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Tuesday, May 10th, 2011 at 9:08 am  |  236 responses

Post Up: My Name Is Trouble

Triple-OT thrillers, and the Cs near the end.

Miami 98, Boston 90 (OT)

The Celtics, could’ve, should’ve but ultimately didn’t. Misfires, turnovers, bad screens, and bad bounces doomed Boston as they fell to Miami 98-90 in overtime. In a possible changing of the guard, Miami’s big three combined for 83 points, led by 35 points and 14 boards from LeBron James. Boston’s senior trio combined for 51 points but couldn’t make enough big plays down the stretch. With the victory, Miami moves one win away from the conference finals and the end of an era of Boston basketball could be 48 minutes away.

Boston had more than enough chances to win and tie the series up, none more notable than the last play of regulation. After an unforced turnover from LeBron gave Boston possession, but the Celtics couldn’t run the play and Pierce is forced into a tough jumper that misses. The poor execution highlighted a fourth quarter where Boston simply couldn’t convert on several point blank opportunities to take command of the game.

“It’s frustrating because we had so many opportunities,” Doc said afterwards. “The fast breaks, the missed layups, those things are disappointing.”

“I feel like tonight we beat ourselves,” Pierce added.

Meanwhile in another corner of the bowels of the TD Garden, LeBron and Wade sat satisfied in a corner of the visiting locker room. The two iced down various limbs with a mix of muted celebration and relief. LeBron exercised some demons in leading Miami to the victory. And while he was almost the goat with a late unforced turnover, he instead reminded everyone why he’s mentioned as one of the G.O.A.T.s. Late in the fourth, he answered a corner three by Ray Allen with one of his own to knot the game at 84 with two minutes left. He then converted the go ahead bucket the next time down. Then in the extra period, James hit a tough fade away jumper, knocking Boston on their heels and pretty much sealing their fate right there.

“We needed every bit of his talent and competitive will tonight,” Coach Spolestra said of James.

Looking ahead, Miami knows they stole one on Monday night and will likely have their work cut out for them in Game 5. “Wednesday will be our greatest challenge,” Spolestra said, “We need to beat the Boston Celtics at their best.”

“In our minds there’s a lot of basketball to be played,” Rivers said. “If we’re not up for that we’ll lose.” — Jonathan Evans / @jre18

Thunder 133, Grizzlies 123 (3OT)

As much as I’d like to focus on the tenacity of the Grizzlies in taking this game to triple overtime when, really, they had no business surviving regulation, it would be a disservice to Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant to lead with anything else.

The two performed about as well as a combo can Monday, combining for 75 points, 18 rebounds and 29 attempted free throws in a total of 108 minutes of play.

The Grizzlies were relentless, but Westbrook and Durant were even more so — a force of nature. They simply refused to give up. They were on the court longer than most feature length films.

Yes, Westbrook missed two potential game-winners. And, yes, he continued to stall the Thunder’s offense at times. But his shooting performance improved significantly (15-33 from the field), and, let’s face it, he was the catalyst for the Thunder’s win.

Without his energy in the third overtime, I don’t think Oklahoma City wins this one.

Durant was good too. He started out slow (just 10 points in the first half) but broke out of his Tony Allen-induced slump and caught on fire late in the game. His range was the perfect complement to Westbrook’s slashing cuts to the basket.

On the other side of the court, Marc Gasol was as brilliant as always. He put up a 26-21 (his third double-double of the series) and shot 11-for-20 from the field. OKC crowded him, but he was still able to get his shot off at will. He’s like Denzel. He’s unstoppable.

Meanwhile, Zach Randolph was uncharacteristically bad from the floor (9-25) but still managed to score 34 points and grab 16 boards.

The real story of the night for the Grizzlies was their clutch shooting, though.

Mike Conley, OJ Mayo and Greivis Vasquez all hit big threes en route to two epic, brink-of-death comeback bids (one at the end of regulation, the other at the end of overtime).

The heroics on display Monday at FedEx Forum will not soon be forgotten.

In my opinion, this was the best game of the Playoffs so far. -- Patrick Crawley / @BasketballFiend

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  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    BOSH TOOK HIS PAD OUT

  • Brahsef

    Great games. NBA playoffs have been been so quality so far.

  • Myung

    I feel bad for those Memphis fans. I think the game ended around 12:30 AM for them, only to go home with the loss.

  • JTaylor21

    Westbrook was chucking last night but him not KD was actually the one that carried them in OTs. It seemed like KD shied away from the ball until the game was in hand by the end of the 3rd overtime.
    It’s still inexcusable for PGs to be taking 30+ shots but I guess that’s the day and age we’re in.

  • http://www.scout.com zulu

    This is almost totally unrelated but did anyone follow hs bball when OJ Mayo, Bill Walker, Derrick Rose, Eric Gordan, and Kevin Love were in hs? Crazy that Wallker and Mayo had been hyped since before they were even hs freshmen. Now look at those guys in the leauge today.

  • Mvp23100

    Good late win for Miami Glad to see Haslem back

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    The Thunder and Grizz both looked ugly down the stretch. When each OT came close to ending, their offensive execution and just overall patience withered. Honestly, I love both teams but Dallas is gonna murder the young cats next round.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    This is like prolonging the inevitable torture: how the hell can the League have a lockout next season after giving us fantastic playoffs like these?

  • Myung

    I don’t think we’re in a day and age when PG’s are shooting 30+. We’re really only talking about 2 PG’s, aren’t we? On a given night, a PG might shoot a lot (maybe Paul, Nash, Deron), but for the most part, aren’t we just talking about Rose and Westbrook? I think it’s been said on here before, but the difference between Rose and Westbrook is that Rose actually HAS to fire away to give the Bulls a chance a win. Westbrook really shouldn’t be shooting that much when he has essentially the single deadliest offensive weapon in the NBA as his teammate. I think Westbrook is a terrific talent (and it’s hard to knock a guy who scored 40), but he is definitely shooting too much. Unless they let Maynor run the show and move Russ to SG (which would give them a tiny backcourt), home boy needs to cut down his FGA’s by about 40%.

  • eyal

    much respect for Boston after the loss yesterday. Not to take too much away from the heat win, but they are a significantly older team, riddled with injuries and they STILL hung in there the whole game (and missed a potential game winner).

  • http://Thundercats.com ThunderCats

    As Flava flav would say….. Yea Boi!!!!!! Thunder Heat baby!!

  • J-MAC

    Anybody think Westbrook plays “HERO” basketball?

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    good way of putting it, J-MAC.

  • Morgan

    Cosign Caboose, especially if it goes to game 7

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    @Zulu: Great call. We LOVED that class. Probably the best high school class of the decade. It was so good that our All-American team had to have six kids instead of the usual five. They were: Michael Beasley, Eric Gordon, Kevin Love, OJ Mayo, Derrick Rose and Kyle Singler. Singler’s growth has slowed but he still may have a decent pro career in front of them. Interestingly, this year’s HS class is pretty awesome, too, and again, forced us to go six-deep on our first team…which will be unveiled here in a few days.

