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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011 at 9:25 am  |  153 responses

Dwyane Wade: Miami Heat Endured Unfair Stuff Last Year


It’s quite unlikely that DWade and his Miami Heat teammates will gain any sympathy from the outside world, but he admits that his squad had a tough time dealing with all the scrutiny last season. From SRI: “On the comments he made following the Finals loss about everybody being happy the Miami Heat lost: ‘At that point it was me. Obviously we went through a lot last year. It was unfair some of the stuff that we had to endure but we grew from it. That’s over with. We move on to whenever we play basketball again and we will be a different team.’ How tough the season was: ‘It was tough. I’ve went through tougher things because at the end of the day it’s the game of basketball. You find the joy in it and at the end of the day we had a good team. We played in hostile environments which we love as competitors. We love to hush everybody up and we were able to accomplish that all the way to the end of the year when we didn’t win. Then they became right again. At the end of the day that’s not what you play the game for. You play the game because you love it and enjoy doing it.’”

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  • tomtom

    Cry it up hamster cheeks, you think they are the only team that has ever been hated on?? Pfffft the problem is when you say you are going to win 7 chips you better back it up.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Haha… Hamster cheeks.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    A n*gga can’t speak his mind no more without getting criticized? 90% of the people that talk ish can’t even make a layup let alone do what these guys do.

  • LP

    if you can dish it, you can take it…no metro…

  • http://hoopism.com airs

    nah, especially on here.
    can’t no one speak their mind without being criticized. i mean, you should know that right, jt?
    *misses layup*

  • SikhWitIt

    Why does someone have to be able to make a lay-up to put an entitled multi-millionaire who thinks his problems are worthy of our attention in his place? This guy needs to understand that nothing he “endured” last year is “unfair.” He needs to travel outside his self-righteous bubble to see what’s “unfair.” When will these three learn to just shut the hell up?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I fall into that other 10 percent, tho. I got skillz! *pops collar*

  • T-Money

    sikhwitt: if you’re saying that d-wade doesn’t know about real life struggles, you may want to reconsider. shut the hell up for who? for you? LOL.

  • @DEKNOWZ

    *Playing Phil Collins “in the air tonight” on the worlds smallest violin*

  • tBonez

    @tomtom What do you want to say to hype up the Miami fans? We gonna lose 7 finals? or we aint gonna be in the playoffs? the thing is they hype up the fans so if your not a fan then just shut the hell up.. aight!

  • downtown_brownclown

    D-Wade… ’til you guys win a chip… everybody gonna hate on you… even if you do win a chip… still! people would hate on you… :) it’s all good, let ‘em enjoy the haterade! :-P

  • CubicleWorker

    D-Wade looks like a black version of Stan from American Dad… side of his face stretches to the perimeter when he’s making post moves

  • SikhWitIt

    The fact that he comes from poor, inner-city Chicago makes these continual expressions of entitlement all the more ridiculous. Thanks for proving my point. He should think about the people still living on the Southside–not to mention the millions of other working people that struggle everyday in this economy–before he uses the term “unfair” to describe getting paid $20 million to play a game. So yeah, I’d say its about time he shut the hell up. “LOL.”

  • http://hotmail.com The WZA

    I like D-Wade. He is right, they did go through some unfair stuff, but so did the Detroit Pistons when they were the “Bad Boys.” Got to man up a little.

  • ThaWindy

    Its called pride Mr. Wade and some believe it comes before every fall. I thought that they didnt care about what people said about them. I guess they do after all.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Because dancing around on a stage and promising rings shouldn’t possibly lead to unfair scrutiny. Take some responsibility.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    To be fair, obviously there are people in the world who have “realer” struggles than the ones the Miami Heat went through last season, but at the same time, these guys should be allowed to feel that “professionally,” they were indeed judged harshly and some of the criticisms of them were, at times, unfair.
    Well, all except for Chris Bosh collapsing like a woman in the hallway after they lost to Dallas. That’s unforgivable…
    In any case, each player, whether speaking to it directly or circuitously, expressed in retrospect how they would’ve handled free-agency 2010 differently, but the reality is that they can’t go back and change it and they have to deal with what comes along as a result.
    Obviously, from a financial perspective they are far better off now than where they were with respect to the situations that they came from, but to use that solely as the basis for saying they have no reason to complain about anything, whatsoever, *is* a bit unfair.
    Everyone wants to be praised for doing well at their jobs, and these guys do that. So it’s certainly not unreasonable for them to feel a bit slighted in that regard.
    This was also very tough for me to say…

  • http://aol QGallday

    WHEN U SO SO SO SO GOOD..THE GOTTA HATE..JUS THE WAY THE GAME GO…KEEP BANGIN DWADE….HEATCHEKKKK!!!MERCURY BURSTIN THE THERMOMETERS AND ALL THAT BOIIII!

  • Fat Lever

    The lockout may prevent basketball from being played, but apparently it doesn’t prevent D-Wade from what seems to be quarterly whining about how everyone hates the Heat. “Sensitive thugs, yall all need hugs”.

