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Monday, April 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am  |  285 responses

Post Up: And Another One…

Ray Allen comes through once again; Spurs and Lakers both fall.

Memphis 101, San Antonio 98

Break out the Mase, Spurs fans. Tim Duncan’s back: 16 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks and a Red Bull-like revitalized body and mind. San Antonio’s cruising. Tony Allen’s in foul trouble. Lionel Hollins is using a rotation looser than the girls in a Busta Rhymes video (no, seriously, Greivis Vasquez is playing). Life is good. We don’t need Manu. Tony Parker’s so hot right now.

Wait. What’s that? The remix featuring Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol? Turn that down. It’s ruining everything. No, seriously. It’s really loud. I don’t like it. Where’s the music director?

Music director: There’s nothing I can do. Z-Bo and Marc are ballin’. 25-14 and 24-9. They’re shooting 69% inside of 9 feet.

Tiago Splitter: Dammit. When am I getting some burn?

Gregg Popovich: Get back in your hole, Splitter. Wait, did Tony Allen just miss two free throws? That’s funny. Give the ball to the red-headed guy. (1 minute, 37 seconds, and two Matt Bonner threes later.) Wait, did Tony Allen just hit both of his free throws?

Tony Allen: Yeah I did, old man. That’s game.

Pop: Grumble, grumble, grumble. Give it to Manu. What? Oh, yeah. Okay. Nice suit. See you clowns in Game 2.

Mike Conley: Don’t forget I got 15 and 10.

Zach Randolph: That’s cool, boy. I just got paid.

Chris Wallace: And as I was saying, it’s all about timing…

Media #1: Yeah, whatever. Any of those Caesar wraps left? (Under breath to colleague: “Seriously? $188 million to Randolph, Gay and Conley?”)

End scene. —Patrick Crawley (@BasketballFiend)

Boston 87, New York 85

This one is quickly living up to its billing, as Ray Allen drew first blood with a game winning three to propel the Celtics to an 87-85 victory. The basket highlighted an aggressive night from Sugar Ray who finished with a team high 24 points on 9 of 14 shooting. Allen, who hadn’t been much of a factor in the C’s offense for the better part of a month, came up big with tough drives to the hoop and his trademark jumpers from long range to pace the Boston attack.

The Knicks had one last chance, but Melo’s three bricked off the front of the iron. The misfire from Melo highlighted a forgettable second half for Brooklyn’s favorite son who shot 1 for 11 in the final half and was whistled for an offensive foul with 21 seconds left. The questionable whistle gave the Celtics possession and set up Allen’s big shot off of a feed from Pierce and a screen by Garnett.

For New York, Amar’e put the Knicks on his back with a 28-point, 11-rebound performance. STAT went hard for his, connecting on jumpers, tough drives, and an explosive dunk on JO and Garnett. His work on both ends of the court kept the Knicks in the game throughout the second half.

Allen’s heroics erase an underwhelming first half for Boston who couldn’t get into an offensive rhythm and found themselves down 12 at the half. Rondo’s effort was big for Boston in their comeback as he flirted with a triple double, finishing with 10 points, 9 boards and 9 dimes. The other bright spot for the C’s was Jermaine O’Neal, whose 12-point, 4-block effort made everyone momentarily forget about Perkins. —Jonathan Evans

New Orleans 109, L.A. Lakers 100

If you’re looking for reasons why the Lakers lost yesterday, you can tell this from the box score: Kobe showed up for the Lakers and no one else did.  So, yes, New Orleans stunned Los Angeles in Game 1, winning 109-100.

But if you watched it with your very own eyeballs, you’d know this: It wouldn’t have mattered if Kobe’s teammates were MJ, the Joker at the 40-minute mark of a Batman movie, Dan Majerle in NBA Jam while on easy and on fire, and a couple of guys walking around with pipes, clubbing every stray Hornet not named Chris Paul.

Because as long as Chris Paul was on the floor yesterday, the New Orleans Hornets would’ve won 109-100.

He had 33, 14, and 7, but he was better than that. Immeasurably better than that. He got under Derek Fisher’s skin, so Derek Fisher turned into the Derek Fisher of seven years ago, but that didn’t seem to work. He’d just blow by him on isos.

Then the Lakers started doubling Paul on pick-and-rolls, and this immediately turned Aaron Gray into Wilt Chamberlain. He had to leave the game with 1:02 left to go have sex with 1,000 women. (He also might have shattered his ankle into many little pieces.) Aaron Gray—Aaron Gray—was 5-for-5 for 12 points and was +25 from the field.

That’s probably why you’re here, because you’re not believing that box score from yesterday. Aaron Gray and Jarrett Jack outplayed Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, Kobe dropped 34 even though his team didn’t have a lead at any point after the end of the first quarter, and the Hornets have home court advantage against the favorites in the Western Conference after Game 1.

Total disbelief at this sheet of paper, probably. That’s the emotion you’re experiencing. And that’s probably the same thing Chris Paul has been feeling when he picks up all of those expert MVP ballots and he’s not on it. —Ben Collins

Oklahoma City 107, Denver 103

Kevin Durant scored a career-high 41 points as the Oklahoma City Thunder won 107-103 in a pulsating Game 1 against the Denver Nuggets at the Ford Center on Sunday.

Durant and Russell Westbrook scored 72 of the Thunder’s 107 points as both players led a resurging Thunder that was down at the half but had to crawl back to win Game 1.

Westbrook dropped 31 points and 7 assists while Eric Maynor came off the bench and added 12 points for Oklahoma City.

A crucial part of the game was when Kendrick Perkins tipped in a Westbrook missed jumper in the fourth quarter with 1:05 left in the game. The call should have been basketball interference and the basket waved off since the ball was still in the cylinder but unfortunately for Denver, the call stood and Oklahoma City had the lead 102-101 which they never lost again.

“Obviously, it was goaltending,” George Karl said of the no call. “We had our chances. The guys did everything we asked them to do. Durant and Westbrook make 72 points against us, I think we can make some adjustments there.”

Nene led all Nuggets scorers with 22 points on 9-of-11 shooting. He also finished with eight rebounds but he was out of the game for almost eight minutes when he knocked knees with Perkins in the third quarter with 11:02 left. Danilo Gallinari chipped in 18 points while Raymond Felton who missed a potential three pointer to tie the game down the stretch finished with 12 points off the bench.

Denver started the first quarter with a great lead but the Thunder relied heavily on their two superstars Durant and Westbrook all night long even in the first quarter. Nene was hot for Denver, scoring 10 of his 22 points in the first quarter alone. Denver led the game 33-24 after the first and stunned the Thunder and everyone watching at the Ford Center.

But Oklahoma City would not be denied. The second quarter started with Eric Maynor and James Harden cutting into Denver’s lead with their efforts off the bench.

Even with Westbrook scoring 10 points in the second quarter—and Oklahoma City’s 35-27 second quarter performance—the Nuggets still had a one-point lead going into the half.

Denver relied on their guard combo of Felton and Ty Lawson to keep their lead. Lawson had a crucial steal off an inbound pass by Serge Ibaka with 3:49 left in the half.

At halftime, Denver led the game 60-59, but was shooting 50 percent from the free throw line (8-for-16) while Oklahoma City only missed four of their 20 attempts from the charity stripe.

Though Westbrook was leading all scorers with 21 points at the break Durant’s numbers were stacking up as he took over the second half for Oklahoma City. He scored 14 points in the third quarter alone as the Thunder wrestled the lead away from the Nuggets. Though there were a numerous lead changes in the third quarter, Durant’s shooting kept his team in it.

Durant hit back-to-back three point shots and got an assist to Maynor who nailed another three to finish the third as Oklahoma City had a slim lead 86-82 to finish the third. —Sulaiman Folarin

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  • Scott

    Chris Paul had one of the best performances by a point guard that I’ve ever seen in the playoffs.

  • Ali

    No aggression from Pau and Lamar = Loss for LA LA LAND. CP3′s stat line was sic wit it! 33pts, 14dimes, 7rebs, 4stls! Still got Lakers taking it in 6. CP3 alone is good for 2 wins!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    One thing I learned through one game of the 2011 Playoffs? The field is fuc*ing WIDE open!!!!

  • Fat Lever

    How bout dem Knicks!!! SMH…

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Go C’s and something is telling me Allball is gonna be braging today…

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Godd*mn that Ray Allen, the only Celtic even remotely likable. The Knicks could have pulled it out were it not for Melo’s lack of everything in the second half. Loved seeing KG get banged on tho…The Lakers are extremely arrogant. Their biggest problem is that they think they really won’t be beaten. It’s satisfying anytime they lose, but last night was a good hard punch in the mouth. It’s too bad they got their wakeup call. It would be sweet to see them knocked around some more.

  • http://Twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    F*uck Paul Pierce.

  • Fred

    Pierce deserve an Oscar, what a actor! He can’t guard Melo, so he decided to play like a girl.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    a lot of reasons to be happy for Celtics fan. Ray gets going in a big way and Rondo getting his assists, both of which point to the Celtics’ offense clicking again. Plus, JO came up big on both ends. oh yeah, and we got the win. and CP3 was incredible yesterday. the way the Lakers are guarding him reminds me of how they tried to guard Nash last year by making him a scorer. didn’t that get them in some trouble with the Suns though?

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Does anyone actually expect any better of Pierce? He’s only slightly less of a jerk than KG.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Am I the only one that thinks the Celts are thrilled they won a game that they played pretty poorly in and won it at their pace and final score? I see the Knicks MAYBE stealing 2 games if they can get the scores into the 110′s….but if they play at that same pace, the Celts will close them in 5. The Knicks played really nice D yesterday…there’s no way they do that for the whole of that series.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    @Fred: Pierce can’t guard Melo? how many points did he hold Melo to in the second half? 4? and that was an obvious offensive foul, come on, it wasn’t even questionable.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    And people say there is no parity in the NBA anymore. Seriously, big ups to CP3 and NOH for an extremely well played game 1. We may need to print up some milk cartons featuring Pau Gasol. As a fan of a team who lost at home in Game 1, I have to believe that they’ll still be fine. Leave LA with a split and take things from there. One game at a time.