  • Riggs

    PAUL PIERCE IS AN IDIOT. seriously, how do you not pass it to a teammate in that condition and you take a stupid as* shot? what goes on in his head?

  • http://Thundercats.com ThunderCats

    Westbrook definitely does, and its annoying. Guys takes some horrible shots. He doesn’t even look for Durant half the time.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    And Lebron again took like 85 steps on clutch plays.

  • Sparker

    lebron was awesome, but boston would have won had kg chucked up a few less bricks… bosh has a mouth like a basking shark, but i was happy that, in spite of the strained look on his face, he sweated it out and put in a decent performance… i think boston is as sorry about not having nate as not having perk against this particular team…. i went to bed thinking that the grizz might well win it all because they are the only team playing TEAM basketball, but now who the hell knows?

  • J-MAC

    Great games last night. Conley took a terrible three when they were tied right before he fouled out. Didnt know what he was thinking…must of got caught up in the moment.

  • feez22

    dallas=jumpshooting team. the grizz can exploit that. Heavily. if the thunder face the mavs… the thunder have the defensive bigs to go against dirk. probably the best defensive bigs for the job. Not to mention there is no one on the thunder that can guard durant… marion? PEJA? im sorry… mavs aint that great. the lakers just sucked these playoffs. if not for chris paul losing his nuts in game 6 the hornets take the lakers to 7… & new orleans was looked to be swept.

  • http://slamonline.com Ghost

    I know Memphis lost yesterday but I am so damn impressed by them.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i wonder what lionel hollins was thinking when he subbed OJ back in the game only to foul out after mike conley JUST fouled out. he hit some big buckets.
    KD was clearly upset about not getting the ball, russ was ridiculous last night, but KD showed why he should have the ball down the stretch.
    and dick stockton is getting too old.

  • Fat Lever

    Did you guys see, at the end of regulation, when KD said something like “Give me the ball” to Mo Cheeks? Hero basketball is a good way of putting it. I didn’t think Westbrook’s play was all that detrimental at first. I’m starting to re-consider that now. I haven’t watched too much Thunder bball, so take it with a grain of salt, but, to me, when Westbrook drives, 99% of the time, he’s going in with the intention to shoot. Maybe Cook needs to be on the floor more to space things out on his drives, but he could be so much more efficient if he let the D’s reaction to his drives determine his.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    russ was ridiculous meaning bad, not good.

  • Myung

    Stock falling: Josh Smith, Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Russell Westbrook. Stock rising: ZBo, Marc Gasol, Jeff Teague, Jason Terry.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jeff Teague’s stock may be higher than Apple stock if the Hawks can somehow find a way to win Game 5, Myung.

  • Riggs

    @pablasso: thank you, glad i wasnt the only one who saw he switched pivot feet. But its whatever, the refs hardly call it on him.

  • Myung

    Forgot add Boozer to stock falling. And Hinrich.

  • dsleepy

    looks dallas vs. miami the re-match coming in a few weeks.

  • Myung

    …and Gilbert Arenas and Stan Van Gundy.

  • vtrobot

    Myung, please add Harden to the “rising” list.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The “Had Their Cherry Popped” list: Chris Bosh.

  • barnabusb

    It’s kind of sad how the league seems to want nothing to do with Memphis and their playoff success. There’s no hype for them at all, but those guys are putting in the work and getting the job done. The don’t play athletic ball, but they seem to out work and out smart their opponents. And sometimes even out luck them with some crazy ass clutch shots. They’re the best show on TV right now, IMO.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Tough win by the Heat last night ….. the Celtics not making past the second round might ease the pain of me and my fellow Laker fans…….

  • J-MAC

    Its obviously a changing of the gaurd in the NBA right now. More then I can remember over the last decade. Basketball is a young mans game and these playoffs are showing that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Also….all props to Rondo….I’ve loved that cat since 2008 and wish and still wish that someday he could shake free and be a member of the Heat. Dude is a competitor to the highest degree. Anyone that downtalks that cat should be excused from talking ball anywhere.

  • RobbieJay

    durant travled on the top 10 plays from last night on nba.com….im pissed lol

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    I told you guys kg had a fluke game he hasn’t scored 28 in 2years
    I was wondering when the heat were gonna make rondo use that left hand smh

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    He still can’t shoot jumpers or free throws and drives to pass instead of driving to score first.
    Conley’s bad three was a killer. He almost always makes the smart play so it was shocking to see him take that horrible shot. Zbo and Gasol were so tired late in the game and without Mayo or Conley to score the Grizzlies were toast.
    Man, Tony Allen has the most random finger roll in the league. Sometimes it looks like he just throws the ball toward the hoop and prays.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Allen, he can shoot jumpers and free throws…he just isn’t at an elite level doing that. But I’d sure as sh*t take him over a guy like Steve Nash if I needed to win one game. He’s got intangibles covered in spades.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Depends on the game.
    Man, saying he isn’t elite is an understatement. Dude shot a worse percentage than Dwight Howard at the line this past year. DWIGHT HOWARD!
    That’s putrid.
    He can ball, but I’m not as high on him as most people. I don’t like point guards who can’t and won’t shoot.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    It’s nice to compare Rondo to a 37 year old point guard.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    That must be a compliment on how good Nash still is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ah…..the old dilemma….a point guard that likes to pass or a point guard that shoots every fuc*ing ball in sight. You do know that there was a time your boy AI was expected to be a point guard, right? I’m talking about when he first hit the court in Georgetown and even what Larry Brown had in mind for him. He was and always will be known as the smallest shooting guard in NBA history with incredible scoring skills. I can see where you get your logic from but yes, it would depend on the game and the matchup. But If I have other strong scorers, I don’t need 25+ shots a game from my point guard….I’d like to see that effort directed at facilitating.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Rondo runs an offense as well as Nash + he plays D…Nash can just score in more ways than Rondo, that’s really all he has on him.

  • J-MAC

    Rondo is a pg in the purest form.

  • smoove

    @ RIggs, your an idiot, if it wasnt for paul pierce, we wouldnt even went into overtime…garnett was 1-10 , ray was inconsistent, rondo did as best as he can with one arm, paul was the ONLY aggressive celtic last night..what game did you watch

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Here, for those thinking I’m picking on old guys like Nash: I’d take Rondo over Deron. Suckle at my teets, ho’s! :)

  • robb

    @Royal lol I was having the same thought yesterday. It’s a sad consolation prize but I’ll take it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just a reminder for those who pontificated that the Lebron/Wade pairing could “NEVER” work, from the Sun Sentinel:To wit, through the Heat’s first nine playoff games:

    “LeBron has scored 228 points. And so has Wade, each averaging 25.3 points.

    LeBron has 45 assists. So does Wade.

    Wade has 13 steals. LeBron has 12.

