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Magic Johnson: ’08 Redeem Team No Match for ’92 Dream Team


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

It’s a generally accepted fact that the 1992 Olympic USA basketball team was the greatest collection of hoops talent ever assembled. And members of that historic team aren’t afraid to remind everyone of this.

Magic Johnson, the Dream Team’s unofficial spokesman, says the 2008 “Redeem Team” wouldn’t stand a chance against his ’92 squad.

From the LA Times:

“When you think about the Olympics and the Dream Team, I have to throw it to you,” Johnson said. “Kobe [Bryant] and them won by 22 points. Ehh, 22 points? We won by an average of 44 points. So when they want to step up to that, you tell them we’ll be waiting on them.”

Johnson is actually selling the Dream Team short — it beat opponents by an average of 45.8 points. That included a 155-77 victory over Puerto Rico in the quarterfinal, a 127-76 pounding of Lithuania in the semifinals and a 117-85 win over Croatia in the gold-medal game. Meanwhile, the Redeem Team beat opponents by 27.9 points per game.

The margin of victory for both teams isn’t a true indicator of which side was truly better; after all, by the time the 2008 Team USA got to the Olympics, international competition had gotten much, much better.

The game will obviously never take place, but it’s not particularly difficult to imagine Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson and company beating a Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony-led team.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    ….Why is this news?? Everybody knows that. Even I do, and I wasn’t even alive in ’92

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Destruction by the Dream Team.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Why are old men so bitter? Nobody said the Redeem team was better than y’all. Dang, Magic y’all had three of the top 5 players in NBA history.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    Cosign BP

  • Detroit Dave

    Yeah but those other countries did not have as much basketball talent as they do now. Their is no denying the 92 Team’s talent but lets be real, in 1992 USA Baskeball had SUPERIOR BASKETBALL TALENT compared to the rest of the world. Those other countries were scared and in awe of the Dream Team posing for pictures before the game. I’m just saying that 92 Team wouldn’t dominate the World by 45 points per game in 2008.

  • ThisisMyWuTangSlang

    They gotta put this in 2k12…

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Dave yeah It’d probably be by 22-28 points in ’08

  • Sean B

    No match??? Eh… I don’t know. Big 3 of the Redeem Team was Kobe-Wade-LeBron, big 3 of the Dream Team was MJ-Bird-Magic, that’s not a total slaughter is it? I mean Kobe/Bron/Wade are not top-5 of all time, but I think it can certainly be debated that by the end of their careers all 3 of those guys will be top 20-25. I think it would be a good match-up if it could ever take place.

  • MUBWAR

    i think the older we get as human beings, the bitter we get. but between dream and redeem them, the PG SG SF position will be all match greatly. But Bosh and dwight couldn’t control the bigs of that era

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    From another bitter, old guy: you fuc*king kids don’t know a thing about how raw the Dream Team was. Magic and Larry weren’t even at the top of their games for one thing. Larry was a bit player. Barkley was dominant. The Admiral was dominant. Ewing. Pippen. Stockton. Malone. Drexler. These guys were all in their prime and dominating. They’re all HOF’ers too. The bullying up front that the Dream Team would have done to Bosh, Dwight, etc would have been illegal. Let me get back to the old folks home now.

  • AMPduppp

    Even IF by some miracle you wanted to call the backcourt’s even with Kobe-Wade-Lebron matching up with Jordan-Bird-Magic, there’s no way Howard-Bosh-Boozer could hold down the paint against the likes of Ewing-Malone-Robinson

  • Jonathan

    Interestingly, I think where the ’08 team would really get killed is up front. Howard, Bosh and Boozer vs. Robinson, Ewing, Barkley and Malone is not fair.

  • elbeto

    I’m sure Magic is right but don’t forget that the other teams in the redeem olympics were much much better than the ones the original team faced.

  • T-Money

    As a rule, I don’t bet against Michael in his prime. I actually do not care one bit about the other guys. Magic and Larry were old and the rest of the guys were excellent but not transcendent. It all comes down to Michael, even though that’s not what Magic meant. / Point differential is a bad argument though. Other players wanted to take pictures with the Dream Team back then. They didn’t face teams like Spain with tons of NBA guys who were used to compete with the Americans night in night out.

  • EJ

    Redeem Team played against tougher competition. Dream Team would win cause Redeem Team didn’t have good big men.

  • SikhWitIt

    To be honest, I like the ’96 team the best–with Shaq, the Glove, prime Penny and Hill, Stockton and Malone, Miller, Dream, the Admiral, Tim Hardaway, and on and on. I think they would take the ’92 team, but that’s just my opinion. And EJ’s right, the ’08 squad has faced the toughest Olympic competition out of all of them.

  • SikhWitIt

    ^^Forgot to mention that Chuck was on that team too. Lots of crossover with the Dream Team, but the point guard combination in ’96 was better imo.

  • MUBWAR

    looool at eboy. go back to the retirement home til the heat season opener. I hope it happens on time

  • Fat Lever

    The Redeem Team would get bombed on worse than The Magic Hour.

  • Hursty

    92 team would destroy the 08 team inside. Chris Mullin and Bird would have a field day based on the kickout passes off double-teams.

  • @Deknowz

    Never were truer words spoken Magic!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The real advantage is the big men. Robinson, Barkely, Malone, Ewing would eat the Redeem Team alive. On the perimeter, outside of MJ and Scottie, the Dream Team would have been overmatched defensively, but they would have had all those amazing bigs to clean up their mess, and score on the other end.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Basically, Redeem Team has more overall talent and athletic ability on the perimeter, but get’s exposed inside.
    I think Bron, Kobe, Wade, Rose, Durant, Paul and Williams can match up with any group of perimeter players in NBA history and hold their own if not win the matchup.
    But when you have Melo, Dwight, Bosh and Chandler trying to handle Ewing, Robinson, Barkley and Malone, that’s a slaughter waiting to happen. That’s just not cool at all.

  • Ali

    Thank you Eboy and others. Muggs have no clue. I still got some of them games on VHS baby! Yeah people wanna say the comp was more up to the task in 08, but I still don’t see any team assembled matching up to the 1992 bullies!

  • T-Money

    Assuming the two teams really had to play each other, Coach K would play Dwight at the 5 all game and no, he wouldn’t be overmatched by Robinson and Ewing on the defensive end. Dwight can’t score like them but he’s a beast defensively. Bron and Melo would be the options at the 4 with Booz sitting comfortably on the bench.

