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Thursday, April 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm  |  80 responses

Grant Hill: Misdiagnosis Destroyed Ankle, Career

Grant Hill, on Jason Whitlock’s podcast, said the Detroit Pistons mismanaged his ankle injury, possibly due to standard Isiah Thomas set. PistonPowered has the transcript: “‘I (had been) told everything was fine. I even found out that certain team doctors were questioning whether I was really hurt, thinking I was soft or whatever. This was after I had pulled myself from Game 2 against the Heat. At that time, when I found out I had broken my ankle, as crazy as this sounds, I was relieved. I finally had some confirmation, I finally had proof that I’m really not making it up.’”

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  • bnets

    He was one of the best when he was starting to hit his primes, it`s unfortunate we didn`t get to see it

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I tend to believe him when he says this.
    Shame, Grant Hill was the LeBron James of the 90′s.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    So, how does the illuminati play into all this? J/k (I read into that crap a little out of curiousaty) Hill was great (along with his 1st pair of shoes). Still a decent role player.

  • mj23

    not lebron beter defender passer and he his more athletic and hill dint play long enough to prove himself and one more thing DURABILYTY is something you work first and g hill dint lebron did ass a 18 year older not as a 38 year older

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    mj23 – huh???

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    ^ huh? I dint catch all that.

  • mj23

    durabylity is abilyty to avoid injuries :P

  • mj23

    and we will never know how good grant woudl be if not the injury

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ Speedy

    mj23 I know that Grant Hill was a complete athlete when he came to the league after four years of college. So his ankle injury didn’t happen because he wasn’t trained well enough.
    Do you think that LeBron could play on with an medically messed up ankle?

  • http://pickand.tumblr.com airs

    Dudes typing with hockey gloves on

  • mj23

    ok so lets stop talking about it there are no ifs in sports and g hill is not 2 time mvp so lets stop lebron vs g hill debate

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LeBron didn’t play with MJ in his prime either.
    With your screen name, you oughta know that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    * I mean during the same era as MJ in his prime

  • mj23

    and what g hill did to mj huh? :P

  • mj23

    with mj? you mean against

  • http://slamonline dan

    i know a pistons team Dr and he told me Hill messed his ankle up during a weird hotel room ‘game’

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LeBron is in a class all his own in terms of combination of size, speed and athleticism. We all know that.
    Me saying Hill was the “LeBron James” of that time is due to the fact that he was as versatile as LeBron is now.
    And I’m surprised you ain’t changed your name to LBJ6 at this point.

  • HAMMER

    Grant Hill was Pippen but w/better ball handling, quicker, and w/a better offensive arsenal. As much as Pip was my boy back n the day, but its tru. Hill would’ve been n the HOF, no questions asked

  • mj23

    what man now people got pip damn pip was the best on ball defender(ok maybe gary payton was beter)

  • mj23
  • HAMMER

    Never once did I mention that Hill was a better defender than Pip

  • mj23

    yes i know so dont compere them

  • Bad Bad Leroy Brown

    @mj23

    You do know that there are punctuation keys on the keyboard, right?
    If you knew anything about basketball history, you would know that before this injury, Hill WAS the LeBron of his time. In that he would be the guy to carry the torch for the next generation. Hill had all of the versatility of LeBron PLUS the clutch gene that LJ is missing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    LOL, I told Mj about his grammar on that Kobe over Emeka video. It’s importance is obviously underrated

  • NJ4Life

    Not everyone graduates middle school…

  • HAMMER

    How could u not compare the two? They played the same position and the similarities n their games r obvious. Maybe u just never saw Pip and Hill go @ it back n the day

  • mj23

    yes but i you talking about carrer comparing there is no way you can compere, injuries hapen

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Phantom:
    I’m being an @ss on this one, but your comment @5:30pm is grammatically incorrect.
    It’s “its”, not “it’s”.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    mj23, you’re talking about current Grant Hill while we’re talking about pre-injury Grant Hill.
    Yes, dude was injured and all, but BEFORE the injury he was a beast, plain and simple.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What is the Isiah Thomas standard?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NEvermind, Isiah even gets the blame for this, lol.