    Wade has 13 blocked shots. LeBron has 12.

    LeBron has made 78 field goals. Wade has made 77.

    LeBron has attempted 169 shots. Wade has attempted 167.

    LeBron has attempted 83 free throws. Wade has attempted 80.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That’s f*cking uncanny.

  • Joon

    *sighs*…don’t know what to say about Westbrook…

  • http://bulls.com airs

    thanks for that…very disturbing visual eboy. haha.
    i still believe rondo is a product of playing with 3 HOFs. not trying to take too much away from him, dude can ball, but he can’t hit a wide open 15 ft jumper consistently. give me deron over rondo all day.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    25 shots is way too much. AI was never a point. He just played that position.
    Rondo can’t shoot. He regularly passes up shots to pass. He is a great passer and a good defender, but the fact that he actively avoids shooting is problematic. Then he also avoids driving to avoid getting fouled so he won’t have to shoot free throws.
    I would still prefer Westbrook, Rose, Deron, Paul and maybe Nash over Rondo.
    Yes, Nash is putrid on defense, but he is a danger at all times on offense and doesn’t need a bunch of shots to get points. The only problem is that his effectiveness decreases if you slow the tempo. It’s tough.
    But I would take those other four in a heartbeat over Rondo. No debate.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And, to be clear, when he’s clicking, Rondo is a beast for sure. But dammit dude can’t shoot! I guess I find that inability more offensive than not playing defense, although it’s close.

  • bashmo

    You would take Rondo over Deron Williams? Why?

  • T-Money

    Russ shoots too much, we can all agree on that, but some of the blame has to go on KD for that. 1- You’re the best player on your team. DEMAND the ball. Bring it up in crunch time if you need to but Westbrook is taking the shots you’re LETTING him take. Take ownership. 2- Learn a freaking L or V cut! Putting his backside on the defender at the 3-point line and calling for the ball doesn’t work for KD because he’s simply too light. Guys are muscling him up till half court.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    What do people want these days? Rose is leading himself and his team to major succes (62 wins, MVP, EC semifinals) and Russ is part of the deadly 1-2 punch in OKC. Do you want to win, or do you want people to play within boxes? Seriously, so f*cking pathetic, I hope Rose and Russ can meet in the NBA Finals as a big middlefinger to all the whiny b*tches out there. Not only do they have succes, they are both incredibly fun to watch and let’s not forget, it’s still entertainment.

  • T-Money

    And let’s not act like Russ didn’t carry OKC from time to time last night. Every single one of his fearless drives were needed. Eventually, I could see Harden running the offense from he 2-guard spot and Westbrook attacking from the 1 (like Manu and TP). // I’d take all of these point guards over Rondo. You know why? Because coaches never consider taking them out at the end of games. Rondo becomes a liability the deeper you get in the playoffs. It’s a pattern.

  • showtime

    Yea westbrook does play hero ball. but that what wins them the game & sometimes what loses them the game.but i been watchin OKc all season that just the way they play. When durant was hurt or wasn’t a good % like he did last year ,who won them those games Russ…Durant is elite but he does want that kind of attention( he quite guy) U can tell. If he was that corcern for shots,hell will call for the ball,He just does’nt in the 9 min stretch so many talkin about he never tried to get open or call for the ball. he just ran those week screen curl & never really got open.They really need harden out there more than ever to space the flooring.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If I’m not correct, Rondo has a ring and has been in two Finals (just moments away from two, truth be told). Until any of these other offensive wizards win a ring as the “point guard” of their respective franchise (shout out to D. Rose/Russ Westbrook/Steve Nash/D-Will/CP3/Allen Iverson, etc.)you guys can be entertained…..winners steady try to W.I.N. :)

  • T-Money

    eboy: that’s a weak argument. you mean to tell me that the celts would not have beaten the lakers in 08 with cp3, drose, westbrook, deron or nash running the point? even nash’s defense would not have been an issue guarding fish!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And yes, that includes the King of hero ball, Lebron James.

  • ellaoharu

    good postup. diggin the new writers

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i’m not trying to start sh*t here, im really not.
    but the value of rondo’s ring wouldn’t come close to if CP3, deron, drose, AI or nash won a ring.
    i respect rondo’s game, but he was blessed in 2008.

  • 1982

    Not the biggest Heat fan here obviously, but I’m a fan of super teams. That’s 80+ points for the big three, and 10 assists for the whole team. Seems like they’re built for the playoffs more than they are the regular season. ISO everything and see if the other team can play man to man for 7 games. Well, I guess that’s how they’ve been playing all year..
    And that single Memphis-Thunder game made me forget that three of the championship teams from the last decade are about to be out of the playoffs. Almost made me feel sorry for the Grizz, especially after that wide open game tying miss from ZBo. But I doubt they’ve ever played 50+ minutes at that intensity, and it showed towards the end…Westbrook is the key and also the bolt-lock. Kevin Durant or not, he’s going into Kobe mode the last quarter.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    With two good arms, I think Rondo could average 20 assists in the playoffs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ya’ll motherfu*kers are haters to the worst degree. Just because the dude doesn’t score in bunches, he’s a fu*king bum? Please. You’re all used to seeing Sportscenter highlights and take your cue from there and Youtube. I keep forgetting most of you never watched hard nosed ball night in and night out back in the day….because 90% of you weren’t around to do it. Rondo is underrated. If you fools are saying all those other cats could have filled in on the Celts team in 2008, Rondo couldn’t do the same on the ’04 Pistons? The ’06 Heat? Don’t think he could flourish in the Triangle on the Lakers two titles? Think before you speak.

  • showtime

    Just with Drose/Westbrook debate. both have some shoot to give them ball to (just that westbrook has a top scorer) but if you dont make yourself avialable for the ball or call for the ball, who you gonna think gonna take the shot? the person that has the ball in their hand the most….drose is still better but not by a huge gap of what people make it out to be..Theyre basically the same just has better defense and the other is mvp because of mentalprowess(smart decsion making sometimes)

  • J-MAC

    Depends on the make up of the team. If you have Melo or say KD wouldnt it make more sence to have a playmaker like CP3 or Rondo? On the other hand if dont have a sg or sf premiter scoring threat dont you want a scoring pg. Its all relevent.

  • http://legendofmrpalmer.tumblr.com DP

    Eboy

  • http://bulls.com airs

    the ’06 heat wasn’t point guard driven. and of COURSE rondo would kill in the triangle, i mean if derek fisher can do it, not to mention some dudes named pau and kobe to help him out.
    the ’04 pistons is an interesting point
    i honestly don’t think 2008 rondo could have run that team better than or as good as chauncey did

  • Riggs

    @smoove: i saw the game where he went away from his spot to shoot a contested horrible shot while KG was in HIS spot and ray was moving towards his spot. what f*cking game did you watch? and this isnt the first time paul did this as well.