    CP3
    Wade
    2008 Kobe
    Bron
    Dwight

    Melo
    D. Will
    Bosh

    Seriously, if you think it’s a blow out, you’re crazy. The only reason I’m giving the nod to ’92 is the MJ factor.

  • http://SLAM FLIGHT 9

    1992 without a doubt….

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Money
    Dwight is not elite defensively on the ball, Remember, Gasol had hit way with Howard in the Finals, and negated him to a certain extent on offense. Plus, Dwight would be balling with either Bosh or Melo as his power forward. That means a clear advantage on the glass, particularly when Dwight has to help to stop Jordan or Pippen’s penetration, or help on the pick and roll with Stockton and Malone. Dwight is the only defensive big on the team and I can see him being in the same situation that Garnett was in for the Celtics this playoffs where he has to try to shutdown his man, and protect the rim, and direct all the rotations in the front court. That would be a serious problem in my opinion.

  • jarrett

    PLEASE PUT THIS IN 2K12 PLEASE PLEASE…. DREAM TEAM 2 TOO!!!!!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lets be honest. The Dream Team played opponents in 1992 that was not good at basketball at all. Come on yall. In 2008 countries had stars in the NBA and before that a Kobeless led Redeem Team lost to Carlos Arroyo led team in FIBA. I feel if the 2008 Redeem Team played those same 1992 opponents they win by 45 points too. People act like Dream Team would kill Redeem Team. I don’t think so. Magic is not comparing talent, he is comparing margins they won by. That’s crap. The 1992 opponents sucked PERIOD. BOOK IT!!!!

  • Team Jordan

    DREAM TEAM over REDEEM TEAM EASILY!!!

  • Kevin Perkins

    The real difference would be the centers. Patrick Ewing and David Robinson. Both defended as well a Howard. But they were both great shooters and around the rim.

  • Team Jordan

    Let me Re-Phrase that… DREAM TEAM TALENT over REDEEM TEAM TALENT… EASILY!!!

  • Sizzle

    Not saying the Dream Team would lose to the Redeem Team, but I think it would be a lot closer then what people are speculating. I have every Dream Team game on VHS tape and when I view them now, the main things that stick out to me is the international competition was sorry back then. I mean it was literally a joke (save for Spain). Also, the players now are much more athletically gifted and built for the game of basketball due to improvements in fitness training/evolution of specific drills. Obviously MJ was an athletic freak during that time, but the guys on the Redeem Team are literally all supreme athletes. I would argue the 92 team (even in their prime) would have a rough time keeping up with today’s Redeem Team. Call me an outlier in this argument, but just my take…

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    EASILY?!?!?! LOL, Redeem team has way more athleticism and I would say better defense on the perimeter. I say Dream team wins because of MJ and the significant (NOT HUGE) advantage on the inside. Dwight can hold his own against the Admiral and Patrick Chewing. Bosh is actually very good in international basketball. If they played NBA rules, he’d still be a threat offensively with his J, although Barkley and Malone has a clear advantage over him. Ewing is not good defensively as Dwight, but Robinson is. Both have better Offense than Dwight though. Magic and Bird would have gotten dominated on defense by Kobe, Lebron, CP3, Deron, Melo, and WADE. Wade was a freakin monster that summer. I think the advantages even out, Dream has inside advantage, and Redeem has outside advantage. MJ is on the Dream team, so they win. He will not let his team lose to a team full of “next MJ’s”

  • http://jump.com e23

    dream team would win…Check out facebook/GameChangersInc support and join

  • Black Skip Bayless

    Great point @The Seed and Sizzle
    I agree with statements that the 1992 Olympic Teams sucked back then.

  • Ronald

    Unless they invent a time machine I am sure the 20-30 year olds (08′) would beat the 40-50 year olds (92′). Oh wait. This was supposed to be hypothetical? Who cares.

  • JoeMaMa

    The reason teams got better was because of the Dream Team. They truly brought basketball to the world stage and made it a glamorous sport. Don’t forget that: The Dream Team helped make international basketball what it is today. Without them, basketball doesn’t evolve to such an extent. Also, CB34 was in BEAST MODE, to those that didn’t see the tournament. He would’ve eaten any player on the newer Olympic teams. Yeah, MJ….but BARKLEY KILLED IT.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    i’d just like to take this opportunity to say for the billionth time that shaq should have been on the squad instead of laettner. or isiah.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Magic played major minutes. Bird did not. Drexler, Pippen, Jordan and Stockton were the main backcourt players with Magic. I see an advantage on the perimeter, disadvantage on the inside for the Redeem Team. I would be a great game or series though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Co-sign Allen.

  • LA Huey

    ’92 team wins. ’08 would make it close. And what are the ground rules for this speculation? International rules and everyone’s in their prime? I’d pay decades worth of savings to see this.

  • b

    If you go on 2k share on 2k11 you can find a roster with very good re-creations of these two teams. I’ve actually been playing out a series as the dream team, I’m up 3 to 2

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    so we’re all agreed that while it would be close…the dream team’s advantage inside would be too much for the redeem team? I’d really also like to see lebron and wade and kobe guard prime mj and magic, and match up with mj

  • rainman10

    Nobody is mentioning Pippen. The 2nd best player on that team that summer.

  • Powerwitdapen

    People forget the dream team did lose a game (even though it was a practice game) to the college select all stars. The Redeem team also played stiffer competition. The Riding with the redeem team Kobe would never let his team lose to Michael Jordan.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    I think it would be a very competitive game, especially if they let them play and don’t play with todays refs. The Dream Team has the advantage inside, but I don’t think its complete domination as people are saying. Bosh is a little soft, but Howard and Melo aren’t afraid to mix it up inside. With Kidd, Lebron and Wade they would team rebound. Any one of them save for Howard can grab a board and lead the break. Imagine Lebron shadowing Magic, and Kobe once and for all with a chance to prove he’s equal to or better than MJ. It would be a great game. And yes I’m an 80s baby so I have seen the Dream Team live. Anyway, just wanted to play devils advocate since everyone is convinced the Redeem Team would get trashed. But hey, its all speculation because it can NEVER EVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE!

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    LOCKOUTS ARE BORING

  • Nateshow

    1996 team FTW!

