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Monday, April 4th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  164 responses

Post Up: Look Out Below

Nuggets hang on to beat Lakers; Knicks clinch Playoff spot.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

San Antonio 114, Phoenix 95

After a six-game streak of losses that had the Spurs looking like they barely deserved a Playoff spot to begin with—let alone, you know, the No. 1 seed—San Antonio finally bounced back, dominating the weak Suns’ D by dropping 114 points on it. Phoenix was sans Steve Nash, who was back in Phoenix with the flu, and the Spurs took full advantage, gaining control from the jump and having their way all game. George Hill boosted the Spurs in the first half with 24 points (29 total), while the squad’s bench was strong enough that every San Antonio starter was able play under 29 minutes, with Tim Duncan only needing to log 18 minutes of action in the win.

Denver 95, L.A. Lakers 90

A close one, the Nuggets held on down the stretch behind some strong defense from Wilson Chandler (who D’ed up Kobe), and a powerful put-back from Kenyon Martin, which all but sealed it. Bryant led all scorers with 28, but Denver no longer functions with a superstar that’d be expected to top that, so their four guys in double figures and their ability to shoot more efficiently than the Lakers from the floor and from three-point land will do.

Sacramento 106, Utah 97

The Jazz have slowly faded out of the picture in the West, a fade made official by this terrible loss to the lowly Kings. Tyreke Evans, who’s been a little too quiet this season, provided 24 points and 10 dimes, while Paul Millsap led Utah with 21.

Boston 101, Detroit 90

The Celtics, attempting to get their act together after a rough couple of weeks, took down the Pistons behind 45 combined points from Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. They shot 64.1 percent from the floor in the victory. Shaq attempted to play for the first time in a long while, and after five and a half long minutes on the court, he left with a strained calf muscle. Oof. Can the big man stay on the court for an extended Playoff run?

Miami 108, New Jersey 94

Behind LeBron’s 31, the Heat strolled by the Nets at The Rock. Erick Dampier put up an impressive 10-point, 14-rebound effort, and if you were wondering where those boards came from, a decent place to look might be Brook Lopez’s 16-3-3 stat line.

Toronto 102, Orlando 98

The Raptors ended a six-game slide, defeating the Magic in Toronto. Dwight Howard played just fine (31 points, 9 rebounds), but I’m going to go ahead and use this space to say that if he’s MVP, which many have been arguing for, shouldn’t his team be a little better than this? They’re now at fourth in the East, eight and a half games behind the conference-leading Bulls. I’m just sayin’. Seems kinda low.

New York 123, Cleveland 107

The Knicks were able to accomplish something they haven’t pulled off in a long time. Yep, they finally Cavs. Oh, and they clinched a spot in the Playoffs, too. Amar’e Stoudemire scored 28, Carmelo Anthony put in 25 and Chauncey Billups added 23 as NYK earned a spot in the postseason for the first time since 2004. They were officially able to do so, though, because the Bobcats…

Washington 97, Charlotte 91

…lost to the Wizards. Andray Blatche beasted for 25 and 17, and Jordan Crawford dropped 23, as the Wiz earned another rare road victory in Charlotte. The ‘Cats can still technically make the Playoffs, but they’ll need to be rooting heavily against the Pacers, who are now up two games on ‘em, because they…

New Orleans 108, Indiana 96

…lost to the Hornets. (OK, I’m done with that.) Emeka Okafor scored 14 and grabbed 17, and Trevor Ariza dropped the game-high of 19 points.

Houston 114, Atlanta 109

Kevin Martin’s 35 points led the Rockets over Atlanta, but Houston still sits three games behind Memphis, which will make a Playoff run pretty damn difficult, at this point. They host Sacramento tomorrow night, when they’ll try to continue this one last push towards a chance at the postseason.

Portland 104, Dallas 96

This could be potential 3-6 matchup out West, and something tells me Portland wouldn’t be too mad at that, at least judging by what we saw last night. The Blazers were led by Gerald Wallace (19 points, 8-10 from the field, 8 rebounds) and LaMarcus Aldridge (18 points, 8 rebounds), while Shawn Marion led his group with 19.

Last Call: Delonte West does some Delonte West stuff:

(H/T: @Jose3030)

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Sasha Vujacic was actually guarding LeBron for some stretches, but LeBron is so good, it’s unbelievable to watch. It feels like he’s shooting 60% every game now. Especially the 1st half was amazing from him.

  • JTaylor21

    No pain, no pain!!!

  • Morgan

    Shaqs Injury issues must be a major red flag for the C’s now that they have traded Perk. I can’t see a single player on their roster that can slow/stop Dwight – although the way the Magic are playing will they even get that far…can not wait for the Playoffs

  • max

    If I were Dallas, Id definently want the Hornets to overtake Portland and if I were the lakers Id want standings to stay this way and not face Portland or Memphis in the first round.

