Thursday, April 21st, 2011 at 8:40 am  |  104 responses

Post Up: Thriving Times

Spurs/Grizzlies break even. And it’s dinner time for OKC.

Oklahoma City 106, Denver 89

Great signs for Oklahoma City in this one. In Game 1, Thunder players not named Durant or Westbrook combined for 36 points; in Game 2, they had 39 by the half and 62 overall.

OKC big men (Perkins, Ibaka and Collison) combined for 31 rebounds, equaling Denver’s total, while limiting Nene to 2-8 shooting and Kenyon Martin to 2-6.

And Durant and Westbrook hardly provided anything that resembled an epic performance, something required just to win in the opener, instead the Thunder exchanged it for depth and team balance as five players scored in double-figures (including a promising 18 on just nine shots from James Harden).

They’ve beaten a really good Denver two different ways—with explosive individual performances by their stars in the first game, and overall production in the next—but tonight was certainly more encouraging, a decisive win in Playoff fashion, with hard rebounding, strong defense, and contributors everywhere.

There just wasn’t enough for Denver to compete: A sluggish start, no rebounding (minus 23), and absolutely nothing from the imported Knicks save for Ray Felton, who had 16. They’re going home, but going home in a hole.

Don’t expect a rarely-content team like the Thunder to rest on their laurels, especially against a Nuggets team that grows an extra leg at home. Until Oklahoma City wins in Denver, don’t rule out a long and competitive series. —Todd Spehr

L.A. Lakers 87, New Orleans 78

In the most boring game of the history of basketball, the Lakers won 87-78. You probably fell asleep, but that’s fine, because so did Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. Kobe dropped 11. Pau had 8. Ron Artest looked like the most capable wing scorer on the floor tonight, which is hilarious. It was a totally disgusting, awful mess for every team, including the Lakers.

But it didn’t matter. Because the Lakers are the most talented team in the Western Conference. That’s just how it is.

They sneeze out baskets. Phil Jackson is so put-together that he got nine players who were under a deep, deep trance to beat a team that made the NBA Playoffs. He is who to call when the robots become autonomous, start feeling feelings, start moving in on us. He’ll talk them all down.

He got eight grown men to think this: “When Kobe is off, then we get to play basketball as a team! Hooray!” Really. They’re all saying, “Hooray!” afterward, like second graders, and no one is upset. They all believe in this. That’s how they’ve won two straight NBA championships.

Someone asked Phil Jackson what he thought about the game. He said this: “We won by 9 points, maybe 11. That’s about it.”

He didn’t even know the score. He just knows that the Lakers are better.

The Hornets have no answer and they’re starting to realize that. The Lakers successfully defended Chris Paul tonight by focusing the entire team’s attention on him. This worked because there are no other Hornets. Chris Paul is the only Hornet and that works for exactly one game in a seven-game series.

“Who knows what they’ll throw at us the next game,” Phil Jackson half-asked after the game. Of course he doesn’t. He doesn’t know what their game plan will be; he just knows his will be better. —Ben Collins

Spurs 93, Grizzlies 87

You knew he was going to play, right? Hyperextended elbow or not, there was no way Manu Ginobili was going to miss Game 2 in San Antonio. Not when the Grizzlies embarrassed his ‘mates like they did on Sunday, 101-98.

It wasn’t prime Manu we saw on Wednesday. Yet he scored 17 points and grabbed enough steals (4) to open up San Antonio’s transition game and lead the way to a much-needed 6-point win.

Playoff Tim Duncan, not to be confused with Regular-Season Tim Duncan, finished with 16 points and 10 rebounds, proving once again the fountain of youth is nothing but a mental construction. Dominic Cobb.

He’s so consistent your aunt’s mashed potatoes get jealous.

On the defensive side, the Spurs held “The $71 Million Man,” Zach Randolph, to 11 points, by far his worst production against San Antonio this season. Z-Bo was in foul trouble most of the game, clearing the way for unsung hero Sam Young, who scored 17 points on 7-13 shooting and hit a key three down the stretch.

Memphis’ starters all played well, but Shane Battier and OJ Mayo were terrible off the bench (1-7 and 2-11, respectively).

If not for the Grizzlies’ egregious three-point shooting (3-14 from beyond the arc), they likely would have won the game. Then again, outside shooting is San Antonio’s Mortal Kombat move. Richard Jefferson. Finish him. (Hernan Sanchez voice.)

