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Monday, June 6th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  193 responses

Dwyane Wade: Dallas Mavericks Killer, Again


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

He’s doing it to them again.

Five years later, Dwyane Wade is once again becoming the Dallas Mavericks’ worst nightmare in the NBA Finals. Largely due to favorable matchups, the Heat have turned to DWade late in games to bring it home for them, and he has.

This has predictably led to some pretty awful (and wildly incorrect) assumptions from certain members of the media about Wade’s teammate, LeBron James, but the truth of the matter should be obvious to anyone who has ever watched the NBA for more than 10 minutes: both Wade and James are doing exactly what has been asked of them, which is inching them ever closer to their first title together.

In the NBA Finals, Dwyane Wade has once again taken over the familiar role of team leader both on and off the court.

NBA.com has the quotes:

Wade only got to the line four times on Sunday, but he finished with 29 points on 12-for-21 from the field, hitting two of his four attempts from 3-point range. Before Bosh’s game-winner, Wade had the Heat’s previous three buckets, one off a post-up and two pull-up jumpers (one of them a trey) from the top of the key. “We allowed him to bring us home offensively,” [LeBron] James said.

“He played spectacular basketball,” [Chris] Bosh said of Wade. “He was aggressive and took good shots. We rode the wave for a little while. He set the tone for us.” For the series, Wade is averaging 29.0 points, 8.7 rebounds and 5.0 assists. He’s shooting 57 percent from the field and 6-for-15 from 3-point range. His scoring and free-throw attempts are down from the 2006 Finals (when he averaged 34.7 points), but he’s still the Heat’s go-to guy. And on Sunday, Wade wasn’t just making buckets. He was trying to get his teammates to come along for the ride. “He had every right to say what he said to me,” James admitted. “As a competitor, you love when guys challenge you. He challenged me in the locker room at halftime. He challenged me on the court. As a competitor, like I said, I respect that.” … Wade wanted this game, and he got it. “I’ve been here before,” he said.

The Miami Heat is using a tried-and-tested formula against Dallas in these Finals: play suffocating defense, and let Dwyane Wade carry the offense.

Sounds a lot like 2006, and looks like the Mavs still haven’t figured out how to overcome either obstacle.

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  • http://www.glidehoyas.blogspot.com Kent

    I keep tell folks it’s Wade’s team not Lebron’s lol…Wade is more mentally experienced, Lebron will get their as long as he’s watching Wade’s on and off court behavior. #greatrolemodelforLeBron

  • http://www.glidehoyas.blogspot.com Kent

    I keep tell folks it’s Wade’s team not Lebron’s lol…Wade is more mentally experienced, Lebron will get their as long as he’s watching Wade’s on and off court behavior. #greatrolemodelforLeBron

  • Eddie

    Tis the end for Dirk and the Mavs. And for Magic’s braincells. Dude was damn near incoherent at times.

  • RobbieJay

    wade has been the closer in this series, much like lebron was in the chicago series (game 2 &5 i mean.)the biggest problem for other teams against miami is wade and bron take turns being the “guy” for miami, and if you double one,that leaves space for bosh and wade or james.im tired of all the crazy light ads btw.

  • AT33

    SLAM I urge you to reevaluate your ranking again because you’ve made a huge mistake! I’ve said it and will say it again, DWade is the best basketball player on the planet right now! He is No. 1, he’s as good as it gets. Pound for pound he’s right up there with Jordan, yes he’s that good. He’s killer. Without him LeBron would never get a ring. That’s why LeBron is his sidekick, his Pippen.

  • Jdizzle

    Really? The Mavs lost by two points and had a collective goose egg from their supporting players outside of Dirk

  • http://www.youtube.com ondeRRRRR

    Here is an article that Gregg Doyel (the reporter Lebron owned in the aforementioned video) wrote following that post-game conference.

    http://www.cbssports.com/?userid=onder652#!/nba/story/15202274/lebron-james-story-of-an-incredibly-shrinking-superstar

    What an incredibly biased, rage-fueled piece of garbage that article is.Doyel is obviously butthurt after getting disciplined on national TV by LBJ. How is this dude a national sports-journalist for CBS? Did he miss the late-game heroics from Lebron in the Boston and Chicago series’?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I must be the only one who remembers Lebron carrying the Heat through the Bulls series while Dwyane was chilling like it was 2007.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    This reminds me of a dumb argument my brother brought up yesterday. The Mavericks have Shawn Marion and DeShawn Stevenson to throw at Lebron. It slows Lebron down. Wade is going up against a six foot Jason Terry and a 38-year-old Jason Kidd. Of course Wade is going to be doing better than Lebron, and Bron is happily passing to Wade.
    In the Chicago series, Wade had Bogans and Brewer constantly guarding him, while Lebron had Deng and Korver. So, the situation was reverse, Wade struggled a bit and happily passed the ball to Lebron.
    And of course, this situation is easy to see, yet my brother still asked “Do you think people are gonna REALLY start talking if Wade wins Finals MVP?” and I said “of course not, people saw how Lebron dominated the entire playoffs, but the Mavericks are made for Wade to beat up. People wont be that stupid to make that statement.”
    Thanks for proving me wrong, AT33.

  • Blame MJ

    Last season Miami didn’t even make it out the first round; clearly Lebron isn’t the only one needed help. Without Shaq, Wade wouldn’t have won his only ring (FIVE years ago). And Lebron definitely wasn’t the sidekick in the Chicago series, or all year for that matter. I don’t consider either a sidekick. Stop trying to compare every player to MJ and every duo to MJ & Scottie.

  • SigmaMan

    It isn’t that hard to see that Lebron has taken the back seat this series.Early on in game 3 he was aggressive attacking the basket. Then he just stopped attacking all together and chose to facilitate instead of score.

  • AT33

    @Jukai
    of course DWadeofficial will win Finals MVP assuming they win it all otherwise it’s all Drik.
    But to your argument, it’s baseless. DWade can go for 30 against anyone in the league, no one can guard him. Unless he stops himself, there is no one on this planet that can guard him. His game is more polished than LeBrons. He’s also more reliable when it really counts, in clutch situations. Bron is good, no doubt, he’s def a close second but as far as overall game, killer instinct, Jordan senses, DWade’s got the upper hand boy. One more thing, the Heat need to get rid of Bosh as soon as this season is over whether they win it or not, man he stinks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It will be nice when the Heat finish this bullsh*t season off and the moron’s can criticize their title all summer while the Heat are polishing their rings.

