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Wednesday, April 27th, 2011 at 8:57 am  |  230 responses

Post Up: Rise and Shine

Kobe lifts Lakers to Game 5 win; Bulls advance.

Chicago 116, Indiana 89

It took five games, but the Chicago Bulls finally imposed their will and crushed any and all belief that the Indiana Pacers could actually hang with them. The first four games were tough—both physically and mentally—and really could have gone either way, but when it came time to close the series out, Chicago not only did so in convincing fashion, but in the manner in which led them to 62 regular season wins.

The offense was crisp and the defense, suffocating. By the time Indiana figured out how deep of a hole they were in, the Bulls were already kicking dirt on top of them. A lot of credit should be given to Indiana because of the way that they fought in the series, but when it counted the most, they didn’t fight hard enough.

Derrick Rose led the Bulls past the first round in the Playoffs (an inevitability), making it one less thing that his detractors, or those who feel like he’s been getting a little too much attention this season, can use against him now. He came out like a man on a mission, sprained ankle be damned, and shredded the Pacers defense all night. Whether it was shooting the jumper or attacking the rim, this time, Indiana had no answers. He was not going to be stopped.

Rose also got help from Joakim Noah—whose grandfather flew all the way from Cameroon to see him play in his first NBA game—Luol Deng, Keith Bogans (Carlos Boozer, where are you?), and the notorious “Bench Mob.” All played extremely well and finally looked like the capable supporting cast that Bulls fans know they can be.

The first round was a test and Chicago passed it. Now, the second round awaits. Something Bulls fans haven’t been able to say for a long time. —Bryan Crawford (@_BryanCrawford)

Orlando 101, Atlanta 76

The Magic finally clicked from start to finish, turning a potential elimination game into a blowout victory. The first quarter set the tone as the Magic limited the Hawks to 13 points on 3 of 19 field goals despite Dwight Howard playing only six minutes due to two early fouls.

The Magic found their outside shot, as they hit 11 of 26 threes (42.3 percent) compared to 21 of 96 (21.9 percent) entering Game 5. JJ Redick provided a huge boost off the bench, scoring 14 points on 6 of 8 shooting, but surprisingly attempting zero three-point field goals.

After Jamal Crawford and Joe Johnson scored 25 and 20 points, respectively, in Game 4, they combined for 13 points on 4 of 20 field goals in Game 5. After missing the previous game due to suspension, Jason Richardson scored 17 points on 6 of 14 field goals, including 3 of 6 from beyond the arc.

While Orlando dominated from start to finish, Howard had an uncharacteristically quiet game. He scored 8 points on 1 of 4 shooting and grabbed 8 boards. Who would have thought that the Magic would lose a game in which Howard recorded 46 points and 19 rebounds, but would decisively win a game in which he totaled 8 and 8?

The Hawks lead the series 3-2 and have a second chance to eliminate the Magic on Thursday in Game 6 at Philips Arena. —Tracy Weissenberg

L.A. Lakers 106, New Orleans 90

Oh, who were you kidding?

This Hornets mini-run, scare-like thing was fun while it lasted. These are the sort of flings the Lakers have when they’re bored in the suburbs, want to scare their dad, want to dance all night until they feel alive, etc. etc. etc.

But it’s over now. The Lakers have to get a real job to pay rent. They outclassed the Hornets last night, winning 106-90.

A reporter asked Pau Gasol if they were making a concerted effort to play physically, to fight for rebounds with some actual zeal.

“We should do that all the time,” he said.

I should get my taxes in on time all the time. I should have a salad instead of two bags of Skittles all the time. Etc. etc. etc. Work, work, work.

There are people in this press conference room saying things like, “The Hornets crumbled like a stale…” Then they’re naming a food product.

Har-dee-har-har.

No, they didn’t.

The Hornets are one great player, Chris Paul—a shining, beautiful light buzzing gracefully, or whatever; he’s probably the best player in the playoffs—and he’s surrounded by a bunch of complete horses**t cap fillers. Their second-best player tonight was the fifth or sixth-best player on the Lakers when they won the Finals two years ago. Their third-best player was cast off the Raptors in a hurry before training camp ended so he wouldn’t mess up the promising young career of Alexis Ajinca.

Kobe only played 28 minutes. The first eight were very, very sketchy. But 20 minutes of a good, semi-bipedal Kobe Bryant is better than 48 minutes of any Hornet not named Chris Paul.

It’s unfair to Chris Paul to say this team crumbled. This team is barely a playoff team held up on one beam at the middle, and that’s exactly what their record says.

You could say the coaching was a wash, too, for three quarters. Then there was 7:22 left, the Hornets were down by 15, and Chris Paul still wasn’t back in the game. I don’t care what sort of perfect Princeton/Triangle combo you might be running. That doesn’t work. Monty Williams didn’t manage his only player correctly tonight and he was their only chance.

“There was more of a focus to be physical tonight. I know you guys saw it. A lot of it was… not basketball,” said Williams. “Our guys are going down when he goes to the basket.”

Yeah, because the Lakers finally decided to play like the team that they are.

They asked Kobe about the physicality afterwards. Kobe, the one with the sprained ankle, laughed.

“All this talk about his ankle—did it look like his ankle was hurting? Okay, then. That’s why I don’t get into all of it,” said Williams. “It is what it is.”

Don’t ruin our fling, Monty. Don’t get bitter. What we had was beautiful, but we have to move on, etc. etc. etc. —Ben Collins

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  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobe doing work and showed why he is one of the greatest players ever. Kobe played well after the 1st qtr and the DUNK was great to show he still has it. I have stated it before, Three Peat Coming. BOOK IT!!

  • bull22

    INDIANA PACER FANS and NY KNICK FANS,
    SILENCE IS GOLDEN…… HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • bull22

    the pacers can now join carmelo and amare on the hudson river fishing…… i heard they are calling it “fishes for whiners and losers”…. hahahhahahahahahahahaha

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    There were Pacer fans?

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    Congrats to d.rose…but remember bandwagon Chicago fans( enigmatic, airs NOT you guys) y’all would be Down 3-1 if the pacers could execute down the stretch

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    Bulls22 see my comment above

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Great TEAM win for the Lakers last night. The Killers B’s gave championship level bench contributions. The starting five was extremely solid. Odom displayed his versatility. The effort on the glass was outstanding. Kobe’s ankle seemed to just limit his minutes and some of his range of movement early, but it did not limit his drive (or ups apparently). Hopefully they can close it out in six and starting prepping for the Mavs or Blazers.

  • Mr. Chill

    Give credit to the bulls, they deserve the win and advance. A force to be dealt with. A cold breeze needs to befall the lakers because I’m tired of seeing them. Mavs need to close out Portland and get ready for the 2nd round.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Good to see the Magic play the way they’re supposed to. They need their perimeter guys to slash to the lane and create offense. Jameer, JRich, Gil, and even JJ to some extent are able to get into the lane yet decided not to the first 4 games. If SVG can press his team to play the same way, Orlando is headed for the 2nd round.

  • bull22

    @datkid i give the pacers credit for their hard effort and like i said when this series started they will be a 47 to 50 win team next year….
    so yeah i respect the pacers franchise even though their coach ran his mouth alot.. but those games could have gone either way but fortunately our calling card has been defense the whole season..