  • T-Money

    eboy: who exactly said that rondo wouldn’t have been able to fill the 1-spot on those teams? you’re taking down arguments that have not been put fwd by anyone. (although i would disagree on 04 pistons, they needed chauncey’s shot making). / this is not about highlights – something that rondo is very capable of doing. this is about shooting 26% from the line in last year’s finals. this is about being afraid to shoot a wide open jumper in crunch time and driving to pass because you don’t want to go to the free throw line. this is about allowing kobe bryant to basically rest for 48 minutes on defense. his shooting is not merely a weakness, it’s a major flaw that greatly hurts his team the deeper they get in the playoffs.

  • showtime

    @Eboy i think people are knocking rondo par say( it just that he’s in a system where he thrive in just like nash in pheonix, or stocking in utah,or (insert pg here). Its just that some beleive that in short commings & lack of improvement in them, giving him much credit.(think if u switch him to bulls or okc does he have same impact or does the team underachieve with him??/

  • JoeMaMa

    I watched the OKC/Memphis game, and I kept thinking, “isn’t KD the #1 scorer in the whole league?” Westbrook took 33 shots, Durant took 20. Yet despite the disparity, KD only had 5 less points. So either Brooks is telling Westbrook “SHOOT”, or Westbrook is really gunning for himself. Because Kevin Durant is the most gifted scorer in the league, and he only took 20 shots in a triple overtime game. That’s…unbelievable.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    and nobody said rondo was a f*cking bum. he’s a great playmaker, great point guard. but if he could work on his own scoring when there aren’t others around him to carry the load, he’d just be that much more impressive.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Celtics playoff record since 2008 reads different, T-Money. And any cat that can come back, in the same game, from a dislocated elbow and play the majority of the PG minutes in the following game, get’s the benefit of the doubt for the remainder of his career. You can talk on his flaws. the problem is, there are no Rondo groupies that will run to his rescue like he was 5 year old little girl stuck in a tree like these dudes do for D. Rose…so there’s little to none rational thought to be dealt with in this argument, at least here.

  • T-Money

    to me, the free throw shooting is much worse than the lack of jumper. it prevents him from being agressive late in games. he clearly does not want to get fouled. that’s weak.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ain’t nobody hating. To quote Common Sense “If I don’t like it, I don’t like it…”
    I don’t like point guards who can’t shoot. Period.
    Rondo is Maurice Cheeks without the free throws. And Mo, as great as he was, hurt the Sixers at times with his inability to stick and open jumper when left alone.
    That’s the basic point guard’s job. Get your team into the offense, defend the perimeter and punish the defense if they don’t respect you.
    Right now, Rondo can do two of the three. Deron, Paul, and Rose can do all three. And Westbrook can all three when he’s not having a brain fart.
    It’s not about highlights, it’s about basic fundamentals. Hell, Eric Snow was a better shooter than Rondo is right now, and he put in more work on his game.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    if there are no groupies for rondo, then ALL of this here should be rational thought dealing with rondo.
    ain’t NO ONE here hating on him, we’re pointing out his flaws, and his shooting is a glaring one.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And Hell NO Rondo couldn’t have led the Pistons to a title. That team was very dependent on Chauncey taking over games and getting buckets.
    Nor could he have played int he Triangle because despite Fisher’s putrid shooting percentages, dude is actually a dangerous shooter, particularly in the clutch.
    What are you smoking Eboy?

  • T-Money

    eboy: coming back from that elbow injury makes him tough but not better than those guys. d-rose and rondo are not in the same tier, man. you’re the one talking about all these intangibles, what are you rational arguments to even suggest that they’re in the same class? and you’d be crazy to call me a d-rose stan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But when other cats games have their flaws exposed, cats cry as if they missed their periods. Pay attention. And yes, I prefer scoring wings and big men to get the majority of their teams points. It’s extremely uncommon that an elite point guard leads their team to title wins. There’s my “if I don’t like it, I don’t like it…” reason. And don’t mention Magic, because he was freakish at his size…something CP3/Rose/Williams/ etc. don’t have.

  • HAMMER

    Miami ought 2 b kissing Boston’s feet 4 trading Perkins. Smart move Boston!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Allen, the Pistons team was built on DEFENSE. Rondo is steps above Chauncey in that aspect and is a better distributor than Chauncey ever was. Tit for tat…or take the pipe out of your mouth. Chauncey was Mr. Big Shot ’cause he was an aggressive scorer. Sheed, Rip and Tayshaun were all more than capable of putting the ball in the basket.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T-Money….you have the potential.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Russell Westbrook was so frustrating to watch during parts of the game last night me and my boy were contemplating turning it off and gettin jumpers up. There was stretch of like 6 or 7 possessions where Westbrook forced a shot or dribbled the clock out without letting OKC run any plays or anything at one point in the 2nd quarter. To know he finished with 13 more shots then Durant it’s amazing they won

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I can’t believe I’ve spent most of the morning defending Rondo. I have wrote a single word about the Heat winning last night. Apocalypse…meet SLAMOnline.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *haven’t

  • T-Money

    to switch gears: yesterday’s games illustrated how silly those made-up close game (5 points or less) stats are. both games went into OT but the spread was 5+ in both. does that mean that the winning teams didn’t make clutch plays?

  • 1982

    Lol, this always turns into an episode of Eboy Meets World. Badump bump.

  • JoeMaMa

    @nbk: the fact that KD is letting this happen is surprising too. You’d think he’d be in the huddles, calling Westbrook out. Or talking to the coaches, or running towards the ball during the games. But he isn’t. He’s either accepting that fact that Westbrook is the star (???), not caring (no), or seeing that Westbrook has mismatches and letting him take advantage of that (likely). But still…no one can stop KD. And if they lose this series, what does he say??

