Friday, April 8th, 2011 at 9:18 am  |  200 responses

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DRose leads the Bulls right through the C’s.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Chicago 97, Boston 81

Even with a hold on the top spot in the standings, most seem to still t00 be thinking of the Bulls as some sort of fad, one that’ll be over by the time the Eastern Conference Finals rolls around. Last night might change that. With a hell of a statement game, Chicago rolled past the Celtics—who, it should be noted, are about as healthy as they’re gonna get—holding them to 81 points on 38.4 percent shooting from the field. Naturally, Derrick Rose took the forefront and led the Bulls with 30 (plus 8 assists, 5 boards and 2 steals), in a contest that might’ve also acted as his definitive Yeah, I’m the MVP moment. Luol Deng added 23, while Carlos Boozer scored 14 and grabbed 12.

Quick note on the MVP race before moving on: What else can we ask DRose to possibly do? I understand the argument that his team’s success stems largely from their defense, and not so much from their offense, where he’s absurdly dominant and his earned his reputation. But as the starting point guard, the dude is playing around 38 minutes a game, half of which he spends on the defensive end. Not to mention that the NBA is more pg-dominated than it’s been, maybe ever, meaning he’s often responsible for holding down the opposition best (or at least most important) player.

Anyway, after putting his squad on his back and carrying them right through one of the L’s toughest opponents, DRose used his post-game presser to respond to the stat-obsessed critics who still don’t see him as the MVP. Here it is:

Alright, maybe he didn’t. Either way, the Bulls now have a clear path toward the top seed in the conference, which they’ll clinch after winning any of their next four games. The first of those four comes tonight, in Cleveland. Hey, at least Cavs fans should’t be too humiliated—chances are they’ll be rooting for Chicago to take down that LeBron dude at some point during the next few months.

Portland 98, Utah 87

Perhaps the only heated seeding battle in the League these days is taking place out West, where the Blazers and Hornets are fighting for the right to not have to play the Lakers (the potential two seed) in the first round. Portland jumped ahead of NO by a half-game last night, defeating the Jazz relatively easily in Utah. Gerald Wallace led all scorers with 29, and though LaMarcus Aldridge had an off shooting performance (6-19 from the floor), he still provided 12 points and 11 boards. Devis Harris led Utah with 26 points.

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  • bashmo

    Westbrook hasnt had a better season than CP necessarily, the fact is that he puts up 22 and 8.2 assists on a 50 plus win team with the leading scorer in the game, an incredible feat. HOWEVER, CP on the other hand has been playing injured on a bad knee, and with much less talented pieces than OKC, and still has the Hornets in the thick of the playoffs. And to top that all off, efficiency is something we should consider. From the field and from downtown, CP3 is a much more efficient player than Russ, and racks up more steals per game. CP does not shoot the ball much at all in comparison to past seasons. Its tough on choosing where to put both.

    My First Team:
    Rose, Bryant, James, Nowitzki, Howard
    2nd Team:
    Paul or Westbrook, Wade, Melo, Durant, Stoudemire or Gasol
    3rd Team:
    Paul or Westbrook, Williams or Ginobili, Pierce, Stoudemire or Gasol, Horford(Only because of how weak the Center position is.)

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I’d put Russ over Rondo, but not CP.
    If the All-NBA teams follow a traditional PG, SG, SF, PF, C format (which It really doesn’t) then I think Rose should be 1st team, CP 2nd team, Westbrook 3rd team.
    Rajon Rondo has had an inconsistent year, and Deron Williams has been battling injuries.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall wouldn’t New Jerseys %’s for the season coupled with his huge assist numbers, and the fact that he had Utah as the 6 seed in the west before he got traded actually help his case? I mean its hard to get double digit assist games on a team that can barely hit 40% of its shots, and he averaged like 12 in a New Jersey uniform. New Jersey also was a much better team post trade, and Utah was much worse. I would have Williams over Westbrook too.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Should Blake Griffin make an All-NBA team?
    Statistically, he’s a top 3 PF this year.
    But that’s just based on strictly stats.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    @Enigmatic: Great question. I left him off, but couldnt be mad at anyone for including him. Assuming Dirk, LBJ and Durant are locks for three of the six forward spots; that leaves Melo, Gasol, STAT, Aldridge, Love and Griffin to fight it out. Personally I think Gasol and STAT will make it as F/C leaving three spots for the other 4. So will Griffin make it over Aldridge, Melo or Love?

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, probably not even though BG deserves to. There are quite a few “veteran” PFs that are having great seasons for him to get in, with veteran being emphasized because if he wasn’t a rook, he would be in without a doubt.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    no I don’t have him on one – and that’s the third time i’ve gotten someone elses info today. Slam this is becoming a real problem.

  • T-Money

    à propos of nothing, wtf happened to ben gordon?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Partly injuries, partly being in a crowded back-court, partly having a sh*tty coach and partly him not giving a sh*t cause he got his money are all reasons for BG’s decline, in my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Richard Hamilton, John Kuester and Rodney Stuckey…
    It wasn’t AI’s fault. Lol.