  • http://bugmarley.com Bug Marley

    horses**t cap fillers? Stay classy ben.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Let’s not buy into that ankle-hype-business. Kobe was obviously ok and played a very good game and threw down a couple of great dunks. If LAL play like this; inside-out they are very very tough.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Crickets when the Lakers dominate. I’ll get used to it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @DatKid, the Bulls were down IF Indiana could execute down the strecht. Come on man, The Bulls would be down if Indiana had MJ, the Bulls would be down if 3ß1 if Roy Hibbert and Granger were the 2nd coming of Shaq and Kobe. Just stop it, it all counts, the what if game can go on for ever. If Drose did not have a bum ankle, they would have swept them…

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I’d like to offer my congratulations to the “baby” Bulls for getting out of the first round! So what if they struggled with the pesky Pacers. Who cares? Not you. The Bulls are in the 2nd round for the 2nd time in the post Jordan era. This is a time to be excited. The heck with the haters! What a great day to hit the Navy Pier and ride that Ferris Wheel and scream once you are at the top, “Da Bulls are back in the 2nd round!” Then after you’ve worked up an appetite, have yourself a nice big piece of deep dish pizza on the streets of the Windy City in your Chi-Town state of mind! Stay connected baby! SMH

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Tough win by L.A…..Keep it up

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    After the Spurs win at home tonight, both the Hawks and the Grizzlies will be in the same boat: Win game 6 at home or lose in 7 on the road.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Didn’t Orange say that Chicago wouldn’t even GET to the 2nd round tho?
    And shout out to the homie Eboy who sent a personal congrats to me this morning for the Bulls closing out in convincing fashion. Real (fans) recognize real (fans).

  • http://bulls.com airs

    not much time so quick notes:
    taj gibson > carlos boozer.
    hell at this point, baseball > carlos boozer. real talk.
    Lu is STILL one of the most underrated SF’s in the game.
    pacers are salty as hell, i smell rivalry in the upcoming years.
    and joakim noah’s sister is a stone cold fox.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    Stan Van punking the media for the way they treat Dwight was pretty epic. I feel like a large percentage of the people in that press room had to go home and re-evaluate them selves.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    CP pulled a Rasheed for a sec. in the postgame PC. ‘both teams played hard’, indeed.
    Funny ish.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @airs, baseball > carlos boozer, LOL. I feel like I could be playing for Booz right now, atleast Im doing something.

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    @Eboy: if there are Pacers fans out there I hope they retain their pride and not do a 360 and root for the Bulls from here on out tho. That’d just be embarrassing. Least they showed some toughness and didn’t get swept though, their future is bright.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/04/danny-granger-bulls-easier-to-beat-than-celtics/ IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Bryan Crawford: (Click my name for proof) Once the playoff seeds were set, before the Bulls/Pacers series started I said, “Pacers will win a game, maybe two.” I knew the Pacers weren’t ready. However, after how close the Pacers played the Bulls in the first two games, I was a little surprised, which led me to suggest it wouldn’t really be a SHOCKER if the Pacers somehow pushed the series to 7 games. Heck, if not for some friendly whistles and a little luck for the Bulls, that series very well could have gone 7 games. I take my hat off to those pesky Pacers!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You always root for the team that knocked you out of the Playoffs. That’s fan protocol… With exceptions of course. For example…
    When Boston knocked out Chicago 3 years ago, I was rooting for them to make the Finals, but rooting for Kobe/LA in the Finals.
    But when Cleveland knocked Chicago out last year, I was rooting for them to go down in flames.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Did I hear right that Popcorn Muscles has turf toe?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I want to see Kobe’s birth certificate.

  • http://de Thawindy

    Pacers did play hard and credit goes out to their coach for a great turn around season. Boozer sucks and I hope he gets in foul trouble every game. I got my line up of Rose, Deng, Noah and Gibson and they played like I thought they would. I’ve lost some respect for DG and the Pacers head coach. Take your L’s like a man. Maybe one game but to say yall should have swept is just crazy. They needed to stop more than Rose and they couldnt . Now all you other Rose haters can continue to ,”No what I said was Rose…” for the rest of the day.

  • J-MAC

    Can we talk about how real Kobe is? Anybody questioning rather he IS the best player of this generation is blowed! Airs–she is BAD!!!

  • T-Money

    am i the only one that caught steve kerr saying that booz was “much more of a stripper down low”? haha.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Sometimes I hate how silent it is in TPU when the teams that are supposed to win, actually win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Not to take anything away from Kobe’s great dunk moment, but didn’t he score 19 pts last night? I mean, yesterday Laker/Kobe slurpers were saying Kobester might go off for 50 because, you know, he was going to make a point that he was not injured. Those days are long over, people. Stop fantasizing.

  • T-Money

    melvin: i think you meant 180.

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    @jahmai not the point man..I’m just saying pacers can’t execute and made thugs competitive.but I get your point.
    @bulls22 I can’t believe I’m saying this…. but I feel you

  • T-Money

    lost a case so i’m feeling extra snarky this morning!

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Excusez moi, M. Noah? Mais comment est-il possible que vous étès si moche avec une souer comme ça?
    Translation: let’s see that paternity test, Yannick.

  • J-MAC

    Why would Kobe need to go for 50…thats not the business. I think he sees the big picture…dont you?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ask his people…..they continually embarrass themselves and his legacy.

  • T-Money

    Dark: Tu parles français?! Fallait le dire!

  • J-MAC

    Do you think he’d embarrass the naysayers if he threepeats?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Orange, the Pacers were a sprained ankle away from being swept. My series prediction was 4-1, but Indy didn’t win the game that I thought they would’ve which was Game 3. When they went down in that one, I did think they were probably going to get swept.
    The whole “luck” nonsense and blaming the refs is ridiculous tho. A lot of people complained that DRose was getting superstar calls, and to an extent, that may be true. But with the exception of Game 4, he was aggressive the entire series. He forced the refs to have to make those calls.
    Jumpshooters, which is basically what the Pacers are as a team, don’t get calls like that. Besides, look at all the ticky tack fouls that got called on Boozer. His poor play notwithstanding, some of those calls were just unreal.

  • QQQQQ!

    danny granger is a lame!

    FROBE-esque dunk last night by the mamba!

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Not as well as i used to, T. Hardly use it anymore, but nice surprise to see you utilizing “la langue”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    .//^ ^\\
    (/(_•_)\)
    ._/”*”\_ LETS GO HEAT!!!!
    (,,,)^(,,,)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If you guys are going to speak French, I’m bringing in the Snoopy Heat!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @QQQQQ!, im lovin “frobe-esque” hahah.
    and guys, seriously, noah’s sister is a dime.

  • Riggs

    joakim noah’s sister is a dime.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Joakim’s sister looks just like him though! That’s why I can’t understand a grown man calling him ugly but saying his sister is hot.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Shout out @ Tonton Zack and Solene (Jo Noah’s grandfather and sister).
    And shout out @ BC 4 mentioning CAMEROON in TPU.

