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Monday, May 9th, 2011 at 8:40 am  |  312 responses

Post Up: Death of a Dynasty

The Lakers’ season ends with a sweep; Hawks even series with Bulls.

Dallas 122, L.A. Lakers 86

When dynasties fall, it isn’t pretty. Frankly speaking, they “die nasty.”

With their backs against the wall facing a four-game sweep, the Los Angeles Lakers were expected to come out and fight and keep perhaps the greatest coach in professional sports history from going out in an embarrassing manner.

But instead of fighting to stay alive, L.A. resorted to “bush league” tactics meant to hurt the other team’s players. The Lakers not only lost Game 4 by the ridiculous margin of 122-86, they lost in the most classless way possible. Phil Jackson deserved better.

“The Lakers embarrassed the organization by getting blown out by the Dallas Mavericks,” said Magic Johnson. “Classless acts on physical and hard fouls by Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum, that should never happen.”

Sure, the Mavericks were embarrassing the Lakers with their barrage of three-point shots—Jason Terry tied the postseason record connecting on 9-10 from behind the arc—and unrelenting bench play, but there was no reason for Lamar Odom to cheap shot Dirk Nowitzki or Andrew Bynum to elbow chop JJ Barea in mid-air to the ground.

“I wasn’t happy with the way our players exited the game on Lamar and Andrew’s part, it was unnecessary, but I know they were frustrated and Barea was one of the guys that really frustrated us today,” said Lakers coach Phil Jackson.

Both Odom and Bynum were ejected and will certainly face retribution by the league in the form of fines and suspensions, but the real damage was to Jackson’s legacy and the Lakers organization. Simply put, champions win with class and they lose with class.

“You don’t want to see that happen,” said Kobe Bryant. “You definitely don’t want to see that happen. You don’t want any of their players getting hurt. They played better than we did, so, to make the game ugly like that where players could potentially get hurt, you don’t want to see that happen ever. It’s not something that you want to see happen in the game of basketball, ever.”

Of course, it was par for the course for a team facing a sweep in its quest for a three-peat, to well up with frustration in a must-win game that got out of hand early in the first half when Dallas raced off to a 63-39 advantage at the half.

The Mavs’ spacing on the floor was too much for L.A. to handle.  On each of Terry’s and Peja Stojakovic’s combined 15-16 from deep, there wasn’t a player in purple in gold closing out on the shooter.  Not one hand in either face.  They were all wide-open looks. Let’s face it: you don’t leave “lights-out” shooters like Jet and Stojakovic open. You just don’t.

But the Lakers did. And they were roasted like chicken for it. Terry led all scorers with 32 points on 11-14 shooting, while Stojakovic added 22 points on a perfect 6-6 from three-point land and Barea chipped in 21 points in his usual “Mighty Mouse” fashion.

All told, Dallas’ 86 points off the bench matched the Lakers’ total points for the entire game. There’s no way you can win a game in the NBA when that happens.

Perhaps the best imagery to sum up this game, and perhaps the Lakers’ entire second round in the postseason is this: Ron Artest, streaking down the court for a fast break layup that could have swung the momentum in L.A.’s favor and gotten them to within 17, was denied by a humbling combination of gravity and the rim.

It was a bloodbath from that point on. The Mavs went on yet another run and didn’t just sweep the Lakers, they buried them.

Now as Dallas waits for the winner of the OKC/Grizzlies series to begin the Western Conference Finals, L.A. must enter a summer filled with questions, unknowns and “what went wrongs?” Rumors continue to build steam about Bryant’s wife, Vanessa, causing a rift between Bryant and Gasol, and those rumors may be substantiated in the coming days.

“I have to learn from this,” Pau Gasol said in the L.A. Times. “I have to learn that when something happens off the court, you have to keep it off the court.”

But what we do know as Phil Jackson rides off in the sunset to Montana, presumably not smoking peyote, is that the Lakers must retool, refocus and somehow get younger and faster.

Take a bow, Dallas, you showed us all how to play like a team…with class.

“We’re here and we’re locked in,” said Terry. “Guys are buying in. But it’s more to come.” —Maurice Bobb (@ReeseReport)

Atlanta 100, Chicago 88

Give credit to the Atlanta Hawks. In a game that was back-and-forth and was close all night, the Hawks closed the Bulls out with a very impressive 16-4 run to pull the series even at two games apiece. It was the type of performance that shows just how dangerous Atlanta can be when they’re focused and locked in.

Josh Smith followed up a great Game 3 with an even more impressive Game 4 in which he tallied 23 points, 16 rebounds and 8 assists, his first such stat line in his career. He seemed determined to do whatever it took to make sure his team didn’t fall even further behind in the series and his teammates were happy to meet his level of intensity.

After being virtually invisible in the the fist three games, Al Horford decided to finally show up. Even though his rebound total was much lower than it has been, Big Al dropped 20 points in the game which was much higher than his scoring has been. Atlanta also got a solid, yet quiet contribution from Joe Johnson with 24 points and Jeff Teague didn’t have the same kind of stellar game that he’s had in the first three games, but all of his scores seemed to come at the right time and they made a huge impact in the game.

For Chicago, Derrick Rose fell beck into mere mortal status after an otherworldly Game 3 performance where he dropped a Playoff career-high, 44 points. Credit the defense of the Hawks, especially at the end of the game for slowing Rose down as he appeared to be gearing up for the kind of late-game takeover that we all know he’s capable of. His 34 points on 32 shots, however, caused the “efficiency snobs” and the “Derrick Rose is selfish” crew to come out of the woodwork last night, but for those who have been watching this team all season, they know that there’s no need to panic after a game like this, and they know that nobody can be harder on DRose after a bad game than he is on himself.

On a more positive note, Bulls fans have to thrilled at what appears to be the reemergence of Carlos Boozer. He’s been bothered by turf toe of late, but even prior to that injury he hadn’t played well in the Playoffs at all thus far. His 18 points and his energy on the offensive end of the ball was a welcome sight for fans who have become increasingly tired and frustrated with his level of play.

Atlanta won Game 4 by outplaying Chicago when it mattered most, the last five minutes of the game. There is a contingent of fans who may like to pass the blame off on the referees for blown calls and swallowed whistles (specifically Bennett Salvatore), but the refs didn’t lose the game for the Bulls, the Hawks just beat them. The series shifts back to the United Center on Tuesday night and Chicago will look to try and put some more distance between themselves and the Atlanta. —Bryan Crawford  (@_bryancrawford)

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  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Worst last night in Canada EVER lol! Well I look forward to the Lakers new team next year, and even a new coach. Not much you can do with a team when the reserves come in and shoot 80 percent from the field and over 90 percent from 3 point range. Great series by the mavs. I am glad some of the Lakers stayed classy unlike Bynum and Odom. I also have a good feeling fish will not be starting pg next year.

  • http://slamonline.com slimshady

    got 1st..i gotta say it was fun bieng a laker fan all these years. but i aint jumping the miami bandwagon

  • Papou

    Bynum is a f*ckin tard. Glad to see the Lakers go out like that. Buh-bye! (Phil is cool)

  • Riggs

    attitude reflects leadership KOBE.

  • RobbieJay

    1:did anyone notice last night on TNT the sound was fading in and out during the Hawks game? maybe it was just me. 2:i really think l.a needs to get rid of bynum or gasol, one of the two. keep odom, and does anyone see iguadola (sorry if i spelled it wrong) going to l.a? but then again him and shannon brown are the same kind of player. eh, w.e. im just happy l.a wont be in the finals.

  • MrSuper

    Ahem, wasn’t Artest the one who said Sir Charles is overated? I don’t remember him blowing a fast brak…

    And well done to the hawks. Hard work always pays off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    I didn’t know about the Gasol-Bryant beef, I wonder what happened? Please Mitch, send Barnes and Artest to another team… let them go!

  • Riggs

    the rumor is kobe’s wife told gasol’s girl to dump him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Can you guys smell it? The stench of sh*t washing down the drainpipe of overratedness and classlessness, colored purple and yellow. Goodbye, garbage, see you next season.

  • http://Thundercats.com ThunderCats

    Can someone tell me what happened to that switch the Lakers had??? I thought they could flip it “on” once the real season started?

  • Ken

    LOL @ slimshady. Nice “1st.”

  • Louis

    Major loss of respect for odom and bynum in this game

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Let’s be honest, if the lakers went to the finals this year that would make it four in a row lol. Lakers are my team and Kobe is my dude, but the fact that they made 3 finals, I am quite happy with. That switch that connected to the light bulb stayed on and work for a solid 4 years. It was a good run.

  • bull22

    the beginning of the end was planted by kobe when right before the playoffs began he called his team weird, (as reported by slam) the team simply quit on him and it was apparent that they were probably tired of him……. hahahhahahahahahahhahha LAKERS SUCK! see ya next year suckers!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe still thinks L.A can win the series. Call him crazy…
    Josh Smith!! Joe Johnson was also great, with 24 on 9-14. Was The Hawks play last night a turning point in this series or an anomaly?
    The J.E.T was gunnin last night. Great to see after he was one of the guys trying to shed the soft label. He gave the Lakers no chance to win last nights game. Dirkus 7-11 for 17 also had some timely buckets.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Gerald Wallace, Michael Beasley, and now JJ Barea have all been given similar cheap shots by Andrew Bynum. That’s 3 strikes. Ship his arse out.

  • Fat Lever

    I fully expected Kobe to put up like 40 shots last night, but I think the game go out of hand so fast that he resigned to his fate.

