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Tuesday, April 26th, 2011 at 9:17 am  |  150 responses

Post Up: Lost in the Mood

Nuggets stay alive, and it gets worse for the Spurs.

San Antonio 86, Memphis 104

I’m beginning to think “Los Spurs” is Spanish for “massive failure.” Down 2-1 to the Grizzlies in Memphis, the Spurs needed a decisive victory Monday to (re)announce their presence with authority. Instead they folded worse than Ed Helms in “The Hangover,” (I can feel it comin’ in the air tonight…) giving up 104 points and allowing the Grizzlies to shoot over 50 percent from the field en route to an 18-point loss.

Like many others, I expected the Spurs to bounce back with a strong showing after taking it on the chin in Game 3. Instead they were manhandled. Other than the play of Tony Parker (23 points on 9-12 shooting), they were atrocious. They let the Grizzlies carve them up like Boris the Butcher. Even Darrell Arthur.

The Spurs were a train wreck on defense, a car crash on offense. Tim Duncan finally showed his age, scoring just 6 points in 29 minutes. Richard Jefferson laid an egg. And DeJuan Blair may as well be on the side of a carton of Lucerne (even Hamed Haddadi saw more minutes).

Meanwhile, the Grizzlies showed the kind of balance and poise typically reserved for San Antonio teams come Playoff time. Their ball movement was terrific. Mike Conley was terrific. They had five players score in double digits (the third time they’ve done so this series).

They’re rolling right now, as Zach Randolph’s towel-waving jig at the buzzer is testament to. They have all the momentum – not to mention consistency.

The Spurs, the No. 1 seed in the West and the best team in the League throughout much of the regular season, now face the daunting task of winning three in a row to stay alive. Is it possible? Yes. But not if they play like they did Monday. — Patrick Crawley / @BasketballFiend

Portland 82, Dallas 93

After playing the role of Superman for Portland in Game 4 with his incredible fourth quarter heroics, Brandon Roy never made it out of the phone booth for Game 5. Dallas, still fighting the demons of its epic 2006 Finals collapse, held the three-time All-Star to just 5 points in 26 minutes off the bench and rolled to a convincing 93-82 victory Monday night to pull ahead 3-2 in its first-round series with the Trail Blazers.

“Frustration is definitely at a high level,” said Dirk Nowitzki at the post-game presser after the Mavs’ Game 4 loss.

The 7-0 foot German sharpshooter absorbed questions about his team blowing a 23-point lead Saturday night like they were bullets, cringing at having to somehow explain his team’s penchant for choking, yet again, in the postseason. Maybe it was the bitter taste of those haunting memories; maybe it was a tongue-lashing by Rick Carlisle, or worse, Mark Cuban; or maybe it was the home cookin’. Whatever it was, the Mavs came out the gate fired up and they never let up on the visitors.

Stymied by foul trouble on the road, Tyson Chandler played to his height in this must-win game, racking up 14 points and a career-Playoff high of 20 rebounds, including 13 on the offensive end. Jason Kidd distributed the rock to the tune 14 dimes and Nowitzki scored 11 of his game-high 25 points in the third quarter, helping his team hold on to its lead in the fourth quarter like a rabid mongoose on a rattler.

Portland had the upper hand for much of the first half and was only down 10 when Roy connected on a open J at the start of the fourth, but then it was all downhill for the Blazers, who missed their next 10 shots.

The signature play of the game was when Gerald Wallace raced down the court to block Shawn Marion’s dunk attempt, only to have the rebound end up in Kidd’s hands, who then kicked it out to Peja Stojakovic to nail a wide-open three ball. That was the nail in the coffin.

Andre Miller led Portland with 18 points and 7 assists, while Crash added 16. Jason Terry continued to be a spark plug off the bench with 20 points.

Both teams head back to the Rose Garden for Game 6, where the Blazers are hoping the trend of the home team taking home the W continues to force a Game 7. –Maurice Bobb / @reesereport

Oklahoma City 101, Denver 104

Denver avoided a sweep by holding off a fast-finishing Oklahoma City. The Nuggets used an offensive spread reminiscent of their post-trade form to end the regular season, using it to overcome big nights from Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant.

Ty Lawson was brilliant, 27 points on 16 shots while giving his usual bolt of energy. It was hardly the classic point guard line—just 3 assists while leading the team in shots attempted—but a Nuggets team lacking a true go-to scorer, or even true star for that matter, benefitted as a result. His 13 points in the fourth proved to be the difference.

Danilo Gallinari had his best game since the opener with 18 points, and he held Durant as long and as best as he could until a late KD flurry. JR Smith hit timely shots, Kenyon Martin was efficient, and Denver simply had more contributors.