  • http://bulls.com airs

    im still not seeing your point as to why this is an irrational debate or we’re hating because no one is whining about rondo being their favorite player right now.
    and its not just about rondo’s inability to score, for me its that and the fact that in 2008 he wasn’t a leader on that team.
    chauncey was, tony parker was, isiah was and even if they didnt win stockton was.
    but again, he’s a great playmaker but if he worked on his shooting he’d be damn near untouchable.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money knocking stats? Eboy defending Rondo? What’s next, me saying that LeBron James is the greatest basketball player ever, of all time, to infinity?!
    Nah…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    Bullsh*t.
    In his prime, Chauncey was a better scorer than Rip and Prince. He was a more wiling scorer than Rasheed if not actually better.
    Chauncey could slide between both guard spots and he could create his own shot off hte bounce, or get free throws. And he is a freaking 89 percent free throw shooter, so those were guaranteed points.
    Now, he wasn’t a great finisher at the rim over bigs, but neither is Rondo. And instead of shying away from contact, he actively sought it out, which got his team into the penalty faster and allowed them to set their defense.
    Yes, the Pistons were a defensive team, but they had no creator on par with Paul Pierce outside of Chauncey.
    Rondo is very good. He has a glaring weakness, and I don’t care how many injuries he ignores, it’s still a glaring weakness.
    Nobody said your point should be your dominant scorer. I gave your the three jobs of most point guards. You are creating a strawman arguments that you can easily knock down and belittle instead of dealing with the fact that it’s inexcusable that Rondo is such a poor shooter so late into his career.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    but yes please, anyways.
    i remember reading you said you watched hockey eboy, what’s your team?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh yeah, and everybody needs to fall back on Westbrook.
    Yes he does stupid things, but the more I watch the games the more I am convinced that Scott Brooks has absolutely no idea how to run an offense.
    None.
    They don’t run sets, they don’t get good shots out of timeouts, and it’s questionable if he has control over Westbrook. Basically, he’s failing but he has two incredible talents, with two other good role players, so it’s being hidden.
    The next time OKC runs an actual play will be the first time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    I hate what Westbrook is doing in the closing minutes of the game; give the ball do KD!
    Also on the Rondo thing, yea he is a tough as they come, but I take CP3 Drose and Dwill over him, I see Rondo as the 4th best PG and CP3 as the best.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Not until 2012!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @airs…I stay hometown because the FLA Panthers are like The Bad News Bears of hockey….but my favorite player was/is Peter Forsberg. That was my dude.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “Nobody said your point should be your dominant scorer.”….yet YOU had an erotic fascination with one and the rest of these cats basically hopped on a dude’s nuts that plays in Chicago doing the same. I got you.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    im really getting into hockey now, i never paid too much mind to it but last year’s blackhawks kind of forced me to. when bulls and hawks are making playoff runs, the city is crazy

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Here’s a question: Did LeBron travel on that drive to the basket late in the game last night that put Miami up 2 points with under a minute in regulation?
    Cats on Twitter swear he walked, I say no. I thought it was a good drive and finish. Anyone else?

  • QQQQQ!

    saw this on NT. Pretty true!

    http://i.imgur.com/zTwRb.png

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I know this was discussed yesterday, but how the hell did Kobe make 1st team All NBA?
    If every single person on SlamOnline agrees about something, that something must be fact. Kobe is no longer an All-NBA defender. Phil Jackson said that his D was on the decline in his first book, that was 6 years ago!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Good drive and finish. Bron was an absolute monster down the stretch last night, and I am not a Bron fan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    How awesome would a KD-Dirk matchup be?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m sorry.
    So because my favorite player was Allen Iverson, that means I condoned point guards shooting a bunch?
    Do you even know what Iverson averaged as far as shots before he got switched to the two spot?
    His first two years he averaged 19.8 and 17.6 shots respectively. The first year was obviously ridiculously high particularly since he only shot 46 percent from the field.
    But the second year is only ONE shot more than Chris Paul took the years he averaged 22 and 23 respectively and 2 more than Deron Williams took when he put up 20+. Moreover, Iverson shot 46 percent from the field that year.
    His shot totals only got ridiculous once he got moved to the two guard spot because he wasn’t the sort of point guard Larry Brown liked. And when he came back to the point after five or six seasons at the two, he still played like a two guard for the most part because his team lacked viable scorers. His second options were Harpring and Kukoc at certain stretches.
    But that doesn’t matter because I didn’t say Iverson was the perfect example how to play the point. I said he was my favorite player. There is a huge and glaring difference.
    I would add a pithy insult here, but that would just give you more cover to hide your piss poor insults behind.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    How can you look at that and not see the travel? 3 steps is 3 steps. Either call the travel with the three steps or call that terrible excuse for a jump stop a travel. He took three steps and then a pivot step.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    No way Rondo leads 04 Pistons to a title…not a chance. Like Allen said, that team depended on Billup’s scoring at times because they didn’t have any elite offensive talent on that team. They didn’t have one guy who would carry them on offense on a nightly basis, they all (- Ben Wallace) shared that responsibility. Billups was pretty much the only one of those guys who could create off the dribble too. Plus I think you’re underselling his defense. Sure he wasn’t as good as Rondo on D, but he could hold his own against pretty much anyone during his prime.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    I can’t remember, but when he came to a stop initially, was it using a jump stop?
    I thought, at first glance it looked fishy, but then when I looked again, I thought he used a jump stop, which means he never established either foot as his pivot.
    So, when he did that step through, he was in effect establishing a pivot foot, which is perfectly legal and does not count as another step.
    He and Wade do that a lot.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    jahmai, im sure russ is thinking not as awesome as a russ vs. dirk matchup!
    jk, russ is my boy

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Full speed it looked like a legal play, I have not checked the replays. The referees officiate the plays in full speed, so you can forgive them for missing it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Ha ha – “Westbrook.Barea. your Western Conference FInals here on ABC!”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @Allen….didn’t you and Crawford have a similar discussion where you conceded you never allow yourself to be viewed as wrong? So regardless of the argument, you’re right. Good win for you.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Damn son, for a lawyer you really do miss the fine points.
    I said I always think I’m right until proven wrong.
    For the life of me, I cannot understand why this is a foreign concept to so many of you people.
    I have to question whether y’all just say random stuff to get a reaction now.
    Make a decent argument and prove me wrong instead of stringing together nonsense lobbing around insults.
    Come on, it’s easy. All you have to do is think logically.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Yeah Allen, it was a jump stop, so that’s correct, no pivot was established. It was strong drive and finish. No travel.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I made two points no one (including you) have thrown any of their big brained powers too: 1) throw out some high scoring point guard led teams that won titles (excluding Magic) and 2)discount Rondo being able to score 20 a game in a sh*t system and if getting 20 a game would be enough for him to be viewed as a “good” scorer, albeit doing it on a garbage team with a limited upside. I’ll wait for your long-winded and empty response.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Your wrong about Deron Williams understanding of the game being on par with Chris Paul’s. I don’t know where to find usage rates, but they will be similar we know that, so they both handle the ball almost exclusively for their team, yet Deron turns the ball over more every year (and on his career), averages less assists (every year but 1) and on his career, takes lower percentage shots (i’m just using FG% for that one, so it may be a manipulation of statistics), and got traded because he could no longer handle the structure that came with Sloan’s system, and just wanted to run up and down and get his numbers some place else.
    Ok that last part is BS, but I think their is more than enough evidence on stats and film to show CP is a step ahead of Deron in the mental department.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And Magic wasn’t a big, elite scorer….so he may not apply either.

