LeBron James Silent as Heat Drop Game 4

I said this on the liveblog but its worth repeating IMO, before last night LeBron lead Miami in Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals in the playoffs. Its pretty f’n ridiculous that anyone insinuates its Wade’s team. At most it’s both their team, 1A and 1B, but other then that LeBron just had a bad game….a really really bad game, inexplicably bad, but it doesn’t change any pecking order or anything like that. All of this extra speculation is dumb

But right now, nbk, with everything on the line, it’s DWade’s team. Bad game from LBJ or not, that’s inarguable at this point.

This series has been 50/50 up until the last minute for 3 out of the 4 games. It’s split at 2-2. Why are people jumping to conclusions already? First a Miami sweep after gm1 and now Dallas suddenly has enough firepower to take the next 2 in a row? Stop watching the highlights, and try watching the entire game, just once this series. It’s worth it…

I absolutely hate the assertion that this is “everything on the line” – what were the rest of the playoffs? If miami lost then its not like they got a retry. Also Dwade has had Jason Kidd, Jason Terry and JJ Barea guarding him the majority of this series, to be surprised that he is outscoring LeBron is the exact same thing as being stupid. Before last night LeBron had Shawn Marion and Deshawn Stevenson on him every minute, those two are very good defenders. (What happened last night is un-explainable and i’m not defending anything that happened then). But before that, in games 1-3 Dwyane Wade leading the team in scoring should have been a given, I mean clearly if you have the 2 best players on earth and one of them is being guarded by a 38 year old PG that one better have a more efficient scoring series. — Which brings us to last night and LeBron not being aggressive against Jason Kidd for whatever reason, if he’s gonna play like that then yes, its clearly Wades team. But my perception of the Heat’s pecking order is not going to change after 1 game, because really, 1 game is all Wade has been clearly better then LeBron James as a basketball player.

@eddie1, lol a decent job i have but certainly not gregg doyles salary, that would be nice…
but doyle gets a having guts award because no matter what happens in this series, LEBRON will never here the end of it, but he asked for it with his arrogance….

Thank you NBK.
It’s win or go home in Round 1 just like the Finals.
And quite a few of the cats killing Bron now fully expected him to choke on the moment in Chicago.
Dude shined while Wade faltered and he carried them to victory.
Now he’s sucking. Seems like it would be simplistic to say that Wade carried him, or he carried Wade. This is ain’t Jordan and Pippen. this is much more like Magic and young Kareem or Baylor and West than people realize.

So the early rounds of the Playoffs and the Finals are the same thing and to add more importance to one over the other is wrong… OK, got it.

This is hilarious. Just last week Lebron was the best thing since MJ. Can’t wait to see Game 5.

So your saying it would be less of a failure for Miami to lose in the 1st round then the finals? Ofcourse not, how bout the 2nd round? or conference finals? If Miami lost in those they would be getting 10X the criticism (especially from you) then if they lose in these finals. — If anything, these finals mean less to LeBron as an individual then the rest of the playoffs did. But if you think that just because everyone goes home after this series that makes whoever performs the best the “leader” or whatever then that’s cool, totally disregard every other variable, like the previous 3 rounds & 82 regular season games, disregard current matchups, & everything else but scoring, it makes perfect sense.

He gave the inpression that he was thinking about everything else but the game…….maybe some off court troubles but come on that was just fxxxxckxxxed….nothing like lebron

I dare say heat in 6

And, co-sign thecomputerdude…

Coach Speo isn’t right in the head! Call an FN play! Close games come down to coaching and that he did not do well!

First off, I haven’t criticized LeBron at all. I actually brushed aside Game 4 as a “whatever” moment. Because that’s what it was to me, whatever. I’m not delighting in his poor play, I could care less. Dude will bounce back, I know this, so one bad game means nothing to me.
Also, had Miami lost early, yes, they would’ve been criticized harshly (and rightfully so). But they didn’t. They lost 1 game in each of the first 3 rounds and were actually celebrated for their play. So screw the “what if’s.”
And if the Finals really mean less to LeBron than the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs, then that qualifies as a HUGE PROBLEM because THIS IS IT right here. There are no more rounds after this. You either get your name in the books as an NBA Champion or a 2x loser. So it better mean something to him.
Finally, I could care less who the leader is of this team because it doesn’t matter. HOWEVER, to this point in the Finals, DWade is LEADING this team, that’s a statement of FACT and not my opinion. Is it because of his matchups? Sure. But don’t sit there and tell me that the best player in the game should have problems with Shawn Marion and DeShawn Stevenson. That’s just completely unacceptable.