  • T-Money

    E, tous mes commentaires seront en français à partir de maintenant. kidding! / i know this is going to sound like i’m hating but the ankle wasn’t that bad. you know how i know that? because kobe didn’t get an mri, that’s why. you think gary vitti and, more importantly, jerry buss are letting a 30-million dollar a year take the court w/o an mri if it’s serious? please.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Yeah I thought Jo’s sister was nice the first time they showed her too, but then they kept showing her and I realized she basically looks identical to noah and it made me feel dirty for thinking like that.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    T-Money tu parles Francais aussi man? T’es mon commentateur prefere down here, j’admire ta connaissance du basket et ton anglais est parfait, not like mine…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    She’s cute….but she does look like Joakim….I mean,that’s kind of gross.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    damn comments not showing up

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    guys, cmon. shes his sister of course they’ll be some resemblance. but cmon:
    http://tinyurl.com/3r7a5tp

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Always room for Snoopy, E.
    Bring it on.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Someone get Danny Granger a tissue. Seriously, stop pushing guys, I mean it!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe did not dominate last night. Did know one see the stat where at one point L.A were +16 with Kobe on the bench, and 0 with him on the court. The Hornets were never actually in the game, whatever the score line was. It was similar to game 2. CP was coasting a little. Game 6 we will see a different energy from CP than we have seen all season. I fully expect the Hornets to take it to 7.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    That’s Joakim in makeup, airs. I’m good…

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    BC, remember when you told me the Hornets would do nothing in the post season with out West. This may still be nothing to you, but CP has been the best player of the post season, and the Hornets have won 2 more games than the “experts” predicted. 2 more, and counting.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    +/- is the worst indicator of ones impact on the game. Don’t you think NOLA shooting 80% in the first quarter and building a 10-point lead on that had something to do with the misleading stat?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think the Hornets will push it to 7 too…..I thought they’d be blown out from the jump last night….not go into the half down 3. The Lakers are going to fight for their playoff lives in Game 7…but they’ll get it done. This is good news for the rest of the West though.

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    Noah’s sister is hot. I’d hit. Her features are pretty feminine so I’m cool saying that. She does look like Noah though

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    AllBall, if the Lakers were playing up to their potential on both sides of the ball, this series might already be over.
    And since when has CP3 been the best player this postseason? Who decided this?

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    BC, advanced stats did, duh!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    BC, what does that have to do with anything? They have played 5 games, the Hornets have out played them twice.
    CP has been putting up historical numbers, and has a team with out its leading scorer and rebounder in an actual series with the champs. If CP is not the best player this post season, who is?
    Nicolas Fleming, I think you were going for humour there, but it back fired. It has nothing to do with his advanced metrics, you can look at his raw statistics and watch the 5 games and easily come to that opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Nicolas Fleming, don’t you think Kobe’s two huge dunks have a lot more to do with people exaggerating his impact? Yes he scored the ball and shot a high %, but he was on the bench for a long stretch and the Lakers did not miss him.

  • http://snakeskinroundball.tumblr.com/ Myles Brown

    Chris Paul has been the best player this postseason. It’s not even close.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    AllBall, it has everything to do with it. The Lakers in round one have not been the same team that steamrolled everybody post All-Star break. You can look at them and see that.
    And unless CP3 actually leads his team to victory over LA, his “historical” numbers won’t mean a thing. I’m sure he’d tell you the same thing if NO winds up losing this series.
    Lastly, I don’t know and I don’t care who the best player this postseason has been. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that counts now is win and advance.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    AllBall, yes CP3 has been sick in these playoffs and yes the advanced stats comment was a joke and yes, I will even agree that the two dunks made Kobe’s impact seem more impressive than it probably was, but those got the fans and the team into it and anytime your team gets dunked on like that, it’s a little demoralizing. But I refuse to believe the Lakers are 16 points better with Kobe off the court than they are with him on the floor.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Lakers who steam rolled everybody at the All-Star break did not play anyone at the level CP has played in the Hornets two wins.
    I agree, he would say that, but having them in this position is impressive nonetheless.
    Ok, well anyone who has watched the majority of the games would come to the conclusion that CP has been the best player. True, that is what matters, but having that roster in this position is not a complete loss going into next year, even if they go out in 6.
    Nicolas, I don’t think the Lakers are 16 points better with out him, or even were last night, I just know that his impact has been over stated. Reading some L.A papers they are talking ridiculous for a guy who had 19 points and has been totally out played by a fellow All-Star this post season.

  • J-MAC

    Its not about stats obviously game changing plays and intangibles trump stats a lot of the time. Lakers are going to win game 6 imo. I think they’re through playing around.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    J-MAC, CP has made countless game changing plays, and possesses all the intangibles needed. Combine that with his ridiculous statistics, you have a pretty dominant post season so far.

  • J-MAC

    AllBall–CP3 has played a great series and has resolidified himself as a top pg. However Kobe has done the same only as the top player in the league. His stats may not show that but playing through injury making game changing plays and leading his team the by example is what I am talking about.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If I was a GM and told you can either have Kobe, or Pau and Bynum but not all 3, I would take Pau and Bynum everytime, without hesitation, just sayin. – Who is better in ya’ll all time list, John Stockton or Jason Kidd? I was wondering this today, not who had a better career, but at their best, who was the better player?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    CP has re solidified himself as THE top PG. Kobe is no longer the best player in the L, and has not been for a few years. CP has been playing with injuries this series, through injuries all season. How many game changing plays has Kobe made over five games? CP has made more. CP leads his team in every way, by example included.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I would take Pau and Bynum too. If Kobe was 28 instead of 32 I don’t think I would, though.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jason Kidd in his early NJ days seemed to have an un-real ability to control the game with out actually doing anything. I am not getting into who was better at their peak, I have not watched enough Stockton.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Kobe was playing hurt, not playing injured…. that why he felt as if he did not need the MRI

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    For the past 2 years, I have thought Kobe Bryant was the best wing player in the L, mainly because I was not a fan of the media’s insistence of crowning Bron before he had won anything. During this series, it has not been Bryant that scares me, it has been Bynum. Last year, a lot of people thought Gasol was the Finals MVP, and both he and Artest made big plays that otherwise may have prevented the Lakers from winning the title. Kobe is still top 5 in the L, but if it were not for his teams ability to rebound on both sides of the ball, his inefficient games would be magnified, and losses would be more frequent.

  • J-MAC

    DRose is the top pg imo. We could go round bout that all day though. Again its not the stats and the numbers its the leadership and the intangibles…bottom line. NBK–if somebody told you you could have Lebron or DWADE and Bosh who would you take…Dwade and Bosh EVERYTIME. What is your point fam?

  • http://chicagonow.com/sports/bulls Diesel

    CP3 has had a great few games. But the dude shot 12 shots last night in a game where his team needed his scoring. Games like last night are what drive me crazy about CP3. And I do think he’s had the best performances in the post season so far, but I think Rose and Dwight are right there with him…its not “not even close”. I’m rooting for NO but I have to agree with BC…if NO loses the next game, CP3′s performances won’t mean anything in the long run.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Your right lol, lets not go there. How ever, Paul has leadership, intangibles, and a phenomenal bball i.q.

  • J Dilla

    Kobe n Paul are both great players. I’ll take Kobe, players like Kobe don’t come around often, good point guards enter the league every year. Kobe is a game changer…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That’s not the same. Dwyane Wade is a top 5 player in the league, Pau and Bynum aren’t. I would still take LeBron though.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If CP’s game 1 and game 4 are great, then any other games this year are only good. Last night he should have shot more, but is it that far fetch that he knew they would be coming back there for game 7 anyway?
    I don’t think Rose or Dwight are right there. Rose is at, what, 35% and 21%, and in 3 of the 4 wins they were unimpressive. Dwight has lost 3 games to an inferior team.
    I disagree, Paul’s reputation as a post season menace has been confirmed, and the NO should be a decent option for FA’s this year. Also, they might actually get onto national TV once or twice next regular season!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Paul is more than just a ‘good’ PG. If Kobe is a game changer, what the hell has CP been this series?! A game decider? I’ll take that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    New Orleans can’t sign anyone. Lets make sure you realize that, they have no money. – Chris Paul is going to get traded in the next year, unless New Orleans wants to be Cleveland 2.0 – Dwight will also be traded if Orlando isn’t a title contender next season.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And we are talking about Kobe being a game changer in a game which Paul outscored him on less shots, had more assists, and more rebounds.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    New Orleans have a lot of guys coming off the books, i’m not into the salary cap side but from reading the Hornets blogs it seems they can add 1/2 decent pieces. By off the books, they have some restricted guys that are expected to opt out.
    I don’t think Chris Paul will be traded next year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Just, Chris Paul + David West + Emeka Okafor + Trevor Ariza + Jarret Jack = $48,437,257.00 — That’s over the current salary cap, let alone whatever it will be next year, with just 5 players.

