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Monday, April 11th, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  268 responses

The Post Up: Heat Drop Celtics

While the Lakers lose their fifth straight.

by Cris Jones / @HeirJones

Chicago 102, Orlando 99

What a finish. The Bulls escaped Amway Center with a victory after Jameer Nelson’s would be game-tying jumper was ruled late. Derrick Rose dropped a game-high 39 points, on an efficient 13-17 shooting performance. The Bulls as a whole, shot 60 percent from the field, 7-13 from three point land, and 23-26 from the free throw line. Taj Gibson added 9 and 11 off the bench. The Magic were paced by Ryan Anderson, who poured in a team-high 28 points, along with 10 boards. Jason Richardson followed up with 24, on 10-14 shooting. Anderson and Richardson combined to net 19 of Orlando’s 35 made field goals. Although Dwight Howard missed this contest due to suspension, Chicago only out-rebounded Orlando37 to 33. Derrick Rose took some pretty nasty falls in this one (even breaking his fall with his hand at times), frightening every Bulls fan across the globe. But don’t expect the Bulls to put on the brakes, as they are only one game back of the Spurs for the No. 1 overall seed.

Miami 100, Boston 77

This highly-anticipated part two of Sunday afternoon’s doubleheader turned out to be a stinker. Boston jumped out to an early 11-2 lead, but Miami withstood Boston’s initial punch and took the lead in the 2nd quarter. The Heat never looked back at the aging guys in green. LeBron James was the only Heat player to score more than 20, with his 27 points and 7 assists. The Celtics’ center position woes become more alarming by the day, as Jermaine O’Neal went scoreless, and Nenad Krstic added 2. The only Boston players that came equipped with their offensive games, were Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, who dropped 24 and 21, respectively. The Heat out-rebounded the Celtics 42-26, and the Heat’s Joel Anthony played a huge part in that, as he grabbed 10 boards. Rajon Rondo continued his post All-Star break struggles with a 7-point, 5-assist day. Miami is now one game ahead of Boston with two games left to play.

Side note: This one got a little chippy in the second quarter when Jermaine O’Neal hit James with a stiff shoulder, as James was attempting a layup. O’Neal was hit with a flagrant-one and both teams had to be separated. The fact that O’Neal attempted to body block James, yet fell back several feet was kind of funny to me.

Oklahoma City 120, L.A. Lakers 106

This one was tight heading into the fourth, and even into the final three minutes. But after Kobe Bryant put the Lakers ahead 104-103, the Thunder closed the game out on a 17-2 run, which left the Lakers feeling the pain of a fifth straight defeat. Kevin Durant scored 31 on only 15 attempts from the field, and Russell Westbrook stuffed the sheet with 26, 6 rebounds and 7 assists. The duo of Bryant and Pau Gasol also combined for 57 points. The key to Thunder’s confidence-building win was clearly their bench, as they outscored L.A.’s bench 37-20. The 38-23 rebounding margin win also played an integral part in the victory. Andrew Bynum was the only Laker to grab more than 5 rebounds in last night’s game with his 13. L.A. now has an identical 55-25 record with Dallas, but the tie-breaker is in the Lakers’ favor. Oklahoma City is only a single game behind L.A. and Dallas, with two games left to be played.

Memphis 111, New Orleans 89

Chris Paul was held scoreless, so naturally the Hornets lost. This match up was one of the more intriguing ones coming into yesterday, as both teams seem hell bent on reaching the sixth spot in the West. But the final score left little doubt about which team seems more likely to make some noise in the Western Conference Playoffs. After a close first half, the Grizzlies completely dominated the second,outscoring the Hornets 59-41. Hornets’ guard, Marco Belinelli scored 16 in the first quarter, but finished the game with only 18 points. OJ Mayo scored 18 off the bench for Memphis, and Greivis Vasquez added13 of his own. Both New Orleans and Memphis share a 46-34 record. Memphis finished their home regular season schedule with a 30-11 record after this win. They look to be a tough opponent to face at the FedExForum in the coming weeks.

New York 110, Indiana 109

Andre Iguodala and Danny Granger are often mentioned in the same breath (just look at SLAM’s 500 Greatest issue). They can now be mentioned as the guys Carmelo Anthony hit game-winning or go-ahead jumpers over, during this past weekend. Once again, from the right side of the court, Anthony rose for a quick jumper before the defender knew what hit him. He finished with 34 points on 11-28 shooting. The Pacers headed into the last period up 96-87, but were outscored 23-13 in those final 12 minutes. The Knicks defense—yes, defense—forced Indiana into some awful possessions down the stretch, culminating with Anthony’s block on Granger’s jumper as the seconds on the clock dwindled to triple zeros. The Knicks won despite shooting 38.8 percent from the field. Roy Hibbert had 19 and 10 for the Pacers.

Stat that made noise on Twitter last night: Anthony has surpassed Kobe Bryant (16-15) for the most game winning shots (to go ahead with 10 seconds or less in the fourth or overtime) since 2003.

Dallas 115, Phoenix 90

The Mavericks, who once looked destined for a third place finish, could possibly grab the much sought after 2nd spot in the West. Their 25-point drubbing of Phoenix only helped them in their quest. Dallas established a 36-17 lead after 12 minutes, and proceeded to cruise to the finish line. The Mavs’ bench scored 62 points to Phoenix’s 45. The Suns were out-rebounded 51-37 in this one.

Sacramento 104, Golden State 103

The Warriors were looking to extend a winning streak past three for the first time all season, but the Kings made sure they were unsuccessful. Marcus Thornton scored a team-high 21 for the Kings, but no 2 points were more important than the step-back jumper he hit to put the Kings up 104-100 with 12.8 seconds left in regulation. DeMarcus Cousins recorded a cool double-double, with 15 and 13. On the flip, Stephen Curry stuffed the stat sheet with 27-6-8. David Lee dropped 24, and grabbed 14 off the rim.

Toronto 99, New Jersey 92

The Raptors were in control of this game for the majority of the 48. But the Nets did their best to make it interesting with a furious comeback in the fourth. However, they came up just short. Brook Lopez scored 35—and ripped down 11 boards—including 7 offensive rebounds. DeMar Derozan, Amir Johnson,and Ed Davis poured in 18 points apiece for this Raptors squad that only played eight men in this one.

Detroit 112, Charlotte 101

After getting lit up for 40 in the first quarter, Detroit settled things down to make it respectable at halftime. Then a 34-19 third period put the Pistons ahead going into the final frame. Rodney Stuckey led all scorers with 24, and dropped 11 dimes as well. Both teams shot over 50 percent from the field, but Charlotte shot 44.4 percent from the free throw line (8-18). DJ Augustin recorded a double-double with 14 points and 14 helpers.

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  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    SMH, Carmelo Anthony is a KILLER during WINNING TIME! There are only 2 players in the NBA who have this kind of clutch pulsating through their veins. One wears 24 and the other wears 7. I CAN’T WAIT for the Knicks/Bulls game tomorrow night on TNT! SWEEP!

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    I love the enthusiasm Orange, but chill with the silly predictions my dude…I’ve had enough of the regular season lol! Seems like a lot of the teams have too. Everyone’s record is going back to 0-0 so I couldn’t care less who won or lost the past couple of games.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    damn. my Celtics have me worried. Shaq better be able to come back, otherwise, things aren’t looking good. first and foremost, we need to rebound, since that will allow us to get out in transition. we haven’t been running lately, which goes a long way in explaining why Rondo has had these low assist games and Ray’s only averaging 9 or so field goal attempts in their last 10 (a guy who destroyed the Heat in their first three games!). they can still get things together and get to the finals again, but they need Shaq and they need to zone in on a few problems.

  • T-Money

    If we’re going to actually debate “clutchness”, Melo is a league of his own. Kobe just gets to shoot ALL of his team’s shots in the clutch, games like yesterday and the one before are forgotten quickly while game winners live on forever. That’s why Kobe fans refuse to believe the stats about his play in crunch time. I’ve always said this: I give props to Kobe for always being WILLING to take the shot with a game on the line but he has no special ability to hit that particular shot – he misses it as often as everybody else.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    t-money knows the truth. SMH lol

  • T-Money

    boston fans: you do realize that shaq and perk are not the same person, right? shaq NEVER shows hard on screens. NEVER. He does occupy space down low but he’s not active on defense like Perk is.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @zoom: I make gold records! Go Knicks!