  • JTaylor21

    CP hands down still is the best PG in the L, no ifs ands or buts about it. It seems like people forgot what he could do with all the hype Rose and Westbrook are getting but when he’s on his game, there’s no one better. None of those guys could have done what he did yesterday, the way he controlled the entire game and defeated a supremely talented LA team from the PG position was a sight to see.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just imagine if David West didn’t get hurt……

  • Fat Lever

    That alley-oop inbound play was a thing of beauty. Amar’e saying he’s on a different platform than Big Baby? Doc Rivers is on a different platform than D’Antoni. Dumb @$$ shot by Melo too, to try and win the game. He settles for that j way too much. Yea he makes them, but did you see Rondo leave Douglas to go double Melo cause he knew Melo was going to shoot the J no matter what, and not drive it in?

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Man, if you don’t love Paul Pierce’s game, you don’t love basketball. That dude’s game is so old man smooth, but he still has a little bounce. I could see him playing five more years barring an injury. I love his in between game, even more than I love Kobe’s and that’s saying something because Kobe is a master craftsman in the mid range.
    Chris Paul says thanks for keeping his seat warm Derrick Rose. I told y’all putting Rose above CP3 and DWillw as premature. Them two boys still got it, even if Rose is nipping at their heels.
    Melo shot too many three pointers. What is his problem? And Amare is feeling frisky, which gives the Knicks a shot if he keeps attacking the rim. There is nothing Big Baby can do to stop him.
    The Thunder run isos and pick and rolls the entire game. They should still beat Denver, but I don’t know about the Lakers or Dallas.
    Man, if the NBA was a drug, I would have overdosed this weekend. I love it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    That pass that Paul rifled from about five feet behind the three point line while only using one hand was other wordly.

  • martey

    So let me get this straight..you’re down two with eleven seconds to go bring the ball up court…do you a) drive for a lay-up and try to tie it and/or draw the foul to get you to the free throw line, tying or winning the game with the and 1…or do you b) wait at the three point line for a last second shot, overly confident, and shoot a clunker at the buzzer? Why is it that everyone that grew up watching jordan thinks they are supposed to hit a game winning jumper at the buzzer..its a last option…oh melo!

  • JTaylor21

    Why the hell did the Knicks go away from Amare down the stretch when they saw that KG and Dead Man Walking couldn’t stop him?
    Melo needs to take a backseat for a while because STAT has a bigger match-up advantage over KG than he does over PP.
    Also why didn’t he make that pass to a wide open TDouglas during that last second shot? Rondo was basically begging him to pass it to the open guy but I guess being the hero is more important than making the correct basketball play.

  • Eddie

    Kobe did something to the illuminati. They have been trying to knock him down- first with that twisted ankle, then with all that focus on his use of the slur, and now this ish with the hornets. Illuminate me on how this ish is not illuminati

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    So Jason Kidd and Jermaine are gonna spend all day in cryogenic sleep, right?

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Fat Lever
    That might have been the best inbounds play I’ve ever seen in decades of watching basketball.
    The way they had the action with Garnett and Pierce both moving to the free throw line, then both cutting to the rim. Only, there is a back screen on Turiaf, while Pierce goes and sets a screen on the help defender so nobody can roll to defend the rim.
    That was just beautiful basketball man. Doc Rivers draws the best inbounds plays in the league, easy.

  • Scott

    Another game winner for Jesus Shuttlesworth. Slam next time you do a top 500 I think Jesus should be ahead of Reggie Miller.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    @Allenp: best drug of them all.
    Oh and this regular season, The Truth proved he had loads of bounce left.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    I’m never putting DWill and Rose in the same sentence as Chris Paul again. That guy is just amazing.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Doc Rivers has fantastic play calling out of huddles. But earlier this season, Popovich had a few that blew my mind.

  • JTaylor21

    Damn, that nene cat is a beast. Dude banged on IBlocka and Perks all day long and those guys were supposed to be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the L. A guy like that should command big money in the off-season, if PRiley is as smart as everyone says, he will do everything in his power to get nene on the heat next season. Is trading CB1 an option yet?

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Speaking of players who should be ahead of other players on the next Slam top 500…Keith Van Horn over Glen Rice? Really?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    CP3′s dismantling of the lakers or Drose carrying of the Bulls?

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    While watching Denver vs.DurantoWestbrook last night, Ryan Jones and i were tweet-joking about Ray Felron’s increased BMI, RJ called him out on his beefed up arms.
    After messing up the Nuggets last 4 possessions, i shall now call him “Beefy”.

  • Fat Lever

    Allen, I agree. Doc is the best at drawing up plays coming out of a timeout. More so than the player matchups, I think Boston wins, and wins rather easily because of the coaching disparity. I’m sorry, but defensively D’Antoni is horrendous. A play like that should never happen in that circumstance, with the game on the line. Can we start calling him ‘Antoni?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Derrick Rose had to “carry” his team over a 37 win team….a 37 win team that shouldn’t even be in the playoffs (according to various bloggers and writers that suckle on Bull balls). CP3 beat the 2 time defending champs, 3 in a row NBA Finalist and according to the same miscreant writers and bloggers, the favorites to win and destroy all in their path in the West. I think CP3 wins Round 1 here with a knockout.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    NO EXCUSES HERE! Much respect to the Boston Celtics and Ray Allen last night. The C’s stepped up in the 2nd half and took a W out of the jaws of defeat. They’re a prideful team. I expected a dogfight of a series against the C’s. The truth is, the Knicks just didn’t make the plays they had to when they had to in order to finish the C’s off last night. They came close, but no cigar. You know the saying, the series don’t start until someone wins on the road. The Knicks get another opportunity to knock the C’s off in beantown this Tuesday, and I LOVE their chances! I think they Knicks are due for a breakthrough W against the C’s. And guess what?! I CAN’T WAIT! Go KNICKS! P.S. – I told you CP3 was going to make that series competitive. The Lakers game 1 loss had to STING those “FINE” Laker fans! Hold your heads up!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Also, liked this tidbit I read this morning….in every Phil Jackson led title team in history, one has NEVER dropped the first game in an opening round series, EVER. I like this precedent.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    Man, Melo did play bad, I’ll admit that… but that offensive foul was bogus… I can’t think of a superstar player besiides Melo who they would call that on. He gets no love from the refs. But anyways, Ray came clutch as usual and the game was intense

  • Ali

    How you win don’t matter, all that matters is that you WIN!!! Loved to see them young ATL gunners get in Orlando’s a** the other day, Hahaha…CP3 and Rose are putting on clinics! But that damn Westbrook is something special too!

  • JTaylor21

    Everyone will talk about Ray’s GW and Melo’s misses but the biggest reason the Knicks lost was the lack of rebounding. How many times during the game did they make a stop on the defensive end yet failed to secure the rebound, giving the celtics extra possessions. Melo and Amare must rebound for the knicks to have a chance in the series.

  • T-Money

    Give me a healthy CP3 all day err’day over any point guard in the NBA. He affected every facet of the game. 33-7-14 with 4 steals on 11-18 fg? Wowzers. I’m not a fan of Simmons but I chuckled when he said on twitter that CP3′s game yesterday should be burned on DVD and shown in basketball camps for eternity.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I have been on the Deron Williams ‘best PG’ band wagon for the last couple of years. I was wrong, Chris Paul when healthy – and boy do he look healthy – is the greatest PG in the world and it is not even close. That game he played was a clinic. If he keeps up this play it will be a long series, Derek Fisher couldn’t guard him in a telephone booth.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Man, that play when Chris Paul put Gasol on skates at the free throw line was just dirty pool.
    He had Gasol so confused that boy couldn’t even get his hands up to challenge the shot.
    And I know we complain about Kobe jacking shots, but yesterday was a prime example of Gasol and Bynum deciding they didn’t want to dominate inferior competition and forcing Kobe to try to take over. Which leads to him doing the same thing in the wrong circumstances. The rest of the Lakers deserve some blame for creating the monster that is Kobe.
    Again, has anybody noticed that the Thunder don’t actually run an offense, only a neverending series of isolations and pick and rolls? Is anybody else bored and disturbed by this?

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    for the record… i love the celtics… and this matchup has me emotional because i really want to see them get one more… i just like melo a bit more. But if celtics win this series im pullin for em the rest of the way

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Speaking of going away from what works, Kmart, Nene (and even Birdman in spurts) were ABUSING the Thunder frontcourt, the PG to PF to C interior passing sequence that Nene smashed late in the game was sooooo nice. But Felton felt the need to overdribble against Russ (too quick for him) and Thabo (one of the best defenders today) and drove in for tough layups.
    Didn’t help that the refs ignored a blatant basket interference during a critical moment of the game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    cant wait to hear bull22 on this one.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    No doubt, when healthy, CP3 is the best. I love Dwill and desperately want him to be better, but he doesn’t have the raw physical gifts that Paul has. And that’s it. Rose has the gifts, but not the skillset and game. He can get there.

  • T-Money

    i was really surprised that they called that on melo, i guess technically it was a foul but he didn’t gain any advantage. if you hook somebody i understand but just sealin your guy 25 feet froom the hoop? they should have gone to STAT though. / interesting okc subplot: how long will it take for kd to just snap and tell westbrook to give him the damn ball at the end of games? under 2 mins, westbrook took 3 shots and had one TO. that’s 4 consecutive possessions!

  • J-MAC

    Lakers will be fine. CP3 played a great game and who would of thought Aaron Grey would of played that well. Pau and Lamar really need to get it together.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Thoughts; Kobe played a very good game and picked his spots excellently yesterday, but boy did he disappear in the clutch 0-4 and a crucial turnover. Please people let us not forget these kind performances when the LA-herd goes on and on about 24′s clutchness. For my money RayRay is the real Mr. Clutch of the L these days. Westbrook keeps proving that he is on par with Rose. Nene is O Bicho – he will get paid handsomely this year, and if Slick Pat scopes him up, the Heat will be smoking.