  • allen3

    I think the main advantage of the dream team is on the defensive end

    I don’t see how kobe wade can beat consistently MJ and Pippen (who people seems to forget here)

    And don’t let me start with the 3 headed beast inside Malone Robinson Barkley would have eaten bosh howard alive

    and the x factor will be the 3 point play which is absolutly important in international game and with guys like mullin and stockton lightning it up from outside no way the 08 team can match that

    I think 96 team was better than 92 especially with addition of guys like hakeem and oneal
    prime time penny and Hill they could have won against the 92 team ( wait like these 2 guys beat them in practice)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Dream Team would win. But if they were to put 2008 LeBron on 1992 Magic, I think LeBron would do a pretty decent job of locking his a$$ down

  • Sizzle

    So many people on Barkley like is some type of God. Please remember that Lebron, Kobe and to some extent wade could guard Barkley. So many riding him like he would completely dominate. I would love to see Barkley in his prime trying to stay with Wade, Bron or Kobe…

  • dannyb

    Every time they put together one of these Olympic teams there is a ridiculous debate about whether they were better than the Dream Team. The Dream Team was the singular greatest team in the history of all team sports. They may never be surpassed. Period end of story.

  • BostonBaller

    The world talent was better in 08 than 92 but it wasn’t like the other countries had several NBA players on their teams (2 at the most) so it wasn’t like the 08 squad was playing against an NBA all star team. Looking at the 92 team you could tell that they were playing at half speed and still killing the teams. The DT had to take on Laetner and I’m not even sure we took the total best that year. The Bigs of the DT would have a huge advantage on the glass and defensively. Howard would probably foul out 4 out of 7 games. Pretty much everyone on the RD was in their prime and the DT had some wily vets who could still put it on you. Many mentioned the guards of KB8, CP3, Wade, Kidd & LBJ vs MJ, Magic, Stockton, & let’s say Pippen & it looks great on paper.

  • kenny

    Bird wasn’t even 100% during the 92 Olympics, rode the bench and only participated for publicity’s sake, and Magic was only 8.0-2.3-5.5. We’re basically saying, can a core of ’08 Kobe-D’Wade-Lebron beat a core of ’92 Jordan-Pippen, which I think would be a lot closer than people would think. A 7 game series of this would be the most epic thing in the world.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Sizzle: Wade or Kobe could guard Barkley? Dude changed the rulebook cause nobody could guard him in his prime. No way any shooting guard could ever guard him, let alone any power forward on the Redeem Team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe and Wade could not guard Barkley, no chance in hell. LeBron v Barkley would be fun though, except LeBron would guard Magic or Scottie more then likely, with Barkley against Carmelo.

  • MikeC.

    Bird and Laettner were basically mascots for the 92 team. Bird said that his back was so bad he begged out of the Olympics, but Magic and MJ talked him into it. He traveled with a personal chiropractor and slept in traction most nights. Dude’s back was messed up. Take Bird out of the argument as a game-changer. I concur with the comments above about the inside abuse the ’08 team would have dealt with. There is no way Melo & Bosh could handle Barkley and Malone. The 5-spot would be pretty even provided Dwight stays out of foul trouble. Big ‘if’ there. If Dwight gets in foul trouble, you have Bosh and Melo trying go cover Ewing, Robinson, Barkley and Malone. Good luck fellas. MJ-Kobe matchup, with MJ in his prime? MJ. Pippen’s D on the 08 swingmen? Neutral. The 5-spot and the MJ factor swing it for 92.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No Kenny you simply just have no idea what your talking about. Barkley was the best player in the Olympics for the Dream Team first of all. Second, they had Ewing, Robinson both are better then every Center in the league today. Let alone just the Redeem Team. Karl Malone > Every PF on the Redeem Team. — Bigmen wise this game wouldn’t even be a contest. Is there really a debate whether a team with Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, & Carmelo Anthony as their 4′s could stick with a team that has 2 of the top 4 PF’s of all time, the best player & sg ever, The best PG ever, and arguably the best (even though he was hurt) & second best SF of all time?

  • J Mac

    The Dream Team with Bird & Magic in their prime would have destroyed the Redeem Team! Otherwise it may have been a close game. As some said the point differential is out of context as The Dream Team basically introduced the world to the Love of The Game.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^I agree.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    With Mike C

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Lol Barkley would eat Melo for lunch.

  • chingy

    The Dream team had the best 2 PGs ever, best SG ever (or best player period), arguably best SF ever in bird and top 5 SF ever in Pip, 2 of the top 5 PFs ever, and 2 of the top 10 Cs ever. There’s NO team that can be assembled that can compare to this team. The 08 team would put up a fight no doubt just because they have Kobe, Lebron, and Wade. But in a 7 game series, Dream team takes it in 5, MAX 6.

  • Dreamteamxxx

    This should not even be debated at all. It is an insult to the greatest team ever. Kobe and Lebrun supporters shut the fxxk up.

  • kbj

    nice matchup but im with the old heads on this one ..better shooters better team defense, the redeem team just more athletic.

  • Minks77

    To the guy who’d love to see Barkley guard Kobe or LeBron or Wade I have only one question: Are you aware that Chuck played the 4? Even if he got switched out on the perimetre he was still good enough and strong enough to give any of those guys pause. In the post? Forget it. Kobe and Wade ain’t posting Barkley. James doesn’t have a post game at all and would get eaten alive down on the block against Barkley despite his physical attributes. He couldn’t post JKidd or Terry in the finals and you think he’d embarrass King Charles?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    We are talking about the 1992 Dream Team, not if Bird and Magic were in their prime. This is what people are forgetting. Magic and Bird was a shell of themselves and at the point guard slot, Dream Team has Stockton, instead of back to back led Isiah Thomas as point guard. MJ, Pippen, Barkley were the highlights for the 1992 Dream Team. I have the VHS of it, with every game. Barkley beasted because international they don’t play physical. Like when Barkely elbowed that cat running back from making a basket. I really would take 08 Redeem Team over Dream Team. Magic could get locked up in old age. MJ was prime, but A TEAM(Like DALLAS) can beat two to three great players (Like MIAMI). 1992 Team played street ball to me, just run and gun, no plays. I take a Kobe-Kidd led team with Lebron playing to assist not score and Wade off the bench with second unit. BOOK IT!!!

  • jinolin

    That Dream Team never faced that young Yugo Team (due to a civil war). That bitter old aids patient most of forgot about that little part.
    Now on to the topic, the Redeem Team would realistically only suffer upfront, and they get a slight advantage due to the fact they had the GOAT. In the end I’d give it to the Dream Team if the two where to hypothetically ‘play’ each other(by less then 8).
    I do mean that first part, got some tapes, them Yugo boys had some talent, but since Magic only gives positive assurance regarding the teams he once played for (Lakers, Dream Team) then his opinion is bias 90 percent of the time.

