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Tuesday, May 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am  |  194 responses

Post Up: Living Comfortable

The Mavs jump ahead to a 3-1 lead.

Oklahoma City 112, Dallas 105

Oklahoma City did enough to win, and ultimately, just a little bit more to lose. It’s too easy just to simply point at the 99-84 lead with five minutes to go and the subsequent collapse (28-6… good golly), but the seeds of finality were planted much earlier, in the form of wasting an explosive start by Kevin Durant by starving him of second-quarter touches, and then, by turning the ball over 9 times in the third—both instances where the foot was primed to squeeze the throat only to have it go begging.

Dirk Nowitzki was predictably sensational and unguardable; the League’s best offensive player after his dribble is killed; and a player who wastes little to no energy while Durant, wet behind the ears, learns the nuances of his craft the hard way—by repeatedly returning (and succumbing) to his trusty length with mixed results. Nowitzki got the ball in his spots on the floor, and 40 points resulted; Durant was forced to catch the ball in spots foreign to his strengths, and 9 turnovers tarnished a 29-point, 15-rebound effort. Only time will provide Durant the lesson of creating space to score.

The Thunder’s final five minutes were played not to lose. Dallas played to win. James Harden fouled out with just over four minutes remaining and that seemed to change the dynamic. Predictable possessions followed, ones that developed slowly and were anticipated by Dallas. The Mavs, similarly, were also predictable yet much more poised and calculated: Get the ball to Dirk and please remove yourself from the premises. He delivered as always, his stroke and shot-making dragged them back.

By the time overtime began the Thunder had nothing left to give, momentum long gone, the series slipping, the crowd’s anxiety hardly hidden. Jason Kidd (17 points) settled matters with a long three and by stripping Durant. Losing a game in this fashion is heartbreaking, gut-wrenching, and whatever word best articulates having your soul taken from you.

It feels like the series is over, which is a shame. We went from having two more games promised to us to now having the Thunder lining on death row, going back to the road to find life with Dallas ready to finish.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm….I think Kevin Durant should never, ever try to compare his manliness to anyone else’s for the rest of his career. Between his 4th grade backpack and his tear filled post game conference, he put the fake into “fake tough guy”.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I didn’t see the game… WDRWD (What Did Russell Westbrook Do)? Why do I feel like he’s responsible for this L?

  • http://www.lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    Dirk is everyone’s homeboy now. This Finals rematch will be drastically different than 2006.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think it’s safe to say KD blew a play that could have sealed it for the Thunder, BC.

  • http://www.lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    Its safe to say The Matrix choose the red pill and resurrected his defensive career in the process.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Bryan, shot about 32% from the floor and failed to start any resemblance of offense in the end of the 4th and OT. Would anybody else love to see Dallas win it all so that Dirk, Kidd, and even Peja can finally get a ring?

  • Sparker

    didn’t stay for the end of the game, but man i saw a lot of easy baskets being traded in the second quarter. it just did not look like playoff basketball. seems like dallas is going to win, but they’re in for a major shock when they run into miami or chicago’s defence. it’ll be interesting to see how good they really are, because right now, you can’t really tell.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Looking at the stats though, RW took 22 shots, same as KD. And he had 6 TO’s. From all the accounts I’ve read, KD came out cooking and then they stopped going to him. That’s on the PG, IMO.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    There are possessions where it almost looks like Russ takes sh*tty shots on purpose. I don’t know why….but it looks terrible within the flow of a playoff game.

  • A.

    @BC: I would more say that it’s on the coach. He had no problems benching Westbrook the other day, if he sees that Russ is going away from KD, he should have taken him out and put Maynor in. If he lets him stay in then he must be OK with it. And KD had 9 TO’s also, so I wouldn’t rush to put all the blame on Westbrook. The team as a whole doesn’t run their plays correctly, as they’re often seen just standing around waiting for KD or Russ to make sh*t happen.

  • Max

    sparker, they beat the lakers. its safe to say they’re pretty good.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    The problem was, BC, Durant was having a lot of trouble creating off the dribble (9 turnovers). Both of them played pretty bad games but Westbrook didn’t play the job of creator or distributor or even second scoring option well at all. Harden was the only reason the Thunder had a chance.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I know coaching plays a huge part, but when a PG has a player like Kevin Durant on his team and you see that he’s off to a good start, every PG should know to keep feeding the hot man. That’s common knowledge and PG 101. And to be fair, there’s no excuse for KD to have 9 TO’s (I saw that too).

  • Sparker

    max, i agree that they’re pretty good. i just wonder what level they’re capable of taking it to, because i think they’ll have to take it up a notch to beat the team that comes out of the east.

  • cuseburg

    People are still talkin bout how Russ needs to pass more to KD as the solution? To me it seems like that whole argument is partly why the Thunder’s offense sucked late in the game. They basically stop running offense half way through the 4th and start playing pure iso ball, with no movement, with KD and Russ. Dallas’ d is too good for that. Although both KD and Russ played crappy late, it would be idiotic to blame either of those two guys individually. The late game thunder offense is just retarded, don’t understand why they don’t just continue to run offense, cause they basically play 2 on 5 at the end of games like the other 3 guys aren’t supposed to do shit, and thats on coaching. And BC, after Durant’s hot start he started getting doubled and when he did get the ball he generally did something bad, but i guess that’s Westbrook’s fault according to a lot of people.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Umm, score in the title is wrong way around?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    durant fvcked up big, why did he take a shot 5 ft behind the 3 pt line with 3 seconds left??
    they were lucky they even got to OT, refs could have put up 1.2 on the clock instead of 0.7.
    congrats to the mavs, and darksaber. its pretty much a lock.

  • T-Money

    BC: seriously, KD was equally as bad. Van Gundy even said at one point that he wanted OKC to go to Russ on isolation to “guarantee a decent shot”. KD got pushed out by Matrix near the half court line and threw up a 35-footer with a full 2 seconds left on the clock. He panicked.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    And to steal one from The Philosopher’s playbook:
    ‘LONG LIVE DER KAISER!’