  • J-MAC

    Dwight is a center though and the gaurds/perimeter players have not been holding up their end of the deal…Hedo mainly. nbk–so Pau isnt a top 5 big in the league? Bynum isnt in the convo as a top 10 big? Taking Lebron over DWADE and Bosh doesnt make since from a bball standpoint but if your a fan it does.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That’s next years salaries. And its all guaranteed.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Your 1:46 comment was a good reply to my 1:46 comment, and you didn’t even know what I was going to write.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lmao

  • JTaylor21

    So because CP didn’t chuck last night like quite a few PGs are fond of, you’re down on him?
    Come on son, dude had a very efficient night, needing only 12 shots to get 20pts while dishing out 12 assists, during his epic GM1 and GM4 performances, dude only took 18 and 14 shots.
    We are now living in a time when a PG scores 30+pts on 25 shots, racks up 6 assists and turns over the ball 6 times is regarded as a great game, so I could see why some people feel that CP didn’t do enough last night.

  • J Dilla

    I don’t think u need to have a great pg to win championships in this league. Case in point when CP3 had that great year n should have won the MVP(IMO)…what two pg was he watching in the finals.

  • http://chicagonow.com/sports/bulls Diesel

    CP3′s game 1 and 4 were great performances. Other players have had great performances this year as well. Lets stop acting like CP3 is putting on some other worldly displays and rewritting the history books because he’s crossing up bynum and scoring on a 2 guard whose ego won’t let him admitt he’s too slow to gaurd a point gaurd.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    J – look at NBA history and show me how many times the best player loses. That should answer your question about LeBron v Wade and Bosh. (you could also just look at Miami and see they are better with just LeBron then Wade & Bosh) – Pau is a top 5 big, not a top 5 player. Dwyane Wade is a top 5 player. Its irrelevant, I would take LeBron. – IMO LeBron is clearly better then Kobe, i’ve explained my position on here countless times, i’m not getting into that debate.

  • J Dilla

    Cosign Diesel the Lakers are notorious for allowing pg to go off on them.

  • J-MAC

    To compare pgs and to say whos better among the the top say 5 pgs is all situational imo. For example the Knicks would flourish with CP3 because he is a great playmaker and would rather dish and set guys up. DRose who has a scorers mentality fits better with the Bulls because he has to score so being on a team where he is the first scoring option works best for him imo. Russ is more like a DRose and Rondo is more like CP3. Dwill is somewhere in between.

  • HAMMER

    Finally back n the Eastern Semis after 13 yrs. Personally I don’t count ’07. That was fugazi. And Booz is a no show. But what else is new? Very frusturating tho!

  • O

    Kobe faked his injury. THats why he didnt want an MRI. So he could play through the “pain” and viewed as a super baller. And while LeBron is better than Kobe, Kobe is THE MAN. LeBron hopped in D-Wade & C-Bosh’s d*ck cause “there won’t be pressure to go out and score 30 points a night.”

    Real men don’t mind pressure because pressure makes diamonds. Hence, Kobe has s fistful of ice and LBJ…

  • MJnotKobe

    Interesting how the people here who downplay Paul’s performances and impact on the game are all Rose fans.

  • bull22

    @O yep, been saying that since yesterday, and no one in my office including one lakers fan believed his mularkey… this joker sure picked up zen well from phil in playing mind games with the fans,opponent and media… his quote “i accepted the challenge” please…
    he must not have a happy life…

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    O just made me laugh, shake my head, give my computer a confused look and type a response.
    O has received my vote for most tremendous post of the day.

  • J-MAC

    nbk–I’ve watched plenty of Heat games and I dont see where LeBron by himself on the court is better then Wade and Bosh. Back to the original question I would take Kobe. Bynum is still learning post moves and even though he’s a good rebounder LO could pick up the slack. Pau couldnt be replaced but Pau cant lead a team and close a game like the #1 closer (voted by the players) in the game. Probably be a 5 or 6th seed team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It is shame we have down one player to praise another.
    But with.that said, eff Kobe and his Pierce-like injury and while CP3 needs to shoot more dude is still putting fantastic numbers up.
    Dwight and Paul have been equally amazing but Dwight has been losing. Paul wins.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If chris Paul can win all those games with the hirnets on one leg he would have been just fine in chicago.

  • tRay

    Great game by the Lakers they took advantage of there size and all around talent. Every knew Kobe was hyping his injury nothing new there lol and shout out to the real Bulls fans on here for having some class after advancing.

  • HAMMER

    In the postgame interview a reporter told Kobe that Shanon Brown had said that Kobe hadn’t dunked liked that since he had a fro. And Kobe said “Yeah. And he was two.” Haha! Awesome dunk by KB8 tho. Mos def turned back the clock on that one

  • J-MAC

    Kobe didnt get pushed in a wheel chair.

  • JTaylor21

    Someone is just mad that his favorite and the so-called best PG shot 37% from the field vs an 8th seed. Hate much?

  • J-MAC

    Bulls wouldnt be as good with Paul as they are with DRose. Hope thats not what you mean?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Allenp – how the hell is Dwight losing and not CP3 when they’re both down in their series 3-2?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    jtaylor – who are you talking to? I want to make sure your retarded comments aren’t directed towards me.

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    Ok you rose fans have to stop acting like rose is better than cp3…you CANNOT seriously say that rose is playing better in the playoffs….in fact you really can’t act like rose does ANYTHING better than cp3 (yeah i said it).you could argue scoring but 2 years ago cp3 was dropping 22-12 and that’s not far from 25 and 8..and then factor in him being injured all year yet STILL being way more efficient..GTFOH

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    J-Mac – First of all I could care less about what the players voted on something they know little more then what reputation tells them. – Second, no you can’t substitute Odom for Bynum and the Lakers would be fine, if that were true they would be going for title number 4 in a row, not 3. ANd you take Pau off the Lakers and they are roughly the same team they were in 2006. — I don’t care about who can close out a game, I would rather just win more often. Kobe is going to shoot you OUT of more games then he is going to save you in. And that’s a statistical fact

  • MJnotKobe

    You can put Paul in as the starting pg on any team in the league and, because his game is predicated on running whatever offense and dishing, he’ll have some success. Put Rose or Westbrook on any other team that already has two potent scoring options and they will be rendered ineffective for the most part. Rose is a decent passer and a subpar defender. His athletism and scoring are the best parts of his game. Westbrook’s basketball I.Q is even lower than Rose’s. He’d have an even harder time than Rose would on a different team. They both are volume shooters. Sorry but skillwise, they can’t see CP3. The worst you can say about the guy is that he doesn’t shoot enough.