  • http://Thundercats.com ThunderCats

    So now its ok if they lost this season since they won in previous seasons? Lakers sucked. Just say it.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    1st, the Hawks can definitely win this series. Their problem is consistency. I hope they keep up their defense on Rose. The rest of the Bulls keep proving how unreliable they are offensively. And Smith shocked the hell out of me last night…The Lakers went out like chumps. Odom’s fould wasn’t as bad as that punk a** Bynum. Going after the smallest guy on the court in a blow out loss will be a permanent memory for most ppl who watched that game. Sucks for Phil. As much as I can’t stand him, I can at least aknowledge that he is far too good a coach for his team to give him such a sucky send off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    2 of the last 4 Laker eliminations came at 39 point and 36 point losses. Yes, they won two titles…but they were also embarrassed and outclassed on their way out too.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    i feel bad for Phil and I feel bad for Kobe (can’t believe I just said that). they looked like the only two guys who gave a sh– yesterday. terrible way for the champs to go out, and i’m a celtics fan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    The Lakers sucked, but that wasn’t why they lost. They lost because they Mavs out played them. Mavs, as much as I hate Mark Cuban, played really well. It was impressive!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    1 of those losses came in the Finals to the only other team that has won a title the last 3 years. See what I did there?

  • Sparker

    eboy, i was looking forward to your reaction and you did not disappoint…. strange game. dallas seemed to have the ball all the time, and to be moving at dirk speed no matter who had the ball. the lakers looked drugged and just couldn’t change the tempo.

  • dsleepy

    ANY of the remaining 7 teams has a legit shot at the title this year. insane. “Ladies and Gentlemen, your World Champion Memphis Grizzlies” ?!

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Yup, the Lakers played like b!tches last night….Props to the Mavs, if they can keep playing like that, they can not be stopped.In four years: Two championships,Three finals apperances,One horrible sweep, One crushing finals loss by a rival….I’d say that 90 percent of the teams/ players/coaches/owners/etc. would not mind a four year stretch like that.. Tough way to end a run but its like that sometimes. Keep your heads up fellow Laker fans.
    PS: Bynum may one of the top 5 dirtiest players in the NBA (talented kid ,but he needs to chill out with that ish.)

  • Feez22

    i won’t comment more on the lakers than to say that series was done when they were down 3 (wow stating the obvious im such a genius rofl). let me go to atlanta-chi for a second. Instead of criticising the bulls defense, rose’s shot count, deng’s imperfection or boozer’s best offensive game of the playoffs i will take aim at JOSH SMITH. Why does josh smith INTEND on shooting midrange shots? he hit 1 last night… that was the only midrange shot he made ALL SERIES. Out of 17 feet he was 0-17 heading into game 3. Its almost like the dude can get 4-5 blocks, 16+ rebounds but can OFFSET all of that by clanging 6-7 jumpers. its nuts. 8-22… Josh smith should have been 11-16 last night if he would have just ABANDONED that midrange shot. That brings me to jamal crawford… imo crawford has the WORST shot selection in the entire nba. if you double the guy @ the top of the paint its a 60% chance you will turn him over. his defense is paltry. Yet the hawks win last night. Why? bc a team largely known to not hustle decided they wanted to HUSTLE. If the hawks had hustled all season they would be the 4 seed and hell… they would be battling with the celtics for that 3 seed. They just have way too many wasted opportunities in terms of shot selection, non effort plays, lackluster perimeter d (at times…most times). They need to unload some of these forwards and get a workhorse center so they can put horford back into his natural position. & no zaza/collins aint the guys. However, winning 2 against the bulls w/o hinrich nonetheless is showing me maturity with these hawks. gotta love that. I guess that writeup was for some hawks fans that haven’t heard ppl criticise or praise their team. its been all about the bulls. jus wanna shed light on the other team in the series.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Eboy – Lebron has had 7 straight exits without a ship. Wade won a championship and then went on to pray and hope for a 40 win season. I am sure, as much as you hate anything purple and gold, they will be back to face another team in the East some years down the road. And more than likely, that team will not be the heat. But, even though i will be on a plane tonight and miss the Bos-Mia game, I will be praying Miami loses. Just for you lol.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Win two titles, lose one Finals series (via a game 6 blowout), get sweeped in the WC Semis (via a blowout). Not a bad four year stretch. This series they were totally out played, that does not mean that their titles are under mined some how.

  • J-MAC

    Lakers need to revamp the roster. Kobe LO Bynum and Shannon should be the only returning players. Thers is obviously something going on with Pau that may not be able to be fixed in LA. Getting a solid PG and SF should be the top priority for the Lakers in the off season. Still a great run tho…ANY franchise would be happy to accomplish half of what the Lakers did.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Keep praying James.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LOL! But Bron has not been blown out by 30 the last two times he got eliminated. Guess just losing every year is better than winning 2/4 seasons, but getting blown out in the losing seasons. Right E?

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    Criticizing 34 shots resulting in only 32 points isn’t being an efficiency snob. That’s a valid concern. Love DRose though. Nothing selfish about him. He does what the team needs, but he isn’t always efficient about it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Eboy. I won’t know until the 11th what happened so it will be a solid two days of prayer!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And before I forget…to the homie Darksaber…the ONE guy that has stood with Dirk and the Mavs on this site from the beginnings of commenting here….nothing like moving past the dragon that needed to be slayed….in the most convincing of ways, showing the lack of ability of one of the world’s most overrated superstars in the clutch, with his teams back against the wall and ending the reign of Phil Jax, the coach with a lock on titles for a decade and a half. While I only hope for the worst for Mark Cuban, I can only wish this particular Mavs team all the luck going forward….unless they wind up with a series in June with a team from the South of Florida.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Wow, they really died nasty. Great way to put it. I was just shocked watching the game, it felt really weird. Watching the fall of a champion always feels kind of messed up to me, unless it’s your guy or team that throws them off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    To anyone watching the game last night. Rose should have shot maybe 5 more times. There was a small stretch where, if Rose would have had the ball, they would had had a better possession-easily!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    AllBall….Lebron wasn’t a member of the Heat in those eliminations. He meant nothing more to me than a guy that put up tremendous stats. If he starts that tradition in Miami, he’ll get my full and undivided eradication here too.

  • Sparker

    by the way, when did jim carrey become the coach of the mavs?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Is there anybody that seriously thought the Mavs and Grizzlies might fight for the right to go the Finals? (still hoping the Thunder make it btw).

  • http://Thundercats.com ThunderCats

    Your right they didn’t lose because they sucked.
    LOL the Lakers lost because of KB’s wife! Who would’ve thought?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    DAL-MIA finals should be interesting. Have a good one eboy. See ya on the flip side. And if the heat win… see you next season lol.

  • marc

    I don’t get how Lakers are overrated. The Mavs just totally outplayed them. You shouldn’t let your emotions get in the way. They do have good players. And honestly the Mavs are on a mission right now. J-Mac I think they should get rid of Bynum for the way he acted. This isn’t the first time he did that.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Mavs happened to play their best ball of the series in an elimination game.
    It comes down to this being a make shot league. The Mavs got open and contested looks, and they knocked them down.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think Stern would prefer a Heat/Thunder Finals first…then a Dallas/Heat Finals second and last, a Bulls/Mavs series. The Heat will bring the highest ratings cause 98 percent of the basketball watching population want to see them lose, so the results are locked in if they are there. KD has been touted for a couple of seasons as the “Chosen One”….now that title is shifting to D-Rose. I don’t think Thunder/Bulls is sexy enough for it to happen….YET. but I do foresee that matchup happening sometime in the near future.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Rose really took the ball to the rim last night, I thought he played well, again he had 10 assists for the 3rd time in 4 games, but he didn’t settle for bad 3′s. I thought he got fouled alot getting to the rim but the whistle didn’t go his way. Should’ve won the game. BTW right now I just wanna kill skip bayless, this guy is so f*cking annoying!

  • J-MAC

    Get rid of Bynum for hmmm let me think….D12..ok Im with that!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Eboy, don’t you think the rematch from 2006 would be most favorable. It looks like the Mavs really hate the Heat. Would be fun.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    With his back against the wall, Kobe Bryant, the greatest closer in the game had yet another vintage performance singlehandily leading his team back from the brink of elimination… Ohh wait… Nevermind…

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    I’ll admit that Kobe is overrated in a sense, but that’s due for people thinking he is still the player he was four/five years ago…. He can’t defend and create a shot like he used to , but he is still great, dude is just old by basketball years…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Nah…it would be cool for ABC to pull out highlights from the 2006 series….and I’m sure it would be a great series…but for stories…I think the young Thunder would be the better focus. IMO.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    HA! HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (that is all)

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Rose did not play well last night. At some point people have to acknowledge that Rose is as much style as he is substance. His makes are so loud (as are his misses), that it is easy to think he is dominating the game. He dominated the ball last night, not the game.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    I think I speak for many when I say that we don’t hate the Lakers because they keep winning rings, or have blown out our favorite team, or pull off ridiculously one sided deals, or have reality tv stars as players. We hate LA because there are genuinely despicable people wearing the purple and gold.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I thought Bryant did good, numerous times during this series he could’ve gone: ‘F this, I’m shooting 50 times tonight’. He never did, he stayed with the gameplan to get the ball to Bynum, Pau, the Mavs were just playing better. Never thought the Lakers would lose against the Mavs with a healthy, well-playing Bynum.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    In all honesty, I’m afraid if the Finals turn out to be Heat-Thunder, that could very well mean we’re going to see that finals a couple of times more, thus leaving the Bulls stuck in the ECF. Right now, I’m thinking if the Bulls-Heat get to ECF, whoever comes out of it, is going to win it all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And let’s be honest, the Heat ain’t in control of sh*t. They HAVE to win tonight…otherwise, they’re backed into a corner…and there’s no easy victory in the ECF unless the Hawks can pull off the upset and I think the Heat have their number. I don’t get too far ahead of myself.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Before I forget, Dirk’s lookalike is Captain Sig Hansen from Deadliest Catch.
    http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv128/imaslaya1/230px-SigHansen2008.jpg

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I def think the Heat will win tonight, I mean, Rondo’s performance was great but wtf is he going to do with one arm hanging on the side. LBJ just had one of the worst playoff games I can remember, Wade wasn’t great, Bosh… yeah. I can hardly imagine LeBron getting another terrible game and KG having another Minnesota game.