  • T-Money

    allen: actually, i think that deron does have the raw physical gifts. maybe not quite as quick but he’s stronger, taller and jumps higher. it’s just that deron has excellent pg instincts for a mere mortal whereas cp3 is on some next level basketball wizardry.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Melo and Amare have to rebound, but Melo’s shortcomings in nearly every aspect of the game killed them in the second half. If he wants to always be the man at the end of the game, he has to also accept responsibility for an L like last night’s. I still think they are at least gonna take the Celtics to a game 7, but until my sqaud gets a real coach to light a fire under their butts EVERY game, I expect more of the same bs.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    chris mothaf*ckin paul, wow he killed it last night.
    i loved when he straight played pau at the free throw line, just toyed with him.
    OKC really squeaked it out last night, got a few lucky calls and bounces, i honestly believe nuggets can “upset” in that series, especially if nene is playing how he did last night.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, I’m not disturbed by it but if I were a thunder fan, I would be. I mean that kind of offense works against a team like Den because they too lack offensive/defensive structure but against a team like the lakers or the team that comes out of the east, that kind of offense is too predictable and easy to shut down.
    I’ve always been a fan of teams running actual offensive sets but it seems like way too many teams run the same PnR action all game long. There’s a reason why teams that run offensive sets like the lakers and celts are champs and Iso and PnR heavy teams like the 09/10 cavs flamed out.

  • http://www.lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    CP3 was amazing to watch, and you can still notice his limp when he sprints. He gets momentary dead-leg – pretty weird.

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    The number of foul calls that the Knicks didn’t receive were RIDICULOUS. Amare’s last two buckets and the play that sent Chauncey down were full of contact. Conversely, some of the calls Pierce and Davis were getting were beyond me. I don’t understand why Fields didn’t play for the entire fourth quarter and why we went away from Amar’e as time expired, but what do I know…Sigh. What a wasted opportunity.

  • t-sizzle

    awesome games this whole weekend! i have all my picks winning except the blazers.. but that’s because of some big 4thQ freethrow disparity, so i digress. anyhow, big ups to KD, westbrook, rayray and drose for playing so well in their first games. and also cp3 is definitely the best pg at orchestrating the offense. i guess that nikki minaj “lap dance” paid off dividends and got him all fired up haha..

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Well JTaylor you must not be too confident about the Heat because they still are way too iso and P/R heavy.
    I just don’t like it because it seems like lazy basketball sometimes from a coaching standpoint. I like sets because they give everybody a purpose, and encourage ball movement. It’s amazing when a player gets hot and can’t be stopped, but I hate when coaches figure that’s what they should count on every game.
    T-Money
    The quickness disparity between the two is amazing, in my opinion. Dwill is like normal human speed, Chris Paul is on some mutant speed level when he’s healthy. And then it’s not just end to end speed, it’s lateral quickness and shiftiness. But, Dwil is shifty too, just not like Paul
    Dwill has all right hops, but not great. Paul gets up too, he’s just shorter. And he’s quite strong for a little dude. Actually, up close, he’s not that little.
    I think Paul has the physical edge. And he has the edge, slightly, as far as how he sees the game. But, that edge is smaller than the physical edge to me. If Deron Williams had a little more footspeed, he’d be such a monster.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Richard Jefferson shoulda passed that last shot 2 Red Rocket.
    Where’s Allball when u need him?

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    It doesn’t matter that the Lakers lost yesterday, they will be fine once post-season rolls around….wait…what?

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    Knicks fans should lay off the refs and call for D’Antoni’s head. He was thoroughly outcoached by Doc in those final minutes. The backscreen lob was horribly defended, but it was a surprise look, so you can somewhat forgive them for that. But Boston ALWAYS run that guard on guard flare screen with Ray and Paul and they weren’t ready for it. The Knicks had NO PLAY designed for if Boston scored, they just tried to wing it and you see what that got them. On top of all of that, Amare was straight up abusing KG but after that dunk, he didn’t touch the ball again. Instead the draw up a corner iso for Melo!?!?

  • burnt_chicken

    Watching Chris Paul yesterday was beyond watching a clinic. It was akin to seeing a virtuoso performance. Amazing.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Royal: nice. Laughed at that one.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    Sorry FP of Nsam. Thanks for holding it down. Statistically CP is the best play-off PG ever. The ONLY guy to average 20/10 in post season play. What he did last night was phenomenal, and I think Allen is under stating the mental difference between the two. CP is not that quick or explosive yet, but he should get it back. It has never been as close between those two as Allen likes to think.
    Oh, and I have been telling you all season… Was that the best opening round play-off game in recent history? How far do you have to go back to find a game that complete, against the defending champs, on the road, with your 2nd best player out for the year.

  • T-Money

    allen: we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. i think deron has all the footspeed he needs and gets by into the paint with a live dribble whenever he wants to. and he can dunk on bigs no problem. all the physical tools are there, he just looks pudgy in the face like melo so people don’t think they’re that athletic lol. i just think that cp3 is more skilled than anyone with the ball in his hand.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    ALLBALL
    In my opinion, Williams has been the best point guard in the league for the past two years. This year, and the one before it.
    Now, Paul’s injury is obviously a factor, and before the injury, I had him better than Williams.
    I know it’s popular to say that the gap between the two is massive, particularly when you compare the advanced stats and what not. I’ve always felt that while those stats are important, and buttress the arguments that Paul is outstanding, they overstate the gap. Watching the two play, Williams is just a smidge beneath Paul on average, and there have been many nights when he’s exceeded Paul. And while people like to throw out the head-to-head matchups because Paul had the “inferior” talent, I think Williams’ ability to more than hold his own when going against Paul, regardless of who got the win, is proof of how close they are. When the gap is wide, it shows and it shows quickly.
    Anyway, props to CP3 for a vintage performance. I only wish Dwill was still hooping.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    T-Money
    That’s cool.

  • ThaWindy

    DRose the Youngest MVP in league history. Thats the kinda precedent I like. The youngest to 2000 pts 600 assist in a season behind Oscar R. He’s much faster than any other pg in the league. IMPOSSIBLE to take a charge on. Killer instinct. Clutch. Play maker. Like Mike passing to Paxson or Kerr, Rose to Korver. Been consistent all season. Could easily be the MIP. Kinda like LBJ how he blocks lay up from behind. Like Denzel, Rose is simply unstoppable. Game 2. (In Bart Scott voice) CAN’T WAIT

  • JoeMaMa

    Home court advantage. def’n: getting a couple of really bad calls going your way, like a blatant goaltending no-call that wins you a game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    And fck how the Lakers played. It would not have mattered. CP3 was eating souls last night. Allen, before CP got injured he was the consensus best PG. He’s still the best PG, but now people debate it, because of Derons play whilst he was injured, and Rose amazing play all year. Last night was a reminder that CP is still peerless. And they don’t play again till Wednesday, that will help Pauls knee. So much for all the experts predicting a sweep. You never bet against Chris Paul at close to full health.

  • J Dilla

    Chris Paul had a great game willing his team to a game 1 victory over the lake show, as well as he should this is no coincidence people. History will tell you that under Phil Jackson point guards dominate the Lakers throughout the season and playoffs, case in point Mike Bibby, Stoudmire, Nash, Parker and Rondo the lists can go on and on. Fisher can’t guard point guard point guard, so look for Kobe to pick up Paul in game two. Paul is still one of the top GOD’s in the league, hell Brent Price would dominate the Lakers…

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    Yep, because it is better to be the youngest to do something, rather than the only person to do it?!?! Gtfoh with that bs. Rose can take his well deserved MVP. In the real season, CP is the best ever statistically.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    J Dilla, ill repeat this again. In the Play-offs, CP is statistically, the best ever as a PG. So it doesn’t matter what team they are playing. Kobe and Ron had him on a switch last night several times. It did not matter. Paul will light Kobe up if Kope guards him. Stop hating. Paul would do better guarding Kobe than vice versa. He straight ripped the ball from him twice, and drew a charge that would be called if it was not on Kobe.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    AllBall
    I said he was the consensus. I just said the gap wasn’t that large.
    You and Bill Simmons disagree. Cool.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah Pauls still the best Point Guard. Common frontline where ya at? Fisher shouldn’t be playing harder than PAU and LAMAR combined. Fun game though. Actually all of them have been. Post Season/Real Season is here!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    Chaunsey Billups @ the presser: “I’m in a lot of pain right now.” UH OH

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, of course not. Mia is much harder to defend and stop when they are running offensive sets and when either Wade or Bron are playing off the ball. It’s easier to defend them when they fall into isos and PnR mode that both guys love so much.
    I’m surprised coaches that run strictly isos and pnr get a free pass from the media and fans, like you said it’s a sign of laziness and a lack of preparation on the coach’s part.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ ThaWindy: Rose is fast for sure, but a healthy John Wall may be slightly faster. Westbrook is pretty equal with Rose in the speed department. What Rose has is the strength that most other pg don’t.

  • ripslam

    Ha. Told y’all Pierce would outplay Carmelo.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Where my boy Diesel at? Enigmatic, may be? Bryan Crawford? When you guys are ready to acknowledge that the best PG in the L is back and does not reside in the Chi or NJ talk to me.

  • J Dilla

    @allenP No hating on this side, simply saying point guards seem to have great games against the Lakers due to lack of defenders to guard that position. Nothing against Paul he’s awesome but I will still take D Rose over Paul because Rose will be one of the top 5 players in the league.

