Tuesday, June 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm  |  40 responses

Euros: A Risky Investment

Should teams should steer clear of Europeans in the First Round?

TIER 4: Slightly Better Than Horrible

Vladimir Radmanovic – Warriors – Yugoslavia – Drafted 12th Overall in 2001 by the Super Sonics

Radmanovic peaked pretty low and pretty early in his career, averaging above 9 points in all of his second through sixth seasons in the League. Recently he’s been even worse, though to his credit, he played in 74 games for the Warriors this season, but was limited to less than 16 minutes per game. For the record, Richard Jefferson was taken just one slot after him.

Sasha Pavlovic – Celtics – Serbia and Montenegro – Drafted 19th Overall in 2003 by the Jazz

Pavlovic has been lucky enough to spend most of his career on really good teams, but he’s pretty bad. His career-high in scoring is 9 points per game back in ’06-07 alongside LeBron, but for someone considered to be a primarily a scorer, that’s bad news. He surfaced on the Mavs, Hornets and Celtics this year, but is nothing more than a reserve player, backing up the backup’s backups. He’s about as bad as a player could be without qualifying for the dreaded fifth tier.

Bostjan Nachbar – Last Played For Nets – Yugoslavia – Drafted 15th Overall in 2002 by the Rockets

Nachbar looked like he was on track for a pretty poor career before producing with the Nets for a couple seasons in ‘06-07 and ‘07-08. He averaged nearly 10 points and 4 boards per game both of those seasons, and also proved to be a pretty solid shooter, averaging 1.4 threes per game between the two seasons. He eventually left to play in Turkey, but was the sixth man on 2006 Nets’ team that won 49 games before being bounced by the eventual champion, Miami Heat. In my book, that keeps him out of the bottom tier.

TIER 5: Each NBA GM Should Have A List Of These Guys On Their Fridge

Oleksiy Pecherov – Timberwolves (Sort Of) – Ukraine – Drafted 18th Overall in 2006 by the Wizards

Pecherov stayed in the Ukraine for a year after being drafted before coming to the Wizards in 2007. He was shipped to Minnesota after the 2009 season where he played an unproductive year and promptly bolted to play ball in Europe. He averaged 4 points and 2.5 rebounds in his brief NBA stint.

Fran Vazquez – Never Played – Spain – Drafted 11th Overall in 2005 by the Magic

Yikes. Vazquez was taken just a pick after Andrew Bynum (who might end up on the Magic anyway), and hasn’t exactly put up similar numbers. He did average 8 points and 4.5 boards last season, but, unfortunately for Orlando, he did it with Barcelona.

Yaroslav Korolev – Russia – Last Played For Clippers – Drafted 12th Overall in 2005 by the Clippers

Imagine how mad the Clippers must have been when Orlando grabbed Fran Vazquez just a pick ahead of them! It’s almost as bad as MJ going one pick ahead of the Mavs, who ultimately took Sam Perkins in 1984… Actually, the Clippers ended up doing pretty well for themselves, as Korolev scored 39 points over two seasons in the NBA compared to Vazquez’s goose egg.

Zarko Cabarkapa – Last Played For Suns – Serbia and Montenegro – Drafted 17th Overall in 2003 by the Suns

Just when you think it’s impossible to one-up Darko, Zarko comes along the very same year. Cabarkapa played sparingly for the Suns before getting shipped to Golden State in the middle of his second season. He failed to impress on either team and now plays… elsewhere.

Nikoloz Tskitishvili – Last Played For Suns – Georgia – Drafted Fifth Overall in 2002 by the Nuggets

Nikoloz is lucky that Darko came along in ’03, to say the least. The Nuggets seriously reached to grab Tskitishvili in ‘02, in a draft that ended up producing Nene, Amar’e Stoudemire, Caron Butler and Dan Dickau in the first round. Is it easy to imagine the sort of unlimited potential the Nuggets would have had if they took Dickau instead of Tskitishvili? Sure. But that’s not what I’m here to do. Despite playing his first two seasons for the Nuggets, Tskitishvili impressively played for five teams over his four-year career, and ultimately ended up with the Knicks, although he never actually stepped on the court for them.

Jiri Welsch – Last Played For Bucks – Czech Republic – Drafted 16th Overall in 2002 by the 76ers

Jiri was traded to Golden State on draft day and after an unsuccessful rookie campaign found himself on the Celtics. There he actually played pretty well, averaging 9.2 points and 3.7 assists in his first season with Boston. But it was all downhill from there, as he never hit the 8-ppg mark again. He’s currently playing in Spain and, assuming I read the league’s site correctly, is averaging 5.5 points per game.