  • Eddie1

    Adrian wojranowski of Yahoo sports is such a hater. He wrote an entire article about Lebron deferring to Wade. Ok man we get it. Also we get that your “sources” are all fake. The worst illuminati agent ever. EDDIE, 2089.

  • Eddie1

    Also watch for the Lebron and Wade to win co-mvp. Y’all heard it here first. EDDIE, 1978. Goo goo gah gah.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    ^^
    BO$H is gonne get mvp, he hit the game winner like a BO$H!

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    wades been beasting due to matchups vs kidd and terry. i think bron will go off after hearing that shring comment from the postgame conference. if itll bring out the best out of both bron and wade then heat fans win. no sense of arguing who’s better.

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    AT33
    Jukais argument is not baseless.
    Wade averaged 18ppg vs the Bulls.

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    *shrinking not shring

  • bull22

    @at33, yeah he is such a killer that take a look at his record without shaq,james and bosh
    before you make such a foolish suggestion he is up there with jordan… in james and wade’s
    generation as individual players they are among best (even though i hate them) but no one will ever confuse them with guys who grew with their team and made them better….

  • http://www.nba.com K Dub

    This is D Wade’s Team by far and D Wade is way more clutch than LeBron in game 5 vs the bulls D Wade closed that game out with lebron and when it matters for a ring in the finals D wade is killing showing why this is his team and why he is better than lebron

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lebron is more willing to facilitate. Dwyane does not have the ability to dominate a game without scoring in bunches. Stop typing. You’re all dense. They are working in tandem to win a ring. In their first season together. This will not end well for the rest of your teams for the foreseeable future’s. Keep looking to pinpoint your bullsh*t arguments as others will be pinpointing a place on our desk’s for a replica trophy.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 DFrance21

    Stop reaching for a story. The fact of the matter is they’re winning games. Those that actually watch basketball know its a game of match ups and right now Wade has the favorable match up. In the bulls series, Lebron had the favorable match up and he was killing. How about the media talk about how Chalmers is coming off the bench hitting dagger 3s, or how Bosh hit 3 or 4 big shots in the fourth quarter to keep the game close?

  • AT33

    Yes, this is DWade’s team, not because he’s been there longer but because he’s brought Miami’s first championship to town and he’s about to bring them their second and most importantly he’s the best basketball player on the planet right now.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i think we’re seeing an ’08 dwade, not quite ’06, but still damn good.
    but as far as lebron goes, who cares. they won, right?
    but of course, winning is never really good enough, you gotta win how the fans want you to win.

  • tRay

    cosign airs if I was LeBron I wouldn’t care as long as we’re winning ball games.

  • samo

    dont say that wade’s only scoring because of a favorable matchup with kidd. Kidd guarded the crap out of kobe in the second round and took him out of his game. even mark jackson was saying yesterday that “kidd is still an elite defender” when he stripped bosh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel of Stern

    Lebron is gonna go off for 36+ next game just for all the haters

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    Lol, Eboy can taste blood. Can’t blame him, that was a close loss for either team to walk away with. If the Mavs play the rest of this series from behind…

  • bull22

    the BOTTOM line is, in the end neither can GROW with a TEAM or make others better… i can tell by the way many of you write, that you have not been watching this game a long-time… you want to see true leaders and greatness go back and watch bill russell,MJ,LARRY,MAGIC,KAREEM play and a list of others… otherwise if you did not see these players play, its simple CLAMUP…

  • D Rob

    Wasn’t Wade hurt during the Bulls series?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man some of you people are scary in your idiocy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    on vacay, but checking in here periodically. where’s barkley spewing his venom right now? he seems to show up only when we’ve lost. the bum.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    that’s some hilarious stuff, bull22 haha

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How can you argue that LeBron can’t grow with a team when he took a lottery team to 66 wins in like three or four years?
    WTF are you talking about?
    If anything, LeBron’s resume as a team builder in on par with ALL of the greats and his downfall was the lack of supporting cast when it came to winning rings.
    Every person you named outside of Larry Bird was KILLED for failing to lead his team at one point in his career. The fact that you don’t know this shows that you haven’t been watching ball long enough.
    Dammit, every day I see why Eboy goes so hard on cats. I thought he was tripping, but some of y’all just deserve it. If you want to criticize LeBron, that’ makes sense. He’s been passive and shooting too many jumpers and not making smart decisions in the clutch. But, I made the same complaints about Wade last series when Bogan and Brewer made his life a living hell.
    Jason Terry and Jason Kidd can’t guard Wade and it shows every game. Carilse is in a pickle because his best offensive lineups are not his best defensive lineups, while Miami doesn’t have that issue. It’s right in front of your faces.

  • Buccets714

    dwade = batman, bosh= robin, lebron = alfred!!!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i knew someone was gonna give it to bull22, unfortunately for him it was allenp, tsk.

  • Feez22

    I c there are a bunch of espn watchers in here. Whose team is it? Let me school some of y’all. In the Philly series, wade Lebron and bosh did equal. Bosh had his 2nd best series all playoffs. Wade and Lebron owned bosto with wade putting his imprint on the series by not only shutting Allen down but also scoring well. Lebron shut some Hagerstown up by helping to close 2 games. In the chi series it was Lebron/bosh dominating with wade playing like Garbage. Remember ppl? Remember Lebrons offensive and defensive closing that series? Remember bosh’s 24ppg on 60% shooting? Remember wades 18ppg on 41%? now its wades turn. Lebron and bosh aren’t playing particularly well. That means they are due for beast performances which means the mavs have NO CHANCE going forward. The heat are playing team ball with wade scoring. It’s all of their teams. Lebrons defense and playmaking make this tri-existing work. Let’s stop with the nonsense and talk about the real issue this game… Like how the refs tried their best to make Dallas win?

  • vmcb

    Wow, people are hating on LeBron. Sure, Wade has been playing great during these Finals, but it’d certainly be difficult to describe the Heat as either Wade’s or LeBron’s. Is everybody forgetting how well LeBron played against Chicago? It’s all about match-ups and Wade has the better one in these Finals.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Feez
    I don’t understand how these people can make some of these arguments. We all just watched the games, and it was EXACTLY like you said.
    Whoever had the best matchup dominated the series. That’s the problem when three of the best players in the league are on the same team. There are very, VERY few teams that can match up with them on defense, and score on them on offense. It’s why they joined forces. This is the Evil that was foreseen. Lol.