  • Bruno

    cosign Max

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Spurs now have a 2.5 game lead on the Lakers for the West #1 seed. That’s huge when I look at both the Lakers and Spurs remaining schedules. Basically their game at Staples Center on April 12th won’t even matter.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Royal

    Good win by Denver…..their success is really not a good look for Melo

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Royal: Yeah because Denver didn’t get any quality players back in exchange for Carmelo Anthony, yet they are getting better. This was just like LeBron leaving Cleveland for nothing. lmao

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Royal

    Where in my post did I say it was like cav situation? Melo is a superstar player, it is never a good look when a superstar leaves a team and then the team he left gets better…When Shaquille left the lakers they got worse even though the got back two good players in Lamar and Caron..the T-Wolves became the L-wolves after K.G was traded…but when Melo gets trade the nuggets as a team improved? Like I said bro, not a good look for Melo

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @Orange, I’m not sure if your response is sarcasm. ‘Melo is a great player, but he’s essentially a one-dimensional ball stopper, and his absence changed the entire dynamic of the Denver team. The ball movement, and effort level on defense are night and day.

  • Feez22

    @Jahmai in the last 6 games lebron has been scoring 31ppg on 62% from the field. He also went for 28pts on 58% in the month of march making it his best scoring/efficiency month of his career. yet… rose was the player of the month for march. Now i know you are a dedicated bulls and rose fan. But… rose shot 41.6% from the field last month… his worst shooting month so far for his entire 3 year career… yet he won player of the month. Am i missing something here or what?

  • T-Money

    you know, i’m starting to wonder if critics who still say that bron refuses to go to the block actually watch heat games.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    @Feez: adidas is paying big bucks to get drose the mvp award. the three stripes want(s) to have their puppet too yknow

  • samo

    why no mention of kobe’s god awful shooting night and limited non scoring stat production.idk how ppl say he should be mvp, he’s shot the lakers out of so many games (not just this yr)

  • Feez22

    & with melo look… clearly melo doesn’t get the best out of his teammates. How could he? he isn’t a playmaker. When i talk about playmaking i am talking about making plays for your open teammates to get looks. with melo being an isolation player who when dead set will jack the shot up (which is 80-90% of the time) he isn’t play making for the team. he aint a lebron in terms of playmaking… heck he isn’t on the level of kobe playmaking wise. Thats why the nuggets haven’t missed a beat. imo J.R. smith of all people (shot jacking king) is more of a playmaker than melo. melo is strictly ft line extended/ baseline isolation with a million jabsteps and a mix of bully ball in the post. Thats how he always has been… even since oak hill. Not to mention melo’s sorry excuse for defense. He is a good rebounder which is odd because if you can give that much effort into rebounding you would think you could give even more defending your man. The nuggets are winning because they are finally getting multiple passes and movement in their offense. hard to get that when you have a 44-46% scorer in melo who doesn’t playmake (Ya he used to be a 49% scorer in 08 but has been around 45% the last 2 yrs).

  • Feez22

    @everything ya i guess you’re right. i gotta admit tho… that adidas commercial with messi/rose and the rest of the adidas crew is pretty sick lol.

  • MookieBlaylock

    I dont think anyone can argue that the nuggets are a better team than the knicks right now. A better team, playing better basketball since their all star got traded. And The knicks sinking since melo arrived. ha ha.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @feez & everything – it probably had something to do with the Heat going 8 & 7 from Feb 27th till March 29th. When you’re team is .500 for the month, none of your players are going to get player of the month considerations.

  • MUBWAR

    Lebron so freaking efficient this year. But i understand that all the writers and media are punishing him for the decision.

  • monkeyball

    The Nuggets are playing great basketball. But in the NBA you need superstars to win. So the Knicks have a future, and the Nuggets don’t.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Just a thought…Memphis won’t be this good come playoff time because they lack experience, believe that.

  • Feez22

    @Diesel Ya thats probably so. the heat did lose a ton of games in that span. then again, how do you win EC Player of the month shooting 41%… is there no one else deserving? i guess not. Magic/Heat/Celtics have been losing, hawks have been blown out twice by 30, the knicks sucked in march and philly/indiana really don’t have a Player of the month award kind of player… Stars are alligning perfectly for rose to snatch up that MVP.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    ..and if the Spurs becomes completely healthy come playoff time. They’re the darkhorse in the West (eventhough they’re the No. 1 seed, strange, no?). In the East though, Miami will be creepin’ unnoticed since everyone’s been eyeing Da Bulls.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Ex-Knicks are clearly making the Nuggets better. Only a moron wouldn’t recognize this. The Nuggets made out better than most of the “experts” figured at first. Still, I don’t envision all those ex-Knicks re-signing in Denver.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @feez, plus, bulls have won like 16 of their last 18. everybody talks about how great kobe and the lakers have been the 2nd half of the season.
    bulls are right there with them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @feez22, I actually metioned LeBron’s shooting numbers myself on the Post Up a couple of days ago and how amazing they are and I’m aware of Rose’s numbers too yeah, :P Still thinks he deserves MVP for what he’s done this season.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    “Ex-Knicks are clearly making the Nuggets better” Well duh….

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    i think the heat’s win-loss record is due to the fact that this team was practically formed with entirely new pieces that have never played before. the bulls’ core on the other hand have been intact for at least 3 years now since rose’s rookie year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @everything, i guess adding eight new players and a new coach with his complex system is a piece of cake.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    word to slick ric

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    @ slick: im talking about rose, deng, and noah. not a piece of cake for sure.