Caution: If You’re A Pistons Fan, Do Not Continue Reading

TIER 6: Darko

Darko Milicic – Timberwolves – Yugoslavia – Drafted Second Overall in 2003 by the Pistons

Milicic is probably the biggest bust of all time considering the Draft he was in, and is hands-down the worst pick on this list. Detroit took him right in-between LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade, and while he can’t be blamed for that, the rest is on him.

He played just three seasons for the Pistons, and failed to average 2 points or 1.5 boards in any of them. He went on to Orlando where he played respectable ball for a couple of seasons, averaging around 8 and 5 per game. He continued the decent play for a couple of seasons in Memphis, and wound up on the Knicks to start the ’09-10 season. He was simply a bench warmer in New York, but rediscovered his mediocre talent in Minnesota about two-thirds into that same season. There, he averaged 8.3 points and 5.5 boards in 24 games and somehow got a four-year contract worth a whopping $20 million from Minnesota and the, um, “interesting” mind of GM David Kahn.

TIER 7: The Jury’s Still Out…

Ricky Rubio – Timberwolves – Spain – Drafted Fifth Overall in 2009 by the Timberwolves

Weirdly enough, the TWolves took Rubio and fellow point guard Jonny Flynn with consecutive picks in 2009, and so far, neither has really worked out for them. Let’s focus on Rubio. The 18-year-old (at the time of the Draft) unsurprisingly had no interest in leaving his hometown to come play for a consistently horrible team in a really cold city. Finally, it seems that we’ll get our look at Rubio in the NBA next season, as he has officially signed on with the Timberwolves and will be playing with them as soon as the lockout is lifted. His numbers in Spain this season (around 6 points per game on 32 percent shooting to go along with 4 assists) are far from impressive, but draftniks have advised to ignore the numbers and just focus on his game. I’m no so sure.

So it’s clear there have been more than a few busts over the past decade. By my count, only three of the 16 players (excluding Rubio) have really panned out, leaving 13 with unsuccessful pro careers. The question is: Are European players worth the roll of the dice, or are teams best off playing it safe?

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  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    It’s true Europeans haven’t made much noise since Pau. But I have a feeling that’s about to change.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    I’ll probably be grilled for saying this, but I think Darko deserves to be at least in Tier 4. He may be a bust but he can block shots with the best of them.

  • MikeC.

    @niQ – I agree with you. Darko is labeled as a bust simply because of who was drafted after him. That’s not his fault. Sure, he’s a mediocre talent, but like Kwame Brown, he’s getting killed for where he was drafted and the expectations that go with that instead of just looking at what he does and accepting it. Darko is a starting center in the NBA, or a backup on a good team. That says more about the lack of quality centers in the NBA than it does about Darko’s talent.

  • orlando woolridge

    Thabo was actually drafted by the 76ers and traded to the Bulls.

  • Bobbo

    maybe next time you can do a similar story on the ACC or Big East.

  • Filipe

    First, Dirk success this year has zero to do with euro guys in this year’s draft. Except for Byiombo (and the USC center) everyone of the foreign guys picked in the first round this year was always expected to be first rounders. Actually a year ago Draft Express 2011 mock looked like this:
    1) Harrison Barnes
    2) Perry Jones
    3) Jonas Valanciunas
    4) Jan Vesely
    5) Kirye Irving

    It’s very lazy journalism to pretend there were a cause and effect between Diek and Valanciunas/Kanter/Vesely. What happened this year is that 2 guys (Vesely and Montiejunas) who were supposed to go out last year didn’t and that made the foreign group this season stronger which combined with too many NCAA prospects waiting an extra year to declare ended up with too many foreign guys in the top 10.

    Second you played pretty fast and loose with facts in your research. Since 96 (when foreign players start to be regularly drafted) thre were 11 players that didn’t play in either NCAA or US High School picks on the top 10:
    3 All Stars (Dirk, Pau and Yao)
    3 Quality starters worth a top 10 pick (Nene, Gallinari and Bargnani)
    2 bench guys (Darko, Yi)
    2 busts so awful they were out of the league after their rookie contracts (Skita and Sene)
    The 11th was Rocky Rubio 2 years ago.

    So 30% all stars, 30% starters, 20% end of rotation types, 20% horrible busts, does this look very diferent from an average draft top 10?

    The thing is so few foreign guys are picked high we put to much value o the bad picks (its not unluccky how Jimmer has to turn like Morrison istead of Kevin Love). Sene is an awful pick, so were Patrick O Bryant, Darko at #2 is awful, he gonna still have a longer NBA career than Stromile Swift, On the average NBA scouting get it right probably at a similar pace weather the guy played in the Big East, in the WAC, in Spain, High School or South America. It’s imperfect and it misses a lot, it does it to every type of player. I could write pretty much the same post if the original was about how Kemba Walker would fail because too many NCAA starts that lead there teams to Final Four fail.

