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Friday, July 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am  |  132 responses

Phil Jackson: Kobe Wants to Pass Jordan on All-Time Scoring List


Phil Jackson told the LA Times last season that even though Kobe Bryant publicly tries to play off the historic scoring milestones, he desperately wants to leapfrog Michael Jordan on the all-time career scoring leaderboard. This should surprise precisely no one: “With an indifferent expression, stony silence and a downplaying of each milestone, Kobe Bryant tried hard to show that he wasn’t preoccupied with climbing the NBA’s all-time scoring list. But not many believed him, including Phil Jackson. When I asked the former Lakers coach last season which player Bryant wants to pass on the scoring list the most, Jackson replied without hesitation, ‘Michael Jordan.’ Bryant argued that wasn’t true and continued touting his sole motivation entails trying to minimize the gap between Bill Russell’s 11 NBA titles and his own five. Bryant isn’t lying when he says that’s his main motivation, but it’s misleading to act indifferent about it when teammates, media and the general public know he’s driven to be the best player ever.”

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  • seriousblack

    Isn’t this “story” recycled from months ago?

  • apache

    obviously

  • apache

    obviously he probably wants to pass kareem too

  • Eric

    It doesn’t mean anything anyway, MJ retired twice, with one and a half of those seasons in his prime and another two between the Chicago and Washington years. Nearly 4 years at a conservative 25ppg is what MJ missed out on points wise. Besides, it’d be 18 Kobe years vs 15 MJ years…still wouldn’t further Kobe being better than MJ in anyone’s eyes (unless you were decerebrate)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Umm, he wants to match Russell’s 11? Unless Gasol and Bynum transform into McHale/Parish overnight or the lakers find a way to snatch up another big man from disney land, I don’t see that happening.

  • ilveritas

    Don’t matter…he could score 50000 points and he still won’t be better than MJ.

  • Anthony

    Noone will ever be as good as jordan end of story

    NBA finals ppg : Kobe = 24. Jordan = 33

  • Team Jordan

    IN MY EYES: It don’t matter at all and it don’t mean anything cause he will NEVER-EVER be BETTER THAN THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER / SHOOTING GUARD OF ALL-TIME…. MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN!!!

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Kobe would need to get 4425 more points to surpass MJ. It could happen if he averages 26.9 ppg in each of his next two seasons.

  • Fat Lever

    I always thought Kobe and his legacy have the most to lose with this lockout. I think he’s got one more season in his diminishing prime, and if they scrap or even shorten the season, he loses an opportunity to put up numbers.

  • seriousblack

    I’m sure he’ll chuck his way to 27 ppg…by any means necessary.

  • James cutler

    He’ll chuck from pluto if he needs to.

  • EtheKnickFan

    Bill Russell’s 11? Nahhhhhhh not gonna happen ever again. Not for any player. David Stern deemed it unacceptable……right after he created the heavens and earth.

  • ai come back

    Hey now i dont think kobe’s gonna surpass mj on the list nor as a player but u gotta give the guy respect cuz he wants to be the best

  • http://scal.com Scalbriney

    Scalbrine will pass jordan,kobe sucks,lebron sucks,ya i speak in the third person- Scal aka big red

  • AT33

    Kobe needs that milestone only for his big ego, it doesn’t mean much anyway even if he surpasses MJ. Everyone knows that Jordan is the king of basketball.

  • haha

    who cares if bryant passes jordan….jordan did sit out a year and a half and went to washington to ressurect the franchise when he didnt have to
    he could pass kareem and still not be close to mike…..

  • c.a.

    365 million days a year I would rather the NBA player on my tv is saying he wants to get to 11 rings and trying his hardest to score, rather than saying how s**t fans lives are and fake-coughing in the tunnel to disrespect Nowitzki and passing up the ball in the 4th quarter.

    I am not trying to turn this in Kobe vs Lebron.

    Just saying, anyone who hates on a guy who wants to be the best is deluded, when you look at Lebron who doesn’t want the pressure or harbours the determination.

    Even if Kobe is fighting a battle he will lose, he has the FIGHT in him.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    He’s gonna pass Jordan

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ 1982

    I can see it if his team doesn’t get better options. I didn’t do the math, but if GP23 is right, this is definitely within his abilities. Barring injury of course… His FG% will likely drop though, but that’s not what he’s after.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    This isn’t news, we already knew this.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    ^ cosign Phantom.