  • JTaylor21

    Ummm, looks like the Black Mamba, the closer, the greatest player since MJ failed to step up in yet another elimination game. The supposed best player could only muster up 17 pts on 7-18 shooting vs the likes of a soon to be 40yr old JKidd and a guy with Abe Lincoln on his neck, pathetic.
    Forget being as good as MJ, I don’t even think Kobe’s better than JWest. Yeah, I said it, The logo is the 2nd greatest SG of all-time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    The Thunder are in a tough spot as well, if they lose again tonight. Sh*ts going to be tough, no alot of people are saying Russ needs to get his act together in the 4th, but Tony Allen had KD in his pocket, that was an incredible defensive performance. Harden was benched, so Russ is the only one who’s gonna get a good shot off. I’ve seen him make big shots all year long, he just needs to see some shots go in, that’s all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think the Thunder will even the series….although I love watching the Grizz barnstorm cats. I keep thinking they’ll run out of steam….but so far, they haven’t.

  • marc

    If the Mavs play this way for the rest of the playoffs they are going to be the 2011 NBA champions.

  • JTaylor21

    Different day, same sh*t!
    Different toilet, same sh*t!
    Looks like just another day on Slamonline with people refusing to call out the MVP for yet another chucking performance. The guy took 32 shots which was more than the rest of the Bulls’ starting lineup combined! There’s no way a PG should be taking that many shots and I don’t care if he had 4 brian scalabrine with him in the starting lineup. For the first time in weeks, Boozer had to going but Rose picked the wrong game to channel his inner AI.
    Westbrook was damn near ostracized after he threw up 30 shots but it seems like Rose is immune from such criticism. Might as well call him “Teflon” Rose.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Yall probably already talked about this but Sir Charles and C Webb had a heated argument about Derrick Rose shooting 30 plus shots vs Russell Westbrook shooting 30 plus shots. Hear my thing, you can’t say Derrick Rose doesn’t have help, but when his teammates aren’t hitting shots he has to take 30 plus shots. He’s the best player on his team unlike Westbrook, but if Derrick Rose doesn’t shoot the ball his team doesn’t have a chance to win the game. Derrick Rose’s shot selection is way better than Westbrook’s. Westbrook needs to understand that he is the second option on his squad. He can’t just come down and jack up shots. Bad shots mind you. If Westbrook can understand once he gets his teammates involved in the game, it’s going to open up his transition game.

  • izzo

    “Phil Jackson deserved better.”
    -
    He was coaching that team and did it badly. It’s a shame that he’s gone and all, but he was as much to blame for the loss as his players. He couldn’t get the team properly motivated or prepared. The Lakers looked like a team truly sick of eachother.

  • HAMMER

    Shameful and despicable way 4 a champion 2 bow out. It seems almost unreal that they went down the way they did. And Bynums actions last night further cemented my hatred towards him. Just a classless mofo….And much, much and serious props and congrats 2 the Mavs

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Their were multiple possessions yesterday where no-one but Rose touched the ball. Best player on your team or not, that should not happen as often as it did last night.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Hard way to see things end for LAL, but it doesn’ take away from the rare feat that they accomplished in 09 & 10. It’ll be interesting to see what changes happen to the roster to build for next year.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    It will be Heat-Dallas in the Finals. For a guy with only half a brain, Josh Smith played very well last night – he should be able to play that like on a consistent basis. Regarding Rose’s play; really the perceived lack of offensive power on the Bulls is overrated. The Bulls are by no means an offensive juggernaut or even loaded, but still they have Boozer – career 20/10 guy, Deng – good all around scorer should be good for 16-20 a game, Noah and Gibson that each should be good for 8-12 ppg, a knock down shooter in Korver and a good offensive back up PG. No doubt that Rose is a great talent, their best offensive weapon and should bear the bulk of the shooting, but watching the game, he is really overrated when it comes to leading a team imo and yes his play is selfish and shoot suspect selection for stretches. As I am a Bulls’ fan I hope he gets it down, as he would blossom even further I think.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I think Gasol is having woman troubles…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, not to beat a dead horse, but as brilliant as it was for Rondo to make that return, why in the hell didn’t Spoelstra press the hell out of Rondo’s one-handed ass?
    He (Spoelstra) was ONCE AGAIN… caught up in the “moment”.

  • HAMMER

    What people fail 2 realize is that Rose is only n his 3rd yr. Does he have room 4 improvement? No question. He’s not even n his prime. And that’s scary when u think bout it. And all he’s done is lead the Bulls, yes, lead the Bulls to the best record n the L and becoming MVP n the process. No one could have ever evisioned him being this good so quickly

  • J-MAC

    Boozer looked as good as I have seen him for a while. Korver was broke. Grizz will beat OKC because of their inside presence. Rondo has the heart of a champion and the Celtics will feed off of him and win the series. Dallas looks untouchable with JKidd & Berae playmaking and JET & Peja knocking down treys…and Dirk well being Dirk.

  • T-Money

    Lakers were slow all year. Their perimeter guys could not rotate quickly enough to cover the shooters. JET and Peja were wide open all game. Even before looking at the bigs, they need to get faster at the 1 and the 3. / I’m not sure what Chicago fans expect. Are journalists supposed to praise D-Rose for going 12-32? That’s horrible shooting. D-Rose is shooting 40% from the field and 26% from deep in the playoffs. However, that’s not all his fault. Thibs has basically stopped running any kind of offense. Where are the pick n pops for Booz? Where are the deadly curls for Deng? Besides Rose, only Korver gets some plays ran for him.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    condolences to laker fans, but not for long cuz dwight will probably be coming your way.
    as for rose, as poorly as he played last night – missed shots he’d usually make, and didn’t get some (very important) calls – i honestly wouldn’t have it any other way.
    its nothing new, 32 shots for 34 points, i know he’s gonna get crucified on here.
    but again, when the bench isn’t producing, deng isn’t performing like usual, noah only gets 6? pts, and boozer falls off in the 4th quarter, what is left?
    and you can’t possibly say he wasn’t distributing the ball, he had 10 assists on a night when most were struggling.
    he’s been the bulls leader and played this way to 62 wins, and just because the series is tied it’s not time to panic and change the gameplan.
    one thing that should change is korver’s minutes, way too many.
    rose played the same way on fri and got 44 points in a blowout.
    if the bulls are gonna go down, i’d rather they go down playing the way they always play and have the better team win, they just made some boneheaded mistakes last night.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Hammer, you know who had better 3rd seasons, at similar ages (at least statistically), with out winning the MVP? Bron/Wade/Paul. The guy won the MVP, you expect people not to scrutinise him because he is only 3 years in?

  • Showtime

    Well I guess kobe can still hold on to that mantra “U cant be him in June ” at least..but what about them bulls/hawks should I dare say we have a series

  • Bruno

    damn lakers, I’ve ever hate bynum now more haha … can we get now a hawks-grizzlies finals??

  • JTaylor21

    Those guys on the bulls aren’t producing like they were in the RS because they aren’t getting the ball on a regular basis like they are used to. When a PG decides it’s acceptable to take 28-29 shots a game in the Playoffs, how do you expect the other guys to get into a rhythm?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    thats not true, they ran plenty of plays for boozer and for korver. korver was straight up horrible last night, i think it was 2 points in 18 minutes.
    and boozer disappeared in the 4th.
    if there was one guy they needed to run more sets for it was deng.
    i’m glad boozer finally woke up though, took his ass long enough.

  • Mvp23100

    Shoutout to Kap and Lakeshow and shoutout to the Lakers for going out like Kane in Menace

  • http://Thundercats.com ThunderCats

    If the bulls lose the series do we now call Rose a chucker? Who can we put the blame on? Rose not being more effecient with his shots, or not distributing down low to Boozer to get his touches. Only reason why they were staying in the game was because Noah was there to get the ball after Rose missed his shots and lay ups. His lay ups! LOL

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Quick, pinch me. Cause i sure as hell am dreaming.
    My favorite person in the Nba just exorcised some major demons in the most decisive manner possible. Scoring, passing, *gasp* even defending his way to a dominant showing against the champs.
    A perennial 6th man of the year candidate with a shaky postseason shooting percentage (didn’t check, this is from memory) shot the lights OUT in the clincher.
    A coach who i find lacking in substitution patterns and instinct went toe to toe with an alltime great and matched him well.
    Finally a point guard legend, shaky J and all, still plugging away, nearing his 40′s. and willing to guard one of the toughest covers in the Nba:
    I love this game.
    Luv the Mavs, onwards fellas.

  • Mike From Spain

    damn… I could see the Lakers losing the series… but getting swept AND a 36 point loss? That really sucks :( Eboy, you can laugh as much as you want , Lakers deserve it for once. I started following the Lakers because of Pau Gasol, I never thought he’d suck so completely in the play offs this year. I am a very unhappy fan today…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *pinch*

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    And Eboy: good looking out, man.
    I wouldn’t mind a remix of ’06 tbh.
    Would be on some next level poetic justice ish if Mavs could win the chip against the team that wrestled their 1st chance from them.
    (after having mongoosed the Snake….of course)

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Can we put to rest the Kobe-Jordon comparisons now? Thank you

  • JTaylor21

    Excuses are like a**holes, everyone has one.
    Twist it anyway you want, it still doesn’t hide the fact that a PG took more shots (32) than the other 4 players on the starting lineup combined.
    Stockton is rolling over in his grave!