The union that is Durant (31 points) and Westbrook (30 points) must now wait for their first post-season breakthrough. Westbrook reminded us that, while continually growing as a point guard, his game can also be besieged with a hardheadedness that makes him both great and frustrating. Frankly, 30 shots is too many, especially when it produces only one point per shot. He’s a gamer, though, for better or worse.

Durant had a rough first three quarters yet came on late, scoring 16 points in the final 9 minutes to drag the Thunder back from down 9 to within 2. He’ll be ready to go when they return home.

Perhaps appropriately, this series didn’t end in a sweep; Denver saw to that with a fine, balanced effort. Don’t expect it to return to Mile High, however. — Todd Spehr

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  • Riggs

    thunder will win at home (which is actually better for their fans)

  • Ronan

    Spurs will exit the playoffs at home (which is actually sad for Grizz fans)

  • Scott

    Westbrook was efficient last nite with 30 points on 30 shots.

  • Myung

    I’m the Asian guy who drafted the Wu Tang Clan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    A Myung sighting?

  • Myung

    Morning, E.

  • Myung

    I quite enjoyed the back-and-forth between BC and Allen. Sometimes, I feel like they’re the same person under two different screen names. I was, of course, rooting for Allen because Allen’s an OG.

  • Myung

    And because he was right. He’s always right (that’s a backhanded compliment, Allen).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    HaHa! Nice.

  • feez22

    bye spurs.

  • J-MAC

    BC was right.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Westbrook was efficient stat wise but your point guard needs to get everybody involved. He put up 30 shots!!!!! And his shot selection was pure boo boo last night. His mindset last night was eff Durant and my wide open teammates, I’m going to get mine. Very disappointed in him. My concern with OKC going forward is that they play very limited defense and are a jump shooting team. Scott Brooks needs to come up with some plays in the half court because if they dont get stops and run Westbrook will call his own number and take a bad shot, like last night.

  • Myung

    I don’t know Scott, but I’m fairly certain that he was being sarcastic, Stepfan.

  • Mike From Spain

    Now I really understand what do you mean when you say ‘regular season means nothing’… I never thought I’d see such a clear example of this in the Spurs.

  • Scott

    Myung, just state that Rose is better then Paul or vice versa and the debate will go all day. Priceless.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    was it just me, or did anyone else notice how much of a whiny b*tch westbrook was being last night?
    i mean, im a fan of his game but i honestly haven’t watched a lot of OKC basketball.
    maybe it was cuz they were losing, i dunno.

  • feez22

    all westbrook did was play like derrick rose last night… TRUTH. Volume shooting, missing a bunch of 3s, going into freestyle tunnel vision mode which ended up in a few turnovers… Not that hard to fathom that they train in the offseason together… both rose and westbrook are very similar. Difference=rose is the first option on his team and westbrook is the second option on his.

  • Myung

    All I know is, Eric from Entourage is a pretty good basketball coach so he should’ve called more plays for KD at the end.

  • Mike From Spain

    @ Scott & Myung, I am new here but yes, that’s like pouring some lighter fluid on the fire… if you want 300 comments just say something like DRose does not make it to your top 5 current PG list, or that the Bulls are winning in the post season solely because of poor officiating

  • Myung

    Or that the Hawks will beat the Bulls in Round 2?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    rose > westbrook. still.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like where Myung’s head’s at.

  • Myung

    Always above my shoulders, E, except when I’m doing a handstand.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    On your nuts??

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ahhh…..ghey humor…..what a cool concept.

  • Myung

    That’s pretty funny, pablasso.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i hope mike from spain is being sarcastic, otherwise its just plain ridiculous

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    co sign airs. @RealMikeWilbon Ok City can’t beat the Lakers w Westbrook’s ego running amok like that…sweep was there because Denver tried its best to cough it up. @RealMikeWilbon Russell Westbrook is a great player but too much hero ball…like’s he’s competing w Durant…Give the ball up to a superior shooter…

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    Is anyone else questioning whether the Grizzlies might be better WITHOUT Gay? I don’t regularly watch Spurs games, but they don’t seem to be playing at a different level than the few games I’ve watched this season where they were firing on all cylinders. Similarly, I’ve watche a few Grizzlies games and I’ve never seen them play this well. Maybe it’s the excitement of the playoffs…or maybe it’s the absence of Rudy. Curious.

  • Mike From Spain

    @ airs hehe gotcha :) I was just saying the type of thing that starts arguments, not that I think those things myself… kind of sarcastic if you will.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Mavs, bébé!
    So glad Tyson and Marion decided to wake up for these playoffs. Just in the nick of time.
    Good to see MyungA.T.L in the hizzle.

  • J-MAC

    Grizz play better team ball imo w/out Gay. Maybe they can fit him in playing with the same concept. Gay doesnt really seem like the diva type. Not having a post threat will hurt OKC eventually.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @mike ha, i almost bit.

