma isn’t necessarily racist, though it certainly has classist undertones. Therefore, those complicit with such a program-particularly black students-will be seen as subservient, which is the traditional definition of an Uncle Tom: subservience or deference to a dominant white power structure. At the risk of putting words in the man’s mouth, this is what Jalen was referencing. Not an outright accusation, just a candid acknowledgment of his feelings at the time. (Again, at the time.) Now the only way to clarify what Duke values and why, is to hear from Coach K himself, who has been curiously quiet during this firestorm. Surely the New York Times would welcome his commentary, no?

Another voice that could have provided some much needed perspective was Chris Webber’s. Unfortunately, Webber declined to participate in the documentary and hasn’t chimed in on the ensuing controversy, so we are left with these words from Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Dispatch: “I often thought that Chris was uncomfortable in his own skin. He wanted to be a street kid. He wanted everybody to think he was an inner city tough guy and he wasn’t.” Burwell isn’t the first to share such an impression.

Webber attended Detroit Country Day-a private school-and was doggedly recruited by Duke. As it was noted in the Fab Five, Chris enjoyed many of the basic necessities that his public school counterparts saw as luxuries: proper training facilities, a bus, games played without the looming threat of violence. Any reasonable person would understand a young man protecting his future, however it probably wasn’t hard to find a few jaded souls who thought he was soft. Scared, even. Hence the overcompensation. But the question remains: Had Webber attended Duke, would he have been seen as an Uncle Tom too?

Better yet, would he have been accepted by his fellow Blue Devils? Elton Brand knew nothing of silver spoons and felt the sting of his classmates contempt upon leaving the program after only two years, which Webber did himself. Brand’s experience lends credence to the notion that all Duke players aren’t ‘posh yuppies’, yet it also perpetuates the impression that ‘outsiders’ aren’t welcome. Which brings us right back where we started.

So were Jalen Rose’s comments ignorant? Of course. Whether in past or present tense, Rose was/is guilty of, as Hill put it, “stereotyping others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped them back then for their appearance and swagger.” However the fact that Hill’s statement was afforded space in the paper of record may bolster Rose’s initial assertions regarding privilege. Can we assume Jalen would have been given such an opportunity? As a reminder, “I looked at it as they are who the world accepts and we are who the world hates.”

Regardless, it’s time we abandoned the paternalistic instincts to castigate a young man’s ignorance and pay equal attention to the point that he felt ignored. This isn’t a call for a referendum on Duke nor a weighty love letter to the Fab Five. It’s an opportunity for us to challenge ourselves to have these conversations on a deeper level and a more frequent basis;to examine the socioeconomic and cultural influences that breed such issues. No, black people aren’t a monolith. Yes, education is a priority within the black community. This shouldn’t be news to anyone.

The 30 for 30 documentary series has been a fantastic success, an informative and entertaining experience for us all. However for all of the provocative stories it’s produced; including Billy Corben’s captivating look at ‘The U’ and Steve James’ numbing recollection of Allen Iverson’s trial, this is the first attempt at a substantial discussion of race we’ve encountered.

It shouldn’t take one man calling another a ‘bitch’ for us to get there.

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  • el_larsen

    @tom white
    “taking some personal responsibility and dealing with your own issues”
    ” instead I used the lack of a father as inspiration, motivation to take care of my family unit”(family unit /or five freshmen vs the world)
    it seems that you share more than a point with jalen rose

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Me calling him a Sambo wasn’t even close to being the same as Rose calling Hill a Tom. First off, Rose was inaccurate. I wasn’t. Grant Hill was one of the very few so-called “clean” players to publicly state that he didn’t care for people using him as an example to put down other players whose backgrounds and appearance was differentt from his own, i.e the “urban player”. Rose’s comment was misguided, though understood. Secondly, this idiot personifies another disease represented in our community, which is that of the condescending elitist. My mother is one of the most educated people one could ever encounter (Columbia grad), and even she would nearly vomit reading that fool’s rant. I can’t speak for any of the rest of you but as a mutiple degree holding black American all I can do is point and laugh at the Tom White’s of the world. Too stupid to even halfway understand how full of self hate he is. Sad part is that he might actually procreate. I feel sorry for whatever offspring that would be cursed enough to have him for a parent…and FYI folks, I could care less about a co-sign or lack there of on my comments.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Waoh! Great write up Miles, it’s been a long time since I read something so substential and well written on Slam.
    Great job man!

  • Tom White

    Sorry Bry, this isn’t Moore or Krolik

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @Tom White, u are proud to admit that you have prejudices against HBCUs, but you can’t tolarate that people have prejudices against Duke… How smart.
    “Ignorance is bliss”!