  • tRay

    I give the Bulls props but if anyone thinks they can dethrone the Lakers in the finals then you need to check yourself. Everyone knows that Boozer chokes when he faces the Lakers in the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People should really be concerned that LeBron’s jumper is dropping so easily.
    I’m just saying.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    Lebrons minions are out in full force today. It’s easy to look good against inferior competition. Wade has been just as impressive if not better.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    yo slam I got melomans info up on my comments section where it should be my name and stuff. Fix this please. this is tonyknorr

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    OK ALL of this Melo hate has to stop… so the Knicks havent played aas good as the Nuggets… but there are a few points that everyone seems to let fly by. First of all, majority of the Nuggets games have been against sub 500 teams, while the Knicks have played Miami, orlando twice, Atl and the Celtics. Second, Melo wasn’t the only player involved in the tade. Ty Lawsons is clearly a better fit for the Nuggets system then billups was, PLUS the Nuggets got rid of Dead Weight like sheldon williams and Anthony Carter and they got quality rotation players in return. also Cahuncey was injured for about 5 games… so when you look at that Nugggets squad, they were able to get players who add depth… now their 10 deep… But it in no way reflects melo, if SDenver surrounded Melo with that kind of talent they’d be even better

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    @ Kap. aww whats the matter is someone bitter because his boy kobe stunk it up AGAIN last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    Kobe stunk it up? The Nuggets played good defense and were more efficient than Lakers in the fourth combined with LA having over 20 turnovers. Thats why LA lost, it wasn’t because of Kobe. That loss doesn’t prove anything but LA is not the same team when Bynum isn’t on the court. I hope his injury isn’t serious.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t know if I qualify as a LeBron minion, but when dude’s jumper is falling, with that talent around him, it’s a problem.
    Wade gets better lanes, Bosh gets better looks. True, the other team was garbage, but it’s still impressive.
    If the Heat get healthy, play defense and give consistent effort, this could be a truly great playoffs.
    And that’s what I’ve wanted all year.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Kobe wasn’t very clutch last night. Bad loss, that they should have won. Can’t be all that picky when your team is ballin, but that loss didn’t need to happen.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Derrick Rose averaged 25.6 ppg, 7.1 apg and 3.7 rpg while leading the Bulls to a 13-3 record in March.
    You could say he didn’t deserve player of the month based on his 41% FG shooting, but you could name any other player and someone could think of a reason why they shouldn’t have gotten it either.
    And LeBron is indeed balling out of his mind.

  • add

    matt carroll did well for the bobcats puttin in 26

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Chris Paul played a genuine flawless game last night. Kobe came up really short down the stretch, and I’m a big Kobe fan. Wilson Chandler played good defence.
    I am surprised that people are talking about Bron, just because unless you are a Heat fan (which know one besides Eboy will claim), why would you watch them in NJ. The games I have watched him play lately, he has indeed been lighting it up.
    41% shooting for the month and you earn POM honours?! I did not know that stat until just now. Enigmatic, your right, team success is a huge part of it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    Why does LBJ get all the love when Wade has been just as impressive???

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Kap Wade hasn’t been “just as impressive.” He has been slightly less impressive. Which is still incredible. That is why LBJ is not in MVP discussion for the most part because he has a near equal partner.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    how is 18 3 and 5 just as impressive as 31 11 and 8? smh, haters gotta hate.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    31 11 and 7* my bad. Also, I did have an issue with LeBron last night, 7 turnovers against the Nets? that’s not gonna do.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk, using one game as a sample is not the best way to do it. On the year, their statistics are much more comparable. I do understand that Bron is the better player, and has played better.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    On the year, Bron is at 27,7,7,1.5 stls, 3.6 tovs, 51% fg, 33% 3pt, 76% ft, 38.7 mins. Wade is at 26,6,4,1.5 stls, 1.1 blck, 3.1 tovs, 50% fg, 31% 3pt, 75% ft, 37.2 mins. Those are very, very similar! Kap is not just hating, on the season Wade has almost been as good as Bron, and has been better at the end of games (although marginally).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I was just pointing out why LeBron is getting love today and Wade isn’t. Because he played better last night. I realize they are both neck and neck in terms of production this season, I got them at 4 & 5 for MVP.

  • JTaylor21

    AllBall, do you have stats to back up that last statement or did you hear it from one of those “experts” on BSPN?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    OH and what Kobe did last night, those nights, are why he isn’t nearly as clutch as people think. Or valuable.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    What statement in particular? The comment was full of statistics. How many times has Bron missed clutch shots this year? Bron has not been clutch this year. I am surprised that is even up for debate.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe was very bad down the stretch last night. That “or valuable” add on is just your opinion, how ever. He has 5 rings as a 1st or 2nd option. That shows value. Haters gotta hate.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    NBK, you could switch Kobe’s name out for LeBron,Melo,Durant,Rose and it still would be applicable at certain points this season so your point is moot.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    It shouldn’t be.

  • ThaWindy

    Bron did choke when they played the Bulls..

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    My last comment was regarding AllBall’s ” Bron has not been clutch this year. I am surprised that is even up for debate” remark

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i’d stop short of saying kobe isn’t as valuable as people think. i mean…he is kobe.