The Spurs are going to have a hard time taking both games in Memphis (the Grizzlies are good there). Still, I see them breaking even and eventually winning in seven games. Somewhere Kevin Durant and the Thunder are licking their lips.

Dinner time. —Patrick Crawley (@BasketballFiend)

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  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    I’m sure Marcus Thornton looks like Vinnie Johnson to coach Monty right about now.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    36/11/4 with 5 turnovers on 12-19. Great numbers, although not as good as Pauls, and Boston was with out Garnett.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    -_-, you know who was coaching that team right? and how “talented” that team was?
    and not to mention it was his rookie year, tied kareem’s record for points.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    T-Money – Memphis is losing Mayo for sure, probably Gasol too after the new CBA is figured. They spent too much money on Randolph, Gay, and Gasol to really resign both under teh current restrictions. IMO they are the Atlanta of the West for the foreseeable future.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rondolph, Gay, and Conley*

  • JTaylor21

    Sheeeeeeit, Stanislav Medvedenko looks like the Microwave compared to what comes off the hornets bench.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I’m just pointing out that CP3 is too inconcistent this year to still be considered the best. I tried pointing that out after game one, but people were too busy saying that CP3 was the “greatest playoff pg of all time”.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    @allenp I think it’s obvious though that paul understands the game far better than rose…nobody cares though

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I wouldn’t say Chris Paul is inconsistent. Just not aggressive. He is consistently productive and efficient with everything but scoring. He is efficient when he shoots, but just doesn’t look to do it often.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    also cp3 has been injured this entire year, which again people seem to forget.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Paul was consistently efficient more the entire year. He had one bad stretch late, but he’s been doing pretty much the same thing the whole year, in my opinion. And that was with that nasty knee brace, and not even one year totally removed from surgery.
    The main issue I had was that he didn’t look as quick, and he wasn’t aggressive with his shot.
    Well, he looks like the quickness issue is over with, now he needs to deal with the shooting issue.
    It’s fine if you don’t think Paul is the best, I’m not going to rehash that tired argument. But, very few people have said he’s the best of all-time. I actually haven’t seen anyone say that.
    And there was nothing incosistent about his performance last night. Dude was balling, balling hard, but he was playing 44 minutes against intense ball pressure and swarming defense, and his teammates, outside of Ariza, appeared either outclassed or frightened.
    Rose, for all he does for the Bulls, has much better talent than NOLA right now. Last night Paul kept giving those cats a chance to shine, and they kept failing.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    Allenp, what do make of Allballs claim then that derrick’s DEBUT playoff performance against the Celts is not as great as chris paul’s the other night.
    i beleive derrick’s is on par, if not better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would consider them even, Rose’s performance might have been a little better, but there was no KG on the court in that game/series. Paul’s 4th quarter was also unforgettable

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Allen – AllBall said it a few times after the last game “CP3 is statistically the greatest playoff pg ever”.
    And I’m not trying to make this a Rose vs CP3 thing. I’m just saying focusing in on CP3 – My main question is what the heck is any of his efficiency good for when he doesn’t step up when his team needs him? Last night’s example: Ariza scores a basket to put them down 2 with late in the third. Close game, time for your star to step up. CP responds by scoring 5 points in the 4th and dishing 1 assist I think. That’s junk to me. That’s not how a superstar responds. I wouldn’t be ripping CP3 if he stepped up and they lost. I’m calling him out because when crunch time came he deferred to Ariza. What other point guard in the game today would do that?

  • Patrick

    Glad to see people talking about Memphis. They deserve it. They have a good core and Tony Allen’s influence has them going HARD. I like that comment about them being the Hawks of the West if they lose Gasol. Their Gay, Randolph, Conley core would be pretty similar to Johnson, Horford, JSmoove. Talent-wise anyway. I hope they keep Gasol. They’ll be much better.

  • T-Money

    nbk: mayo is not a FA and they can go over the cap for Gasol. the new CBA has not yet been negotiated, people are just taking the owners’ maximum outcome and running with it (hard cap, shorter contracts, lower max). we don’t know what their bottom line is.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    the biggest reason i think derrick’s performance was better (and i really do apologize for making this sort of a cp vs. drose thing, honestly) is because he came into that series as an unproven rookie with low expectations.
    what chris paul did the other night should hardly come as a surprise to many.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Mayo has 1 year after this one plus they literally already traded him, you really think he isn’t out of there before his price tag goes up exponentially and they lose him for nothing? come on. Also The new CBA will no matter what be in effect before Gasol gets signed. The CBA will be smaller without a doubt, I’m not running with anything. If I was then I would go on and on about how Memphis has just compromised their entire future by signing Zach Radolph to a contract worth twice as much as he would have got under the new rules. But i’m not, I’m saying Memphis is stuck with their core three (Randolph, Gay, Conley) and will have to make moves to keep improving. It’s just the nature of the beast, especially in a small market like Memphis.