  • SikhWitIt

    @ Bryan: I think that’s a well-reasoned response but it’s not one I buy. This constant whining is getting disrespectful now, and it has to stop. It is disrespectful to the players that went before him, it is disrespectful to the game, and it is disrespectful to all those less well-off. Everyday people, like us, don’t want to come on here to find these guys complaining time and time and time again. Yes he is human, he is prone to complaining and all of our species’ other shortfalls, but there is a time and a place, and doing it when there’s a microphone in his face ain’t it. The greatest values professional sports imparts to society are values of teamwork, courage, and perseverance–as members of humanity, we need reminders of these values now more than ever.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I don’t see anything wrong with what CB did after losing in the Finals. People get on an athlete’s case when they show little to no emotion after a big loss but when guys like CB show emotion and breakdown after such a heartbreaking loss, we make fun of him and label him weak minded. What gives?

  • Thor

    Word Bryan.

  • neaorin

    “We loved to hush everyone up, well right up until the moment we didn’t, then all of a sudden we were just playing because we loved the game”. That’s pure gold.

  • http://www.nba.com Gman

    wtf you all shouting about lol the man said its unfair, and ended it with its just basketball at the end of the day…

    lol

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @SikhWitIt: I can rock with that. If there is one thing that I absolutely have no time and/or patience for is someone who constantly complains. That could quite possibly be my biggest pet peeve in life.
    @JTaylor: I’ve seen guys cry after losing. Hell, I’ve cried myself on several occasions after losing big games when I was in HS. It’s natural and I have no problem with it. But if you’re going to sit here and defend Chris Bosh for falling out the way that he did and behaving like a mother burying their child at a funeral all because he lost a basketball game, then I have nothing else to say to you.
    I’m sure that loss sucked and I know that it hurt, but at least have some pride as a man for crying out loud! Walk out with your head held high and your chin up! Your teammates don’t need to see you fall out and faint and act like a freaking diva while they’re picking you up off the floor. Gimme a break.

  • Alex

    I am tired of the Miami Heat talking about how unfair criticism is. Until LeBron, D-Wade, and Bosh came together with the Heat, the Lakers were possibly the most hated team in the NBA, and what did they do? They won back-to-back titles. Much as I respect D-Wade, if he wants people to shut up, the Heat gotta win a couple of rings.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    While fairness is subjective, if you use proximity to poverty as your determinant for who is allowed to complain, then pretty much everybody in America should shut the hell up.
    EVERYONE
    Have y’all checked out so called “third world” countries lately? So, based on the logic that if have things better than a lot of people you shouldn’t complain about fairness, everyone in American needs to stop complaining about fairness. Immediately.
    If not, then stop using that logic to downplay what Wade said. Find another reason.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Man, it’s not just his collapse after the finals loss, that was just the culmination of a season worth of b*tchassness.
    First he’s screaming at the top of his lungs at their pre-season celebration like they won something.
    Then the whole thing with Omer Asik and his whole “don’t go for the ball. People got families to feed” quote.
    Then Boozer’s elbow tickles the end of his nose and he collapses like Brian Urlacher and Julius Peppers just tackled his a** (what is it about the Chicago Bulls that brings out the b*tch in him? They’re like the Common to his Cube)
    And there’s more of course, but that’s just straight off the dome.
    By the time it got to the finals debacle, I mean, dude ain’t even worth defending anymore.
    He’s a great player, I’ll admit, besides his putrid 1/18 game he roasted the Bulls last season.
    But he’s still soft like that Twinkie filling!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^Sadly, this is true.
    He and Gasol are fighting for the softest big in the League right now, and Gasol is only ahead on points slightly.

  • JP

    don’t forget that Gasol is a 2 times NBA champion

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Well, at this point I much rather have softies like Gasol and CB on my team than Amare and KG, who’s perceived as being tough guys. Let’s not forget that soft guy Gasol roasted big, bad KG in the ’10 Finals and CB had his way with Bos and Chi’s frontline during the playoffs.
    Being tough is overrated in basketball, look at Oakley. One of the baddest motherf*cker to step on a court, yet the guy couldn’t hit a 10-footer to save his life. Dirk on the other hand has being considered soft his entire career yet here he is with a ring, finals MVP and 25/10 career playoff avg.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Showing emotion is one thing. Acting like a b*tch is something totally different.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    DAMNIT.
    Hate when my comments don’t post.
    Especially long ones.
    Anyways – short version. AllenP is on point. Kids everywhere are starving. You think you got problems? Look up Kevin Carter’s picture of the poor Sudanese girl dying of starvation, while a vulture is stalking her.
    It gets no realer.
    Breaks my heart.
    I know I don’t have everything I want, but I have everything I need.
    None of us should have sh*t to complain about, but we all do. Why criticize someone else for complaining just cause they’re richer than you are, when we’re all in the top 10% of the world’s wealthiest?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Being soft is one thing. Being a b*tch is something totally different, too.

  • MikeC.

    @Enigmatic – word to Common Sense.