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    I wonder how people would react if Grant Hill, at 17, thought of the Fab 5 as uneducated thugs who didn’t deserve to play basketball because of their inner city attitude.
    I wonder if people would be so forgiving.
    I wonder if people would give Hill the benefit of the doubt, thinking that “he doesn’t believe that” anymore.
    I wonder…

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    WOW did Bryan Crawford throw out the Uncle Tom term after this entire article?
    It just doesn’t get better than this.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/load-o-bull/2011 Diesel

    People saying that this was what “a 17 year old Rose thought” must not have watched the special. A fully grown Rose from today made the comments. He could have worded that phrase differently. And he produced the documentary so he could have had that spot edited however he wanted to so that it didn’t look as harsh..but he wanted it to look that way. I wonder how Rose would feel if it came forth that young black kids today thought that his choldren were uncle toms since their father has enough money to send them to any school they want. Or are you not an uncle tom if you made your money through sports and just through education?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/load-o-bull/2011 Diesel

    children*

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    “Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, everywhere is war and until there are no longer first class and second class citizens of any nation, until the color of a man’s skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes. And until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race, there is war. And until that day, the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship, rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion to be pursued, but never attained… now war is everywhere.”
    (Bob Marley)

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Myles, why write anything controversial if you don’t want arguments? Can’t you lock the comment section?

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    I mean, I get it, I apologize in advance, you want intelligent, civil debate. But I mean, you know who reads this stuff. It’s volatile.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It didn’t start out volatile…
    I had to apologize to Myles tonight for what this turned into, in my name. Someone with a personal vendetta, pretending to be something he’s not had to come in and make a mockery of this whole thing. It’s pretty sad and also extremely cowardly and it just goes to show that in matters of race, nothing has changed.
    The screen names “Tom White” and “Alfonso Ribiero” and “Alan Keyes” ALL scream racism. So don’t think for one second that those comments were left by someone of color.
    Like I said, I have a pretty good idea of who it is. They think they’re so smart and think I’m dumb. It’s cool though

  • http://FullyClips.com Snottie Drippen

    Just a fantastic piece of writing. And Tom White, for a college educated man, you used “formidable” wrong. It’s “formative” high school years, not formidable. I believe Mr Crawford and Myles have no issue with cogent, reasonable discourse, but using this forum to drop thinly veiled racial slander (and making negative generalizations about the upbringing and education of anyone who empathizes with Jalen Rose is racial, you know it) isn’t right. Whether “Tom White” is a back person with self-hatred issues or there’s something more insidious afoot, I know I’m sick of reading his off-topic, acidic remarks. Mr White, you don’t agree with the article or Mr Crawford. Point made. Move along now… great piece, Bryan

  • MikeC.

    I thought universities and colleges were institutions of higher education that promoted advanced thought and intellect. Did anyone actually attend?

  • MikeC.

    When I saw the “Say Uncle” heading, I thought it was going to be a writeup about a game that ended in a blowout. Was I ever wrong.

  • the nerve

    well u cant say its me man. said lotta shtt he said but it aint me this time.

  • el_larsen

    cosign Snottie Drippen
    all this shows the power of the fab five!
    20 years later they still rock people’s brain.

  • 919chris

    i don’t think it has as much to do with race as class. i’m a white 17 year old from a single parent lower income home who lives in the city Duke’s in and i guarantee i could never go there

  • KGrlinPtown

    Lessee, which “silver-spoon,” private school types were on the 1991-1992 Duke roster, aside from Grant Hill:

    Kenny Blakeney. Nope. Son of single mom. Featured in many articles after he graduated for how much he struggled to make ends meet while at Duke.

    Cherokee Parks. Nope. Another son of a single mom. Descended from Native American people.

    Antonio Lang must’ve been dropped off at private school in a benzo, right? Oops, no, sorry. He was born in Columbia, SC and raised in Mobile, Alabama. Went to public high school.

    How bout BD, or Bryan Davis? Went to the same damn public school that Thurl Bailey did.

    Bobby Hurley was livin’ large at his private high school in fancy Jersey City. Must be a bunch of fat cat CEOs who graduate from there, right? Nope: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Anthony_High_School_(New_Jersey)

    I could go on. Lemme know if you want me to. Point here is that as a public school grad and working-class daughter of a single mother, I worked my ass off to get into Duke and schools like it. They took me with open arms. Believe it or not, not every Duke student wore Izods with popped collars and summered in France. Please do a better job distinguishing between “perception” and “reality,” coz the way you elide these two makes me crazy.