  • logues

    i almost hate to watch westbrook play at times. his game just seems so out of control. he takes really dumb shots and every time he gets on a fastbreak u know hes gonna try doin some usually unnecessary move that looks cool but instead he drives into 2 defenders dribbling as fast as he can out of control. hes a great player, but he needs to learn to play under control

  • T-Money

    And I’m not a Russ fan at all, scoring point guards are not my thing. It’s just really hard to build around them, unless you have a wing that can basically run the offense and create for others like Manu did for so many years in San Antonio. Maybe Harden could be that guy for OKC if they do start him next year (and if they don’t, Brooks should be fired). For real, Harden is a better point guard than Westrbook and both played off the ball in college – Russ is just shorter.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Didn’t see any tears but KD was utterly floored at the press conference.
    Truly felt sorry for the guy, he seems to be a down-to-earth millionaire baller superstar, if that even exists.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    Is it just me or does the coach from OKC not know how to run a play late in games? It always ends up being a terrible shot?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think the biggest story that will be touched in the NBA Finals is what happens if the Mavs don’t win the title and Jason Terry is stuck with a Larry O’Brien trophy on his body?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Man James Harden fouling out was key to that fourth quarter. He there best pick and roll player and playmaker. I blame this on Scotty Brooks. He waits to take a timeout once Dallas came down and scored five straight times. The momentum has already been shifted. KD defiantly panicked at the end of regulation, but Westbrook stopped being aggressive. It’s really a lose lose situation for Westbrook. He has to find that balance of being aggressive and still getting everybody involved. KD has to demand the ball more. Serge Iblocka played a great game. And Dirk is just unstoppable.

  • T-Money

    This also goes to show how being “nice and humble” to the media can save your a– when things go sour. Most starts are not afforded the luxury of not being under the gun if they give up a 15-point lead in the playoffs with 5 mins to go and throw up the worst possible shot to win the game.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    that play, i think it was tied at 105, where westbrook drove to the basket and threw up a brick was a big wtf moment as well. they definitely didn’t need that.
    right after that, kidd hits a 3.
    i’ve been a fan of russ but lately he’s been making some boneheaded decisions

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    ’06 da reeeeemix!
    Let’s do this, Heat.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    People like “nice and humble” superstar athletes. Durant is a likable person, but it’s also not a facade, he’s genuinely like that. Plus you can see that all he cares about is ball, so people respect that and that’ll get you the benefit of the doubt more often than not, especially from the people who have the power to shape public perception.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And if we do get a Mavs/Heat ’06 NBA Finals remix, guess who I’m rooting for?

  • RobbieJay

    i dont know how dirk makes those awkward looking jumpshots. i really dont

  • T-Money

    BC: honest question – seeing how Chicago is struggling to score, was it prudent to put Jo Noah off limits when Melo was available? Noah’s impact goes well beyong the box score but Asik and Gibson give a lot of those same qualities as far as rebouning/defense/hustle. Rose-Bogans-Melo-Booz-Asik is a more balance team.

  • Mike From Spain

    15 TO and 44 shots combined between KD and RW? 12 assists between both of them? I know full well that yall say stats are for p***ies, but what sort of assist to TO ratio is that? Why does the PG in the team chuck as many shots as a guy whose main role is to score, and leads the league in scoring? Please enlighten me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Guess who everyone outside of Miami will be rooting for? And it will just keep adding fuel. Keep hatin’!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    OKC needs 2 find a real coach! Until now I still can’t believe they lost that game. I’ve seen crazy games be4 but this one was just so surreal…
    And people should really leave Westbrook alone, I mean he makes mistakes but who doesn’t? This lost was due 2 very poor coaching in crunch time…

  • Omnixyience

    I’d much rather see Dirk, Kidd, and Marion
    win a ring than Lebron, Dwade and Bosh. HA HA HA HA

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I agree with keeping Jo off limits, still. Yes, scoring has been an issue in this series, and Melo would have remedied that. But all he does is score, nothing else. Moving Noah hurts you in the defense, rebounding, passing and hustle departments. You need those things just as much as scoring in basketball.
    Gibson is very solid, and Asik is good, albeit limited in a lot of areas at this stage in the game and I don’t know if those 2 equal 1 Noah. And I also don’t thing that adding Melo would’ve made the team more balanced because he has a lot of bad habits, one of which is a ball stopper and Chicago doesn’t really have that problem.
    I’m not a Melo fan even though I respect his game, so maybe I am a little biased, but I don’t think he would be the answer to Chicago’s problems. I think he would add to them, especially on defense. You already have one guy in Boozer who couldn’t guard a mannequin, and Rose isn’t the best defender either. Adding a 3rd guy who doesn’t play D doesn’t help anything.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Favorite Durant moment:
    I was covering basketball at Texas Tech and Durant was a freshman. Both teams are in their respective locker rooms and the crowd is nuts. Packed gym and I’m on the floor getting things together for the game.
    Durant walks out with one trainer and one ball. He is the only dude on the court. And he starts to shoot.
    Swish one, swish two, rattles in three and he’s moving all over the three-point line.
    The crowd is focused on Durant. Watching this 18 year-old rise up and just stick shot after shot.
    He’s at 10 in a row now and the crowd holds a collective gasp every time Durant flicks his wrist and touches the bottom of the net.
    We are at 16 in a row and the release is a bit off, Durant misses to the left, and then the crowd goes wild.
    I am speechless, astonished and thinking to myself, “They know he is about to torch this squad, right?”
    But these fans are so happy that the golden-child missed one. They forget about the other 16 shots and focus on that one miss.
    And then Durant looks up, he shakes his head back and forth, looks at the crowd, smiles at the taunting and then makes 10 more in a row.
    He then went off for 37 and 15. All smiles.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Miami against the world, right E?

  • http://www.egay.com eGirl

    well damn.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    How do you lose a game that you win on paper in everyway. Incredible job by Durk and Chandler. Front court is holding it down for Dallas. I do feel that Dallas can beat anyone when they are rolling so watchout whomever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It’s been that way for a few minutes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    aw, so miami already in the finals? smh

  • T-Money

    BC: Actually, that’s a very good point. Having 3 average to sub par defenders in the starting 5 would kinda mess up with the team’s identity. So, if not Melo, what’s the solution? A little tweak? (i.e. OJ Mayo or even JR Smith)

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Well, I like the fact that Miami has somehow started to identify more with being David and not Goliath. That makes things more interesting.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Scott Brooks’ inability to create offense, and the loss of Harden’s shooting were huge.
    It wasn’t Westbrook, it was strictly a coaching thing.
    Did you see the horrible shots they wre getting out of timeouts? Nah, I have said it all season, Brooks is not the answer for this team. Period.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It’s been that way all season….you just chose to look at it with shades on. Remember….the Heat aren’t a team…they’re a 2 & 1/2 man team with corpses making up the rest of the team. Remarkable, they’re fairing well against every “team” they’ve come up against. You can’t have it both ways. You will get called on it.