  • KushMan

    Bron aint really ish. I mean the guy is a freak of nature and has no I.Q. He will never win a ring because he is a re-tard. ROSE for MVP!!!

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Danny Ainge, why? Why? WHY???

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    hmmm, did I say Kobe is worse then those people in the clutch Royal? And how is me saying he isn’t as valuable as people make it sound hating? I just had a conversation with a Laker fan yesterday, he thinks not only is Kobe in the same conversation as Jordan, but he’s CLEARLY better then Shaq and Tim Duncan. I had to deal with a backlash the last time I said Kobe wasn’t that clutch because I used actual statistics, so now we have a game where Kobe shot the Lakers out of it at the end by missing his last 4 shots, badly. Sorry, and the not as valuable thing was basically in response to an article I read today saying if Rose doesnt get MVP, Kobe does….. right, because Bynum hasn’t meant anything to there record since the all star break? whatever, I ain’t hatin, I love Kobe’s game, but games like last night illustrate perfectly why he is not all that is he romanticized into. which is fine

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So by people, you mean one Laker fan who for some reason thinks he is in line with Jordan. Kobe is better than Shaq and Tim Duncan. Now, if I had to pick one of them in their prime, it would be Shaq, BUT Kobe is the best player of this era due to his consistency and longevity. That is, consistency of excellence and winning.
    The other person was some one saying Kobe should be MVP? I mean, he is not the MVP, but he is a top 5 candidate, if you do not have him in your top 5, then yes, that would be hating also.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    Last night was not Kobes fault. When he came into the game they were down six points. He didn’t turn the ball over down the stretch, Gasol did. So how did he shoot the Lakers out of the game???

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    Its ridiculous how guys turn make losses out to be his fault but when he was clutch against PHX and Portland you had nothing to say. Man go somewhere with that ish.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kap, Kobe was terrible down the stretch last night. Lets be real.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    He scored 28 points on 10-27 shooting. On that subject, I read how some one calculated Rose shots at end of quarters form 30 feet plus, and his FG and 3PT % both went up 1 point, when excluding these shots.
    Bulls fans, what % of Rose shots do you think result in offensive rebounds? Rose gets the defence so out of position that it often gives the Bulls big men an easier opportunity to rebound.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually AllBall yesterday was one Laker fan in a line of many that I come across on a weekly basis. I don’t want to have to get into this argument again, but come on, Kobe is better then Shaq? how? why? – and Tim Duncan, is a debate, I wouldn’t put him there, but I won’t argue with you on that, that’s an either or type of thing IMO. The Kobe is MVP thing came from the “first:cup” on truehoop this morning, and I also read a couple articles last week saying why isn’t kobe mentioned for MVP? People want Kobe to win MVP just because he has only won one in his career….is that really a good reason? And not having him in the top 5 is hating? really, Rose, Dwight, Dirk, James, Wade. Boom.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    His shot didn’t fall but he wasn’t the prime reason for the loss. What about the five missed free throws down the stretch, the turnovers and the missed defensive assignments. The team lost last nites game not Kobe alone. They are 18-2 since All star break and someone says “illustrates perfectly why he is not all that he is romanticized into.” Really??? The guy who has been dominating the league for over a decade? Now that’s hate. NBK is a joke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    Dirk??? But not Kobe…once again nbk you are a joke.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I take Kobe over Shaq because of consistency and longevity, like I said. Me and you both know that in their primes, Shaq was the best player of all 3.
    Bron and Wade are both more valuable than Kobe? Kobe has GREAT team mates, no doubt, but he does not have another top 5 player in the world. I don’t have Dirk on my list, I think his play has fell off since his initial injury. I would have Rose, followed by Dwight, and then Kobe and Bron together at 3.

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    i hope san antonio stays 1 and gets memphis and okc in back to back rounds

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And yes, not having him in your top 5 is hating.

  • JTaylor21

    Who said anything about him being “clutch” this season? I’m talking about you acting like Wade has been getting his Reggie Miller on this season.
    He has been just as bad in the clutch as Bron and for the past few years, Bron has actually been way better in the clutch yet people seem to think that wade should be the go-to guy in crunch time when in reality he’s not.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Kap

    Of course Kobe is better than Shaq. So how is Shaq better than Kobe nbk? There’s no debate on either. Kobe has won more, been more consistent, and had the longevity the others didn’t. You not gonna get into because you know you have no point. What a joke…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Guess who didn’t play last night Kap? other then Bynum not playing, the Lakers loss can be attributed to Kobe’s 10-27, and straight missed field goals at the end of the game. Ofcourse there were other mistakes, there always are. The Lakers shot 42% from the field last night, Kobe shot 37%. Gasol went 7-10 from the floor. I realize Kobe is better then Gasol, but he has never even shot close to an equal % from the floor, what constitutes him getting 17 more shots in one game? The Lakers record since the all star break has more to do with Bynum being healthy then Kobe being great.

