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Tuesday, August 9th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  130 responses

LeBron James Working Out With Hakeem Olajuwon


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Kobe Bryant did it. So did Dwight Howard (twice, in fact.)

It’s now LeBron James’ turn to benefit from the tutelage of the NBA’s postgame Yoda.

James, long maligned for seemingly not working hard enough to develop a deadly postgame (despite obvious physical advantages over, well, everyone), has enlisted Hakeem Olajuwon to help change things.

From the AP:

“Right now I’ve just been focusing on being a better player, working on my game every single day,” James said. “Like I said, the Dallas Mavericks were a great team and they deserved to win that championship. And I’ll just use that as motivation coming into this season.”

He’s also trying to deliver on his vow to be even better whenever the Heat resume play, saying he’s been in Houston at times this offseason to learn post play from one of the game’s all-time greats, former Rockets star Hakeem Olajuwon.

“I look at what he was able to do throughout his career,” James said. “Unbelievable talent. Multiple champion. Just to see how he was able to dominate in the low post, for me as an individual, I just try to look at some of the things I feel I need to get better at and hit home at it. Our team becomes better if I continue to get better and that’s what it’s about.”

For about eight years now, fans and media have wondered why LeBron didn’t look more comfortable posting guys up, and instead focused on bull-rushing to the hoop or the long outside jumper.

It’s encouraging to learn that even the player many consider to be the best in the League, sees room for improvement in his game.

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  • Shem

    Exactly what he needed. Biggest weakness are post game and left handed dribbling. This should take care of that post game and then LeBron is becomes one of the hardest players in the league to guard.. if he wasn’t already

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Slow… Clap.

  • http://64dollacologne.tumblr.com/ cramzy

    dream should just open up a school

  • http://64dollacologne.tumblr.com/ cramzy

    …and how cool is it to have a nickname like “Dream” and be able to pull it off?

  • http://www.zpringbank.eu Jelte

    Eddy Curry is next?

  • seriousblack

    Good. Now get this kid a post game asap. He should have been on this four years ago.

  • YoungB

    If people thought it was hard to guard lebron before they aint seen nothing yet

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    This was/is the one missing aspect of his game. If he masters this he will be 100% unstoppable.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Everybody copying Kobe. BOOK IT!!

  • Danny_W_UK

    He needs to sort his head out next…..

  • queazy

    If LeBron starts working the paint, I guess this means Bosh should either start playing the 5 or start looking for work elsewhere. I would lean toward the latter. Make it happen, Riley!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Wondering when JTaylor comes in here and inexplicably makes this Kobe’s fault…In related news, nice to see Bron finally humbling himself to seek instruction from the best post player.

  • seriousblack

    So according to the Seed Kobe was the first to work on his post game. Brilliant. Nevermind the fact that Kobe is the basketball’s biggest swagger jacker.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • DieselMechanic

    It’s not rocket science Lebron. Just catch the ball in the post, face up, and attack the rim. Watch some old Karl Malone footage. Geesh.

  • LP

    wow…FACE UP???? thats what he doesn’t want to do , thats called a FACE UP game, POST GAME means your back is to the basket, protecting the ball, and backing your defender down to hit him with a series of moves.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    lol @ LP…yeah, I don’t think LBJ needs any help facing up…DieselMechanic – FAIL

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    dream will teach him all of that i’m sure. the point is that he should work on getting the ball in places where he’ll be able to take a higher percentage shot, be it by face up or post move or teleportation. if dwight improved as much as he did, lebron should be able to do at least that much.

  • http://www.nba.com TheBigL

    @LP. Nah, post game means game in the post. Old school post game is back-to-the-basket. Nowadays, I’d say it’s more and more face up. Still, I think what LeBron needs IS a back 2 basket post game. When he backs down he usually ends up passing the ball to a cutter or an open shooter.

  • T-Money

    shem: left-handed dribbling, really? you do know he’s actually a lefty who happens to shoot with his right hand?

  • jumpman22

    do they get discount if he brings CB in as well? He should be there.

  • Morgan

    Great decision but will need a lot more than a couple sessions with the Dream to become a good enough post player. Hopefully he can at least improve his footwork so he stops taking three steps on the regular. If he cant get the footwork down forget about the rest of it (hook shots, fadeaways, etc)

  • http://Dragonballz Poop

    I think that if Lebron gets a post up game, he will be as unstoppable as morgan freeman :) . But on a more serious note, Lebron alreaddy has a decent post up game, and you can see that by looking at the stats.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ 1982

    I dunno if it’s fair to say everyone copies Kobe when Kobe patented his game after someone too. But this is good, I hope he benefits from this.

  • mo

    Three things LeBron needs to work on: Technique, Footwork, and Post Position.

  • Yesse

    Love the comments.