  • bull22

    @allenp, there is a big difference, larry bird went through his growing pains and failures but he never QUIT on his TEAM… one thing i learned from my OLD MAN, always quit complaining about you team and FINISH THE JOB…. thats what the NBA should be about!

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    I know the Shock Exchange pokes fun at Lebron a lot but dude earned my respect when he “mushed” that CBS reporter last night http://clicky.me/5XLq . Not in a million years would a reporter have asked Barkely something this ridiculous.

  • bull22

    the heat win, so what? big deal, everyone predicted monster nba ratings and so far, only best since 2004…. but was it not refreshing to hear dwight howard say, i dont want to be a follower, i want to get it done in orlando…..

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Larry Bird won a championship by his second year in the League.
    What growing pains are you discussing?
    Magic Johnson won a ring as a rookie. He played in the NBA Finals eight of his 10 years in the League. Magic also bogarted his way into L.A. by refusing to play for a garbage team, and threatened to leave if they didn’t get a new coach.
    Kareem played for a ring in his second or third year, and then spent the middle and twilight of his career competing for a ring.
    The only player to gut it out on a garbage team was Jordan.
    And as a sidekick he had one of the best small forwards of all-time and arguably the second best swingman of his generation.
    Your argument is trash. You’re just a hater. That is all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And Dwight made those comments as he refused to sign a contract extension that would have bound him to Orlando so he can in fact leave just like LeBron, Bosh and Melo did.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And listening to your old man makes you even stupider in adult’s eyes ’cause all that means is you have no first hand knowledge to speak about, so……..

  • ThaWindy

    Every game in every series is different. The Heat have a luxury that no other team has. Two HOF’s in their prime. I dont believe that LBJ had to come to Miami to win a ring. He didnt need another HOF and a all-star as “help”. Like Mike said, he wanted to beat the other HOF’s in his day not join them. But this is a new day. LBJ still had time in Ohio to get a ring and if West wasnt banging his moms he would have probably stayed.

  • Feez22

    Yup allenp. Btw bull22… Lebron may have quit that one game 5. However his team quit on him like no tomorrow before that g5 and in game 6. That support was garbage. It’s funny how people are so short minded… Kobe quit on his team in 07 by trying to get traded. What happened after that? His team afforded him with Gasol and he won 2 of the next 3 rings. Lebron never had a Pau Gasol caliber player in Cleveland. Keep it real. Lebron had to bolt that team. If Lebron went to the bulls you wouldnt be saying ANYTHING. that’s why I can’t take you seriously.

  • Showtime

    So Y in the SAM Hell Dwade is not First all NBA team??? Best shot blocker under 6’6 in history of guards. Right now not even close.Dwade>>>>>Kobe.

  • OvaChicken

    LOL at you hatas confused what to write about. Its Wades team of course, but Bron is the man in Miami.(i say that for fun but its true sometimes) & Bosh is the quiet warrior more than capable of shattering your little hearts in a minute . They all know they need each other in order to win it all & i love how theyre all taking turns is destroying while Dallas are relying on the pick & roll with the same guy too much, trying to figure out where the next shot is commin from. Its poetry in motion. Props to eboy & allenp for articulatin what i wanted to say. Hatas lay down & stay down, or wel put you down. :-) One !

  • bull22

    many of you are a bunch of fools, when lebron decided to turn his choice into the infamous jackarse decision, i turned on him… i felt rose was good enough to lead the team, iam not a bandwagon fan period.. alot of you behinds just dont like the fact that i dont suckup to lebron or any of you morons…..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    No one wants you to suck up to anyone. but you’re sucking out everyone else’s mental capacity when you make half-witted arguments with no bearing. You really can’t be in a Heat/Mavs argument as they fight for a title when the team you root for was basically a speed bump in the playoffs. That’s a hard reality YOU need to face. Not Heat, Lebron or good basketball fans in general.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    hate to break it to ya but, a lot of guys couldn’t stand you when you were sucking up to rose either, so it ain’t that.

  • Showtime

    @bull22 it not sucking but just being idiotic 4 peopleto hate on bron.Lebron is 1a. Dwade is 1b. it no other way to get around their the same type of player but the other just do one thing better. lebron is a better passer & facilitator to make other better.while dwad3 is a better killer/closer. & to quote Vin diesel “it not if u when by a little or by alot, a win is a win.”

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    if the heat win, can we get the old powder tossing, starting line up dance/handshake making bron back?
    but leave out that weird jerkin dance on the sideline thing, can do without that.

  • G Diesel

    I said before the finals begun that if the Heat win, D-Wade will be the Finals MVP because he has carried a team to a title before.
    You can say how Lebron closed the Bulls series, but the NBA Finals are a different animal.

  • bull22

    thats because BROTHER you cant argue cold-hard facts…. no one has given even the sligtest answer as to why the ratings are not off the wall or all time and only best since 2004 or some games even behind last years, LOL!!! THREE BIG BOZOS put together and hardly no one is watching….. yeah man you are right, half-witted arguments you genius…. thanks for the revelation mr all pro ball…

  • Conoro

    Wade is a better 4th quarter player than LeBron, it’s easy to see. LeBron is better throughout the first three quarters. However, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation were it not for Dirk Nowitzki’s teammates failing him. Miami won by two points solely based upon the failings of Jason Kidd, JJ Barea, and Jason Terry… It doesn’t matter what Wade did or James did not do, if Dallas is able to hit even several of the many wide-open shots afforded them by Miami’s gapping defense over the course of the series, then this entire subject will be irrelevant. Also: Los Angeles will dominate next season. HaHaHa

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    bull22……the ratings for these Finals are exceptional. You need to learn how to read. Keep doing you though. We’ll all keep laughing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Who cares who wins finals MVP? first the haters were about LeBron winning a title at all, now he won’t be validated till he wins finals MVP? — When did finals MVP become so important? Was Tony Parker more important to San Antonio then Tim Duncan when he won finals MVP? Was Kobe even deserving of it last year, or did he get it by putting up big numbers in losses and on name value alone? (oh and no matter who does win the finals MVP award, I’d be willing to bet whoever doesn’t, gets another chance in the very near future.)

  • bull22

    @airs, i have not been losing sleep over it brother… but i would take up for him or any player that works hard and stays loyal to his team, and i hope it stays that way, not just him but other franchise players..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    From the Sun Sentinel “America is totally hooked on the Heat and the Mavericks.

    Game three Sunday followed the trend established by games one and two. It was the highest rated program of the night, according to preliminary Nielsen ratings.