  • Bad Bad Leroy Brown

    ^That is dumb logic. You CAN ‘compere’ their careers. The same way you could bring up Penny Hardaway in a discussion about tall, atheltic PG’s. The same way elusive running backs are likened to Gale Sayers in the NFL. In a way, it’s similar to steroids in baseball. If they never happened, the history of the sport would be much different. I’m sure if you take Hill’s stats from his pre-injury days, and progress them in the way a healthy player’s would increase over a career, his numbers would be incredible.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^Maybe it is because how they (Pistons) handled Isiah’s career ending heel injury.

  • mj23

    and what this is grammar lesson?

  • Bad Bad Leroy Brown

    …of course at that is aimed at mj23.

  • Bad Bad Leroy Brown

    …aimed @mj23

  • HAMMER

    No mj23. I was not talking bout career wise. Its obvious Pip had the better career. But like Enigmatic said, Hill was a bad mofo b4 injuries happened

  • mj23

    was a beast there are no ifs in sports and injuries hapen

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Ok, Philo. @Allenp I guess they’re referring to that big game Isiah had on a bad anlke(43 Points, in the Finals). I guess they’re saying the Pistons treated Grant’s injury leniently because of that, or that occurrence at least had something to do with it

  • Bad Bad Leroy Brown

    There is nothing hypothetical about these statements. There are no ‘ifs’ in saying that before Hill was hurt, the ceiling on his career was almost non existent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    ..Or maybe the Pistons just overall suck when dealing with heel/ankle injuries

  • robb

    Ineptitude and lack of class= Detroit

  • JTaylor21

    What the f*ck is a “clutch gene”? There’s isn’t a gene out there that makes players clutch.

  • robb

    ^^^^^
    Of course there is. It’s called the Kobe gene. Didn’t you know that?

  • mj23

    lol stop the gramma thing i am from europe and wile i was a kid i dint had english lessons so i am not great PEACE

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    i just threw up, everywhere after I read Robb’s comment, and I mean everywhere. Its called courage and it comes from Lions.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What does “compere” mean?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Robb….I’m a Kobe fan and you’re stupid comment is making us Kobe fans that know he isn’t the greatest player of all-time or anything like that look like we think he’s the greatest, please stop.

  • robb

    @BlackPhantom it was a joke dumbass.

  • mj23

    phantom you to sirius BE COOL

  • sam

    Grant hill could dunk so much, his dunks had dunks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Robb I sure hope it was

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    I can’t believe so many people are entertaining the ramblings of an incoherent dude.
    LONG LIVE mj23!

  • mj23
  • TR324

    G.Hill was amazing to watch in his early days. Played the right way and had an all around game that was hard to match. He really could do it all. i wanna say he put up like 25, 6 and 8 before he got injured bad the first time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    oh sorry bout that mj23 didn’t know you weren’t american

  • horsey

    you didn’t? from his third comment he had the voice of Niko from GTA IV. dudes, got some bodies buried…

  • TR324

    btw, just realized…see the similarities between Hill’s career and what is becoming Brandon Roys

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I personally think someone put a mickey in the Sprite.

  • MikeC.

    I love to pile on Isiah as much as anyone, but Grant’s comments about Isiah in this interview aren’t slamming Zeke. There’s a full transcript of this interview over on Foxsports.com. Hill goes on to say that the Pistons organization as a whole had a culture of stars that play through the pain due to Isiah’s monster performance after the ankle sprain. Hill felt a need to ‘suck it up’ and keep playing even though his foot felt like it was on fire and about to fall off. The crazy thing about it all is that after Grant signed with Orlando, they had him playing pickup games months before he was cleared to even run because their team doctors didn’t get all the information about his injury. If he had actually died from the staph infection he got after the 2nd or 3rd surgery, and then the info came out, imagine the monstrous lawsuits that would have happened. They’d probably still be in court sorting it out.

  • MikeC.

    I second the motion that Grant Hill’s first Fila shoe was crazy nice. I loved that shoe. Maybe I had a streak of good luck that year, but when I was playing ball in high school, the year I wore those shoes was the only year I didn’t even so much as tweak an ankle. To those morons saying Grant Hill wasn’t mad nice back in the day, just look at what he’s doing now. He’s almost 40, putting up solid numbers on O, locking down the best wings on D and he’s playing with a foot that’s barely even a human appendage. Mix that up with insane athleticism and you have the best player in the L for a couple years. It’s hard to find a player to compare Grant to, but Pip is probably the closest. Pip was a better defender, while Grant was better on O. Lebron is probably best described as Grant Hill meets Karl Malone. He has Grant’s athleticism, sometimes-shaky outside shooting, great ball-handling and creative passing, mixed with Karl Malone’s monstrous physique, strong D and clutch failures.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Weird, I thought England was in Europe?