  • showtime

    Once again this is not all on westbrook… He almost had a triple double. 19, 8,8, and course 6 but some of them was hisfault some where not. It was scottie sub pattern. that really did them in.And Of course durant came out hot but then dallas being vet just adjusted.& OKC panic. Their noway in hell Kidd or Marion should be able hold Durant & cause turnovers on him in single coverage before the double them even comes.kid is a great scorer but can’t put the ball on the floor for sh!t.handles or weak sauce thats seperate melo & even Rudy Gay they can put the ball on the floor when need be. But him & Russ will only get better so it is what it is…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Westbrook made mistakes, but I’m telling y’all that is the most unimaginative offense this side of Atlanta. They run NOTHING but isos and pick and rolls. NOTHING.
    If you continue to ask Westbrook to just “create” something you are going to get what you get. And Durant, while amazing, has to be better at getting the ball in the sweet zone for his mid range game, and he has to stop starting plays out by the three point line even after he catches it closer to the hoop. He also has to become a better passer off the bounce. He needs to see the double before it comes.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Personally, I think OJ Mayo would be a perfect fit to play alongside Rose. He defends pretty well, he can create his own shot and you have to honor him as a shooter which stretches the defense, and he can take over ball-handling responsibilities and now you have an interchangeable 1-2 combo with him and Rose. That’s dangerous, IMO. But I don’t think Bulls management likes him, or at least the things that come along with having him as a member of your team.
    And the Bulls would never consider JR Smith. He’s a complete knucklehead and that team is enamored with high character guys. Courtney Lee might be the best option if they don’t go after OJ this summe which, again, I think they should.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    OJ mayo would work with the bulls, IMO.
    he’s more than capable of getting his own shot when needed and he doesn’t seem to be selfish.
    jr smith, though a great scorer, doesn’t seem like a good fit for the bulls. even someone like a courtney lee would help

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    bc read my mind, nevermind. haha

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    O.J. Mayo would be Bulls dream pick up.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The Bulls had a chance to make a play for him at the deadline, Allen, but they didn’t. Hopefully his Playoffs performance will have them rethink that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    hey did anyone hear mark jackson last night? “when Russell Westbrook learns how to play the point guard position he is going to be phenomenal” — which is why James Harden is so important, he is the best facilitator among the Thunder’s “1st string,” a less talented scoring version of Paul Pierce (IMO). — and Dirk is the best PF on earth, I can’t believe there was a debate between Him and Pau during December.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And I’m an OJ Mayo “Stan.” I admit that freely. But from a basketball standpoint as it relates to the Bulls, you’d get him for cheap, he’d understand that he’s not going to be the man, he’d be a legit 3rd option, keeping Boozer as 2nd, and allowing Joakim to get his the same way he’s been doing it, off hustle.
    The only person it hurts is Deng who’s been performing well as a 3rd option. He’d be the odd man out, which legitimately would suck for him, unless they traded him which at this point would be great as his value has never been higher, but seems unlikely considering how much the front office loves the guy.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    Oj mayo would be nice for the bulls…also i’m atarting to see why you guys say scott brooks is a bad coach..dude runs no plays..NONE smh. I really dont blame westbrook for this.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i’d argue that OJ could be the 2nd option instead of booz.
    when is deng’s contract up? it’d be a blow to the bulls if they lost him, i can’t think of another player that compliments the team better.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    In a perfect world, Boozer would be traded for a 4 that can post up, rebound and defend.
    And Deng would stay.
    And we’d get a better two-guard.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t think OJ Mayo is going to be available for as cheap as he was during the season. — ANd I don’t see who the Bulls would give up to get him at this point.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You don’t want Mayo as your second option, IMO. You’d still need to play inside-out, not the other way around. A legitimate perimeter player that the defense has to account for would make Boozer’s basketball life easier because it gives him more space to operate. Plus he’s a decent passer if he is doubled… When he’s actually not fumbling the ball, of course. However, none of these things will make him tougher, unfortunately.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    maybe they can trade booz and like…keith bogans for scola and lee.
    i have no idea what the contract situations are but i’d be happy with a scola

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Boozer’s contract is going to make it pretty damn difficult to get something remotely close to equal value. Unless they include Asik, and I know there is atleast (1) Bulls fan here who would be vehemently opposed to that. I bet Boozer sticks around to the last year of his contract. And Chicago ends up with Courtney Lee or some other less high profile 2 guard.

  • T-Money

    I think Deng is becoming slightly overrated. He’s a good all around player and a starter on a championship contender. However, he can’t create for himself or others and will never be an all-star or a 1st team all-defense. And you should never count on his offensive production. Deng can’t give you 20 points night in night out.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OJ Mayo isn’t a max player. Cheap for him would be in the $6-$8 million dollar per, range. He’s not going to command much more than that.

  • T-Money

    Chicago is starting to do what crippled Cleveland: overrate its own players and not taking risks in order to not upset chemistry. Rose is the star. No one is going to touch Boozer’s contact. Deng, Noah, Gibson, Asik are apparently untouchable for the front office and the fans. So how are you going to improve?!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Deng’s value is in his defensive ability and his consistency, plus, he doesn’t HURT a team by being out on the floor. That alone is valuable. How many teams have guys in their starting lineup that do that? Lots.
    Besides, I recall you singing the praises of Jared Jeffries before, if I’m not mistaken.
    You consider him overrated because of his offensive limitations and by the fact that he won’t be an All-Star or make an All-Defense team. That’s not only shortsighted, but underrating what it is that he does bring to the table, IMO.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    BC its not his contract amount that makes his value high — it’s his trade value, which considering his age, and lower market value ($ wise) his trade value is actually much higher. I think to get Mayo you would have to give up either Gibson or Asik. And I personally would not give up Gibson, Asik I would definitely consider, but only because of Noah.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    talking about OJ

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i don’t think deng is overrated to the point where we can’t see his inabilities. he’s just been crucial to the bulls success and has been for years.
    he’s not going to be your star player and he might not get 20 pts a game, but its usually a solid 17. and i bet he’s more than willing to be a fourth option on a team if oj mayo or some other 2 guard were to come over.
    and as far as improving, gibson and asik are doing just that by themselves.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m not overvaluing or overrating Deng, but to say he’s overrated is a stretch. Chicago will part ways with one of those guys, but only in the right situation. They parted ways with Kirk Hinrich and considering how much the front office loved him, that alone is proof that they will move guys, T-Money.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    ASIK IS UNTRADEABLE!!
    Nah, seriously, I would be open to moving either Gibson or Asik to improve the Bulls.
    But not both.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    yeah, talk about a beloved bulls player.
    …now that i think about it giving up kirk is looking stupid.
    we ended up clearing cap space for…boozer. omg.
    this was his devious plan, he knew bosh wouldn’t sign here so he agreed to take “less money” as a consolation prize.
    and we still had taj and asik.
    f*ckin genius mastermind…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @airs, I don’t think Deng would be cool being a 4th option. Especially not when you consider the money he’s being paid and when you look at the season he just had. No way he’ll be fine with dropping in the pecking order. I wouldn’t.
    @nbk, I think Chicago would part with Gibson to Memphis if it came down to it. They’re not going to be able to afford to keep him and Asik will come far cheaper. Plus he’d be going to the West, so they’d only have to see him 2x’s/year.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i dunno BC, he just seems like one of those dudes that’ll do anything for the better of the team. but you could be right.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    How much you think Gibson demands (assuming the CBA gets a little bit smaller) like 7-9 Million? & I think trading Asik before you have to compete for him in FA is best, because teams (like dallas & minnesota) just love to drastically overpay for 7 footers. But if Gibson would command more money then Asik on the open market like your suggesting then I agree with you.