  • bull22

    well for knicks fans their larry o’brien moment may come tommorrow, because that is their only golden moment they they are going to if they win… hahaha

  • karma

    I loved seeing JO trying to knock Lebron’s punk a$s down. More teams should knock him down. lol @ the Heat trying to act tough – bunch of crybabies on that team, now thinking they’re tough cause they beat a old Boston team past its prime (after Perkins).

  • karma

    Can we please for the love of God not debate clutchness?

    Kobe is past his prime, even as a clutch shooter, and I am a huge Kobe fan.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I just want Enigmatic to keep telling me it’s a fluke. I love that ish!

  • bull22

    @lightsout, boston is still tough, its difficult beating a team 4 games in a row.
    iam sure they will be ready when the playoffs begin..

  • karma

    “I give props to Kobe for always being WILLING to take the shot with a game on the line but he has no special ability to hit that particular shot – he misses it as often as everybody else. ”

    I think its fun to pick on players when they’re past thier prime.

    Kobe is past his prime as a clutch shooter, and I’ll admit that despite being a huge Kobe homer.

    In his prime though? Kobe was a beast, and you know it.

  • karma

    As far as stats go, the problem is with the way Abott skews the stats in his favour. His definition of clutch is the last 24 seconds, which is too small of a sample size. If you look at 82games.com’s clutch stats for the LAST 5 MINUTES of the 4th quarter and overtime, Kobe is usually top 3, and was #1 in 2009. That’s a more accurate definition of clutch and Kobe’s stats matchup with what we see with our eyes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Nobody wants to see OKC in the playoffs. If they play D like they played last night you can pencil them in to the finals. LA fans no need to panic, this is what they always do. Turn it on and turn it off. But losing five straight it not a way you want to enter in the playoffs.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOi6mRJAi4 IAMORANGE4EVER

    Not to digress, but in my opinion, the most memorable clutch Kobe moment came against the Suns, on April 30, 2006, in game 4 of the first round. Click my name to relive it. That’s clutch. You can’t coach it.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Orange, cmon man, tone it down a bit. Yes the Knicks look good right now and yes they have a chance of upsetting the Celtics. But we don’t need you to go crazy after each and every win. I don’t want to see you making excuses in about 2 weeks when the Knicks start losing playoff games.

  • karma

    LA has no reason to panic. I think the Thunder are definitely tougher with Perkins, but come the playoffs, the intensity from the Lakers will be up about 5 notches since they know that Phil’s season (and their own) is on the line.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Derrick Rose was amazing.

  • karma

    Its good to see that at this time on SLAM, only the more mature crowd is posting. During the afternoon, it seems to be mostly morons that can’t adequately analyze a game and speak from their ass, spewing pointless things like “KOBE RULEZZZ” or “KOBE HAS 5 RINGS” that make all of us Laker fans look bad.

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    LOL @ Orange, @bulls22: seriously dude, your team has yet to make it out of the first round. Talk ish and celebrate when they win something. Last night KG made a comment referencing the top two teams in the East. The Bulls weren’t one of them. I’m not saying that means anything, but they still haven’t earned respect from the two main contenders in the East. And I love all the sh*t talking about the Knicks from guy’s whose teams have either exited the playoffs 1st round every year, or can’t even snag the one seed with the superfriends. Everyone’s record is 0-0 in the playoffs. Remember that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOi6mRJAi4 IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Caboose: First off, no disrespect, but you don’t tell me how to post here. Second, I’m not a front runner fan, nor do I go “nuts” after each Knicks win. I’m here when I can be here win or lose.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Orange, I speak for a lot of posters here. When it comes to other teams, you make a lot of good points. But chill with the Knicks cause zoom is right, y’all haven’t won anything yet.

  • T-Money

    I thought it was curious that OKC went with Collison instead of Ibaka at the end. There’s probably nothing Bynum can do to earn crunch time minutes over Odom at this point – Phil loves his vets. I wonder how OKC fans will react when Westbrook calls his own number down the stretch of playoffs games if he misses. I really get the feeling that Russell thinks he’s the best player on the team.

  • karma

    I know they haven’t won a playoffs series, but winning 60 games is no joke and makes them a legitimate threat. If anything, Chicago’s grind it out style of playing offense and defense should help them even more during the playoffs since they’ve played in that manner all season long.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Sigh.
    “Y’all haven’t won anything yet.”
    Exactly.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @Caboose: For real, go check your diapers.

  • Scott

    Boston is done. I don’t see them getting past the secound round of the playoffs. It’s a shame considering they looked like a lock for the championship until the Perkins trade. Also, Oklahoma City looks like they can compete with LA and after beating them they have to believe it too.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, ok Zoom.
    I love all the sh*t-talking from Knicks fans whose team is barely in the Playoffs for the first time since Carmelo was a rookie.

  • bull22

    @zoom, dont worry brother, my team looks very ready to do the hard work it takes to get to finals. too bad we dont get your team in 1st round.. you are right its 0-0, but in ineptness and lack of defense is exposed in playoffs…
    that all of us will see..

  • Scott

    According to 82games.com. Nowitzki is the most clutch scorer in the NBA. His numbers put Kobe’s to shame for what it’s worth.

  • karma

    I wouldn’t say Boston is “done”. The Perk trade made them lose thier swagger and it was an ill advised move, but Boston can and will turn it up in the playoffs once the Big 3 come alive. They’re very comparable to the Lakers and doubting them should be done with extreme caution.

  • Scott

    Karma, I hope Im wrong but you’re right Boston has lost their swagger. The East is much improved from last year. In 2010 nobody was as good as Chicago is this year.

  • karma

    “According to 82games.com. Nowitzki is the most clutch scorer in the NBA. His numbers put Kobe’s to shame for what it’s worth.”

    I don’t think anyone ever outright says KOBE IS THE ONLY CLUTCH PLAYER AND EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS. Only people who don’t really watch basketball say things like that. Guys like Dirk, Carmelo, and – even though I hate him – Lebron are clutch in their own right. But to suggest that Kobe is 25th or whatever Henry Abott suggests he is, is stupid. For the love of God, he has Shawn Marion in the Top 5 with his definition of clutch. When’s the last time anyone gave the ball to Marion to create a shot as time expires?

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    @ Enig: It’s not sh*t talking if it’s true. Personally, I don’t value a first round exit over missing the playoffs entirely. Both scenarios suck. @bull22: There’s no point in a verbal exchange with you. You’re hopeless.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    And Eboy’s not even here yet.

  • dsleepy

    you gotta love his enthusiasm though. can’t hate, wish my team was making noise like that too instead of being stuck in the lottery again

  • Scott

    Calm down Karma stats can be misleading. You totaly took my statement wrong.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    I don’t understand how the Lakers can only have one turnover for three quarters and then have eight in the last nine minutes of the game…Good game by the Thunder though.They are going to be a tough out in the playoffs

  • karma

    No, but Nowitzki is clutch though, so I’m not surprised that his numbers are better than Kobe’s. My point is, you can mold stats to prove any point you want. Henry molds the stats in such a way that Kobe is seen like a terrible or average player with the game on the line, which he is not, especially earlier in his career. Likewise, expanding the definition of clutch by even 3-5 minutes drastically changes the player rankings in clutch moments, as Kobe goes from something like #21 or #1-3. Its easy to look at box scores and say a guy sucks, but when you watch the dynamics of a game and see that everyone in the whole world knows you’re going to shoot it, and the geared is COMPLETELY shifted towards you with 5 seconds left, its hard to score.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @karma: Calling Shawn Marion a top 5 clutch player is classic calculator head.

  • Mvp23100

    It’s rowdy in here playoff time I see

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Orange, I better not hear one peep of whining out of you when the Knicks lose in the first round.

  • HAMMER

    Reason #28 why Mark Jackson sucks as an anylyst: He’s 4gettful. Yesterday he dropped a gem when he said that the ONLY team that can beat Miami by the way they played yesterday, were the Lakers. Really? Seriously? I guess my Bulls beating Miami the 3 times they played each other means nothing. While the Lakers lost BOTH games to the Heat and now have a 5 game losing streak while Chi has 60 wins. Riiiight Mark. Besides, the Celtic team that they beat yesterday is not the same team that beat the Heat the 3 previous meetings.