    The 11.1 preliminary rating (11.1 percent of all homes with TV were watching) from large metered markets was the second highest rated game three in seven years, again trailing only last year’s Boston-Los Angeles match-up, which drew an 11.5. (L.A. is the nation’s second biggest market; Boston is No. 7. Dallas is No. 5 but Miami-Fort Lauderdale is only No. 16).

    The NBA championship series is also a ratings bonanza for WPLG-Ch. 10. Game three attracted a 32.3 rating. Only Super Bowls do better. Dallas checked in at 25.6.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    so…if its the highest since 2004,
    that means it has beaten both LA vs. BOS finals.
    and “hardly no one is watching”.
    hrmmmm

  • bull22

    exceptional for stupid heat fans that want to overhype their team like the media….

  • OvaChicken

    Thats next season so , catch u then. :-) @bull22 , thats right Take it personal like GANGSTARR boy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Are you all really arguing about Finals ratings?
    Don’t fall for that. That is a sucker’s bet.
    People who judge importance based on popularity are idiots.

  • robb

    @AT33 how old are you? 16?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    It’s weird to me that some people can’t understand the crap LeBron will get if he doesn’t win Finals MVP. Look at KOBE, this guy has been getting sh*t everytime his 5 rings come up, because he wasn’t the MAN for the first 3. Shaq was the Finals MVP. Wasn’t Kobe pretty good back then? Hell yeah. Look, I don’t really care that much, Magic didn’t get all the Finals MVP’s for his championships. LeBron lovers better get ready for the sh*tstorm about LeBron being Robin when the Heat’s championship enters the discussion.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Great game by Wade. Almost makes you wonder how this cat couldn’t even lead his team out the first round sans Bosh and LeBron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    bull22….the simple solution would have been having your one man team beat the Heat in their series to have saved you the agony of watching a dynasty begin. But, your little MVP had his a*s handed to him and they’re home…just like you are….acting like you’ve been prison ra*ed. Get over it.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    ^ of course when I say Wade couldn’t lead his team out the first round, I mean during the post-Shaq era.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Jahmai LeBron is still “the man” in Miami. Finals MVP doesn’t dictate who the best player on a team is. Tony Parker, Dwyane Wade, Joe Dumars, Dennis Johnson, the eat player not winning it has happened before, it’ll happen again

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Jahmai LeBron is still “the man” in Miami. Finals MVP doesn’t dictate who the best player on a team is. Tony Parker, Dwyane Wade, Joe Dumars, Dennis Johnson, the best player not winning it has happened before, it’ll happen again

  • bull22

    anyone who takes this game personal on this site has some headcase issues (see EBOY because all he can do is curse people to make himself feel better) go see a shrink man if you got to use profanity to resolve your low self-esteem issues….

  • http://www.legendofmrpalmer.tumblr.com DP

    Can I comment?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i wouldn’t worry too much about this supposed ‘backlash’ bron would get by POSSIBLY not winning the finals mvp.
    im sure there will be to some extent, but will it be valid? psh, hell no.
    it might come as a surprise but before drose came to the bulls, i was a huge lbj fan. the decision happened and im over it and now he’s wrecking the league again. and as much as it pains meto say as a bulls fan, he’ll probably get another shot at a finals mvp. i imagine him and dwade alternating the award.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Wow you guys totally flamed bulls22 jeez.. I mean his argument was totally idiotic.. But at least he’s smarter than that AT33 guy… I mean I love wade but as good as Jordan? FOH

  • ThaWindy

    Lets get one thing clear. Bosh is Robin and LBJ and Wade are Batman!

  • bull22

    @airs, the only point is that these ratings are not the all-time gang busting ratings they were hyped up to be.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Don’t go in the deep end if you can’t swim.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Who hyped them up to be all-time gang busting ratings? No one. You keep making sh*t up to dumb down your dumbness.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    hmm, i see them kinda like the justice league.
    like, batman, the flash, and…uh..aquaman.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Aquaman?
    Damn, that’s evil.
    At least give that man the Green Lantern or something. Aquaman is the lamest superhero ever.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Did they post Doyel getting ethered by Bron yet?
    And yeah, it wouldn’t matter who’d be finals MVP between Wade and Bron. Both are doing their thing.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    And Doyel’s article afterwards sounds like a woman scorned…

  • Fat Lever

    People need to face facts, the Miami Heat are accomplishing what we(all non-Heat fans) didn’t want to happen, in their first year together. Some people just have blind hate for a player, and let that hate cloud their vision on what they’re witnessing. I can’t stand Lebron the perceived person, but as a player, he commands your attention. I find it interesting that a player of his skill level is content to let Wade do his thing when other superstars are so concerned about their image of alpha-dog that they implode their teams chances of winning just to prove a point. If it’s all about winning like you ALL say, then Lebron deserves his props. Can’t have it both ways. Well, unless you’re bi.

  • bull22

    @eboy , “dont go into the deepend”, dude stop taking yourself so serious and go see a shrink my brother, and its apparent you dont do much reading, LOL… well have your fun little one, its all good, hahahahahahhahhahahhahaha

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, I’d much rather talk about the game, which was well played and showed amazing heart by Dallas. Miami cannot crush this team, they refuse to be crushed. I love how they fight back.
    The problem is their best lineups have weaknesses that Miami can exploit. If you play Marion and Stevenson late, you have to wonder if you will get enough offense. If you play Terry or Barrea, you wonder if you can get enough defense. Kidd is only effective against certain matchups, and can’t handle Wade at 38.
    Dirk is a beast offensively, but when the Heat force him to be a passer, it shows the limitations of his teammates and of him.
    Personally, I thought they had great success last game when Dirk caught the rock on the move instead of at a stand still. He was killing Haslem and Bosh when they were trying to recover to him and he was already moving in another direction. I expect to see more of that next game. I don’t remember them running that double screen for Terry as much, which is effective. Also, as Van Gundy noted, the Dallas bigs have to make better decisions about what they are going to do at the rim. And Dallas has to be more crisp on its passes and use backdoor cuts to punish Miami for overplaying them.
    I still expect it to got six or seven and Dallas has a good shot to win. But they are going to have to stretch themselves to the limit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    bull22,when you’re done with highschool in about 6 years, we’ll be waiting for you to get your mind right.

  • truballer

    At the end of day who cares whos team it is!!.. lebron,wade and bosh are great we’ve seen either of them take over games… lebron had 17 points and 9 dimes near double double an runs the point!, his defense was crazy nobodys watching that i guess!.., its a team effort theres no i in the word team.., heat in 6!

