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Wednesday, March 23rd, 2011 at 12:55 pm  |  58 responses

Top 500, By The 50s

Every 50th guy on our massive Top 500 list.

In case you’ve been sleeping, our Top 500 issue is on stands now. As a sneak peak, we put together every 50th player on the list right here. And to fill in the (huge) blanks, cop the book!

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  • Jimmy

    first

  • add

    my man mugsy

  • JTaylor21

    The Top-500 lost it’s credibility as soon as y’all left out Gail Goodrich.

  • Drew

    Gail Goodrich isn’t in the list of 500?!?!?!? He’s a champion, all star, all-NBA player. WTF??

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Michael Cage was an awesome rebounder while rockin the Soul Glow.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    As Lang said a few weeks back: “We acknowledge that there are going to be errors in this issue. Hey, even as perfect as we are, we make mistakes sometimes, and sorting an avalanche of information, like we had to do in the making of this issue, means that somehow, someway, things can get screwed up.

    • Leading off, it was brought to our attention that we inexplicably left former Lakers (and Suns and Jazz) guard Gail Goodrich off the list. Goodrich, a two-time All-American and one of the greatest players in UCLA history, was a five-time NBA All-Star and scored over 19,000 points. His number, 25, was eventually retired by the Lakers. Goodrich deserves to not only be on our list, but to be way up high on the list. And he will be, either when we post the full list online, or in the next printing or any reissue we do of this magazine. But for now, there’s nothing we can say except Goodrich somehow slipped through. We screwed up. We apologize for the error.”

  • logues

    i know that yall made a mistake and and ur not perfect, but i honestly dont know how u miss a guy who almost scored 20,000 points. i would think that looking at overall points scored would be one of the first things u look at. antoine carr avg 9.3 ppg, 3.4 rbg, and a whopping 1.1 apg. but hey, if u needed a defensive rotation or a power layup noone did it better right?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    So Pervis Ellison might be bumped off in the reissue.
    That oughta make him nervous.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Forget Goodrich. Credibility was already lost when Shaq showed up at the 4 spot.

  • dsleepy

    you guys made a valiant attempt and i applaud you for it, 500 is a tough number. that being said, i was really dissapointed with the list. never a read a list of player rankings that i took so many issues with. granted, never had a list of 500, but still. no way shaq is 4. i love the big fella, but no sorry.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Enig, that was good.

  • Overtime

    that assist-turnover ratio for Mugsy is amazing

  • Thegfunk

    Its amazing watching Kemp inhale a rebound and for a moment the defense think he is just going to chip it back up? well no…He jumps stationary two footed and goes for the reverse jam instead. I don’t think I’ve seen a player do that since.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jay

    I still can’t believe Allen Iverson was 40th? hes 30 at least!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    How the HELL is Nash number 50. I can come up with 10 better point guards of all time better than him. Slam bought into the white media crap, he is just a good point guard, thats it.
    NASH is not better than these points, how is he 50. Come on Slam!!!
    1. Isiah Thomas
    2. Earvin “Magic” Johnson
    3. Oscar Robinson
    4. John Stockton
    5. Jason Kidd
    6. Nate Archibald
    7. Gary Payton
    8. Walt Frazier
    9. Bob Cousy
    10. Dennis Johnson
    11. Maurice Cheeks
    12. Kevin Johnson
    13. Mark Jackson
    14. Tim Hardaway
    And Maybe Nash gets 15, but Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook will probably past him.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Tremendous comment from Enigmatic.

  • D12FSU

    @the seed, I dont know how you overlook Nash like that. Hes a PG and his job is to make everyone better. Just look at what hes done for some players in this leage. Quinten Richardson had his best year in PHX, Boris Diaw was a borderline All-star the year he started for them, even now with Gortat, hes averaging like 17 and 10. Thats just to name a few players. Yes there are more accomplished and better pgs, but on the list you have, Id put him in between, Kidd and Tiny. Also a little off topic, but Im not old enough to know this, but wasnt Walt a SG?