  • bashmo

    Where’s the homie AllBall? Big ups bra, we keep believing, and CP3 keeps dealing, damn that was an MVP type performance. I told everyone from the get-go…the man never lost the title of best PG in the NBA, even with Rose shining, he is the better facilitator and floor general and can put the ball in the bucket, which many seem to have forgot. It may be asking for a lot, but I really hope Hornets come out wit the same energy and make game 2 competitive going back to the hive

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    whoa allball, i don’t think any of the bulls fans said drose was the best pg, i know i never did. he is the MVP however.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    What up, bashmo.
    CP knows that the Lakers are gonna come out with energy, so they will match that.
    J Dilla, your hating. Rose has had ONE amazing regular season, and your saying he’s better than Paul. Fans are so driven by the media these days its ridiculous.
    If the Chi guys came to their conclusions after watching CP all year too, it would be different.
    I have watched them both all year, Rose is the most athletic PG ever, and may be the best scoring PG ever when he is done, but he cannot dictate a game like CP. The only thing he can do better than CP is score.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    and i have said before that cp3 is the best pg in the league

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    airs, no doubt, he is the MVP. Diesel I know has said Rose is better. Diesel, remember when you told me that I should start comparing Paul to Felton because he has done nothing since 08. Ha!!! Your one of my favourites on here, but you made yourself look real stupid with that comment.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i can already tell that the comments these next few weeks within the playoffs are going to be very passionate, biased, and irrational. well, i know mine will so excuse me

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    In my mind, Paul when healthy has always been superior to Deron Williams, who I think benefited from Sloan’s system, whereas Paul seems to just be freestyling out there, reading every situation perfectly. Rose vs Paul is a big one, I think of it like this, Rose is the best player at the PG position, but Paul is the best at playing the PG position, he takes running a team to new levels of craziness. I hope he doesn’t bow to pressure and go to one of these hip new “Superteams”, he just needs one great big man, and he’ll win it all. Would love to see him play with Dwight.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I’ve been avoiding TPU because I knew once the playoffs came around, things would get even crazier around here. And I was right. Its almost like old school heads that don’t want to believe Rose is the best were just sitting and waiting for CP3 to have a good game so they could say he’s back! Take that DRose fans. Only problem is this was one game…an amazing game at that…but only one game. I remember the game against Phoenix where CP3 had 26 & 12 and everyone was talking sh*t about him being back, only for him to go for averages of 14 & 9 in February. And then go for 7, 0 , and 7 points to close out the year. I said it before and I’ll say it again. DRose is the best point guard out there RIGHT NOW. If CP3 can stay healthy and has a few more games like this then we can start talking, but those are 2 big ifs. You know I got respect for you AllBall so I’m happy your team won. But I don’t see how CP’s game was that much better than DRose’s 39 he dropped on Indiana. And yeah I know its Indiana and they’re an 8th seed, but the Lakers also probably have the worst collection of defensive points in the league. So lets keep everything in perspective.

  • paul

    Lotta talk about Rose, CP and Westbrook, all justified. But all Rondo did was take over in the third quarter and pull victory from the jaws of defeat with a near triple double. Just hope he’s not injured.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I like that response Diesel. Thing is, regular season does not matter, we both no that. CP is phenomenal in the play-offs.
    If you don’t see the difference between the two games then we cant really debate any more. It was plainly obvious to any one with two eyes. Only Bulls fans are trying to under state how phenomenal CP was last night.

  • el_larsen

    thanks rayray!!!!!once again clutch
    what a performance by cp3:the best pg in the league

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    as far as point guards go, i still gotta take cp3. and i mean point guard in the truest sense of the word, however subjective that may be.
    derrick is the man, we all know that , and he’s killing it and i wouldn’t dare trade him for cp3 or anyone else right now.
    but as far as point guards go, its still cp3.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And on that only 1 game ish, it was the most important game of the year, on the road, against the defending champs, with the 2nd best player out. Come on now.
    Paul is better than Rose at EVERY aspect of the game besides scoring. EVERY aspect.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    D, what Rose has done during the regular season is not THAT dis similar from what Bron has been doing for years right? Although Bron has had better stats and more success. It is also not dis similar for what Paul has done the last 3 years he was healthy (including this year), Paul also had better stats (besides points) and dragged a average group to within a game of the WC Finals.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i can’t cosign that allball, just can’t.
    rose is bigger, faster, stronger. i’d take him on boards too. and i’ll even go as far as saying he might be more clutch.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    airs, I like your ability to stay rational.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Rose is bigger, stronger, and faster. What does that translate into? All he does better is score. He is definitely not a better rebounder! That is just false.
    Now, he is very clutch.

  • J Dilla

    @ALLENP Wow he can’t dictate a game it’s obvious you haven’t been watching, which player on the Bulls can get a shot off without Rose create one for them…No 1. If anything Rose dictates just as much as CP3 does, once again not a CP3 hater he’s definitely a top 3 point guard in this league. As far as buying into what the media says is pointless I form my own opinions. Not brainwashed by ESPN just know the game of basketball that’s all, that’s it…BULLS!!!

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    The f*ck does Derrick Rose have to do with Chris Paul having a monster game?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    J Dilla, you are clueless.
    I know I was not the 1st one to bring Rose and Williams into it. Sure, I ran with it, CP is peerless in terms of play-off production for a PG.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jahmai, where you at?
    If it was Rose having a game THAT good you would have had the 1st comment…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    him being bigger, faster and stronger translates into…being bigger, faster and stronger. duh. and, thats cool, right.

  • JTaylor21

    Everything enigmatic, everrrything!

  • http://chicagonow.com/sports/bulls Diesel

    Its all opinion AllBall..you say game one is the most important, I say its the easiest game to steal. But we’re not going to agree today so I’ll leave it alone. We’ll revisit this when the series is over and we have a better picture of how CP and his team did.

  • Feez22

    Positions are so messed up in the nba nowadays… what is a PG really? its crazy because guys like lebron and wade as well as roy can facilitate like point guards on the wing (ya wade not as much as the others but you get my drift). Are they “point guards”? I remember when positions used to be defined. Point guards used to facilitate for their teammates, SG’s & SF’s used to be primary wing scorers (with SG’s taking defensive prowess), PF’s used to be the guys with the inside/out game and C’s used to be big logs in the paint that could just overpower people. Now its all messed up. The comparison with rose/cp3 is not even a comparison if you think about it. Its comparing apples to oranges. Rose is a score 1st pg, paul is a pass 1st pg. If you want that conventional pg that can also score, play D and rebound some get chris. If you want that scoring PG that can pass some, rebound get rose. If rose were 1 or 2 inches taller and had better defense we wouldn’t even be talking about him as a PG realistically. of course its not reality but lets tell it like it is… Rose shoots 20 times per game, avg’s 8 assists, shoots a low % from the field and is a score 1st PG. That sounds a hell of a lot like allen iverson to me. At least the sixers knew to play allen as the off guard that brought the ball up some. If i’m going to pick i will take the conventional PG. i will take chris paul because even if he isn’t scoring he can impact the game heavily on defense, controlling tempo, passing, rebounding, etc. When rose isn’t scoring great… well… he keeps shooting. He shoots and shoots until clutch time when he becomes a madman monster type player with that Killer Instinct. I think the only way rose’s play style can work is with a team that can give him the extra posessions and hide his flaws defensively. Thats what the 1st ranked defense/rebounding bulls do for him. Paul doesn’t have that luxury so i will take the guy that has been doing it for a few yrs w/ inferior talent.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I respect that Diesel.
    airs, I mean on court production. It enables him to score easier, sure. With that being true he still cant defend or rebound as well as Paul.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    feez, that may be one of the best comments I have read since I started on this site. Great call, and I co-sign.

  • Feez22

    i’ll just say it… Derrick is the best player playing point guard in the nba. Chris paul is the best player running the point in the nba. you can’t go wrong with neither so w/e its a great choice to have. now onto other business… I know carmelo is clutch but jeez… 3pt shot ftw from boston college aint gonna cut it man. Paul pierce is great @ defense. He (and tony allen) pretty much shut down lebron last yr and he shut melo down in the 2nd half this yr. For an old, fat slow pierce… he sure has some great defense.

  • JTaylor21

    Okay, so now we are looking at the last game of the RS to decide who’s the better PG? Just when you thought that the hype couldn’t get any louder, Rose fans have taken it to even greater heights. CP’s best seasons and playoff runs would blow anything Rose has done so far in his career out of the water. CP is hands down the best PG while DRose gets to battle Westbrook for the best scoring PG title, there’s a difference folks.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    All good and valid points Feez22. Co-sign.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jtaylor, the thing is, if Paul goes off and they win the last 2 games, they end up playing the same team that they beat last night. How you can come away from last nights game thinking anything other than Paul is the best PG in the L is beyond me. Paul has two separate seasons that are better than Rose current MVP season. He got robbed by the voters and Kobe one year, the other year Bron had a better season.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Adam Figman

    Feez22, ftw.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i know what you meant allball, i was jus messing. i havent watched enough hornets ball to determine if he rebounds well or if their just stray long rebounds that come his way.
    and im not sure who you’re referring to jtaylor. it is true, you do like to complain. a lot.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    JDilla
    I believe you have confused my screenname with AllBall’s
    The first three letters are the same, but that’s it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, sorry Allen, I should have pointed that out.

  • J Dilla

    @ALLBALL I know, I know u a fan of CP3 i can respect that but CP3 had a great run n still can hold his own in this league. Night after night D Rose performs at such a high level that is only matched by very few players in this league…It time to pass the torch. Williams and Paul can battle for the 2spot.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    See, I been saying I think CP and DWill are better than Rose all season, but this Rose-bashing everytime CP has a great game is getting f*cking ridiculous.
    Dude averaged 11 points on 40% from the field the last month of the season, AllBall’s quiter than a mouse, then he has one monster game in the playoffs and suddenly it’s “f*ck Rose! CP3!”
    Damn.
    Who y’all really trying to convince? Us or yourselves?