  • http://cnbc.com Da_Real_JTaylor

    Copying Kobe?! Kobe might have had a postgame but you see how often he took advantage of that on the playoffs. Nobodies copying Kobe. Brons working on his game so he can win the championship this year and finally become 100% unstoppable

  • Red

    It’s about damn time he learned to play in the post! SMH

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Just because Kobe went to Hakeem to help get better doesn’t mean anyone is copying him. That’s like saying John Wall copied Derrick Rose because he was tutored by Rod Strickland.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    I really don’t think lack of a post game is LBJ’s problem. Work on it of course, but he needs to figure out what type of player he’s gonna be if he ever wants to get to the next level. Does he want to be an aggressive scorer that can pass, or a passer that can sometimes aggressively score?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    JTaylor
    I am the one using your sign in, Honestly its not me, I am not that petty.
    Kobe sought out Hakeem first to improve his post game. Lebron sees the success of Kobe post game and needs and wants it.
    nbk
    First of all no NBA player should be tutored by Rod Strickland period, go seek out Tim Hardaway or John Stockton or anybody else. Rod Strickland is on Kentucky bench he is lucky the Head Coach gave him a job.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    It’s the seed why even act like he’s here. And of course thats the first thing that comes to mind is the fact that Kobe had gone to Hakeem for years, and we saw Dwight do it also, and now Bron. He isn’t copying anyone any more than Kobe copys MJ. You look at the greats before you and you see what they did to become great, and you do the same yourself. It’s looking at the past and learning not copying. It’s scary now cause if Bron gets a post game he will be unstoppable.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    Wow Seed you must have no idea who Rod Strickland is.

  • irondan21

    Smh, about 3-4 years late.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Rod Strickland Tutored Derrick Rose, John Wall, Brandan Knight on how to become a POint GUard in the NBA. You know what else? Kyrie Irving is his GodSon. I’m pretty sure there isn’t a better POint Guard coach on earth.

  • MLK4Life

    Not like there’s going to be a season anyway. So he will have a lot of time to work on it.

  • seriousblack

    Funny how the Seed sees no problem with Kobe copying everything down to MJ’s mannerisms, something I find creepy, but a player Lebron’s size is copying Kobe in developing a post game. This guy is definitely off.

  • Rainman

    ABOUT TIME U GOT URSELF A POSTGAME! I;ve been saying this FOREVER, this guy couldnt post down Rajon Rondo in the playoffs! Hakeem is the guy to get u there.

  • Rainman

    And again…another idiotic comment by The Seed…BOOK IT!

    U must not know, Rod Strickland had himself VERY good career, and was a true point guard to the fullest extent. Best player to never be in an all star game… BOOK IT!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Rod Strickland was a good player, yall acting like he was ALL-NBA. Come on people. Also I can care less about overrated John Wall who plays better in street ball games, Brandan Kight career back up pure point guard/started for a few teams and Kyrie “should not have been picked number one” Irving–ex. Enes Kanter. I rather have BJ Armstrong teach point guard skills than Rod Strickland.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    BJ Armstrong!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    There you go, Lebron. Do what it takes to get to the promised land. @Seed STOP MAKING EVERYTHING INTO A KOBE vs. LEBRON DEBATE. Damn, you give Kobe fans a terrible name.

  • robb

    Great decision by Lebron. Athleticism isn’t eternal. A player with his size, strength and speed is great to see but his court vision, midrange shooting along with a post game will give him the weapons for a long career.

  • permaculture james

    This is good for Lebron. I also think he needs to learn to move without the ball so that he isn’t in that 1 v 5 situation at the top of the key — that is some ugly bball to me and can end up limiting team chemistry.

  • jay

    he should have done this 4 years ago..this should help him in the 4th instead of jacking up 3′s..that said..key to this is foot work and his foot work is atrocious and no i aint no lebron hater!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    If Lebron makes this post game work he’ll finally get the ring he emotionally scarred a whole city for.

  • JL

    nice lebron. finally turning it around and seeing the flaws in your game and working on them! he was able to dominate thru his career even without doing so but he has the potential to be the greatest ever if he really works on his game. and I’m not a fan of his personality. but he has got simply the best talent and loads of potential still. very durable player as well. makes next season more fun! oh crap… please, let there be a next season sooner rather than later.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Rod Strickland career stats, 13PPG 7APG 1.5SPG – Produced in his 5 year coaching career, 3 #1 Overall Picks (Despite only 2 PG being Picked #1 in NBA history prior), 1 MVP. Every PG he has coached since 2008 has been drafted in the lottery, Rose, Bledsoe, Wall, Knight. — BJ Armstrong is Derrick Rose’s agent, and has supplied nothing to make anyone intelligent think he would be good to have training point guards. Oh and Rod Strickland is considered by many as the most underrated PG in NBA history. Strickland averaged at least 17 points and eight assists per game for five consecutive seasons (1994-1998). – Brandon Jennings called Strickland a top 5 PG all time, just to show you how revered he is among actual NBA PG’s.

  • seriousblack

    How is John Wall overrated when in the ONE NBA season he’s had, he had a better rookie season than Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, and Russell Westbrook? Rod Strickland wasn’t a bum player but he’s a better teacher than he was a player, which is true of a lot of coaches/trainers. Your commeents just get dumber and dumber.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    “Guaranteed to make ‘em jump like Rod Strickland.”- Raekwon. Sorry whenever that names comes up the song “Triumph” flashes into my mind.