  • ThaWindy

    ^^agreed

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com just bcuz

    all i know is…everytime D.ROSE steps on the court he really believes he is the best player on the floor. whoever disagree so be it!! but half the battle is won because he really does believe that sh*t

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk, I don’t no what Jersey numbers you are talking about. I was talking about Deron himself shooting 35% on fgs and 27% on 3fgs. Russ/Deron for 3rd team is a toss up, but I will go with Russ because he has played more games.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    and because you hate deron

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Hate may be a bit too strong. With out bias either way, is it easy to say that one should clearly be above the other? IMO arguments can be made for Deron and Russ, but, like I said, I will take Russ for his consistency, having played every game so far.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I give Deron the edge because he’s clearly the superior player, and before the trade drama, was having the better overall season.
    It sucks that people forgot how dominant dude was out the gate. It was only when Al Jefferson proved incapable of learning the offense or defending, that things went south.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    hmmm Without Bias…That would be a good name for a Lenny Bias documentary…Thanks for the idea AllBall

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Seriously, I am not forgetting how he played, or how well the Jazz were doing. He was a POM and strong MVP candidate. How ever, since the new year, he tailed off before having a mini resurgence in Jersey. If he makes the 3rd team I will not be questioning that decision.

  • Scott

    No doubt Williams was having a great start to the season but Westbrook has played great the whole season. I’m not saying Williams isn’t a top 15 player cause I believe he is just not this season.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Nah the Jazz started really falling off when Deron was traded. Before that, they probably could have made the playoffs had they kept Deron Williams. Having a player like Al Jefferson is always a plus.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    my bad I thought you were saying New Jersey as a team has been shooting that bad. Either way, you can’t discount a guys season cuz he got traded. For the Year Deron Williams put up 20 and 10, to Russel’s 22 and 8. Deron put his numbers up as the best player on his team. All of their other numbers are literally equal. So I personally give the edge to Deron because he was the focus of the opposing team all year, plus his none of his assists came from Kevin Durant. I just can’t put the second best player on a team above the best player on a different team if their numbers are even. There is an obvious separation in responsibility and opposing team attention.

  • Riggs

    They will not beat the C’s in the playoffs and you can bank that. 4 Game sweep.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    they went 7 games with them 2 years ago, when they were much worse. and were playing against their CURRENT head coach. that logic is broken

  • Scott

    99.9% of the league would be the second best player if they played for Oklahoma.

  • Scott

    Does somebody actually think Boston is going to sweep Chicago in the playoffs?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    20/10/4 for the season. I may be exaggerating Derons drop off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Scott what would happen if the rest of the league is on Oklahoma is irrelevant. The point is, its pretty doubtful Russel Westbrook would have had as good a season had he been the alpha dog. He may have put up better per game stats, but his efficiency would have been even lower, and Oklahoma or whatever team, surely would have barely made the playoffs if at all.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Danny Ainge, why? Why? WHY???

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Deron and Russ have different roles and responsibilities and I think Deron has been the better player for the year. When Russ was killing with KD out, Deron was also killing. Deron has gotten injured and traded, but he changed the whole culture in New Jersey, which nobody thought possible and that was without a single good wrist.
    Anyway, six guards can make All-NBA.
    Rose, Wade, Kobe, Paul, Westbrook, Williams.
    Easy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    I still think Manu gets in. Coaches love San Antonio. Tim Duncan might even make a team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    @Scott – FOr an example, look at Monta Ellis’ stats, 24PPG, 6APG, 2Stls, 3.5RPG, but his team is a doormat. He’s not in the conversation, even though his stats say he should be.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Do you think Manu should make it over those six?
    I would put Monta on there, it’s not his fault that David Lee was injured and overrated, or that Steph was injured, but I’m not convinced Monta makes his teammates better.
    I think the other six all do at least a decent job at that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    I definitely don’t think Monta deserves to be in that conversation. And I don’t really think Manu does either, but I know the coaches always put a player from the best team in there. So if it has to be one of the Spurs I would say Manu or Parker. But no if I was voting I would leave him off.

  • Scott

    nbk, Allenp kind of already made the point. The short time Durant was injured Westbrook was playing at a top ten level. I think Westbrook could handle being the alpha dog and get Oklahoma a six seed or lower.