  • AQWORD

    Enigmatic Wins handz down !!!! While B.C. falls into the later category of his own judgement. BEEEEEEEEEEHATCH !!!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, BS. It’s not DWade or any athlete’s obligation to feed starving children, it’s up to the government to take care of it’s own people and if it’s unable to do so, it’s up to the international committee aka the UN. How can you expect athletes to do anything when the developed world and the UN don’t give a damn?
    Look at what happened in places like Sudan and Rwanda, the US and UN knew exactly what was going on in regards to the genocide but stood by and watched millions of people get slaughtered because it wasn’t in their best interest (oil, money, resources) to intervene.
    Please, blame the US and other countries first before you start blaming “rich” folks.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    AQWORD is funny.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    cosign allenp … wade’s not saying HIS life is unfair because obviously his life is incredible… he just feels that some of the criticism was undeserved… and let’s keep it real it alot of it absolutely was. So let’s all just chill with the “they’re millionaire’s they have nothing to complain about talk” because that has nothing to do with what wade’s saying… and personally guys? it’s the nba finals… if i lost it, especially after going through hell all season.. I’d cry and i’m know a lot of ya’ll would too.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lmao… cosign enigmatic above as well

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    INTERESTING COMMENTS. ESP FROM CRAWFORD. LIFE IS GRAND PEOPLE. TAKE A BREATH. . FEEL THAT OXYGEN. LOOK UP AT THE SKY.. DO SOMETHING CRAZY.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Wow, JTaylor.
    Just…wow.
    You COMPLETELY missed the point of my comment.
    Where the hell did I mention anything about anyone, rich or poor, private citizen or government, being obligated to feed starving children?
    Read my comment again.
    What I said was we need to stop b*tching about rich people b*tching when none of us really have anything to really, REALLY b*tch about compared to the rest of the world.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    datkid, you obviously have no idea what we’re talking about with regard to Bosh’s actions after the Game 6 loss. I dunno, it might be on YouTube by now. Look it up and then get back to me…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Reading for comprehension is a lost art around here…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you think Gasol roasted KG we weren’t watching the same Finals.
    And that was when KG was on ONE LEG!
    What I remember was that as the Finals went on, KG started feeling better and better and Gasol couldn’t handle him. In fact, I remember KG giving Gasol the business in Game Seven before Gasol got away with an obvious foul that killed KG’s roll. And of course Doc allowing Pierce to iso against Artest when Artest was playing the game of his life on both ends.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And your comment about Oakley shows an appalling lack of basketball knowledge.
    Oakley was known for two things: bruising defense and a PURE mid-range jumper.
    Every thing you say from this point on is suspect after that comment about one of my favorite players of the 90s.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Cosign Bryan Crawford’s entire body of commenting work on this thread. ANd Cosign enigmatic as well. some of the other comments in here are just befuddling.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Allenp: NOW you take that stance?! So dude’s been getting an “NO Pass” from you all this time even though he’s said far more outrageous things?! Impressive, your patience and tolerance is.

  • bull22

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA, LOVE this complaining about the world hates us! WAAAAA

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Might as well cosign AllenP’s last 2 comments as well.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Come on son, Oakley never had a pure mid-range jumper unless my eyes were fooling me because I remember him missing easy shot after easy shot against the bulls in the 92 and 93 playoffs. You might want to refresh your knowledge about 90s basketball by watching some games again.
    Also, I’m sorry but grabbing 3 rebs in one of the biggest games of your career isn’t what I would call giving someone the “business”
    Enigmatic, my fault. Just had to get that off my chest.
    Looks like Mr. Subliminal is back at it. That’s what happens when rappers are your idol.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nah, I’ve seen AllenP get on JTaylor before.
    Their exchange after JTaylor said he was humble like D Rose was particularly funny.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    No bruh, I’m absolutely right and you are absolutely wrong.
    This isn’t even a debate. Oakley hit jumpers. That’s all he did on offense. That was his entire game.
    Also, I can’t argue with you if you’re only going to use stats. I’m telling you from watching the game that Gasol wanted nothing to do with KG on that block face-up. KG was owning him. Yeah, Gasol was getting boards, but he was not killing KG, nor could he stop KG. That just didn’t happen.
    The Celtics were the worst rebounding team in the league that year if I’m not mistaken. The Lakers were one of the best.

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Don-t-tell-Kobe-Bryant-what-he-can-t-do?urn=nba-233572 nbk

    Oakley didn’t come into the league with a good mid range jumper, but it developed. This should be common knowledge to anyone that watched hoop in the 90′s.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Matic, I’ve seen him get on dude, too, but he’s only *now* saying that any further comments are suspect. Like the Oakley one he just made. Dude watched a couple old Playoff games on NBA TV and now he’s a Charles Oakley and 90′s era basketball expert. Like you said earlier, just…wow.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    All right. I’m wrong and y’all right about defending Charles Oakley aka the purest mid-range shooter of all-time, sheeeeeeeeeeeeit!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    KG and Pau were inconsistent during the finals that year, both having big games, and terrible games. KG basically airballed a dunk attempt during one game in which he really struggled.
    Jtaylor, in the interest of consistency, why didn’t you defend Rose yesterday just for having an opinion.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    JTaylor just admitted he was wrong. We now know the cause of “the earthquake.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    FUN TIMES IN HERE

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Also, I watched Gm7 and apart from a 3-5 minute stretch in the 3rd qtr, KG wasn’t abusing anyone. The guy had 17/3 for Christ’s sake, even if he had all those 17 in the first 3qtrs, that still doesn’t equate into giving Gasol the “business”. Gasol on the other hand damn near had a 20/20 vision night (19/18) and KG, Rasheed and the entire celtic frontline couldn’t keep him out of the paint and off the line (13 Fts), so if you’re going to claim that anyone was getting abused that night, let it be KG.