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    HEY: i felt that, E.
    Just to recap my thoughts from a few weeks back: i knew Dallas could handle Portland, and had a chance against LA.
    There is one team in the West that scares me, as a Mavs fan, to the core:
    The Grizzly Bears.
    TA, Shane, OJ, Conley, Zach, Young and Gasol playing with the determination they have so far would probably beat the Mavs in the WCF.
    Then again, everyone expected the kobettes to waltz over Dallas.

  • http://slamonline.com Ghost

    So these Kobe vs. MJ comparisons can finally be put to rest now right? RIGHT?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kobe failed at getting 2 different threepeats completed and is still 4 Finals MVP’s short of the GOD. He’s still short of his 6th ring. He is also 8 scoring titles short of Michael too. I don’t think, regardless of what scoring numbers Kobe ends his career with, he can ever move past the Distant 2nd Best SG Of All-Time title he holds. It just will never happen….unless of course he can somehow manage ANOTHER three peat going forward. I don’t think that’s going to happen…unless he comes to Chicago or Miami.

  • chitownbred

    ain’t no excuse, its what happened.
    forget the fact that he’s a point guard for now, who else on that team should be shooting in critical moments. korver? sure, if he wasn’t throwing up bricks all nite.
    rose was like 5-11 in the first half, he takes control when he has to.
    if it was boozer taking over at the end of the game instead of him, hell would freeze over.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    ain’t no excuse, its what happened.
    forget the fact that he’s a point guard for now, who else on that team should be shooting in critical moments. korver? sure, if he wasn’t throwing up bricks all nite.
    rose was like 5-11 in the first half, he takes control when he has to.
    if it was boozer taking over at the end of the game instead of him, hell would freeze over.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Hey MATTHEW BARNES: way to punk the Mavs, son.
    At least you were contributing in Orlando last season, so your nonsense was somewhat tolerable. Idiot.

  • Dana

    As an LA fan, I am ashamed by the bush-league plays of Odom and Bynum. The one from Bynum was the worst I have ever seen in the NBA and he could’ve seriously injured Barea. I was watching the post-game interviews and Bynum was unapologetic and acted like an idiot saying he was getting frustrated so he decided that he would foul someone. What an idiot. And to the fans that tolerate this kind of play, shame on you. If that was your child shooting the ball in mid-air then getting socked in the ribs, you would probably shoot Bynum in the head.
    By the way, this is what Bynum said afterwards…not apologizing:

    “A little bit frustrated and they kept making layups,” Bynum said. “No, I’m not disappointed in myself. It is what it is. We got embarrassed tonight, so that’s what happened.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dark….there were a lot of players exposed by the Mavs (and to some extent, the Hornets too). Bynum’s a talent with no brain. Ron Ron is a limited talent with no brain. Matt Barnes is a no talent with little brains. Steve Blake is a nothing talent with little brains. Derek Fisher is now officially a corpse with a heartbeat. Pau is just the Spanish Chris Bosh…kind of like how Buzz Lightyear had his reset switch pushed in toy Story 3. Kobe is now OFFICIALLY on the decline, I mean does it have to be spelled out? Luke Walton is a paperweight. Lamar Odom is a reality star that was cursed by Khardasian Stupidity. That about covers it, right?

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Man, Eboy is in rampage mode.
    And yes, just about covers it. Especially the Kardashian part.

  • HAMMER

    @AllBall. Its not that I don’t expect it. C’mon man. Even MJ had haters. Its just infuriating. That’s it.

  • JTaylor21

    Rose took over last night? Word? I must have been watching a totally different game because I didn’t see any Bull takeover. Matter of fact, the Hawks were the ones that took over down the stretch with the game tied while the MVP chucked up brick after brick. Bulls fans are funny; on one hand they claim the bulls are chip favorites which must mean there’s a great supporting cast around DRose then on the other hand, they claim Rose is the only option they have on offense. Which one is it? Either the bulls are championship contenders with a great support cast or they are a one man show bound to fail in the playoffs due to lack of a viable second option.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m not overly ecstatic, actually….I fully expected this to happen….it’s not surprising.

  • Red Star

    Mike is God to Kobe!!! 98% of what he knows he learned for Mike (his words) Kobe doesn’t even disclose what they talk about because it is sacred to him! The year after he left Adidas did he not wear Jordans for the majority of the season and wasn’t even signed to Nike. You can find pics of him wearing a Jordan Jersey in the Lakers locker room for CS! Also when he said he wanted to be traded it was Chicago that was the front runner to get him! Kobe loves Jordan and knows even if he won twelve rings he would be better than him.
    Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!!!
    Leave Kobe alone!!!!

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i didn’t say rose took over meaning he DOMINTATED and won them the game, did i. you’re twisting it.
    he took control of his team.
    and i never said derrick didn’t have a great supporting cast nor did i say rose was their only option, i was the one in fact questioning that myself.
    ppl said rose isn’t MVP BECAUSE of his supporting cast/coach and him benefiting from it, but then they said he’s the only option so that’s why the bulls aren’t contenders.
    and if given your two options, i’ll take the former, they are contenders with a great supporting cast. but with a great player.
    that PARTICULAR game last night, did not show it though, thats what im talking about, ONE game.

  • JTaylor21

    One game, huh? Shooting 40% during the entire playoffs doesn’t equate into just a one game struggle. The guy has taken 30 more shots than any other player in the playoffs so far and that’s coming from a PG. If that isn’t chucking, I don’t know what is.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    bynum took his jersey off as he got ejected off the court (haven’t seen that since the rodman days), so is it symbolic that he knows he won’t be wearing that jersey next season?
    I watched the 2008 Finals game 4 this saturday and saw that the lakers played roughly 10 times better. much better cohesiveness, crisper executions, and a kobe who moved with amazing agility and still adequate explosiveness. i saw none of that out of the lakers this whole playoffs.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    the part i was talking about for this one game was his supporting cast not showing up.
    him shooting those many shots and his fg% isn’t a surprise.
    would it make people feel better if when they announce him they say “at shooting guard, derrick rose”?
    the definition of point guard is subjective, you can’t box him in with the chris pauls and stockons, he just plays it different. and most of the time, it works.
    like i said, if the bulls are gonna go down, i’d rather it be with the ball in the hands of their best player.

  • 1982

    That whole Kobe-Pau thing with the girlfriend dumping him… Not saying anything about relationships, because that’s between Pau and the lady who dumped him. But Michael Jordan won a championship on Father’s Day the year after his father was murdered. Maybe next time play like you’re focused millionaire pro-ballers instead of a Junior High Varsity team. Ladies come and go, but Phil Jackson comes once in a lifetime.

    Halfway through the Mavs game, I think the joy of making fun of Lakers fans turned into bewilderment. Cheap shots aside, no one saw it coming like that. Two waning dynasties out in one year…Still loving 2011 playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    what-a wacky playoffs

  • MLK4Life

    I’m sure there are a lot of “Kobe’s not MJ” comments on here so I’m not even going to read to find out. No one said he had to be MJ. He never said he wanted to be MJ. He’s as close as we’ll ever see. I think that’s good enough.
    As for DRose, he missed a lot of layups that he normally makes. Everyone has games like that. Boozer should have stayed more involved in the offense towards the end of the game. Not sure if Coach Thibs stopped running plays for him or what. The Bulls will still win this series in 6 or 7.
    As for Bynum, he should be fined heavily and suspended for a few games starting next season. Complete disgrace to himself, his family, and the Lakers organization and he took no remorse in his comments after the game. I saw Kobe shake his head right after the foul. This kid has to grow up immediately. Lamar Odom apologized and said he was embarrassed for what he did. Hopefully they can get a good PG and an athletic wing player in exchange for Gasol and Artest. And hopefully Shannon Brown improves so that he can play more minutes.
    I see JTaylor is spewing his normal nonsense about everything. LeBron James apologists are comical.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    When the game was tied at 80, if Rose had hit the next couple of shots he took and the Bulls won the game, no one would be saying a damn thing about him taking too many shots.
    Oh wait, silly me.
    Of course they would.

  • tRay

    Lakers were out classed period! I’m a fan til the end but Odom and Bynum’s behavior was unexceptable. The fact he wasn’t apologetic about it baffels me. All praise to the Mavs they whooped our a$$ no excuses. As for the this talk about DRose shooting too much yeah he shoots way to much for a point guard in my opinion BUT at times his team just looks lost when they have the ball so it is Rose’s job as an MVP and leader to take over the game.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    LOL! Derrick Rose has a few apologists these days too. Rigo, that didn’t happen, remember? Talking hypothetically, if the Pacers knew how to close out games, the Bulls may be watching from their couch right now. See how that works?