  • JTaylor21

    PP plays good D but the credit has to go to the entire BOS defense especially the frontcourt.
    Guys like KG, JO and the past few years Perks, are the biggest reasons why PP looks like an all-nba defender. How many times last night did Melo blow by PP like he had cement shoes on only to have KG/JO stop him at the rim? Come on son, PP is a decent defender but let’s not get carried away think he shutdown LeBron and Melo.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LOL! The regular season is what matters now?
    Come on now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I have watched every Hornet game this year. I have never been worried about Paul come the play-offs. I have said as much. He has played bad games, but in his bad games he was still getting 10 assists, 4/5 boards, and 2-4 steals. He just was not being aggressive offensively. But now its the play-offs. He said so him self.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Oh, my bust.
    One playoff game trumps 82 regular season games.
    What was I thinking?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    As a non-contributor today (and mainly a reader)….it seems to me that the Rose fans are the ones that have been trying to discount what CP3 did yesterday, not the other way around. What’s the reason for THAT? They don’t have comparative skills. Rose is a deadly scorer. CP3 is an all-around technician. There’s a difference. One’s a “true” PG, by traditional standards, the other is a hybrid born out of top-tier athleticism and uncanny ability to slice defenses. This shouldn’t be so difficult.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    My point is, when player A has a great game it never made sense to me to say “see! he’s better than Player B!” unless their teams are facing each other.
    So the f*ck what if Paul had a better game than Rose or if Paul’s the better player?
    Who’s team is gonna be playing longer? That’s all I’m concerned with at this point.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, so Paul played bad for 80 games this year? He averaged 16/10/4/2.5!! He was better than Rose in every category besides scoring. That was DURING the REGULAR SEASON. Damn, lets all punish Paul because he raised his game when it matters most. What was he thinkin playing one of the best opening round games ever last night. Why does he always raise his play in the post season? I don’t get it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Who mentioned Rose first?! Not me.

  • JTaylor21

    Of course it’s complaining whenever I’m not bathing in a tub full of roses like American Beauty.
    Where the hell is Kevin Spacey when you need him?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Some one said who’s game was better (not me), some one else said Rose as the youngest MVP every was the kind of precedent he wanted (makes no sense, CP is doing something know one else in the history of the game has done), then J Dilla came and discounted his play because it was against the Lakers, who only happen to be the defending champs. Then it comes out that J Dilla is a Bulls fan (and an idiot).

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I call BS on that, Eboy.
    ________________________________________________JTaylor21 Posted: Apr.18 at 9:44 am
    CP hands down still is the best PG in the L, no ifs ands or buts about it. It seems like people forgot what he could do with all the hype Rose and Westbrook are getting but when he’s on his game, there’s no one better.

    ________________________________________________
    Allenp Posted: Apr.18 at 9:48 am
    Chris Paul says thanks for keeping his seat warm Derrick Rose. I told y’all putting Rose above CP3 and DWillw as premature. Them two boys still got it, even if Rose is nipping at their heels.

    ________________________________________________
    Eboy Posted: Apr.18 at 10:03 am
    Derrick Rose had to “carry” his team over a 37 win team….a 37 win team that shouldn’t even be in the playoffs (according to various bloggers and writers that suckle on Bull balls). CP3 beat the 2 time defending champs, 3 in a row NBA Finalist and according to the same miscreant writers and bloggers, the favorites to win and destroy all in their path in the West. I think CP3 wins Round 1 here with a knockout.

    ________________________________________________
    This was BEFORE any Bulls fans even posted on here, so how the hell are WE the ones sh*tting on Paul and not everyone else sh*tting on Rose?

  • Scott

    When the MVP and all-NBA teams get announced this debate can start all over again!!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    My opinion of where Derrick Rose falls on the PG heirarchy hasn’t changed. But Paul leapfrogged DWill yesterday, I am now operating under the assumption that Chris Paul can do whatever he wants. ANd the absence of David West is being a little overblown, Carl Landry is just about equal except David West’s midrange game is >> that of Landry.

  • Feez22

    Rose had an awesome season. MVP and all of that… but in terms of running the point? i don’t think he is even top 3 at running the Point guard position (nash, paul, d-will, rondo). He is the best talent playing the PG though thats for sure. When talking about PG’s its so subjective. That is why a lot of people including myself would take paul to run the point. Rose’s understanding of the flex motion is limited(not totally his fault… he’s in his 1st yr in the offense and had to play in vinny’s crappy style/calipari’s crappy style), he doesn’t have a Pick & Roll game (which imo every PG should have), doesn’t see plays develop before they happen to the level of other pass 1st pg’s however he is the best talent playing the position. its odd. the pg position is odd. Its truly more about his Basketball I.Q. than anything. Point guards more than any other player on the court are measured by their basketball I.Q. Thats something rose will need 2 work on this offseason. He has a great work ethic… i’m sure he can get there. If he does, he would be even more unstoppable than he is now. that would be something. btw, this is NOT shi*ting on rose. this is presenting the truth. If you want me to tell a story on how rose is a more willing scorer than the rest of the PG’s than i will do that. What i said shouldn’t be seen as a slight to rose. Its the truth.

  • JTaylor21

    Everyone be on the lookout for Enigmatic to be playing a fictional character named “Mister Sensitive” in an upcoming Marvel comic series.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    AllBall, your boy’s the sh*t.
    I ain’t arguing that.
    I’m just not feeling the Rose hate-fest.
    And IAMORANGE4EVER, my comments weren’t showing up this weekend so I’m a little late on this…
    But you calling Melo a “WINNER” and then knocking Rose for never making it out the first round was one of the funniest sh*ts I ever read on here, considering how many years it took Melo to make it to round 2.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm……you need to read more. Or concentrate a bit harder. Also, speak on the content of my comment and not a stray observation. It’s not fun dealing with a used to be pampered fanbase. Your brethern are making your boy and his MVP status unlikable due to their coc*iness over a regular season accomplishment. Perhaps you’ll be known as the Chicago Cavaliers by the rest of the nation if sh*t doesn’t end well. Just saying. I mean damn, I wasn’t downtalking Derrick’s Game 1, your goofy fanbase (that comes here) is who the shot was meant for. Dude asked who’s performance was better? I answered. Sue me.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @feez, you’re right, and i respect that. its one thing to present an argument- and a good one at that- and its another thing to b*tch and moan whenever a fan talks about his/her favorite player.
    bottom line for me is, i’d take derrick all day every day over cp3.
    but the fact is, cp3 runs the point better, by “traditional” standards.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    That….sounds like the wackest comic book ever, JT. lol

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Eboy was answering a direct question, who had the better game, Rose or Paul.
    I did not mention Rose until “tha windy” did. I mentioned D Will.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And the Chicago Cavaliers thing may actually catch on if the Bulls do not make it to the EC Finals.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Enigmatic
    Did my comment really seem like an insult to Rose? I thought saying he was keepig the seat warm was alluding to the fact that quite a few people had him as the best in the league, and Paul’s game last night was like him saying “Sorry, that’s my spot.”
    Well, since I’ve long said that I firmly believe Paul and Williams are better than Rose, it’s not like I jumped on a chance to down him. Now, I can see you issue with JTaylor or AllBall, both of whom take the attention Rose receives as personal slights, but I thought my comment was in line with all my comments.
    Rose is number three behind the two vets. Once his floor game and defense improve some more, he should be able to pass them.

  • Feez22

    yup airs. thats all im trying to say here. besides, rose is only in his 3rd yr. he can only get better bball I.Q. wise and running the offense wise. I don’t know why some fans always combat me on this. Its almost getting to the kobe/lebron type of argument… hopefully it doesn’t. that argument was unbearable.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Fair enough, Eboy, AllBall.
    My bad, y’all for getting a lil too hyped this morning.
    Dealing with some real, non-SLAMOnline related sh*t.
    Forgot to check that sh*t at the door.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    It is amazing to me how people are down playing this as just a bad game by L.A.
    They did not play that bad, CP was that good. Kobe got it going for a while, and was more efficient than he might be again all play-offs. Yeah Chris Paul ripped Gasols heart out, but its not like that could not happen again. Monty should use Mbenga and his six fouls on Gasol.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    It’s really not that big of a deal.
    None of these players truly care what we think. They are not worried about this as they go about doing the awesome work they do. Hell, barring a lockout, I expect Deron to come back angry and focused next year since everybody is pretty much putting him at third on the list these days, and I know he won’t like that since he was BEASTING before the team turmoil, trade and injuries.
    Anyway, I love Rose. I’m always bragging on dude to my homeboy who is a staunch Dwill fan. But, I still think Dwill and Paul are better, for now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Enigmatic, I have been too hyped since last night, and I have no real issues right now. I am bordering (and have probably passed the border) of unbearable. That’s the play-offs for ya.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Enigmatic, I have been too hyped since last night, and I have no real issues right now. I am bordering (and have probably passed the border) of unbearable. That’s the play-offs for ya.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    To be honest, if the Heat blow tonight’s game with “Blinded Me With White Hot-ness” Wade running around seeing spots and sh*t, I might be ready to b*tch somebody out too, so it’s all good, Enig. This whole migraine issue is starting to give ME a headache.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    AllBall
    Nah, Gasol played like a BUM, and they Lakers weren’t even trying on defense.
    Seriously, they got outrebounded by like 18 by the freaking Hornets and the imposing front line of Jason Smith, Aaron Gray, Carl Landry and Okafor. None of those cats are great rebounders and there is no way the Lakers should get trounced on the glass by them the way they have annihalated other teams on the glass.
    The Lakers played very poorly, but hey, that ain’t the Hornets fault.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I tell you this though, I think I like watching Rose play more then Paul. Its really close though