  • flipnoyce

    Kobe could pass Kareem’s scoring title, win two more championships and still wouldn’t be consider better than JORDAN. If all 3 were standing on the podium to receive an award for their accomplishment Jordan will always get gold,Kareem get silver and Kobe= bronze. In 15 years Jordan has only played 1,072 games.In those years he accumulated 32,292 career points vs Kobe’s 15 years of 1,103 games with a career total 27,868 points(and counting). 4,424 points is the magic # that Kobe has yet to fulfill. Kobe would have to average 1,500 points in the next 3 years or 2,000 plus points in 2 years to surpass Jordan. These STATS right here should already prove that the comparison between the TWO is not even close. Now, chasing RUSSELL’s 11 championship in 13 years is just a dream he can only dream about. I’m satisfied with him just Being KOBE, but it bothers me to put him in the same breath or sentence as MJ.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Heck, knowing how passionate Kobe is, he probably wants to pass Kareem.

  • taylor_leslie

    Does Kobe want to increase his numbers by playing in Turkey?

  • BC tha Thundacat

    Stop dogging Kobe. He’s a bonafide killer. Every player should strive to be the best. I don’t think he’ll ever surpass MJ as the greatest even if he does pass him on the scoring list and or titles. As a diehard MJ fan, there’s no argument besides player characteristics. Let’s also not forget that MJ was and still is as egotistical and driven as Kobe ever was or will be. You need that to be the best and I’m not mad at the effort from Kobe!

  • http://yahoo Mr. Anthony J. Guay

    Kobe Bryant will always be compared to Michael Jordan even after his retirement for their obvious SIMILARITIES and DIFFERENCES. There spunk and grind in playing basketball will always be noticed. The fact that there were times when they played in the same season nobody can refute that both are EXCEPTIONALLY VERY TALENTED and VERSATILE PLAYERS. DEBATING and COMPARING this TWO is only equalized by MAGIC JOHNSON – LARRY BIRD RIVALRY.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No Magic and Larry is a legit comparison because their production and success was almost parallel. Kobe and Michael are not equals they just play similarly and won. Other then that it’s only a debate for people born in or after the 90′s and Laker fans.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wait who on hear is debating Kobe is better? No one is. You all are arguing with yourselves. No one said Kobe was or was going to be better or think that he is better once he surpasses MJ’s scoring total… Quit hating on him just to hate on him.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Who’s hating?

  • DieselMechanic

    Love Kobe but I think he is fading fast.

  • slamfan4life

    Kobe>MJ

  • slamfan4life

    Jk, but u gotta luv him trying to catch MJ! lol

  • slamfan4life

    Lol jk, but gotta luv him trying to catch MJ!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    If MJ had come in at age 18 too and not retired so many damn times…no way Kobe would’ve been able to pass him ont he scoring list.

  • http://firespo.com KING

    Didn’t jordan stop playing basketball for 2 years or somewhere around that? Kobe came out srtaight from high school and kobe will still need more years than jordan to surpass him

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Everyone thats calling him a “chucker” and saying that “he’ll do whatever it takes to score those points” is hating. Dude is the biggest winner in basketball currently and he does what he think is the best thing for his team to win on a nightly basis. He may have been “getting his” back when Smush was running point, but who wants to call out Kobe Bryant for wanting the ball and taking ill advised shots when his ball distributer shouldn’t have been in the L. Kobe is a team player and a WINNER. But as I always say, everyone hates a winner.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Your right untilyou said that last part. Everyone loves winners. It’s why MJ is MJ, why LeBron is the king of criticism right now. Why Dirk’s whole reputation just changed. Everybody loves a winner, just not everyone loves a Laker who gets unwarranted praise. You can thank you fellow brethren and ESPN for how much he’s hated, their the ones that keep dragging him into the Jordan debate like they are almost equals. But I feel what your saying.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Level headed basketball minds can agree that Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all time. Like every argument their are extremists on both sides. It’s either he’s the best ever or he’s a rapist. I wish we could just stop the hate. Just give dudes their due where they should get it and criticize when warranted. But this is a online commenting section so i’m not expecting this haha. I don’t want everyone to love Kobe just don’t false advertise.

  • seriousblack

    It’s not hate to call Kobe a chucker. It’s an observation. You can’t be a “team player” if it’s on your terms only. Now it is indeed hate when you say he’s not a great player or a winner, which no one here said. He’s a great player. I just don’t see him as a team player.

  • Isiah

    It Never Fails to see @JTaylor21 Gay ass stan On Kobe topics……It’s called Obsessed @Jtaylor21 Go to therapist about it If You Hate Kobe Don’t dedicate Time to Him but ya’ll do it anyway and I see it as a testament to how good he is because If Kobe had The skillset Of Quentin Richardson Ya’ll wouldnt hate on him so hard

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Well how can a chucker win 5 championships as a the Alpha dog or as as the 2nd option? I don’t think that would be possible. At least from my definition of chucker. Theres no such thing as a chucker/superstar-legend. He can chuck on nights when Pau is flirting with the other basketball players, but his M.O. is not to chuck shots up to score allot of points and forget about the W or L at the end of the night…Naww, It’s to win games. It’s hating imo to call a NBA Legend with 5 chips a “chucker.”