  • PlanetAsia14

    @ The Seed: Exactly what I was thinking…

  • seriousblack

    *comments

  • robb

    That being said I think it’s wrong to put all the responsibility on himself. Sure he has to get better, execute better at crunch time, etc, but the rest of the Heat (besides Wade and Bosh) need to embrace their roles. Three guys can’t win, a whole team must do the job, just like Dallas just did. The role players, the bench, everybody. Saying “If I get better, the team gets better” it’s brave and all but it takes more than that. Making it too easy on everybody is not so good, you make your teammates lazy, you make your teammates witnesses and that won’t get you rings.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Phantom I was bumpin Triumph like 2 days ago haha

  • http://cnbc.com Da_Real_JTaylor

    The seed your ignorant

  • AQWORD

    The Seed . haha . Don’t choke on a mouth full of yourself :-)

  • AQWORD

    Brevon Kite ? who dat ? Seed ?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    All I stated was Kobe started working with Hakeem first, then some cats want to act like I made that up. Also Kobe has studied MJ, but everyone has yall. I was not trying to turn this into a Kobe vs. Bron debate. Lebron choked this year and I was happy, so I am cool at Lebron trying to get better. But honestly Lebron needs to work on his post game, and his yes men camp should have had him do this a long time ago. Bron needs to get this point guard crap out of his mind and go into physical beast post up mode.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    FACT: LeBron James was significantly more effective in the post this season then Kobe Bryant. (Post moves mean nothing if you can’t use them effectively)

  • bike

    The best player in the league is going to get even better. If LBJ adds a serious post-game dimension to his skill set, he has a shot at GOAT.

  • MLK4Life

    LeBron will never be GOAT if his mindset stays where it is now. He can have all the skills in the world but if he doesn’t want to do anything in the fourth quarter, it won’t matter. D-Wade had to try to motivate him at times. I don’t remember ever seeing anyone nudge MJ to get him to be more aggressive. Let’s keep things in the proper perspective.

  • seriousblack

    No, you said everybody is copying Kobe. He wasn’t the first to work on his post game. And A lot of dudes study MJ, but no one but Kobe has literally tried to be him. It’s not like he just studied MJ’s game. He jacked his walk and his mannerisms. You’re always bringing Kobe up in Lebron discussions, and you always say baseless nonsense to prove your point.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Proper perspective would be remembering what he did in the 4th quarter of every other playoff series before Dallas. Its like all of you are a goldfish, who only remembers what happened most recently. LeBron is still ahead of the current GOAT in terms of career accomplishments at the same age. Everyone should keep that in mind before they come to these ridiculous conclusions. At 26 Michael Jordan was too interested in scoring to ever win a championship. Everyone that didn’t own Jordan’s that lived outside of Chicago felt that way, and now they are all hypocrites.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    This makes me so happy

  • MLK4Life

    If he’s going to be the GOAT, he has to do it every series. That’s the proper perspective. No conversation about GOAT with LeBron or anyone else until they do it when it means the most…The Finals. Every time. Jordan did. Wade even did.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Jordan didn’t win everytime. Just because he scored heeps of points doesn’t mean he always played great. gross. The magnificence of Jordan’s career is so overrated by some people. And completely underrated by Kobe fans, who will quickly jump on the other side when LeBron is involved. LeBron probably won’t be the GOAT, lik 90% likelyhood that he doesn’t get there. But as for at the age of 26 he is infront of Michael Jordan, a bad series in the finals or not.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Cosign nbk.. And shut up mlk4life Lebron can still be the G.O.A.T.

  • MLK4Life

    Jordan won in every Finals appearance and was the leading dog in each Finals series. How quickly people forget.
    @Datkid
    Kid is the proper name for you. LeBron will never be the GOAT. Why? He could win 2 or 3 championships and he’d still have two Finals series losses on his record.

  • zenBuhda

    Err how come you never see him face up from the post. He only attacks from 25 feet away. And facing up is what made Dream great you dummies.

  • shomilocdee

    MJ was gunnin 4 the scorin title ‘cuz he knew he could do it by himself.I think he also knew he had no shot at a title with the pre Pippen-Grant-Jackson Bulls.but I think he always wanted 2 win.so he won everything he could win by himself.

  • BAWSE

    How is a post game going to handle heart? He disappears in the 4th quarter EVERY game in the championship. 2.2 avg going into the elimination game in the finals. Lebrons game really needs a jumper more than a post game. Smart opponents clog the paint on the Lebron and Wade show. Neither can shoot but at least Wade doesnt shy away from a close game. Lebron needs to see the Wizard for heart and not Hakeem for some useless post moves that wont count once the 4th quarter hits.

  • BAWSE

    People want Lebron to be more than what he is. Only person that has touched a ball that is worthy of Mike debates resides in LA and his name ryhmes with TOBE!!!

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Michael Jordan has more season then LeBron James losing in the conference finals, first round and second round. Infact LeBron has never lost in the 1st round. So that whole never lost in the finals stuff is irrelevant. Every great players loses before they win, where they lose OBVIOUSLY doesn’t matter.

  • shomilocdee

    LBJ amazes me with his court vision.he’s also a physical freak.that would be an understatement 2 say he’s a great ballplayer.but 2 me he’s ugly 2 watch.Jordan was beauty personified.besides, Wade is Miami’s Jordan.if LBJ didn’t want 2 be Pippen he could have signed elsewhere.