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Lets hope Deron has fixed that wrist problem. Hate to see what he would do with a real injury like Paul’s.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, way to throw me under the bus. When did I ever hate on DRose? All I’ve been saying all along is that it’s annoying the way the media and fans are talking about him being the best PG and the most dominant since Magic, like what GP, CP, Stock, Nash, DWill accomplished never happened. Other than that, I love watching dude play.
    Enigmatic, that’s a real comic character. True story.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    What a coincidence.
    Migraines are just some of the sh*t I happen to be dealing with too.
    That dude is a f*cking beast for even trying to play through that, though.
    I owe you an apology too, Allen.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Me and you must have been watching a different game Allen. Kobe was feeling it, the crowd were INTO IT, but NOH weathered the storm. Pau was a bum, no doubt. Shannon Brown had his best game in months, seemingly. Fisher was shooting the ball well, albeit not often. The Lakers were going to the line on every possession at one point.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    You know, I have had two migraines in my life, both during practice, and could not see out of one eye (literally), yet people hate on Scottie for the “migraine game”. How he managed to step on the court is beyond me.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    JTaylor
    I wasn’t trying to throw you under the bus, just stating the obvious. You have made it your mission to combat all praise for Derrick Rose. I know this position because I once occupied it when it came to Steve Nash. While I occasionally dip my toe in those waters these days, I’ve learned to refrain from taking a long swim.
    AllBall
    Lakers came out playing like disinterested punks. You saw the clips of them trotting back on defense. Pau, the second best player on the team, and the one player the Hornets have NO answer for, played like he had a dinner date. Seriously, the last time the Lakers caught the Hornets, with West healthy, Pau put up one of the easiest 35 point games I’ve ever seen. Last night, he wasn’t even trying.
    There is no way the Hornet outrebound the CLakers by 18 if the Lakers are actually trying. No way.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    ALLBALL
    A wrist injury isn’t a real injury?
    Oh, I see. Despite the fact that point guards use their wrists more than any player on the court with all the dribbling, passing and shooting they do, have TWO bad wrists isn’t a “real” injury…
    Paul blew out his knee. It was terrible. Doesn’t make it more real. That’s an asinine comment.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    As a Bulls fan (duh), I do have to say all the hyperbole thrown at Rose is kind of baffling.
    You can say he’s been the best player this year, or could argue that he’s the best point guard, or the MVP.
    You may or may not agree with that, but the point is it’s debatable.
    But “best PG since Magic” or “has surpassed Kobe and LeBron as the best player in the league” is taking it too far.
    Makes me wonder if those in the media that are Rose supporters are just trying to yell over the voices of those that are not (like Hollinger and Bayless’ b*tch a**es).
    JTaylor, you do like to take shots at Rose, and then back off with statements like “but I love Rose!”
    AllBall, first time I had one I was scared as hell cause it looked like a damn bolt of lighting kept flashing in my left eye!
    LOL I told my co-worker “I think I’m going blind!”
    LMAO

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    We will see if it was an anomaly in game 2. I think not, and believe the Hornets will at least make it a game.
    Why you argue with me about this kind of thing related to Deron is beyond me. You think he is almost as good as Paul, I think its not close. Him being vastly over rated by people makes me under rate him.
    Now, if you are asking me which injury is more “real”, the blown out knee with out doubt. Come on now, there is a chance he may never be as quick and explosive as he was.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    HA! What’s funny is it was EXACTLY the same with me. Playing in practice, left eye has that same feeling, I think its the lights or something else. I get to the other gym about 30 minutes later to put shots up and I have to sit down or fall over, and end up stumbling home (I lived round the corner).

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, fair enough.
    Call me stupid but I think the hornets can really beat the lakers if CP continues his stellar play. I understand that Gasol isn’t going to struggle like that every game and that Odom will step his game up but who do the lakers have to slow down CP? As long as CP stays aggressive and doesn’t revert back to his late season form of passing up shots, NO has a good chance at pulling the upset.
    Now would I bet my house on it? Hell no but that’s beyond the point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Deron Williams and Chris Paul are just about even. I’ve never heard someone talk about Williams and think, “he overrates him.” Deron Williams is perpetually underrated IMO, first because of Paul’s first 3 seasons, then because of Derrick Rose’s surge, and then the trade. Williams averaged 12APG in NEW JERSEY. Who overrates him? and how is he overrated?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and please do not bring up shooting % immediately after you finish talking about a wrist injury. just put 2 and 2 together.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    derrick does get a lot of hype, but i don’t think it’s any of the fans faults for saying they love his game. and yeah calling people “derrick rose’s bottom broads” or saying we bathe in rose petals, i think that’s enough to call you a bonafide hater, jtaylor.
    hell, we didn’t say he was the next magic or better than any of those guys, ESPN did.
    …well maybe bull22 might’ve pulled something along those lines but still.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    No D. Will in the playoffs sucks.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^^ STUPID

  • Fat Lever

    Guys, guys, let’s see if Aaron Gray is going to be ok before determining whether CP3 or Rose is better. He was the key to making Paul look great out there.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    The media loves to sensationalize.
    Next year whoever the MVP is will be “the best player since Michael Jordan” or whatever.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Statistically, CP is superior. Best seasons, and career averages. You having them “even” means nothing. Statistics tell us different. CP has finished 2nd in MVP voting twice, has Deron ever been top 5? CP has been an all star 4 times to Derons 2, has been all nba and all defense more than Deron.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    aaron gray was KILLIN it. felt so bad, right as he was about to peek his head out of obscurity he got injured. tsk.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Aaron Gray has actually been pretty good the last 3rd of the season.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Not having D Will in the playoffs is stupid, or I’m stupid, LakeShow?
    Not following…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Like I said already in this section, Paul re-leapfrogged Deron for BPGITW yesterday and like I said they are “about even” – You using statistics from years ago when Paul wasn’t the player he is today is completely, 100%, irrelevant. All Star births, irrelevant. Anything that happened pre-knee injury is irrelevant. Paul isn’t the same player, he would even admit that. So still, Deron Williams and Chris Paul TODAY are about even.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And, before CP got injured, he was unanimously better than Deron. Suddenly when he is not playing Deron passes him?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    The only reason I even posted a comment was to respond to AllBall calling me, Enigmatic, and BC out. I’m not even fazed by jtaylor talking trash because I’ve come to learn that that dude hates everything. And you know what they say about if you don’t like yourself….

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Oh damn, I hadn’t even seen that, D.
    See, AllBall, you did turn this into a “F Rose” thing after all.
    But I’m past it now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    To you, he re-leapfrogged him. To any one that is not a know-it-all, superior head, it was clear he was better than Deron before last night.
    Ok, so using just this season, which is post injury, in which Deron played only 65 games and was traded mid way through the season, and is not in the play-offs, they are even?
    How can you possibly brush off a whole career because of injury. He looked pretty great last night right? His play-off stats (which surely you will brush off) are the best ever for a PG!
    Fix up bk.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I did not turn it into anything. It already was that.

  • JTaylor21

    No, enlighten us Aristotle.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    When people aren’t playing because of injury that will affect their career from that point forward? yes All Ball when he got injured Williams passed him. You can look at raw statistics if you really want, then i’ll bring up Utah’s record, Darren Collison’s statistics, and we’ll be right back at square 1. Its like the Brandon Roy v Joe Johnson debate, Roy was arguably better before that last knee injury at the end of last year, but after the injury? Johnson had taken Roy’s spot in the SG hierarchy. The difference being that Roy’s injury put him back 20 spots, while Paul’s put him back 1 and only temporarily, IMO.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And yet, I cant use derons bad percentage because of injury. So he will have no problems with his wrists in future? Or is Deron going to struggle shooting like he did at the end of the year for the rest of his career?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Sorry Enig, Slam is a little slow today that comment should have been right under where JTaylor said “Call me stupid but I think the hornets can really beat the lakers if CP continues his stellar play.” lol

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So Derons injury will affect his career from this point forward too. You know, if we are being consistent.
    CP didn’t seem too hampered last night btw.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Amare is beastin again hah’ in his own right. DHoward proved why there should be the first ever three(maybe 4)-way MVP, DRose, Amare/LeBron, DHoward. Deron Williams is gross/nasty/sick, 6’5 pg with the stroke of Sugar Ray. But I didn’t start watchin basketball yesterday, so he’s not quite on par with CP3 YET, neither is DRose, or RWestbrook, who is a little bit of BDiddy throwd up/screwed. And Rondo got that throne before any of these baby faced thrillas. FREE DEMARCUS COUSINS!

  • ThaWindy

    @zoom
    Wall is fast and the more time he has in this league he will learn how to use his speed to his advantage. Rose is fast and quick which gives him the edge over Wall and everybody else. Not everyone has both. You see the speed going frm end to end. You see the qucikness when he just runs pass his defenders like their feet are in sand.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    how am I the know-it-all when your on here talking about how Deron Williams is overrated, and Paul is “clearly” better. You wanna explain your thoughts? you gonna use stats, playoff stat, any kind of stats pre-injury to make your case? Paul hasn’t been to the playoffs since his injury, so ofcourse I don’t care about his playoff stats. But for the sake of it, lets look at the most recent playoffs that Paul played in v Williams in the same year. Paul 16.6PPG 10.4APG 4.4RPG 4.8TOPG compared to Williams 20.2PPG 10.8APG 3.8RPG 4.2TOPG. That was pre-injury, so please explain how Paul was “clearly” better?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Howard PROVED why he should be MVP by losing game 1?
    The f*ck???

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Injuries make you stronger kinfolk, and ya’ll forgot Tony Parker, yeah that guy is ok too… The trick is too get MF surgery on the knee(s)/ANKLES whicheva, then come back like 33 (G.HILL) I know dem boyz using stem cells (HGH) on their kneeS, cause they coming back better… CP3, Amare, BRoy, GIL…somebody help Oden. OFMG. cRACKhEAD

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Deron Williams injury should no affect him the rest of his career. It is something that should heal. Even if he had surgery and screws put in his wrist he should get back to 100%. I got a boy who had his wrist fused, and he just put up 24PPG and shot 40+% from 3 in college, it took him about a year to get back to 100%.