  • ThaWindy

    I think people want Kobe to win because he only has one and thats how his name came out of no where. Plus the Lakers were playing great ball. Regardless of who comes out the East if the Lakers are there they will be the favorite to win it. Sound like some Nike ship to me..lol

  • ThaWindy

    I think Wade is more clutch…that’s not to say that LBJ is not. But I would give it to wade

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq is the oldest player in the NBA, first of all. So don’t bring up Kobe and longevity, Shaq was already great when Kobe was a rookie. check who the Slam Family thinks is better, actually if you watched Shaq his whole career this isn’t even a question. Start a team with Shaq or Kobe to win titles in ANY era in NBA history, who wouldn’t pick Shaq? And what would your reason be?

  • ThaWindy

    Well let’s see how well the Lakers play without Kobe…

  • Byebye

    Rose plays in the central labron doesn’t
    Case closed

  • JTaylor21

    I’m sorry but TD and Shaq were more dominant in their prime than Kobe was in his, true story.
    A dominant bigs tops what a dominant perimeter player does 99 out of a 100 times and ask any coach to pick one and I’m betting they all choose TD and Shaq in their primes over prime Kobe.

  • Byebye

    The bulls look like the cave of the last two years playing in the central
    One go to player and roll players who help out during the reg season but when the playoffs come they gonna be out in second round like the cave were last year if they make it to the ecf I will buy a d rose jersey and a boozer jersey

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq has better career than Kobe and he never really tried as hard. Lol. And people are casting duncan aside too easily. Dude has been all world on offense and defense for most of his prime, beat Kobe and shaq together and never had ego issues. His prime stats are just as impressive if not moreso since he was playing great defense.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk, Shaq has longevity, but no consistency. Oft injured, did not maximise his potential, team hopping for the past few years.
    Without doubt, I would start with Shaq. Like I have said, Shaq in his prime V Kobe in his prime is no contest, as good as Kobe as, that speaks to how dominant Shaq was.
    Jtaylor, what the hell goes on in your mind that makes you think that me saying “Wade has been marginally better than Bron in the clutch this season” equates to “getting his Reggie Miller on”?! Are you serious with that. Bron has been terrible in the clutch THIS SEASON, Wade has been slightly better. Wades big play in crunch time in one of the marque games, LAL @ MIA, won them the game. Bron has not been clutch in any big time games this year. Now, Bron is better, on the season Bron has played better, that is not what I am debating.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Slam has Shaq at Number 4 all time, Duncan at 8, and Kobe at 12. – Infact I can’t find any top 100 list that has Kobe over Shaq. I found one with Kobe over Duncan, that was from RealGM. other then that, I can’t find anywhere that Ranks Kobe ahead of both Shaq and Duncan. And absolutely nowhere that has Kobe above Shaq.

  • JTaylor21

    AllBall, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
    I understand where you’re coming from but wade had one good game in the clutch and all of a sudden, he’s the better clutch player?
    Can we at least agree on one thing?
    Both players have underperformed in the clutch this year.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    One good game in the clutch, talking about marquee/big time games, is enough for me to say Wade has been more clutch this season, not that he is a more clutch player. Like you said, both have under performed in the clutch.

  • Scott

    Duncan > Kobe > Shaq

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Wade is a better clutch player until LeBron wins a title IMO. I’m sorry but there is nothing more clutch to me then being backed against the wall in the finals and leading your team to 4 straight wins. – Also remember that play against Chicago(?) last year or the year before where wade got the game winning steal and banked in a running 3 for game, the “this is my house” game? I don’t think that really has any effect on who is better, but the end of that game was amazing.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    It was Chicago, and that was ridiculously clutch.

  • Scott

    Shaq is an all-time great but didn’t maximize his talent. Can’t say the same bout Kobe. Don’t forget the Lakers picked Kobe over Shaq. If Kobe wins another championship this summer he will have moved ahead of Duncan too.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hey kap, why is what I’m saying a joke? you’ve said that 3 times now, first because i have Dirk higher on my MVP list, (his team has a better win % with him on the court then the Lakers do with Kobe FYI) – and when I said that Shaq is better then Kobe all time (which according to most everyone is true), so what’s the joke?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Scott the Lakers picked Kobe over Shaq because of Age and Age alone.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And because Kobe was going to sell more tickets, right? That is what Phil Jackson said in his Book. Kobe would sell out Staples for the next 10 years.
    I agree with you nbk, in that it had nothing to do with on court production.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @JTaylor – One good game in the clutch? I don’t watch every single Heat game like you do, but I know on more than a few occasions I’ve seen them be down and Wade make multiple shots to get them back into it, only for LeBron to miss the potentially game-winning or game-tying three.
    See, I told you you also get upset whenever Bron is put in a not so positive light, didn’t I?
    @byebye – the Bulls look like the “cave?” The f*ck?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah that too AllBall, Kobe is definitely, infinitely more fun to watch play. And as we’ve been saying, younger.

  • http://swww.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @scott
    Shaq>>duncan>kobe

  • JoeMaMa

    I’m not even a Magic fan, but I still say DHoward is either choice #1 or a very close #2 for the MVP. He’s a dominant offensive player, and the best defensive player in the league. His team has made two MASSIVE trades, and he’s still leading them to 50 wins…and Arenas isn’t doing a thing. He’s the only player on that team who can play D, and if he had a better supporting cast (which is what big men need, or everyone would just double/triple them), there would be no question.
    SO, for a guy that’s one of the best offensive players in the game, and the best defensive player in the game, leading his team to 50 wins over a tumultuous year…he gets my fan vote.