  • tRay

    Lets not start the DRose vs CP3 sh*t again lol i mean d@mn

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel – Dwight playing great doesn’t mean Orlando wins. Game 1 for example. He plays terrible, doesn’t mean they lose, Game 5 for example. Chris Pual has to play good for New Orleans to even have a chance. Paul has clearly been the best player in the playoffs, the only reason I see behind not wanting to discuss it, is because its plainly obvious.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    DatKid – who’s saying rose is playing better in the playoffs? Learn to read before you start preaching.

  • J-MAC

    They didnt have Ron Ron though. And how dont players that PLAY the game have little knowlege about something they do on a regular basis and who they feel is the best at a certain aspect of the game?

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    @diesel not the point of my rant guy…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dwight was down 3-1 to the hawks with homecourt advantage.
    You see the difference. Stop being ridiculous.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They don’t watch the games. They play in them. YOu think when their done with a game they go and examine how every other player in the league is doing? You think there is a single player not on the Lakers that can tell if you Kobe did or didn’t hit a game winning shot this year? I don’t. SO why would we trust their opinions over the people who get paid to actually watch every single game? The guys that collect data, which are facts, that will all tell you Kobe isn’t that good in the clutch or with the last shot or whatever you want to call it, why is their opinion less important then the players who really have no idea, they watch less games then the majority of us. (normal fans/maybe crazy in my case)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Your right they didn’t have Ron Artest, take Ron Artest off this lakers team, aren’t they still the favorites in the West? — So Artest is irrelevant.

  • MJnotKobe

    Players also have their own bias.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    No I don’t see the difference. They’re both 3-2. How they got there doesn’t matter. Lakers have been losing for the most part because they’re bigs have been horrible. How CP3 gets the credit for that I don’t know. But we shouldn’t praise CP3 and not Dwight simply because Atlanta stepped up and the Lakers curled up.

  • JTaylor21

    Oh, the rarely used “retarded” insult. Much innovation and thought must have been needed to come up with such a groundbreaking insult. Bravo!!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I personally don’t care about shooting percentages, scoring, efficiency, none of that crap. It’s the Playoffs, who cares? You can have the most efficient series the world and if your team loses, it doesn’t matter.
    The regular season is over. Win and advance… That’s all that matters now.
    CP3 has played well, so has DRose and Dwight. But one of these guys has already advanced and there is a strong possibility that one or both of the two that’s left will not.

  • J-MAC

    They may not watch them but they have obviously been in a game when Kobe got them at the end. Guys that collect data do just that collect data they dont lace them up. Its like somebody that sells Benz but doesnt drive them and has never drove one even though he has all the data can he tell me how one really drives as opposed to someone who owns one …no.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    jtaylor – show me where I brought up Rose or the bulls other than to say Rose and Dwight are also having good postseasons. Your hate is beyond annoying. Go kill yourself.

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    The magic are a fickle team…it’s like when dwight’s in the post and scoring they stop trying half the time and when he’s not or not having a good game they go crazy..that’s a generalization but you feel me

  • MJnotKobe

    Teams advance. As in the entire unit. No one has said the Hornets and Magic were better teams. Bulls are the better team, CP3 is the best individual player so far this postseason.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The playoffs are about TEAMS, that’s why I’m downplaying the whole individual performance aspect. CP3 or Dwight gets eliminated, by the Conference Finals, nobody will care what they did.

  • J Dilla

    Players watch more games than u n me put together, that’s what they get paid to do, film studies n so on. Players play against each other every night, please don’t go off no stats. Guys in the league most definitely know who those killer r, when it counts n the game is on the line. Screw stats I’ll go with guys who actually compete against these players n has hands on experience.

  • JTaylor21

    Would drowning myself in a bathtub full of roses do the trick?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Are you kidding me? First of all Kobe hasn’t hit enough game winners in his whole career for that to be true. And those guys don’t say “I can do it better then Kobe” they say Kobe isn’t nearly as good as you would like to believe. Infact I already stated this but the last game winner KObe hit that I can find was over a year ago. The last two important game winners Kobe attempted were airballs, in the playoffs. Luckily for him he had Pau Gasol and Ron Artest anticipating him missing (because he misses more then he makes, and it isn’t close at the end of games). – And the driving analogy has literally nothing to do with this conversation. Noone is claiming they would hit those shots, or can hit them, its not about driving the car, its about knowing how many miles per gallon it gets on the highway compared to all the others. Which the players don’t know, so they buy the most expensive car they can see. (which is Kobe in this case, obviously)

  • J-MAC

    nbk– Did you see game 7 of the finals ’10

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    they get paid to watch film. Have you ever watched film? I have, I know it doesn’t show a miraculous game winner, ever, because those are irrelevant to the strategy of the game. Especially game winners from Kobe which never come from a set play. WTH, you don’t even understand the point your trying to make.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yes I saw game 7. I saw Game 1-7.

  • J-MAC

    “Hands on experience”…Thanks J Dilla

  • J Dilla

    Yes i have watched film. I didn’t understand the point u were trying to make, Stat boy, clearly the stats are interfering with your thinking when u say “players don’t watch games”. It’s not all about game winners, it’s about setting your team up to win the game at the end, with an assist or a shot. So u think they don’t have set plays for last second shots.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The Hornets HAVE TO feed their bigs way more than what they did last night. Carl Landry should be putting up the most shots next to Chris Paul, and then it should be Trevor Ariza. Belinelli played well last night but he cannot be taking 10+ shots a game when Landry only gets 7. That makes no sense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The NBA players also voted Phil Jackson the second most annoying coach on the sidelines. They must be right about that huh? Cuz Phil Jackson is always walking up and down the court screaming and yelling? hahahahaha the player poll is so irrelevant. Jerry Sloan even received votes. – Erik Spoelstra who spends 90% of every game pacing the sidelines, talking to the refs, he even spends time on the wrong side of halfcourt, and actually on the floor is nowhere to be found. THe players don’t think about this stuff, they are just randomly asked by a journalist, and have to give an answer on the spot. They are’t givin multiple choices, just asked to answer the question. Now if you believe the Phil Jackson is really the second most annoying coach in the league then thats fine, i have 0 interest discussing this with you, you obviously aren’t objective enough to have this conversation.

  • J-MAC

    So Ron Ron isn’t “irrelevant”. He may not put up sexy numbers but his D and toughness are great attributes wouldnt you agree?