  • JTaylor21

    Waah Waah Waah!!!! I see that rose fans still get butt-hurt whenever someone criticizes their beloved MVP.
    It doesn’t matter whether it’s a SG, SF, PF or Center let alone a PG should be taking 32 shots while making only 11 and no one player should take 30 more shots than any other player in the entire L. That’s a prime example of getting your “chuck” on.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Why do people keep saying that this one man show is going to fail in the playoffs, the Bulls are already in the 2nd round and besides everybody plays great D and the Bulls rebound alot it’s just that on offense a Derrick Rose shot attempt is often the best shot attempt there is, but that’s not always bad because he can create some damn good looks for himself. As for last night, if Rose isn’t just shooting many god awful 3′s and taking it to the rim, I’m fine with 30 shots. You know how many 2nd chance opportunities this guy creates by getting to the rim? I don’t know how many times I’ve seen a Rose shot get tipped in by Noah or Booz because everybody on the defensive end is following him. BTW if the Bulls get to the ECF with what people consider ‘a one man show’, again how can you say it doesn’t work? A loaded TEAM like the Lakers gets swept in 2nd round.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    You think the Bulls could beat that Mavs team playing how they have? Lets remember that they played the Pacers in a close 5 game series (if that is possible), and are now 2-2 with a team that lost 20 of its last 31. The Bulls regular season success and over all play has not shown itself, yet.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I’m not saying 30 shots is good, because the first two games he played really crappy (shot 27 times twice), but all that crying about a PG shooting 30 shots is TOTAL BS. First of all he got 10 assist in games 1,2 and 4. 2nd of all, I don’t know how many times MJ, LeBron or even Kobe dribble the ball upcourt or a superstar gets the ball immediately after the ball crosses halfcourt. If they take as many shots, nobody complains AS MUCH about it as they do know just because it says PG next to Rose’s name on the box score. But how is it not the same, they dominate the ball just as much and often times (Kobe) don’t get nearly the ammount of assists Rose does. WTF do people have to say for themselves if the Rose ever wins a chip? It’s Thibodeau? It’s rebounding? It’s something else but def. not Rose? GTFOH, enough with this Bull.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    let him get his chuck on then.
    he could put up 70 shots, for all i care.
    as long as they keep winning.

  • ThaWindy

    I think if Thibs sits Rose at his normal time in the 4th, the Bulls get the win. Bulls had some bad defensive let downs towards the end that help give Atl the win. Not to mention three horrilbe calls or non calls by the refs that sealed the game for them. Its only Rose third year so by year 7 he will know how to keep his teammnates involved in the game. For now he thinks scoring. Jordan, Kobe, etc all shot the ball too much at times. People want to find something to hate on.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Derrick Rose is using more possessions in these playoffs then LeBron James or Kobe Bryant have ever in a playoffs. Which I believe, (this is just a theory) is where all this Rose is a chucker talk is coming from. Now i’ve defended Rose on how much he shoots and still will because I feel it is the best option for Chicago, the majority of the time. My issue is with how little Carlos Boozer get’s involved, even when he’s playing well. IDK who decides what plays are ran for Chicago or how many plays they have that are designed for Boozer, but I just think that team should focus more on a two man game with Rose and Boozer then they have been (only against ATL)

  • MLK4Life

    @JTaylor
    It wasn’t like he shot 32 jumpshots. Chucking is when you shoot jumpshots without someone else touching the ball. LeBron chucks. Kobe chucks. DRose slashes and most of the time he makes his layups. Last night he didn’t. You’re either misinformed or you didn’t watch the game.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    as much as a i bash on booz, i’ve been wondering why the bulls don’t run more pick and rolls with him. it’s weird.
    i feel like that could be the bulls bread and butter, IF boozer can perform like he can.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    How did CP play this weekend, AllBall?
    Oh, wait…

  • JTaylor21

    Ha, so LeBron and Kobe chucks but Rose doesn’t? Hysterical!!!!
    For example, the past 7 yrs Bron has been the primary option on those cavs team yet I don’t ever remember him feeling the need to take 27, 27, 27 and 32 shots in consecutive playoff games. So the excuse of Rose needing to “chuck” for his team to be successful is bogus.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    And JTaylor, we’ve been over this over and over again, but once again –
    You do realize the irony of making fun of Rose fans for “getting butt-hurt whenever someone criticizes their beloved MVP” when no one on this site with the exception of AllBall come to their favorite player’s defense more vehemently and prolifically than you, right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I assume somebody said this already, but I will say it again. During the Lakers game they all the defending champs who got swept the year after getting a ring. Magic was on there twice. So Magic should really fall back with all his shots at this Lakers team. For real.

  • ThaWindy

    I just read ref Bennett Salvatore ADMITS he blew the Rose foul by Crawford. Doesnt matter now. Even with Rose shooting 32 time the Bulls should have won the game. But they cant overcome bad D and bad refs.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Like I said 15 minutes ago, neither LeBron James nor Kobe Bryant have ever used this many possessions in a playoff series. You can click my name for proof.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    in a playoffs* total, not just a series.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    WTF Jtaylor, when did I say Kobe and LeBron ‘chuck’, I said people are b*tchin about it with Rose mostly because he’s a PG but it doesn’t matter which position you play, a superstar is going to dominate the ball. But it just seems you don’t watch the games, except for maybe 7 shots, all of his shots came in the lane, normally he’s a beast when he gets into the paint, this could’ve easily been another 40 outing for Rose and everybody would stf up (except for you and Skip0 about the 30 shots.

  • ThaWindy

    Okay so, 30, 23, 28, 29, is better. Ya guy LBJ.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Everybody just wait to judge the Bulls (and Rose) until they’re out of the playoffs. Same goes for every other team remaining in the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I am rejoicing that the Lakers lost because I did not want to see Kobe get six. But, I felt like Magic went overboard. Dude is a snake like Isiah said.
    He was taking shots at the Lakers like they were the first team to ever get swept after winning a ring when it happened to him TWICE! TWICE! Come on son, that’s ridiculous.

  • Double J

    “All told, Dallas’ 86 points off the bench matched the Lakers’ total points for the entire game. There’s no way you can win a game in the NBA when that happens.” Wow… I didn’t know!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Rigo, is Rose bad play this post-season excused with a “he’s still playing whilst the best player at his position isn’t”? Let’s consider Paul played inspired basketball during his six game run. Compare that to Rose who has played 5-6 underwhelming games so far. What does CP’s team being out really have to do with Rose playing poorly?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Five or six underwhelming games?
    Which ones?
    I’ve only counted one. That was his 15 point game in the loss to Indy.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    5-6 more playoff games than CP’s played this year.
    ZING!

  • JTaylor21

    Rigo Suave, when was the last time I was on here ready to die for Bron’s honor like most Rose fans are ready to fall on a samurai sword for their beloved MVP?

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Last night was pretty underwhelming. He’s shooting 41% for the playoffs, save for a couple great games he’s been more underwhelming then overwhelming. But he’s also playing hurt, and their offense is easier to scout then the kool-aid guy

  • http://bulls.com airs

    JT, its probably cuz we don’t have a you on here who criticizes LBJ on the regular.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Don’t make me look for it, JTaylor (translation: I don’t really feel like looking for it)
    For the record, I ain’t falling on sh*t.
    I actually think Rose is shooting too much in the playoffs too.
    But that’s been the Bulls’ recipe for success in the regular season. Why flip the script?
    And if the Bulls fall short of winning it all this year, I’ll be straight cause I didn’t expect them to do win it this year anyways.
    I still contend they’re a good 2-guard away.

  • JTaylor21

    Can we just agree on one thing? Rose is a straight up chucker. A great player but it still doesn’t discount that fact that dude is chucking at an alarming rate so far in the playoffs. The guy has taken 218 shots so far, 30 more than the second closet shot taker (KB) while making only 88 of them. So a PG has taken 30 more shots than a freaking SG known for chucking himself.
    Now that’s taking “chucking” to unseen heights.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why would you scout the Kool Aid guy? And exactly what does that scouting report look like?

  • Double J

    The majority of the commenters keep talking about the Heat running away with the title this year, but c’mon! If the Mavs play out like they did this series there’s no stopping them. My Lakers saw it first hand, they have too many shooters everywhere. Here’s to D12 for Bynum and Artest this Summer!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    LOL. Does the Kool Aid guy have a sooper fade-away?

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Well the purpose of the scouting report would be too find out when your wall is in jeopardy of being demolished. Pretty much his scouting report looks like this “only shows up when a child says “oh, no!” – “he breaks through your wall and says “oh, yeah!” and just walks out”

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Nbk throwing a bit of logic into this discussion. Because he scores a lot of points does not mean he is not underwhelming. He was underwhelming last night, he just shot the ball 32 times, which led to 34 points.
    Yeah, Rose has played more games than Paul, it seems it has been established that instead of discussing this properley with facts or logic I will be greeted with some sort of remark about Pauls play. Rose has been sub-par this post season over all.

  • MLK4Life

    DRose isn’t chucking. He’s taking mostly good shots. They’re just not falling at a rate that some people would like (people like JTaylor who ultimately don’t matter).

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    who said the Heat were going to run away with the title? and when did if they was ever said, one comment become the majority?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If Orlando trades Dwight for either Gasol/Artest or Bynum/Artest I may drive to Orlando and smack Otis Smith personally.
    That is a horrible deal for the Magic.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Sure thing, AllBall.
    But at least he’s still playing.

  • JTaylor21

    Just so we don’t get it twisted. I believe Bron has been playing like a bum so far in the playoffs especially for his standards. You would expect him to play with a sense of urgency and renewed energy after the way his playoffs ended last season and with all the backlash he got during the off-season but it seems like the exact opposite is happening. He’s been passive to start every game, throwing up floaters instead of looking to finish strong at the rim, abandoning his jumpshot way too early when he misses a couple and disappearing for long stretches. I don’t like this new “passive, jumpshooting, floater taking” LeBron and if he doesn’t come out looking to assert himself to start GM 4, I may need to start cheering for Kobe. Oh, wait…..

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Allen – If I had anything to bet I’d be willing to say if the Orlando/LA trade happens it will be some combination of (Bynum/Odom/x) or (Gasol/Odom/x) for (Howard/Turkoglu(or)Arenas)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    If you like stats, Drose is avg 29.4 PPG! 7.6 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals and a block. Yes, he shoots ALOT, but he’s putting points on the board.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    If Orlando doesn’t trade Dwight for SOMETHING, they’re going to lose him anyway.