  • http://jsdklfl.com Jukai

    I haven’t even read this article, but the picture alone is awesome for it

  • Bash

    One thing I think is over looked when talking about the impact of non-american players in the NBA are the cultural & language barriers that have to be confronted. How much harder is it to contribute to a team and develop relationships and understanding with team mates when there is a legitimate communication breakdown. I bet if you asked any americans who have played overseas where they don’t speak the language or can’t eat the food they will say it is hard to make the maximum impact on court, especially, when there is the pressure on them to do so. Maybe think about that next time your team drafts a player who struggles with his post-draft interview..

  • Jdizzle

    Ppl need to stop saying Bargnani was a bad pick. That draft was pretty awful overall. Only players better than him in that draft are LMA, Roy (not anymore), Rondo, and Gay. Raptors really didn’t need LMA at the time considering we had a better version of him in Bosh. No one in their right might would have taken Rondo number one. Rondo is also really a product of the system. He likely would not be same player had he landed on a different team (that didn’t have 3 HOF on the team). No one was even considering Roy at number one (plus he’s pretty much done now). Gay is the only one who has case but Colangelo took a chance on Bargs because he wanted a versatile front court.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Filipe, what part of EURO was confusing? This isn’t all about foreign born players, that’s a whole different story. Reading the title of an article usually helps comprehension.

  • http://leobeingleo.com Sepkowitz

    I actually semi-agree on the Darko front. I’m not sure I’d say he’s as good a shot blocker as anyone, but he’s turned into a very solid player. Other guys on this list have certainly had worse careers, but considering the draft he was in, he just had to be in a tier by himself.

  • Filipe

    My point don’t change at all if you stick to just european born players. 6 top ten picks, 2 all stars, 2 quality starters, 1 bench guy, 1 useless bust. Averages remain pretty much the same which pretty much is my point, NBA scouting hit or miss at around the same pace don’t matter where a player used to play. A high tauted prospect shot of fullfillig his potential is probably the same weather he played in Georgetown, Nevada, Barcelona or Oak Hill.

  • AB

    Where is Luol Deng or is the UK not a European country?

  • Pavlek

    I agree with Filipe. There have been some american busts too.
    The whole article is kinda xenophobic.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Having watched some film of Jonas (ok, I admit, it was YouTube highlights), he looks like a legitimate top five talent in a good draft. I would have taken only Biyimbo ahead of him. Those two have the chance to be great, where as I think that Irving or Williams and the rest will be good.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    “should teams steer clear of European players in the first round?” please. this article makes it sound like Euros have a better chance of being busts than American-born players, which is an idiotic and even racist notion. there’s a couple busts in every draft, some American, some foreign-born.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    and yes, Pavlek is right, xenophobic is the right word.

  • Morgan

    ^^ cosign what those two just said

  • Ronald

    It’s not racism because they’re white. /s

  • goattree

    Lights Out said it right.

    As far as Darko – how many championship rings does he have? How many do LeBron, Melo and Bosh have combined? Less eh? I agree.

    So many people forget that when Darko was drafted, he was:
    A. Only 18 years old
    B. soon to be getting his ass kicked daily in practice from the Wallace boys (and learning a hell of a lot each day)
    C. Not counted on to contribute that year anyways.

    What is he now? 25 years old? So coming into the prime of his career soon? The jury is still out in my opinion on Darko. If he works hard enough he can still be a very productive player in this league. Just cuz he didn’t do anything as a Piston (other than get fitted for a ring), doens’t mean he’s the biggest bust of all time.

  • goattree

    In other news, as a die hard Raptors fan I had a soul cringe moment the other day when I heard a talking head on NBA tv compare Jonas Valanciunus to a young Sam Bowie….

  • goattree

    In other news, as a die hard Raptors fan I had a soul cringe moment the other day when I heard a talking head on NBA tv compare Jonas Valanciunus to a young Sam Bowie, like it was a good thing….

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    great point about Darko, goattree. he’s only 26 (as of a few days ago–happy b-day, Darko!) so he still has time. will he live up to being a number 2 pick? almost definitely not, but he can still be a solid player. actually, last year, he averaged 9, 4, and 2 blocks in 25 minutes. not an all star, but not bad either, especially the block numbers.

  • http://leobeingleo.com Sepkowitz

    Of course there have been a ton of American busts, but the amount of European players who don’t even come close to being productive (Tier 5) is pretty staggering. They make up almost a third of the entire list (5/16 excluding Rubio).