  • Ali

    AT THE END OF THE DAY, how many time you gonna say that in one interview….Come on D-Wade, didn’t you go to class in college?
    Sounds like a clown to me. Oh and I don’t feel sorry for you or the rest of the heat.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Like I said, K.G. was on one leg, and that obviously affected him as the game wore on without Perkins. I mean, just from the stats you posted, KG almost matched Gasol’s scoring output despite only scoring in three quarters.
    Gasol couldn’t guard KG. It was obvious to me. It wasn’t as obvious to the team and Doc who thought free throw line isos and pick rolls with Pierce were his best option.
    Gasol and Bosh are soft.
    Amare is soft on defense
    KG has never been soft, but he is old.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Ray Allen has a “pure” jumpshot, Dirk has a “pure” jumpshot, Glen Rice had a “pure” jumpshot, Terry Porter had a “pure” jumpshot, MJ had the “purest” j of all time. Charles freaking Oakley was a decent jumpshooter but the boy never had a “pure” jumpshot. Hell, his teammate PEwing had a better mid-range than him. Stop it, just stop it.

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    *comes in like eboy*
    Hey losers, I’m done with you guys
    *rides off into sunset&

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Eboy is taking the lock-out personal.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    MJ had the “purest” J of all time? Word?

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Don-t-tell-Kobe-Bryant-what-he-can-t-do?urn=nba-233572 nbk

    “One of the baddest motherf*cker to step on a court, yet the guy couldn’t hit a 10-footer to save his life.” this is what you said JTaylor, quit trying to make it seem like we are calling Charles Oakley, Mark Price.

  • bike

    “Then they became right again”. Right about what D? That the criticism was deserved after all? That you guys did not deliver as promised? Stop moaning and use what happened as motivation to win the chip next year–that is if there is a next year. Oh, and by the way, did you know the owners are really pissed at you guys for assembling a super team? Does that make you sad too?

  • T-Money

    Mmm. Oakley TOOK a lot of jumpers but he wasn’t pure, merely adequate. Making a lot of money doesn’t stop you from having feelings andexpressing opinions. Some critic s were fair, others weren’t (skip, woj, chuck). Gasol and Bosh are the softest PFs in the league but lets not forget that they’re also top 3 at their position. A soft player can still be very productive. Bosh was the softest big on the floor at all times in the Chicago series but he repeatedly abused booz, noah and gibson. Straight slaughtered them.

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    Guys, relax, JTaylor probably lives on the east coast and was just shaken by the earthquake so he wrote something he didn’t mean to write. Drop the D-Wade like critisism here!!!

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Bosh is top 3? I would take Blake Griffin, Gasol, Dirk, Aldridge, Amar’e and Randolph over him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I didn’t call anyone a loser, Jukai……yesterday.

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    Aldridge, & Dirk are the only 4′s i’d take over Bosh. But hey i’m partial to defense and bigs who can hedge tHe pick and roll.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    you think Miami would be better with Randolph? He would give them a low post presence, and with Bron and Wade the team is always going to be good defensively any way.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    “Pure” was a poor word choice. I apologize.
    You were still wildly off base.
    That is all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would take Dirk, Blake, ZBo and Gasol over Bosh.
    But I don’t think that all of those guys are better than him right now, I just like where their skills lie compared to his own, particularly Blake and Z-Bo.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Really? No one would take Boozer over Bosh?
    Good. Neither would I.

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    imo AllBall no, but thats more because I see Randolph as a ball stopper on offense. If Miami had more shooters, or Wade and James had better jumpers I would say Randolph wouldnt make them
    Worse, he’d just change their strengths. But with the current Roster Boash is almost perfect, pivk and pop 4 who can fit that wild defensive system in Miamo. Randolph would cause a big whole on that end IMO.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I don’t think Bosh or Gasol are unanimous in the top 3, particularly after Gasol in this years play-offs. You can guarantee that if they didn’t have that softness about them they would be unanimously top 3.

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    On the phone, typos galore

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Boozer isn’t in my top 3 power forwards on the Bulls. Gibson… Who else plays the 4 for them?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Sometimes Noah, sometimes Kurt Thomas. Yeah, they might both be better 4′s than Boozer. Ha.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I don’t know who’s better per se, but i’d personally take 5-7 PF before i’d take Bosh. Give me, Dirk, Gasol, Griffin, Love, Randolf, KG, Lamar Odom… Maybe I just don’t appreaciate his skills though.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Following in the footsteps of Slam’s Gandalf, I too must apologize. What I mean to say was that dude couldn’t hit a layup consistently and that being tough doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re as skilled or valuable as a soft guy.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Kevin Love over Chris Bosh? No way. Never that.