  • http://swww.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @byebye, you sound stupid, the bulls have better weapons on offense than the cavs, plus they play better defense. the defense is wat let the cavs downs against the celtics and the magic.

  • http://swww.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @joemama, I know you did not say dwight is a dominant offensive player. he has got better but still looks indecisive at times. hee has got to be playing in the worst era for centers ever. young shaq would average 35ppg #nowadays

  • JoeMaMa

    He IS a top offensive player. He’s getting 23 a game shooting 60%. If you watch the Magic, they shoot too early, and sometimes he doesn’t get the ball. But 23ppg on 60%? How many guys are averaging more points? 9, with the best (KD) being only 4 ppg more…and they all (except for Kevin Martin) take 6-7 shots more per game. Shooting a better %? The next guy to have as many shot attempts as him (around 13.5, give or take a couple of % points) is Pau, at 53%. He’s third in the league in O boards, despite playing with no other rebounding bigs (Bass? ALLEN?).
    And on D…4th in blocks despite having to cover more ground on account of his wings’ D deficiencies. 22nd in the L in steals. All great stats…but if you watch him play and see how important he is to his team, it’s magnified. Yeah…JoeMaMa will cast his ballot for D12. And that’s with all due respect to LeBron and Rose, two great players.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I’m sorry, but I’ve always believed Dwight’s D was overrated. Yeah, he gets his blocks, alters a lot of shots, and denies a lot of potential second-chance points with his defensive rebounding.
    But let’s face it, in this weak era of centers, it’s not like he has to really fight hard to contain his man the way a Thabo Sefolosha does trying to guard the Kobe Bryants and Dwyane Wades of the NBA.
    Hakeem Olajuwan was a waaaaaaaay better defender than Dwight Howard.
    Also, I still say the MVP can’t come from a team with the 8th best record in the league. Sorry. Plus Bron had a weaker supporting cast than Howard does and he led them to two consecutive 60-wins seasons, so the 50-wins for Howard doesn’t impress me.
    He is a beast though. There’s no denying that.

  • JoeMaMa

    Oh, sorry, last thing: no player’s perfect. DRose has bad +/-…Dwight is bad at his FTs…LeBron’s outside J (until verrry recently) is poor…and so on. But I think Dwight is playing MVP-type ball. And he’ll only get better. Shout out to Patrick Ewing.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Speaking of The Dream, I cannot believe he was traded to the Raps for draft picks that became Bostjan Nachbar and Tito Madox.
    That’s a f*cking travesty right there…

  • JoeMaMa

    @Enigmatic: there’s no denying that this is a guard’s league now. But because Bron’s a wing guy, he can better influence the game, as the ball is more often than not in his hands. Howard has to rely on the whims of his teammates, who, if you’ve watched them, don’t always make Howard their #1 priority. That said, I agree with you that Hakeem is better than Howard, hands down. But I must say that with so much small contact being called, both at the wing and in the post, Dwight can’t just body guys up; he actually uses finesse as well as his strength; he’s not some big stiff, he’s a tremendous athelete with great defensive capabilities. Also, it’s almost a given that he’ll get his 3rd straight DPOY. But this year he’s also averaging 5 more ppg. That should be impressive. Last thing: The Dream was such a washed out player when he came to TO…Raptors fans weren’t mad, just….disappointed. But great f*cking player on the Rockets.

  • Byebye

    We all thought labrons supporting cast was good until the playoffs the last four yrs
    07 finals no help
    08 playoffs had to do it all
    09 bron ave 38 in playoffs
    10 no help whatsoever

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no we didn’t

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @JoeMaMa – all valid points. Like I said though, I put a lot of importance on team record as far as who I believe should be MVP.
    With Howard it’s kind of a catch-22 though.
    I don’t think his team won enough for him to merit the MVP, however there’s no denying his team would’ve won a lot less without him.
    @Byebye – Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison, the ghost of Shaquille O’Neal, Anderson Varejao…yeah, sorry, I never thought LeBron’s supporting cast was good.

  • Scott

    I just feel that Shaq could have had and even greater career if he had say Jordan’s or Kobe’s work ethic. It is a shame that Shaq never had anybody to push him to another level when he was in his prime.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m reading a convo Phil Jackson had with reporters about Tex Winter, interesting quote about the star players that Tex coached with Phil, “So, every star that I ever had on a team, except Scottie Pippen, basically he had trouble with parts of their game” – Speaking on Kobe’s perpensity to over dribble and over penetrade, Shaq’s inability to be coached, and Jordan’s inability to pass correctly. Thought that was interesting.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    penetrate*

  • MUBWAR

    penetrade lool

  • Byebye

    If labron had ever played with shaq in his prime they wouldn’t never lost to anybody in shaqs prime. In the playoffs cause the difference between labron an Kobe is Kobe likes to have the credit thrown his way an likes overshadow his teammates to a point they don’t like him
    That’s why him an shaq never got along when Kobe began being a great player
    Labron likes when his teammates play well Kobe doesn’t Bynum should ave atleast 20-12 but Kobe doesn’t want him to shine
    Look at suns game with denver Bynum was beasting then Kobe went Kobe an we didn’t see Bynum be all he can be