  • Myung

    What up, Dark. Hope you’ve been well, friend. I’m pulling for the Mavs too. Ever since I got married (my wife’s family lives in Dallas), I’ve rooted for them. I hope they close it out in 6 and hope they never ever get another 23 point lead again.

  • 1982

    My NBA bracket is all kinds of not accurate after last night…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well I’m glad Myung has finally accepted the inevitable.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Ah, the rigors of marriage, eh Myung?
    Rooting for wifeys hometown team = harmony in the humble abode :-)

  • Ganchan

    Westbrook is one of my favorite players in the league but he played like garbage last night. I cant for the life of me understand why KD wasn’t taking every single shot at the end of the game.

  • Myung

    Nah, she’s a hardcore Hawks fan like me now. I’ve brainwashed her, just as I will do to my two kids when they’re old enough to understand the game. Cheering for the Mavs… I’m basically kissing up to my father in law, which is equally important. lol

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Gay was killing before he went out, and with him the Grizzlies would be a serious threat to any team in the West.
    Without him, all you have to do in neutralize Z-Bo, and put a body on Gasol and you will probably beat them. They lack scoring on the perimeter right now, but the Spurs are so small that the Grizzlies can get whatever they want by feeding the post and waiting for the inevitable double team.
    I’m curious to see how it works against the Thunder, barring a massive Spurs resurgence. I think the Grizzlies can possibly beat the Thunder if Z-Bo and Gasol can dominate their matchups because as somebody said up top, the Thunder damn near run the Atlanta West offense. Better known as the Cali Swag District offense.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Gucci Mane Offense!

  • Myung

    Imagine the Grizz with Rudy Gay, Kevin Love (instead of making that draft day trade for OJ), Marc Gasol, and ZBo, plus Conley and whoever they would’ve taken in the 2009 draft, like Harden, TYREKE EVANS, Steph, Jrue, Lawson, etc… instead of Thabeet. Realistically (butterfly effect) the Grizz would most likely have NOT gotten the 2nd pick in 2009 had they kept Love (I’m assuming their record would’ve been slightly better than having Mayo), but I’d imagine they still would’ve been in the lottery in 2009 (young team coming together and playing in the tough West). They still could’ve gotten a good player in the mid to late lottery. Let’s say they got Steph Curry or B Jennings or Jrue Holiday or T Lawson and lined him up with Conley. That backcourt, with Gay, Love, Gasol, and Randolph up front. That’s better than OKC or any other young team in the League.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Darksaber
    Gucci Mane is down South. I could have said the Crucial Conflict offense or Nelly offense as a shout out to the Midwest, but I though Cali Swag fit better.
    They basically stole a dance from the South, then used it to make money because they had more talent.
    See the analogy?

  • Myung

    Josh, Joe, Kirk, Al, Marvin, Zaza, Jamal, and that Collins twin take exception to your analogy, Allen.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well tell them to run an actual offense that doesn’t just involve a steady diet of isos and pointless pick and rolls.
    I’m still waiting for Larry Drew’s vaunted motion offense to appear.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How does Love get on the court with ZBO? And splitting time between the three of them would have been beastly. I don’t think Love was the best pick for that team.
    But, imagine if they had traded Kevin Love for Eric Gordon! Now that would have been awesome.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Thanks for the education on modern day rap, AllenP. Gotta admit i could care less for what’s hot in that arena nowadays. The hyperbole in the rap game makes the bball version look like kid’s play.
    Cali Swag dum dums blessed us with ‘teach me how to dougie’, right?

  • Pharaoh

    Doesn’t sound so stupid now saying the Grizz were gonna beat the Spurs now does it? I don’t think anyone really took the Spurs as serious threats anyway so it shouldn’t be surprising

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dark
    Yeah, that’s the dance they stole from Texas, Dallas to be precise.
    I don’t follow modern rap closely either, but I do like to keep a working knowledge of certain pop culture references just to be able to have a conversation with young people.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Word, Allen.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    :-( @ modern dances and the word “swag”

  • Myung

    Allen, how many teams in the NBA run a pretty offense? I hate our offense. I’m with you. But don’t single out Atlanta, just because we’re ISO heavy. The NBA GAME is iso-heavy. Even the vaunted triangle offense that Phil runs in LA blows to ashes when Kobe has his way. I can name 2 teams for every one you can name me. Iverson. Vince. T-Mac. Kobe. You mix those guys (and the influence they had on the next generation) with the hand check rule, and poof! you’ve got the Gucci Mane offense you refer to. Again, Allen, I hate our offense. I especially hate it because unlike Miami’s ISO offense, our guys SHOOT JUMPERS and NEVER attack the rim. I’m with you. I just don’t think you need to point how unstructured our offense is when the same could be said for so many in our favorite League.