  • D12FSU

    just checked my sources…PG

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    LOL at Mark Jackson being better than Steve Nash. I hope y’all know that Monta Ellis is better than Dwyane Wade (comparable).

  • monkeyball

    LOL at Oscar Robinson being better than Nash. Wait…Oscar who???

  • ai come back

    ok first off u put isaih over magic second TIM hardaway over nash???are u kiddin me???id put tiny above him if we tlkin talent but hell no i love kj i love hardaway but i think ur buyin into bullshi%

  • zamhar

    hmm… SLAM seems to be churning out rankings of the top basketball players in history every couple of years. are you guys turning into PC Gamer magazine?

  • doyouwantmore

    Steve Nash is the greatest point guard of all time, and if you disagree with me then you are a racist! (LOL @ The Seed ^^^)

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    There is NO WAY that Wilt Chamberlain would rank #1 in today’s game. Players back then could only rank as high as 7, 8 or 9.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Seriously, though, this list is great. It’s actually far more interesting to see someone rate Buck Williams ahead of Pervis Ellison because it leads to thinking about how much of league history is about ‘solid’ and ‘good’ players, not just ‘talented’ and ‘spectacular’, and how vital those players are to the game. It’ll also serve as inspiration for players to set goals based on consistency and dedication, not just brilliance. Big ups, Slam.

  • D12FSU

    Also, Oscar was a SF

  • rob stewart

    nash is better than dennis johnson and tim hardaway

  • Justin

    LOL@ The Seed showing his ignorance once again. Like someone else said, you lose any credibility (not that you had any to begin with) as soon as you put Isiah over Magic. I like having Nash at number 6 on that list, although if you’re talking pure point guard I’d take Nash over Thomas in a heartbeat. But to put Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway, MARK JACKSON…actually anyone from number 7 on down…is completely ridiculous. Nice work putting Oscar on this list of point guards when he’s a small forward. Why isn’t Larry Bird or Scottie Pippen on this list then? LOL!

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    oscar robertson could PLAY small forward…he was a pg tho. i mean he avg like 10 assists a game.

  • EC

    Big O was a PG…… wow

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Also on THe Seeds list of best PG’s of all time…
    1. Shaq
    2. Tim Duncan
    3. Lady Gaga
    4. Baseball
    5. Usain Bolt
    6. Night Court
    7. Vlade Divac
    8. Mark Cuban
    9. Bugs Bunny (From Space Jam, not all the other cartoons of him)

  • Daniel Aus

    Gary payton doesn’t get enough love in all time debates, leading point guard scorer of all time second in steals brilliant 2 way player

  • toinefan88

    Geert Hammink

  • Suckydog

    I think Seeds thought we were talking about football. That’s alright Seeds, go back to bed now little boy.

  • NoLo DoLo

    Lol The Seed if ur broke ass actually wuda bought it u wuda relized that most of them are ahead of nash

  • matt

    winning an MVP trophy gets u into the hall of fame. Nash has 2. Nash, Kidd, Magic, Zeke, Cousy, dennis johnson,nate archibald, GP,Stockton, mo cheeks. These guys should be the top 10 PGs of all time. Also, Rose,Westbrook,DWill and CP3 might dethrone at least 2 of these guys.