  • Byebye

    @nbk lol
    That’s what all my friends told me atleast

  • Byebye

    If Dwight Howard keeps getting better he might surpass Timmy as the second best big man of the 2000

  • JTaylor21

    Umm you need to say “bye bye” to whatever credibility you had with that statement there.
    Where the hell is NSYNC when you need them.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Royal

    NBK, my point is that everyone has bad games…everyone screws up…and most players are overrated by their fans,slurpers etc. So in my opinion the point you made was useless…..I had a class that’s why I’m responding so late my bad

  • Bruno

    hahaha cosign JTaylor21 at 5:08

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, that was funny JTaylor, except now I have that dumb-a** song stuck in my head! lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no stress. The point I made was useless? Kobe does what he did last night more often then what you remember him doing. The problem? nobody points out when Kobe shoots LA out of games, or out of the end of games. Your comment was useless, what I said had nothing to do with any other player. I made a comment about Kobe not being very clutch a couple weeks ago, so when the time came for him to be clutch yesterday, he did what he normally does. I mean seriously, its not that big of a deal

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    the good thing for Kobe, and all the other best players on the planet, the games are 48 minutes. Shooting 33% in close end of game situations isn’t that big of a deal, because normally they already have a big enough lead to keep anyone from playing the hero. Really though, if you coached a team, and had a guy shoot 10-23, would you feel comfortable if he took your next 4 shots to try and close out the game? Or would you just keep to your offense, which has been the most successful and efficient offense in the NBA for 20 years and be confident that your team will find the right look?

  • bubbarundt

    K-mart with the huge tip in then telling the lakers fan all about it in his ghetto fabulous ways, n Mike Breen bitc¤ing about it “You just made a great play, just go back to your bench for crying out loud” Mark Jackson “Welcome to the NBA mike” Mike “That doesn t make it right” was the moment of the night for me!!
    Laughed my Jordans off.

  • Wilbon

    co-sign nbk on almost every comment on this post

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Royal

    Nah it’s not a big deal and Kobe is a chucker…you have to shoot shots to make them right….my point is that every elite player fcuks up on more than one occasion ,and during their failures it’s easy to say “See that’s why he’s not ……” and that can be said for every elite player in any sport at any level…Maybe useless was a little too strong of a word cause in reality all of our comments on the Internet don’t change a damn thing lol.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Royal

    Oh and regarding your question….no I don’t mind riding or dying with my best player if I was the coach….I Would prefer that the player attempts to score within the offense that we run as opposed to iso’s (what Kobe does) but scorers are on the court to score and if your best player is a scorer , you ride with him win or lose

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    But what did I really say he is not? everyone reads comments and like fills in the blanks with what they mean. I say what I mean, sometimes it might get jumbled up but I try and say what I mean word for word, I’m not a female, not trying to talk in code. When I said Kobe is not as clutch as people make him out to be, that’s all I meant. I didn’t mean he is inferior to LeBron or anyone else in the clutch, I didn’t even mean he isn’t the guy I would want with the ball in his hands. Over the last 6 or so years Kobe has turned into this fictional character in the clutch that will always hit the game winner. People expect it. and me personally, I think there is something wrong with people expecting something that only happens roughly once out of every three attempts. Its like the people who expected Kevin Durant to up his average 5 more points this season, what makes that logical? Because he has scored 35 before you expect him to average it? or because he raised his average by like 5 points for 2 straight years you expected it again? Kobe hits game winners, big ones, but he misses more then he makes. Which would be a mentioned a little more often for sure, if not for a Pau Gasol offensive rebound against OKC and a Ron Artest offensive rebound against phoenix.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’ve been gone all day so i’m just jumping in, but do we really want to say Shaq is better than Kobe when the ONLY reason that is true is because he is HUUUUUGE. lol. Its so difficult for me to say Shaq is better than Kobe when I know that Kobe has 10 times more skill than Shaq has. Opinions?

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Royal

    I got you. But it seems that people (not you in particular) insist on exposing players. Derrick Rose had ten turnovers about a week ago,does that show that he is not as valuable as people think? Dwade has played like Rodney Stuckey in some games does that show that he isn’t as valuable as popular belief. etc. etc. They are humans …… They screw up…but I understand you ….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    simple, is Kobe Bryant a more skilled basketball player – DUH. Is he more effective then Shaq? Clearly he isn’t. Would you rather win, or have the guy who can do the most stuff? Should be another simple answer

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    @Enigmatic I saw you were wondering who the best SLAM commenter/emcee was on another thread, dare I say I’d have to be in the running.

    Click the name.

  • Scott

    Kobe 5 rings. Shaq 4 rings.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Scott that doesn’t work. NBK yes you are right. But does Shaq make the game winning shot? Not really ever.(not that Kobe always does, but it is with in his repertoire ) I’d take the guy that can do that personally.

  • Scott

    Shaq doesn’t make the game winning shots cause he can’t hit a damn free throw. Clearly Shaq is a top 15 player of all time but Kobe has had the better career.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wow Scott they oughtta git you down thurr at NASA to help em out.