Bryan
If Shawn Marion and Deshawn Stevenson are superior defenders to Kidd and Terry. Chandler is a very good help defender.
More importantly, LeBron’s jumper isn’t falling now like it was against Chicago, which makes him far less dangerous. Plus, as I said, he’s not posting up.
I’m not discounting the idea that Wade has been the clear leader this series, I’m just noting that every bad aspect of LeBron’s play this series was also evident in Wade’s play last series. It’s like the two just switched roles for whatever reason.
Because of that, I can’t say it’s a matter of being clutch, or one being a better leader overall. It seems to be something else, I’m not sure what.
Basically, they’ve both had dominant series and subpar series, and medium series. Philly they were both decent although Bron was better, Boston they were both decent although Wade was probably better, Chicago, Wade sucked, Bron killed, Dallas, Wade kills, Bron sucks.
It’s pretty freaking uncanny when you consider it.

BC, I am not saying he SHOULD have problems. I am saying Wade SHOULD be the 1st option, and leading scorer, he should be, and is. — And I am not saying this series doesn’t mean anything to LeBron, I’m saying in terms of him personally, as an individual (which he said 2 days ago he doesn’t care about, at all) the previous rounds meant more, as he would have never lived down losing to the Bulls or any team before he got to them. — The point is, just because Wade is playing better in this series, that doesn’t make him anything more to the Heat then what LeBron is, it doesn’t change any pecking order, and it doesn’t hurt LeBron’s “legacy” or whatever. Before yesterday there was literally no talk about how much better Wade has been then LeBron in this series, just talk about how LeBron does whatever is needed for his team to win. One bad game, and all of these people’s perceptions change? wtf. I know your perception hasn’t changed at all, but are you reading the other sh*t people are saying? If LeBron goes for 40+ in game 5 then we have to deal with the exact opposite reaction to what happened yesterday. I just wish people could be objective. Wade will get finals MVP (I don’t see Miami losing this series) but it won’t really matter, it is the second time he’s been the second best player on a team all year only to become the bees knees in the finals, don’t understand why it comes as a surprise. Honestly this whole rant has very little to do with your stance on the matter, your opinion makes perfect sense, I just don’t enjoy reading the other opinions that draw imaginary lines and conclusions out of nothing.

The payoff when you win in the Finals is greater than in any other round, but a loss in Round 1 or a loss in the Finals gets you the same thing.
There is only one champion. Either you’re the champion or you’re a loser.

Wade and James won’t last together. Even in the game 2 post-game interview I noticed that Wade called himself the leader of this team. It sounded like a subtle shot at Lebron. It really is Wade’s house.

NO LeBron didn’t say that, but its obvious isn’t it, if he didn’t bring Miami to the finals this year would have been a failure and you know it. If they lose now, the season isn’t a failure, it’s what everyone expected (even you said you thought it would take them a year) And, What do you mean if you had known it was about pecking order you wouldn’t have even wasted your time, you got in the conversation with me, you said this, “But right now, nbk, with everything on the line, it’s DWade’s team. Bad game from LBJ or not, that’s inarguable at this point” – WTH did you mean by this is DWades team if you weren’t talking about pecking order, its not me that started this conversation.

basically Miami losing in the finals is what the majority of people predicted in the regular season, either that or losing to the Celtics. (Not that many had them actually winning) Miami had to get to the finals after the Perkins trade to avoid disappointment, and now must win the finals to accomplish THEIR goal. Its crappy revisionist when the thing that was expected starts to happen (kind of) but everyone reacts like its a big surprise/failure. The whole “whose team is it” question is played out and dumb, its neither of their team, or it always changes, either way, making some concrete assertion that one player is the “leader” or “alpha male” whatever just leads to a constant change in opinion, week after week, series after series.

How has Kobe not winning a finals MVP with Shaq hurt his legacy? unless your under the impression that he was a better player then Shaq his legacy is right where it should be, top 3 SG ever, right around a top 10 player, but not better then Shaq or Tim Duncan in the all-time ranks.

And Mario Chalmers could be the Heats answer at PG long term. His decisiveness has been great, he obviously isn’t afraid of the big stage. I should have already known that after what he did at Kansas.

Its only DWades team when has a better game than LBJ.. It’s not LBJ fault Wade can’t make a ft. Had two turnovers that cost them the game. Couldnt even get a good look becuz Wade had KY Jelly on his hands. Wade blew it. He wanted the ball, he got it, and he choked! LBJ had 8 pts and they still had a chance to win the game. Film will tell Wade to pass the ball.

I can’t defend what happened yesterday. I just can’t. I wanted to throw things at the TV the way he was so passive taking ball screens going East-West.

@All Ball….I actually think Chalmers made some poor decisions in the last couple of minutes.

Wade isn’t outperforming LeBron by 5 points per quarter, by 5 in points per 4th* quarter.