  • enfinte

    Kobe is the best. MJ who?

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Man some of guys up here think Jordan is Jesus Christ, like he cant be touched or surpassed. To say Kobe and Mike cant be compared is crazy. He’s tha closest thing we’ll ever see to Jordan. And i believe that he can surpass Jordan. He already has a better skill set. Yea i said it. I love MJ too, but he’s not untouchable and Kobe is comin for that GOAT lable that he has

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Dammit Tae… How old are you?

  • bull22

    don’t worry kobe, you will never be considered the best player in nba history… one of best yes, so please get over it man…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Tae is clueless.

  • #23

    @tae. no. just stop. you obviously haven’t seen jordan play. its admirable that kobe might surpass jordan on the all-time scoring list but that wouldn’t make him better than jordan. IF KOBE DOES…i’d consider him TOP 5 all time just from his longevity of playing basketball at an elite level.

  • x47

    Well under Mike Brown, Kobe will be allowed to shoot as much as he wants so he can try to get that record. Brian Shaw would have had a plan for teamwork while Brown will do what he did with Bron, let him create something everyone just fall back.

    Kobe you will never be Jordan. Close but never better and i’m not a jordan fan. 6 rings, no losses in championship games, never a 2nd fiddle (Shaq was 1st fiddle for the 1st 2 rings at least) the multiple scoring titles in a row, shoes named after him and branded.. You are not, will not be that so go ahead seek little personal achievements to try and believe you are better. Your not!!

  • bike

    Jordan cannot be touched. Jordan cannot be surpassed. There is no one, with the exception of LeBron, playing in the NBA right now that is anywhere close in terms of skill and competitive desire. And LeBron has a long way to go–especially if he does not start racking up some rings.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    @Bike, are you serious? LeBron is more like MJ than Kobe? Do you watch basketball. That was rehtorical. NO YOU DON’T. Please refrain from brain fart typing. LeBron does not possess the same basketball skills and competitive-ness as Kobe, let alone MJ.

  • LA Huey

    We all knew what the number change was all about. In related news, a basketball is round.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I think Bike meant to say only LeBron possesses the potential and skillset to get into the GOAT debate. And he does, not saying he’ll get there, probably won’t. But at the same age LeBron has accomplished more.

  • seriousblack

    It’s called being a stan when you can’t accept simple criticism of a guy just because he’s your favorite player. Plain and simple.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Im 23, and yea i’ve seen Jordan play. Just about his whole career. Im not clueless. Im just sayin Kobe is as good as MJ and he can be touched. Thats all im sayin

  • seriousblack

    I’m guessing Tae isn’t old enough to have seen Mike in his prime. Most likely born after 85′, which means the opinion doesn’t count :-D

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    He would have to have playoff heroics that are insane and game winners galore for the rest of his career in order to get into any sort of GOAT debate.(I see Wade having more) Right now he is not even looking in. You have to win a championship before even being thought of in a GOAT debate. No point in acting like he’s almost there. He has light years to go. It’s strange to even put LeBron up there with all time greats when he has a couple great playoff series and some amazing regular seasons. O Rings… Especially since Kobe also has similar accomplishments and he has 5 rings. But somehow LeBron has a better chance right now of being closer to MJ. Not in my world but if thats how you see it, thats that.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    @#23, I never said if he passes MJ tha all time scoring list he’ll be better. That list doesnt tell you who’s tha best player of all time. But i did say Kobe has a better skill set. Ex., jumpshot, ball handles, post game, ect. Thats something i believe and im stickin by that no matter what. Overall players:MJ but as far as their skill sets:Kobe

  • seriousblack

    Tae, if you are 23 it is impossible for you to have witnessed and understood Jordan in the 80′s. You probably barely remember anything before 96′ or 97′. You are so very wrong about Kobe it’s almost funny.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    @seriousblack, i’ve seen Jordan in his prime. I might be 23 but dont play me like idk what im talkin about. I got Dvd’s on Jordan out tha a*s and watch em almost everyday. With full games, seasons, playoffs, finals. So i’ve seen Jordan in his prime. You act like Kobe doesnt compare

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Tae… Tae..TAE!!! No! Bad Tae! Skill set wise MJ has the edge, not by much, but what you have to realize is Kobe watched MJ to get his moves. I don’t think he’s perfected anything over MJ except for his outside shot. MJ was better on the post. And yes Kobe is great on the post. You obviously have not seen MJ play allot. He is better than Kobe at everyhting for the most part. If you choose not to except this that is fine, but it is FACT.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    It’s not that Kobe doesn’t compare Tae. In fact its the oposite. They compare very closely. But its is FACT that Jordan is not only better than Kobe, but better than everyone. It shows on paper and on film. Love Kobe man. I love Kobe, but you have to understand that MJ is better. Not by rediculous amounts but you fooling yourself saying Kobe is as good or better. Just not true.