  • ThaWindy

    As long as you agree he’s a chucker just like Kobe, Mike and LBJ were and are.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I like the idea of Dwight to the Clippers…..he and Griffin could possibly end all of humanity.

  • tRay

    I kind of see where JTaylor is coming from as regards to Rose shooting too much. I think people don’t like him because he comes off as a hater lol but in retrospect he is pretty spot on BUT I really don’t think the Bulls have a shot at winning anything if Rose doesn’t “chuck”

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Neither LeBron James nor Derrick Rose are chuckers, they shoot a lot out of necessity. Maybe they shoot too much at certain points in their career but neither of those two are “chuckers” can we please move onto something else? — Rose and the Bulls are a year or two away from truly competing for a championship just like LeBron was in Cleveland.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Howard and Griffin would just be unfair to opposing frontlines.
    And the rims.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i think the bulls at best get to the finals, ECF at least. if they don’t make it there, it’s kind of a disappointment.
    if they don’t win the ECF/Finals, its still a successful season.
    god, a decent 2 guard would just put em over the top.
    here’s to hoping Ron Mercer comes out of retirement.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    why is bynum/artest for dwight such a bad trade for orl?

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    OH and of all the peopl to be talking about a chucker, JTaylor you wanna talk about Russell Westbrook and the crap he’s been doing? Talk about a dumb chucker

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Because Artest is involved.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    airs – Ron Mercer?
    Come on, you need to think bigger than that!
    EDDIE ROBINSON!!!

  • JTaylor21

    So you want to move on to talk about the same ole, tiresome “the Bulls remind you so much of those Bron Cavs team” debate. Is that what I’m hearing?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bynum is about a 6 on the center scale. Dwight’s a 10 by default. There is no way Orlando get’s anything close to fair value for the dude unless they get back a rock solid center and then complimentary pieces to support the fall off they’ll experience. Kobe’s already helped a center that couldn’t shoot free throws….how is that going to work for him a decade later? I think Dwight going to the Lakers is a Twitter inspired pipe dream for Laker fans grasping at their future. I think if the Magic can sneak CP3, he’ll be happy and then they can build from there.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    ooooh, tough choice. i gotta go with mercer, that drop step thing when he catches the ball is just too cool. but maybe we can get brent barry to sign for another year.
    ha! ron artest and gilbert arenas in a locker room sounds like reality TV gold.

  • JTaylor21

    Okay. So if Westbrook is a “bad” chucker that must make Rose a “good” chucker. Good, bad, evil, green or white, it doesn’t matter because both players are chuckers.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Eboy your officially senile if you think Orlando has any pieces to get CP3.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    2010-11 NBA All-Defensive First Team: Rajon Rondo, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett & Dwight Howard.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    2010-11 NBA All-Defensive Second Team: Chris Paul, Tony Allen, Andre Iguodala, Joakim Noah & Tyson Chandler

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    No love for Loul Deng.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Great to see Noah on there, but he played 48 games compared to Deng’s 82

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Rigo, I think you got those mixed up. Shouldn’t the second team be the first team?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Are you serious? CP3 is going to do what Melo did. So is Dwight. Force hands. It’s already been established that it works. I’m not sure how the money would match up, but Nelson and pieces would be enough to placate losing him for nothing next July. I don’t think CP3 is going to want to play for a team that plays no D like the Knicks, so you put him with a guy like Dwight and now you have a strong roamer on the perimeter with the best shot blocker in the league? EVERYONE is going to make offers for these two…..but it’s more likely CP3 goes to a team with someone he WANTS to play with instead of being landlocked on some sorry island with Stephen Jackson and Kwame Brown.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    And there is no way Kobe was better than Tony Allen defensively this year. WTF?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’d like to see Jamal Crawford come back to Chicago and play in the backcourt with DRose. Wouldn’t be a lot of perimeter defense, but if you like crucial crossovers and mad buckets, the Bulls would be must-see-TV.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    No, Nicolas.
    I think the NBA and the voters have them mixed up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Are these actual are just a made up list from Dezi Arnez Jr.? There is no GODDAMN way Kobe Bryant should even be on the 3rd team of an All-Defensive list.

  • JTaylor21

    Rigo Suave, are you sh*tting me? So Kobe made another all-defensive team after yet another season of playing salon-door defense?
    Oh Lawd……..

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Derrick Rose just barely missed the cut for All-Defensive team.
    That was surprising too.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Yeah, no way Kobe should’ve been 1st Team All-Defense this year.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    I’ll spell it out for you so you can clearly see with your eyes since your brain doesn’t draw a good enough picture. – Game 1, Memphis v OKC – Russell Westbrook (9-23 w/ 6 assists and 7 turnovers) Thunder lose. Game 2, (9-20 w/ 6 assists and 4 turnovers) Thunder win. Game 3, (7-22 w/ 12 assists and 7 turnovers) Thunder lose. Russell Westbrooks usage rate this playoffs is 35.4 and as i’ve already stated Rose is higher then KObe or LeBron have ever been in their whole career and he’s the best player on his team and his usage in the playoofs in only 1.2 (possessions per 100) higher then Westbrook. ANd he doesn’t have the best scorer or even a top 20 scorer in the league playing next to him.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I got it from Twitter, y’all. I’m not feeling these lists either.
    Kobe 1st team All-Defense? Rose and Noah getting more votes than Deng?
    F*ck outta here….

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Eboy – are you seriously under the impression that Jameer Nelson as your best trade chip will be the best offer NO can get for Chris Paul? NYK gave up 4 starters to get Melo, its not like Denver took back peanuts.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    deng gets no love, tsk

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Those are the correct all-defensive teams, they were posted on NBA a minute ago. I can’t believe how ridiculous some of those selections are

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    actually just the Kobe Bryant portion of those selections. – Grant Hill, Luol Deng got jipped. Tony Allen got screwed by not being put on the 1st team.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    And this from the official Lakers Twitter – “Congratulations to Kobe Bryant for being named to the NBAs All-Defensive 1st Team for the 9th time, tying Jordan & Payton for most all-time.”
    Ugh…

  • JTaylor21

    Another season, another all-defensive selection Kobe receives that’s unwarranted. When does the tomfoolery of overhyping and overrating Kobe end?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    At least Kobe won something this season.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Who picks those teams? It is beyond crazy that Kobe is first team. And Jrue Holiday is a better defender than Rondo and Chris Paul. Hellz yes.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I think there was about a 3 or 4 year period where Kobe was an elite defender, the rest of his career he’s either been average or just above-average, but not elite.

  • JTaylor21

    Who actually voted on these? Gotta be the coaches.
    Goes to show that coaches and players aren’t really watching games like most of us do. It’s a damn shame that someone like Kobe makes it over guys like Deng, Hill, Brewer and Wade strictly off hype and name recognition.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Kobe Bryant literally has not guarded another teams best player in years. – he hasn’t been the best defensive wing on his own team in years. – and he may not even be top 3 on LA this year. the coaches just blindly fill those things out now a days?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe tied with Jordan and Payton for defensive awards? That is why I used to be so adamantly opposed to the Nash MVPs. These awards will sway discussions 10 years from now. Watch.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Co-sign Allenp.
    Rondo and Paul get their steals by playing the passing lanes extremely well and having great timing and all that.
    But for best on-the-ball defender at the PG?
    Give me Holiday all day every day.

  • izzo

    BREAKING: Scot Pollard makes the NBAs All-Hairstyle Team.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    I’ll still take Rondo – He got a little lax in the middle of the season on that end and was just reaching and gambling, but if the game matters I want Rondo on defense if I can’t use Tony Allen.

  • izzo

    JR Smith wins NBA Community Assist Award.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t stress how wack it is that true defensive players, like Tony Allen and his ilk get shafted so big name players can pad their resumes. Same thing happened to Shane Battier before too.
    It cheats these guys of their just due if they don’t make second team. It’s all about padding legacies.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    All-Defensive Teams should have been imo: 1st Rondo, T. Allen, Andre Iggy, Noah, Chandler 2nd Westbrook, Thabo S, LeJames, KG, Dwight 3rd Paul or Jrue (didn’t see him enough, but he looked good against the Heat), Bogans, G.Hill, Ibaka, Bogut

  • izzo

    Gregg Popovich voted most Photogenic.

  • ernied

    Boston would be more than happy to trade Big Baby for Gasol.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    There’s only two All-Defensive teams, Lz.
    And Allen has a point, in 20 years when our kids are talking sh*t on SLAMonline or whatever they have by then, kids are gonna be going on about how elite a defender Bean was cause he got 10+ all-defensive teams (y’all know he’ll probably get it again)

  • JTaylor21

    Why even have all-defensive teams if year after year a guy like Kobe gets in when he’s out there guarding the likes of JKidd and Rondo?
    What’s next? SNash, Booz and KLove are named first team defenders?