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    We all realize Bosh was a 24 and 11 On 50% shooting type PF before Miami right? I mean Lamar Odom? Lakeshow you crazy slamily

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I remember. Dude can play.
    But Z-Bo gets buckets on the block, and he hits jumpers. Not the same defender at all, but not useless either. And ZBo don’t fold.

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    It’s hard to gauge Kevin Love, especially when comparing him to other power forwards. He’s clearly a ridiculously good rebounder, and he’d be ridiculously good on any system.
    I want to know how good his offense actually his on a real team, and I want to see more of this “super passing” which everyone keeps saying Kevin Love has but I rarely ever see.
    Yet, if we’re going to sh*t on KLove for putting up 21-15 on 47/41/85 because it was on a bad team, shouldn’t we do the same for Bosh’s 24/11 on 50%?

  • bike

    I’ll take Josh Smith over Bosh any day. I would have him focus on defense and shot blocking. The main problem with Bosh is that it is obvious his mama did not let him play with his sh*t long enough as a child.

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    I can’t even tell if Bike is joking or not.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Shouldn’t we also do the same for BGriff’s 22/12/4/50% on a terrible team?
    I know that he was a rookie but the hype is getting out of hand. Comparing him to TD? The guy played zero defense last year and the team basically had the same record this season (32-50) as last (29-53) meanwhile rookie TD led the Spurs to a 56-26 season and second round playoff appearance.
    BGriff is going to be a great player but he was a long ways to go before we start comparing him to the GPFOAT.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Sorry ya’ll, just can’t lie. I’d take Odom over Bosh. I mean it’s not that crazy even if you don’t agree. If Odom started for the Lakers instead of Gasol he’d put up 18,10,4,1,1+ i’d imagine. Whats so crazy about taking an equally skilled player over another one. I think Odom brings more to the table. And yes, I also stick by K-Love. I don’t know why you guys don’t like the guy. He is clearly one of the best PF’s in the League. I seem to put the fact that he’s on the T-Wolves make him stink. KG, didn’t put up great numbers right away and look how that guy turned out. K-Love shoots the ball from everywhere at a high %. He rebounds better than anyone in the L. Disagree if you want, but i’m sticking with my picks. I will admit that it’s possible I don’t see and appreciate with Bosh does tho. I don’t dislike him, but I don’t like him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you think Lamar Odom is equally skilled to Chris Bosh then you haven’t been paying attention.
    Odom is NOT one of the best power forwards in the League any more than Jason Terry is one of the best two guards in the League.
    The only thing Kevin Love truly does better than Chris Bosh is rebound. Everything else goes to Bosh.
    Bosh has a nasty jumper, really nice face up game, soft hands, and some back to the basket game. He shows well on picks, lays solid defense against his man, and rotates well.
    Dude’s biggest flaws are an overreliance on jumpers and shared emotions. That’s it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor, I feel you for the most part on your 4:31 comment, but it irks me when people say Tim Duncan led the Spurs to a huge turnaround from a season ago and into the playoffs in his rookie year without acknowledging that David Robinson only played six games the year prior to Duncan’s rookie year, which is the main reason they even stunk enough to get the #1 pick.
    The year before that, the Spurs went 59-23.
    Robinson was just as important as Duncan to the Spurs in TD’s rookie year, they had almost identical numbers.

  • SikhWitIt

    I’m with Lakeshow on this one, I’d take Odom over Bosh too. Also, it’s pretty convenient for your argument to highlight Bosh’s stats in Toronto when there was no legitimate second scorer. Odom has put up respectable numbers with Kobe and Pao taking the lion’s share of the shots. And I have to disagree with Allenp when he says that Bosh “plays solid defense against his man, and rotates well.” I’ve watched Bosh a lot and can’t think of a single instance where he’s blocked a shot in a help D situation. Further, Odom is a far superior on-ball defender when he wants to be, the guy has the ability to dawg his man all the way out on the 3-point line. They’re both emotionally fragile though, come to think of it, I wouldn’t want either…

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    KG put up great numbers from year two (1997-98) until his health started failing in 08-09. Dont know what your talking about, and Garnett’s strength was defense, which is Kevin Love and Lamar Odom’s weaknesses. Love put up the best offensive numbers of any 4 not named Dirk (shot 40ish% from 3 as well) but he guards nobody, helps on defense never. And Chris Bosh is clearly better and more effective then Odom – and Odom played 32MPG its not like he played bench minutes.