  • T-Money

    Good point on Kirk. I don’t think that Deng is overrated because he’s not an all-star. I think he’s overrated because we’re talking about him like an all-star when he’s really a 4th option, nahmean? In this team, he has to be a solid 3rd and often 2nd option since Booz is not always on the floor in crunch time. That’s too much for him. / I don’t remember singing the praises of Jeffries but I do like his ability to literally defend all 5 positions.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Bryan, what kind of contract do you think Gibson will command as a FA?
    I can see him commanding something in the 7 or 8 mil range in year one.
    I think he could be kept if Deng or Boozer are traded for an expiring contract before then.
    Which I believe needs to happen anyways because otherwise they’re looking at somehow trying to pay Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah all $12 mil-plus in 2013-2014.

  • larrylegend

    Hell, this is a mavs-thunder post-up, and all you guys do is….i really, really hope…oh, and E, wade is a b1tch, in my eyes he lost all credit left in these playoffs.

  • larrylegend

    wade will never be the next jordan or something like that. that is not even necessary, make a name of yourself. that’s why i like dirk so much. now watching the game finally.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money: When you’re a 4th option, they don’t even run plays for you. Deng isn’t that kind of player. To think of him as a 4th option, in my mind, is disrespectful to his abilities. He’s a solid player. Not great, but very good and like I said, he doesn’t hurt your team. He’s a legit 3rd option; not a 1st or 2nd, but definitely not 4th.
    @Rigo: I think Taj could garner the same salary as OJ on the open market, between $6-$8, maybe $9 million, per. Chicago could keep him, but you’re right, they’d have to trade Luol or Booz and at this point, we’re stuck with Booz. The only person who’d take him off our hands at this point is Kahn. Nobody else would be foolish enough to do it.

  • T-Money

    airs: to be fair garpax would have looked hella stupid if they had not at least tried to get wade, james or bosh. they had no choice but to unload kirk. / not sure you have to go that high for gibson. he’s almost 26, what you see is what you get. you’re probably looking at 12 and 8 with starter’s minutes. i’m sure the bulls could keep him with 5-6 mil a year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Otis Smith might take Boozer. You would just have to take back Turkoglu, or Bass and Reddick (which wouldn’t be a bad thing imo) – but Orlando is definitely not out of the question. They traded for Gilbert Arenas after they traded overpaid Rashard Lewis, Brandon Bass, Vince Carter, Hedo Turkoglu. — Also speaking of JJ Reddick, how terrifying would Derrick Rose have been this year with both Reddick and Korver standing next to him?

  • T-Money

    The problem with OJ is that if I’m MEM’s GM, I don’t do a damn thing. You just let Rudy come back and see where you at. Conley-Allen-Gay-Randolph-Gasol with OJ/Arthur/Battier/Vasquez off the bench. Just make sure Sam Yound doesn’t ever play.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    What are the chances Chicago keeps both its first round draft picks?
    I think almost certainly at least one will be used in a trade.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    yeah, i wasn’t against the move when it happened.
    i understood it was to clear cap space to land one of the ‘big three’.
    but a season later, being stuck with booz and hindsight being 20/20, it kind of sucks.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    $5-$6 million? Nah, that’s way too low. That’s Mike Miller money. Taj is far more valuable (and productive) than that.
    And sure, he’s older than most 2nd year players are, but that shouldn’t be held against him in contract negotiations. You pay a guy that’s going to get you 12 and 8, I don’t care how old he is.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    nbk: A Rose/Redick backcourt isn’t scaring anybody. JJ Redick stopped making shots after he left Duke. Orlando was stupid to overpay him they way that they did. And taking back Hedo or JJ/Brandon Bass for Carlos Boozer would be just awful, IMO.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    boozer for areans!
    problem solved.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    okay i was joking.
    well…half joking. cuz ive always been a hibachi fan. who knows, maybe he’d fill the 2 decently.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Nbk: That’d be good for both teams. Jason Richardson and Turk for Boozer and a throw in?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    How come everybody is trying to dump Hedo on Chicago?! We don’t want him!! LOL

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Ball

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Taj Gibson will be 29 when his rookie contract expires.
    Damn.

  • mdshuai33

    Ah, now everyone sees what the Jazz fans have said of boozer in the playoffs: “where the hell is that guy? Didn’t he average a 20-10 all season? Why does he have eight points through four quarters?”

  • JTaylor21

    Of course people are going to place all the blame on Westbrook but what about the league’s top scorer? Is he ever going to get blamed for their losses or are people going to continue giving the guy a free pass because he’s so humble and walks around with a freaking bible?
    The man like he’s done countless times in his career, panicked in the clutch and threw up a terrible shot. I know of a couple of star players that would’ve been killed today by the media and fans alike if they put up the same kind of horrible showing KD put up but the man seems to be immune to any kind of criticism.
    It’s a shame really that some players and their performance aren’t being held up to the standard and level by the same media and fans that barrage us everyday with stories proclaiming their supposed greatness.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Haha neither do we BC

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Technically, we don’t know if KD is carrying a Bible in his backpack or not. I’m unwilling to speculate at this point.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Caboose: It seems that SOMEBODY (Otis Smith) in Orlando did, haha. I feel for you guys.

  • T-Money

    Not to go too hard on KD but we often say that athletes “choked” when they simply missed a shot – playing the resulg. But THAT was a choke job. Throwing up a 35-footer with more than 2 seconds left on the shot clock? Panic attack.