  • bike

    @lakeshow. I meant what I said…LeBron has a better skill set than Kobe. Equal offensive skills but LeBron is a much better playmaker. LeBron has also accomplished more at this point in his career than Kobe did. He has the potential (the key word is potential) to be as good as MJ and possibly the GOAT but it remains to be seen if he has anything close to the fire in his gut like MJ had.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    MJ at 26 – 1 MVP 1 DPOY No Finals Appearances – LeBron at 26 – 2 MVP’s 2 Finals Appearances. Kobe had Shaq, is 32 or 33? as an individual he cannot reach MJ, as a player championship wise obviously he has a decent shot. Like I said I doubt LeBron can reach MJ, but he’s put himself in a better position as an individual then anyone. Add that with what all his critics say about him, and he has the potential to get there (has no post game, killer instinct, unreliable jumpshot, no “go-to” move). But Still a long way off, 6 championships almost consecutively (that’s what he’ll need, minimum) seems almost inconceivable with the way the league structure is headed.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    @seriousblack, i remember tha 80′s Jordan. I wasnt born til 88 but like i said i went back and got put on to Jordan. Yea i was what, 7 or 8 watchin tha finals, but i wasnt one of those lil kids just jumpin around at every basket made by either team, i understood who Jordan was and i knew who i was watchin being that i played ball at a young age myself. I know Jordan is tha best and all that, is it so wrong for me to say that Kobe can catch him???

  • Kyle

    How is Kobe the biggest winner in the league right now when Dirk dissected the heavily favored Lakers in laughable fashion. They got freaking SWEPT. Check out the numbers while one guy usually had to score on 2 guys with another running at him and Kobe faced single coverage. And Kobe got contained by guys like Jason Kidd, Dirk flat out KILLED IT no matter who was guarding him in the playoffs. Not one person was successful stopping him, and since Dirk is considered such a horrible defender… why did he guard Pau Gasol and expose the guy time and time again? Kobe isn’t Jordan, and while he has that killer extinct, he’s not clutch when you look at the stats. Dirk is far more clutch as are guys like Manu Ginboli, Melo, and Chris Paul. And Jordan, Bird and Miller are guys I’d rather take a last shot… hell even Rex Chapman was far more clutch with his insane 30 foot 3′s to tie games. And to Lakeshow, Kobe is actually a smarter and better passer than Jordan was while being a more efficient outside shooter, but that’s about it. Kobe just doesn’t always make that pass these days.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    @Lake Show, i feel you but its just my opinion thats all. Bein that i think Kobe is a better shooter from 3pt range and all. I know Jordan is tha best, i understand that, im not gonna keep sayin it. I just feel as far as skills Kobe has a slight edge and u feel Jordan has a slight edge and i respect your opinion. I love both players

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    If you think Dirk is a greater winner and better player than Kobe than this conversacion is over Kyle. Facts don’t lie. NBK: Dude quit with the Shaq thing for real. We all know Kobe wouldn’t have his first 3 rings w/o Shaq. Guess what Shaq doens’t have those 3 w/o Kobe. And #4 he doesn’t get w/o D-Wade. Does Magics Chips with Kareem not count? Do you subtract rings for everyone that played with another marquee talent while getting a chip? MJ could have done it w/o Pippen? But LeBron would win chips with or w/o Wade right?? Common with the Chip discounting. It’s rediculous. Should Pau not be considered a champion and an all time great forward because Kobe was on his team. That just gets old. And you can do it with ANYONE. Bird’s Chips don’t count becasue of how good the Celts were right? Enough with the Chip discounting. Sorry bout all the dumb spelling errors.

  • seriousblack

    Tae, no my dude. Skillwise, Jordan has the edge. Kobe has more range on his shot, but that’s where the buck stops. I wouldn’t even say Kobe is a better passer. Jordan was a more highly skilled all around player than Kobe is now. Add to that the fact that he was a better defensive player and more athletic and it’s pretty clear who the better player is. He also got more accomplished playing less games than Kobe. I’m only pointing out your age because every time this discussion is brought up, 9 times out of 10 the person taking your position is in your age group.