  • Scott

    Karma which column header did you clik on that had Marion in the top 5?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    So because the Bulls didn’t make it out the first round as an 8 or 7 seed they MUST not be able to as a 1 seed?
    Sound logic.
    Shoutout to Heat fans this morning. Who have (so far) been a classy fanbase despite having more of a right to talk sh*t than the fanbase of the team that barely beat the Pacers…or a Howardless Magic for that matter.

  • karma

    “Karma which column header did you clik on that had Marion in the top 5?”

    Its in the original post by Abott…its a sidebar ranking. Lebron/Kobe, etc are below top 15 and Shawn Marion (and some other dubious names) are top 10.

  • ThaWindy

    Ref number 24 for the Bulls vs Magic game was definitely getting paid. 3 of many missed calls come to mind. One, Watson pushed in the back by Duhan into a charge. J.Richardson fouled by Korver on the break. Should have been an and-one. And Rose fouled on his drive to the basket by Turkeycrap and they called the ball out on Rose. Hard to get a true feel for the game when refs are making momentum starting or stopping calls. Magic played hard and probably should have won. But when you have the youngest MVP in NBA history on your team you can get the close win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I still maintain it sucks that the Heat’s season ended when they lost 5 in a row.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Was I the only one that thought JO looked like a big, green tackling dummy that got crushed by Lebron?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Boo hoo quit your cying.

  • wssss

    i am a die hard lakers fan but we need to fix sum serious issues if we want to make it at least to the 2nd round, theres alot of things we need to be a contender and right now we’re playing like a JV squad -____-

    oh and bron isnt clutch how many times did lebron made the winning shot for miami? (pause) yall think he’s clutch only cuz he made that ONE shot against the Magic in the 09 playoffs remember that one? lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    All kidding aside, I was certain the Heat had another gear defensively that they could wheel out. Yesterday was a great jumping off point. To be honest, it won’t matter for sh*t if they drop the game tonight in Atlanta. But as it stands, they have the third best record in the league and potential home-court advantage over every team not named San Antonio and Chicago….so there may be one series they have to deal with more road games and from a fan’s standpoint, I’m good with that.

  • Mvp23100

    D Rose played excellent yesterday very efficient dropped 39 and they still barely got the win without Howard that 2nd round Bulls Magic series will be interesting I don’t think Chicago can beat them In a series

  • The Angel of Stern

    ahh Eboy beat me to it ..

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I liked that JO did that cause someone has to tell LeBron he has to actually try basketball moves to get to the rim not just run at it like a train every single time.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    All i can do is smile… you shouldn’t be suprised though, hes been doing it for years

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lebron laughs at roadblocks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    His mom laughs at valets….

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @T-money…you said Kobe has no particular special ability to hit clutch shots. Really? What about last year when he hit like ten game winners or the trailblazer/laker game in 2004? C’mon now…

  • vtrobot

    how many total minutes did perk even play with the C’s this year? granted, it was with the assumption that they’d eventually have a big, healthy front line, but when the C’s were looking like a lock to win it all, perk was nowhere to be seen. please don’t write off the C’s yet. seeding is a huge part of the good luck that it takes to win a championship and if the lakeshow gets NOH in the first round, they’ll be lucky as f*ck. @ ORANGE: i’m not looking forward to a C’s/NY first round, although it should be a good battle. BTW, post whatever and whenever you want, my man. the elitist posting mentality on here is pretty funny sometimes. whoever’s been posting for the most years = smartest dude. if tex winter suddenly got healthy and starting posting on here, his opinion would mean sh*t to some. peace.

  • The Angel of Stern

    Lebron’s shooting percentage has been rediculous lately, 58.4 percent in the last 10 games. Also, does anyone know why damp was inactive yesterday ? I can understand if he just didn’t play cause spo felt he had an advantage with anthony/ilgauskas, but he went from starting center to the 4th center behind magloire ?

  • MUBWAR

    Great game by the heat. But where were these defensive intensity earlier in the season. I met JO in his days with the raptors and the man is just huge. then last night he tried to take out Lebron but he fumbled down the court. that number 6 dude is just tooo damn strong

  • The Angel of Stern

    @ kap, your just proving his point… he said “games like yesterday and the one before are forgotten quickly while game winners live on forever. That’s why Kobe fans refuse to believe the stats about his play in crunch time”. Then you bring up a game from 2004 ?

  • ThaWindy

    I thought these games didnt mean shi*. Funny how when your team wins you care about the reg season. Man some yall some true phags!lol

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    Nah, I didn’t say they couldn’t make it out. Unlike most cats around here, I’m not into predictions. I just think boasting before accomplishments is stupid, especially when recent history dictates otherwise. It’s not the same as having confidence in a team. I’m also a firm believer that ANYTHING can happen in the playoffs. I remember when the Knicks made it to the finals as an 8th seed. Everyone’s record is 0-0 when the postseason starts.

  • A.

    @Kap: It went from 6 to 10? Really? I know he makes some tough shots in the clutch, but this is the reason why many people don’t take Kobe fans seriously. Dude hit 6 game winners last year. Not 10. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…

  • ThaWindy

    Seen a vid of Vince Carter highlights of nothing but buzzer beaters for his entire career. That dude was clutch

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    The struggling Hawks should get a win at home tonight against the Heat. The Celtics won’t lose to the Wiz tonight…no way. Heat slipping back in the 3 seed is likely, and if Magic win in Philly, the Knicks own the 6 seed. First round, Knicks vs. Heat. Forget about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I know he hasn’t been the closer he was in previous years but let’s not make it seem like he was an average player in the clutch in previous years. He was hands down one of the best if not the best even though Carmelo has something to say about that.

  • T-Money

    LakeShow: What message did JO send, really? “Don’t come in here or else I’ll shoulder you and end up in the stanchion while you barely move?”

  • T-Money

    ORANGE: So the Hawks “should” get a win and Heat slipping back to #3 is “likely”? I think you meant to say “I want the Hawks to win tonight and Miami slipping back to #3 would be fantastic!!!”

  • winitall

    nah magic were good with out dh but thats because of anderson having a lucky game and pretty almost totally making up for howard yes dh plays better d but he still cant stop d rose unless he plays dirty we have all ready seen that so yeah and celts c,mon prove some thing your self your old and are having your ass,es beat down of late like they say what have you shown me lately so yeah what.

  • winitall

    and as far as clutch gos d rose is actually the wright there with kb

  • Angel of Stern

    co-sign T-Money on the last 2 comments

  • winitall

    and kg is a bigmouth who only can talk the talk not walk the walk in the past he could but now like i said there old to old and shaq is not going to be much more than a big body not a superman haha so dont put to much hope in him lol another was great and now old player but they were both beast but yeah that then this is now bulls are taking over the east and heat well we will see if lebron can become clutch once more like he used to be.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Am I the only one that is having a hard time deciphering the language of some of these comments?

  • winitall

    @eboy lol yeah i was typing to fast im busy

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    The girlfriend and I just broke up. C’mon playoffs.

  • wssss

    no Eboy i feel u -____-

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-qubXVrCyM&feature=player_embedded IAMORANGE4EVER

    @T-Money: Let me fix it… Tonight, the Hawks, Celtics, and Magic WILL WIN. These results put the Heat back in the 3 seed, and have the Knicks owning the 6 seed. I love saying this, BOOK IT!

  • JTaylor21

    I swear there are about a million bulls fans that seemingly cropped out of no where the last few months ever since the bulls rise to the top of ec standings.
    Just one question? Where were y’all during the bulls early struggles and first round exits?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Exactly, Zoom. You said “especially when recent history dictates otherwise”.
    Well, in recent history the Bulls were the 8th and 7th seed, like I said.
    And only Rose, Noah, Deng and Gibson remain from last year’s team.
    And Vinny Del Negro was the head coach.
    Vinny F*cking Del Negro
    Therefore, recent history is irrelevant in this case.
    I’m not saying the Bulls will win it all, but c’mon, saying a Bulls fan shouldn’t have confidence in their team because the Bulls lost in the first round last two years is wack.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I don’t see the Bulls slipping up in round 1. Pacers aren’t ready.