  • MLK4Life

    How is losing in the Finals irrelevant? lol. That’s why you play the game. To win championships. MJ was 6 for 6 in the Finals. LeBron’s going on his 9th season. So let’s see what the Heat do whenever the NBA returns. Or you LeBron apologists and defenders will have to come up with more excuses for him.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Michael Jordan at 26 years old, No Finals Appearances, 1 MVP, 1 DPOY. Those are his most notable accomplishments at 26.

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    LeBron James at 26 years old, 2 Finals Appearances, 2 MVP’s. Those are his most notable accomplishments at 26. I’d give more credit to someone for atleast getting to the finals and winning that extra MVP then to someone who loses to the same team (Detroit) everytime they make it passed the first round and only has 1 MVP. So still, losing in the finals is irrelevant, if not a more significant of an accomplishment at the same age.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @nbk you have to put in consideration that the NBA was a much tougher league back when MJ played, he was getting battered by the Detroit Bad Boys. Sure, Lebron had issues with the modern-day Celtics but that doesn’t compare to playing against a team of all-out a**holes and losing three times. You could only imagine how much he despised losing to them.

  • shomilocdee

    don’t count James out.his career is not finished yet.look at Dirk:his killer “instinct” didn’t exist earlier in his career.he became a killer becuz he got his heart broken a few times.maybe Lebron will become a killer.maybe he’ll deserve his nickname.we’re all fueling him by doubtin him.

  • seriousblack

    Lebron came into the league as a teen so of course he has more seasons under his belt, but in an age to age comparison he comes out looking better as an individual player. If losing in the finals is relevant then so are the rest of the playoff loses. MJ lost in the playoffs more than Lebron. I’m not arguing that Bron is better, but for people to prematurely cut him out of the GOAT debate before his career is over is asinine. All because he lost in the finals? Kobe lost in the finals just as many times as Bron and dudes are still on his sack. All of his chips before age 27 were with Shaq so technically he didn’t win as ‘the man’ until he was in his 30s. MLK4life needs to stop being a hater like the Seed. I’m not even an LBJ fan.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    I know my dood. I’m just saying that losing in the finals is no more of a failure then losing in any other round. I am not saying LeBron will ever catch or eclipse MJ. Not at all, just that people that focus on irrelevant stuff like his loses in the final. Or when people focus on one piece of evidence to support their ignorant argument (4th quarters against Dallas) while completely ignoring all other evidence that completely contradicts that opinion (4th quarter every other playoff series of his career, except Dallas, 2 games against Orlando, and Boston in ’10) The evidence that he is one of the best 4th quarter players in the league, even in the playoffs is overwhelming, but still ignored. And that’s where I have my problem

  • MLK4Life

    Look at how many years he’s been in the league. At 9 years in the league, MJ had 3 Championships. At this point, LeBron has 2 MVP awards and 2 losses in the Finals. At the same point in their careers, MJ is up 3-0. As hard as you try, you won’t be successful at arguing that LeBron has any chance of being close to MJ and what he did in his career. The fact that you keep saying losing in the Finals is irrelevant is hilarious. So LeBron can keep losing in the Finals for the foreseeable future and you’d still be saying that it doesn’t matter? Ridiculous. I’ll also point out that four out of the five times MJ was MVP, his team went on to win a championship.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @nbk I cosign some of your statements.
    But Lebron at age 26 is not better than MJ or Kobe in my mind. Lebron has alot of time to improve. Wade was the best player on the Heat this year, even NBA anaylst stated this. Do I need to get proof. Lebron cannot be GOAT,being a free agent MVP, joining two All Stars during his prime. Poor Lebron he can’t win to lose, at least he is backing and taking up for Tebow now.

  • MLK4Life

    Also, the idea that someone is a hater just because they point out facts about a player is comical. I enjoy watching LeBron play. But the idea that it gets out of control when people compare him to MJ as if he has a chance of being in the GOAT conversation. Kobe isn’t even in the conversation so how can LeBron be? Newsflash, pointing out facts is not hating. Smarten up kids.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    You can’t read can you? I don’t care how many years they have been in the league, that to me doesn’t matter. They were both playing basketball at 19, 20, 21 – NBA or Not they were still getting experience. Age is all that matters to me. and at 26 LeBron has accomplished more. Put it anyway you like, but compare them at the same age, or else it isn’t worth talking about. MJ from 27 – 34 only lost 1 playoff series. LeBron turns 27 in december, and plays on the most talented team in the league. There is no reason to write him off. If he was in Cleveland still, then you could, cuz no way he could get the personnel to even compete with Jordan historically.

  • Shem

    @T-Money I do know that he writes with his left but on the court he is dominant with his right hand. Teams often force him left. Of course he generally makes the shot regardless but after watching him since he got in the L I think going left is a bit of a weakness for him

  • impartial5

    At the age of 26 he will still go down as one of the all-time greats. All great players have failed on the big stage and he is no different. A post game changes the dynamic, because it forces Dallas to double team, he is easier to guard on the perimeter.