  • JTaylor21

    The media and fans time after time again seem to give free passes to the so-called humble guys after they have a bad game. They somehow find a way to blame the loss on someone else (ala Westbrook) even after KD throws up yet another 7-22 game with 9 TOs and fails to perform in the clutch. The days of fair and unbiased reporting have gone out of the window and all we are left it is a one-sided and biased media.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What was the play in that situation?
    He caught the ball five feet beyond the three point line.
    Scott Brooks ran an inbounds play where Westbrook was the only option to receive the ball!
    Come on. Durant has room to improve, but not when his coach is running the early version of the Spoelstra Offense with inferior players.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    *sigh*
    It’s hard out here for a pim…, i mean Dirk.
    (and by “here” i mean TPU, but oh if he plays a subpar game, the hate shall flow. Sad)

  • JTaylor21

    I’m sorry but that last second play falls strictly on KD’s shoulders. The guy had more than enough time to get a better shot but he panicked and chucked up a bad 35 foot shot that had no shot of going in. He’s done this numerous times before in the clutch, so at this point it’s becoming a disturbing pattern.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I think the Rockets wanted Asik for Lee but Chicago wouldn’t give him up. Imagine if the Bulls had Courtney Lee… Glad he’s still on the Rockets though.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Dirk Nowitzki is a f*cking baller. Double pump fadeaways FTW.

  • HAMMER

    How bout Gerald Wallace for Deng? In my opinion, its a win-win for both teams. I don’t know, it might b my biasness for both teams talking. But it seems intriguing

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    My initial comment was aimed at Westbrook, mostly out of sarcasm and the fact that I’m not a fan. But all things considered, OKC was up 15 points in the game and they let Dallas come back and they lost in OT. Yet the focus is on Kevin Durant’s play at the end of the game. That’s not what lost the game, I’m sure.
    I didn’t watch, but I saw that play. Yes, there was plenty of time for him to do something with it and that shot was indeed ill-advised, but to place the blame squarely on his shoulders for the loss is just unreasonable.

  • HAMMER

    As I was watching this game, I couldn’t help but having flashbacks of 2000 Blazers. Blazers of course had a 15 point lead heading n2 the fourth and lost it while the Thunder had their 15 point lead tooken from them n 5 mins. Stakes were higher for the Lakers back then cuz it was a game 7, not game 4. So as much as I hate 2 admit, Lakers comeback still is the greatest ever n the playoffs

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    They lost because they had three players on the court who weren’t offensive threats, one who is a loose cannon and the other who can still be bullied.
    And because Dirk is unstoppable and apparently Scott Brooks FORGOT that doubling Dirk in Game Two made a HUGE difference.
    Again, Scott Brooks people. He was an improvement over P.J., but I think he’s gone as far as he can go.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Also, it looked like Westbrook was supposed to screen Marion at the top, opening up a GW shot for KD. If that’s the case, then Westbrook is at fault because Marion met no resistance on the screen and was able to recover nicely on Durant.
    Now, that doesn’t excuse KD for not taking an extra dribble (or two) for a better shot had Westbrook actually set a decent screen, but if that was in fact the play call, then Westbrook effed it up.
    I could be wrong, but that’s what it looked like to me.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Harden fouling out really hurt the Thunder. A lot of times, Harden is their best spot-up shooter and their best playmaker as well. Sefolosha did a good job knocking down shots last night but you can’t rely on his offense. Also, OKC has to trust Ibaka more offensively–he can stick the 17 footer if you need him too and has a really good feel for everything. They have to reward their big men.

  • JTaylor21

    You didn’t watch the game yet you felt the need to place blame on Westbrook and refuse to place any blame on the supposed best player/team leader because you saw the “highlights” on Sports Center?
    Does that make any sense? I guess it does since you never place any blame on Mr. Humble Pie when his team loses. It’s eerily similar to the way the media covers certain players.
    (Birds of the same feather flock together)

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Actually, I didn’t see any highlights either, JTaylor. I just dropped in and left a comment. But we all know you’re a Westbrook “Stan” so I understand you defending him like this. In your eyes, he never does anything wrong and all of the blame should go to KD. Two-way street, see how that works?

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    I think the Mavs are just prolonging their season until Caron Butler is ready to come back.

  • JTaylor21

    Oh, come on son. When did I become a westbrook fan? Don’t get me wrong I enjoy watching dude play but it doesn’t mean that I’m a fan of his style of play. I’ve never been a fan of shoot-first PGs.
    The reason why I’m always on here defending the guy is because it seems like every single loss is blamed on him and the other star seems to be immune from criticism. People can sit there and pile on russ when OKC’s best player has many off-games like the one last night. KD still hasn’t shown the ability to consistently lift his teammates level of play or the ability to come up big in crunch time.
    Yes, westbrook deserves some of the blame but KD deserves a majority of the blame because of the high standard set by the media and fans.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    When you have a guy playing with an elite scorer in the NBA like Kevin Durant, he’s going to take the bulk of the criticism because he has the ball in his hands 90 percent of the time as the primary ballhandler. That only makes sense.
    His decision making is extremely questionable and has been all year long, and as Allen described him, he can be a loose cannon.
    Kevin Durant does have bad games, but saying he doesn’t lift his teammates level of play is crazy. Aren’t they in the WCF? Or did he not contribute to that and Westbrook is the main reason they’re here?
    Also, KD plays off the ball, so Westbrook has a responsibility to feed him. RW averaged 8apg in the regular season, in the Playoffs? 6apg. RW shot 44 percent from the field in the regular season, in the Playoffs? 39 percent. RW averaged 17fga during the regular season, in the Playoffs? 20fga. KD has taken 315 shots in the Playoffs, RW has taken 315, as the PG playing alongside a legitimate scoring threat! This isn’t that hard.
    People aren’t just piling on him for no reason, son. These are legitimate gripes.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    *KD has taken 325 shots in the Playoffs.

  • JTaylor21

    Okay, fair points but ummm what happened in the 4th qtr and OT when KD had the ball in his hands numerous times yet failed to get a good look vs a 38yr old JKidd and a past his prime Matrix.
    What’s the excuse for that or is it also Westbrook’s fault?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sorry went away for lunch so this will be obviously late but, BC – JJ Reddick is a career .394% 3pt shooter. Good for 48th all time, by no means is that “not hitting shots since he left duke” – This season he shot .397%. Him next to Korver with Rose and Rose could have put up 32 a game just off of spacing.

  • T-Money

    No matter what happened before he caught the ball. KD caught it with 3 seconds on the shot clock and decided that the best option was to rise up for a contested 35-footer. That’s a grade-A choke job, borderline inexcusable. I don’t want to defend Russ because he played terrible too but KD gotta catch heat too! / Also, if the discussion is really that Russ must not forget KD in crunch time. What kind of leader is he? Leaders demand the ball, they don’t give a choice, there’s no alternative. Kobe and Bron will run up with their arms extended to their pg if that’s what it takes for them to give up the rock. KD is content with waving for it on the other side of the court. What is that?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Russell Westbrook issue is not new, I don’t understand the need to have the same conversation day in and day out. The Thunder offense is better without RW and that is a fact, it’s indisputable. Now Kevin Durant should get more blame for last nights game then Westbrook, BUT the most blame should be laid onto Scott Brooks for being un-imaginative with his offense (they literally don’t run a creative play at all, they have no creative ways to get Durant looks, its pick and rolls, isolations, and occasional down screens. No multiple pick sets, no mis-direction, no multiple option sets where Durant is trusted to make the right decision to get open. Its just a ridiculous offense, Allen brought this to my attention during the Memphis series, and I have been paying heavy attention to it since, and it really doesn’t look much more sophisticated then the crap-shoot offense that was run in Cleveland from 06-09.