  • Myung

    I’m still waiting for his motion offense to appear too. He’s a bad coach. Better than Woodson, but that’s like seeing a 2 foot midget staring down the 1 foot 11″ midget. Or little person. Whatever.

  • JoeMaMa

    Tiago Splitter sighting…and even though the Spurs got trounced, I have to wonder why he didn’t play until now. He’s an active, big body who can battle against Gasol (Randolph would get the best of him, I’d say). The Spurs have been losing because McDyess, Blair, and Bonner are either too short, old, or just can’t bang with big guys the Grizzlies have. Putting Splitter in there, at the very least, gives them 6 hard fouls. I’m not saying the guy’s a great player, but at this point, Popovich has to try something to address the interior situation, and Splitter should be that guy. He had 10 and 9 in what, 20 minutes?

  • Drew

    Can someone please explain to me why the Thunder didn’t call a timeout last night with 15.2 seconds left on the clock and down 2 points? Instead they let Westbrook drive past mid-court and launch a wild 3pointer that ended up being an air ball. Then the Thunder are foul and Denver makes 2 shots to extend to a 4 point game. I’m no expert, but I strongly feel that Scott Brooks should have called timeout and drawn up a solid play for the last possession of the game. They had 15.2 seconds to come up with something better than a wild heave 3pointer air ball. Tell me I’m wrong and crazy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    Me and nbk have said for a while that the Spurs were a regular season team…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myung
    Man, I agree that isos are everywhere, but y’all seem worse to me, at least every time I watch. The combination of the isos, the lateral pick and rolls and the the ridiculous amount of contested jumpers is just horrible. And I’m a fan of Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford, but I have to keep it real. Plus Josh Smith has regressed like CRAZY. He is back to shooting jumpers and spectating on the perimeter.
    The playoff offenses I dislike the most are Atlanta, OKC, Orlando when they get three happy, and New York since the Melo trade.
    Offense I like the best are Boston, Los Angeles and Memphis. Everybody other playoff team is in the middle.

  • paul

    I’m not usually a stats person, but Perk needs to put up more rebounds.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i know this is random but does anyone else here watch hockey? haha
    i just recently started watching, its faaaaan-tasgreat.

  • MJNotKobe

    Actually if you want to get technical AllenP, the kids from Texas ressurected a dance created by a Bajan rapper from New York in the 80s. The son of Doug E. Fresh, a California native, made the dance popular through his rap group Cali Swag District. So for once Allep is WRONG! Back to basketball: The Grizzlies will be making it to the conference finals, where they will be easy work for the Lakers! :-D

  • MJNotKobe

    The Spurs or old and have been bitten by the injury bug. A fully healthy Spurs team would have gotten out of the first round.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    thank you allball. And Atlanta seems to run an iso on every play. Every team runs iso’s but not that often.

  • Myung

    Josh Smith’s game regressed? I didn’t know it was that good to begin with. You know me… he’s my least favorite Hawk and has been for years (other than Speedy Thief Claxton, Jon Contract, and Boris I’m Only Going To Start Trying Once You Trade Me Diaw). Top 5 ATHLETE in the League. Bottom 5 basketball IQ in the League. When he is focused and not launching jumpers, he is an effective player. Rarely is he focused for an entire game. Rarely is he not launching jumpers. For every spectacular stat line he puts up, he’ll also put up 9 (off 2-8 shooting and 4 for 7 from the line) and 6 with 4 turnovers. He is so exciting yet so maddeningly frustrating, and he is no longer a kid. He’s 25. He’s been in the NBA for 7 years. Yet he still makes stupid passes, still can’t dribble (other than centers, I’d say he’s one of the worst dribblers I’ve ever seen in the NBA… just watch his technique), still can’t shoot jumpers (he’s shooting a better % but that still doesn’t mean he’s a good shooter), still can’t hit free throws, and still mopes and whines after every call that goes against him. Some GM who only watches Sportscenter… please trade for him this summer. Please.