  • JTaylor21

    I guess someone wasn’t paying attention in class.
    He said “statistically” he’s put up the best numbers for a PG in playoffs history not he’s the best PG in the history of the playoffs.
    That’s like taking someone saying that Wilt’s statistically the greatest player of all-time to mean that he’s the GOAT.
    The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    If that’s your argument, I have no problem with it.
    But, that’s really not what your initial comment said, which is what I was responding to. Your initial comment about how Paul couldn’t be efficient given the same defenses Rose sees. Cause that’s bogus.
    But, I agree that he should have shot more. I can only surmise that he felt it was really important to keep his teammates involved an confident if he’s going to have a shot. Kind of like what Kobe argued against Phoenix back in the day, but less obviously d*ckish.
    That, or he was really tired and just didn’t have any more gas.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    airs, I was stupid to compare the games. BUT, how do you know that he would have put up a game like that in gm 1, that is all I was asking.
    I clearly said statistically the best, and after his short play-off career he probably is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I am willing to give Paul the benefit of the doubt because he obviously was not intimidated, or even seriously bothered by what the Lakers were showing him on defense.
    What really pissed me off about that game was how small Gasol played once the game turned physical. That was ridiculous. He totally folded up like a punk. On the other hand, Bynum feasted.
    Gasol is still soft, I was fooled by last year and the year before into thinking he had gotten past this mental impediment, but nope, it’s still there. Dude needs to take some lessons from Dirk. Dirk BULLIES any smaller player who tries to guard him, and still gets foul calls by creating weird contact.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh and that Rose game 1, he played some absolutely horrible defense. lets get that out there too

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Airs
    I give Rose the nod because he was a rookie and he was going against a veteran who many people believe is a great defender. Paul is a wily vet and was going against Derek Fisher. But Rose had better talent around him and was facing an lesser team.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I agree with almost everything Allen has said today. CP obviously was not affected by Kobe’s D, it was the team defence that made Paul give the ball up.
    In the end, he was making the right basketball plays all night (although they may have been the wrong plays to actually make). airs, didn’t Ben Gordon go off! In that series? Didn’t the Bulls have Salmons too? Both of those guys would get major minutes for the NOH team, BUT, I do think that Derricks game was better, being that it was his first ever play-off game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Jtaylor, Slava could get it going now and then lol! What happened to that guy.

  • T-Money

    nbk: essentially the main difference is that you think they’re “stuck” with their core whereas i think they’re “growing” with their core. we just don’t have the same appreciation of conley, ta, gay, randolph, gasol.

  • JTaylor21

    Y’all are acting like DRose dominated that 08 series. Yes, he had a great game 1 but he was above average the rest of the series. The guys that actually dominated was Rondo and BG.
    Rondo with his all-around brilliance and BG with his lights out shooting. Without BG’s clutch shots, I doubt that series makes it past 5gms. Also the celtics were without KG, so that played a big part.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    Umm, maybe you want to go back and read the comments again. The question wasn’t about who had the best series, it was about who had the best “game.”
    As in single game.
    (Glass houses and stones, my man. Glass houses and stones.)

  • JoeMaMa

    @Allenp: I disagree on Landry. He’s averaging 15 and 6 and playing strong post D on Pau. I don’t think you can deny that he played very well in Game 1, and even in Game 2, he is showing playoff toughness and strong D. Of course he won’t fill it up like David West; West one of the best shooting bigs in the league. But he’s going up against Pau and making things tough on him. I think you’re referring to the one time he didn’t get back on D, when Kobe missed the put back on the fast break…but I’ve seen a lot of hustle, heart, and some decent numbers from him.
    Oh, and people saying someone is the statistically best PG in NBA playoff history means little, especially when said PG hasn’t made it past the 2nd round. He’s played what, 20 games? He’s a great player, but “statistically best” means sh*t. It’s window dressing.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    JoeMaMa, As the person mentioning that so often, I agree. I was just pumped that he had a phenomenal game on the big stage (NO have only been on nat’l TV twice before that). Also, I got into a few debates and got kind of stuck into the corner referencing that.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, I hear you. I’m just pointing out what happened after GM1 because people like to only look at the good and ignore the bad.
    (If you can’t run with the big dogs, you’d better stay on the porch)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I have a great appreciation of them, but are they ever going to win anything? IS Gasol (if you can even retain him) and Randolph (who is what 30?) a championship front line? Is Gay really the best player on even a conference champion? Do you want Tony Allen as your best SG when the games is on the line? And Mike COnley is getting overpaid to be a decent PG. especially considering how much better the opposing PG’s in the West and around the league are. I don’t see any way they improve over the eventual 4-5 seed that they will fight for until they have to go back into rebuilding mode. And that’s assuming the CBA doesn’t change one bit. (Mayo is gone, good as gone, there is not one scenario where you can convince me Memphis has him past next season, unless they trade Gay which we all know isn’t happening)