  • AD

    cosign Fat Lever….. Lebron def deserves props even tho he’s doin wat he supposed to do. but after miami wins,I dnt see why DWade can’t be compared to Jordan or cant be better than Jordan after his career is done. lEBRON AND DWADE are both better than Pippen giving them more of a sacrifice than Jordan. Think About it………….. Esp with another star……

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    From the AP about Game 1 ratings: “MIAMI — Game 1 of the Miami Heat-Dallas Mavericks matchup in the NBA Finals generated a 10.7 overnight rating on ABC, the most for an opening game in the league’s title series since 2004.

    The network said that’s up 3 percent over the numbers generated by Game 1 of the Los Angeles Lakers-Boston Celtics meeting in the Finals last year, and up 15 percent over the opener of the Heat-Mavericks series in 2006.

    Miami was the highest-rated metered market with a 31.9 rating, up 28 percent over Game 1 of the 2006 Finals. Dallas (29.9) was the market watching second-most, followed by West Palm Beach, San Antonio, Memphis, New Orleans and Cleveland — the city where LeBron James spent his first seven seasons.

    Ratings represent the percentage of all homes with televisions tuned into a program. Overnight ratings represent the nation’s largest markets.”

  • mike

    Since when did Magic Johnson only play 10 seasons in the league…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    okay aquaman was kinda harsh.
    fine he can be the green lantern, i SUPPOSE

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Thor, Captain America and Iron Man are infinitely cooler than any of those guys.

  • AQWORD

    Go Heat ! just testing. ish ain’t postin. it’s too sic

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He played 12, I think. My fault on that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    If the Heat bring in a good center, maybe get Greg Oden on the cheap and then watch him stay healthy, and then if Mario Chalmers improves by a lot, they can be the Miami S.H.I.E.L.D.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think just a year of playing together, and some better offensive sets will be equally effective.
    A center is important, but they are probably going to close with Haslem and Bosh in most games to give Bron and Wade more room to operate with drives. Plus, isn’t Portland going to offer Oden like $8 million? Miami can’t match that at all.
    Does anybody else wonder how Juwan Howard beat out Biz Z for minutes? I know I do.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Wow, $8 million?
    Like, the contract would be worth $8 million total, or it starts out at $8 million for the first year?
    Cause if it’s the latter, I gotta question Portland’s front offi…nevermind, no I don’t.
    Cause it’s Portland.

  • irondan21

    Would be awkward if the Heat win, Bron goes for 35 that game, but Wade still gets the Finals MVP.

  • Mark2307

    @bull22 I can’t understand why u would spend your time looking at ratings??? Weird!! Guess u got too much time on your hands. And for the record no one has ever won a ring on their own and LeBron would have stayed with the cavs if they could have attracted the help he needed

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I heard the same as Allen, Portland gonna be willing to give Oden 6 to 8 million a year.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I don’t like that at all for Portland.
    He’s played in 82 games out of a possible 328 thus far.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    A plethora of raw, course, harsh emotion AND feeling permeates through the lines this afternoon. It is refreshing.
    The final goal is nigh, my brethren. For both teams. (mainly the “Kingsmen”) The smell of the booty (jewelery) is ever so real AND general.
    Dirk Nowitzki, win or lose, has cemented his legacy as one of the best players to ever play in the NBA. This is is common fact. What he has pulled off shall forever quiet his naysayers concerning his clutch.
    And, The King… well, he is THE KING.
    Remarkably consistent and steady all season, considering the circumstances.
    D. Wade is playing some of the guttiest ball of his entire career. He’s been through too much over the last couple of years to let this slip, it seems. One can see the wear, and stress in his eyes.
    Bosh looked a little in over his head a bit, and he has this entire series in my opinion. But that final jump shot should be of the proper remedy for him for the rest of this series. Maybe he’ll even have a better game the next time around.
    After the game, as they were walking off the floor, Bosh can be seen being still intense, as if he was still reveling in the moment of what was the biggest shot of his career.
    Spoelstra was solid, I thought.
    This is the greatest game ever, this basketball…

  • Fat Lever

    Um, Gasol was the real Finals MVP last year, but Kob won it by name recognition. Finals MVP has become a pseudo popularity contest.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And Allen, Earvin has been to the Finals 9 times.
    But your point is taken.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Nine times in the finals?
    Man, I hope he never took it for granted, cause many players never even make it once.

  • Fat Lever

    Wouldn’t it be funny if The Philosopher was Dan Gilbert?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    LMAO @Fat Lever

  • JTaylor21

    The only problem I have with the win last night is Slostra’s refusal to run the ever deadly 2/3 PnR. Every time MIA has gone to that play down the stretch in the playoffs it produces a guaranteed basketball but somehow Slostra refuses to use it through out the game and chooses to “save” it for special occasions. What other special occasions are there besides the freaking NBA Finals?

  • Cool Dude

    Wouldn’t this be similar to 02 NBA finals, when Kobe carried the Lakers through the playoffs, hitting clutch shot after clutch shot and taking over sorta like Lebron was doing the previous 2 series, and Wade plays a much more statistically impressive series in the finals because of a favorable match up?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think it’s interesting that the dominant storyline is how Dirk isn’t getting any help, although he got some help in Game 2, and how everybody acknowledges that it’s almost impossible to beat a talented team when your a superstar doing it alone.
    I say that because this problem has plagued Dirk for years, and because he all know it plagued LeBron, Wade and Bosh to a lesser extent.
    It’s like people are willing to ignore reality if it doesn’t allow them to say what they want to say when they want to say it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I would argue it plauged LeBron even more, not to a lesser extent.
    For me personally, I understood why Bron chose to team up with them in Miami, but didn’t care for the way he handled it.
    Plus there was that initial anger at him for not picking the Bulls, but I’m over that now.
    Now it’s all about shipping Boozer’s a$$ out!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, it plagued Bosh to a lesser extent. Wade and Bron had the same sort of issues as Dirk.
    For the past few years Dirk has been getting killed because he was losing early, even though his numbers were bananas.
    I just think it’s weird that sometimes not having help as seen as a justified explanation, but then other times it’s not. Does anybody really believe that this Mavericks team is less talented than those old Cleveland teams?
    And this Mavs team is without two of its best players in Caron Butler and Roddy. It would be a totally different series with Caron playing and Marion coming off the bench exclusively.
    People get sucked into dominant storylines and lose the ability to think clearly. It’s saddening.