  • MJNotKobe

    Wack. Block the neewbie’s comments just cuz I’m right

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m pretty sure there are two teams in the West the Lakers don’t want to play, OKC and Memphis. – lucky for them they are gonna wear each other out next round.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I thought that Josh made some huge strides last year when he eliminated three pointers from his shot selection. then I heard this summer that Drew was encouraging him to shoot again, and I got worried. I was justified.
    I just think Josh Smith doesn’t understand how great he could be if he turned his motor to high. Or, he just doesn’t care. Either way, that Hawks team is in desperate need of an offense and attitude makeover.
    NBK
    I thought Memphis would have a tougher time upsetting the Spurs without Rudy Gay, and I expect it will still go to six, but I must say the Grizzlies have shocked me on offense. I didn’t realize how completely Randolph had bought into passing the rock. With him passing, they are so dangerous. They have two bigs who pass and can get buckets inside, they have two lockdown defenders, and they have a point who can score and pass to a certain degree. Plus, they have several quality players coming off the bench. They are in a good situation once Gay comes back. I’m on board with T-Money in saying that if they can develop this summer, they can be legit contenders next year barring a mental setback.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Why are people saying the Spurs are injury riddled? They have everyone, manu has a hurt off arm and that’s it. They weren’t built for the playoffs, and Poppovich did not bank on getting a team like Memphis if he finished with the 1 seed. He thought he’d get like Phoenix or Denver. San Antonio has been a false threat all season. – and since your new your info has to go through moderation, and the fast you post the slower it takes for each comment because they too must be moderated.

  • RobbieJay

    i honestly can i say it wouldnt surprise me if the Spurs came back, probaly because the devil doesnt like to see me happy. & anyone pullin for a hornets upset tonight?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    my 2k11 season has the hawks and grizzlies meeting in the finals. its not looking as ridiculous right now.

  • Myung

    Man, SLAMonline has changed a lot since back when I used to comment a lot. A Sportscenter banner ad? Wow. Whatever happened to calling it the Worldwide Follower…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Look Rudy Gay might not make them much better, he is a ball stopper first of all. ANd an inferior defender to Shane Battier. The team didn’t lose a step when he went down because his scoring was shared between Mayo, Allen, and a general increase from everyone else. IMO they are the Wests, Atlanta. A talented team but not Championship talented, that his stuck overpaying good but not great players. Can’t see them getting past a conference finals at most. Especially with the coming of age of OKC

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I think it’s cause ESPN’s finally giving SLAM the respect it deserves (see the Jay Harris interview), plus Scoop works for them now, so I think SLAM’s backed off from umm, slamming ESPN as a result.
    But we commenters can still do it!!

  • dsleepy

    trade dirk nowitzki to the suns.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I still watch PTI each day…..and their 30/30 series was fantastic. Sportscenter is pretty much a sh*t fest. Their NBA coverage is just a step above NBATV’s, which is lousy (unless C-Webb is in the studio). I lost alot of respect for ESPN when they didn’t renew their NHL contract several years ago. Shoutout to airs……I’ve loved hockey since I was a kid.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    PTI is fun to watch cause of the way Tony and Mike clown on each other, and always good to see a Bulls homer on there (from my perspective).
    Other than that, and when they show games on there, obviously, I really don’t watch it.
    Sportscenter is wack this time of year, too many damn baseball highlights and y’all know how I feel about baseball.
    Y’all know what I really miss though? The NBA on NBC.
    From their theme music to their dope off-the-court stories, they were much better than the cats at Walt’s Empire.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @ feez22 yeah but Rose is the best scorer on his team

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    edit: Walt’s Evil Empire.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Basically exactly what I’ve been saying about San Antonio all year, from a Spurs Blogger — Jesse Blanchard of the Spurs blog 48 Minutes of Hell: “The smoke and mirrors of this series was never about a head coach hiding a terrible team, but a flawed one. The quicker tempo, the pick and roll attack, the three-point shooting. These were all illusions to mask the real fact that age has taken away the two Spurs players capable of looking this ferocious brand of defense in the eye and destroying it.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    NO ONE covered NBA ball better than NBC did. That’s not even debatable.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and would anyone like to have that Russel Westbrook conversation again after last night?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    What was the Westbrook conversation about?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well there was 2, there’s the group that argued Westbrook is not much worse at running a team then Derrick Rose when really they aren’t in the same league as on another in terms of being “point guards”. And the other was that Westbrook doesn’t even know how to play PG appropriately and actually takes points away from Kevin Durant and his team. (that’s a summary) – I think Russel Westbrook proved my point on both issues last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So Westbrook has one poor shooting game with some crappy decisions and now he’s in Mario Chalmers class? Come on, he was hyped trying to finish out a series for his team…..he and Durant are going to have moments like this in their careers together. They’re learning….on the fly really, and to be honest, this is the first time in their NBA careers where they have genuine expectations. If the dude did this and the Thunder were trailing the series 3-1 or something like that….then maybe he can get a kick in the balls. But, to me, he get’s some slack, ’cause this is new to him and to the Thunder as a whole. If he comes out next game and get’s 25, 7, 9 on 50% shooting, does that squash this poor effort? I’d say so…and I expect him to play at that level.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I was arguing he don’t really know how to run the point. – if that sounded confusing.