  • bubblecat

    Chris Bosh should get lessons from the Dream.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    NOBODY stated Wade was better then James this year Seed. WTH are you talking about? Google everything about this season, go ahead. LeBron was by every measure better then Dwyane Wade at every point this season until the finals. ANd that is a Fact, you can check it. H*ll I did it for you, click my name. – You can also look at every advanced statistic, normal statistic, per minute statistic. On-Court v Off-Court statistics. THere is literally not a measure on planet earth that comes out with Dwyane Wade as a better basketball player (outside of a 6 game series at the end of the season). None

  • MLK4Life

    It’s obvious that how many years he’s been in the league doesn’t matter to you…but it’s more important than age. Are you seriously saying that playing in the NBA or not is the same experience? So streetball is the same as playing in the NBA? Doesn’t matter because they’re “still getting experience”? LeBron’s had more NBA experience than MJ did at 26, so that supports my argument even more. Compare them at year 9, that’s the most important thing. How mindless can you seriously be? You’re essentially saying that LeBron is a better player than MJ at 26 just because he has 2 MVPs. Enjoy your ignorance son. If he was still in Cleveland, that would actually be more of a reason to include him in the conversation because he wouldn’t be playing with a guy named Dwyane Wade who carried his team to a Championship 5 seasons ago and is the leader of the team. Get serious dude.

  • MLK4Life

    You talk about a 6 game series at the end of the season as if it’s just any series. You are saying that the Finals are just as important as the First Round. Come on son. Think. And exactly what is an Off-Court statistic????

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    There is no reason to write him off, but lets not assume that he will win 6 of the next 8 titles, countless mvps and finals mvps like mj did. The at the same age argument should be taken with a pinch of salt, different eras with different teams, jordan consistently lost to the pistons who were better than any team lebron has lost to in the play-offs, maybe with the exception of the 08 celtics.
    If mj played in this era he would be one and done, be in the league at a younger age. Comparing after 9 years in the league is just as relevant as comparing their age.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    A Basketball game is a basketball game. Whether it’s in the finals or the first round, if you lose your out. You don’t get a “good try” trophy for finishing worse then second. You don’t get a gun in the mail to kill yourself for losing in the finals. You go home after losing in both rounds. No difference, except by getting to the finals you’ve proven your more of a winner then the person that lost in the first round. Either way, LeBron looks better for getting further, no matter how you slice it. — ANd on-court/off-court statistics show how your whole team performs with you on the court compared to off of it. THe Heat were better with LeBron on the court then they were with Wade on the court. And they were worse with LeBron off the court, then they were with Wade off the court. Its so completely 100% obvious to anyone with intelligence who the better basketball player is, as long as your not driven by illogical thoughts like The Seed. Book it

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    PTI guys stated Wade was the better player and leader for the Heat and Around the Horn, Skip Bayless, my satellite radio and many more. Lebron played well in spurts this year. Wade was the leader, He had to motivated Bron to step up. Also Kobe had better stats than Lebron at 26 and rings. After the first title with Shaq, Kobe held his own on the next two rings. Kobe should have been 3rd straight ring MVP. Lebron is overrated, his game is ugly to watch and he chokes and signed with All Stars, because he publicly stated he cannot handle the pressure of being the star. THAT IS NOT A GOAT. Lebron gets stats, but his mental make up is JACKED UP. MJ is rollilng in his grave stating Lebron is on his level. Just few years back, MJ stating Kobe is better overall. Lebron got to learn how to shoot, post up, get his mental back-like Chris Broussard said–he needs to go back to going to a Therapist for help. Lebron is a JOKE, not a GOAT!!!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I’m with MLK4Life on this one. This shouldn’t even be a debate, and i’m surprised it is. It’s not even close MJ 26 >>>>>>>> LeBron 26. Kobe 26 >>> LeBron 26. Magic 26 >>>> LeBron 26. Bird 26>>>>LeBron 26, Hakeem 26>>>>>LeBron 26, Shaq 26>>>>>Lebron 26, List goes on. It doesn’t even have to have MJ’s name in it. He has D-Wade on his team and still lost in the finals. LBJ would have to either become a killer post player, an elite PG to get into a GOAT debate. He’s neither and never will be either. And stop with the hate this, hate that. It’s not hate, it’s opinion. I watched allot of Heat games this year because I have always enjoyed watching D-Wade play and to an extent LeBron also. They are phenomenal talents, but D-Wade has far more basketball skills than LeBron and he has a killer mentallity. D-Wade>LeBron. They are virtually equal. Tell me this what is better about LeBron than D-Wade?? I’ll give you athleticism and durability. Thats it. Does D-Wade have a chance to be Goat? No, so does LBJ… NO. Not saying that if he all the sudden starts taking over in the finals and wins multiple championships with the Heat in dramatic fashion as the unquestionsed MAN that he can’t be the GOAT, but I don’t see this happening and I don’t see why some of you do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Seed Kobe did NOT have better stats than Lebron at 26 years old.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Yawn!!!! Seeing is believing. Until I see dude down there in the post on a consistent basis, I’m holding off on passing judgement.
    Too bad we won’t be able to see the improvements cats like KD, Rose, Westbrook, DHoward and Bron made of the summer because of the alley rat, David Stern and greedy a** owners.