  • seriousblack

    For the record tho, I think Kobe has Lebron in terms of skill. Lebron is an infinitely better passer, more athletic and stronger. He’s accomplished more individually than Kobe so I think he’s a better player. Just not as skilled yet.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    There is a difference between Batman and Robin, whether you want to admit it or not. Noone is arguing that Pippen is better then Kobe are they? LeBron at 26 > Kobe at 26, the rings don’t make Kobe a better individual. Like it or not. Basketball is a teamsport, using championships that a team won as the only reason one player is better then another is ridiculous. If LeBron continues at this pace for however long Kobe remains relevant in age he will crush every record Kobe has, have better career averages in every single statistic. I love Kobe as a player, admire how he goes about being a competitor, but that doesn’t excuse me from being logical. Frankly the only thing that makes Kobe better then LeBron today are 2 championships, and longevity.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Disagree, disagree, disagree. I don’t know what your saying about the Batman, Robin deal. Nor do I know what your trying to get at with the Pippen compared to Kobe reference. But Kobe at 26> Than LeBron. Who said Championships make a player the greatest? Have you not heard me proclaim how MJ is the GOAT. Not Bill Russel…. And what your saying about how many chips doesn’t = how good you are, same applys for STATS. Just because you average more rebounds or more assists than someone does not mean you are better than them at passing or grabbing boards. Kobe and LeBron are equal rebounders. LeBron is a better passer but not by a rediculous amount. Kobe is a better/more creative scorer. I take Prime Kobe over LeBron, as you know, evrrrday twice.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Stats. Efficiency. Winning as the best player on a team. MVP’s. You can call them equals in your opinion but what does your opinion mean against facts? Nothing.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and LeBron, like Kobe, at 26, hasn’t reached his prime yet. Even though LeBron’s best season today > Kobe’s best season of his career.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So just so I understand… Steve Nash is as good as LeBron?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ooookay got it. Nash> than Kobe. oooh and “Winning” is what LeBron does that Kobe can’t do. I assure you Lebron is at his Prime. He will add skills, but lose athleticism from this point on. Making him stay the same or get worse.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So Kobe winning as the main option twice doens’t mean anything. Thats a STAT we’ll ignore right?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If you didn’t understand the Scottie pippin analogy I don’t expect you to understand much. You don’t have any evidence for what your saying other then a biased opinion. I’m getting back in town, I don’t have time to spell out the obvious to you anymore. I can’t make the blind see.

  • bonuntr

    As a dyed in the wool Utah Jazz fan, I know what MJ was made of. The game when he came out against the Jazz, while in the midst of a terrible influenza, including IV’s during the game, and put Malone and Stockton away was the most impressive basketball heroics of all time! I just don’t think Kobe has that type of drive or greatness. MJ just put himself in another gear and won. You can say all you want about Kobe, in the end, he just wants to be “Like Mike”!

  • http://Nba.com GP23

    It still amazes me that Kobe only has 1 MVP award throughout his career.

  • bike

    One of the best things about all sports is discussions of who is the best, who is better, and why. All a matter of opinion really. MJ was the first NBA player I saw of that size playing his position that could dominate a game. Aside from unbelievable ability, MJ also was competitive almost to the point of being insane. Kobe has very similar qualities, but in my opinion, he is still a level or two below MJ. I have seen LeBron play at a level that I have never seen a guy that size play at—yet he still seems to lack that certain something that puts him above everyone else. Point is, I can’t put a number on any of these things—it is just a matter of watching them play and forming an opinion. If you eliminate championships from the equation, it’s pretty hard to argue against Wilt as the GOAT. But it seems like championships should factor in—but by how much? What fun, what fun……

  • DeeDaw

    OMG, really??!!!

    Wooowww! This is SUCH a surprise!!! 0______O.

  • DeeDaw

    ATTENTION KOBE BRYANT::

    Kareem passed Jordan but no one thinks he is better thank Jordan.

  • Guilherme

    Go Kobe Go !

  • anen

    So that explains why he’s such a ball hog

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Now theres something we agree on seriousblack. Jordan was a better defender. When i was talkin about Kobe’s skill i meant his offense. 3pt range yea, but all around skill i meant footwork, all tha small stuff. But i do agree on defense, i dont even have to think about that one

  • logues

    someone plese explain to me how if kobe hasnt already “caught” mj as far as best player ever, how is he supposed to catch him now? his prime is over, he’s game is starting to decline. so, if he hasnt ever been as good as jordan before, its not going to happen. end of story. in my eyes hes not even that close to jordan. money was on a whole different level. theres mj, then theres everyone else.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I acknowledged Kobe as being the better player overall. I also said only because of two championships and longevity. But that came after 26 which is the comparitive age my whole argument was based around if you paid attention to what both of us were saying. I can’t even believe some of the sh*t you reply with when your flustered. It’s like your not at all paying attention

  • zach

    Lakeshow: If MVP’s were the only criteria then you’d be right, but I think you know that nerdbk was stating Lebron’s MVPs in combination with those other advantages make Lebron superior. Not MVP’s alone.