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Also: There is NO WAY that Wilt would have been able to stop Grant Hill in his prime. Players back then were more injured, taller and more likely to foul.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Trying to hold my man down, jealousy was the motive. Isaiah, he was tough as nails, but the standard you set my friend is way above his bar. Grant Hill was EVERYBODY favorite player. Just imagine if LeBron went to college (ie Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA…) and tore it up, THEN came to league and did what he does. Yeah, that was Grant Hill, Sprite commercials, dope shoes with Fila in a tuxedo (GH Fila II), famous fine a$$ wife. Proof is why he still playing now, dude was the next MJ. Kobe knows he inherited the throne after GH’S injuries. Just sayin. 1996, best draft ever. We miss you AI.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    shout 2 Bad Bad Leroy Brown. He knows

  • http://slamonline.com Acclaimed

    Grant Hill would’ve definitely been a hall of famer. He averaged 26 pts, 7 rebounds and 6 assists before he got injured. Ridiculous stats right there. He was a very Lebronesque player. We’re not comparing careers or anything here, we’re just saying that he had crazy potential.
    GHill’s stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillgr01.html

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Grant Hill played JUST like Shaq except shorter, could shoot the J, couldn’t overpower his opponents, was more of a wing defender and not a post defender, couldn’t rebound as well, passed much better and had a lot more dribble moves, stayed out of the post a lot more, created more, was more mobile and played the SF position instead of the center position. I mean, they’re identical.

  • Will Lee

    Hill is the Brandon Roy of the 90s, but taller and better wingspan.

  • barnabusb

    Just like Mike…….only better? Oh, SLAM!

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    Can’t hill only averaged 25 once in his career so don’t compare him to Scott pippen or labron

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    @ lights out,
    Maybe bcause he got injured when he was rounding into his prime? ….

  • MikeC.

    Not that I’m wishing an injury on anyone, but let’s say that Lebron suffers a serious injury in the next game and he loses most of his explosiveness. Does that totally discount what he has already done and take away our ability to imagine what could have been? For those using that argument against G Hill, I guess that means we should all just forget about what Lenny Bias would have done as a pro.

  • Ali

    FILA KILLED YOUR ANKLE!!!!

  • jimmer

    @lights out – He may have only average 25 ‘once in his career’ but he also put up 9 and 7 to go with it, and two steals. He could literally do anything, infact, in his second season i think he averaged like 9.9 rpg. I might be wrong, but i think that’s more than Lebron has ever averaged, and Hill was like 25lbs lighter, and battling Rodman, Barkley, Mutombo, Olajuwon, Robinson etc for those boards. Not only that, he was one of the most skillful basketball players that ever existed. Other than they are SF’s, the comparisons to Lebron should stop there. If slow &ss Paul Pierce can mess up Lebron, imagine what a ’96 pip or Hill would’ve done to him. And if you are comparing him to Brandon Roy, you never saw him play. Ever.

  • the truth

    I know its a comment section, but MJ23, damn dude you type like you got gary coleman hands

  • Red Star

    Detroit knew what they were doing.

  • J Dilla

    IMO Hill was better than PIP, he was unstoppable on 0 and his D was better than average. Everything James does today, Hill did the same, just with more precision and artistry.

  • giogolo

    Simplified: same game point foward, only difference was physique whcih common sense will tell you,most players would define thier game.lerbon bigger stronger,no clutch but unstoppable on the fbreak. Ghill,slimmer,more graceful and more effective on O skills ie. passing,ballhandling,shooting. but GHill before ijnjuries,knocked it and indeed was the torch bearer after MJ. Kobe and Vince only broke out near millenium onwards. and iMo, fila shoes was the could have been 1 of the factors,simply becuase it was bulky for hill to carry around his slim feet,and it didnt have the hold and fit that innovative shoes have now.

  • bmorezbest

    laughing @ the bron vs hill debate hill was great and still good stop with all the comparisons lebron is in his own category as any exceptional player should be

  • mj23

    vince are you crazy?vince was a damn ball hog

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