  • T-Money

    Also, I vividly remember that a lot of commenters were not willing to absolve Bron of any criticism for his team failing in Cleveland because leaders had to take the props and the heat. Does that not apply to KD? HIS team gave up a 15-point lead with 5 minutes to go. If we want to put him in that Kobe/Bron tier, the standard should be: “well, do something about it”. No ifs or buts.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @nbk: I take that back. I actually looked at Redick’s stats after I made that comment and his numbers are good. It’s just that every time I see him play, he never makes anything. But still, is he a starter in the NBA? I say no.
    @JTaylor: I admit that KD still has some improvements to make, and like I said, I didn’t see the game so I can’t comment on these plays you’re speaking of without having the proper context. But I can say that as a perimeter player like KD, who is really primarily a shooter, it’s all about rhythm. If KD isn’t in a good rhythm, then he’s not going to perform well. It’s up to the PG to get him into that groove.
    If you’re standing around watching your PG attack, attack, attack, it’s going to throw you off your game. Just because RW can take Kidd off the dribble every single time, doesn’t mean he has to do it every single time.

  • T-Money

    BC: it’s never up to anyone to get guys like Melo, Kobe, Wade, Bron going. They just go, they create their own rythmn. Again, if KD truly need someone to set him up, then he’s not in that tier.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ehh lol your probably right, for the money they would have been paying him it would have only made sense to start him, and Thibs would have imploded if JJ Reddick was part of his starting lineup. Well the defensive portion of Thibs would have imploded, which I believe is about 97% of his body.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, KD may be the best player on his team, but nobody has said he’s the best player in the game. It’s really not the same. Do I understand the criticism and does KD deserve blame? Absolutely. But placing it all on his shoulders and absolving RW of any blame when he’s the real problem here (along with Brooks, of course), I don’t agree with that.

  • JTaylor21

    B, good points but like T-Money just stated, KD needs to walk up to Westbrook and snatch the rock from him instead of standing at the 3pt line, waving like he’s in a parade or something.
    The guy is the best player and leader on the team, so it’s only fair that he receives the majority of blame when the team loses just like he always receives the majority of the praise and adulation when they win.

  • T-Money

    Oh, I want to make clear that I’m not absolving Russ or ANY criticism – he’s not a true pg and he forces a lot of stuff.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Melo, Kobe, Wade or Bron never played with a ball-dominant PG that called their own numbers, taking shots away from them. Also, those guys had the ball in their hands a lot, KD doesn’t. That makes a difference.

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    There was a Thunder Veteran or Ex-Thunder Veteran who said Russell Westbrook thinks he’s a better player then Kevin Durant. – I heard a quote where Durant said Westbrook was the leader of the Thunder because he is not “afraid of anybody or anything”. I also heard Sam Presti (the GM) feels similarly about the Thunder being more Westbrook’s team then Durant’s. (you can click my name to a link to how Westbrook supposedly feels) – If those things are true, it explains why Westbrook seems so much more confident in himself then he is in Durant. It doesn’t explain why Brooks doesn’t teach Westbrook how to properly run the offense (the offense that they do have), or why he just doesn’t let James Harden do it, but it is telling.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    off-topic, nbk you really think the Cavs should pick Kanter at number one?

  • JTaylor21

    KD had 0 freaking points in the last 5mins of the 4th and the OT period. That’s inexcusable and shameful for a guy that was praised as the best player/MVP in the off-season. He has been out-played by a 33-yr old Dirk who’s been guarded by Collison and Ibaka while the 6-10 KD’s struggling to get off his shot against a 6-4, 38 yr old PG and a past his prime 6-7 SF.
    There’s no excuse in the world for a guy with KD’s talent and skill-set to not show up in the biggest game of his career.

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    I don’t definitely think that, but I’m leaning that way. He seems to have the most potential, and I don’t see Irving or Williams being the best player on any kind of good team. But I more or less feel like if Cleveland wants to hit a homerun with the first pick they have to take a chance. But as you said on the other page, they will have a strong shot at him at #4. — I just think potential wise (and if he played college this year) Kanter is the best player in the draft. We have Irving and Williams as locks for 1 and 2 because of what? The NCAA is the least competitive and deep its been in decades, and those guys didn’t even dominate it like a normal lock for #1 & #2 would. (IMO ofcourse)

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    JTaylor do you not understand the concept of running an offense? Because neither does Scott Brooks and I bet he’s asking himself the same thing about Kevin Durant and the last 5 minutes… When you have a player who doesn’t score at his usual rate in isolation situations then you shouldn’t run isolations play after play, it’s insane. (But Isolations are the only plays that make it to the point of being run to Brooks’ credit, because Westbrook lacks the patience to let a play develop, he panics and runs head first into the lane. This also led to Durant setting up the offense from the inbounds on a few possessions, which has little to no chance of working on a consistent basis, against anybody)

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    0 points? How many shots did KD take in the last 5 minutes and OT? When did he take those shots? From the videos I’ve watched today, his body language reeked of being defeated, and that’s the ultimate no-no for a superstar. Then again, if you’re up 15 points and a team comes back and beats you, that’ll happen. He’ll learn.
    And as far as being outplayed by Dirk, or having difficulty against Kidd or Marion, using age as a factor isn’t fair. How many times have you hooped against older guys and they’ve outplayed you? KD is only 22. Age/experience counts for something.

  • T-Money

    BC: It’s kind of a circular argument but my point is that they would never tolerate getting iced at the end of games by a lesser player (albeit very good!). You just do whatever you have to do to get the rock. Can’t stand there waving.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Agree with everything Teddy-the-Bear has said today.
    Shout out @Darksaber.
    OKC had it. They beat themselves. The series is pretty much a wrap, and we cannot say enough about Dirk “Larry Bird Jr.” Nowitzki. An Historic stretch for the sure-fire 1st ballot Hall Of Famer.