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    jtaylor, we’re talking about ONE game, an opening away game and comparing the two.
    a mind is indeed a terrible thing to waste

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Jtaylor – read my comments again I said statistically.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk, why do you think Mayo is done? If they win a series do you still see them getting rid of him? Memphis/OKC would be a great series IMO. Tony Allen plays KD so well.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Mayo is gone because they can’t afford him. ANd have to trade him before they lose him for nothing. Hence the trade for McRoberts that was agreed too at the deadline, that they didn’t submit quick enough. It would definitely be in Memphis’ best interest to keep him, but they are a team that can’t pay the luxury tax, and they already are approaching it with just 3 of their players.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think a Memphis v OKC series would be competitive, I doubt it goes past 6 games though. And I bet Battier will primarily be on KD, with Allen on Westbrook and Conley/Mayo guarding Thabo or Harden. – still though, they can’t keep Mayo past next season no matter what.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    also Why anyone thought Denver had a shot in any playoff series after the Melo trade is completely beyond me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I actually think Rudy is growing into the type of player who can be the best player on a conference champion. Particularly when your front line includes Zbo and Marc Gasol.
    Now, I agree that they are shaky at both guard spots. I don’t trust Conley and Tony Allen is too limited. But, I absolutely love their frontcourt rotation with Zbo, Gasol, Powe and Arthur and Gay and Sam Young at the three. That is excellent.
    I wish Mayo would have panned out at the one. That would have been perfect.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m disappointed in Denver. It’s sad that they are letting themselves fight the “ref battle.” That’s always a losing battle.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    they (denver) don’t have a guy to give it to when the game slows down. Also knowing your going into a series rather then a single game allows opposing coaches more room and time to prepare a strategy to take advantage of that first problem. JR Smith is their best one on one scorer and he played 6 minutes. I’ve never seen a team win a playoff series without a go-to guy. You can bring up Detroit, but then i’ll point out they had 4 all stars not none. And Billups and Wallace were nothing less then superstars at the end of games for that team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I feel like by the time Memphis players are prepared to be conference champions Zach Randolph will have hit a physical wall and be on a sharp decline. Sam Young/Leon Powe/ Darrel Arthur aren’t good enough to pick up the slack. And the Conley issue is huge IMO

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    As a Laker fan, it is brutal to watch Gasol when he plays against a physical defender/defense. I really thought he had moved past his soft tag and could still bang while using his finesse. But the last games of the season and last night just reinforced the perception that he is soft. I watched Louis Amundson bully him and Gasol would not even dare drive to the paint against Landry. Once it starts going downhill for Gasol, it gets ugly. That’s when he’ll try his drive by, flailing his arms while getting the ball ripped and yell, looking for a foul. C’mon Pau, you much better than that.

  • JTaylor21

    I don’t think anyone on here thought that Den could beat OKC in the playoffs. It was the media that was driving that “Nuggets have a chance at pulling the upset” train. Mainly because they are against the idea of superstars linking up.
    Those clowns have no idea that a team has never gone far in the playoffs without a star player, the only one I could think of that didn’t really have a great player was the 04 Pistons and even that team had way better players than Den does.

  • http://Twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I can’t believe anyone in their right mind thinks that there is a pg in the L better than a healthy Paul.

  • Jer Boi

    Id Denver had Afflalo they’d take the series and it would be 1-1 right now. who knows maybe 2-0.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    This may be a little biased but the EC playoffs are just a lot more exciting than the WC. It’s gonna be that way for years to come.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Aaron Aflalo is a role player. He would not have changed a damn thing about game 2

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Joe–Landry is actually outplaying Gasol this series, funnily enough.

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