  • Dagger

    It’s sad for me that people are more willing to nitpick over useless questions like “whose team is it” than enjoy the sight of the generation’s two best players playing great, unselfish basketball together on both sides of the court. Really the debate about “who’s the alpha dog” shows everything that’s wrong about American professional basketball today. And don’t even get me started about the whole “Wade or Lebron is the next Pippin” business. Pip was my favourite player growing up; it’s sad people forget about his greatness because Michael was the GOAT.

  • JTaylor21

    Can we stop with all the Dirk/Bird comparisons, please? I seriously can not find one thing that Dirk does better than Bird, not one. Bird’s the better shooter, scorer, passer, rebounder, defender, leader, and clutch player. Bird’s one of the greatest all-around players of all-time while Dirk is nothing but a great 7 footer than can shoot and occasionally rebound the ball.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    “I’m so sick of people comparing Dirk to Bird. In fact, I’m so sick of it I’M going to compare the two in hopes it sparks more debate on the subject!!”

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    JTaylor21:
    If one sees a similarity or similarities between two players, does that not merit a comparison?
    If a player cannot do something better than another player, then there shall be no comparison between said players at all?

  • ThaWindy

    As a Chicago fan I could care less that LBJ didnt come to tha city. Though I do I feel he should have stayed with Ohio. For the same reason Im upset with Wade. Wade had a chance to come HOME and play with Rose and he passed. I think Wade and Rose could have won some rings. Just like LBJ and Bosh could probably get some in Ohio too. Best friends going at it to see who’s the best instead of a team up. But that was my dream.
    LeBron James is just the best player since Jordan. Theres nothing he cant do on a court. You name it and he will excellence at it. HE likes to brag about both ends of the court. Mike is just the standard of what baskeball exellence is measured.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Smh

  • Mr. Robinson

    i think that jtaylor21 is about to get clowned again.

  • flash

    i still don’t get it why kobe is 1st team over wade.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I think too much is made out of Wade turning down having the opportunity to go home and play for the Bulls.
    For one, dude can go home in the offseason, when the weather’s nice in the Chi anyways.
    And also, I mean, there’s no doubt Wade loves Chicago with all his heart, but come on. We’re talking about Miami here!
    It’s like when I was stationed in Okinawa and people would ask me if I missed living in Chicago.
    I mean, have y’all ever seen pictures of Okinawa? I was 20 years old, living in a 2,500 square foot condo overlooking the ocean.
    Did I miss Chicago?
    Nah.

  • JTaylor21

    Philosopher, so just because harold minor could jump like MJ, we should automatically compare him to MJ? Just because Dirk’s white and can shoot like Bird doesn’t mean dude is as good as Bird.

  • JTaylor21

    Speak up, felinae.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    And you really can’t blame Wade for choosing Bosh and Bron over Rose.
    I mean, Rose was coming off his second season averaging 20 and 6. You knew he was gonna be good, but no one had any idea how good he’d be. We still don’t.
    Bosh and Bron were a sure thing. They had 7 years of solid play already.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    JTaylor don’t act stupid you understand damn well what comparisons make sense and which don’t. U just want to argue, which is why you coomplained about a dirk bird comparison and then proceeded to compare them anyway, just so you can argue one way or the other

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That sounds like a nice pad. What was the rent like Rigo?

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    @ThaWindy I think it looks good on paper, but a back court of Wade and Rose is small and lacking a shooter. They can both shoot, but neither of them is a consistent threat to make doubling on the perimeter necessary – they’re both slashers, especially Rose. It’s much easier to close in on a 6’3″ and 6’4″ combo, than it is Lebron and Wade. If one of them were on, then yeah, it’s just better offense vs defense but I think Chicago needs a bigger 2-guard. With Wade, they’d obviously be better than the Warriors, but that’s the type of offense I think you’d see…Fun on 2k11, but a tough matchup when they face big guards.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    im still hopin bulls can ship out boozer for like dwight and gil.
    if drose is batman, boozer is freakin alfred.

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    Boozer is more like Jason Todd after the Joker blew him up.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    1982
    How many big guards in the League would give Rose and Wade problems?
    I thought about it, considering their talent levels, and came up with none.
    They are that elite talent wise.

  • JTaylor21

    Look who’s arguing. Dude is more gullible than a 15yr old using the internet for the first time. On second thoughts, dude is probably 15……

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Ayo cosign allenp tho… I def. Heard some chi fans say rose doesn’t have even help…then clown bron for going to Miami.. And let’s keep it real..this Dallas team is wayy better the cleaveland teams

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    JTaylor21:
    I’ll say this;
    Harold Minor could not jump like Michael Jordan for, Minor was strictly a two legged leaper. A better comparison for Minor would be Jason Richardson.
    And, I do not recall anyone saying that Dirk is as good as Bird. They just have some of the same similarities. You don’t see any other similarity between Bird and Dirk outside of shooting?
    Dirk can handle the ball. Especially in his younger days.
    He can rebound. He plays a little defense. He’s big. He has a fade away.
    Oh, and to your other point you know, about how Dirk can’t do anything better than Bird.
    Dirk is an equal, if not better, shot blocker than Joe Bird.
    But…

  • ThaWindy

    I can understand that but like I said my dream. I wish we would have got Melo but he wanted to go HOME.I cant be mad at that. PLus you live on the road during the season! Live in SB doing the summer. Growing up on the Southside, cold winters on the court will make a man outta ya! Shooting money ball! It’s okay, if he comes to Chicago maybe Rose is not the youngest MVP? So at the end they do what they believe is best. I know Rose can bring one to the City!

  • JTaylor21

    Philo, I understand where you’re coming from but I don’t see how doing one thing similar to another player, makes them similar. Yes, Dirk’s almost as good a shooter as Bird but that’s the only skill Dirk is remotely close to Bird in. I mean Bird was 2-3 inches shorter than Dirk yet the man was a better rebounder. He’s 3 times the passer and Bird never struggled against physical defense like Dirk has in the past. I would understand if the media say something like “Oh, Dirk shoots like Bird” but it’s when they are comparing the two without bringing up other aspects, that’s what grinds my gears. I never was a big Legend fan until Jukai put me up on game and I began studying bird a little closer and I saw that no forward today (even Bron) can match his all-around greatness.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Allen – Sorry, it wasn’t 2,500 square feet, it was about 2,000.
    My rent was $2,500 a month. But the military footed the bill so it was all good. And the dollar to yen conversion rate was so much more favorable back then.
    And I think Boozer is like a lame, LAME version of Two-Face.
    For various reasons. The way he dipped out on Cleveland was two-faced, and you never know which Boozer you’re gonna get. The good scorer and rebounder horrible defender Booz or the sh*tty, injury-proned, non-productive horrible defense Booz.