  • bike

    For LeBron to surpass someone like Jordan, at least three things have to happen: 1) LeBron will have to win some rings. Although debatable, like it or not, the really great ones have at least two championships in their resume. 2) LeBron must develop the same level of competitive fire that Jordan had. MJ was insanely competitive—he truly wanted to win every single game in the regular season. LeBron has yet to show that and he may never will. 3) LeBron has got to show more clutch to his game which includes taking over when needed. He has done it in the past but not so much in past couple of years. He has the potential (underscore potential) and time to do all of these things.

  • TokyoSandblaster

    Can’t we just celebrate Kobe, LeBron, Wade, and Jordan rather than degrade and compare. As a fan of basketball, I enjoy seeing everybody in the league. Let each player develop, succeed, or fail.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    You can click my name, like I said. It highlights how LeBron is better, without using a bunch of stats that are too complicated for you too understand. Whatever if your arguing that Wade is better and that Kobe at 26 was better then I’m not interested in having this discussion. THere is not a measure on earth outside of your own (consistently fugged up) opinion that agrees with what you say. LeBron James at 26 has had 3 seasons where he was more productive and efficient then any season of Kobe Bryant’s whole career. Kobe’s best individual season came at 27. His best season with another great player was in 02-03 when he averaged 30, 6.9 and 5.9 on 45% shooting. That’s with Shaq so it could have been better (probably less efficient though) and he was 24. For COmparisons sake LeBron at 24 averaged 28 7 and 7 on 48% shooting. Cleveland went 66-16 that season with Mo Williams as the second best player on the team. LA went 52 and 30 with Kobe Bryant as their Second Best Player and lost in the WCS. While Cleveland lost in the Conference Finals. Just for comparisons sake.