  • http://Slameonline Hoosier

    I feel the Dream Team would win based on the MJ factor, having better bigs, and better “role” players but agree the international game has gotten way better. The “IT” factor was on ’92 squad 1-12 (cept maybe Laetner and that is questionable @ best) I dont see that or feel that with ’08 other than the obvious-Mamba,DWade,Chauncy and maybe CP3. Others on ’08 still can get there in this regard but only time will tell!! hey for my own fyi, was Reggie on ’96?

  • jinolin

    (correction of the above comment) *The Dream team had a slight advantage due to the fact they had the GOAT*— MJ not Kobe people.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Magic was older, but he had just lead a Lakers team with rookie Divac as a star player to the Finals. He was far from washed up. He only was through with basketball because of the AIDS announcement.
    Lebron could theoretically lock up Magic, but then who stops Pippen? Kobe/Wade versus Jordan/Drexler would be awesome. Stockton would have to deal with both Deron and Chris Paul, or else Jordan or Pippen would have to handle them because Magic couldn’t.
    Like I said, the biggest problem is inside. It’s not that Bosh or Dwight are bums, but neither was on that elite level compared to Robinson, Ewing, Malone and Barkley. Plus, once Howard inevitably got into foul trouble, the whole rotation is in turmoil. Nobody really believes in Boozer in this series, right?
    I say the Dream Team wins in six, with an average margin of victory in the wins of 8-12 points per game.

  • SikhWitIt

    Hoosier, yes, Reggie was on ’96. He was rocking those Antoine Carr-styled shades lol. I still maintain ’96 was the best team, followed by ’92.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Magic was not a shell of his former self. Watch your own tapes. He led the Lakers to he Finals with Vlade Divac & Sam Perkins a year earlier. Him & Isiah were still the best PG’s in the world at the time.

  • Far

    I wasn’t aware this was even a conversation. You have a group filled with some of the top 10 greatest basketball players of all time (INCLUDING JORDAN) and was widely regarded as the greatest basketball group ever assembled. It doesn’t matter who they played, they’re still the same legendary players who played in a tougher era.

    This literally shouldnt even be a debate.

  • jemlo clear

    ’92 Dream Team is the most powerful and dominant team I’d ever see in the history of Olympic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Word Seed? The Dream team would lose to The Redeem Team? ok

  • HAMMER

    Word to Magic: Uhhh….Ya think! What else would u like 2 enlighten us with? The sky is blue? The sun is bright? Its hotter than hell outside? Geeez!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Allen, I was merely pointing out the irony of Magic being the one sticking his chest out and going on about how the Dream Team would crush them (which I agree with) considering he would be one of the easier players for the ’08 squad to contain, relatively speaking, as LeBron would probably do an adequate job of defending him.

  • http://Slameonline Hoosier

    @Sikh- thanks thought so. Just want to say on record I love how MJ blackballed Isiah.Bulls/Pistons fistfights had guys hatin eachother! Hell all those guys back then really disliked each other. seems to me guys nowadays lack that as a whole league in general…the ones with that “chip” on their shoulders tend to have “chips” on their finger(s)!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @HAMMER – it’s 50 degrees outside where I’m at! :D

  • http://www.nba.com Gman

    Lebron, and Kobe cant get past old Kidd……

  • Sizzle

    You gotta be kidding me, your acting like Barkley was unstoppable and that no one could guard him. Kobe is one of the best Defenders in the league and possibly one of the best defenders ever. Athletically Kobe and Wade could definitely keep up with Barkley. Yes he would have an advantage in the post, but his power is simply overstated by everyone here who are “romanticized” by the Dream Team because they beat teams by 45 plus and had Bird, MJ and Jordan. Everyone here also seems to misunderstand that the talent level as whole in the NBA was lower during that team. Most of you don’t realize the teams they played in 1992 were complete garbage as well. Other players would ask for their autographs after getting beat by 45. Their dominance is WAY overstated.

  • AD

    as a nignteen yr old ill go with the 08 dream team …. my point is this—– yes the 92 team had mostly hall of famers but so does the 08 team… arguably most of them are gonna be in the HOF plus… This sport is def more competitive now than it was …. nOW If they where to face each other (dream team vrs redeem team) then idk who would win . the redeem team has the quickness and the dream team has size… for one Magic johnson and Lary Bird cant guard anybody idc wat anybody say’s Despite all Lebrons Failures yall know hes unstopable, Melo is too, Kobe is Kobe, CP3 and Dwill are unguardable also and dwight is beast esp with the 2 best pgs in the lg…. aLL I KNOW IS THAT GAME WILL BE BATTLE IF GOD WOULD GRANT US THAT WISH FOR A DAY……..But ya gotta go head wit da noway his noway becuz their opinions and this game will never be played sooo repect my opinion lol

  • AD

    as a nignteen yr old ill go with the 08 dream team …. my point is this—– yes the 92 team had mostly hall of famers but so does the 08 team… arguably most of them are gonna be in the HOF plus… This sport is def more competitive now than it was …. nOW If they where to face each other (dream team vrs redeem team) then idk who would win . the redeem team has the quickness and the dream team has size… for one Magic johnson and Lary Bird cant guard anybody idc wat anybody say’s Despite all Lebrons Failures yall know hes unstopable, Melo is too, Kobe is Kobe, CP3 and Dwill are unguardable also and dwight is beast esp with the 2 best pgs in the lg…. aLL I KNOW IS THAT GAME WILL BE BATTLE IF GOD WOULD GRANT US THAT WISH FOR A DAY……..But ya gotta go head wit da noway his noway becuz their opinions and this game will never be played sooo repect my opinion lol

  • seriousblack

    Magic Johnson does not have AIDS, people. He was diagnosed with HIV. People with AIDS do not live as long as Magic has…Anyway, I totally disagree that the Dream Team would kill the Redeem team. They beat terrible competition with only MJ, Pip, Barkley and the Admirable in their primes. 92 wins, but the Redeemers give them a run for their money due to their stronger front line.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Barkley outweighed Kobe and Dwyane Wade by 30+ Pounds. Played POWER FORWARD. Kobe and Wade are Shooting Guards, they play these positions for a reason. — Their dominance is not why everyone thinks the Dream Team would be any other basketball team of all time, its because they have the top players in league history, not just in the NBA landscape that they played in, but EVER. Honestly I feel like a person has to be completely ignorant to argue that any basketball team ever assembled could beat the Dream Team, and it’s not because of Jordan, Bird, and Magic – or because they beat every team they ever played by an average of 45 points.