  • Van City

    Here’s a breakdown of both players at age 26 and after having played 8 seasons:

    LBJ Kobe Advantage
    0 Rings 3 Kobe
    0 Finals MVP’S 0 Even
    2 Finals Appearances 3 Kobe
    2 MVP’S 0 LBJ
    5 1st Team All NBA 3 LBJ
    2 2nd Team ALL NBA 2 Even
    3 1st Team ALL Def. 3 Even
    0 2nd Team ALL Def. 2 Kobe
    1 Scoring Titles 0 LBJ
    7 All Star Selections 6 LBJ
    2 All Star GM MVP’S 1 LBJ
    Yes Rookie of The Year No LBJ

  • Van City

    LBJ: 27.7 pts / 7.1 rebs / 7.0 ast / 1.7 stls / 0.8 blk / 47.9 fg% / 32.9 3PT% / 74.4 FT%

    Kobe: 21.8 pts / 5.0 rebs / 4.3 ast / 1.5 stl / 0.6 blk / 45.4 FG% / 32.9 3PT% / 83.4 FT%

    LBJ: 17,362 pts/4451 rbs/4364 ats/1079 stl/ 532 blks KOBE: 12,215 pts/2817 rebs/2390 ast/ 826 stl/ 346 blk

    I think it’s very fair to suggest that, after both having played 8 yrs, Lebron is the better player.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wilt Chamberlain > Michael Jordan

  • Waskito

    Welcome mr tae….you defend your ground with poise. Hope you will comment a lot in this slam forum along side the regular analyst like nbk, lakeshow, bike, enigmatic and all the guys. Love to read it from far away. Me, MJ fan, got all the jordans (originals) till 23. Went to re married at the same chapel Jordan married at LV.

  • Carmelo

    Kobe has better footwork,shooting,and ball handling.Kobe is the over all better player.Kobe is only 6,7,MJ is 6,8.Phil Jackson said that Kobe had more over all skills.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I have to agree with nbk on Kobe and Lebron at 26 years old, BUT I don’t think Lebron will really be able to match Kobe’s longevity. Not to mention he has to stop choking when it matters most…and develop a post game, the guy couldn’t successfully post up JJ f*ckin Barea. If he can’t match Kobe’s longevity it doesn’t really look like he’ll pass him in record books unless we’re talking rebounds and assists.

  • josh

    lebron will never be as good as kobe.

  • money

    I think MJ and kobe are tied for first,magic second,and bird third.comment if you agree or not.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    BPhantom, be honest. Did Kobe have success posting up JJ f*ckin Barea or JKidd? I understand being a fan of either player but you have to be realistic with yourself and call it how it really is. Both Bron and Kobe under-performed vs the exact same team, Kobe was unable to take advantage of the small guard lineup Dallas throws out there (JTerry, JKidd, Barea) and Bron was failed to take advantage of being guarded by smaller guys (Stevenson, Kidd, Marion). To call a spade a spade, being a Bron admirer, dude stunk it up (scoring wise) in the finals and I have to say that I was even more disappointed after seeing what he did vs the top 2 defensive teams in the L.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @JTaylor As much as I recall Kobe didn’t really try it that often, if at all. You watched the Finals. JJ is like 6’0″, 175 lbs and Lebron failed to take advantage, you think Kobe would do the same? I bring that up because that’s one of the glaring things Lebron must work on.

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    I was about to argue with an above comment stating that LeBron won’t match Kobe’s longevity, but then I remembered this was an article about Phil Jackson saying Kobe wants to pass Michael Jordan on the all-time scoring list.

  • http://m&m nhelly

    Kobe is the best SG defender!

  • http://nba.com EJ

    @Van City, Lebron was the sole leader of his team from the get go, Kobe was a bench player at first and then he played with Shaq. Keep that in mind when you look at the stats.

  • http://slamonline.com Tracy

    Well I thought that was every great scorer’s ambition.

  • That’s what he

    Kobe will always be Kobe and Michael will always be Micheal. To me, Micheal is King and Kobe is Prince of basketball.
    Lebron is the joker. hah

  • Yann Blavec

    Karl Malone is number 2 on the list. That makes him a number two. (Remember when Slam magazine writers were new-york knicks fans and utah jazz haters?)

  • redat9

    Ive watched MJ play since I was 5 and til now I prefer to watch him just shoot around at a Bobcat practice then some nba games lol

    I love watching Kobe and many people have different opinions cause of similarities, but even Kobe said it himself at the 2010 Championship post conference that 90% of what he learned is from MJ, so the similarities are gonna be there.

    Michael Jordan’s Greatness is just not that simple, its not just numbers.