  • Scott

    LakeShow. Spelling isn’t your forte is it?

  • Anonymosdef

    Shaq never hit many (any?) Game winners because when he was dominate the games were never really close. But yea I guess it makes sense to go with the guy who will shoot you into a close game requiring late game heroics (and most importantly to most LOOK good doing it) than the guy who wins in blowouts. Blowouts are no fun O_o

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    no scotch. it shur aint.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @BE.water – Dope!
    I’ma have to check it out when I get off work.
    Seven, eight years ago I might have been in the running too.
    I used to be part of this local rap group called Ill Minded Souls, which is where I got the name “Enigmatic” from.
    We did our thing for a bit, but we never really went far with it.
    Anyways, rhyming was cool but producing is what I’ve always wanted to get into, just never really had the money to buy the equipment and I’m too old-school to just be like “F it, I’ll make beats on Frooty Loops”.
    But I love the beats-making part of the game. I can name 20 Premo-laced beats faster than most dudes can name 20 Biggie or ‘Pac songs.

  • Scott

    To be fair Shaq faced some elite teams in his prime. Philadelphia and New Jersey were juggernauts in the early 2000′s. By the way Shaq’s teams have been swept in the playoffs six times!

  • Byebye

    @jtaylor
    Let me explain labron and shaq would dominate
    If they had played together if wade and shaq would’ve
    Been together while shaq was in his young days they would’ve dominated
    Kapish

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Who’s “labron”?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I can’t make head or tail of byebye’s post there…So, no. No “Kapish” lol. just terrible

  • Byebye

    It means understand
    Lol dummys

  • T-Money

    Ok so now rings are the barometer for greatness? I mean its a big part but magic wouldnt be mj’s equal if he had gotten one more! Shaq’s Career wouldnt be drastically altered with a ring this year. Kobe didnt pass Duncan last year.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Well we all know Robert Horry is the GOAT, so yeah, rings matter.

  • Byebye

    Nobody in the league could’ve invisioned Kobe would’ve turned out to be the player he became thats why he was the 13th pick in the draft that year labron was the 1 pick if he had come out his soph yr in high school

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I dunno Teddy.. MJ vs RH in a 1 on 1 battle would be a classic.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Jerry West actually did byebye and I’d rather blow teams out 4 out of 7 then take my chances on one effing possession.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    nbk, what channel is the Suns/Bulls game on in your neck of the woods?
    I can’t find that f*cker anywhere on League Pass.
    Not the Chicago broadcast OR the Phoenix broadcast.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    And yes, I’m aware the game is tomorrow.
    Still can’t find it though…

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    UPN45 in Phoenix my dude

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Thanks.
    No wonder, it’s probably because it’s not on some Fox Sports or Comcast channel in either city…damnit.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Yeah local station. U got leaguepass? Try streaming it maybe?

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    UConn baby!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    how the hell did i miss out on all of byebye’s gems today!?
    WOW

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    @Enig Im a Pete Rock Junkie myself. But Primo is pure disaster. Beat making allows for a crazy amount of creativity. Basketball and music has a very close relation in terms of creativity. I actually got to write a paper on basketball as an art form. 97% on that Ass. haha. Let me know what you think of the tracks.

    As far as this UConn Butler game tonight…

    Joint was wild!

    @NBK NBA.com said there was no games being played today… you sure you’re watching today?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yo BE., man I heard a few tracks and you got skills, kid.
    I concede the SLAM MC crown to you lol.
    You kinda sound like OC from DITC.
    I loved that Bruce Lee vocal sample in the intro too!

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    Enig – Appreciate it bro.

    I’ve gotten the Redman comparison quite often actually. Good to hear a new name thrown out there. lol

    Credits for that intro go to my man Emperor Bohe though, he’s a beast on the boards.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    games today tuesday at 5:00PM in Phoenix, so 7:00ET. on ch. 45 in phx (DirecTv)

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I still can’t find it over here, nbk.
    Looks like I’ll have to go without watching this one…

  • Tom Atencio

    I recaently want to Iowa and stopping at a convienience store there, I saw a mag with a cover picture of Kobe Bryant. I’d never heard of Slam Magazune. It isn’t sold where I live in northeast Colorado. When I got back to Colorado I went looking on the internet for Slam magazine and lo and behold I found paradise. I wound up ordering another magazine with Kobe on the cover and reading some comments that complain about how many times Kobe appears on your cover I decided if he appears that many time, then I had to subscribe. So I did. I’m a huge Kbobe Bryant fan and I just hope when they say Kobe appears alot they are telling the truth. As long as Kobe keeps appearing on your cover I will continue to subscribe (and I don’t mean two or three times a year). Thank you for the great cover pictures of Kobe (the greatest ever).

  • knickzvet82

    ^^Tom…
    Wow..I can’t imagine just catching up to Slam now, either Slam needs to check their distribution or you need to get out of town more often. Anyway start your collection man. Congratulations on your discovery of basketball heaven!

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    Premier is supreme. Pete Rock is cold-blooded. 9th Wonder is crazy. Planet Mars is dope.

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