  • brandon

    Youre team will get your ring. It just that publicity will always follow LEBRON

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    What can Chris Bosh can do that Lamar Odom can’t? The only thing I can think of is his J is better. Odom and Bosh are = defenders, = rebounders, = post players. Bosh is a better shooter in the mid range. Odom is a better outside shooter. I’d take Odom slightly in the post. He’s quicker, equally strong. Odom can play the Point Forward and arguably any other position on the court. Bosh is exclusivley a 4. Don’t let the fact that he backs up a top 3 PF, and a top 5 Center fool you into thinking he is a back up for any reason other than the fact of how good the other guys are in front of them. Saying he’s like Jason Terry is a disgrace. Terry comes off the bench because he is to small to start and play major mins at the two w/o becoming a liability. He plays no defense. He isn’t a very good playmaker. He hits shots thats it. Catches and shoots. Odom can do EVERYTHING.

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    1996-97*

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, I understand what you’re saying but San Antonio never came close to winning a chip with DRob while it only takes them 1.5 seasons to win a chip with TD as their go-to guy. I agree with you 100%, I’m just trying to compare TD’s rookie season to BGriff’s.

  • Heals

    The Miami Heat – certifiably lock-out proof…

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    Odom CAN do everything. But the difference between Odom and every other top tier PF in NBA history is consistency. Last season was Odom’s first season where he was consistent, And he averaged 14 and 8 in 32 minutes, or 16 and 10 per 36, playing with a top 5 center basically at all times (Gasol or Bynum, both are/would be top 5 centers) Bosh was at 18-8 per 36, always being guarded by the best big on the floor, and being the 3rd option. I realize Odom is a 3rd-4th option, but it would be that way for him on every playoff team in the NBA – Bosh is a 3rd option on only 1-team in the NBA. (Defensively Bosh is better then Odom at everything but rebounding – but that could be a function of personnel as much as skill). Regardless consistency wins out every single time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What Lamar Odom “can” do and what Lamar Odom “does” every night have been vastly different since he was getting high with the Clippers.
    Bosh has blocked some shots, but help defense isn’t about blocking shots. Kenderick Perkins doesn’t block a huge amount of shots, but prior to his injury he was one of the best help defenders in the league. Help defense is about cutting off lanes and forcing extra passes, and while Bosh doesn’t block shots, he does take charges and he cuts off easy buckets.

  • http://Nba.com GP23

    Funny how we go from hatin’ Wade, to government issues, and then comparing Odom and Bosh……….. Hilarious, (you gotta love this site).

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Regardless of who’s better, at this point in their careers I’d take Bosh anyways over Odom simply because Bosh is about 4-5 years younger.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    and better

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    That too

  • SikhWitIt

    I’m not sure I really see Bosh doing those things you mentioned so much as Haslem and Anthony. Nevertheless, here are the raw numbers from last season:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p2=odomla01&y2=2011&p3=boshch01&y3=2011

    The difference is not as stark as you all make it out to be. Comparing them last year also accounts for them BOTH being the third option. Finally, bear in mind that Lamar is a good 5-6 years older than Bosh.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Kobe’s 33rd Birthday so in celebration his top 10 career memories. BallisLife. Click the name

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Good points NBK, Consistency is where Odom falls back. I love his game and skills so I am over rating him a little bit. As far as skills go he has always been a top 3 PF. But there is a reason why is not a top 5 or maybe in even 10 to some people. Alas Odoms Kryptonite, bringing it every night. Thanks for the above post too, i only get on Slam for basketball these days so I woulda missed that.

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Don-t-tell-Kobe-Bryant-what-he-can-t-do?urn=nba-233572 nbk

    I know where your coming from. With this overrat(ion) you have earned full fledged Laker Fan status IMO. lol – but yeah thought y’all Laker lovers (also pure basketball fans as well) would enjoy that.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Nothing is “unfair” about what the Heat “went through” last year. They brought it upon themselves with all the self promotion. When you ask for attention you are going to get it, and you can’t necessarily control what kind of attention you get.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    LOL. Those videos are some of the reasons why i’m still a PRO basketball fan today. I didn’t have allot of love for the game once the Sonics left, but I kept watching my favorite player and he kept me coming back for more. Those daggers in the last game of the season against Portland were two of the most crazy game winning(OT extending) shots ever! With the Mavs one I can’t help but wonder if Kobe woulda scored more than his High of 81 if he played the 4th vs the Mavs…

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Don-t-tell-Kobe-Bryant-what-he-can-t-do?urn=nba-233572 nbk

    Yeah that Mavs game, IMO is more impressive then the 81. Especially because it was against the Mavs, and not the Raptors. — and that streak of 65 50 60 50 was one of if not the best string of games i’ve ever seen.

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Don-t-tell-Kobe-Bryant-what-he-can-t-do?urn=nba-233572 nbk

    that and Iverson’s week of 40 games as a rookie are my favorite regular season stretches by an individual players of my lifetime.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Cosign nbk Posted: Aug.23 at 5:45 pm Post, some of the sickest Kobe videos ever. Click his name and see why Kobe is a top 5 ALL TIME GREAT!! BOOK THAT!!!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ugghhh, hey seed.