  • Van City

    @EJ, I fully understand that, but there’s a reason why Lebron was the leader from the get go and Kobe wasn’t. Even if Kobe had been drafted by the Cavs team which drafted Lebron, he would not have been as successful individually from the start as Lebron was. I’m also not just comparing numbers/stat, but also accomplishments/awards/achievements etc. Regarding the Shaq point: of course Kobe would have had much better numbers had he not played with Shaq, but he also wouldn’t have won those 3 rings either. Imagine how differently Kobe would be viewed if he only had 2 rings at this point in his career instead of 5. It works both ways.

  • Van City

    Also I hope nobody thinks that I’m hating on Kobe. I think the guy’s a top 10 – 12 all time player and can only rise from this point. I’m just trying to compare Kobe and Lebron at the same age and playing experience.

  • zach

    This Carmelo guy shouldn’t even be allowed to watch basketball let alone speak on it. Dude can’t even get Kobe and MJ’s heights right. MJ is a half inch shorter than kobe. Both listed at 6’6 but w/o shoes MJ is 6’4 and Kobe is nearly 6’5. MJ was a better defender and his footwork is Kobe’s blueprint. MJ’s midrange game was light years better than Kobe’s, he was a better passer, an athletic freak, better at attacking, and a better finisher around the rim. I’m tired of all the toddlers around here thinking Kobe is equal or better than MJ.

  • zach

    Let’s not even talk about efficiency. Kobe can’t sniff MJs boxers when it comes to shot selection and fg%.

  • Van City

    @zach, Ditto you pretty much nailed it

  • BostonBaller

    Kobe’s game is not on the downside just yet so don’t count him out. MJ would still be the GOAT though. No lockout please!!! WNBA !!!

  • yeayea

    just ask yourselves if yall dont wanna be better than the best. even if u cant be atleast as a man ud try. come on. dont judge the man if he got the heart to even try to be. he wont be the best ever but he is one of them. just enjoy the game. he up there anyways

  • liza

    its so obvious..i mean, where is the fun in that, right?
    as great as kobe is, he is still a chaser.. mj did chase magics 5 kings make his 6 rings intead..so not only kobe wants to surpass scoring list but i think even wants to have 7th.. i think that is great for motivation..
    wait, after all kobe score this and that, he still what, needs 2 years to surpass mj in the scoring list?well2, we will have to see.
    this year, next season, its now or never for kobe..unless he wins.. if he lose..its sunset time..unless lebron is stil immature..he may still have 2 more good years,haha

  • http://Slamonline.com CatKiller

    Nbk why you always on here acting like you some NBA scout?? Man you just some duude with no life trying to prove the world wrong bout basketball. I could sit around and google stats all day and pretend like I’m a true ballet too. Get on my level

  • brandon

    ima kobe fan, but even if kobe passes jordan doesnt mean kobe will be better. people arent goin around sayin that kareem is better than jordan. i hate when people throw out hate comments bout kobe and or lebron.

  • carmelo

    Phil Jackson even said Kobe was better,and thats not just because Kobe is on his team,Phil coached both.Have an answer for that,Zack?

  • Lisa

    I’ve checked out all your guys arguments – here’s the argument from a basketball lovin woman’s perspective: 1) measure of a champion is performance under pressure when it counts most — NO ONE has averaged in the 30s for points in playoffs; MJ averaged 33. 2)it’s much easier to enhance what someone else has already built – MJ was the originator and Kobe borrowed and added a few new moves of his own (which is cool but you must give more credit to the one who laid the foundation). 3) MJ was ALWAYS the lead, from start to finish. 4) Saying Kobe is better than MJ is like saying that Kobe can still win the race although it took him longer to finish – Kobe had 14 years to surpass MJs numbers and he didnt. It’s no debate as to who is better. Lebron is only in this conversation because of potential – but until that potential is REALIZED his name should not even be mentioned in the same sentence.

  • Chris

    The reality is that Kobe has matured (on the court anyway) into one of the greatest players in the game. He is confident in his ability and so he should be. He’s got the rings to proove his ability. He’s no Michael Jordan but the two things Jordan and Kobe have in common; First they both earned the right to be called champions. Secondly like Jordan anyone that guards Kobe has to improve, he makes others play better or suffer the consequences!

  • Chris

    I dont understand why people think Kobe has better skill set. Jordan had excellent ball handling ability, dribble speed, he could rebound, block shots. He improved all the area’s of his game that he had to. He was a defensive freak and while Kobe is an offencive weapon in his own right. Michael Jordan used to embarass even the best defencive players in the game. Many of which openly admitted it. I actually think that Scottie Pippen is a better player than Kobe. Pippen sacrificed statistics to keep playing on the Bulls. When Jordan was playing baseball Pippen lead the Bulls in Points, Rebounds, Assists, Blocks, Steals. He is the only player in NBA history to lead his team in every individual statistic. Not Jordan, not Kobe, not Lebron. Pippen will clearly never be on the G.O.A.T argument list. But as an ALL ROUND player, no one is better than Scottie.