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    Buck Nasty…

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    I don’t care how *White* Steve Nash is… or how pro-black most basketball fans are. The man is definitely top 5 point gods of all-time. If you discredit him, you might as well throw the book at JKidd too.
    1. Magic
    2. Cousy (always forgotten)
    3. Zeke
    4. The Big O
    5. Nash & Kidd

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    Next Generation
    1. CP3
    2. Rondo
    3. DRose
    4. DWill
    5. Reke

  • Scott

    Top point guards

    1. Magic Johnson
    2. Oscar Robertson
    3. Bob Cousy
    4. Isiah Thomas
    5. John Stockton
    6. Walt Frazier
    7. Steve Nash
    8. Gary Payton
    9. Jason Kidd
    10. Dennis Johnson
    11. Nate Archibald
    12. Lenny Wilkens
    13. Chris Paul
    14. Kevin Johnson

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    If you want my opinion, I’ll go to 20.
    1. Magic (no contest)
    2. Oscar (yeah he played point forward for most of his career but he was a legit point in the Bucks championship, don’t hate)
    3. Thomas (who else beat Jordan, Bird and Magic?)
    4. Stockton (woulda been higher than Thomas if he could just win one chip)
    5. Kidd (No one has ever effectively switched up his game as he’s aged to still be effective. Put himself ahead of Frazier in my book)
    6. Frazier (Two championships plus a perfect nitch in the 70s, one of the best all-around guards)
    7. Gary Payton (new generation Frazier. Frazier is only ahead because of the extra championship)
    8. Bob Cousy (A bit overrated, no jump shot plus he retired and the Celts still won five more championships. But still a great).
    9. Steve Nash (F YOU HATERS! No point at 37 has EVER put up the numbers Nash is putting up)
    10. Archibald (if he wasn’t injured, who knows how far this dude would go. He put up statistics no one has come close to doing).
    11. Kevin Johnson (Once again, new age Archibald. Archibald’s championship, plus KJ’s historic collapse in the Finals puts him one step behind).
    12. Mo Cheeks (is there a more underrated point? Super defensive point who put up 9 assists a game at one point, won a championship, lasted for a super long time… C’mon!)
    13. Dennis Johnson (If it wasn’t for his massive attitude problems, I’d make him top-10. Changed up his game to conform his team, won multiple championships, was a Finals MVP, even if he may not have deserved it… He’s really good).
    14. Chauncy Billups (I get crap for putting up Billups this high, but he was a Finals MVP, almost two times in a row!)
    15. Tim Hardaway (That crossover… is so damn good.. Lots of injuries and a lack of playoff success hurts him, but his game was really so complete and he had the flashy to boot).
    16. Gail Goodrich (remember when SLAM forgot to put in the person who won a championship with the Lakers, put up nearly 30 points a game, and woulda rocked the league for a helluva lot longer had he not blown out his knees? I remember that).
    17. Mark Price (we’re getting into more gray categories here, pretty interchangable… but Mark Price was a knock dead shooter and great passer who woulda dominated in today’s no-handcheck age).
    18. Mark Jackson (Longevity brought him here, along with relative playoff success)
    19. Lenny Wilkens (I heard he was pretty good. I guess.)
    20. Alvin Robertson/Fat Lever (Pick your placeholder. A defensive stopper or triple double threat who never really did anything else).
    I can’t wait for Paul/Williams/Rose to age so that it’s easier to make this list.

  • 2KInsider

    I’m not trying to troll, but I just don’t understand the big deal about Oscar Robertson. He was the second best player on his 1 championship team. Spent the rest of his career just getting stats. All I ever hear about him is “triple-double.” That’s it. Is there anything else about him?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I woke up this morning wanting to see a PG list/battle… Beautiful.
    - NASH arguably one of the 5 best pg’s of all time…. and I’ll argue it’s even higher.

  • Scott

    Jukai nice list but where is Paul?

  • youngblaze

    alright i have had the top 100 list for a while but today i opened it up. i started from the back because i wanted to go from the least the best. off bat i was surprised that slam put aj so low, but i thought to myself maybe slam made a mistake and thats life so i kept going. then i kept seeing mistake after mistake and then i had to stop at 261. just an example your telling me west is better than divac. come on man, lets be real

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That is an awesome Jherri Curl on Michael Cage. Just awesome.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I like Jukai’s list. I would have switched Nash and Tiny though.
    Nash should be one spot ahead of K.J. to show exactly how close those two are, but given Nash’s longevity, I have to give it to him now.