  • JTaylor21

    Y’all want to hear a joke? Kobe passing to his teammates for a GW shot. Where they do that at?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Ben Collins: Trevor Ariza was arguably the Lakers’ third best player when he was on the Lakers, and Carl Landry has outplayed Gasol for the series up until yesterday night. I agree that the Hornets are undermanned but they’ve got some really solid role players that play some damn good team defense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I know they have set plays, I also know Kobe ignores them. Calling me statboy is pretty funny, especially considering there is no possible way you watch/read/study more NBA then I do. I can have this conversation with you without using stats but that opens you up to use your opinion which doesn’t lead to anything but arguing. Accept that stats are facts, your opinion is 100% less relevant. Phil Jackson will readily tell you Kobe ignores the offense, infact, google it.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And since when is Jarret Jack the Hornets’ third best player?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They are great, but Matt Barnes is not much worse a defender, a better shooter, hustles more, and rebounds better, especially on offense. In this conversation considering Ron Artest wouldn’t change anything about the Lakers status as favorites, but losing Bynum or Gasol or Kobe would so there’s no reason to include him. This all started with me saying I would rather have Pau and Bynum then Kobe – which isn’t going to change, they are clearly more important together then Kobe is by himself. Save for a single possession where you need a miraculous shot, i’ll take the other 47 minutes and 36 seconds, thank you very much.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    It was obvious from the get go that Kobe’s injury wasn’t real. Yes he rolled his ankle, everybody who has played basketball knows that it happens a lot without resulting in a sprain or other type of injury. You simply walk it of for a couple of minutes and then you are good to go. Watch the end of Game 4 where he rolled the ankle. Kobe walks it of for a couple of minutes, goes to the bench gets brief treatment. And then is back in the game, where he at the end of the game he plays like there is no problem. On that drive where Pau fumbled his pass, he clearly explodes with all his weight onto the ‘injured’ foot on his bricked 3 he gets very good lift. Kobe rolled his ankle, he didn’t get injured. Him coming out on crutches (very PP like) and refusing to have an MRI + really comment on what is going on apart from ‘I’ll play’ and keeping everybody in the dark is just Kobe feeding his favorite pet The Hypemonster. Now all Kobe-fans have an excuse when he plays well and we all see how a winning 19-point performance like last night’s is suddenly labeled legendary, great and tough etc etc… When really for Kobe’s usual high standards it should be labeled sub-par. Before having another sip of my hate-slushie let me just add that the dunks were freaking great.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: Do you think the Lakers, with this current roster, could make the WCF without Kobe Bryant? They might be able to be the Hornets but the Lakers without Kobe aren’t making it past the second round. Kobe is still the man on this team no matter how many boneheaded plays he makes. Also, Gasol’s play has been pretty underwhelming these playoffs. He’s routinely shut down by Aaron Gray (when Gray actually sees floor time).

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Diesel, saying that losing 3 games to the Hawks and 3 games to the Lakers is in any way similar is a huge reach, come on now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Uhm no, but I don’t think they would get out of the first round without Gasol and Bynum. If they would even make the playoffs.

  • J Dilla

    Trust me when I say this, I am not a Kobe lover at all, I didn’t like how he sold out his team in that Phoenix Suns series, when he took like 2 shot in the second half to prove a point to Phil. However, I do recognize that he has that killer instinct that set him apart from most player. He is not afraid to take that last second shot, when most guys run from it…

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And, the Magic have a lot more talent than the Hornets. The Magic are also more talented than Atlanta, where as the Hornets are inferior talent wise to the Lakers. As nbk said, CP is so clearly the best post season player so far, it is almost not worth discussing. I would not have mentioned it again had BC not disputed it.
    It is interesting how Bulls fans are the ones undermining his play.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Doesn’t make him any better at it then anyone else. Kobe is probably 5th on my give the ball to him on the last possession list. 5th, and all 4 of the guys I would put ahead of him aren’t afraid either. Chris Paul, Dirk, Paul Pierce, Carmelo. All more efficient, more effective/productive, less selfish in the closing seconds.

  • Bruno

    so you would give the ball to Dirk instead of Kobe, that’s it for the post up today

  • J-MAC

    LZ–dang man you really thought about that one. And no he wasnt faking some guys roll their ankle like did and are out for a few games. Its not Kobe “hyping” it up I would say its the media the same way with DRose. The only difference is Kobe didnt get the MRI. BTW Orlando could very easily win 2 more games…then does that make him the best indivual player in the playoffs?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Raise your hand if your opinion of Dirk is based on reputation…. Raise your hand if you really think Kobe’s ankle is hurt….. (speaking of, they showed Kobe and Derek Fisher walking into he game yesterday, Kobe was not limping until he looked up and saw the camera. Believe what you want

  • Bruno

    I’m not talking about any ankle or reputation or limping, you just said that with the game on the line last possession you’d give the ball to Dirk before Kobe

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yes I would, because Dirk is better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And that’s not a “I think Dirk is better with the game on the line” that’s Dirk is better, fact.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I agree with BC’s 3:20 comment that the playoffs are about teams, I also agree that in 10 years nobody will remember whether Paul had a treb-doub, ROse scored 40 or Dwight averaged 15 rebs or whatever remarkable individual performance we will see in the coming month. We will however remember who won and what teams prevailed. However one shouldn’t completely downplay the individual performance aspect. BC says that ‘nobody will care what they did.’ not completely true as the owners (who pay the players) will remember perfectly well who did what, the other players (who openly lobby to be on certain teams) will remember perfectly well, and we the fans (who make this whole NBA machinery run) will most certainly remember perfectly well. The playoffs is all about the teams no doubt, but let us not pretend that the individual performances don’t have a lot of say on the current and future basketball landscape. Btw BC I didn’t post this to start some arguement with you (us going back and forth is getting quite old don’t you agree…), just posting my opinion which is slightly different from yours so please holster the ‘foreigner’-pistols and let us all stick to basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually the ankle part was for everyone who wants to applaud Kobe’s performance last night as anything special. He is clearly healthy enough to do what he was before he rolled his ankle, I don’t at all get playing this he played on one ankle bs. I am just annoyed that people think Kobe’s ankle injury is even remotely serious if it was he would not have denied it being examined.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Switch Kobe and Dirk.
    The Mavericks are legitimate title threats and the Lakers are a fun story about two soft seven footers who can’t get it done in the playoffs.
    And I’m a Mavs fan.

  • J-MAC

    Nic–Thats real

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    And hey you know whcih player I would give the ball to create the gamewinner. Not Kobe, Not Melo, Not Paul, Not PP, Not Drik. The answer: Jamal Crawford however if the question was ‘hit’ and not ‘create’ I would answer Ray Allen. But the ball at the top of the key with one possesion to go and behind by 1,2 or 3 points, no doubt in my mind: Jamal Crawford.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Fa real? Who would dallas have as their 4? And how would they be title threats? Who would guard PG’s? Please they would not be any better if you switched the two, that team is tailored for Dirk.

  • Bruno

    so just because you think that Dirk is better, now it’s a fact ok … let’s catch the post up tomorrow

  • JTaylor21

    Nick, come on son stop it. The Mavs aren’t winning a chip with KB nor are they winning it with Dirk.
    Everyone knows that the reason why the Lakers have been to 3 straight finals and won two of them is their bigs. No team in the L can matchup with LO/Bynum/Pau, those guys are the biggest reason for LA’s recent run.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    J-MAC, no it would not. Orlando should have beat ATL in less than 7. Dwight had his worst game last night, yet it was the Magic’s best game. See the correlation? CP has been remarkable this post season, historically so.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    I didn’t say they would win, I said they are threats.
    Tyson Chandler is athletic enough to guard many 4s and Haywood can guard the 5. Shawn Marion can guard the 4.
    Who is guarding PGs for the Mavs now?
    If anything, having KB24 on PG and JKidd on SG is an upgrade.
    I’m not sayin you trade them straight up and everything is fine because obviously other personnel would have to change on both squads.
    But if you don’t think Kobe would make improve your favorite team, you are lying to yourself.