  • JTaylor21

    Looks like it’s now accepted for PGs to take 30 shots a game unlike the 80/90s when it was highly frowned upon. Magic/Stockon/Zeke are rolling over in their collective graves.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It wasn’t about the effort, he was clearly playin his a** off. He shot 30 shots. Durant shot 18. That should NEVER happen. If your not going to give Durant the ball with Danilo Gallinari guarding him then when are you gonna give it to him? Westbrook tries to be the closer, and the go-to scorer, and he’s neither of those things. He’s one of the best 2nd banana’s in the league, he needs to accept it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Again, it’s one game.

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, stop it. DRose for all his supposed brilliance, has put up similar nights to what Russ did last night. Is Rose the better PG at this time in both player’s career? Yes but don’t act like dude is light years away from Westbrook in terms understanding the PG position.
    Rose still turns over the ball at a high rate just like Westbrook does, still shoots a bad percentage similar to westbrook and still from time to time takes questionable shoots like westbrook. They both still aren’t where they need to be in terms of fully mastery of the position, so let’s not act like one is above the other.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I agree with E, I think last night was an anomaly for him. He’ll be alright.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Westbrook shot 2.7 less shots then him per game, this season. 17 to 19.7 – Its not a new problem, last night it was just the reason they lost. Westbrook had a higher usage rate this season then Durant. What’s the excuse for that? that’s 82 games.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I hate usage rates.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rose is lightyears ahead of Westbrook in understanding the PG position. I’m not trying to make it sound like that, I am saying it is like that. Turning the ball over is a mistake, missing shots is missing shots. Shooting 12 more shots, h3ll shooting near the same amount of shots as the best scorer in the league is not excusable from a POINT GUARD. And he did that every single game. Westbrook is a very good player, but he’s not a very good point guard.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    What’s a usage rate?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @jtaylor one is above the other

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose has to shoot a lot too. Westbrook shoots a lot out of greed. Does anyone have any way of finding out how many shots Westbrook shot without making a pass into the offense last night? (synergy sports) Also how many shots he put up between 16 and 20 feet from the hoop. (most of which were contested) -Those would be telling stats

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Each time one of the top point guards in the league has a great or horrible game, is it really necessary to compare them to Derrick Rose?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No I don’t compare guys to Derrick Rose unless its about a previous conversation I’ve had. – I didn’t compare Chris Paul to Rose yesterday, and Paul had the best game of the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Last night was an anomaly in the sense that he shot that many more shots than Durant.
    It was perfectly in character as far as the shots Westbrook took and the game he played. He always takes those shots. Every singe game. Usually Durant just gets more shots as well.
    Westbrook is still learning, but I like his attitude. He doesn’t care at all. No back down.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, the reason why is because their games mirror each other. Both are shoot-first PG, both hovered around 44FG%, both players lack elite court vision and both are good rebounders for the position.
    NBK, CP’s supporting cast is average so why doesn’t he take as many shots as Rose does?
    I mean isn’t tha your excuse for why DRose takes as many shots as he does, shouldn’t that be the case for CP also?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    His courage or whatever you wanna call it is great. I just wish he would slow the F down and realize he has a guy who can get a better shot the majority of the time right next to him. Its not like Westbrook is a knockdown shooter, I found a shot chart from Westbrook last season, he had 2 spots outside 15 feet where he shot 40%. All of the rest are under 35%. So unless Westbrook has become a knockdown midrange shooter I don’t see any reason for him to put up those shots, unless he has made an enormous leap in shooting % from those distances since last year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Uhm no that’s not Chris Paul’s game. Why are you under the assumption that all PG’s should be playing the same way? Derrick Rose is the best scoring option on his team so he scores and shoots the most, it’s Chicago’s gameplan. You aren’t going to seriously try and tell me Russell Westbrook is more of an offensive option then Kevin Durant in OKC’s offense are you? ANd your not under the impression Westbrook would get 17 shots a game if he played off the ball next to Durant are you? – We all know that Oklahoma City’s offense is better without Russell Westbrook right? Because it is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    personally, I believe his mid range, particularly the pull up, is bananas. I expect all of those shots to go in. Now, his long distance shots are a problem. He shoots way too many three pointers. But I’m comfortable with the mid range.
    I think he should just take more them after running the offense, and not so many after sprinting down on a 1 on 4 break all by himself.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and Chris Paul is scoring the most points for New Orleans in the playoffs Taylor. – And Chris Paul is clearly a better PG then Rose, I absolutely don’t understand brining Paul into this conversation actually.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor, I don’t just mean comparing Rose to Westbrook, I mean comparing Rose to every other PG almost every time they have a great/horrible game.
    Look back and see for yourself.
    Chris Paul will have a great game, and many go on about how superior he is to Rose.
    Rondo has a great game, same thing.
    And it works both ways, someone has a bad game, and people wanna compare him to Rose either favorably or unfavorably.
    It doesn’t bother me, I mean no basketball-related topic should be off limits on here in my opinion, but it’s just mind-boggling because I can’t think of any other NBA player whose name inevitably will pop up whenever another player at his position has a game worth mentioning.
    It’s kind of like Rose has become the League’s “Official Point Guard Measuring Stick”.
    I’d rather we discuss Westbrook and Westbrook alone in this case, but it’s all good.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    We all know that Oklahoma City’s offense is better without Russell Westbrook right? Because it is.
    Soop, care to elaborate? Are you saying OKC would be better off with Westbrook scoring more in like the 12 – 15 ppg range?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    We can discuss Westbrook alone that’s fine with me. Infact I’d rather compare Westbrook to Eric Maynor that will outline my point, as Maynor is offensively a better PG then Westbrook IMO. (He’s not a better offensive player don’t get it twisted.)