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    RT @RussBengston RT @basquiatball: At this point opposing coaches just want Kobe to think he doesn’t need to change anything about how he defends

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    True Rigo. Just thought I would add a 3rd for further discussion. Kobe is way overrated as a defender. He is at best average these days. He was a very good defender when he was younger, but even then never a elite stopper. To see that he has tied Glove & MJ (my two all-time favorite players coincidentially)is just bogus… When has he ever stopped anybody? Gilbert Arenas hung +60 on him for crying out loud…

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    #Kobedontdeservefirstteamalldefense

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ Speedy

    The dark times seem to be over for us mavs fans.
    I will not celebrate till the playoffs/finals are done. (To many heartbreaks in the last three years)
    Last night I watched the game with a friend and we couldn’t believe what we just saw.
    It is nice to see that this team has a lot of chemistry and motivation.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is why Kobe feeds the media beast the way he feeds it. Hell, even Rondo didn’t deserve the nod he got. I think Westbrook is a better defender than Rondo and Holiday is better than both of them.
    I am torn between LeBron, Iggy and Shane for first team. But what about old boy for the Bucks? He was beasting on defense last year.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m calling BS to that tweet. I’m sorry but coaches are not there to play mind games, they are there to rightfully give someone their just due for their play on the defense end.
    At this point I much rather have all those “stats heads” y’all complain about picking all-nba teams because at least those guys have the time to breakdown and analyze so many games.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    i’ve always thought rose “chucking” was necessary..it’s his efficiency and the rest of his game I have a problem with. Not that I have a huge problem with his game anyway..been a fan of his since college. Personally. Also y’all discussion is hilarious.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Kobe’s never beaten the Mavericks in the playoffs.
    Ha, just saying that sounds insane.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkidl

    Oh that was me just now. Not royal.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rick Carlisle just called Dirk a top ten player in history.
    On another note, Rick Carlisle would fail any drug test administered right now. Lol.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Rondo still measures out as a top 5 defensive PG in the NBA depending on how your looking at it from a productivity standpoint. – HE is also one of the leaders in the league in PG “blow-bys” according to a source, so I assume that’s where Allen tends to discount Rondo defensively?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Carlisle could have got away with that if he referenced Dirk as one of the top 10 PF’s ever.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    JTaylor that tweet was what we like to call in the twitter world “sarcasm”

  • izzo

    That peyote can do weird things if you try to smoke it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Y’all hear about the latest “news that isn’t really news but let’s blow it up anyways?” The whole LeBron “retarded” thing?
    That’s the bad part of being in this Twitter age, is that people expect news 24/7, so the media feel like they gotta speak on EVERY. LITTLE. THING.
    Or maybe it’s not a little thing? To me it is, but to others it might not be? It certainly struck a cord when Obama said the whole “special olympics bowling” quote.
    I suppose it’s always good whenever discussions can arise from these things.
    I guess.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Doubtful that Lebron knows this….but there is another definition of the word “retarded” that is used to describe things that are developmentally delayed:
    1.
    to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.
    –verb (used without object)
    2.
    to be delayed.
    –noun
    3.
    a slowing down, diminution, or hindrance, as in a machine.
    4.
    Slang: Disparaging .
    a.
    a mentally retarded person.
    b.
    a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard.ke the norm:

  • http://bulls.com airs

    whoa wth is that about, matic?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And if anyone heard the person and the question that was being asked, i doubt there’d be any question as to why muttered the words he did.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I thought the question was legit.
    Looked like a dirty play to me.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I thought no more of LeBron’s comments than I did Kobe’s. Twitter was going crazy over the Rondo/Wade incident, so maybe the woman who asked the question was on there, saw what was being said and then decided to ask the question.
    Twitter is fun, I enjoy it a lot, but it’s also a cesspool of stupidity.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    okay nvm, just read about.
    thats re..diculous.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    you should tweet that so I can give it a good RT…lol i’m not trying to steal thoughts but that can’t be more spot on

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    “Twitter is fun, I enjoy it a lot, but it’s also a cesspool of stupidity” is what i’m talking about

  • http://google J-Ro

    Quick question for you guys. Should Caron Butler be included in the Mavs rotation if and when he comes back? and if so, would the team get better, or will he mess up chemistry?

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Depends who they are playing, if you get OKC in the next round i’d say use him when you aren’t using Marion to guard KD. Other then that I don’t see what he’ll help in such a small amount of time to get reacclimated

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Haha… Word, nbk.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i remember hearing caron isn’t coming back for the rest of the playoffs.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Rose got more 1st team all defense votes the Joakim Noah, even though he spent the first 2/3 of the season labeled as the Bulls weakest defender with Carlos Boozer. lol

  • JTaylor21

    Rigo Suave, of course you thought it was a dirty play. Your one of those cats in the gym crying for a foul on every play and screaming “hands down, man down” after every shot. I know your kind!!!

  • T-Money

    the 2nd team is actually better than the first team. lol.

  • bashmo

    Where are all the Rose NutHuggers? Terrible performance. He shot his team out of the game and you cannot tell me otherwise. He better start passing the ball more or the Bulls are in TROUBLE

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The Rose nut huggers are a popular group, eh?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Talking about Derrick Rose everyday reminds me of when LeBron was discussed in here almost daily.

  • bashmo

    @Allenp they have become some of the most annoying basketball “fans” ive seen

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @bashmo: You mean like more annoying than the LeBron James “fans”? That’s a strong statement…

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i think it’s ignorant to generalize and say every bulls/rose fan is “annoying”.
    its probably more “annoying” that they’re actually getting some love now.
    and equally as “annoying” when people gripe about others supporting their team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bashmo, to the point where your initial comment is about them despite the fact that no nuthugging of Rose was going on?
    That seems over the top.
    The series is 2-2. The Bulls have a great shot to be in the ECF and make the Finals. People might want to remember that as they pile on the hatred.

  • KSupreme

    Put Bynum, Pau, Artest, Blake, Odom on the chopping block for Dwight, DWill or Chris Paul, everyone will walk away with something

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The difference between DRose and LBJ fans is this: LBJ supporters are fans of the player, not the team he plays for, while DRose supporters are fans of the Chicago Bulls, first.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!

  • JTaylor21

    Oh, look dude is gloating that he’s down to “superhead” the entire bulls squad as opposed to just Rose. Wow, don’t let me stop you from channeling your inner Katt Stacks.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OK, ea5t5ide…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And this from the guy who says he doesn’t intentionally try to get my attention. I have some weirdo “fans”…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Way off subject;
    Meh, never mind… lol

  • JTaylor21

    Feel free buddy. Let everyone know my info, seems like that’s the only thing you’re good at.
    Written any good articles lately? Oh, wait…….

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You know I only write for your approval, JTaylor. Every time I sit down at my computer I’m thinking, “Man, I hope JTaylor likes this one!”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That LeBron statement is patently false. I submit Eboy as Exhibit A.
    Some people stan for Rose, some stan for the team. I can’t see what makes one stance better than the other, but then again my feelings on team “fandom” have already been expressed.

  • max

    @bryan actually… most of the Bulls fans are originally MJ fans that didn’t care about basketball for the last 10 years and are now crawling out of every corner again, since the only NBA jersey they own is a Bulls one.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    i will say that a good majority of bulls fans are cubs fans who jumped on the bandwagon when someone else said “oh, the bulls are good again?”
    and you KNOW i can’t stand cubs fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Using Eboy as an example makes my statement “patently false”? What about all the time LBJ was in Cleveland? Where did all the Cavs fans go, if there is indeed such a thing? That’s no bueno, Allen, especially considering all of the “fandom” debates we’ve had.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out @”fandom”…

  • ThaWindy

    Southside stand up

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Whats a Cavs fan?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you say LeBron fans are not fans of the teams, they are fans of players, then you have to explain Eboy.
    He’s a fan of LeBron now, to the point where he’s defended him against your attacks.
    Yet, he only became a fan of LeBron when he joined the Heat.
    So Eboy is a LeBron fan who is following the same dynamic you attributed to Rose fans.
    So, your statement is false.
    Now, T_money and JTaylor may be cats who support LeBron regardless of his team, but Eboy and Cheryl are not.
    As for Cavs fans, their team sucks. People tend to be more vocal in their support when a team is winning. See the increase in Bulls fans for proof.

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Guys, NBA announced all defensive teams. Guess what?! Kobe got in 1st team again LOLLL

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’d argue that Eboy is a “supporter” of LeBron due to the fact he plays for the team that he’s a fan of. He’s not here to explain his position, so until he does…
    And I maintain that Rose supporters are and were Bulls fans, first. A group of people who stood behind the team even during the lean years.
    LeBron had a following while he was in HS. A very LARGE following that Rose didn’t have. But I forgot who I was talking to… You’re right once again, sir. I’m wrong once again. My arms are too short… Back to my place now.

  • eboylebrondelontwfamily

    wow look at eboy spending time w/ lebron nuts. he maybe suckin’ it up w/ delonte as well. imagine him as he is the glee’s sucka$$ coach of the cheerios. good job eboy

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    I just think Chicago has way way more fans then Miami or Cleveland. Its absurd to think on a national level either of those teams will have fan support in anywhere near a comparative level to chicago. And whether or not people are bulls or derrick rose fans or lebron fans or whatever, it doesn’t excuse being illogical and stupid about the topics. ANd both types of fans are idiots some of the time

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    BC – youre my dude and all, but thats false bro.
    a lot of so called bulls fans are now bulls fan solely because of derrick rose.
    you might not see it if you’re surrounded by hardcore bulls fans, which you might be.
    but i’ll tell you now, i see it on a daily basis: some one i’ve known for a long time never speaking a word about the bulls until just recently because drose is killing it. there’s a new wave of em every time derrick rose’s face is on ESPN.
    sure, they’ll give you the “oh i loved the bulls ever since jordan” yadda yadda yadda but it’s all BS, just trying to sound cool.

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    Hey Kobe is an elite defender he has ended up in the 1st nba all defensive team 9 times!!!

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Wheres “Lakeshow” been ?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    airs – you’re my dude and all, but that’s false too.
    How in the hell are you gonna say most of these Bulls fans just jumped back on the bandwagon when they’ve led or been at the top of attendance in the NBA even during the horriBulls years?
    I remember still talking to my boys about stuff like, believe it or not, “yo, you seen Eddy Curry last night?” or “Damn, Jalen was going OFF!”
    Most Bulls fans I know been Bulls fans forever, regardless of whether they sucked or not.