  • JTaylor21

    It’s plain and simple for everyone to see that KD at times is afraid of the ball in the clutch which forces Westbrook to take over at times. How many times in the 1st and 2nd OT would KD just stand int the corner watching like a fan while Westbrook was looking to attack. Westbrook can’t force KD to shoot if he doesn’t want to, Russ actually carried the team in the 4th Qtr and first 2 OTs until KD decided to show up at the end of the 3rd OT.
    I think he’s lack of shots in the clutch is due to lack of handle, nerves, bad shot-taking (see that 40 foot step back attempt to win the game) and Westbrook’s willingness to takeover down the stretch. If KD wants the ball so bad, he should go get the damn ball instead of standing to the side.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I don’t see how Rondo would’ve flourished in the Triangle Offense either.
    The PG position is basically an afterthought in that system

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    AllBall, you coulda just said “f*ck D Will! CP3!” and made your point as effectively.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Rondo cannot shoot well enough to work that well in the triangle IMO.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What do your points have to do with my original response to your original point?
    Dude can’t shoot free throws or jumpers and it impacts his game.
    You said that anybody who “downs” him should be barred from discussing basketball anywhere. While that was surely part of your hyperbolic Eboy persona, I felt compelled to note that dude’s shooting is a massive and glaring weakness that should be discussed because it affects his team and his play.
    Simple.
    Your tangents about being a dominant scorer, or getting two points were smokescreens.
    But to play along with your rigged game, give me a number on high scoring.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    eboy- isiah, tony parker, chauncey.
    im not about to check the stats and see if they lit up for 40 every night but im confident enough to say that they were more than capable of getting their own shot. at a high FG% at that.
    rondo averaging 19 in this series really surprised me, but the fact remains that they’re down 3-1 and in an important game where they desperately needed scoring he only scored 10 pts.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    The play where Lebron went by Pierce from the top of the key was a travel; He picks the ball up goes left, right left, then throws the pumpfake and then takes another right step = 4steps= travel.
    Btw: CP3 is the best pg in the L.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    and i thinks its worth noting that rondo only averaged 11 pts in the first round and 10 pts during the season

  • http://bulls.com airs

    sh*t i got that backwards y’all haha. 19 in first round, 11 in semis.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Tony Parker didn’t lead the Spurs every year they won a title. He was awesome when they swept the Cavs. Isiah was a piece of a incredibly efficient squad for two seasons. Chauncey also was part of a “team” he wasn’t the face of the franchise like Rose, Williams, AI. And none of them (except for Isiah for a period of his career) were elite scorers like Rose is.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, I kinda see where you’re coming from but how does his lack of shooting affect a Bos team that went to the finals 2/3 yrs and won in 08?
    Yes, it’s a shame that dude still hasn’t improved his FT and midrange shot the slightest bit but it really doesn’t affect his team as much as you think.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    lol @ russ, barea, abc finals!!, Still better than: ‘ZAZA PACHULIA, MIKE CONLEY, IT’S THE NBA FINALS ON ABC!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bob Cousy and Isiah Thomas were both either one or two in field goal attempts on their respective championship teams and both were considered elite scorers.
    Tony Parker was second in shots attempted on the Spurs in 2004, and first in 2006.
    Oscar Robertson was second in scoring on the Bucks at 19 a game when they won their only ring.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    *abc wcf finals btw.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    19 pts a game isn’t elite. Bob Cousy was alone as the premier PG of that era. TP play exceptional for those Spurs, but I would argue he never “led” the Spurs. That was always Tim’s team and Manu and TP shined because of him. And if you want to argue each of them on their respective merits, you cited 4 players….in the history of the game. I’ll take my chances with the style of ball I prefer to get me better championship driven results.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    im starting to forget what we’re arguing about so i’ll just say this.
    rondo is dope, and he’s the perfect fit for boston.
    if his shooting improved he’d be damn near unstoppable, for sure.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    How great would Boston be if he could shoot?
    That’s like saying the poor skill level of certain Cavs last year didn’t affect them really because they won 66 games.
    Or that Eric Snow’s lack of shooting didn’t affect the Sixers because they got to the Finals.
    Or that Mo Cheeks lack of shooting was that big a deal because his team was regular title contenders.
    Nah, it had an impact. The team had enough talent to overcome it, and he brings a lot of other things to the table, but it still had an impact.
    Hell, in 2008 Kobe erased dude from the game and it was only Pau’s first incident of mangina which Lamar also caught that made that series an relatively easy Boston win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So Rondo is like the modern day Dennis Rodman, except instead of an elite rebounder/defender, he’s an elite defender and facilitator? Specialty players are handy when trying to win titles I guess.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, fair points but look at Bob Cousy.
    I’m not saying that Rondo’s as good as Cousy or is he going to win as many rings but those BOS teams won with him at the helm and we all know dude was a bad shooter. Do you really think that BOS would have won a couple more chips with Rondo being a better shooter? The reason BOS has been so successful in the last couple of years is due to their ability to lock down teams not the ability to outscore the opponent. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some offense to become a great defensive team and I think BOS does that with Rondo at the helm.
    Also Rondo basically sat out the first 3mins of the OT yesterday and BOS had a better shooting PG in DWest out there yet were unable to produce points on the offensive end. So I would say that Rondo’s playmaking and defensive ability is more valuable than shooting at the PG spot for BOS.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I hate always showing up at the tail end of convos.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why is it an either or discussion?
    Rondo can be the same player he is now and learn how to shoot. Nobody is stopping him.

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Yesterday was not a “chucking” game by Westbrook. He NEEDED to take those shots. It was a lot of attempts but it was a triple OT game.. And, he’s the only one who can create his own shot any way he wants. Yes, even Durant struggles to get his own shot (unless you count forced long jumpers), cuz he was getting locked up by allen and battier. OKC has no offensive weapons besides Russ and Kevin, and Kevin can’t create for himself well. Russ, like Rose, HAD to take those shots.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    KD can’t create for himself?
    this is news to me.

  • Anton Igudesman

    who else thinks E-boy is a friggin idiot? Dude needs to calm down and slip that tampax out his pu@@y

  • jomay

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    http://yfrog.com/h4igledj

  • JTaylor21

    Umm make some players will never be able to be a good shooter, ever. You know not everyone out there is a great all-around player as in being able to shoot, pass, defend and rebound. Some players are only good at one aspect, some at two and others simply suck. Imagine if every PG was as good as CP or had Magic’s all-around ability, it would be mayhem.
    That’s just how the world revolves.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Give me a month with Rondo I’ll help his shot and he wont have to change his game at all

  • T-Money

    airs: he has trouble getting into the lane on 1vs1 situation late in games because his handle is a bit loose. his pull up going to his left is deadly but don’t expect him to go to the hole.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Shooting takes work, and the right kind of it. Anybody can learn to shoot, not anybody can shoot while off balance and on the move. But anyone can learn a set shot

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t know. That move he put on Battier was worthy of a point guard. I think he just trusts his jumper too much. He had the blow by against Battier, but instead settled for jumpers because he loves his jumper.
    Also, he doesn’t seem to understand how to handle ball denial, and his lack of girth makes it easier to push him off his spot. He needs to watch some Paul Pierce Ray Allen tapes this summer.

  • smoove

    @ riggs ..apparently not, think about it, why would Pierce move away from his sweet spot, not at all dummy, the defense pushed him that direction, not to mention if you watch the replay garnett was supposed to set a brush screen but he didnt, watch the replay asshole, before you try to match witts with me. im done with u

  • http://bulls.com airs

    i can’t say i’ve watched KD all season, but i’d expect the leading scorer of the league for the past two seasons to somewhat be able to create for himself.
    but i’ll take your guys’ word for it.