  • LP

    i don’t know whats going on, it looks like some idiot is SLANDERING Rod Strickland…well, we can tell who just started watch bball in 2005…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    There’s no way 26yr old Shaq, 26yr old Hakeem, 26yr old Kobe, and a 26yr old Bird was better than current Bron, no way. I bet you don’t even know what those guys did in the playoffs at that age, never-mind I’ll tell you.
    A Shaq-led Laker squad was swept in the 2nd round by the Spurs, Hakeem-led Rocket squad was busy losing in the 1st round to the Sonics, the celtics led by Bird was swept in the 2nd round by the Bucks!!! and Kobe was busy playing second fiddle to Shaq avg. 19 ppg in the RS and playoffs.
    So explain to me how those guys were better than Bron at age 26 when none of those guys made it past the 2nd round and 3 of their teams were swept?
    I understand the hate towards Bron since it’s mandatory behavior for a Kobe fan but at least come with the facts.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    Correction JT, at 26 Kobe averaged 27 6 and 6 and Missed the Playoffs entirely.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    What we should all do is two things 1. Stop comparing everyone under the sun to MJ and 2. Stop passing judgement on people careers, when their careers are not even over.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    then we would be just talking about politics.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Really? We are Sheep aren’t we. Here is the blue print for who is the best player PPG+APG+RBG+fg%= Best player right?? You guys truly astound me. Especially you NBK, a dude who sounds like he knows what he’s talking about. You seem to know it all. You can name a Stat in a second, but…. You should know better as a student of the game. Your a dude who have played the game. It ain’t about STATS!!! It isn’t, it just isn’t at all. They show only a portion. Oscar Robertson was not the GOAT. Kareem is not the Goat. Kobe is not the Goat. MJ is the Goat! Not because of how many assists he ended up with, how many rebounds he grabbed, not just because of how he scored the ball. It was because of what he did on the biggest stage. Not his RS numbers and nice stats, but what he did in the Playoffs. It’s not about adding up stats. MJ is clearly the best because he did more for his team in the Playoffs than any other man besides Bill Russell. (and we know he isn’t the GOAT) (shi+, right???) Kobe has done it in the playoffs a number of times. Shaq has. Bird has. Magic has. D-Wade has once. LBJ has had some nice series but is 0-2 in the finals with miserable outcomes. He has not created a LEGEND about himself yet. Thats why at this point there is no comparison between him and the great winners of basketball in the past. He is in the Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton category. Not to hard to see that…..I thought. Holy shi+.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Correction, KAJ has as much as right as anyone, MJ included, to be the GOAT.
    NBK, you’re right. Regardless, the guy missed the playoffs entirely. There’s no way MJ at 26, Bron at 26, Magic at 26, Bird at 26 fails to lead their respective teams to the playoffs. What does that say about someone that’s supposedly the greatest player since MJ?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No he doesn’t. But he is one of the closest to nipping at MJ’s legs.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    LeBron James – 28PPG 8 RPG 7 APG on 46% in 92 career playoff-games. Kobe Bryant – 25PPG 5RPG 5APG on 45% shooting in 208 Career Playoff Games. LeBron is also better then Kobe Bryant in the playoffs. Statistically & efficiently. And those are Kobe’s career numbers, if we just used when he was 26 this would look like a complete joke. Michael Jordan is the GOAT because he was6 titles (basically in a row) all after the age of 26 (when everyone said he would never win anything and is supremely overrated) – LeBron at 26 is in the same boat, except he has won more. – ANd what makes Michael Jordan the GOAT is that he won 6 straight titles, while being extremely efficient and the top dog on his team. His stats show how great he was, his titles show that he did it to the benefit of his team. Kobe’s most impressive stats come from seasons where he didn’t win at all, and some of his wins came even when he struggled. There is a huge difference.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    OH that and Kobe’s greatest seasons are still not as good as LeBron’s best 3 seasons. ANd Kobe’s best season is the only part of him that can be, logically, compared to Michael Jordan’s average season. (if you care at all about efficiency, which isn’t a stat)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I guess I just like guys that want to win it when it matters. LeBron looks like a Bum when he gets to the finals. Doesn’t even look like he cares at all. Check that STAT out. I have seen Kobe make way more difficult shots in way more difficult situations than LeBron, not a STAT, just a fact. Fact, Kobe has way more offensive skills then LeBron. Fact he does it all with half the athleticism. Fact he has way better footwork in the post. Fact, he has 5 championship rings. Fact, he scored the same amount as LBJ last year in 6 less mins. Fact, he makes clutch daggers allot. Fact LeBron doesn’t. Fact Lebron is best served as a playmaker, but turns the ball over way to much to have the ball in his hands that often. I will take kobe shooting 11% or whatever godawful percentage in the finals trying his hardest to will his team to a win, than LeBrons ultra effecient Loss. But thats just me, to each his own. If you wanna think LBJ has a chance to be better than Jordan when he isn’t as good as 10 other guys behind Jordan, fine by me. I’m not trying to change your mind. You like LBJ’s style of play and think he’s the greatest ever, I don’t. He’ll be a top 20 guy imo.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    PER 36 Minutes last season – Kobe Bryant 26.9 Points 5.4 Rebounds 5.0 Assists on 45% shooting (9.6-21.2 in 36 minutes) compared to LeBron James 26.7 Points 7.5 Rebounds 7.0 Assists on 51% shooting (9.6 for 18.8) – So he scored .2 Points per 36 minutes more then LeBron on 6% lower from the field. That is absolutely nothing to brag about. – Add that to the obvious, LeBron is MORE EFFECTIVE at EVERYTHING else. Kobe Bryant is more skilled the LeBron I have never argued differently, probably more skilled then LeBron ever will be. But that doesn’t make him a better basketball player, infact it’s obvious who is better especially at the age of 26.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    And another thing, making difficult shots does not make you better then anyone else. Kobe makes difficult shots because he shoots difficult shots, that doesn’t help when talking about winning, and can be attributed to part of the reason that he can’t win anything at all without another player playing like an all star. LeBron doesn’t make nearly as many difficult shots because he plays basketball the right way. If I had to win a game starting from the 1st quarter moving forward I would take LeBron James over Kobe Bryant every single time. Unless i have a team of all defenders who have absolutely zero offensive skill, then I take Bryant. Solely because he is a better SCORER, not basketball player.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Hold up, I know I’m late to the party here, BUT – Soop, what makes you so confident that Rose, Wall and ‘em owe so much of their success to Rod Strickland?
    Strickland was a dope player, no doubt, but let’s be real!
    If preps to pros was still an option, Derrick Rose would’ve been a top five pick in the ’07 draft.
    John Wall would’ve been a top two pick in the ’09 draft.
    And if they hadn’t gone to Memphis/Kentucky?
    Both still would’ve been the number one overall pick in their respective drafts.
    I’m sure dude’s a good coach but come on, these kids were set to be drafted really high pre-Strickland.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    “the seed” posted

    nbk
    First of all no NBA player should be tutored by Rod Strickland period, go seek out Tim Hardaway or John Stockton or anybody else. Rod Strickland is on Kentucky bench he is lucky the Head Coach gave him a job.

    — I only brought up Strickland for an analogy and then Seed said ^ that. I just proved that Strickland is atleast a decent coach, considering ever PG he coaches get drafted in the lottery and almost immediately thrives in the NBA. I wasn’t saying Strickland is the sole reason Wall and Rose are going to be great or even the reason at all. I just think he prepared them to succeed early. But was just arguing with crazy Seed again really

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    But was just arguing with crazy Seed again really.

    Ha ha, nuff said, my dude

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It’s funny that Lakeshow continues to argue despite the fact that everything he brought up as to why Kobe’s better than Bron has been shut down by NBK. I mean what more evidence aka facts do you need?
    Also, for all the talk about Kobe performing better than Bron in the postseason, how many legendary games/series has kobe had in the playoffs? The guy has only one 50pt game in the playoffs, that’s it. All his biggest games have come during the RS against the likes of Toronto, Portland and Memphis. What name has he made for himself in the postseason expect for being a second fiddle to Shaq, losing to a Nash-led Suns team after being up 3-1, getting destroyed by 30+ points in two different elimination games (08 Bos/’11 Dal) and having the lowest FG% for a Finals MVP in history. The man’s postseason exploits are not as great as the media and fans would lead you to believe, people get blinded by the 5 rings and automatically think that he was dominant during those championship runs. Russell has 11 rings but that doesn’t mean he was more dominant than a guy with 0 (Baylor) or a guy with 1 (West) or a guy with 2 (Chamberlain).