  • HAMMER

    @ Enigmatic. Haha! I hear ya man.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t believe someone is arguing that Barkley wouldn’t abuse Wade and Kobe on the block. This is Barkley we’re talking about. Come on now. I don’t even understand why this is a hypothetical because it would be Bosh and Boozer guarding Barkley anyway.
    Enigmatic, my comment was directed at Seed and his point about Magic being a shell of himself.

  • Sizzle

    @nbk so what your saying is even though the current Redeem Team players have yet to complete their careers that none of them will ever be considered in the top players or legends of the game. All I have to say is from a basketball perspective, the game would be close and not a complete blowout. I think it is ignorant of someone to think that any basketball team ever assembled couldn’t beat the dream team. How can you predict the future? You are certain that those players will forever and will always be the best there ever was? I am sure people thought that during Kareem, Wilt’s and the Big O’s times as well. This argument is generation based. For all we know in 30-40 years the Dream Team may not look as great if a new crop of players comes along.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It seems like the people making this argument are not old enough to have even watched the players from 92 in their prime. How clearly ignorant can you be to argue that any Shooting Guard could guard Charles Barkley? Barkley for his career 22PPG, 11.7RPG – There is only ONE (1) ONE player in the NBA today with a career average that reaches Barkley on the Boards. ANd your insinuating SHOOTING GUARDS could lock him up? Holy hell

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    I hate the lockout.

  • HAMMER

    Chuck Daly didn’t have to call a SINGLE time-out. That’s all I gotta say.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    But you’re totally speaking in hindsight. You think when Kobe, Lebron,Wade, Paul, Williams, Howard retire their not gonna be considered some of the greatest players of all time? Think rationally, don’t be a prisoner to a a particular era of basketball. I’m sure there are some true old heads out there that believe a team of Cousy, Russell, Chamberlain, West, Robertson etc would wipe the floor with the Dream Team solely based off the fact that those were the best players they’ve ever seen live. Does that make it a fact? Heck no!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NO I don’t think those players will always be the best players. But the guys from that REDEEM TEAM could not beat the DREAM TEAM, but the DREAM TEAM has some of the best BIGMEN of all Time. The Redeem Team only had 1 BIGMAN that COULD get into that discussion, and the rest weren’t even the best Bigmen in their own NBA. Patrick Ewing/David Robinson/Karl Malone/Charles Barkley v Dwight Howard/Chris Bosh/Carlos Boozer/Carmelo Anthony. You could call the rest of the teams a wash if you want, (even thoug the Dream Team is still probably slightly better) the difference in talent down low is all you really need to look at.

  • Sizzle

    @nbk I don’t recall saying “any shooting guards” could guard barkley. I said Kobe, Wade and Bron could keep up with him but Sir Charles has the advantage in the post. I was fortunate enough to watch and understand the game of basketball when I watched the Dream Team in 92. I am not even arguing anymore because it is pointless. The only point I care about is that if there ever was this supposed game, it would be close. The game and the players have changed.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    That was directed towards nbk btw. But it looks like Sizzle said basically the same thing.

  • AD

    melo,cbris bosh and boozer are not wanna best big men …. Your iNSANE @NBK they may not be as good but CMON SON

  • seriousblack

    Sizzle: Kobe had four good seasons as an elite defender, please stop the overhype about his defensive prowess. The myth-making surrounding this guy is unbelievable.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sizzle im saying its insane to say any shooting guard ever ANY including Kobe, Wade, Jordan any of them could not guard barkley.

  • Sizzle

    @seriousblack your statement contradicts itself and save for me pointing it out warrants no attempt to respond because it defeats what your arguing..

  • NJ4Life

    i think the more interesting matchup would be both squads in their primes. Prime JKidd, Paul, DWill vs prime Magic and Stock. Prime Kobe, LeBron, and Dwight vs prime MJ, Bird, and Ewing. Not saying the outcome would be an different but, c’mon if were gonna debate, let’s DEBATE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    co-sign nbk. Barkley was simply too strong

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Bosh Boozer and Melo are All Stars. Malone, Barkley are All Timers. If the Redeem team was 2006 – and it was Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan the actual est players at their positions at that time then this would be a debate, but it isnt.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    To the youngster; Well.. No one is guarding Mike. Think about it… Mike is Kobe (if he wasn’t a cornball and the refs liked him). That means 7 to 11 more fouls called in Mikes favor, and at least 2 guards, a small forward and a big.. all in foul trouble.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Yeah, but the Monstars would beat the Dream Team, so what are we really arguing here?

  • Sizzle

    @nbk so you must be ignorant because you yourself said the following: “Honestly I feel like a person has to be completely ignorant to argue that any basketball team ever assembled could beat the Dream Team” but now if were talking 2006 team you say it “would be a debate.” Come on son, can’t have it both ways…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    That team was never assembled douchebag.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Wow sizzle, you should probably join Derek Zoolander’s Academic Academy for kids who can’t read good.

  • Sizzle

    @nbk my bad haha. I was heated. Nicholas Fleming touche

  • Sizzle

    @nbk I am glad though that you are at least willing to entertain a possibility of a team rivaling the dream, at least that is what I think you implied @3:06 pm..Easy with the douchebage comment though, didn’t know it was like that…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Haha Fleming

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    All in fun, ahh SLAMfam.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If your gonna ignorantly call me ignorant ima call you a douchebag. I dont got no hard feelings, just givin equal treatment.

  • seriousblack

    How do I contradict myself? A guard with maybe four seasons as a “elite” defender, guarding other GUARDS, can effectively guard a prime Barkley? Your credibility is shot based off of that statement alone.

  • chingy

    Barkley’s @$$ will kill Bosh + Melo lol

  • chingy

    And why is there still a debate on SGs guarding Barkley? It’s NOT happening. Barkley’s a POWER forward…It’s like how MJ never guarded Barkley in their series…

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Magic is 100% correct, the redeem team doesn’t compare to the dream team. The only positiion where the Dream team doesn’t have a clear advantage is at SF. Pipper/LeBron would be the only match-up that’s a close call. But every other mathcup goes to the dream team without question. MJ>Kobe, Magic>CP3. The PF and C matchups aren’t even worth the mention. Even when it comes to reserves, the Dream team is just plane better except at SF with Mullins/Melo (Bird didn’t play enough to consider the ‘real’ back-up to Pippen. And the Drexler/Wade matchup would be interesting too – but I’d give Drexler and his 3 inches of height the advantage. I don’t think the game would have been close, I don’t think it would have been a 40+ point differnce but I’d say 10-15 points easily.