  • karma

    “Just one question? Where were y’all during the bulls early struggles and first round exits?”

    HAH!!!! This is coming from a guy who was a hardcore Cavs fan last year and now rides the Heat like a groupie on All-Star weekend? Sit down.

    Also, there NEEDS to be moderators on the SLAM boards filtering the comments, you guys seriously have the worst collection of commenters on a big-name site when it comes to intelligent discussions. Most of the people that comment here can’t even string together proper sentences, let alone analyze basketball. Stop trying to be hood and please type in proper English, it’s not that hard to be educated, seriously.

  • J DILLA

    The Heat beat the Celtics with an injured depleted roster and a non motivated Rondo…Please give me a break, don’t read too much into, K.G still outplayed that baby powder forward u guys have anointed part of the big three. Don’t think for a second this victory means anything…DA BULLS!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ah yes because the “hood” is where intelligence goes to die, right Karma?
    And why do you assume you’d make it past the comment moderator?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Love Allenp @ 12:36!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Although, please can we get a log-in system around here?!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Although, please can we get a log-in system around here?!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    y’know, this whole “everybody’s record is 0-0 once playoffs start” is starting to get really annoying.
    sure i suppose thats true, but you really wanna hang on to that and completely dismiss the regular season?
    i’m not saying that an upset isn’t possible, cuz it very well is. as confident as i am in the bulls, the pacers could do something miraculous. but i doubt it. why? cuz the bulls beat them 3 times this season and have a 60-20 record. good/bad habits are hard to break, so don’t expect your team to drastically change into title contenders come saturday. *cough*knicksfans*cough*

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    My dude, having confidence isn’t the same as bragging before a win takes place. Like, I’m confident the Knicks can at least take Miami and Boston to a game seven should they face either team in the 1st round. What I won’t do is get on here boasting and making predictions before anyone accomplishes anything. Just because the Bulls are the no.1 seed in the East doesn’t mean anything is guaranteed. That’s not hating, it’s being realistic. They are unproven to top it off. All I’m saying is let them at least get out of the first round before the boasting begins. “We haven’t done sh*t yet.”–Derrick Rose.

  • karma

    AllenP, I get that you’re a regular commenter and defensive of your turf so to speak, but you can’t seriously tell me that other than the regular guys who seem like they’re above 18 (Eboy, Enigmatic, T-Money, etc), this board is usually littered with bad sentences, spelling, and thoughts that don’t make much sense.

  • karma

    **seriously not tell me

    Its a frustrating experience commenting on the site compared to sites like TheBigLead or even RealGM because the level of moderation is very low. I know you’re thinking that I should just stop coming here then, but I like the writers and features on SLAM so I’ll visit it. I just don’t bother commenting as often for the reasons I outlined previously.

  • karma

    Case in point: “and kg is a bigmouth who only can talk the talk not walk the walk in the past he could but now like i said there old to old and shaq is not going to be much more than a big body not a superman haha so dont put to much hope in him lol another was great and now old player but they were both beast but yeah that then this is now bulls are taking over the east and heat well we will see if lebron can become clutch once more like he used to be.”

    Sorry to pick on you dude….but, yeah.

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    @ Brag all you want when it happens. That’s all im saying. I’m not doubting the chances of them making out of the first round. Just saying NOTHING is guaranteed in the playoffs. The same can be said of any team. A lot of Bulls fans (bandwagoners and loyal fans alike) seem to get their panties in a bunch whenever anyone makes a statement other than “DRose is the best player alive” and “the Bulls are winning the East”. Take it down a notch.

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    *last comment was @ airs

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    no boasting here bro, although some bulls fans here may do that…more than needed…or wanted.
    and that wasn’t towards you really. more towards orange.
    and personally i hope the knicks take it to the heat, for real.

  • http://slamoonline.com zoom

    @ karma: Nitpicking about grammar on a blog, particularly when your own is not up to par, is a waste of time and energy. Skip over the posters you have an issue with. Problem solved.

  • T-Money

    Karma
    I’m not defensive of my turf. I don’t have any turf.
    But, I think the level of English on here is the same as almost any other site that gets tons of comments. This ain’t a niche team site. This is the sort of site that people from all visit. And, since most Americans read on an 8th grade level, I would expect them to write the same way.
    I’m not so much annoyed by poor spelling, punctuation and grammar, as I am by poor thinking. In addition, I think it’s funny that people equate poor intelligence and education with the hood. True, lots of cats in the hood don’t get a quality education, but that doesn’t mean they lack intelligence.
    Ignorance and stupidity are not synonyms.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    People really think the Knicks and Heat is some kind of war in the making, huh? Is it because Knicks people and Heat haters think that’s the best chance to get the Heat out early? That’s stupid thinking….if anything, Knicks people should be hoping to meet the Celts….the Celts are the ones sucking balls for weeks and don’t seem to have “mojo” or “leprachaun luck” on their side right now. Be careful what you wish for, ’cause you might NOT get it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That 12:57 comment by T-Money is actually me. Now that pisses me off way more than the poor English used in comments.
    I’ve visited those other sites, and they have an overabundance of snarky jokes and mainstream opinions. True, this site has some of those same problems, but it’s really not that unusual, from what I can see.
    I support people having a dedicated name that only they can use, but I don’t support the idea that only comment approved by some higher power can get through. Or the system Deadspin used to use where you had to compete to earn commenting rights.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    airs; Whilst all your points were valid, EVERYONE starts 0-0. For teams such as the Knicks/Nuggets/Thunder/Blazers/Hornets/Grizzlies/Celtics, then it is like a brand new season. These teams have all had major roster changes after the 50th game played.

  • JTaylor21

    from the looks of it, diddy’s campaign to eradicate b*tcha**ness failed miserably.
    Where the hell is karl rove when you need him?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i don’t think its the best chance to get the heat out early, i just think the matchups would be fun to watch. and i personally love seeing underdogs win. unless its against my team of course.

  • ThaWindy

    I’ve always thought of Slam as an urban basketball mag. So I have always felt that slang was appropriate for this site.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i understand that allball, but ideally it would make upsets well, not an upset. there is a regular season for a reason and i honestly don’t think just because your record is 0-0 all of a sudden it makes your team’s game that much better.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Oh, and the Heat punched Boston straight in the mouth last night. Boston looked like the past its prime fighter, whilst the Heat looked like the hungry up and coming contender.
    Similar story over in LA, too. OKC could give L.A issues over 7, but we have to remember that it is not often (maybe ever) that Durant is 26 points on 11-15 shooting efficient. That performance was remarkable. Same with Westbrook. He can be very erratic at times.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    “but ideally it would make upsets well, not an upset”. Great point, for a team like Chicago, which has had the same names (although not always healthy) all season, the play-offs are just a follow on of all the great work. Other teams will be looking at it as a fresh start.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    At least the comments on here aren’t as bad as YouTube.
    And nowhere near the jocking on ESPN. Couple ESPN’s favoritism with the lack of basketball savvy fans and it makes SLAM the premier spot to talk hoops. Could it be better? Yes. Will it ever be perfect? Not even close. Trust in the writers, trust the commentary from people you recognize and pay the “look-at-me-I-wrote-something-sorta-funny-sorta-annoying-or-I-wrote-wrote-a-ridiculous-statement-to-get-under-such-and-such-and-laugh-at-the-ensuing-demise-type bloggers no mind. Peace.