  • http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Don-t-tell-Kobe-Bryant-what-he-can-t-do?urn=nba-233572 nbk

    whoa whoa don’t be making it sound like I said that. Kobe ain’t no top 5′er, he’s just had a great career.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So what are you, Spanny, UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER, the nerve, and bull22 up to tonight Seed?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    ^^^ “The Fab 5″

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    The SEED will mostly likely be bellying up to the bar and telling all who will listen all about his shattered dreams of one day becoming a booking agent, all the while everyone will slowly step away from his vicinity in a matter reminiscent of the Kool-Aid Man in the first ever episode of Family Guy, due to their mistaken belief that he may suffer from Tourrette’s as a result of his intermittent shouts of “BOOK IT!!!!”
    Sorry, y’all. I’m mad bored. I got 15 minutes left of work and I’m Audi 500!

  • T-Money

    lol people REALLY don’t like bosh. odom has NEVER made an all-star team, i repeat NEVER. an we’re seen what he could do as a 1st option: 18-19 ppg on a terrible team. i like odom because he’s smooth but come on. i would take dirk (no explanation needed) and gasol (more natural at the 5) over bosh at the 4-spot. i should have also included blake griffin. i don’t think stoudemire, love, z-bo are better than bosh when accounting for all aspects of the game. but yeah he’s charmin soft.

  • MLK4Life

    D-Wade can blame his younger friend from Akron, Ohio for the “unfair treatment”. No one really dished anything D-Wade’s way if I remember correctly. It was all towards LeBron and Bosh. The only heat, no pun intended, that D-Wade took was in Chicago. The only boos I heard for him were in Chicago. This is a man who basically won a championship singlehandedly when he was just 24 years old. No pressure is really on him. The bulk of the pressure is on No. 6. D-Wade has shown he can get it done. Your turn Mr. James.

  • MLK4Life

    And let’s get this out of the way. If anyone should be completely left alone here, it’s Bosh. He plays a different kind of game. Much like Pau Gasol. Comments about his sexuality are out of bounds. He’s a basketball player. Talk about how he plays basketball, which he happens to play very well. What happened to respect? He’s the only one who has stood up like a man and admitted that last summers festivities were stupid, which they were to anyone who doesn’t live in Miami or anyone who didn’t jump on the Heat bandwagon as soon as LeBron’s TV show went off.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Enig that shi+ was mad funny. I had it all pictured perfectly in my mind lol. T-Money just so you know I think Bosh is a better player I just would rather have Odom on my team. The things he can do are endless. I think he’s a better team/glue guy than Bosh. I feel like Bosh has a 1st option mentallity with 3rd option skills. Personally.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Hi. Eboys back.

    ; )

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    Lakeshow: Actually, I agree with you on one point. For a first option, I’d take Bosh. For a second option, its close but I’d probably take Bosh. For a third option, I’d probably take Odom. Bosh really was not comfortable in the third man role.
    Still, it was only year one with a coach who ran zero offensive sets. May change my mind in the future.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Oh the Heat threads, always bringung out the usual suspects.
    Lakeshow’s remark about the ‘fab 5′ hanging out made me chortle.
    Funny ish.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    “Did you hear that their celebrating National LeBron James Observance Day in Cleveland? Everyone gets to leave 12 minutes early.”

    “Lebron is thinking of starting his own cell phone company. Rumor has it the roaming charges will be liberal but the phones will have no rings.”

    “Why didn’t LeBron James go to college? He didn’t want to show up for finals.”

    “Did you hear Lebron is changing his nickname from ‘The King’ to ‘The LeBron Stopper’?”

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’m going to start the 2011-12 season as a ‘LeBron hater’…. See if those shoes feel comfy.

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    As long as you disappear once Lebron starts doing well and the Lebron slurpers declare him the next Jordan, you’ll be fine.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre
  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    hahaaa @ Juks.
    —-
    I linked to an article regarding LeBron – It’s interesting but makes for only a passing read – it’s in moderation at present.
    —-
    I want to see how LeBron rebounds from this past finals run. He could become the greatest ’2nd best player on any team’ akin to Scottie Pippen?!
    —-
    The thing is the Suns’ Steve Nash is next to get his championship ring now so LeBron has to wait a little longer again….
    —-
    To think if Dirk and the mavs didn’t have that bad ref call in the first meeting against the heat in the finals Dirk would have TWO rings and TWO MVP trophies….

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Enigmatic, I am a booking agent that speaks the truth.
    Lakeshow, do not every put me in that fab 5.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    He’s a question: what was UNFAIR about the scrutiny the Heat experienced last season?
    —–
    Eboy…your thoughts?

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    Dacre, you can’t seriously think Wade is better than Lebron, right?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    fab 5…. as in fabricated 5….