  • JTaylor21

    Anybody can learn to shoot but it doesn’t automatically mean they will become a great shooter. Shaq, Wilt, and DHow probably shot countless FTs but did they ever become great shooters? Hells no! DR.J another bad shooter, put in thousands of hours in the gym working on his shot, never became a good shooter.
    Some people just don’t have the touch needed to become a great shooter and no mechanics or shooting coach can change that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    nbk can.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq and Howard have mental issues, just like Wilt.
    And Shaq’s form is atrocious.
    The mental aspect of shooting is important.

  • JTaylor21

    Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit!!!

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    it takes the right type of practice. give me a nerf ball 15 feet from a nerf hoop and i’ll outshoot Rondo with a normal ball and a normal basket, just to prove size of hands and ball don’t matter. Its about touch, coordination, and vision. Rondo clearly has all three of those things in everything outside of his shot, so I believe he can become a good shooter with the right practice. Guys like shaq have other things they would have to take care of that aren’t directly a result of basketball skill before they can become a good shooter. Atleast that’s in my experience, and i’ve taught some pretty awful shooters to be decent or above average in a relatively short amount of time. just by changing their practice habits and what to work on within their shot.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    i can what rigomatic

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    change someone’s shooting woes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Question: why does nbk spend inordinate amounts of town posting here and on Twitter when he could be a shot doctor for any one of the NBA franchises we speak of each day?

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Cosign rigo.. I hate being too late/too busy to comment smmfh

  • JTaylor21

    I like how everyone picked out the Shaq example to make their argument from but ignored the DR.J example. So what about a guy like DR.J? What was his problem and I don’t think it was mental.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    because nbk is 24 and didn’t play college ball. the door to being a shot coach is pretty much a hard one to open at that point

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    You know i have no idea what Dr J’s problem is, i’m not old enough to have followed his career closely

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It was a legit question. I don’t like your answer. I know what missed opportunities are ALL ABOUT. Trust me.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I thought you balled in college, sooper-dooper?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I’m living the whole “missed opportunites” thing as we speak.

  • T-Money

    allen: he has dribble moves. like the hesi-cross-double behind the back he put on battier. what he lacks his dribbling instincts to get out of tight pressure or hard trap. ron artest usually just runs up on him to make him eat his dribble. he’s gotta develop confidence in his escape dribbles and never, ever eat the ball. superstars don’t do that in crunch time.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Honestly eboy I’ve tried to find places to coach shooting, but i live in phoenix, the need for a shot coach in a place where competitive basketball consists of father coached teams is pretty nonexistent. I can go back to my old high school and become an assistant, they would hire me on the spot but it would take a huge chunk of time out of my work schedule to do that. They all sound like excuses but I have to pay my bills — if i had enough money to chase my dream and pay my bills at the same time i’d be at the gym right now trying to find a place to coach shooting

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    I got on the team at phoenix college but quit due to the bills thing / a girlfriend i live with / and only having 1 car. I tried to grow up while I was still in hs, which put my basketball “career” lol on the backburner

  • T-Money

    free throws are mental. having a good form helps but not doubting yourself and clearing your mind are the most important things imo. a few years ago, duncan went into a stretch where he was more likely to make a contested elbow jumper than a free throw. we all know about nick anderson’s ft shooting after his finals debacle.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ah life……the grandest of things with the ability to give you the largest F*ck Me on your back. I was supposed to play for the Seton Hall Pirates in 1989 (the same year they made it to the NCAA Championship Game) coming out of my senior year in HS and turned it down to move to FLA and help my gravely ill pops try to live out his days in a different enviornment. I settled playing for a small Div II school down here with no fanfare and no hope for a future in ball. That’s as real as I can be. Life sometimes, proverbially, sucks.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Good point on Durant’s dribbling T-money. Dude does tend to get a little flustered.
    But, I don’t think he was scared last night. I think their offense made it easy to deny him the ball. It reminded of how teams used to play Iverson back in the day.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    all shooting is mental. once you understand your shot have practiced it enough it boils down to confidence IMO. I’ve seen great shooters become horrible, seen horrible shooters become great. Anyone remember trevor ruffin? he was a basket case who could shoot like few on earth one minute, and then become a total shaq the next. Or Rajon Rondo at the horse competition 2 years ago, another example of a confident shooter one minute, who is a total mess the next.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Eboy – I feel you man, that is a tough pill to swallow. Its always good to know that their is more to life then basketball, like family which is much more important. I really respect what you did for your pop by turnin down Seton Hall, sounds like I would have done the same thing. I’m not unhappy or anything with the way my life has turned out, it is just not at all what I expected when I was young.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    back to the NBA – Will someone please explain to me if Scott Brooks has any power over his team? or do they as Allen said earlier, just completely lack a structured offense?

  • T-Money

    nbk: if you truly feel like you have a special talent to coach shooting, i would strongly encourage you to take the momentary financial hit to try to monetize that skill.

  • JTaylor21

    How great would a Finals matchup be between either MIA vs OKC or CHI vs OKC? I mean come on dun sons.
    Rose vs Russ going at each other for seven straight pressure-packed games, KD trying to score on a great defender in Deng and the sweetest of all; Ibaka erasing the “eyebrow” from the face of the earth. MIA vs OKC would be Bron vs KD, Wade vs Westbrook, Osama Bin Harden vs Mia’s non existent bench and Bosh vs IBaka and Perk.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I sure as hell didn’t expect to be in front of a damn computer 8 hours a day as a career.
    My wife keeps telling me to chase my dreams, but like nbk said, dreams don’t keep the lights on.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    LOL @ “Ibaka erasing the “eyebrow” from the face of the earth”. Not to mention Perk would put an end to that yelling.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    T-Money any advice where to start? I genuinely feel like I know more about shooting a basketball then pretty much anything else on earth so if you have any suggestions they would be much appreciated. The local community colleges here are not interested in hiring a shooting coach basically they either use them sparingly if they do ever feel the “need” for one, or are not willing to trust someone who is my age that never played in college. I mean I know I can go the high school route but really I would have to be a varsity coach to get any kind of real recognition and i’m not about to get a teaching degree just to coach high school basketball for an undetermined amount of time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think I can speak for all of us when I say that my first thought after reading Eboy’s anecdote was:
    “This dude graduated from high school in 1989! I was in third grade. Does he fart dust and cobwebs?”