  • bull22

    @zoom, i know what is like to dream for an upset that is not going happen lol.. (with the exception of the knicks talented team in 1999
    that boasted sprewell,houston,camby,ewing and johnson) that team like what the bulls have is razor sharp defense which can get you places… APRIL 16,2011 mark it on your calendar, because two weeks from that the GRIM reality of the season ending for some of our teams is going to happen.. then will begin all the excuse-making will begin for losing fans.
    hahaha

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Zoom, I’m saying, I feel like you your issue is with one commenter only.
    My issue with your issue is you turned it into an “all Bulls fans” issue.
    And you said “having confidence isn’t the same as bragging before a win takes place”.
    Who the hell is bragging about such things except IAMORANGE?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Sigh.
    And bull22…

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose is pretty good at basketball, but I seriously think Orlando is gonna give Chicago fits in round 2. The matchups just don’t sit well in Chicago’s favor IMO.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If the Magic play defense as a unit, they can push that series to seven. I think Dwight is still a head case, so I think the Bulls take it, but I won’t be a cakewalk. Bull should be in the ECF unless something goes horribly wrong.
    That’s why the regular season is important.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    oh, and i don’t ever recall myself saying “drose is the best player alive”. although i see nothing wrong with thinking the bulls could take the east. and yeah last night completely exposed boozer. wtf was he doing, he didn’t wanna post up at all.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Jameer Nelson and Dwight Howard also play huge against the Bulls.
    So if the rest of the Magic step their games up, and like Allen says if they play defense, then yeah, the Magic will give the Bulls hella problems.
    I still expect the Bulls to take it though.
    That is, assuming they make it past the first round.
    Because you know, they didn’t do that the last two seasons.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    *always, not also

  • ThaWindy

    Is it the real season yet?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    My thing is, Dwight takes a lot of what Derrick Rose brings away by being at the hoop. Joakim’s limited range, and well frankly, inability to be a scoring threat makes things a lot easier for Dwight. And if Ryan Anderson can rebound in the series then what good will Boozer really be? I mean for Orlando it will come down to shooting, it pretty much always does, that’s why i’ll take Chicago in 6, but I won’t be surprised if Orlando knocks them off.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If they lose to the Pacers, it would be a bigger shock than when the Mavs lost to the Warriors. At least to me.
    The Magic matchup well against the Bulls. Anderson pulls Noah or Boozer away from the basket, Dwight can potentially get their entire frontline in foul trouble. Richardson spreads the floor and Turk, Bass and QRich are all quality players.
    But, the Bulls have Derrick Rose, and nobody for the Magic has any shot of stopping him. Period.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    The Cavs had LeBron James, and people said largely the exact same thing.

  • Fat Lever

    The lack of security on a commenters identity made me put in a bogus email address. Shouldn’t have to happen on an established website like this. And I didn’t realize that the SLAM boards were admission tests to becoming a Rhodes scholar. Shoot, I gots to get my slanguage up, na’mean(I hope that wasn’t too “hood”.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I do think the Bulls’ depth at PF/C will really help against Dwight.
    Noah, Thomas, Asik, Gibson and Boozer could all take turns at C.
    That’s 30 fouls right there.
    And Deng will be huge in that series.
    If he’s on his game, and Rose is too, the Magic can’t beat the Bulls.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Can I be hood too?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    the key has to be boozer. he had what, 8? points and we squeaked by with a win. derrick picked up the slack but if he has to play like that all the time, its gonna be a tougher route. i still take the bulls in 6

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    LeBron did not have a single player of the caliber of Boozer or Deng on his squad. And Noah is better than Varejo and Gibson is probably Varejo’s equal and he doesn’t even start.
    That’s the big difference. Plus, Rose isn’t LeBron. Not saying he’s better, but I’m saying the way he gets in the lane is different from what LeBron could do.

  • SpursFan

    Tiago ROY

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Yes, Teddy
    For three easy payments of $19.95 you too can be hood.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    fair enough, and I agree that Chicago is much more talented then those Cleveland teams my point is just that people didn’t give Orlando a shot against Cleveland (I was one of them) but that didn’t pan out. I’m not willing to say Orlando doesn’t have a shot this time around.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bulls fans answer this honestly.
    Wouldn’t you all feel more confident going into the playoffs if you had Bosh, Amare, or even Zach Randolph instead of Boozer?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, I love watching Z-Bo and Marc Gasol play together. The way they pass to each other, and the way Z-Bo beasts people is great fun.
    Boozer and Noah pass pretty well, but I don’t like Boozer. Lol.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Allen – yes, yes, and umm….yes.
    Boozer’s too small, too weak, too slow, TOO BAD!
    On D anyways…

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    But that’s just my opinion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    I’d rather have Boozer then Randolph, just to defend the pick and roll. But speaking of memphis, LA cannot want to play them at all. like at all.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    But I’ll take Boozer’s toughness over Bosh’s toughness.
    I’d take the cowardly lion’s toughness over Bosh’s…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    god i can’t stand boozer.
    i would have loved to have amare, even bosh.
    why does he have to touch the ball after every free throw or dead ball? and scream every other possession? DAH.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    lol
    GIVE ME THAT!!!!
    AND-ONE!!!!!
    GRAB THAT, JO!!!!

  • Scott

    I think Chicage fans would rather have Ray Allen. They would be lethal. Still they’re the team to beat in the east.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    or GET IN THERE! or, GET OUT THERE! or, GIMME DAT SH*T while yanking a rebound from his teammates.

  • Scott

    nbk, I don’t think San Antonio or LA want anything to do with Memphis. Who would have thought Mayo would be giving them quality minutes the way this season has went for him?

  • bull22

    actually no, amare is overpaid and does not play defense (has had games with 1 or zero rebounds) zach randolph plays whenever he feels like playing.
    the bulls dont have the fanciest players, but if they continue to make it ugly defensively for other teams, then the GOOD things begin to happen..

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LMAO
    I thought I was the only one who wondered at all his random comments.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enigmatic just expressed his undying love for Duke in no certain terms.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    LOL yeah, I seen him yank a rebound from Deng yesterday, and Deng’s body language was like “damn, it’s like that?
    And speaking of “being hood”, I just think it’s funny how Boozer’s always the loudest dude on the court and always has a mean-mug.
    Like yo, you grew up in Juneau, Alaska and went to Duke.
    Come on, son.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Scott to be honest OJ was still a disappointment. He should be better, I thought that Indiana trade was gonna put his career right back on track. Tony Allen being viable offensively is the “wtf happened” surprise for me. I watched them run plays for Tony Allen in the last two minutes of a game last week. Which is bizarre cuz in the first 7 years I think I saw Boston run one alley-oop play for Tony and that’s it, in 7 years.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    LMAO!
    Ain’t about Boozer having gone to Duke.
    E, your boy’s not tough.
    At all.
    You done said it yourself.
    Don’t back out on it now!
    If Kurt Thomas so much as batted an eye at your boy, he would absolutely cower.
    Matter of fact, I have no idea how he went the whole season without Juwan whoppin’ that a*ss.

  • HAMMER

    Sh!t. I’d take Tyrus Thomas over Booz if he wouldve shown sum dam consistency. I’ll pass on Bosh tho

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Someone in the NFL once said that Joey Porter had “popcorn muscles”. I think the same applies to Booze.

  • Scott

    Agree about Allen. I was shocked that Memphis was actually running plays for Tony Allen where was that offense in Boston? Also, Allen has got to be the best defensive 2 guard in the league. I can’t think of anyone better. He locks people down.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Someone in the NBA once said, “Bosh is the Rupaul of NBA big men”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Who the hell would bet on Bosh if he had to throw hands with even a grade schooler? WTH are you smoking> All that being said…while Bosh ain’t worth his contract and isn’t the optimum option at PF I’D like…there’s no doubt his upside and ability is steps above Carlos and his twinkie-esque playoff history.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Zach Randolph has been beasting consistently for two years. Hell, his whole career, outside of New York, he beasted, although selfishly. Now he’s passing and trying to be a good teammate.
    He still doesn’t really defend, but neither does Boozer. And Zach can score on anyone in the league. Anyone.
    Bosh is underrated. When dude does his thing, the Heat are crazy hard to handle. All he has to do is be aggressive. And gain some of that weight back from last year because he looks frail.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Sh*t I would take tony allen over any player in the league on a defensive possession. And the second guy I would take? Shane Battier. The Lakers have to be shi*tt*ng themselves. Manu and TP don’t want to see them either. Although I think Poppovich can win a SA v Mem series with Jedi Mind Tricks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Rupual will be playing playoff basketball longer than the once and never again relevant Mr. O’Neal.

  • ThaWindy

    Those late Cavs teams were all LBJ all the time and didnt depend on their D to win games. I think SVG will take that appoarch if they face the Bulls. Let Rose go wild and keep try to keep Booz, Deng and the rest of team in check. Think Bulls take becuz they are a D first offense second team .