  • JTaylor21

    Just when it looked like I had put out one fire here pops up another. Emotionally unstable laker fans listen up; no one is saying that the hornets are going to beat LA, all I’m saying is that if, which is a big if, CP continues to play at such a high level, I can see NO upsetting them.
    Let’s remember that he pushed a very good Spurs to a GM 7 doing the exact same thing.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So the last year before the injury is relevant, but his over all play off statistics are not? He is the only guy in the history of the L to average 20/10 for the play-offs. Yet you want to pick that one series?
    It is clearly useless debating you. You began today saying that Paul had leapfrogged him and could do whatever he wants. Now they are about even.

  • ThaWindy

    CP3 might be the better pg. But Rose>CP3. Like Ray Allen is a better SG than Kobe but Kobe>Ray.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And lets be clear AllBall, your arguing that Paul is “clearly” better then Deron Williams. NOt that he’s better, but that its clear to everyone. Which doesn’t make not a damn bit of sense especially if you look at what they were doing this season before the trade to New Jersey (using the stats that you value so much in this argument) – Paul 15.9PPG 9.8APG 4.1RPG 2.2TO 2.4STL to Williams 21.3PPG 9.7APG 3.9RPG 3.5TO 1.2STL. Where is the clarity?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    If Boozer has another sh*tty game, I hope Thibs goes with Taj as the starter from here on out…

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    AllBall/nbk – aren’t you both Hollinger fanboys?
    So this argument should be easy to settle.
    Who has the highest PER?
    There.
    Just messing with y’all…

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Yet Deron is sitting at home right now, and CP just put up one of the best opening games ever. It should be clear to everyone Paul is better, and it does not need to be a wide margin for it to be clear. Although it is wide enough.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LOL! I just checked. Chris Paul is 6th to Derons 20th. Argument settled!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Enigmatic, I know you can count. Playoff career-high 46 points and 19 rebounds.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I showed that series to humor you, because you said QUOTE “You think he is almost as good as Paul, I think its not close. Him being vastly over rated by people makes me under rate him.” “His play-off stats (which surely you will brush off) are the best ever for a PG!” – Best ever? He has played in what 18 career playoff games and your gonna boast that he’s the best PG the playoffs have ever seen? And i’m the on that’s useless to debate with? Isiah Thomas 20PPG 8.9APG 4.7RPG in the Playoffs (111 Career Playoff Games) – Magic Johnson 19.5PPG 12.3APG 7.7RPG. (190 Career Playoff Games)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    ThaWindy Posted: Apr.18 at 3:21 pm
    CP3 might be the better pg. But Rose>CP3. Like Ray Allen is a better SG than Kobe but Kobe>Ray. bOO THIS MAN! BOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    After 18 play-off games, statistically he is the best pg ever. Every time I said it, I said statistically. How is that hard to under stand? And hey, he didn’t hurt those stats last night, did he?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall Posted: Apr.18 at 3:25 pm
    “Yet Deron is sitting at home right now, and CP just put up one of the best opening games ever. It should be clear to everyone Paul is better, and it does not need to be a wide margin for it to be clear. Although it is wide enough” – SO your one of those people that judges a player based on where they are when the season ends? not even caring that Utah had a better record then New Orleans when Williams got traded. Or that he only played TWELVE (12) TWELVE games in a New Jersey Uniform. smh

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Magic Johson is clearly a better PG in teh playoffs then Paul. CLEARLY. its not even debatable, the fact that I just showed them to you and you are still ignoring them is all I need to know to just ignore you and your hometown stupidity. I mean bias.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    There is an article on NBA.COM (in the archives some where) that said as much. From a couple years back, it said, at this stage, he is the best pg in play-off history, compared to others career play-off stats that was.
    BUT, let me guess, you know more than the NBA guys, just like you no more than Westbrook, and your knowledge is comparable to Pop and the Van Gundys etc.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I think anyone that thinks there is a way on God’s green earth that the Lakers don’t come away winners of this series needs to re-check what sport they are watching. You know what wins playoff basketball? Lakers have it, Hornets don’t.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    once again Utah had a better record then New Orleans when Deron Williams was traded.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So he only played 12 games with them, yet his 12 assists per are AMAZING? Right? “smh”.
    Magic Johnson is clearly a better pg in the play-offs than Chris Paul, when did i say different. I said statistically. Chris Paul has not gone further than the WC Semis. Magic is, too me, the best PG ever, and I have been studying feverishly lately. Isiah is not miles behind, how ever.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Utah have more talent than NO! They still have an over all bigger talent level now! Only Indiana has less talent than New Orleans. Right now, with out D West, Indiana may have more over all talent.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Find that article. And stop misquoting what I say to try and prove your point. Its called a fallacy and your the one that it reflects poorly on not me. WHat I said about Westbrook was clear when I said it, no need for you to irrelevantly bring it up along with your rogue article written by some unnamed source who works for the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Only Indiana out of play-off teams*

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Great basketball last night.
    Refreshing.

  • JTaylor21

    AllBall, you tell em. I’ve been saying this for the longest; in terms of rank in history, Zeke and Magic are closer than people think and I could make the case for Zeke being the better player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall – prove what your trying to prove, how is it clear that Paul is better then Williams. HOw is it CLEAR? Are you arguing who has had a better career? or who is a better player (clearly a better player)? And statistically he’s the best PG in playoff history because of what? his PER? He has only played on teams that rely on him 100% so duh his production will/should reflect that. But it still doesn’t prove he’s “clearly” better then a guy with almost equivalent stats at this stage in their careers, who has been just as far in the playoffs. Your just arguing in circles trying to bring irrelevant insults into the mix like that changes anything. Paul > (barely) Williams > Rose. That’s what i’ve been saying all along, no matter how angry that makes you its how a lot of people feel, and you haven’t presented one logical argument to make me even consider changing my stance. its close, very close, between the two.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, prove what point? It is only me and you talking here, to me it is clear CP is better. You have him better your self. To me, it is also clear you are a know it all. Just type in cp best pg ever on google, thats what I typed in and thats how I found it.
    Jtaylor, I don’t think it is a big gap, but I think Magic could do more and was more effective because of his height.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    NBK is right.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol! You would not change your stance regardless. Lets be real. Whatever, I know what I saw this year, watching them both. I also know what I saw last night. Has D Will ever had a game THAT great in the play-offs? You really do not know as much as you think.

  • Scott

    Deron Williams is not better then Derrick Rose.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    just curious; where do you guys have GP in the best PG ever discussion?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Well thanks for that great in put Lz. A known D Will fan.
    Anyway, nbk, I am done with this for today. Although you are annoying, and a know it all, I respect your opinion, although I disagree.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    HAHAHAHAHAHA that article was written after 7 career playoff games. 7, when he averaged 24 and 12. gtfoh bringing up an article that is older then Derrick Rose’s career.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Depends. I actually think the Big O could be ranked as a 1. From what I have watched with him on the Bucks he brought the ball up a LOT, although often he just threw it ahead to defuse pressure.

  • ThaWindy

    LOL@Mars.
    You don’t agree?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    AllBall, my input was about as valuable as many of your posts repeating themselves over and over again. Like my initial comment on this tread clearly stated, I also feel Paul is better than Deron. But just not by the same ‘huge’ margin you think to believe.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Did I call myself a know it all? I am more then willing to admit when I’m wrong, more then willing. And Williams went for 33 and 14 against Denver in game 2 last year. It wasn’t as dominant as Paul last night, but it was a great game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    His current stats are 22.5/11/5. Not that dissimilar from 24/12.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall I feel that your a complete douchebag. And I don’t respect your opinion of me, or Chris Paul, one bit. Since we are being honest.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Lz, what ever, man. At least you have it ranked the right way now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LOL! At least your honest. I realised I was getting too riled up over the Internet.

  • JTaylor21

    I say GP comes in 6th or 7th after Zeke, Magic, Big O, Kidd and Stock.

  • Scott

    JTaylor what about Cousy and Frazier?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Like i’ve said to you in the past, I enjoy your opinion about anything that doesn’t have to do with New Orleans, (or apparently myself). Your bias is just to strong for me to deal with, I can’t do it, I get all worked up and thats the last thing I’m tryin to do when I’m talkin about basketball this place supposed to be my outlet from the frustrations of work not the source lol

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Oh, brethren.
    Also, when you have a 35 year old point guard who has been past his prime for a while now defending a future Hall of Famer who is just entering his prime, things can appear to be exaggerated.
    Not saying that Paul isn’t the best pg in The League, (even though he isn’t this year) but remember;
    Derek Fisher is guarding him, my brethren.
    Derek Fisher.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Thanks. I have a strong bias, that I can’t deny. I feel the same, I come on to have a logical debate, read a few comments I should ignore, next thing I know Chris Paul is number one on the all time list and I am insulting people.

  • CP3NOLA

    KILLA BEES IS SWARMING. though lakers in 6, cant say otherwise.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I am glad the Hornets don’t play again until Wednesday. I can leave the heated debates tomorrow to Eboy/Diesel/Matic/airs and any other Heat/Bulls fans I missed out. Oh yeah BC too.

  • Bruno

    growing up watchin GP play … that was a guard dominating in both ends, my favorite player all time

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    What are you trying to say about Derek Philo? jk ma man lol. We should all give credit to Fish for the effort tho. Dude wants to D up so hard on him but his body, His boooooodeeeey, is telling him noooahaoooo. That was bad sorry fellas.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Derek Fisher couldn’t guard Chris Paul if he was 21 and high on crack.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    There shouldn’t be any reason for Heat fans and Bulls fans to argue with each other on tomorrow’s TPU.
    It’ll be more like Heat fans vs. Heat haters and Bulls fans vs. Bulls haters.
    Though most Heat fans are Bulls haters and vice versa, so I suppose you do have a point. lol

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    How do the Knicks not feed Stoudemire with the game on the line?! Melo played horribly last night–he’s a great player but that’s just unacceptable. And he had some boneheaded turnovers too in crunchtime and took some ridiculously tough jumpers when he should have driven or passed…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wait Derek 21 and high on crack or Paul lol??