  • Double J

    CP3 over Stockton (Offense wins out)
    MJ over Kobe/Wade (Close but we gotta give the nod to the goat)
    LBJ over Pippen (Again close but Lebron is too big)
    Barkley over CB (no question)
    D12 = DT Centers (too close to call)

    It just depends on who was hitting but the Dream Team was a beast… we will never know guys we just will never know.

  • Dwight Gordon

    Redeem Team would win easily..Perimeter match up is easily won…the post have a slight advantage for the dream team..redeem winning by 10+

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How about telling us something that we don’t know, Magic. Like who plowed more broads, you or Wilt?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Dream team would beat Redeem team by an average of 5 points over any amount of games. I’s that close. Quit acting like that team is untouchable. They would win, but not in dramatic fasion regularly. AND, i’d put money on Redeem team winning a game or 2 in a series.

  • JK

    Are you all serious, you say the dream team gaurds couldn’t play deffense. Anyone remember the all time steals leader is john stockton and i don’t see anyone approaching that stat leav alone his assist record maybe thats becaue of malone scoreing but he still had to get him the ball. And have any of you ever watched magic play his passes and steals are fare more impressive than anything the redeam team has shown me. We won’t even mention MJ and Pippen. The bench of the Dream Team even if they wern’t as athletic would destroy the Redeam Team with toughness and fundamentals. The redeam team are a bunch of athletic cry babies who would flopp around and scream at the reffs while the dream team beats them into the ground. They would out rebound out pass and out shoot the redeam team. You would see a bunch of babies crying for their mothers. They don’t even understand the meaning of physical play or fundamentals.

  • Lu11

    It cannot be compared. Totally different eras, other countries were not as competitive as they are today… ’92 dream team definitely better, but it’d be close anytime you have kobe, lebron and dwade ot the other team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    All the players would have played in the game except Christian Laettner and maybe Tayshun Prince. There is a matchup advantage with every player in the game, going both ways. The Dream Team just has more talent, and more depth. Nobody is arguing that the Redeem Team was bad, just that the Dream Team is named so for a reason. And it’s not a slight to the Redeem team to say they wouldn’t have stood a chance in a series against the Dream Team, they weren’t assembled with the thought process that this will be the best team ever. The Dream Team was; the players recruited one another (except Isiah, they un-recruited Isiah) their practices are legendary for how competitive they were (Mainly because of *Not a shell of his former self* Magic Johnson, & Michael Jordan). That 1996 team and the Redeem team may be a decent debate though. idk that whole roster off hand though.

  • Frank

    Somebody do a serious breakdown of the 92 vs 08 stats, ages, etc…and make a comparison based on the data. The fact is that wade Kobe Lebron Howard at this point are likely to be all timers and their stats hold up to the old dudes. Cp3 DWill…maybe. The Jordan factor is incredibly potent. However the 08 team was very young and athletic, Kobe was still in his 20′s and he was among the elders. and they weren’t just young, they were experienced, Kobe and Wade were champs already. I think 92 gets it, but don’t fool yourself thinking bout a blowout.

  • JK

    wade and lebron are in their prime and they were shut down defensivly by an ancient kidd this year and you are saying they would destroy jordon, magic, stockon, pippen, and drexler your all nuts.

  • http://Slamonline.com Waffle

    Am I the only one that honestly thinks redeem team could beat the dream team? ’08 team is more athletic in the backcourt and I think the gaurds and small forward would be advantage to ’08. In the post you all are right that ’92 would have their way but I think the ’08 team has too many elite scorers on their team. I’m saying that the 2012 team will be best ever though

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    My whole argument has been under the premise that this would be a series. Just to point that out. I understand that it wouldn’t be a sweep or anything like that. I’d say 5 or 6 games, but couldn’t see the redeem team having a chance at actually besting that 92 team 4 times in 7 games.

  • dnice

    92 easily,,,the redeem team was nice but…mj and pip on the wings,,,,bird mullin and stockton behind the line,,,magicpenitrating,,mj slashing,,and did yall for get about drexler !!! hhmmmmm,,,and on the block it was a wrap ppl !!!! redeem team had some star power but not enough !!! 92 had too many ppl who could take over and the ultimate closer in the goat 23 !!!!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Original Dream Team in 5. Even WITH a 6 man rotation. lol
    AND an old ass Joe Bird.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Somebody really said Kobe and wade could guard barkely… LMFAOOOOOOOOO

  • http://Slamonline.com Waffle

    And I dont believe this MJ factor would exist because Kobe and LeBron can both lock any guard down when they play at their best. I’m not saying MJ wouldn’t be a threat but he would push around any of the guys that would be guarding him. This is just my opinion though so no need to throw heat at me for my opinion

  • dnice

    remember MJ WITH A CHANCE TO SHUT ALL THE MOUTHS OF THE FOOLS THAT ACTUALLY COMPARE KOBE TO HIM,,SERIOUSLY,,JORDAN WOULD NEVER ALLOW HIMSELF TO LOSE TO KOBE…JORDAN WOULD HAVE LOCKED HIM UP AND POSTED HIM ON THE OTHER END,,,

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Look… It wouldn’t be a blowout. But ’92 wins bc of their dominant front court… I think Lebron,wade,and kobe, do a decent job on pippin,magic,mj and drexler tho… That matchup would be close…

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Waffle:
    With my purest intentions;
    No human being in the History of Basketball can guard Jeffrey.
    Jeffrey guards himself.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Philo, no human being expect for The Glove did.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    This is off topic but I hope everyone saw Jrue Holiday’s interview on Jim Rome today. It was, uh, interesting.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This was actually a good way to waste time today.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t watch ESPN, what did he say?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor – The Glove?
    27.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.1 apg and 41% FG for MJ in the ’96 finals.
    Granted, the FG% was lower than usual, but if that’s locking down MJ, than you know he’s truly Unf★ckwitable™.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    I agree Allenp. Can’t do a seasons worth of these pointless debates tho. lol.
    What, what did Jrue say?