  • http://daghettotymz.com M’Bwebe Ishangi

    You can read the entire article here:
    http://daghettotymz.com/rkyvz/articles/athleticsvsslavery/athleticsvsslavery.html

    [Excerpt from article, 'Athletics vs. Slavery']
    Let me first say, I got madd love for Jalen Rose. He’s a voice to be reckoned with when it comes to speaking truth about sports. But I must correct him on one aspect on a rebuttal to one of his comments made regarding Black athletes who played for Duke University. I agreed with everything he said until he defined those playerz as “Uncle Tom’s”.

    We all know being called a sell-out or more precisely an Uncle Tom is probably the ultimate diss — especially when called this from another Afrikan. For yearz Afrikan people who did thingz to be in favor of whitefolk were called ‘Uncle Tom’s'; the problem is, hedz don’t even know who Uncle Tom was.

    The real Uncle Tom was an Afrikan born into slavery who gave his life to protect other slaves. When his story was turned into a book, Uncle Tom’s Cabin (1852) and then a movie, the writerz re-worked the script making Uncle Tom’s character the opposite; a slave who was loyal to his master and all too eager to please whitefolk.

    Here is where we see history altered in America’s early dayz primarily to imprint a stereotype we still suffer from today that has proved to be socially, economically, and spiritually beneficial to their plight of being the superior race. The film and book (along with images illustrating the book) had a major role in permanently ingraining these stereotypes into the American psyche. This enabled the term “Uncle Tom” to become synonymous with Afrikanz being a “boot-lickerz”, “lazy”, alwayz “shuckin’ and jivin’,” and “passive with the no will to be free”.

    His character became the “happy darky”, slow-talking carefree style we’ve become accustomed to see in later characterz like Buckwheat of the Little Rascals, the Pickaninny and Uncle Remus. The light-skinned mulatto was seen as a sex object; the affectionate, dark-skinned female became the mammy; and the portrayal of our Afrikan children became the Pickaninny often seen with knotty-tangled braidz with big protruding lips painted red. All these characterz are personified in this book.

    The book was counter-attacked by Afrikanz like James Baldwin who wrote an essay, “Everybody’s Protest Novel,” and in the 1960 and 70s, the Black Power movement sayin’ Uncle Tom engaged in race betrayal. But it seemz, as with everything else, we Afrikanz rely on YTs information, leaving the incorret portrayal of Uncle Tom to remain what is believed — hence, Jalen Rose’s use of the word.

    All this ignorance proves whitefolk continue to successfully to teach the mases an incorrect, caucasion-favored version of history.

    The following morning after Rose’s comment, Grant Hill gave an emotional response, but it was ESPN analyst Chris Broussard’s response that brought some perspective, which I hope leadz to a continued discussion… we’ll see…

  • Tom White

    @snottie drippen that’s for the correction, but you used “back” wrong and Myles Brown wrote the piece. Bro.

  • Tom White

    And Bry-Bry, I told you this wasn’t Moore so stop tweeting stuff like you figured something out.

  • Larry Elder

    What’s all the hub-bub? Tom White makes some pertinent points, which have somehow been drowned out by those that choose to focus on the back-and-forth between he and Crawford. African-Americans do point the finger at others, do lack personal responsibility for their actions and lack of action, why all the hate because someone had the guts to say it?

  • Ace

    I’m glad Jalen Rose said it and that Grant Hill responded b/c it’s about time this issue of blacks vs blacks is being talked about. This is very common for blacks to call blacks what they deem to be “oreos” Uncle Tom’s. It’s really a class issue within the black community. It’s the non affluent blacks vs the affluent blacks.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tom White is a coward. He dare not address me on Twitter, but he’ll come here and say things because he’s protected by the anonymity that the comment section provides. Haha…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    This comment section has turned into a virtual pointed white hood. Sad.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Larry Elder & Ace:
    Now, why is this so?
    And Larry, are these Black People that you know personally, or is this a fact on general terms?
    If it is factual, tell me why it is factual, please.

  • Ace

    @The Philosopher”
    Short answer slavery

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Tom White – your b*tch a$$ness is ruining my Slamonline experience. Pelase stop.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Please*

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Ace:
    My man.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Whether you agree with me or not, the one that nobody can deny is that I have the courage to say things in my own name.
    I don’t hide behind an alias or a nom de plume.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wait, what does anyone have against Huey Newton? Huey Newton is one of the greatest black leaders in American history–don’t forget it.
    And what’s wrong with black nationalism? I don’t disagree with everything Tom White has said, but why are you throwing out the names of black leaders like that’s something to be ashamed of?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Props to KGrlinPtown.