    Oh wait, maybe that was just me.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    They need shooting coaches up here in Alaska.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    I do coach shooting with individuals, but not for money just as a service to friends, family, or local kids. FE (not to brag but to prove I may know what i’m doing) I helped my backup from my high school (he’s a year younger) work on his shot before his senior season. He went from a 34% 3pt shooter in his junior year to a 58% 3pt shooter his senior year. He didn’t shoot a lot, just when he was wide open, so 58% is misleadingly good, but still its a massive improvement in a year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Two of my homies started doing assistant work in high school and AAU. They moved up, their team won multiple state championships, and now one of them is working for Team Takeover, which has a national rep.
    I say start small and work your way up. If you get results, people will notice.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    In ’89 I had just graduated too.
    Hawthorne Kindergarten Class of 1989 stand up!

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    haha they better pay well in alaska, i need 6 figures to move to a place like that lol

  • T-Money

    nbk: i would try to work for free for a local college for a year and impress them enough to get on the pay roll the following year. and while you’re there, you work like a maniac in the video room and do as much 1vs1 teaching you can. it’s a big hit and you would probably need loans but there is just no way you’ll be able to realize your dream on a part-time basis.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    Word Allen sounds like ima just start workin at my old high school and then try and get an AAU team going. _ which pretty much is what I figured i would need to do

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    To be historically accurate…I graduated high school in ’88.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Living in the Anchorage area ain’t that serious, yo.
    It’s just like any damn suburb in the lower 48.
    Seriously though, you’re only a couple of years younger than me but I think you’re in a much better position to chase your dream than I am.
    Being a parent and husband takes a lot of my time, and I literally can’t afford to risk my steady income on a dream because it would not only affect me but my loved ones as well.
    You don’t have that problem, so if I was you I’d go for it.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    thanks T, i’ll look into it. I’m not gonna quit my job though, i’m on career fast track so i will have to find a place that can be somewhat flexible. I can’t even though its what I want in terms of a dream job, give up something that will pay me for the rest of my life unless I know for sure I will be successful at the other venture.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    nbk, you never know what kind of connections you can create out there. you might be sitting on the next prep superstar if you work with your old hs team.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    David Thorpe told me to try and just coach as much as I can. he said when he started his only goal was to coach 100 games a year, in anyway he could. He must have had a ton of time when he was a young adult.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    “The biggest risk in life is never taking one”

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    you b*st*rds got me feelin all motivated. but fa real slamily, I appreciate all the insight.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    For real though, me and you, we can start an AAU club right here in Anchorage, Alaska.
    Man, we’ll have D1 prospects every year!
    BWAAHAHAHAHAHA….ok not really.

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    we could probably start a dog sledding team, and be world class. but I don’t know anything about dog sledding

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Me neither.
    I think Lz knows a thing or two about it, if I’m not mistaken.
    We could recruit him too.
    Those f*ckers make some NICE money too.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I have a Husky.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lmao sounds legit I hope lz can supply the dogs too

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Eboy I hope it’s the husky from that movie iron will

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Nah….10 years ago, some people I knew where going to take him to the pound. He was only 6 months old. I took him ’cause I’m an old softy when it comes to animals. I should airmail his a*s to Luis Miguel and have him finish his days doing what he’d do best!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Eboy can come too.
    A Huskey in Florida tho? Damn. Poor thing.
    Oh, or we can start like a Rivals or Scout.com for sled dogs!
    Go to small dog races, scout the dogs, rate them on a 5-star scale so the big time sled-dog racers can recruit them.
    It might work…

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I’d take him, E.
    I have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier right now but I love Huskies.
    karelian bear dogs are the sh*t too.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I was just watching an old Dru Hill video….those cats were ugly as f*ck….Sisqo’s little a*s.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    The chubby dude was the best singer. By far. He shoulda been the one with the solo deal. Get his Luther on. (RIP)

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’d bring my dogs out there but I’m pretty sure they’d just sleep on the job

  • http://bulls.com airs

    hahaha oh man wth.
    slamonline is like 50% basketball, 50% shooting the sh*t nonsense haha. maybe 45%, 55%.
    im aint hating though, its good stuff.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    airs – U mad?
    LOL.
    What’s your prediction for tonight’s game though?
    I say Bulls in a blowout.
    I’m hoping so, anyways.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Snoop Dogg made a song called “winning” lmao

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Deng better show up tonight too. He’s supposed to be our most consistent dude but hasn’t shown it this series.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    derrick AND booz go off tonight, korver hits a bunch of 3′s, and john lucas looks snazzy in his mens wearhouse suit.
    bulls in a blowout for sure.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    yeah, deng is due for a 17-20 pt game. im not worried a bit

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Hawks just activated Kevin Willis and Nigue…..this may not be a cakewalk.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I’m more expecting Noah to go off than Booz.
    I think Boozer will have like 16 and 8.
    Noah like 20 and 18.
    Gibson will have about 4 blocks.
    Rose will have about 35 points but he’ll take like 25 shots so the haters will be out in full force again.
    And the Bulls will win by…15.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Bulls just activated James Edwards.
    Now what?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I don’t think any one would say anything about 35 on 25. Its the 28 on 26 etc that people have problems with. Which Hawk team shows up tonight? No one ever knows. Even the Hawks.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Bob Pettit! Noah may not grab another rebound this series.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    jud buechler and dickie simpkins just signed 10 days

  • http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/9/2161944/derrick-rose-kobe-bryant-lebron-james-bulls-nba-playoffs-2011 nbk

    just like every game atlanta plays I think this is going to come down to how they are shooting. Its pretty predictable what your going to get out of Chicago, except Boozer whose a joker

  • JTaylor21

    Rigo, you’re quite confident, huh? If the hawks can play a team game and sense of urgency, I see them keeping the game close and maybe just maybe stealing another game in the UC. Now I wouldn’t bet on that happen because as we all know it’s the “Schizo” Hawks.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Hawks have bi-polar.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    I say Atlanta-Grizzlies will be the finals with the Grizz taking it in 4 and finals mvp will be Haddadi.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ SLAM: I’m really liking this new format for the site, especially the little arrows that allow you to scroll through each “News and Rumors” story without having to jump to another page. Good stuff. Whoever designs this site deserves a fat raise, or an “off the bench” feature in the mag, if he/she hasn’t already had that =).

  • JTaylor21

    Digging the new look Slam but when are y’all going to fix the commenting problems?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I left for lunch.
    Came back, and SLAM is all different….hmmm…
    I’ll scope it out and see if I agree with Teddy.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    OK –
    Ben Osborne, Ryne Nelson, Susan Price, anyone else I oughta mention – kudos on the new SLAM Online look!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    lol @ airs. I’ve probably typed more non-basketball related comments than basketball-related comments in the past 2 weeks. Haha.

  • http://www.scout.com zoom

    New layout is dope! That is all.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    I’d just like to say that reading all that actually inspired me to try a dream of mine…thanks guys (seriously)

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Good for you, Datkid.
    Seriously, go for it. And good luck.

  • http://www.slamonline.com unf*ckwitable

    New layout is nice. I think the Bulls will get it done by about 15-20 points. Put a fork in the celtics too, they’re done.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    I see you, Ryne!!
    Nice tweaking of the Homepage, Slamonline.

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