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I really don’t understand how the entire basketball world basically decided Bosh was a total loser and began to hate him.
    It happened so quickly it’s kind of scary.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    No, sh*t, E.
    Might that have something to do with the fact RuPaul is 12 years younger than “the once and never again relevant Mr. O’Neal”?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    and by Lakers I mean everyone but Kobe. And by sh*tt*ng themselves I mean, they are terrified Kobe realizes what he’s up against, he will relish in beating those guys by himself. Phil Jackson is trying to meditate his way into playing New Orleans.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    And “twinkie-esque playoff history” > nearly nonexistant playoff history

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    ThaWindy, those Cleveland teams were the best defensive teams in the league. Well one year they finished 2nd to Boston in defensive efficiency and every other defensive category, and one year they came out as better. So actually your wrong, that team won with defense….and LeBron James.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    And I said I’d take Bosh over Boozer as my 4 in the playoffs.
    I just said I’d take Boozer’s toughness over Bosh’s, cause that too is nonexistant.
    So which part of that has you heated this morning, E?

  • Scott

    Speaking of New Orleans what the hell is up with Chris Paul? One game (Houston) he looks like 07-08 Paul. Other games he looks like he is 35 years old out on the court.

  • ThaWindy

    The one thing that gets with Booz is his Defensive mind farts! I’d take Zach.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Uh-oh…Scott said “what the hell is up with Chris Paul?”
    Enter the AllBall!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, if the Grizzlies still had Rudy Gay they’d be everybody’s sleeper favorite.

  • Scott

    If Portland and Dallas meet in round one would it be considered an upset if Dallas wins at this point? They match up very very well with Dallas.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @Eboy – And I just realized you may have meant he’ll be playing playoff basketball longer THIS year.
    My bad.
    You shouldn’t make predictions like that though, Zoom doesn’t like that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    But If they still had Rudy Gay they likely wouldn’t have Shane Battier. which, in a playoff series, (the first for a lot of grizzlies) might prove to be a priceless commodity.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m only heated because it’s 90 degrees here today….otherwise, I think you’ve misread my comments for nothing more than ball busting, Enig. You stay strong with Popcorn Muscles and I’ll give golf claps to Posh whenever he plays like a male. Straight?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I can’t front…..”Popcorn Muscles” is hilarious!
    You know it’s all good, E.

  • ThaWindy

    I thought we were talking about in the playoffs vs. the Magic. The Cavs defense doesnt stick out to me when I think about that team. D was not their identity. Like when someone say Boston you think D. Then the offense was LBJ save us. I think D when I think of the Bulls. The offense will take care of itself. Bulls can fall into that DRose save us shi* too and I hope the dont.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ThaWindy
    Really son?
    The Cavs entire identity was built on being a top notch defensive team, kind of like the Spurs teams Mike Brown wanted to emulate.
    The reason they lost to the Magic, the main reason, is because they couldn’t defend the Magic at all, and without getting stops, there was no way they could compete offensively.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    from my perspective the Bulls have been 95% reliant on Rose for their offense all year. That’s the only reason I have him as MVP. And that’s the main reason I don’t have them coming out of the east. So whatever identity you associate with them is cool, but he accounts for the majority of their offense regardless of how great their defense is, just like because LeBron was cleveland’s offense a lot of people didn’t notice that they actually relied on defense to win games. Which is what Mike Brown was great at coaching, he doesn’t get enough credit for it. (simply because as good as he was as a defensive coach, he was bad on the other end)

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Another reason why I think Orlando is so screwed in the long run, they gave up their only non-defendable lineup by letting Turkoglu go for Vince Carter (essentially) and then by getting rid of Rashard when they got Turkoglu back. They are more easily scouted, and much easier to defend, they can’t use the mismatches that they used to. Luckily enough for them though, the team they will see in round two (chicago) has a 4 who doesn’t defend, especially out to the 3pt line.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I hate when nbk is right about my team’s shortcomings.
    Though 95% sounds awfully high.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    95% is ridiculous……94% is seemingly more manageable!

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    i think it is really high. When he’s in the game I saw its like 84%? anyone know a place I can double check that? But its comes out to like 65% of their total offense either starts or ends with Rose.

  • Scott

    Chicago has to rely on Rose all the time cause who else on that team is going to create a shot for themselves or others? Nobody. Top ten in scoring and assits.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    advanced stats say rose is about 42% responsible for bulls offensive output

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    For real though, I think nbk went way out of his mind…..I think the percentage is probably like 65%…..which is high and will probably drop some once defenses start plotting for an entire series to cut his drives down and throw doubles at him way beyond the free-throw line extended. I think teams are going to be more than willing to let Rose beat them in a 7 game series from the perimeter and be happy taking chances of him wearing himself out driving several times a game into a more ferocious minded defensive scheme most team will employ. Outside of Derrick, who’s going to carry the weight of the offense if they can limit his production? No one’s goign to stop him or shut him down (too talented) but I watched a guy like D-Wade drag squads into the playoffs the last two seasons with a lot less talent than the bulls have and even still, with all Wade’s greatness and ability, he couldn’t will his squad to more than a few wins in an opening round series. The Bulls should win their first series handily. After that, it’s all going to depend on how much he can carry the load. That’s just my take.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I know I saw a stat that said something like 43% of their field goals are either from a Rose FG or assist.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    traditionally when you rely on one guy for points and assists it doesn’t bode well in the playoffs. Actually, has anyone ever led their respective team in both assists and points and won a title?

  • HAMMER

    Deng has that capabality of creating his own shot. But it is tru we rely on Rose for the heavy work just a bit too much for my liking

  • Scott

    Bird led the team in scoring and assists in 86 when Boston won the title. I’m sure Jordan has done it numerous times. Kobe, Magic, maybe Isiah have done it.

  • Mr. Chill

    Another week of comments, another week of misunderstanding. The chill factor for the week is going to be once again, BULLS VS SPURS in the NBA Finals. No and’s, if’s, or but’s about it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I also expect Korver’s minutes to raise too since he’ll open the floor more as teams collapse on Rose. That should be a given.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Rose’s usage is actually 32.4 – those are free throws, assists, field goal attempts, turnovers. That doesn’t account for “hockey-assists” – “triple-Hockey-Assists” or “swinging the ball around the perimeter thanks to the penetration of one guy” which Chicago does extremely well. So their ya go, Rose gets used about 32% of chicago’s total offensive possessions from a purely statistical standpoint. The rate is much higher though considering what has been mentioned. my bad on the exaggeration, ya’ll understood what I meant though

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Unless Scott didn’t know….all those guys he listed played with MULTIPLE HOF players on the same squad beside them. I think if you’re using them as an example, D-Rose is going to be sh*t out of luck.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The 43 percent number doesn’t really give the true picture because initiating the offense, get the ball moving around the perimeter is just as important as scoring or assisting. Rose’s actions, and the attention they draw, give other players the space they need to get their shots. It’s like that for all great players, and it’s why somebody like Shaq, who was impossible to stop for 100 percent of the league, and difficult to slow for 90 percent of the league, had such an impact on his entire team’s performance.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    @Scott – MJ never did it. Kobe has for LA in the last 3 years (that team is/was so well rounded) – Your right about Larry Bird. Isiah did it once. Other then that I got noone

  • Scott

    Wait Boozer isn’t a first ballot hall of famer or Noah?

  • http://bulls.com airs

    teams come in knowing that objective number one is: stop derrick rose. and they fail time and time again. the rare times they succeed, the bulls will lose if deng or boozer is underperforming. like i noted before, people have said derrick isn’t the only part of the team and that their coach and defense deserve more credit, so give it to them now. they have a cast around their star player that i believe will take em deep in the playoffs.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    -and a star player that’ll perform his best when needed the most.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    nbk, MJ actually did do it in the first title.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    and as matic said, those examples aren’t really the same, as those guys played on extremely talented teams. Kobe led LA in assists solely because they don’t have a playmaker/distributor. Larry Bird got assits because all of his teammates were all star caliber players for the most part, Isiah barely led the team in scoring, as it was different from night to night. Rose is the leader in points and assists just about every game for Chicago, that can’t be a good sign.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    no Scottie led that team in assists matic

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    That’s if we’re talking in the playoffs.
    Pippen averaged more assists in the regular season.
    But Jordan averaged over 8 a game in the playoffs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Oh i was solely looking at the regular season, because in my mind that was an unspoken stipulation of my own made up statistic that proved almost nothing. I am just trying to find a way to show that relying so heavily on one person is not a good thing when trying to win a championship lol

  • Scott

    Rose’s role is kinda the same as Iverson’s when he took Philly to the 01 finals. In the way that they both had to do everything on offense and had high usage rates.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I think some of y’all are sleeping on some of the Bulls offensively.
    Boozer and Deng can put up buckets too.
    Watson’s had huge games before. As had Gibson.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    “Unless Scott didn’t know”…LOL, Eboy, was that a Eurotrip reference on the low?
    Scottie doesn’t know! Scottie doesn’t know!