  • ThaWindy

    @airs: lol

    @allenp: Thank you.

    @datkid: Like I said LBJ and Bosh in Ohio. Bron doesnt need Wade to win a title is my point. If he couldnt win one for Ohio with Bosh then that tells a different story about how good he really is. Him going to Miami is about making a sh*t load of money more than winning titles imo.

  • Conoro

    Why don’t people point out that Miami won by TWO POINTS while Dallas – Nowitzki being the exception – collectively played like D-League call-downs?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Bron turned down money to play in Miami.
    I mean, I know there’s no sales tax in Florida and all that, but had he gone to New York or Chicago dude coulda made MAD bank in endorsment opportunities and whatnot.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Ok I can sorta cosign that @thawindy

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    I know nothing of what I speak, Taylor. I only idolize Larry because he’s white.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    You are right about how “there will never be another Bird…”
    They just have a few (more than one) similarities. They really do in a practical sense.
    Shooting.
    Rebounding.
    Bird is a better defender, but Dirk defends people.
    Ball handling.
    But again, no one is saying that Dirk is better than Bird, or ever will be better than Bird. Or, that he is even as good as Bird. It’s just that Bird was the first real big man to do what he does. Dirk brings back some of those visions because of the things aforementioned.
    And I also agree, The King is not better than Bird, either.
    Did anyone say that The King is better than Larry? If they did… wow.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    What Allen said @ 11:29

  • @Deknowz

    D-Wade has stuffed ponies in his living room.

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    Allenp, Good point. I thought about that too before posting. I guess if the main scoring threats were Wade and Rose, I’d expect defensive SF’s to come D up, like Ariza with Paul, Denver has JR and Afflalo, Utah has Raja Bell and Harris. I was originally thinking of match ups with teams with taller guards like Orlando (Gil, JRich, QRich), Boston (Rondo’s shorter, Ray Allen is an offensive problem, not a defensive one), with the Mavs it’d be Kidd and Deshawn. Houston is Kevin Martin and a 6′ Lowry. But in the end, You’re right, they’d cause more problems than they would face, kind of like AI back in the day. (But I still don’t think they’d be as effective as they look on paper, but just IMO). I just think There are enough Shane Battiers, Ron Artests…

  • ThaWindy

    @Rigo: I just believe Miami ranks higher in market value then Cleveland. Like Naoh said, I never heard anyone say they wanted to vacation in Cleveland. There’s more han one way to skin a cat. Though I only know one.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Larry Bird was 6’9″ and played SF more then anything, why is he being called a bigman? Magic Johnson was a 6’9″ pg in the exact same era. Bird was essentially Kevin Durant with LeBron’s passing ability and a whole different knack for rebounding and hustle plays.

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, I too only idolize Bird because dude was white. Oh, wait…..I’m black.
    Where is Malcom X when you need him? I’m cheering for the wrong team!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Barkley was a big man, too. 6’4 1/2″.
    So was Hakeem. 6’10 1/2″.
    So was Karl Malone. 6’9″.
    All of those players had different styles. But, they were big.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    That’s the fugazi Jukai.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    All those guys played bigman positions Philo. Bird played the wing, he was just tall and smart, so he put up bigman rebounding numbers. I mean he played some PF but not enough to ever be considered a bigman.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    *bigman in terms of play style/position. He’s obviously a big human being

  • http://fivemag.de Speedy

    Cosign Conoro.
    And definitely Cosign Dagger.
    Some of the truest words ever spoken on this side.
    I Just read this discussion here and wanted to write the same.
    I mean how can you argue about who is more important on the heat after you saw all the playoffs and have a at least partly functionating brain .
    They wouldn’t be where they are if they wouldn’t play together.

  • http://fivemag.de Speedy

    One last point.I said this a few weeks back.
    BULL 22 is ignorant and stupid and a hater.
    This came from a guy that doesn’t like LeBron but knows the game.

  • T-Money

    i’ve enjoyed nba basketball more in the last month because i’ve decided to completely block the noise. i don’t read or watch whitlock, simmons, bayless or woj (still follow woj on twitter only for the scoops). i also refuse to engage in any discussion about who’s “batman and robin” (skip is playing ya’ll) and what one single game means for the legacy of players that are not even halfway into their careers (as if!). you will figure out how stupid this all is once you realize that writers who kill wade or bron when they defer in crunch time are the same writers who criticize them when they go into “hero mode”. they’re playing ya’ll for column hits.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Bird played the four initially in his career from what I understand. He moved to the three for McHale’s sake. Look at his numbers compared to Maxwell and it’s clear who was the “big” in that tandem.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    T-Money’s on point.

  • Dagger

    JTaylor: you don’t have to denigrate Dirk to praise Bird. Dirk’s an amazing basketball player – an all-timer at his position – it’s just that Bird was much more complete. As far as scoring: granted, Bird’s better, but in my opinion Dirk has a more unstoppable shot. I’m not usually one to diminish the importance of race, but the fact that so many people can even think about comparing the two as scorers has less to do with skin colour and more to do with their similar styles of excellence. They’re two tall guys who move surprisingly well for their size and can score from anywhere on the court, especially in the clutch.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    The Silver Surfer!!! The coolest superhero ever! 2nd Iron Man, 3rd Wolverine (the perfect antihero!), The GhostRider, Krom…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Why do I have to look at numbers? wth are those going to show me other then that Bird was a better player? Was LeBron a bigman in cleveland? his stats would tell you he was. Was Bird also the back up point guard? he was 2nd in assists too. McHale came to Boston in 1980, its not like Larry had to wait for very long for him anyway. (Bird always outrebounded McHale but your not gonna tell me he was the bigman there) Bird was the best rebounding SMALL FORWARD in NBA history. Elgin Baylor and him are the only wings to average over 10 boards a game for their career. The key word there is wings.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rigo, you see the article on TrueHoop about Corey Brewer?