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    hahahaha…
    —-
    Well seriously…. let me try and word this. And I’ll just try and make it simple. More for myself otherwise I get real confused with what I’m thinking and what i type: like the johnson comparison mistake…

    BRB

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Whatever you say, Seed. LOL.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Okay – Wade has accomplished more and with his NBA finals win and championship I feel he is better than LeBron. Seriously. I could cut and paste stats highlighting their differences/similarities in PPG/APG/RPG combine that with their positions on the floor… I feel LeBron SHOULD have more of an IMPACT (theres my word again) on the outcome of games but Wade has lived up to and exceeded that potential. Thus to me; he has been the better player.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Jukai,”declare him the next Jordan”, word? When have you ever seen me refer to Bron as the next MJ? As much as I admire Bron, dude will never be as great as MJ was, matter of fact, no perimeter player in history comes close to matching MJ’s skills and accomplishments.
    You’re barking up the wrong tree though. Go talk to your neighborhood DRose fan, those guys are more than willing to proclaim him the next MJ.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I feel that LeBron followed Wade… and LeBron would feel that Wade is better than him also…?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LMAO!
    JTaylor – the LAST people who would EVER try to anoint Derrick Rose “The Next Michael Jordan” are the same people who watched Michael Jordan’s every game from 1984 (or whenever they started watching NBA) through 1998, i.e. Bulls fans.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Taylor…. whoa.
    —-
    Thurl Bailey.

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    @Dacre: Well, Wade has had a better career, for sure. If both died in a car explosion tomorrow (your favorite comparison), history would remember Wade more favorably. For all intents and purposes, Wade is a top-5 shooting guard and Lebron really can’t crack the top-5 SF list yet (one could argue that there are more great SFs than SGs, but I would tell them to shove it). But accomplishments in the pasts only matter when comparing careers: Lebron right now is better than Wade. I mean, Kobe is a top-10 talent and Lebron needs to do a WHOLE lot to be regarded as a better overall player… but he’s a better player right NOW.
    I also don’t exactly agree that Wade always comes through and Lebron doesn’t. Lebron’s clutchness is really bizarre, it’s not like guys like Garnett and Hayes who regularly shrunk— he’s much more like Chamberlain, with bouts of extreme dominance and also unexplained disappearence when it mattered most. It’s hard to categorize Lebron, I think it’s more of a comfort thing that an actual pressure thing. When Lebron is comfortable with his game, no matter what the pressure, he wont phase. When he’s pushed out of his comfort zone, he takes HUGE steps back… this isn’t exactly what you want from the best player in the NBA, but it’s better than “oh god, it’s the fourth quarter, everyone is watching me…!”
    And I do find this interesting: Wade disappeared against Chicago but Lebron carried them through the series. Lebron disappeared against Dallas and Wade couldn’t carry them. Any comment on that statement?

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    And Lebron followed Wade because Miami could aquire Bosh WITH Lebron, while the Cavaliers could not sign both Wade and Bosh. It is also Cleveland vs Miami. One can be angry at Lebron for abandoning Cleveland and teaming up with other superstars, but I always found it kinda weird that Lebron going to Miami gave people the perception that Wade was better.
    Also, JTaylor, I never name dropped you, man. A lot of people were logically debating “Well… LEbron is a better passer and rebounder, Jordan was a better scorer and defender so it kinda rounds out!” in SLAM after Lebron singlehandedly reemed Chicago. I just think it’s CRAZY how when Lebron succeeds, he’s Larry Bird on steroids, and when he fails, you might as well trade him for JJ Reddick.

  • Justin

    Why is it that people think just because a guy makes a lot of money, he’s not entitled to be emotional about losing? Does a surgeon lose the right to be upset if one of his patients dies on his table? No, of course not. When you’re out there playing, you’re not thinking of the money or the fame. At least not the great ones. Their concern is winning and nothing else. And when are a lot of you going to realize that these guys aren’t just saying things for the sake of saying them. So many people with the “Why do these players keep talking like we care what they have to say?” They are answering questions! When being interviewed, it’s kind of what you’re supposed to do when asked something

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • Harlem_World

    Bosh is tissue soft. He has skills but is soft. He’s a 3 quarter guy. Use him for 3qts to put up numbers, but when it gets down to it and it’s time to man up – he’s not that guy. Unless he’s playing off someone else, which is why he’s a good fit for MIA. Much as the Heat got blasted by everyone last year, anyone who thinks they are not the team to beat over the next 3-5 years is crazy. They are only going to get better and add more relevant pieces. They are too talented.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Tha closest thing to Jordan is Kobe. Stop with tha Lebron talk. Even Phil Jackson said it. And if anybody can tell u that, its Phil. He said they’re pretty much equal except for Jordan’s hands

  • MLK4Life

    Whoa Harlem_World. Chris was the most consistent player in the playoffs for the Heat. LeBron came and went. Same with Wade. The team would do better if they involved Chris more often in the offense. People thought that LeBron would change into more of a playmaker in Miami since he had a top notch scorer and an above average scorer to play with. Instead, his game stayed the same. People talked about him averaging a triple double. I think the team would be better off if LeBron shot less and assisted more.

  • http://cnbc.com Steve

    Hey guys im new to this so don’t kill me when I ask this but does anyone here think MJ will ever be de-throned? Seems like people on this site can’t get over Jordan. I’m bot hating on any of you guys I admire Jordans game but I don’t label him as untouchable l

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Steve:
    Magic Johnson is the greatest player of all time.
    If you operate with that mentality, you’ll be fine. lol

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