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Monday, June 20th, 2011 at 11:13 am  |  35 responses

Cavs Working Out Enes Kanter Again

Impossible to know if the Cavs are seriously considering making the Turkish big man the top pick in the Draft, but it does seem like at the least, they’re bouncing the idea around. Via Yahoo!: “Enes Kanter will work out in front of Cleveland Cavaliers officials on Monday, including owner Dan Gilbert. Kanter’s manager said the Cavs are inviting his client back for another visit because they are considering him for the No. 1 pick. Whether that’s wishful thinking on Kanter’s part – the Cavs also hold the No. 4 pick – remains to be seen. ‘It wouldn’t be necessary for Enes to go again if he isn’t being considered for the top pick,’ said Kanter’s manager, Max Ergul. ‘Their word to me is good enough for him to return. They said they didn’t make a promise to anyone for No. 1.’ Cavs coach Byron Scott told Yahoo! Sports last week that the team is debating whether to use the No. 1 pick on Duke point guard Kyrie Irving or Arizona forward Derrick Williams. The Cavs also could decide to trade their picks, which would affect where Kanter is selected. Ergul said Monday’s workout in Cleveland is Kanter’s last schedule one before Thursday’s draft. Kentucky’s Brandon Knight, regarded as the draft’s second best point guard after Irving, also is scheduled to work out for Cleveland on Monday. Irving and Williams have already worked out for the Cavaliers.”

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  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    I think he’s gonne be the best player out of this draft.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ Cosign.

  • AQWORD

    Cleveland don’t deserve any draft picks in this draft.

  • http://www.quitness.com LilKDub503

    I wouldn’t take him #1, because you can get him and Irving. I don’t see how you can’t take Irving.

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    This is actually a pretty tough spot. Kanter is the highest risk/reward player in this draft. Because Cleveland is so far out of the playoff picture, taking Kanter makes the most sense for them, especially since he’s a true low-post player and will not effect faceup guys like Hickson and Varejao…. if he’s a bust, you can’t get worse, if he’s a success, you have a guy who you can build around.
    But on the other hand, Irving is a sure thing, a one-or-two time all-star who could start on quite a few teams. This in itself wouldn’t convince me to take him over Kanter, but it’s the possibility of getting Kanter with the fourth pick which makes this so tough for the Cavaliers.
    I think Kanter would be a great fit for both Minnesota and Utah. Minny could use him as a five instead of Darko (who has reached his height) and spend the next few years developing Rubio, Johnson, Beasly, Love and Kanter together…. that’s kind of a beasting lineup, if every one of those guys reaches his potential. Likewise, if Utah selects Kanter, they will be overstuffed with four/fives (Jefferson, Milsap, Kanter, Favors, kinda Kirilenko) but all of these guys have big trade value and Utah will definitely have a LOT of leeway, especially if they let teams decide who they’re interested in.
    Minny, of course, sees Darko as this amazing, untapped great who can still be molded… and they love Derrick Williams, even though the team has Beasley (who CLEARLY plays better as a SF) and Anthony Randolph (who I think is an untapped great). And of course, there is always the duscussion that Kanter isn’t a true five and is more of a four and will hurt the progression of Kevin Love (which, from what I’ve seen, isn’t true, but Kanter didn’t PLAY so there is some validity to this fear). Minny, at least publicly, is leaning towards Derrick Williams.
    Utah is even weirder. While they don’t have a need for Kanter and it’s fair if the team doesn’t want to chance the trade game, they are in LOVE with Brandon Knight, which mystifies me. There is no way Brandon Knight gets better than Devin Harris, yet the team loves him and has worked him out quite a few times.
    So Kanter may honestly fall at the fourth spot— if Cleveland has a legit chance of taking him at fourth, why take him at the one?

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    And the more I think about it, the more it seems absurd the L-Wolves should pass up Kanter. Maybe they’re only throwing around the Williams talk to confuse Cleveland… but Minny potentially starts a lineup of Rubio, Johnson, Beasley, Love and Kanter next year, with Flynn/Johnson/Darko off the bench. Let’s just suspend belief and pretend the stars align and every single guy lives up to their potential— you guys a point guard who runs the break like any of the greats and plays amazing defense, a two guard who can knock down any open shot, a three who can create his own offense at will and grab weakside boards, a four who can spread the floor, put up legendarily good rebound numbers and pass from the high post, and a true five who can anchor the D and put legit post pressure on any frontcourt? That’s a playoff bound squad for years to come.
    For a team that has one or two supreme talents mixed in with dead-end players in a tough conference, you need to stack the cheap, rookie talent and this seems optimal. Minny passing up on Kanter seems crazy.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    From what I’ve been reading lately, Minny is looking to trade that second pick for a solid vet. So it would make sense for them to hype up Williams to entice another team to trade for him.
    I honestly believe the Cavs can nab Kanter at four. They can get Irving at one, Minny will either take Williams for themselves or for another team, and Utah’s gonna snatch up Brandon Knight. That leaves Kanter at four.
    I think it depends on Minny though. They might shock some people and take Kanter. If they don’t take him at two though, I really doubt Utah takes him at three.
    Kanter, Millsap, Favors, Jefferson, Okur would be a nice dilemma to have, but it’s still a dilemma. And that’s without even mentioning the less-talented bigs they have as well, Fesenko, Elsen and Evans.