  • J Dilla

    Put the stats aside,let’s b eyewitnesses for minute. You would seriously take Dirk over Kobe to take the last second shot. Dirk can’t create his owe shot like Kobe could.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    AllBall – Dwight has the worst supporting cast of any team left in the playoffs. And I’m not downplaying what CP3 has done. You’re just overhyping it because you love your team, which is fine, but your wrong. You said something along the lines of “if CP3’s game 1 and 4 were great, then all other performances this year were just good”. I’m just trying to take the level headed approach and say slow down…Dwight’s 46 & 19 followed by 33& 19 were just as impressive. Rondo going for a triple double with 15 points, 20assists, and 11 boards is just as impressive. I won’t even mention another player that deserves to be mentioned for fear that the dumbest kid on this site might call me a Rose peddler. CP3 had 2 great games that resulted in wins, but then he had 3 so-so games that resulted in loses. Why is it crazy to say that Dwight, who’s had 4 great games and only 1 so-so game, is just as impressive? Is that really considered a knock on CP3 to say Dwight’s just as impressive this postseason?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bruno you think Ima say something is a fact if I can’t prove it? How often do I do that? 4th Quarter or Overtime with less then 5 minutes left with neither team up by more then 5 points, the leaders in +/- are Mo Williams (only played in 11 close games this season), then Marion, Nowitzki, Kidd, Chandler, all at +40. Kobe Bryant comes in for the season (38 games) at +13. So Dirk’s team is clearly better in the clutch. Dirk shoots .458% in these situations, Kobe shoots .402%. Dirk makes 89% of his Free Throws, Kobe makes 87%. Kobe played 10 more minutes in this situation total, Kobe shot roughly 15 more shots per 48 minutes. Scored only 8 more points in the same time frame. – Dirk is better in every way but 3pt% but doesn’t attempt nearly as many, 2.6 per 48 to 11.3 – what else would you like to argue?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dirk can get a better shot then Kobe the majority of the time. FIrst because Dirk is 7 feet tall and is a mismatch with 99% of the league. 2nd, because Dirk is a willing passer in the closing minutes/seconds so the opposing defense must still pay attention to the entire team, Kobe is selfish. and 3rd, because Dirk shoots a better % everywhere on the court inside the 3pt line. SO unless you have to have a 3 I will take Dirk in every end of game situation.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Diesel, Orlando’s supporting cast are as good if not better than the NO. Paul>Nelson Richardson>Marco Ariza>Turk Landry>Bass Howard>Mek
    Orlando’s bench>Hornet bench. Well call it a wash lol. In those two games Dwight averaged around 8 turn overs, although Rondos game was dope, CP had a triple double with a lesser (lot lesser) supporting cast.
    20 points, ten assists, 5 rebounds, 50 percent shooting from field and 3 point line is sub par Diesel?
    It is not a knock on CP, it is just inaccurate to say Dwight has been as impressive.

  • J Dilla

    I can agree with that, but i thought u were talking about taking the last shot, we all know Kobe is very selfish. I going with Kobe to escape the double team,hit or miss the shot. Dirk might not be able to get a shot off. I know u remember what Golden State did putting the claps on him…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Diesel Dwight has played great against certain players, and porous against others. Jason Collins and Zaza Pachulia have been bother Dwight all series. Al Horford, Josh Powell and whoever else have been absolutely dominated. Chris Paul has been efficient against every defender the Lakers have thrown at him. eww this conversation sucks, Chris Paul is clearly the best player in the playoffs, he’s on the least talented team, doesn’t have his second best scorer, is playing against the defending champs and has made it look like they have a chance, when they really don’t. Dwight is playing great against a team they beat by a record margin last season, and it isn’t helping his team win. The 3pt line is more valuable to the magic in this series then Dwight Howard. (it shouldn’t be that way, but it is)

  • feez22

    @diesel Cp3 doesn’t get credit for the lakers bigs playing like crap. he gets credited for absolutely owning the lakers and winning 2 games with a team that people thought would be swept. Besides… chris is grabbing .2 less rebounds than pau gasol and has so far crossed up & owned every single laker big that tries to hedge the screens… he’s making it really difficult for the lakers to defend the hornets because his paint passes are so close to the rim that the receiver has a higher chance of making the shot. not to mention his scoring and being the best player in the series… ya i said it. so ya… chris is getting the credit he deserves. People tell me all the time that point guards abuse the lakers. they may be right… however when you are letting this point guard go 24-11-6.4 on 55% shooting… well… i won’t call that an ordinary beatdown. there is probably only 1 other pg that can own the lakers like paul has been doing and that is D-Will to a bit of a lesser extent. d-will is a hell of a player thats for sure. i mean for christ sakes… chris paul is the first player to ever record a triple double against the lakers in the playoffs… & that triple double was the first of its kind since ’64… tbh cp is not getting enough credit. no legit scoring wing threat (ariza has played well the last 2 games but he hasnt been consistent the whole series), no d-west(which means no legit every time down big man that can score) yet the hornets still win & stay competitive against the talented lakers. not enough credit is being given tbh… w/e…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I will never want the player that will shoot out of a double team. – And yes I remember what Stephen Jackson did to Dirk in 07 – Do you remember what Kobe did in the playoffs in 2005?

  • JTaylor21

    Nick, after watching CP destroy KB whenever he tries to guard him, you sure you still want him checking PGs?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t understand the logic behind saying Kobe will undoubtedly improve your team if you trade him with your best player. Teams are built around certain guys.. I mean I know that’s true if you take Danny Granger off the Pacer and substitute Kobe Bryant. But if you take Dwight out of Orlando and put in Kobe that team would barely make the playoffs. Infact I got in numerous arguments last season with people saying if you put Kobe on Cleveland they would have won a title. Its a nice little arguing tool to use when your talking to someone who doesn’t know the rotation of every team in the league, but most the people here that comment on the reg aren’t those people. Kobe would make teams better, teams worse, depending on how they are built and who they are built around. Kobe clearly has the highest skill level of any player in the game, but skill is only one aspect of being what people are trying to make him out to be. The athleticism, defensive effectiveness, and overall efficiency have somewhat left Kobe’s game. WHICH IS FINE, it happens to everyone.

  • J Dilla

    Stat Boy u kill me man, u n i both know u would definitely want a guy with the ability to shoot over double team, game situation are not always the same. Trust me u gonna want that guy who can shoot over a double teams when there’s seconds left. Not 10seconds but 5 seconds n down.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    JT, No I think Kobe can get it done defensively when he needs to, but it is not happening every play.
    All I’m saying is he is an upgrade from JKidd checking the point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t want to be in that situation! what don’t you get about that? I would rather just win. The NBA isn’t the NFL, one game can be lost without it changing a thing. I’d rather win by 20 and lose on the last second every once in a while, then win in close games and lose by 20. And no I don’t want the guy who will shoot over a double team with 5 seconds left, that’s enough time to make 2 passes and get a wide open shot. And if a guy is being double teams with less then 3 seconds on the clock then your passing it in, and you probably have a better option.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jason Kidd doesn’t guard opposing PG’s. But if you bring in Kobe he would have to. Kobe is not only not a good enough defender to check PG’s, his body can’t handle it, especially for a whole series. (unless its Rondo and he can just rest and float)

  • JTaylor21

    Also would Kobe on the Heat instead of Wade or Bron make them a better team? I doubt it.
    Also for the cat that stated “CP had 3 so-so games that resulted in loses” WHAT? Since when does avg. 20/9 in those 3gms equate into so-so games?
    I had no idea that computers were allowed in an insane asylum.

  • J Dilla

    U want the Bulls team that went 72-10, r u saying u wouldn’t want Jordan on your team?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Are you insinuating Jordan shot over double teams in the closing seconds? Do you not know anything about Jordan’s career? – John Paxson, Steve Kerr. Ring a bell?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    20 & 9 is so-so when that’s basically your season averages and your team needs you to step up your game if they have a chance of winning. Let the grown ups talk…you go back to trying to be witty.