  • JTaylor21

    Word, Bird was a forward who played mostly in the low post and mid-range area. He rarely ventured out to the perimeter like other SFs did, the only time being was when his team needed a 3.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Larry’s rookie year Maxwell started at the other forward, with Dave Cowens at center. I don’t know who guarded PF’s but I would be willing to bet it was Maxwell. Judging by Cowens being an over the hill defender at that point, and Bird being so important offensively, I bet Maxwell was used to guard the opposing teams best post scorer, he outblocked Bird and still averaged 8.8 rebounds (generally the guy scoring the best post scorer will get the lest % of the rebounds, if that’s not obvious). Offensively it’s completely clear by the stats who was the PF and who was the SF, Maxwell shot over 60% from the field, led the team in offensive rebounds, didn’t attempt a single 3, while Bird put up 17 shots a game at 47%, shot over a 3 a game, and led the team in scoring, but only averaged 2.5 offensive rebounds a game,which when coupled with his below 50% shooting would imply that most his shots are taken away from the hoop, and not in the same area that would be used by a PF in the same era of the league.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And taylor, nobody shot a ton of 3′s back then. Nobody. The 3pt line was brand new, and shooting was never at a premium before that time. Mid Range shots made up the majority of attempts from all perimeter positions. Bird would probably be more of a power forward in todays NBA then he was 25+ years ago.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Nah, can’t access it at work.
    What’s it about?

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Shout out @ my main man The Philosopher, t’as l’air en forme vieux brethen…

  • JTaylor21

    Well, I must be Ray Charles’ long lost son because I’ve seen bird launch 3s like it was nothing but hey, what do I know.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    How good Brewer is defensively, and how he should be playing in Stojakovic’s minutes. And Taylor, Birds highest attempted season at 3 are – 3.3 in 1990-91 (which is a good amount, but that’s 1991 when his back as almost done), he had 5 seasons of over 2 attempts, and 3 total of more then 3 per game. in 85-86 Bird led the league in 3pt attempts at 2.4 attempted per game. Compare that to today, the league leader in 3pt attempts, Dorrell Wright – 6.3 3ptAPG. (FOr the record, in 1986 a “bigman” that led the league in 3pt attempts would have caused some kind of meltdown in basketball fundamentals)

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    People from the Chi seems 2 be either very cool n passionate dudes (Rigo, airs, Thawindy) even Twista, Common, Obama… Or stuborn hard haided “morons” (BC, bull22, The Yeezy of late)…
    Maybe it’s the cold…

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I see, this is going back to that twitter convo we had with BC, huh?
    JTaylor, you know blindness isn’t heriditary, right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I was wrong, I had some bad information on Maxwell.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out @the good brother, The Fresh Prince of Nsam!
    @Nbk:
    If Bird would be more of a PF in today’s game, that would make him “big”, no? What was the difference back then?
    And, in Bird’s day, there were guys 6’7″ playing center. Bird was big. Especially for what he can do.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Hey Rigo, what happened on twitter??

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Just a convo we had on there about Corey Brewer

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Ok im a Lakers fan so i watched every game last year, 1-7. Can someone please help me understand how Gasol was tha MVP instead of Kobe. Cus from watching those games tha only bad game Kobe had was 7. He beasted tha whole series, almost like he did against Orlando

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Philo I think we misunderstood one another. I meant, like bigman as in a position on the court, you have setup guy (point guards generally) wings (sg’s & sf’s) and bigmen (Pf’s and Centers) that was where my “Larry Bird should never be considered a bigman” stance came from. In todays NBA Bird would be playing a whole different position then he was in Boston, he would be a stretch 4, but he didn’t/doesn’t play in this era so we can’t call him that. He was a 3/small forward, every single year of his career. That’s where I was coming from. — And yeah Rigo that Corey Brewer thing was about that twitter convo. An elephant never forgets. (i’m an elephant in that way)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Tae – I don’t know if you really did watch the games then. Kobe shot was 41% in wins in that series? I don’t remember, I laid it all out in the comment section one day, Gasol led LA in shooting %, rebounds, and assists, in every single Laker win. He was the only laker that was efficient and consistent, but only in wins. Kobe was clearly the best player in the series as a whole, but he did the majority of his damage in losing efforts. Which IMO doesn’t make someone the “most valuable,” its the guy who performs the best that contributes most to his teams victories. Which in that series was Gasol

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    Guys, just relax, there’s good news— Isiah isn’t returning to the Knicks. Everything is well.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nbk:
    Maybe you are right.
    I always figured that if you are 6’9″ who rebounds, makes hustle plays, does the dirty work, guards players who are the same size or bigger, and plays mainly in the low post, then you are big.
    I always figured guards are traditionally small. Forwards – centers were traditionally big. Even if not in size. I could be wrong.
    Today’s game is indeed different.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Well, in today’s game we have a 6’6 man playing center and guarding 7 footers too: Chuck Hayes.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Or as Shaq calls him, “Chuck Hayes’ wild ass”.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I guess at the end of the day, when you are Larry Bird, you are big. Just not “big” in the traditional sense to some. He did things that a traditional big man does. This is indeed true. But he did things that a traditional big man doesn’t do as well, to this day.
    Not to beat a dead horse, but one more time, Joe Bird was a big man.
    The very first of his kind.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Yeah we both know this argument is remedial lol, bird was great, no matter how you define him.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    Would Bird definitely be a stretch four, or would it depend on the makeup of the team, who the team has defensively and offensively at the three and four position for that decision to be made?
    I’ll give you a hint, it’s the latter.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Idk I guess if he played on a team that goalie didn’t care about guarding the most deadly players on the league he’d play the 3. But athletically and physically, today, with weight lifting & the way players train, I’m pretty sure he’d be a 4. But you are probably right, there are likely to be situations where he’d be a small forward. The league being so much more defensive, perimeter orienteD today makes me believe that would be the case only occasionally.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    really*. Autospell strikes again with goalie, ironic in it’s own special way.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    NBK: I mean, if you had Blake Griffin on your team, Bird would be a three. If you had Lebron on your team, Bird would play the four.
    It’s not like Bird didn’t go up against his share of hyperathletic threes in his day: Wilkins, Worthy, King… they all are athletic in today’s standard but Bird guarded them well-enough (it helps to have McHale and Parish making up for your mistakes, of course). Which brings up the other point that you’re thinking too much about isolation defense. If you got some good help defense on your team, you don’t have to worry about those mismatches as much.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    But I’ll also give you that for the majority of teams, Bird would be a four. I just don’t know if that’s 55% or 85%.

  • http://excite B Brown

    I tried to watch the game last nite; but after watching Dallas yawn, jump up, turn their heads, and or talk to each other during the national atem. What is wrong with these guys they make big money from our country and they can’t even place their hand on their heart during this song.

  • Ken mav fan

    Ay…the heat lost…

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