  • JTaylor21

    STAT, someone get Jukai a job as a GM.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “nbk Posted: Jun.17 at 3:45 pm
    Kanter is big enough to play the 5. I don’t see how he gets past Utah. Favors/Kanter would be one h*ll of a combo down low for the future. While Harris is a PG that is likely better then everyone in this draft. Irving and Knight are the only guards I see with even potential to have the same success Devin Harris has had.”

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, I know.
    But I still don’t see how Utah grabs him up. Unless they already have a deal in place to trade one of their other bigs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jefferson kills their defense. I heard they are just trying to find a team to take him. Jefferson for Mayo makes sense. If Jukai is right and they value Brandon Knight that highly then they will be dealing Harris won’t they? Either way, if Utah uses the pick they will likely make a trade immediately after. So I don’t see any logic in not taking the best available player.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Houston should make a run at Al Jefferson. And yeah, I think Enes Kanter might be the best player in this draft.
    Anyone think Valanciunus will be drafted top 4?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also @ nbk: Assuming Utah wants to go with a Favors/Kanter frontcourt, just what do they do with Paul Milsap, who is good enough to start and probably won’t like coming off the bench?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Favors isn’t ready to start. Neither is Kanter (assuming he’s a year or two behind in his development, especially after sitting a whole year). Utah could still realistically start Okur and Millsap this season and worry about roster moves later. OR pair Millsap (or Okur, or Kirilenko) with Jefferson to get back extra pieces, or just to shore up salary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Jukai has that GM-in-the-making logic.

  • Atsushi

    Kanter will have the best career of any player in this draft.
    Probably not a superstar type of guy, but maybe the second or third best player on a championship contender.

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    NBK: I believe Utah’s plans are to have Harris continue to start and mentor Knight for a year, then trade Harris away. As history shows, utah isn’t a team that likes to throw their point guards straight into the fire.
    Utah clearly sees something in Brandon Knight that I don’t. He seems identical to Harris, I guess he’s younger and is far less injury prone… but so?
    Take Favors and Jefferson, put them on the trading block. Use a rotation of Okur (wise vet) and Milsap/Kanter. Don’t agree with me? Well swap out a name from the first list and put it in the next list. Hell, buying Okur out and trading Jefferson to the Rockets… while running a lineup of Milsap and Kanter/Favors is a relatively decent plan, as NBK said. You still have the possibility of nabbing Jimmer or Walker with the 12th.

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    Teddy: If Cleveland takes Irving one, Minny takes Williams as trade bate and Utah takes Kanter at three…. then expect Cleveland to take a long look at Valanciunus. It will make some sense, since they can stash him in Europe for another year and tank some more for some more draft picks… but Dan Gilbert is the type of prick who may draft Vesley or Leonard or Thompson just cause he wants to WIN NOW to BEAT LEBRON TO THAT RING!!!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I just read the Wolves offered the Lakers the second overall pick in exchange for Pau Gasol.
    Freakin’ Kahn, man.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai – Utah could be so high on Knight so Cleveland doesn’t jump the gun with Kanter for all we know. But you are right they do tend to wait with their PG’s except Dwill but for good reason. I just see best player available as the obvious choice for any team not in the title picture. And Calipari even said Kanter will make a better pro or should be the first pick…I don’t exactly remember, either way he (maybe inadvertantly) endorsed Kanter over Knight. For whatever that’s worth. Oh and taking Knight will look quite pointless if Freddettes available at 12, no way I see them passing on that pile of money.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Infact if I were Utah that’s exactly what I would do. Make it seem like Kanter can drop too 4 so he doesn’t go at 1. If CLE wanted a PG so bad wouldn’t they just try and find a way to get Irving since he’s a “sure-thing”? (according to everyone, advanced stats being the reason, and I don’t agree). Or atleast try and make Cleveland second guess making him the 1st pick? Also as we discussed Kanter would presumably be a good fit in Minnesota, but if he’s even an afterthought at 3, does that put doubt in KHAAAAN’s crazy head? Giving Utah the best player in the draft just by playing the “we have a 28 year old all star PG, but still think the PG’s reign supreme in this draft to the point that we’ll trade our all star to make room for our new rookie and basically let everyone know so their drafts are easier weeks before the draft” absurdity card. sounds crazy…intact it probably is, but there’s no good reason for Utah too be this upfront about such a weird pick at 3. Is what I’m saying.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Enigmatic Kevin Love and their second-round pick for Gasol. As a Lakers fan……I kinda really like that trade. Sure, Pau would be leaving, but we would be getting younger with Kevin Love and whomever we choose(either Derrick, Kemba, Kanter, or Irving). The Lakers need that #2 pick. We haven’t had a draft choice REALLY work out for us since Bynum and he’s injury-prone. Now, for Minnesota. I’m sure Rubio would love to have Gasol as a teammate because there already used to playing together, and Gasol is actually experienced playing in the triangle offense like Rambis will have them do.