  • JTaylor21

    I don’t understand the concept of running an offense huh? Well if that’s the case, neither does Rick Carlisle because I didn’t see Dal running any intricate sets. They ran the exact same basic plays OKC was running on the other end, PnR with the Guards (westbrook/kidd/terry) and SF/PF (KD/Dirk) the only difference being that Dirk made big plays down the stretch while KD chucked up brick after brick. Both teams run practically the same PnR sets all game long, the only difference being that Dirk’s one of the greatest clutch players of this era while KD’s well KD.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, I agree… KD has to be more assertive, especially with a player who is clearly going for his.
    And to be honest, for RW’s perspective, I get it. He knows he’s unstoppable off the dribble and he can get by anybody that’s in front of him, but it seems that last season he was making an attempt to be a facilitator and distributor, then on Team USA Coach K turned him loose as a scorer and he carried that with him into this season.
    Now it’s out of control.

  • ChristianBulleN

    You guys are underrating Keith Bogans. He isn’t that bad for this Chicago team, good defender, knockdown shooter from the corner.. I think Mayo commands the ball too much to fit well with Rose.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel of Stern

    @ChristianBulleN , I disagree, Rose is not a selfish player, he needs to take that many shots and have the ball in his hands all the time because he is the only person that can create his own shot. I think Derrick would welcome mayo with open arms.

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    You need me to explain Dallas’ offense to you? (it doesn’t have to be intricate dude, Dirk scores one on one on everyone, and it is intricate for everyone else) Its a 1-1-3 offensive set. PG on the top, PF at the top of the key, SG and SF at either baseline, and the Center somewhere in the vicinity of the basket. The PG gets atleast 1 pick from Dirk, then reads the play, he can either pass the ball to dirk (1st option) go back to Dirk for another pick, hit a cutter from the wing if there is too much help defense, or take the ball himself. If Jason Terry is in the game they extend his position in the corner up a few fee so he is playing a psuedo wing/corner. He can essentially trade places with the PG and take over his responsibilities with the PG cutting off the pass either via a cut or from a back-screen. This offense is intricate because it takes a big away from the basket (dirk’s man) takes defense away from the screen-ee (Dirk’s man can’t help on the PG or Jason Terry’s man). That is Dallas’ primary play, I can explain a few of their other sets if you need me too. The THunder offense has no similar “go-to play” that can give them a bucket when they are out of rhythm, they resort to either Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook in an isolation situation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel of Stern

    Also with Derrick playing off the ball a little bit, he would be able to get a lot more easy looks instead of having to beat what seems like every defender on the floor just to get a decent shot.

  • Bruno

    so now KD is well KD and Dirk is one of the greatest clutch players?? how old is Kevin Durant and do you remember Dirk’s play at 22 years old?
    I’m not saying Durant hasnt any fault in yesterday OKC loss but it seems people are overeacting and this was the guy everybody was putting as the best player for this year after his play with USA

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel of Stern

    Also, with Mayo, Rose would be able to play off the Ball a little bit. This way he wouldn’t have to beat what seems like every defender on the floor just to get a descent shot. (if this posts twice, its cause my first one wouldn’t show)

  • JTaylor21

    If you think that’s “intricate” then you’re watching the wrong league. You do know that the WNBA season starts soon, right?

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    Funny taylor, I thought maybe for once you’d be able to have an actual conversation. But once you said Dallas and OKC basically run the same thing I knew this would go down hill fast. You literally come on here day after day, pick a fight, then prove that you know almost nothing about the subject your arguing over. Your defending Russell Westbrook after it has been proven that he is the issue with OKC’s offense again? And you haven’t said a single thing to support your stance or back-up how you feel. Your hear to blame things on Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose, its what you do. You also act like you know what your talking about when really you have no idea. And no i have no idea about the WNBA but i’m happy your all caught up.

  • JTaylor21

    Ok, so now OKC doesn’t have a go-to guy that can get them buckets! really? So, ummm having the 2-time scoring leader doesn’t count.
    Drunken master is that you?

  • T-Money

    Yeah.. I think that the root of the problem is that Russ is not convinced that KD is a better option than him at the end of games… and KD is not assertive enough to tell him otherwise. They’re not veterans like Bron and Wade who have had their fair share of “being the man” moment so I don’t see this ending well.

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    And god only knows what an “intricate” offense is to you. Somehow are you under the impression that an NBA shotclock is more then 24 seconds? Do you think “intricate” is a guy running from one baseline to the other and through pick after pick then back again until he gets open? Or are you saying the only intricate offense is the Princeton offense and Triangle offenses? or do you not know what those are? The most complex offense is often the simplest, its the flex offense, do you know what that is? Do you know who utilizes it?

  • T-Money

    If CP3 indicates quite clearly to NO that he’s not going to sign the extension isn’t Russell + 1 big for CP3 an ideal trade for both teams?

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    You can’t even read, do you know the difference between a “go-to guy” and a “go-to play?” smh

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    T-Money I have been saying that OKC and NOH should examine that trade since the end of the season. I think the proximity between teams would prevent it from happening though.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Ha, what’s good Philo?

  • JTaylor21

    As long as you continue to make suspect and foolish assertions, I will be here to point them out. You may think I don’t know what I’m talking about but the way you walk around here like your sh*t don’t stink, you would think that you’re Hubie Brown’s mentor or Tex Winters. If you knew as much about the game as you think, the lakers would have already hired you to replace PJax instead you spend all day long arguing with regular folks.
    Dr. Jack Ramsay, is that you?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dallas runs a middle pick and roll with Dirk with the only purpose being to get Dirk the ball in a post up at the free throw line.
    Dirk, at about 270, is a lot harder to dislodge than Durant, so essentially the make the defense move, then get Dirk the ball.
    The Thunder didn’t even do that. They just isoed Durant on the wing, which makes it much easier to send a double, and makes the pass out of the double more difficult. Remember how Miami destroyed Dallas in 2006 and Detroit once they stopped running wing pick and rolls and went to middle pick and rolls because it makes it easier to see the double and make the correct pass.
    Now, Dallas isn’t that imaginative on offense and that could hurt them against an elite defensive team, which OKC is not. Dallas, however, is an elite defensive team when they lock in and the other team’s offense is predictable.
    Anyway, I say all that to say Durant had some serious issues with establishing and keeping positions. He had problems with passing out of the double team, and that last second shot was putrid. But he also did a lot of good.
    Westbrook still has the same issues with tempo and running a team, but he did a lot good.
    WHAT DID SCOTT BROOKS DO WELL?
    I rest my case.