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Enig, do they have game by game stats? Cuz Glove didn’t guard Money the entire series…

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Among other things, he mentioned that the lockout doesn’t affect him because he lives with his parents and doesn’t spend any money, and that he “hopes” the NBA season will start by January.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, check out MJ’s numbers from the last 3 gms (when George Karl finally put GP on MJ). That was probably the worst 3 gm stretch of MJ’s career.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, MJ was held to 23 points on 6 of 19 shooting in game 4, and 22 points on 5 of 19 shooting in game 6.
    Other than that though, dude did his usual thing.
    Payton locked MJ better than most, but if anything, I’d say Joe Dumars was the closest to a Jordan-stopper as anyone.

  • Jer dawg

    Was that really Jordan’s stats vs. Sonics in ’96 title? Amazing job by Payton. Jordan torched Lakers 91 cuz Byron Scott was too small, ’92 Drexler wasn’t known for Defense then Terry Porter was too small. ’93 Dan Majerle? Those no defense Suns? Went off for 40ppg avg. Lol.
    ’96 the Glove harrased him. Props to Payton. Then back to back years of Bryon Russell and Jeff Hornacek. Yeah.
    But, yeah, put this matchup on 2K12.
    ’92 would win because nobody could be doubled teamed without getting burned. 08 team you could double guys some guys, like Dwight, would miss a shot from 10 feet away. David Robinson and Patrick Ewing drain 15ft Js all day if left alone.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Man, I need to go back and watch game 6 of that series.
    I had no idea MJ struggled to score that much in a deciding, title-clinching game.
    But you know, when you’re 12 years old and a Bulls fanatic, you think he can do no wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Richard Dumas was the primary Jordan defender in 93. Just sayin

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I was cheering against the Bulls that series. And cursing George Karl.

  • B.C.

    Redeem Team would smash the Dream team, Redeem team has way more size, skill, and athleticism. I mean back in the Dream Team’s days they didn’t even know what a crossover was. Redeem team far more talented and skilled, no disrespect to Magic and MJ, but the Redeem Team is better hands down.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I remember Dumas giving Scottie all kinds of trouble with his offense. That boy had talent, but cocaine is a helluva drug.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Out of all the games Payton and Jordan played against each other, two or three games means that Payton (or anyone) can guard Michael Jordan??
    Well then, I learned something new today.
    3 games…
    2 or 3 games.
    Out of ALL of those games.
    Damn.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dumas was a dumbass that’s for sure

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, how was Joe Dumars (a great defender) the closet thing to a Jordan stopper when MJ regular dropped 40 and 50 on DET in the RS and Playoffs. No one was ever able to stop MJ but the closest to doing that was GP in the 96 Finals.
    Philo, we are talking about the Finals. No one cares about what MJ did vs GP in the RS. Dude was able to slow down MJ in the Finals when no one had come close to doing, dude avg. 33ppg for his career in 35 Final games.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    BallisLife got a MJ mixtape of all his 50 point games compacted into 1 – 2Hour Video. Someone had a lotta time on their hands apparently.

  • Feez22

    Way to tell us what we already know magic…

  • http://Slamonline.com Waffle

    Am I stupid for thinking Lebron could shut down MJ? I mean athletically Lebron is better in every way.. I could see Lebron being the first real MJ stopper

  • Feez22

    @Waffle Lebron could shut down mj? im just gonna stop you right there… Lebron can’t even shut down CARMELO ANTHONY nonetheless damn mike jordan. & Jordan had more offensive skills & athleticism than carmelo so… i’ll just dead your statement right there.

  • http://Slamonline.com Waffle

    NBK, where’s the video at?

  • Feez22

    btw talking about jordan stoppers… how about gerald wilkins? he was a great defender back then if anyone remembers him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ballislife

  • http://www.ballislife.com/video/jordan50pointgames nbk

    you know what just click my name, that’s easier

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    That was actually me not Waffle.

  • http://Slamonline.com Waffle

    @feez22 how about you not be an ignorant person an see the statement I made earlier that if he or Kobe were to play their best on D then I could see either of them stopping MJ in his tracks. If you deny that then you obviously lack knowledge of the 21st century NBA

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    That Jordan 50 point games video is also on Worldstar from a couple of days ago.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LeBron could possibly give Jordan some problems if he D’d him up.
    I see LeBron as a Scottie Pippen-esque defender in terms of being a 6’8″ guy who can really guard perimeter players effectively.
    And one of the best things about playing with Pippen for Jordan was that it meant Jordan never had to be worried about being guarded by Pippen.
    Ultimately though, Jordan would still find a way to get his.

  • ab40

    uhm yeah two of the best point guards ever. the best sg ever and the second best pg at that time Drexler (trust me dude had more lift than anyone off of one leg), two of the top 5 sf’s of all time, perhaps the best 4 man of all time. and let’s be real here Karl Malone would beast anyone on the block even Howard and Barkley outworks everybody than there are ewing and robinson both unique talents taller (both 7 ft) and one even more athletic (robinson) than dwight. Don’t get me wrong the redeem team was a joy to watch but to think they can hang with the dream team in a one game elimination game with a price on the line? And nbk I just got here but before you brag about 50 pt games go to basketballreference and see if you can find out how many wilt had.

  • http://www.egay.com eGirl

    Magic and his HIV need to sit down.. Bron, DWade & Bosh can singlehandedly take down the 92 Geaser Team

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I am not braggin about anything. And am well aware of Wilts (118 or so) 50 point games.

  • logues

    are u guys fricken serious? the 92 bulls prolly coulda stayed close with the redeeem team just cuz of jordan. ok thats an exaggeration, but mj was so dominant then that to even think that mj in his prime paired with a crap ton of HOF’s in their prime would lose to anyone is just dumb. as good as howard is, ewing and robinson woulda owned him. their defense was just as good, and their offense is way better. the wings are close, but mj alone gives the dream team the nod

  • logues

    eGirl: Bron, DWade and Bosh got their a$$es handed to them by a german

  • seriousblack

    Kobe or Lebron shutting down MJ? Let’s see, Kobe has never been as quick or athletic as Jordan so that wouldn’t happpen. Lebron has the quickness and athleticism, but Jordan could easily out wit him. Looks like Waffle is smoking the same stuff Tyrone Biggums is.

  • robb

    ’92 MJ would destroy 08 Lebron/Wade/Kobe. He was 29 back then. Forget about it.