  • J-MAC

    Wouldnt Westbrook take more shots if he played for the Bulls? Can a guy have one off game?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I mean when Westbrook is sitting on the bench. And Maynor is running the team Oklahoma City is better on offense. They score more points, shoot a higher %, turn the ball over less. A 3% increase in assisted field goals also takes place when Westbrook sits down. They are just flat out a better offense with Maynor instead of Westbrook. (But much worse defensively)

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Hold up, what’s that one advanced stat used to see how good a point guard someone is? PPR or something like that? Hell I only know about it cause of NBA 2K11…what’s Westbrook’s compared to Maynor’s?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Pure Point Rating is just Assists to Turnover Ratio adjusted per 48 minutes I believe.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t know a website that uses that stat.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    TPU is mad slow today…

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, I guess you rather have Eric Freaking Maynor out there running the offense than Westbrook, huh?
    Where they do that at?

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, the reason why Rose is always brought up in comparison to other PGs is because he’s the most talked about PG, the soon to be MVP and some have proclaimed his 10/11 season the most dominant for a PG since Magic.
    Whether it’s fair or not, who knows but it comes with the territory.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    If I could have Maynor run the offense and disappear and turn into Westbrook in literally every other aspect of the game then yeah

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Enigmatic: It’s pretty obvious that thats a good thing for Rose. He is in the Kobe, LeBron, KD, Wade placement in basketball where you have to compare everyone of the best at their position to the 1 or 2 guys under them. Congrats to him really, and as Arnie would say, “Stop Whining!”

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Who’s whining?
    I said it doesn’t bother me, I’m more fascinated by it than anything else.
    But whatever you say, SonicShow.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You really are Mr. Sensitive aren’t you? You whine like a lil b*tch everytime Rose’s name is brought up, so just calm the f*ck down. And i literally hope that the Bulls leave Chicago like the Sonics did to Seattle just so i can laugh in your face like u do to me everytime u do that, you f*cking douche. No offense man.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ lol don’t call someone sensitive and expose all your little sensitive frustrations. sensitive little sonics fan.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    LMAO!!!!
    Nah, I’m not sensitive in the least.
    But apparently you are.
    And you can literally hope until you go blue in the face, but number one in attendence for I lost count how many years running, and third largest market in the US?
    It ain’t happening.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ooh big brother NBK to the rescue. Go argue someone on PPRPN statistics or something. sensitive lil Eric Maynor lover.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no offense man. lol wth is wrong with you. do you not know what calling someone a douche is? its offensive.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    stop flexing your iq, your threatening triple digits.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    It’s also offensive to make fun of someone for losing their franchise to some bastards in the MIDWEST. Feel me. You two Gents just lost my respect, but it appears as if that word is not within your triple digit IQ so nevermind. So until you learn to respect other people don’t expect any from me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you are the person came on here all confrontational. Then I pointed out you were being sensitive in your little “stop whining”/”mr sensitive” rant so I let you know. Because I don’t understand being a hypocrit, especially without pause, or even hitting the enter button. I called you a sensitive little sonics fan, thats the ONLY thing I said to you that you can take as “offensive” – you’ll get a team again, no need to be sensitive about being called a sonics fan, especially if that’s what you really are. I don’t want your respect if you think you can come on here and hypocritically call someone out disrespectfully. Your a contradictory moron who doesn’t fully grasp what your saying. And I meant that as offensive.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I don’t make fun of fans for losing their franchise because something like that is of no fault of the fans.
    Actually I was mostly making fun of your flip-flopping allegiance from the Sonics to the Lakers.
    If I wanted to make fun of you for losing your franchise I’d tell you to run along and go watch Sonicsgate with your Sonics Payton jersey and Slick Watts headband while clutching a stuffed Squatch with one hand and throwing darts at a picture of Clay Bennett with the other…again.
    All while wearing a Lakers Payton jersey under that Sonics Payton jersey, of course.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lmao