  • ThaWindy

    @Allenup:
    Well I just don’t think D when I think of that Cavs teams in the playoffs vs the Magic. I felt the reason they lost to Orlando was becuz they didnt defend the 3 pt shot very well and LBJ had did everything on offense. So SVG let LBJ go wild and shut down the Cavs other players. If they face the Bulls in the playoffs I thnk he will take the same appoarch. Let Rose go wild, shut down the others. Look at LBJ shot per game for that series and the amount of pts he scored. When that happens that usually destroys offensive chemsity. Check the final score for each game. The totals increased. Orlando didnt stop making 3s and the Cavs confidence on D paid for it. That’s what I saw. Kinda like u said.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    nah, they’re definitely snoozin.
    ESPECIALLY on deng. but thats the story of his career.
    and john lucas is back y’all, rejoice!

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Oops meant to give credit to Eboy in that 3:50 comment.

  • T-Money

    I think a lot of people crystallized their views on Chris Bosh in Miami after the first 15 games when he was posting up 14 and 6 on 45% shooting. Dude is at 19 and 8 on 50% shooting and has been getting 10 rebounds a game since Feb. What more do you want from a THIRD option? He played like a– at the beginning of the year but he has settled in his role.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Boozer and Deng can put up buckets, but can they win a meaningful series? Or push the team over the top of one? I think Deng can in a way, but more for his individual defensive prowess. Boozer can, but you have to play a PF he can dominate physically. He struggles against most anyone taller then him in a series. And that’s gonna happen in round 2,3,4.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Personally, my views on Bosh were solidified when he took a shot at Omer Asik for “going for his legs” on that loose ball.
    And all the other softer than that twinkie filling stuff he’s done/said this season.

  • Scott

    Nicely played Enigmatic.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i completely believe deng will come thru, and forgive me again for bringin up ’07 but they did beat a 7 seed with Lu as their leader, jus sayin!
    but i will always, always have my doubts when it comes to boozer. no matter how loud he yells.

  • ThaWindy

    Bulls offensive is geared toward getting Deng easy shots. He runs a lot of cuts. The problem with Booz is he play better D if he’s scoring. So thats a big problem.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i meant a 2 seed*

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    nbk, Deng averaged 26.2 ppg, 9.0 rpg and 3.0 apg in that playoff series in ’07 when the Bulls swept the then-defending-champion Heat.
    He averaged 22, 8.7 and 2.4 for the playoffs and everyone was ready to crown Deng the next new Bulls superstar.
    Injuries and the addition of Rose kind of made that talk go away, but dude can still ball. Believe that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ThaWindy
    It had nothing to do with defending the three ball. It had everthing to do with:
    1. Not having a viable option for handling Howard in that paint or on the glass. Neither Z nor Varejo could deal with his bulk.
    2. Being unable to defend the pick and roll with Howard and Turks, or with a small and Rashard Lewis.
    3. LeBron being able to only shutdown either Shard or Turk, and the Cavs lacking the size to have anybody else match up with those two guys.
    4. Rashard Lewis not yet getting exposed as a juicer. Lol.
    The Cavs were a defense first thing. That was the main argument people made when downplaying what LeBron did. They noted that he had a team full of great defensive players, which really wasn’t accurate, but since nobody really wanted to give Mike Brown credit for anything, that’s what they said.
    Enigmatic
    There are other Bulls who can score. But, the playoffs are a different animal, and the Bulls will have a crazy load on Rose and Boozer.
    Here is how I see it. Derrick Rose is great. Deron Williams was great. Carlos Boozer is Carlos Boozer.
    The question is whether Deng, Noah, Gibson, Brewer and Korver will be better than Okur, AK47, Brewer, Korver and Millsap.
    Right now, the Bulls are Utah East with better defense.
    Is that enough?

  • ThaWindy

    If the Bulls play the Magic Deng might have to avg that again.

  • T-Money

    Difference in talent level gets magnified in the playoffs when you don’t have to play back-to-backs and don’t fly as often. You can basically play your starts for 45 minutes or so every game and the value of a great bench is diminished. Talent almost always prevails in basketball. That’s what did Cleveland in: they overvalued chemistry and underestimated raw talent (e.g. Stoudemire trade). Chemistry and intensity will help you beat Milwaukee on a back-to-back after catching a red eye flight but it won’t do you any good vs the Lakers front line. And that’s why I’m sticking to a Miami-LA finals. (although OKC’s talent level is getting dangerously close)

  • http://bulls.com airs

    ^word!

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i meant to enigmatic haha, okay peace y’all!

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, you’re wrong on the LBird part. Bird racked up assists because dude possessed magic-like court vision coupled with his scoring ability and rebounding prowess. Bird’s name should never be included with shoot-first players.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Allen, those Jazz teams didn’t have a third option that were the caliber of Loul Deng.

  • T-Money

    Enig at 4:14. Okay but that means that Bosh is a softie not that he’s not excellent at basketball. I thought Pau put an end to the myth that softies can’t win? I mean people act like points and rebounds mean more if you’re mean mugging. Chris Bosh gave you a soft 24 and 11 last year, K-Mart gave you an extra hard 13 and 7. You go K-Mart?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Deng might have a great offensive series, against Indiana. Is he gonna go off for 20 and 8 against the Heat or Celtics? Every bulls fan wishes. I wouldn’t bet on it. Honestly in those 2 series Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, and Carlos Boozer might just rotate who helps Rose. And that might actually be the best way to go (even though it wouldn’t be on purpose) because they would become impossible to scout for after Rose. – Speaking of scouting for Rose, how do you approach that guy? you can’t force him left, you can’t double team at any point, even off of picks. His left isn’t really weak. He can shoot. He’s almost to the point where you just accept that he’s gonna try and kill you, just gotta hope you can contain everyone else long enough to survive through life support. Anybody else got a way they would go about stopping or containing derrick rose?

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    JT – did I say Bird was a shoot first player? I said he led the team in assists because everyone could score. If he had a traditional PG for the time (the 80′s when PG’s were still overwhelmingly distributors)then he likely would have been used mainly as a scorer / decoy. I am aware how good of a passer he is, second or third best passer of all time taller then 6’8. First or Seconds greatest non-pg passer ever, behind or right infront of LeBron…depending on your personal preference

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    T-Money – LOL I ain’t ever said Bosh sucks basketball-wise.
    Dude straight up killed Boozer last couple of times they played.
    I just don’t like his softness, his constant whining on and off the court, and his putting on a tough guy front whenever the Heat are playing well but crying when they’re not.
    That’s why I don’t like dude.
    But can he ball? No doubt.

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Didn’t Jerry West also lead his team in points and assists when the Lakers won the title? Didn’t Rick Barry do the same? Bird and Jordan? Didn’t Kobe Bryant do it?
    It’s not that unusual.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    nbk, I think the Warrios did a wonderful job on Rose when they played in Oakland.
    They constantly trapped him before he even made it to the halfcourt line.
    It bothered the hell out of Rose.
    He had 9 turnovers that game.
    It looked like something a college team would do, but it was effective on Rose that night.

  • JTaylor21

    Damn, a jukai sighting! It’s rarer than hen’s teeth.

  • ThaWindy

    @allenp:
    ???WTF???? How the hell can you tell ME why I thought they lost. I felt out of everything their inability to defend the 3 pt line hurt them the most. The Cavs lost close games. If the take away Orlandos 3pt shot they might have won those games. Why can’t you see that as a reason why they lost? Bulls ran into the same problem with Anderson yesterday. Their bigs running to the basket instead of the 3 pt line to guard Anderson. Or having to leave the basket to guard Anderson. First time I had a person tell me my opinion was wrong. LOL!