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The bad thing is Me & LakeShow got in a very similar discussion on 7-22 (i was on my way back from vacation is why i remember the day) where he got frustrated and just stopped commenting. Almost the exact same argument and disappeared from that too so i should have known better then too even engage this.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!

  • Big M.D.W

    go back ta cleaveland (or tha celtics GO CELTICS!!!) and you wil get the crowd on your side again

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    @mlk4life Hold on.. When I said GOAT I didn’t mean better than mj.. I meant all time great, like in the convo.. But I’ma cosign nbk. Also MLK don’t call me kid.. ESP. After nbk kinda sonned you like that. But no. Kobe has never been statistically better than lebron, and neither has wade.. And when both were in similar situations… Neither was able to take there team anywhere near as far as he did. Lebron is the greatest one-man show on the planet. And right now by far the best player in the league.

  • MLK4Life

    @Datkid
    nbk didn’t “son” me. I shut him down easily. He’s just too dense when it comes to basketball matters to see it. Continue your LeBron love fest if you wish. Objective basketball fans know better.

  • MLK4Life

    Also, D-Wade swept four games straight from the Mavs after being down 0-2 to win a championship when he was 24. So does that make him better than LeBron and Mike? Come on dude. The way you guys have attached yourselves to LeBron is hilarious. Not once did I say Kobe and Wade were better than LeBron. But Kobe is closer to MJ. LeBron isn’t that type of guy. His game isn’t a MJ/Kobe style of game.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    It’s pretty hard to put into words how moronic your arguments are. Lets just make this nice and easy, before MJ was the goat who was? A center? A Point Guard? A Small Forward? It wasn’t a shooting guard, it wasn’t someone with an “MJ/Kobe” “Style” of game. So does the GOAT always have to have that type of game? Clearly he doesn’t. If LeBron wins 7 straight titles, 7 straight. He will be a year younger then Jordan when Jordan won his 6th, and will (despite 2 irrelevant losses in the finals) be in the conversation for GOAT. (Like i’ve said numerous times I highly highly highly doubt LeBron will ever get there, but at 26 he’s closer then ANYONE has been since Jordan too Jordan) – And Kobe is not in the conversation if your looking at it objectively (Having actual existence or reality.)

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    @mlk4life no nbk basically disproved your argument.. W/o mentioning the fact that mj had the benefit of going to college, and learning from an all time great coach.. And it’s not a love fest.. I just don’t hate Lebron illogically like you do.. ALSO I NEVER SAID LEBRON PLAYED ANYTHING LIKE JORDAN.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Actually nvm you don’t hate Lebron @mlk4life… But again.. You’re still wrong.. Lebron will be all an time great when he’s done.. Maybe not THE goat… But if he does well he deserves a place in the convo

  • MLK4Life

    It’s not hard at all to put into words how ridiculous your arguments are @nbk. LeBron’s not winning 7 straight. He needs one first. And the league is too good for any team to win 7 straight. Don’t know how you came up with that mindless hypothetical statement. Kobe’s definitely in the conversation. Perhaps you’ve never seen him play. Your love fest with LeBron prevents you from seeing things clearly. MJ himself has said numerous times that he’d take Kobe over LeBron. Are you going to disagree with him as if you know better? @Datkid He didn’t disprove my argument at all. Your love for LeBron also renders you incapable of seeing things clearly. LeBron’s a great player. The most talented SF to ever play. But he’s going to need some more MVP awards, Defensive Player of the Year Awards, and Championships to be talked about with Jordan. It will be hard for him to get MVP awards while playing with a fellow superstar and another All-Star and it will be difficult to win DPOY awards with Dwight Howard in the league. Championships will also be difficult because he put a huge target on the Heat’s back last summer. The league is too good for any one team to become a Dynasty currently.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh your reading comprehension is straight up non-existent. All-Time? I would take Kobe over LeBron too, why though? because of Longevity and 2-Championships. But we are talking about having a chance at being in the GOAT conversation, which Kobe ISN’T and NEVER will have unless he turns into Benjamin Button. LeBron has a CHANCE (he’s 26 and more accomplished then MJ at the same age…despite losses in the finals and more years in the league, he’s still more accomplished, its inarguable), and as i’ve said F*CKING OVER and OVER and OVER is that I don’t see LeBron ever GETTING THERE but unlike Kobe and every player since MJ he’s got a chance. End

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Yeah cosign nbk above…he did disprove you.. At his age Lebron is more accomplished than mj PERIOD. And in reference to your statement above.. It will be very difficult.. But not impossible

  • J DIlla

    Bill Laimbeer and THE Microwave had more of a impact than lebron in 4th quarters. And I can’t begin to tell u there stats, I just know what I WITNESS…Stats are overrated…PERIOD!

  • Charles

    I don’t understand the comments on LBJ’s character? There’s nothing wrong with his character except being the opposite of Cleveland fans..understanding a contract. Period. It doesn’t matter though. Wait till Biill Cartwright makes HIS comeback and brings out HIS shoes..we’ll see who the g.o.a.t. is then…

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