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    lol, I did not mean with each other, although you have a point! If one of the teams lose, then it could be a problem.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, Denver is one of the coolest teams to watch. Their team basketball is so fun and they’re pretty much 12 deep right now. Also, Nene is an absolute beast, probably the best center in the NBA right now after Dwight Howard.
    I think the Nuggets have to play Felton and Chandler more than they already are–I like Lawson but Felton’s a little more savvy at running the offense than he is at this point.
    The refs f*cked Denver over last night.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Although this weekend has been some of the best basketball action we’ve seen in a long time, the refs have been downright dreadful. They cost Indiana and Portland and Denver their games, and made some pretty sh!tty calls against the Knicks in Boston.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Mars, it still don’t matter.
    The Magic lost.

  • tRay

    My main man Zach Randolph AKA Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle was beasting yesterday!

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I fail to see how the refs cost Indiana the game.
    I think Derrick Rose going the hell off cost Indiana the game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The decision in the OKC game may have cost Denver the game. Now, I think Rose got fouled on all but one of those calls. There was one where Roy H jumped straight up, which by the letter of the law is a no call.
    The referees in the Hornet game were bad at one point, seemingly sending the Lakers to the line on every possession near the end of the 3rd quarter.
    It was not a great week end in terms of officiating, but we can all agree it was a phenomenal weekend of basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Does anyone know a way to watch NBA playoffs games 4 free on the internet? (I’m in the U.K with no money 4 leaguepass after spending all my TV money on Sky/ESPN-ESPNAMERICA).

  • tRay

    @Fresh I think you can watch them on NBA.com not sure though but worth a shot.

  • JTaylor21

    Cousy couldn’t shoot if his life depended on it and GP’s prime was longer than Walt’s though it’s really close between them. Walt’s 7th and Cousy is on the other side looking in at 11th.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    The refs didn’t cost Indiana the game. Rose was aggressive to the hoop and got the calls. If anything they could have called more fouls on Indiana. I saw you say that yesterday teddy and wanted to call you out for not watching the game. If you did, you may have had a problem with 1 or 2 of the calls, but there’s no way you could think he was getting favorable calls the whole game. Rose was just beating his guy every time.
    I don’t understand why people always think the free throw attempts should be somewhat equal between both teams. The Bulls aren’t a great outside shooting team so they score a lot of their points in the paint or driving to the hoop. Indiana is a 3 point & jump shooting team. Even their bigs are shooting jumpers. Of course the fouls won’t be equal.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Boozer was in foul trouble all game by the way too. if the refs are trying to help the Bulls win why would they limit their 2nd highest scorer?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    For some one that has never been to an NBA game live, NBA.com’s courtside cam is fascinating.
    You have Evan Turner playing 1 v 1 with a ball boy, and Darius Songiala doing wind sprints. I didn’t know he was on an NBA roster.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Co-sign Diesel.
    Also, while most Bulls fans hate it, I’m loving the Chicago/Indiana start time.
    It starts at 5:30 over here, instead of at 3 or 4 like normal when I’m still at work.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Also, Indiana REALLY can’t complain about Rose getting all those calls when their defensive game plan was to foul Rose hard everytime he attacked the rim.

  • ThaWindy

    Man just watch the Bulls vs Pacers replay on nba.com tv. Rose really was killing them dude. Danny Granger b*tch a** making the excuse of the refs after the game too. I hate that sh*t! DG should have said I had many chances at the end of the game to put my team up but I missed. Not Rose going to the line. Blame ya dumb a** coach for not calling time out after Rose scored five straight points to tie the game. Pacers played great ball but lost because of inexperience and DG couldnt come through. Yall gone home anyway!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Nsam, if you are willing to stay up, there are streaming sites that likely show the games. http://www.veetle.com show high quality games.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Point guard list of the top of my head.
    Magic
    Oscar
    Isiah
    Stockton
    Frazier
    ARchibald
    Kidd
    Payton
    Nash
    I am forgetting someone really good, but I can’t think who.
    Right now
    Paul
    Deron
    Rose
    Westbrook
    Rondo
    Billups
    Nash
    the rest

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Maravich

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I need to brag to someone, soooo @Enigmatic – just got handed 2 tickets to the bulls game by my boss. He can’t go and I’m the only other guy here. Sometimes dumb luck pays off.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    AP, I like the Nash twice. Undeserved like both MVP’s.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel ftw (monday style)

  • FoCo

    Duplicate comment my ass…stupid website. Back to phone posting I guess.
    Two things proved out yesterday Chris Paul is the clear cut #1

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Thx, Allenp and everybody else who answered the question. Bruno couldn’t agree more. GP is tied with MJ as my all-time favorite player (and since MJ is MJ, GP kind of gets the nod). Allenp’s list look about right although I never watched much of of O, Tiny and Walt (before my bball watching time started). I am probably biased as hell, but I always felt GP was underrated because he truly was the greatest defensive PG ever, and D should account for 50% player evaluation imo (sadly never does). Allenp the guy you forgot was prime Kevin Johnson.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Nice, Diesel!
    Nice.
    I remember I won four tickets to a Bulls game one time from bulls.com
    I was hyped as hell…but was stationed on Okinawa at the time.
    LOL so I had them send the tickets to my older brother, and he, his fiance, my baby bro and my brother-in-law got to watch Ben Gordon hit a game winner (this was in like 2004) in overtime what was probably the best Bulls game of that season.

  • FoCo

    …PG in the league. As for Melo he is who I thought he was. Believe I said on this very website a week or two ago that when the playoffs started we would be seeing these kind of stat lines out of him.
    Also George Karl…have the team shoot free throws in practice today while you try and draw up the first good inbounds play of your career.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Magic Oscar Isiah Stockton Archibald Frasier Maravich (I consider him a PG) Kidd Payton Nash KJ Paul Williams

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I can’t make an unbiased list of top PGs.
    I despise Zeke too much. Despite him being from Chicago.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    @ThaWindy: I’ve watched Wall since he was in HS. Don’t let fact that he’s been injured all season fool you. Trust me, when he’s healthy he’s slightly quicker and faster.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    “my comments weren’t showing up this weekend” I understand Enigmatic, it must have been a fluke. smh

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Sigh.
    Can’t wait till the Knicks are bounced.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Enigmatic: Relax, it’s gonna be a while.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I know.
    Another week or two.
    Hey, enjoy it while it lasts though!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    good stuff diesel!
    im going to the blackhawks game tomorrow….!!!
    probably gonna lose, but hey, free rally towel right?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’ve defended Daryl Morey for a long time, but firing Adelman is probably the worst decision he’s ever made. Morey is a buffoon. I’d rather keep Adelman than HIM…

  • WTF Is Up

    No love for the Grizz in the comments? SMH!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Diesel: I saw the entire game (I missed about half of the first quarter though), and there is no way Rose gets 21 free-throws no matter how aggressive he was. At least call the game evenly; the Pacers had several plays down in the post that could have been fouls, but nothing was called. Rose got the call every time.
    Whatever though, let’s just enjoy game 2!!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Earvin Johnson is the greatest player who’s ever lived. He changed the way the game is played like no other player in the History of the Game.
    It didn’t matter if he could not guard people. It didn’t matter that he didn’t have a 40″ vertical leap.
    The thing is, before him, the only player who could do with the ball what Earvin could do was Bob Cousy. Now, most guys we see 7’0″ think that they can break guys off the dribble, pass like… MAGIC, and do everything else that a big man is supposed to do at the same time.
    Only Earvin combined all of those things, along with the renowned body control…
    There may be players who are as good as Johnson, but there are none better. And, this is taking away all the achievements, the accolades. This is basketball skill for basketball skill.
    At his size. Unprecedented until the following generation grew up.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Another great game between the Pacers and the Bulls. Rose had significantly fewer free-throws, which makes sense because 21 is ridiculous, but still played a heck of a game. Rose literally IS the Chicago Bulls right now… If Rose ever has an off-night (which I highly doubt will happen this series) the Pacers might end up blowing the Bulls out.
    IMO the Bulls are highly overrated as a team. Nobody aside from Derrick Rose is stepping up. Well, except Korver in the final minute, but yeah.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    17 and 16 from Boozer is a good look, though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Word up 2 what The Philosopher Posted: Apr.19 at 12:22 am Magic not MJ…..With Colli out, and going back to Indiana, it’s probably gonna end in 6. DRose getting the vet calls now so it’s pretty much in the bag. Miami playing pickup games with Philly. I feel for my boy A.I. but it makes you appreciate what A.I. the Answer did for Philly when he was there. Im out like Tiger Woods’ niece Cheyenne Woods. Lookout for the Vapors.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    @Allenp His name is Bob Cousy, and he should be like 2nd or 3rd on your list. Just saying. And you purposely put Westbrook below Rose. Hater. lol

  • BostonBaller

    CP3 & DRose both had monster games so let’s leave it at that and enjoy the festivities. lol. I wasn’t going to comment on PDouble but how can you say he can’t guard Melo? If he can slow LBJ and others down he can do the same w/ Melo. Yes, he has help down low but that’s what “help defense” is there for. Stop hating on his game and nit picking..I agree w/ AllenP about his mid range and total game. Check out the Philosopher going w/ The Magic Man…I didn’t know you were old enough to have seen him. lol just kidding.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Mars
    I left Cousy off on purpose. He shot sub-40 percent for his entire career despite taking 18 shots per game. Think about that. People are mad at Derrick Rose for shooting 43 percent on 20 shots and Cousy was shooting 38 percent on 18 shots.
    And Rose is better than Westbrook. I’ve said that for three years.

  • Luv_KG

    Boston Celtics all the way!

  • Rikson

    Just for the record: paul didn’t have a great game… It was phenomenal! I can only imagine how rose-lovers would talk after rose had a game like this! This was probably the best game of a pg in the offseason I’ve ever seen (watch since 94)!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Someone tell Rondo he’s wayy better than Kenny Satterfield…whoa. throwback

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