  • cramzy

    look, at 37, Steve Nash is putting up 15 & 11 on 50% fg, 40% from 3. Lets chill on the “nash is overrated talk”. 7 straight years of these numbers on winning teams!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    2KInsider: Nope, all he did was rack up triple doubles. You’re right. Not like that’s a huge feat or anything. I mean, if all you’re thinking about is getting triple doubles, it’s so easy to do, right? You’re right.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nash has been overrated in the past. And stop people should stop throwing out stats and age like that’s a huge difference. He’s playing in a different time with different things at his disposal. Isiah, Tiny and KJ all had their careers cut short by injuries that would have been handled much better given today’s medicine, and their careers could have been even more spectacular.
    Nash is top 10 all-time. That’s enough. He still didn’t deserve both of those MVPs. Lol.

  • Benjamin Gordesky

    @ everyone dissing on The Big O. O was the best player to ever play the game of basketball with the exception of Bill Russell who was the best player-coach ever and has 11 rings. Nothing else needs to be said about Bill. O was the only player ever to average a triple-double in a season which he did for five straight seasons, and whoever doesn’t know, LBJ reached 15,000 points three years later than The Big O did–LBJ having a three pointer to work with. Point is that O and Bill should be tied for first–Jordan is third or fourth.

  • Justin

    Jukai’s list is OK but his reasoning behind some of his selections are flawed. Oscar may have played point for awhile but he is generally considered a forward. Isiah beat those three yes, but that doesn’t make him the better player. By that rationale, Bill Laimbeer is one of the great centers of all time because he beat Parrish and Kareem. Stockton down a spot because he didn’t win a title? Title numbers is a vastly overrated way of looking at how good an individual player is. I guess Karl Malone isn’t the top 2 power forwards of all time then either? They played against Jordan. Enough said there. Gary Payton? Really? He’s not a better point guard than Nash. Defensively, sure. Shooter, passer…not even close. Kemp gets an extra 6 points a game with Nash giving him the ball. @AllenP, you have to put age in the consideration. Nash has had plenty of injuries himself but he plays through them cuz he’s one tough SOB. And while I’m not doctor, I’m pretty sure there’s nothing the doctors can do any differently today for things like a ruptured Achilles tendon. It’s actually pretty disgusting that a two time MVP (and deservedly so, should have won a third straight too) is actually so UNDERrated. I mean…just above KJ? Terrible

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Justin
    You’re rationale is based on the MVPs. Nothing else.
    I’ve discussed those MVPs way too much, it’s sufficient to say that his stats in both years are not comparable to the MVP stats of any other player,and his team success make up for his lackluster numbers considering neither team made the Finals, or really gave a great showing in the WCF.
    Secondly, Gary Payton was Nash’s superior as a SCORER, not shooter. Since you don’t get more points for just “shooting” and since the chasm between Nash and Payton on defense was as large as a canyon, Payton was the better player. Plus, Payton had more team success with less talent or similar talent. Period.
    Isiah Thomas was better than Stockton. Anybody who thinks differently didn’t really pay attention to the League, or what Thomas did to Stockton.
    Look at K.J.’s numbers, and his team success. Without the injuries, he was clearly Nash’s superior.
    The MVPs, which are based on arbitrary guidelines established by a biased media, greatly skew people’s perceptions of Nash. Strip away those awards, and just consider his team success and statistics, and things are a lot easier.

  • Marcos

    Hey guys…just telling that in suns.com theres a photo of coach Gentry reading your magazine. Thought you be intrested

  • Blizzard Man

    so this isn’t a contest?

  • El_Black_Mamba

    Co-Sign Allenp
    Payton is greater than Nash

  • Phamie

    Nash is on the TOP TEN best ever point guard. He deserve to be on 8 believe me.

  • http://hubpages Christian

    John stockton

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