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    Point one of them out then. You literally have never pointed out anything “foolish” that i’ve ever said. You make stuff up like the go to scorer comment. Or come to your own conclusion that has no foundation anywhere but your own imagination like your awkward WNBA comment. Actually when your asked questions you just completely aviod them and move onto insults, like just a minute ago, and before that, and before that, and yesterday when I pointed it out. And the Friday before that. and so on

  • JTaylor21

    “The hardest tumble a man can make is to fall over his own bluff”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Somebody suggested to me Westbrook plus Collison for CP3.
    I said the Hornets have to get more than just Collison as a throw in, I just don’t know what. Maybe Cook too?

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    and I am open to being wrong/corrected, it happened in this comment section. You admitting your wrong? haha i’ve never seen that happen but I do see you insult someone at the end of almost all your comments directed at a person you don’t agree with, which is fun i guess

  • JTaylor21

    “I don’t mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy”

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    Allen – I think Westbrook + Collison + Maynor would do it. Westbrook is 4 years younger then Chris Paul, just got all nba 2nd team ahead of Paul, and has never had a major injury, like Paul.

  • http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/29498602?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 nbk

    Its actually OKC who I think you would have trouble pulling the trigger. Especially with how much Sam Presti adores RW

  • JTaylor21

    “If I’m not stupid, I have no business being ignorant.”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you were the Hornets would you prefer Maynor or Cook?
    Maynor is the more complete player, but Cook has a skill the hornets need. They already have Jarrett Jack as the back up point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    hahahaha good one

  • JTaylor21

    “Honesty pays, but it don’t seem to pay enough to suit some people”

  • JTaylor21

    Good one, NBK. I know your style. Keep on using my name if it makes you feel like a real man.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’d still take Maynor. Jarret Jack is tradeable, and if your getting rid of Chris Paul then David West is likely on his way out too isn’t he?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Uhm what?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Quick non-SLAM non-basketball related question:
    If you could get free, 100% paid tuition in another state to get your college degree, but had to leave your wife and kids for about two years to do it, would you?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Nope

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    College completely paid for. Any public university of your choice?

  • JTaylor21

    Rigo, does it come with the same “helper” DRose got?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    just tuition, not room and board.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Why just 2 years? And why can’t you take them with you? — I wouldn’t be able to do it, but it sounds like a great opportunity and if you know whatever you choose to focus on will improve your future and your comfortable with it along with your wife then i think you should make your own decision.

  • JTaylor21

    Words of advice, “lying to others might be wrong, but lying to yourself is just a tragedy”

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Just tuition.
    Room and board, as well as textbooks aren’t paid for.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Basically, the state of Illinois has a veterans grant that will pay my tuition. On top of that, I can also get the Montgomery GI Bill and pocket that.
    It’s about $1,300 a month.
    So basically, I’d be getting paid to go to school.
    I did that for two years and then moved up here.
    But chances to advance without a degree are slim, so I want to go back for my last two years and get my Bachelors.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I’ve gotten great advice on this elsewhere, but thought it wouldn’t hurt to ask here as well.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If you can pay for everything and both you and your wife are comfortable with the decision. And you know you’ll be able to benefit from the schooling then you should do it. But only if your family is 100% (or as close to it as you feel is necessary) comfortable with the decision

  • HAMMER

    Consult ur wife Rigo. Personally, 4 me, it would b hard 2 up and leave them. But if its 4 the better for la familia and having a secure future for your family, and ur family agrees w/ur decision 2 leave, then yes, do it. Opportinitys 2 better u and ur family don’t come often. But, n the end, its ur decision man. Best of luck

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    The hard part is leaving the kids, of course. And my wife.
    I’m trying to convince my wife we should go as a family.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Anyways, thanks y’all.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Looks like the COY curse will continue…
    Avery Johnson, won in 05-06, fired in 07
    Sam Mitchell, won in 06-07, fired in 08
    Byron Scott, won in 07-08, fired in 09
    Mike Brown, won in 08-09, fired in 10
    Scotty Brooks, won in 09-10, fired in 11?
    Look out Thibs.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    And if I were you Rigo, I’d do everything to convince the family but if she says no, it’s not worth it. But I’m just a college kid so what do I know?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Thanks, Caboose.
    I’m trying to get (back) to college kid status too!
    Also, look out Brooks yes, but I don’t see Thibs getting fired. No way.
    This Bulls team wasn’t expected to have the number one overall seed and 62 wins this season.
    They’re way ahead of schedule.
    Now, if they tinker with the roster, add some more pieces, win as much again in the regular season next year, and then fail to make it back to the ECF.
    Or if the players start to tune him and his message out.
    Then yeah, I could see him getting the axe.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Best of luck Rigo. And I hope Tom stays, he seems like a nice guy, but I feel like people said the exact same things about Scotty last year…

  • T-Money

    Rigo: I’d do it. It’s nothing, man, and you’re actually doing it for your famility too. Maybe because I’m used to my parents’ careers (university profs) having them move from time to time when I was younger to take a visiting prof job for a year and whatnot. You’ll talk to them every day, see them for 2-3 months in the summer, be there for Thanksgiving, Xmas and Easter and BAM! you’re already back home.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    T-Money – thanks, man. That’s definitely the flip side of it.
    The bigger picture is this would also benefit my family and not just me in the long wrong.
    We’ve talked about the kids coming down in the summer for about 2-3 months, and me coming up for Christmas, and it’d just be six months or so in between visits so that isn’t too bad.
    Plus with things like Skype and video chat nowadays, it’s the next best thing to actually being there.
    I’m really attached to my kids so just the thought of not being with them for so long sucks.
    But the time would fly and we’d all be better off for it in the end.
    I’m going to sit down with my wife and really discuss this. If she’s open to looking for a job and a place down there and sticking with me while I earn my degree, that would be the best scenario.
    But if she chooses not to leave because her career and family are here, I’ll have to truly weigh my options – continue here at a standstill or give myself a chance to provide a better life for them, in a field I’d be much more happy in.

  • Ronald

    Eh. Westbrook played pretty well. He had more assists than the stats showed. And, he only had one or two bad descisions this game. Which is like 10th of his usual mistakes. Durant wasn’t left out of the offense. If you actually watched the game then you would’ve known that Dallas doubled KD, and doubled hard. (That last show however was stupid and he did choke). But can we finally call Dirk clutch?

  • Ronald

    Oh, @NBK, you do have to cut JTaylor21 some slack. Dude has never played basketball in his life. Watching the NBA makes him an expert in the intricacies of X’s and O’s. I do disagree however that OKC doesn’t have go-to-plays. They do, but they don’t execute them half as well. Ibaka isn’t very good at off-ball screens and OKC likes to initiate plays using non-play makers i.e Sefalosha and Ibaka.

  • giogolo

    reading some of allenps xchange..
    for hornets to agree to sign and trade to OKc..i would have to be 3 players..atleast plus 2 draft picks 1st round. that is the least they could do for a guy like CP3.

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