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Matic – a team does that in the postseason won’t Thibs just put in CJ Watson and score 4 on 3 every possession? that’s surely what I would do if a team started trapping all the way out to half court. Its not like Bogans really does anything in that kind of situation, and 4 on 3 your offense will always have an advantage, even if you have one undersized defender. I don’t think pressing, or trapping are viable playoff options in the NBA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    If it were me, I would play an extended 1-3-1 zone. It would have to be a very flexible zone, but I would use it and operate under 2 main rules, a big must always guard the basket and inside the 3pt line Rose must always be forced sideline, never middle. That’s the only way I would guard Rose other then hoping my best defender can slow him down one on one and play within the system.

  • ThaWindy

    Man or Die nbk. LOL

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, those guys did it and won a chip but you have to look at their supporting cast.
    West had Wilt and Goodrich
    MJ had Pip and Grant
    Kobe had Pau and LO
    RBarry is the only one that you can say won a chip without a great second banana.
    Rose has Deng and Boozer
    Bron had Mo and Varejao
    You see where I’m going with this; it’s damn near impossible to win a chip with a player leading the team in PPG and APG without a great supporting cast.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • HAMMER

    Pip almost did it n ’94. Or should I say, should have done it. Curse u Hue Hollins!

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Maybe Jeff Foster will send some of his goons to take care of Rose before the Chi/Indy series.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Lots of storylines and a lot of competition to be had. On the brink of 40 games in 40 nights. I hate when people make “bold” predictions. Do they just add “bold” so that when they are wrong it doesn’t matter but if they are right, they look like a genius? In reality, that is the opposite of bold.

  • T-Money

    The issue with most analysts is not that he’s leading the team in scoring and assists. It’s that he’s their point guard and primary option. That hasn’t been a successful combination historically. You can say Zeke but Zeke was not looking for his like Rose is. The thing when your pg calls his own number is that nobody else touches the ball.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LOL! @ Enigmatic. Am I that predictable?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Scott; I’ll say this about CP, he has had a lot worse games than last night, where his statistics have looked good.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    One stat I thought was crazy was how Rose is gonna be only the third player since the NBA-ABA merger to have 2,000 points and 400 assists in a season. The other two were MJ and LeBron.
    Damn, I honestly woulda thought that had been done more often.
    @AllBall – yeah, pretty much.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    *600 assists, not 400.
    Pressed the wrong key.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I think the people saying kobe wasn’t THAT clutch at the beginning of the post just started watching basketball yesterday….but whatever. I’m gonna cosign allenp and eboy…if your gonna lead your team in points and assists you better have an awesome supporting cast…otherwise you’re really not going anywhere. and the bulls can’t take the magic, not in the playoffs..i think derrick rose might be a little afraid to drive against dwight howard(which is fair..it’s dwight howard after all) if they can get him to shoot 3′s or even long 2′s they have a chance..they just have to keep him out of a lane so his scoring and passing ability is decreased…i think people forget that rose doesn’t have the best court vision of say jason kidd or steve nash..if they can keep him out of the lane they have a chance. if they can’t…well..it’ll be a short series for them. somebody said the magic could do something similar to what they did against lebron in 09. and i agree…but i also think it would be alot easier if they had a doped up rashard lewis. still. magic in 7

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I say Bulls in 6.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    T-money I feel you but can you explain that a little better? also rose calls his own # bc he’s the first best option I think

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    David Stern ordered the Perkins trade so that the Heat would get to the finals.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    hey enigmatic…didnt westbrook do something like that? I forget.

  • J Dilla

    Yes, Rose is the Bulls offense but it not similar to what the Cavs(stand n watch) did with Lebron. The Bulls offense has alot of off the balls actions, down screens, and some misdirection plays. Rose does a exactly job moving without ball. U can key in on Rose but other players will be getting wide open shots…

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Not unless Westbrook can score 257 more points before the season ends…

  • Scott

    Westbrook never scored 2000 points in a season.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    i didn’t say he did the SAME thing…i said he did something similar. i forget what though. also j.dilla..I see what your saying…but my point about rose being to much of a focus for their offense remains.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Ronnie Brewer for All-Defensive First Team!
    According to some stat geek article, he’s got the fifth-highest Defensive EV (whatever the hell that means).
    This guy that wrote the article sounds like, all smart and stuff, therefore, because he said they’ve got the highest Defensive EV-thingy, my All-Defensive First Team looks like this-
    C – Marcin Gortat
    F – Gerald Wallace
    F – Andre Igoudala
    G – Ronnie Brewer
    G – Brandon Jennings

    Brilliant! And Derrick Rose has an ABYSMAL 0.6 Defensive EV.
    How dare they think he’s MVP-worthy!
    OK, I’m done.
    Sorry y’all, just these articles written by these stats people are getting sillier and sillier…SMH

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I mean, SERIOUSLY, Brandon Jennings??

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Wake me up on saturday

  • J Dilla

    @datkid I have the same worries, but I think what is lost is the job that Thibs and other coaches did to the offense. This team is very well coach, It’s really fun to watch the player n ball movement. And the Bulls do have two of the best passing big men in the league.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Sorry I missed this today.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Lmao matic that guy might get banned from the Internet all together for posting that. – although because of the bucks system and a collection of good/elite defenders, jenning measures out as better on that end then on offense. But thats still ridiculous. So is Gortat and any guard not named Tony Allen. Haha

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    It’s this dude who has a blog called BackPicks.com
    He’s got Marcin Gortat, Joakim Noah, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Bynum and DeAndre Jordan all rated higher defensively than Dwight Howard at the center position, according to this Defensive EV thing.
    Ronnie Brewer gets the nod over such defensive stalwarts as Mike Miller and Rudy Fernandez.
    Tony Allen was nowhere to be found.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Interesting little tidbit courtesy of Kurt Kragthorpe of the Salt Lake Tribune:

    In 2010-11, the Bulls’ big push began at EnergySolutions Arena. Chicago stood 34-16 and the Jazz were 31-22 as of Feb. 9, when Williams and the Jazz fell apart on critical possessions in a 91-86 defeat.

    That’s the night when whatever happened in Jerry Sloan’s office ultimately resulted in Sloan’s departure, followed two weeks later by the trade of Williams. Who knows how history would have changed if the Jazz had won that game?

    As it is, the loss launched the Jazz’s 6-21 skid (entering Monday’s game at New Orleans), while the Bulls have gone 26-4.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    The bulls stole all of the jazz and Jerry sloan’s juju. Plus kept that which they already had. – that guys seriously is undermining everything advanced stats try and accomplish by even mentioning Rudy Fernandez

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I have a feeling the All-Defensive team will look something like this:
    G – Derrick Rose
    G – Dwyane Wade
    F – LeBron James
    F – Kevin Garnett
    C – Dwight Howard

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Even though that’s bull.
    My choice would be something like this:
    G – Tony Allen
    G – George Hill
    F – Kevin Garnett
    F – Chuck Hayes (or center on the second team)
    C – Dwight Howard
    It’s pretty dumb that Shane Battier has never won a Defensive Player of the Year Award, though.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I would go – Tony Allen – Andre Iguodala – Kevin Garnett – *Andrew Bogut (if I could change the rules a tid) (or Grant Hill) – and Dwight on the first team.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Rose won’t go All-Defense, unless President Obama steps in on his behalf

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    There are 3 centers I think deserve first team more then everyone but Dwight Howard and Tony Allen. Andrew Bogut, Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I don’t know if Noah played enough this season though.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Fine give it to him and Kurt Thomas respectively.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Ya’ll missed me? Nothing better than friendly debates about basketball supremacy. Are you entertained? Basketball is back finally. Rep your city. Knicks: garbage. Mavs: Hot garbage. Spurs: Old garbage. Bulls: Garbage. Celtics: garbage. Heat: garbage. Magic: Champs. Lakers: Overrated garbage.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Yeah stats mean nothing. Who cares is he leads the league in PTS, ASSTS, REBS, AND TO’S. And PER means nothing either.

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