  • http://straightbangin.blogspot.com Joey

    This is a towering success. Great work, Myles.

  • Tom White

    *slow clap* Bry the Braveheart has the courage to say things under his name, what a valiant warrior, a fearless hero. You should be commended, honored, we should all bow at your feet for having an opinion, laud and praise you for “keeping it real”. You are the voice of a generation, a poet, a rose that blossomed out of the concrete jungle. I will address you soon enough, during one of your asinine debates decrying the validity of statistical data in the NBA,or the next time you try to gargle with Jalen’s balls in your mouth..
    Please, allow me to kiss thy ring sire

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    It figures…
    Of course dude is some bitter stat nerd who is mad at me because I feel that advanced stats in basketball are nothing more than modern day alchemy and worthless information that I place absolutely no value in whatsoever, and I’m not afraid to say it.
    The only thing those numbers are good for is giving people who couldn’t make a basket standing alone under the rim a talking point to make them feel like they actually know something about this game.
    Some guys who are into advanced stats are cool, but this dude — like so many others that I’ve encountered — is so numbers crazy that he would actually come to the comment section of the SLAM website pretending to be something that he’s not, with the sole intention of attacking me from a racial perspective, thus showing his true colors as an individual which is that of a coward and an immature and sensitive crybaby.
    So whatever, dude. I hope it felt good for you to be able to do this, but at the end of the day, guess what? It means absolutely nothing. My mind still won’t change. I’ll continue to be me and keep on saying the same things about your worthless statistical data that you care so much for, while continuing to piss you off in the process and enjoying every single minute of it.
    So I hate to disappoint you, but you’re not upsetting me with this little two day racial tantrum that you’ve thrown at all. The more you carry on, the louder I laugh at you and the more ignorant you make yourself look, irregardless of the screen name that you hide behind.
    This might make you feel important, but in actuality, you’re insignificant, and nothing that you say matters. Those are two bitter pills that you’ll unfortunately have to swallow, my man.
    And you don’t have to kiss my ring… I’ll be more than happy to point your lips in a more southern direction, which also just happens to be behind me.
    In a minute…

  • joe

    wow
    i feel like myles really misses the point:
    ” Plainly put, kids who are financially secure don’t leave school early and they don’t take money either. True or not, the perception remains. Such a stigma isn’t necessarily racist, though it certainly has classist undertones. Therefore, those complicit with such a program-particularly black students-will be seen as subservient, which is the traditional definition of an Uncle Tom: subservience or deference to a dominant white power structure.”
    the “therefore” in this quote shows that he doesnt get it. the whole point is that black people have to realize it isn’t MORE BLACK to be poor, there is nothing subservient or “white” about black people being successful.
    Saying, oh they want financially secure kids, therefore kids who are complicit with that system-which he just said is based on finances not race, are subservient makes NO LOGICAL SENSE

  • Tom White

    Well said Joe. And kudos to the commenter(s)that may have not shared my perspective or agreed with me, but stand on common ground when it comes to the real issues. Mr.Crawford, you have really done it this time. It’s one thing to have ignorant, boorish, childish, aggressive, tough-guy rants on Twitter, but to come here, in the comment section of your colleague’s article, and go off about advanced stats is bordering on psychotic. Look I know you think you know who this is, and that’s fine. You called me Eminem, but I’m not that dude either, or the dude from the Hornets, or any of the many basketball Illuminati who consider their word gospel. You’ve been played, incredibly, under the guise of anonymity, your defensive insecurities about yourself, intellect and enemies have humiliated you. You are a novice, an amateur, a scrub, an obsessed idiot that couldn’t wait to pen a baseless diatribe about advanced stats, solely because you thought I clued you with the mention of it in my last comment. Wow, you really are a buffoon. Now your trashing advanced stats and claimed I was white, smh, Mr.Crawford you are a coon of epic proportions, I would say you are better than this, but then again, you went to Jackson State. Good day to you good sir. *sips Earl Grey*

  • roginthesun

    @Joe
    The writer was NOT saying that it is more black to be poor (he wasnt even saying that Rose was right at all). He was just trying to put Rose’s perceptions into some perspective.

    It wasnt black people wanting to be wealthy or educated that was the issue, it was aligning themselves with a program (Duke) which was perceived to be the enemy. Hence the whole Uncle Tom comment (which the author confirmed as ignorant).

    The article makes sense and asks for black people to discuss these issues on a mature level. Reread it, and you’ll likely agree with what he was trying to say.

  • Maverick

    Nice DUI there Jalen, way to keep it real, us Uncle Tom’s are proud of you.

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