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Class Ats is all i got to say for you gentlemen. CLASS ACTS. (cap locks for you NBK) Oh and go re-read my first post. Highly offensive i know….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Enigmatic: It’s pretty obvious that thats a good thing for Rose. He is in the Kobe, LeBron, KD, Wade placement in basketball where you have to compare everyone of the best at their position to the 1 or 2 guys under them. Congrats to him really, and as Arnie would say, “Stop Whining!”
    Enigmatic Posted: Apr.26 at 4:47 pm
    Who’s whining?
    I said it doesn’t bother me, I’m more fascinated by it than anything else.
    But whatever you say, SonicShow.
    LakeShow Posted: Apr.26 at 4:53 pm
    You really are Mr. Sensitive aren’t you? You whine like a lil b*tch everytime Rose’s name is brought up, so just calm the f*ck down. And i literally hope that the Bulls leave Chicago like the Sonics did to Seattle just so i can laugh in your face like u do to me everytime u do that, you f*cking douche. No offense man – (your clearly the one who needs to reread the exchange. You said matic was whining, he said he wasn’t, called you “sonicshow” which isn’t offensive and is actually true (according to you) and then you said that highly offensive, stupid, contradictory comment. – why does it have to be broken down? can’t you just seperate yourself from the situation and use that thing inbetween your ears, what’s it called again?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Nah, your first post wasn’t offensive. My response wasn’t meant to be either.
    You playfully clowned me, I playfully clowned you back.
    It’s all good, we all get heated when certain topics are brought up on here.
    For most of us it’s when loved ones are brought up, but apparently for you it’s the “S” word.
    Noted.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I know that “stop whining” comment was terribly uncalled for. I can’t believe I just came on this website and told someone to ( in reference to a arnold schwarzenegger quote) “stop whining.” Seriously where is my between the ears these days. I should repent to AllenP for my slam-transgressions.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Enigmatic just regained my respect. I know no one cares about that anymore, so take that how you will. I fully admit that I am extremely sensitive about the Sonics. I was co-president of the S.O.S. (save our sonics) Anyway sorry Enig back to basketball fellas.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    noone cares about the stop whining comment dude. Its the second one, where your cussing, calling matic a “f’ing” douchebag, – that comment. nobody said anything offensive in the least bit to you to deserve that stupid comment. why do you think you get some kind of free “disrespect who i’m talking too” pass? You would have been called out by me no matter who you said that too, it was unnecessary, and stupid – also made you look highly sensitive, while calling someone else out for the same thing. Thus you looked like a stupid hypocrit.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Your arms are too short to repent to AllenP.
    …or something like that…

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    My last post was playful clowning again, BTW.
    That goes for you too, Allen.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Quick to spit Allenp name on sh*t, make my name taste like ass when you speak it…

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    See him on the site, your jewelry you can keep it
    That be y’all little secret…

  • T-Money

    westbrook’s only problem is that he doesn’t believe that kd is better than him. confidence in your abilities is an admirable trait but it can also hurt the greater good.

  • MJnotKobe

    NBK: It’s you’re, not your.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LMAO thank you! I had no idea

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    Westbrook was trying to pull off his best Kobe impression last night nuff said.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^^ Did he try and go off for 81 and the win?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    i assumed no one was awake today or either really freaking busy at work, i had a meeting so i stopped commenting.
    but tonights a good night, bulls on the verge of closing the pacers, and right after its the blackhawks game.
    im tellin you chicago guys, hop on this now before you’re an annoying bandwagoner like me, they came back 0-3 to force game 7!
    i see you eboy, i don’t know what the team is in miami but i bet the blackhawks would whup em! haha (i know absolutely nothing on the sport, yet)

  • JTaylor21

    Ha, Steve Kerr just called Boozer a “stripper down low”. Next up on the stage is Booz the “screaming stripper”

  • http://bulls.com airs

    omg. thanks for that visual jtaylor. dammit.

  • http://wwww.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    howdy. more westbrook vs rose? havent you all grown tired of that?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Never. Like Malone V Barkley. Stockton V Kidd (that’s a new one I’m starting soon) or Eddy Curry V Krispy Kreme

  • http://wwww.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    also, props for the “lost in the hood” reference. if that is indeed what youre getting at.

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    Here’s what I don’t get: If Chicago is loaded with so many wing “stoppers” (Bogans, Brewer, Deng) then how come Granger routinely gets his buckets? Last time I read on the comments section, Danny’s an overpaid, overrated bum.

  • http://chicagonow.com/sports/bulls Diesel

    Tarzan, you still thinking its stupid to say the Spurs probably won’t win it all?

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