  • J Dilla

    U funny son, let me school u I grew up watching the Great One, I’m from the Go Ill. Yes Jordan did shoot over double teams, we are not talking about the playoffs when Phil told him pass the ball to Paxson because he was open n when Kerr said if they doubled i’ll b ready. When he first came in league Jordan was shooting over triple teams. U can’t tell me nothing about MJ. GO Youtube some highlights, better yet I’ll send u some, I got some on VHS tape…STAT BOy!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    When Jordan first came into the league is irrelevant. WTF why does that even come up? I know all about Jordan’s career dude, I have watched the majority of it. If you want to bring up irrelevant stuff like that then why don’t we just bring up Kobe’s first trip to the playoffs and end this conversation right now. Stat boy, hah is that supposed to be an insult?

  • J Dilla

    STATS STATS STATS STATS… where would u cats b if it wasn’t for the internet. u know u can actually watch a game n c the impact a player has on a game…MUCH LOVE!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you can’t bring up the 72-10 bulls and then act like its the same Jordan that played from 84-91, that is just downright ridiculous.

  • MJnotKobe

    As I said before, it’s no coincidence that Rose fans are downplaying CP3. Anyone whose favorite player is not a pg named Rose can be objective and admit that his personal play vs the defending champs is incredibly impressive. I just don’t believe any other pg in the league would have the same success if they were on the Hornets instead of Paul. I’m outta here

  • J Dilla

    U brought that up, not me, I don’t give two farts about Kobe n his two airballs he shot against Utah. At least he had the balls to take them shots. We all got our on opinion, no insults are needed. I just admire how organized u r, u r really go with the stats…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If you watch more basketball then me you better get paid to do it. IF your not paid, have a job, kids, any kind of life then there’s no way you watch more hoop then me. I have a job where I work for my Pop, I own my own house, have no kids, get off work at 4PM everyday. The only time I miss basketball is when I’m playin it, like yesterday. But guess what? I have a tv at my gym. Maybe you should watch more games, and take up stats, and also try and read every article that comes across your face — get a twitter too.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    J Dilla Posted: Apr.27 at 5:28 pm
    U want the Bulls team that went 72-10, r u saying u wouldn’t want Jordan on your team? – that was you.
    J Dilla Posted: Apr.27 at 5:46 pm

    When he first came in league Jordan was shooting over triple teams. U can’t tell me nothing about MJ. GO Youtube some highlights, better yet I’ll send u some, I got some on VHS tape…STAT BOy – I didn’t bring up Jordan AT ALL

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    “I won’t even mention another player that deserves to be mentioned for fear that the dumbest kid on this site might call me a Rose peddler.” I’m smart enough to know when somebody is throwing subliminals at me diesel..Smh whatever tho

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think that was actually intended for JTaylor

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    Also cosign mjnotkobe ..he has some good points

  • J Dilla

    No need for all that, my playing days r over with. Just recreation for me, i had the NBA league pass when directv first came out with it. N before then I was watching basketball with my peeps, n the games they actually televised on t.v…plus attending Bulls games n the 80′s…

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    Oh…oops thanks nbk I thought bc he said kid and we argued before…my bad diesel!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No need for all what? J Dilla Posted: Apr.27 at 5:54 pm
    STATS STATS STATS STATS… where would u cats b if it wasn’t for the internet. u know u can actually watch a game n c the impact a player has on a game… (I’m just sayin, I do watch the games, probably considerably more basketball then you)

  • J Dilla

    Yeah I did bring up, I was just asking u would u take Jordan on u team. That’s all…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NO stress Kid, I’m happy your willing to defend yourself when you think your being called out. – everyone makes similar mistakes on here. And as long as you aren’t tryin to be some kind of internet gangster nobody gonna stress.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would take Kobe on my team. Ofcouse I’d take Jordan. I would take Kobe if I was Dallas and had to give up Dirk, because of the way they are built. Kobe is still the second or third best player on planet earth, I love his game. But that won’t effect my ability to logically think about the game/aspects of it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Peyton Hillis is the cover athlete for Madden ladies and gentleman. Good Job ESPN and SportsNation, you didn’t screw that up at all.

  • J Dilla

    That’s not in my nature, this is fun to me I get tired of arguing with my friends. It’s good to have a friendly debate, nothing personal…STAT BOY!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I wouldn’t* take Kobe

  • J Dilla

    Seriously NBk, where do u b getting all the those stats from. I know u might not want to reveal u source.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol I want everyone to know everything. 82games – basketball-reference – hoopshype – nba (put .com on the end of all of those) And I’m here to discuss and argue whatever comes up, sorry if I went a little too hard, I am competitive, even if its just a conversation/argument.

  • J Dilla

    Thanks now i can start posted some those stats…lol

  • J Dilla

    U cool People NBK, we can debate friendly anytime.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if you need to understand how some of the stats work/apply just ask. – there are other sites people like too, those are just the basic 4 that I rely on.

  • J Dilla

    Peyton Hillis was on my fantasy team…congrats!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m bout to be off, will be cell-phone enabled, but not here as much the rest of the night. For my farewell note I would like to let everyone know that LeBron and Wade are apparently “not letting the game come to them tonight, but will be the aggressor and tone setters in the first quarter” – yeah, we’ll see. enjoy the playoffs slamily!

  • http://nbagifs.tumblr.com airs

    im only posting so you guys can click the link on my name, i found it amusing. not spam!

  • winitall

    d rose went to the line over 50 times in the first three games were he was shotting so bad as you like to say but he was not shotting bad he was being fouled hard the whole series so yeah keep using shot% you retards d rose has advanced and cp3 will not and yes the lakers are bad against pg,s why did you cp3 fans not point that out as well ohh because you use what ever you can to down the mvp any ways enough said D Rose is the MVP!!!!!

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    It is done: Heat vs. Celtics, 2nd Rd Nba playoff matchup.
    Let the games begin

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    Cp3>D-Rose,

    Kobe=Dirk in clutch,

    nuff said.

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    Boston or Heat who do you guys take?

  • Logan

    it is just amazing to read some of the ‘expert’ comments here. It is also obvious that most of these ‘experts’ never played ball, or if they did, jumped high enough to roll or twist their ankle. The first they ask you to do with an ankle injury is not put weight on it. does not matter how severe it is. hence the crutches. They are a precaution. Chances are, a few hours after the injury you can understand on your own how serious it is. does that mean you start putting your full weight on it? no…you still use crutches, still be careful, still sit with your leg in an elevated position, keep it in ice etc.. Helps the injury heal faster no matter how severe it is.

    So if I am a superstar player, i’m going to do all those things no matter if it is a severe sprain or a mild roll. also, when you’ve been playing basketball all your life, you know the extent of your injury straight off the bat.

    Seriously, if the half the posters here played some ball, maybe they would not suffer from drawing conclusions basis no experience.

  • Mike From Spain

    I am quite a coward physically but I play through injuries if I know they are minor… one knows , it’s true

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I have played through a miriad of injuries. almost completely ruined my ankle a little over a year ago. I know you don’t just walk fine on it with no adrenaline if its really hurt. I have been around basketball my entire life and I have never witnessed someone seriously hurt their ankle and then 2 days later come in and start dunking on big men. Never – I also don’t blame Kobe for playing up the injury, nothing is better then to curb your opponents aggression

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