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    NBK: I’ve actually thought that Minny might be doing that, saying “Oh we think Derrick Williams is the best guy in this draft and we’re nabbing him” then running to pick Kanter, just so Cleveland thinks they have a chance with Kanter at four.
    I mean, who knows, these guys make seven figures doing this stuff. We’re looking at video footage and premusing ourselves to be pros. Maybe Kanter simply isn’t as surefire as you and me believe him to be. I guess there really is a question whether he can be a true five with his strength and his timing, as well as where the defense and offense takes him on the floor. If he’s another four, it really changes the entire picture, as Cleveland, Minny and Utah have a TON of them.
    One thing is for sure: Biyombo at five is looking dumber and dumber on SLAM’s part.

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    and BlackPhantom’s trade is insane. And it kinda makes sense, which is even more insane.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I would rather have kevin love going forward then Pau. Especially in LA where he is played college and has his beach boy uncle. Plus he’s young and more or less healthy. Something you can’t say for Bynum. Plus the dream of getting Howard and pairing him with Love? Sounds like a dream come true.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    But they aren’t getting love and the 2nd pick.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I think it’s good for the cavaliers to look long and hard at enes at the one spot… essentially this drops, Williams, Irving and brandon a spot ONE OF THEM will be available at the 4th pick – Enes and Williams… FRONT COURT LOCKED UP… ENES and Irving…. sweet combo… ENES and brandon… sweet combo x 2. ESSENTIALLY BY NOT taking Enes 1st they can’t be guaranteed he’ll be there at four. worse case scenario he is taken at 3 and then the caves are left with both Irving and Brandon.. they don’t need both pg’s… BUT that could open up a trade scenario…. BUT wouldn’t you just take Enes first and go with who ever is available at 4 because that would work whomever is left.

  • Ronald

    @Jukai: Don’t you think you hit the nail right on the head regarding the L-Wolves? They have amazing pieces at all positions. But for some weird reason they have sucked. Is it the coaching? Or the fact the players aren’t meshing well? Does taking Enes Kanter really help them? Another young and raw player doesn’t seem to make all the sense in the world. I still think they should trade the pick for some veteran help (as overrated as that can be, I can see some benefit in regards to learning how to win etc.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Hey I saw Tony & Michael debating that supposed trade offer on PTI. You think Kahn has the cajones to do it?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai: Maybe he isn’t well I actually don’t really think he’s “sure-fire”. But I do think he has the best chance to be actually perennially good. Not the occasionall all star low Irving or Knight. Williams I think is just going to be good. A stretch 4 will be his eventual position. He doesn’t have the build to be a 3 for very long if at all IMO. This drafts talent pool might be more of a puddle but it sure has more options at the top.

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    Ronald: Well, they suck cause a) two of the five players in my “make sense lineup” in Kanter and Rubio aren’t there and may not be at all, b) in place of Rubio and Kanter are Flynn and Darko, who should be 15-minute scrubs, c) Love and Beasley are young and still need a year or two to fully hit their prime. Wes Johnson is the perfect complimentary two but shouldn’t be the third option on the team.
    Plus their bench is abysmal, hooboy. Rubio and Kanter would push Flynn and Darko to the reserve spot, but obviously a lot of Minny’s future depends on how good Rubio and Kanter will eventually become.
    But they’d all have YEARS to get there.

  • http://sadjklff.com Jukai

    I’m more of a draftexpress guy, but nbadraft dot net has Valanciunus at the four spot, so there you go Teddy.

  • Groves

    i like kanter, but minny had the opportunity to trade for two centers who are better fits (McGee, washington or Hibbert,indiana) and get good picks (#6 or #15 respectively) and haven’t taken them thus far, so i’d lean away from them drafting kanter

  • iCARNACKi

    Williams/Irving are clearly the best two prospects in the draft, if you’re drafting with the #4 pick in mind you take Williams and one of Knight/Kanter/Irving at #4… you don’t draft Kanter and pray one of the better prospects falls to you at #4… thats ridiculous.

    It will basically boil down to either Kanter or Knight at #4 and Williams can play with either of them… Irving can’t play with Knight… Williams and Irving are equal, in terms of potential, only Williams doesn’t come with an injury risk and has a bigger body of work to base our assumptions off. I don’t see how Cleveland pass on Williams at #1. They can then take BPA at #4… right?

  • iCARNACKi

    *Edit*

    My point being if Cleveland draft Irving at #1 they might get stuck with Knight as BPA at #4… and if they draft Kanter at #1 they are going to miss out on the two consensus best players in the draft.

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