  • JTaylor21

    Preach! Leave it to ole dude to keep lying to himself. Living vicariously through another human being would do that to you.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Udonis Haslem activated for tonight.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I support Bron cause he’s a member of the Heat now and will fight cats that nitpick him. I dont stan that guy though. I liked him before July because of his talent and things he had done on the
    court. He’s not even my favorite player on the squad…he may be third behind Dwyane and UD. But at the end of the day…im a Heat fan….thats where my loyalty is. Unfortunatley that means I have to big up Chrish Bosh too.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    Ive waited for this day for so long… and as much as i hate kobe, all im really hoping for is for Lebron to be next

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I am glad you have learned your place Bryan…
    Blanket statements are dangerous. There were people here who fought for Bron when he played for the cavs who don’t say much at all now because he isn’t with the team.
    Bron has more fans but he has been around longer and had a higher profile. Things will change.

  • JTaylor21

    Rigo Suave, negro please! No way in hell were you and your boys chatting about Eddie “The Michelin Man Curry”, no way jose!
    Bulls fans are similar to the groundhog in that y’all popped up during the MJ years, went back underground from 99-07 and have now resurfaced for the Rose era. The Groundhog is also known as the wood”chucker”, so there’s some correlation between the two.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Thinking you’re never wrong about anything, ever, is dangerous too. But I guess that’s a blanket statement too.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Right. I forgot, you were there chilling on my corner with me and my boys back in ’02 and sh*t, huh?
    I just didn’t notice you, cause you know, you’re all quiet and humble away from this site.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    JTaylor so your saying you’ll disappear when LeBron retires? Or will you find someone else to defend/root for? or do you just like to pick a fight and stick it out to exhaustion, even if your point is only mute and annoying?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Like your boy D Rose

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Some times I can’t tell if its real Jtaylor or fake Jtaylor. Or if its old Jtaylor when I first started checkin SlamO and he was like a jacked up on line version of c_cantrell.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sigh.
    tell me when you have argued a position thinking you are wrong? That is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty.
    I never said I am never wrong and I readily admit when I am proven wrong. I have done it many times on here and in real life.
    but when I argue a point I think that I am right. Why else would I be arguing?

  • JTaylor21

    I’m mute and annoying yet it seems like you’re always quick to respond. Hmm, I wonder why?

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    because i’m annoyed and i’d rather not sit here and read you say the same thing about Rose as a chucker day after day after day. It was Kobe for most the season, then you moved on to Rose, but are the FIRST person to defend Russell Westbrook, so clearly your just here to argue, contradict yourself, and annoy the sh*t out of those unfortunate enough to have to read the same thing from you every single day. ECHO!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Basically prove me wrong and I will say I am wrong.
    But I am going thinking I am right.
    Why is that such a foreign concept?

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    its not Allen. I think Bryan was trying to say something else, or atleast I hope so. But if not, then please will you start letting us know when your arguing a point that you don’t think is right?

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’ve never seen you admit to being wrong about anything on here. Perhaps that was before my time. These days, it seems that you’re the only one who’s ever right at all. And I’m not the first one to point that out.
    Sure, everyone feels they’re right when they make a statement, that is until you step in and tell them otherwise. The only difference is that no one can tell you that you’re wrong about anything… Because you never are.
    But whatever…

  • JTaylor21

    Looks like someone is suffering from a case of male sensitivity aka MENopause. Symptoms include overreaction, bloating, sensitivity to criticism, irritability and mood swings.
    Might wanna get that checked out.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Damn, y’all sound like a therapy session or something…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    real talk, i thought eddy curry was gonna be dope haha. before he got traded to the knicks dude had reaaaal potential
    the alley oops to him and chandler had me hopeful.
    but i still believe that a ton of these supposed bulls fans are only bulls fans because of drose, i shouldn’t have said most.
    like i said, it might not seem like it if you’re surrounded with hardcore bulls fans, but its for real.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Overreaction? to what? sensitivity to what? bloating? maybe, i’ll ask my girl, mood swings? naw-your always annoying, irritability? always

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Maybe the people arguing with me just failed to prove me wrong?
    My recent points have been that Kobe is clutch but inefficient, rose is better than westbrook as a point guard by a large margin, Zbo is a top five power forward in the league, the Heat’s construction is not bad for the league, nash still didn’t deserve both mvps and Kobe is not first team defense. Where am I wrong?

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    airs, when Ben Gordon was with Chicago, and when Hinrich ran the show, there were a TON of Bulls fans around. I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden DRose made everybody Bulls fans. I’m sure that there are a few who fall into that category, but Chicago has had a following like the Knicks, Lakers and Celtics that go back farther than 3 years ago.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    *DRose made everybody Bulls fans like LBJ made everybody Cavs fans.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Nash deserved one of those MVP’s, we’ve had that discussion countless times, but your wrong about that one IMO

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Or Heat fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK would you say you definitely proved me wrong or that we both stated our strong positions and agreed to disagree?
    We are all arguing mainly subjecive points with some objective information. There is a lot of leeway there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com unf*ckwitable

    Kobe first team defense GTFOH.

  • http://chicagonow.com/sports/bulls Diesel

    Does anyone ever convince anyone that they’re wrong on this website? I’ve rarely, if ever actually seen someone successfully argue their position and convince the other person to switch their stance. Most of the time one person just gets sick of arguing. Or the other person is jtaylor and they have no idea what they’re arguing in the first place.

  • Myung

    All of this is based on limited observation so take it for what it’s worth (or ignore it completely)… Allen, one of your recent points was that Josh Smith has regressed a lot this year. I pointed that he really hasn’t but that maybe you’ve just noticed it because he’s on TV more, and in fairness, you sort of backed off your original stance, although I never really got the feeling you were admitting you were “wrong.” You simply backed off a little. If that’s your way of admitting you’re wrong, so be it. BC, I pointed out last week that Forrest Gump was from Alabama and not Georgia, and you contended over and over that you were right. I know it was a Forrest Gump conversation so it’s not “that serious,” but it was a very harmless topic and an easy way for you to say, “I was wrong.” But you took the low road. I admit I don’t come on here very often any more so in fairness to you two, I might miss the times when you do admit you’re wrong. I apologize in advance for not seeing everything you two have written. Personally, I’ve never seen either of you admit you’re wrong so I’m not exactly sure what either of you is trying to prove tonight. You both strike me as real stubborn and prideful dudes… but that’s the status quo for people who have strong convictions about sports so I don’t hold it against either of you. Personally, you two are very similar in my eyes. You might have different stances, but in terms of stubbornness and pride, you two are about equal, at least on these boards.

  • http://www.slamonline.com unf*ckwitable

    Arguing over fandom again, so pointless. Every star players has fans that will follow them from club to club just like every club has fans that will always support them no matter how bad they are.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I havein a few instances presented a compelling enough arument to sway someone. But that is rare. Usually you just argue until one person looks stupid or gets tired.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myung I thought I said that last year he appeared to turn the corner and then he regressed this year. That came after you challenged my observation.
    I agree dude had crappy shot selection for years my point about his regression was from last year to this year. But since I didn’t make that clear I could see how you thought I was off base. So I didn’t argue with you.

  • Myung

    Has anyone ever swayed you, Allen? Sincere question.

  • http://slamonline t dubb

    The lakers played like crap the whole series i will be the first to say it but to all u laker haters who think this will be the last time u see this team are smoking like i said the lakers dont rebuild they reload these guys will be back in the mix next year in a major way trust me

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I am stubborn and arrogant. I have never claimed to be anything else.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai has.convinced.me that Nash is better.than KJ.
    That is the biggest one.

  • lebronut$eboy

    yeah have a happy season since lakers dynasty went downhill anyway. well its a franchise not just crappy teams playing for their dear lives. and ebouy’s actin’ God and will be n@thuggin’ Heat for a long time just like delonte on bron’s mom. Amen and good job eBoy anything Heat on the finals would be great, since everybody would be prayin’ for their demise except you of course, you’ll be talkin’ smack if they win the chip just like any fan of the team, of course

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    We agreed to disagree but I think there are certain pointin their where you re-examine a topic if BC wants to see you recently be open to being “wrong” but your case made logical sense just a differing opinion on what’s “right”

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Generally people can only admit they are wrong about measurable facts. Those facts are also debatable when they are shown in statistics. So noons ever feels right or wrong in a basketball discussion. That’s why I like predictions they show much more then most arguments

  • JTaylor21

    Good win on the road by MIA and who would have thought that Bosh would be the one to close out the game. Bron has to play better though, 12-28 is not going to cut it.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Hey, Allen:
    Didn’t I convince you that The King would start over Ceballos as a rookie on the Lakers? (I think someone else came down and regulated that exchange)
    What about you suggesting that “coaches major in basketball in college, if they’ve finished college at all?” Or you thinking that a real coach is not required to have a bachelor’s drgree?
    Or, that Magic didn’t just purely put his “behind” on people to get in the paint, as you’ve stated he does?
    What about you judging c_cantrell, as a non-believer would?
    Let me leave you alone…
    lol

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    No
    No
    No
    No
    On the last one, you need to read the scripture again. The Bible says that if you judge others you will be judged by the same measure. Basically, if you want to judge, be prepared to have the same spotlight cast on your life.
    That scripture, and the one about the LOVE of money being the root of all evil are probably the two most misquoted scriptures in the Bible.

  • the Dude

    Phil Jackson is the best coach the NBA will ever employ. The Lakers self-implosion does nothing to tarnish his legacy.

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