  • Scott

    nbk, agree 100% about Ellis I don’t think he should be mentioned at all for the all-nba. What about Rondo he has got to be in the discussion for third team?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Williams was better then Westbrook during that stretch, at the beginning of the season. Westbrook leading a team to the 6th seed in the west this year is an absurd idea IMO. He is out of control with the ball, doesn’t pace the game well, and his shot selection is questionable. He doesn’t have a skillset like Derrick Rose, actually he has only been playing the PG position for 4 years, so what he has done is pretty amazing, but that doesn’t make him better then Deron Williams. Maybe in the future

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Rondo is a weird one for me, at the beginning of the year he was possibly the best PG in the league, the way he was controlling every aspect of Boston’s games. But since Christmas he has just been a good PG, I wouldn’t put him on any of the top teams. Mainly because when Rondo did go down, Pierce stepped in, played the point, averaged double digit assists, and the Celtics kept on winning. It kind of hurt Rondo’s impact from my POV. I still think he gets on a defensive team, as much as Allen would disagree.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Just explain to me why you like him on defense so much. I respect your opinion, tell me what I’m missing because I just don’t see it. He looks good against inferior comp, but against top notch guards, he’s just reaching and waving.
    Holliday plays defense. Westbrook, except against Andre Miller and Rose, plays defense. Deron, Paul, they play defense.
    Rondo appears to be playing defense, but he’s just being pesky. Rose was assaulting him WAY too easily. WAY too easily.

  • Scott

    3 and 1 without Durant is a very small sample size I will give you that. A team of Westbrook, Ibaka, Perkins and Harden would conted for a low playoff seed out west.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    To be fair, not one point guard has been able to slow down Rose this season, with the exception of Kirk Hinrich, who besides being a criminally underrated defender, has also guarded Rose more often that anyone else in the NBA, albeit in practices.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Allen – Let me start off by saying that I don’t like him nearly as much as I did when we had our first conversation. He has fallin in love with that reach from behind, poke the ball away move. I rip into kids and teammates when they do that lazy crap, so first of all i’m angry with Rondo as a defender. But he does get steals (which will get him All-Defense Votes) – I like Rondo during the playoffs, he is a good situational defender, and he understands the strengths and weaknesses of every player on the floor. He will trap and swarm the right big men, and as doc says he understands their defensive system and plays as well in it as Kevin Garnett.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and he’s a full court pest, when motivated. Idk what happened, but starting with all those assists at the beginning of the year may have screwed up his defensive effort. He was talking about averaging 20 assists, when a player starts talking about averaging any kind of statistics it immediately sets off a little alarm in my head. I think all the success at the beginning of the season may have hurt Rondo defensively, because after physical gifts like athleticism and length, defense is about effort.

  • jimmer

    Rondo I just don’t get. He seems to have an incredible basketball brain; at times he has made me think it is one of the greatest the NBA has seen. He has huge hands and the physical gifts to do crazy things, yet he seems to have disastrous confidence issues. He just drifts or switches off completely. The mechanics of his shot are fine – anyone see him nail about 13 straight 3′s in a game of h.o.r.s.e with Durant last year? At times its like he steps on the court and he has a fatal panic attack about shooting the ball, and his focus just goes all over the place. Never seen anything like this. Ever.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jimmer
    Nick Anderson at the free throw line.
    But, I saw Rondo nailing jumpers against the Spurs and thought “Uh oh, if he does this in the playoffs, it’s curtains for everybody.”
    Then he can’t hit the side of a barn against the Bulls. So strange.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Rose has been doing that to literally everyone for the past few weeks allen. He gets by just about everyone WAY to easy. He has more moves with his dribble then any player i’ve seen since Rod Strickland. Its not even that he has a go-to move, he has so many different things he can do, plus he is so coordinated with his dribble he always has a counter for everything the defense does. Honestly, what Rose does with the ball as a PG off the dribble is what you try and teach every kid serious about the sport, learn how to counter everything, if thye stop this, then you have that. Not many guys have to many counter’s, Kobe has endless amounts of them, but they are predicated on scoring, Rose is similar, except his goal is to get in the lane.

  • jimmer

    @Allenp Those were big free throws… I think Rondo would go into cardiac arrest in the same situation, or more likely just put the ball down and walk off down the tunnel. Don’t get the kid. just don’t get it. Its like if he can’t kill you with the things he can do, he can’t be bothered to do anything else. And then he forgets to do the things he can do.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Nbk, that’s something that’s been overlooked when people talk about Rose’s improvement through the years.
    He’s always been a great ballhandler, but if you look back to his year at Memphis and his rookie year, he didn’t have nearly the amount of moves he has now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Matic you know how I feel about Rose’s improvement, he should be the shoe-in for MIP, in my opinion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Benjamin (Concord)

    Durant should win MVP for how he has taken a step back to make room for Westbrook’s growth while still leading the nba in scoring, he also improved his D and rebounding?
    John Hollinger (12:35 PM)

    “Taking a step back” .. haha. More like his point guard won’t give up the rock. I’m real interested to see how the Westbrook-Durant dynamic plays out, let’s put it that way. (ESPN – John Hollinger Chat)

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Just wanted to point that out because, Westbrook actually gets more possessions then Durant. And he only shoots 2 less shots. 17 shots for 22 points. 8 assists to 4 turnovers. That’s not All-NBA. Thats not even that good. (i’m not saying Westbrook isn’t a good player, but he is definitely overrated.)

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