  • http://leobeingleo.com Sepkowitz

    Sorry – it’s 6/16. Even more than a third.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Rubio won DPOY when he was on that squad in Europe didn’t he?

  • http://leobeingleo.com Sepkowitz

    Sorry – 6/16. More than a third.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah he did Black

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Dang the writer didn’t even mention it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He won it 2 years ago. Spanish League Defensive Player of the Year in 2009. Infact he’s got a ton of awards and recognition – won the 2010 Euroleague with FC Barcelona…named the 2010 Euroleague Rising Star…named the 2009-10 Euroleague Week-10 MVP…won the 2008 ULEB Cup with Joventut Badalona…member of the Spanish National Team…won the gold medal at the 2009 European Championship…won the silver medal at the 2008 Olympic Games…played at the 2010 Word Championship…won the 2006 FIBA Euro Cup with Joventut Badalona…won the 2010-11 Spanish National Championship with FC Barcelona…won the 2008 Spanish National Cup (King’s Cup) with Joventut Badalona…won the 2010 and 2011 Spanish National Cup (King’s Cup) with FC Barcelona…won the 2009 and 2010 Spanish Super Cup with FC Barcelona…named to the 2007-08 All-Spanish League First Team…led the 2006-07 Spanish League in steals (2.3 spg.)…has been member of the Spanish U-16 and U-18 National Team…won the gold medal at the 2006 European U-16 Championship

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    @Sepkowitz: what percent of American-born first round picks over the last ten years would you say didn’t come close to being productive? i’d say it’d be more than a third as well.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How can it be racist?
    Is there a European race that I never heard about?

  • Ronald

    Now you’re just trolling Allenp.

  • http://jayemmbee23.tumblr.com Clutch Performer

    ok heres a questions american bust vs european bust. which would you rather take ? an american bust isnt usually equal to a euro bust. for example greg oden or kwame browm , darius miles? even though they are busts would still beast all over rafael arujuo and andrea barniangi and gallo. the american game vs the euro game is still dominant and still a factor

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    Allenp, fair enough. regionalist then. ethnocentric. xenophobic, like Pavlek said. doesn’t matter, doesn’t change my point.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    kwame and darius miles would “beast all over” bargnani and gallo? are you serious? i’m not saying they’re all stars, but i’d take the latter two over the first two in a second. kwame’s starting to come into his own some, but is, as of now, still a bust, and miles is one of the major reasons the league stopped taking players right out of high school.

  • Filipe

    Sepkowitz, I decide to check drafts from 2000 to 2007 and identify guys that would qualify as tier 5 by your criteria. 130 american players got drafted in the top 20 during those 8 drafts, I found 48 guys that I d put in your tier 5. I didn’t include guys like Kwame Brown, Chris Mimm or Darius Miles who despite being bad or very bad picks had at least 2-3 seasons where they were at least useful backups. I m listing then below by year.

    2000: 5/17 (Marcus Fizer, DerMarr Johnson, Courtney Alexander, Mateen Cleaves, Jason Collier)
    2001: 5/15 (Rodney White, Kedrick Brown, Steven Hunter, Kirk Haston, Michael Bradley)
    2002: 8/15 (Jay Williams, Dajuan Wagner, Melvin Ely, Marcus Haislip, Fred Jones, Curtis Borchardt, Ryan Humphrey, Kareem Rush)
    2003: 4/16 (Michael Sweetney, Marcus Banks, Reece Gaines, Troy Bell)
    2004: 4/17 (Luke Jackson, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Kirk Snyder)
    2005: 7/17 (Ike Diogu, Sean May, Rashad McCants, Antoine Wright, Joey Graham, Gerald Green, Julius Hodge)
    2006: 8/16(Adam Morrison, Shelden Williams, Patrick O’Bryant, Hilton Armstrong, Cedric Simmons, Rodney Carney, Quincy Douby, Renaldo Balkman)
    2007: 7/17 (Brandan Wright, Acie Law, Julian Wright, Al Thornton, Sean Williams, Javaris Crittenton, Jason Smith)

  • MrSuper

    Where does Peja rank in this list? Also before him, where would we put Drajen Petrovic? Vlade Divac? Arvydas Sabonis? Or even Pedrag Danilovic?
    I also see no mention of Rudy Fernadez, Jose Calderon.
    Should we also mention players from Africa? The Dream comes immediately in mind.
    I am dissapointed SLAM, this is not to the site’s usual standards.

  • http://leobeingleo.com Sepkowitz

    @MrSuper

    This is only top-20 picks over the last ten years…

  • http://leobeingleo.com Sepkowitz

    @Filipe

    Great point. Very interesting.

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