  • Chris

    That’s a good perspective Lisa. I’m not sure about Lebron. His attitude looks a little shaky, I dont know him personally only what I see during games. However if he remains humble and injury free, he will surpass a lot of people. He’s more than potential, he has proven that he has game no doubt. The question is can he translate that ability into rings. He deserves a mention but that’s about it at the moment.

  • Marco

    michael jordan is the best player ever but i hate when people keep saying he wil ALWAYS be the best player. does things don’t last forever. people don’t like to believe but the lebron could be better than lebron in the near future. you can call him lebrick or whatever but you can’t deny that he is the best player in the nba. plus lebron is bigger and more versatile. he can also play more positions than jordan and could play an undersized center.

  • http://gmail.com z

    wow lisa just gave the most reasoned, well thought out comment on this whole thread. Apparently, fellas, the ladies know more about the game than we do! step your analysis up, guys, lisa just owned all of your partisan lebron/kobe arguments.

  • dnice

    seriously,,karl malone passed jordan in scoring,,,does that make him better than jordan,,,i think not,,,kobe won titles with a dominant center,,the first 3 titles belong to shaq!!!! the last 2 belong to pau and bynum,,fisher and artest,,really,,true basketball fans know,,kobe wasn’t the main catalyst,,when shaq left he cried and wanted out,,,,then jerry west gift wrapped pau gasol from memphis !!!!! jordan built his team from scratch !!!! stop these ridiculous comparisons,,,,10 scoring titles,,,5 mvps,,,6 finals mvps..lead the leaugue in steals 3 times !!! come on ppl !!!

  • dnice

    kobe has been embarrassed twice in the finals,,,see tayshaun prince and then paul pierce !!!!!a no sho in the second half of the phoenix game in the playoffs,,,seriously yall are truly prisoners of the moment,,,!!!! jordan,,,highest regular season and playoff scoring average in NBA HISTORY !!! PERIOD !!!!

  • dnice

    kobe bryant is a great player in his own rite,,,,he has a lil killer instinct,,but he is not close to michael jordan,,,compair their history,,season for season….its’ not close !!! kobe has 1 mvp and 2 finals mvps,,,,shaq has 3 finals mvps,,,and was a beast in the first 3 championships,,while kobe averaged 15 ppg !!! anyone who can score can move up the list as long as they play enough games…..wilt and jordan are really close in games played and scoring average in the regular season,,,he is the only player that i would put in jordans atmosphere !!!

  • http://slamonline.com north philly

    Kobe is the man wit out him there wont be 5 rings in LA yea he had help but really name one player that did it but they self you see bron still aint got one lets just be real for once

  • dnice

    kobe isnt the man,,,if he was,,he wouldnt have wanted to be traded and cried about it,,,,,they would have won a few rings with shaq !!! shaq went to miami,,and won,,,kobe couldnt carry the load,,case and point,,until after gasol came,,same team that won it last year,,when gasol was ballin is the same team that got swept !!! hhhmmmmmmmmm

  • http://Slamonline.com CatKiller

    Skill wise MJ wins no doubt he also wins in the ring catergory also. But if you you wanna give more credit to the man you laid the foundation i think MJ wouldnt have been who he was without Dr. J and Dr. J wouldn’t have been who he was without Elgin Baylor. So really you can’t put greatness next to MJ because alot of moves he used were old school Erving or Baylor moves and nowadays we see Kobe using classic MJ moves. It’s just a repeating
    Cycle so I think if MJ and Kobe we to both be rookies tensame year and play on identical teams they would have been the exact same player

  • http://JK beast

    ALL THE HATE LOL SO WHAT IF HE NEVER REACHES MJ’S STATUS!!! HE IS THE RUNNER UP AND ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, WHO WOULDN’T BE CONTENT WITH THAT. ALL OF YOU IGNORANT HATE FILLED PEOPLE PROBABLY NEVER HAVE BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO EVEN AFFORD SEASON TICKETS FOR ONE YEAR TO WATCH THAT MAN PLAY.. CHEW ON THAT (FOOD FOR THOUGHT)

  • kobefan24

    To everyone who says kobe isnt a team player, i say this. How do you play basketball and not be a team player. Thats impossible: he plays on a team. And if you are asserting that he is selfish, thats also impossible because you have to buy into the team concept to win FIVE CHAMPIONSHIPS?? SMDH…

  • http://www.facebook.com/jack.daily.5 Jacks Daily

    Jordan played for 15 seasons, 13 if you don’t count the two in which he only played 17-18 games. Kobe is now in his 17th season and still hasn’t passed Jordan on the all time scoring list. When he does pass Jordan, it really won’t mean anything as it took Kobe longer to do so.

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