  • http://Slamonline.com Waffle

    @Seriousblack have you ever seen Lebron play? I’m no Lebron fan but he isn’t gonna be one of the greatest players of all time because of his offense. The dude can lock down anybody positions 1-4. So no I’m not smokin crap maybe you should look up Brons defensive stats. The dude CAN lock anybody up when he is focused on it and not trying to out score the world. And for Kobe he is just as witty as MJ so he can find ways to compensate for his slow feet and strength. Will anybody agree that either of these two have POTENTIAL to shut MJ down????

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Nobody should agree to that. Slow him down, a little, sure. But MJ couldnt “lock-down” either of those too as well so its just about who is better. And that answers pretty clear.

  • http://Slamonline.com Waffle

    Yeah it’s obviously f*cking Lebron. Put a stamp on it

  • zach

    I could see MJ locking down Kobe. He was a superior defender than Kobe, plus he was quick as hell. Can’t see the reverse. Now Lebron is a whole ‘nother animal. He has all of MJ’s quickness but he so much stronger and bigger. I don’t even think Scottie could lock Bron down. As far as Kobe as a defender goes, TMac and AI were both in their primes when Kobe was supposed to be this elite defender and he got torched by those two a lot. You’re gonna tell me Kobe can lock down 92′ MJ but he couldt handle a prime AI or Tmac? GTFOH

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Ehh Kobe in 06 could not be locked down, by any defender ever. kobe in 08 v MJ from 92….maybe.Kobe would definitely struggle but i dont think he’d get locked up.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobe dropped 55 on MJ old tail. Also I see people commenting on me calling Magic washed up. Yes he led Lakers, but the LAKERS had alot of great players people. Magic was not magic in my opionon on the 92 team and Bird could barely play. Yes Scottie could defend, but Barkley out muscled folks. Also Barkley had game, but his post moves were pretty standard yall. Kobe would not let himself lose to MJ, yall know that. Kobe came into the league and went after MJ every game they played aginst each other. People stop acting like MJ teams could not lose. Zeke led Piston teams showed, Bird led HOF team and Magic led HOF team and MJ/Scottie led team can lose. BOOK IT!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Seed……dude, MJ was 43.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    BlackPhantom
    Did anybody else come close to dropping that on MJ in any battle or when he was old?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    MJ wouldn’t himself lose to Kobe if he was in his prime. I assure you of that

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    No, they haven’t. But it’s not really fair to really bring that up against MJ when he was 43. MJ wouldn’t shut Kobe down, but Kobe would have a pretty rough time, on both ends of the court really. MJ guarding Kobe is almost like MJ guarding himself(biggest difference is Kobe isn’t as strong/athletic)and I don’t think MJ’s ever had to guard someone with that kind of offensive talent….at least that played the same position as him, so Kobe might beat him on a few plays, but MJ would win that matchup overall.

  • Kilo

    92 Dream team smashes the redeam team in the PAINT. The Redeem Team would get dominated in the lane. And if they’d had put Zeke or Shaq on the team instead of Lattner, then this is not even a conversation.

  • zach

    I honestly think prime MJ could do it against 06′ Kobe. Based on his defensive skill set alone he could do it, but let’s not forget that Kobe patterned his entire game after the guy. I’m sure he’d know how to handle a less great version of himself. Seed, please stop the bs. A forty-something year old MJ is hardly anyone to brag about scoring on. Kobe went after him every game they played when he was a yougin’ in the League, but he got schooled. You have to be a real fool to think prime Kobe is better than or equal to his Blueprint. Book it!

  • zach

    Kobe scoring on an old man makes him great? Bwaaahahaha. This guy gets worse and worse with his comments.

  • clayton

    come on show d wade some love he was the best player on that squad that year!

  • http://Slamonline.com Stu

    Are you saying you wouldn’t beg to your boys if you scored on a 43 year old Jordan? that’s b.s

  • HAMMER

    Ok. Ok. No1 is “locking down” any1 @ anytime. These players are/were 2 good and 2 great 2 be “locked down”. Struggle? Sure. All of these cats have had games where they struggle. That is expected, even from the greats. They mos def would all bring their A games tho, regardless who they were playing. And whoever mentioned bout KB8 droppin 55 on MJ, a old MJ, please stop. Its ridiculous, pointless, and makes no sense @ all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Hammer it’s the Seed, bro. He just don’t give a **** what appears on these threads under his name….at least it doesn’t seem that way.

  • Feez22

    @ Waffle … So i’m ignorant? hold on a second. let me pull up your question. “Am I stupid for thinking Lebron could shut down MJ? I mean athletically Lebron is better in every way..” You said that. You sir lack knowledge for even coming up with that question. Gerald Wilkins imo was a better man on man defender than this current lebron james and even he didn’t shut down mike jordan. Then again it wasn’t me saying lebron could be the first MJ stopper. that was you. check and mate. anyways… why is lebron the baseline for who can guard mj anyways? Prime Bruce bowen and prime ron artest are better man on man defenders than lebron and prime MJ would probably if not surely light them up.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I never said Kobe scoring on MJ when he is old is the greatest thing ever, it shows that Kobe can care less about who they are. Don’t yall thing Kobe has studied MJ moves to know where he is going and what type of shot he is going to take. Phil Jackson made a valuable point when he stated Kobe could shoot better than MJ, but MJ could palm the ball and finished stronger than Kobe. MJ can lose yall and Pippen was the defensive genius not MJ, he is overrated in defense because he was the greatest ever, just like Kobe has been too. MJ and Kobe would be a wash. BOOK IT!!!

  • Feez22

    btw kobe scored 55 on WIZARDS MIKE. jeez that was victory lap mike jordan. That almost doesn’t even count. Thats like a young dude like derrick rose dropping 40-50 on jason kidd. Wow you owned a geezer. congratulations.

  • http://www.slamonline.com chcosi

    The bottomline is the 2010 USA team that one the Gold is better than 92 dream team and 08 USA team. the 08 team didn’t have a kevin Durant who can shoot it from almost everywhere

  • robb

    what Feez22 said x2.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Haters, Kobe had 42 points at halftime against the Wizards and Kobe slapped MJ on back of his head around the 6:15 mark. KOBE is not scared of MJ. To me Kobe and MJ is the difference in who wins the head to head match up of teams.
    KOBE TEACHES MJ A LESSON: BOOK IT AND WATCH
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_KBgnhCoU

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN LOCK DOWN MELO IS CHAUNCEY

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Scottie Pippen would lock down Melo

  • SikhWitIt

    GP held Jordan to those numbers with a torn calf muscle by the way, jus sayin’. I wish these two saw more of each other–two of the most competitive athletes in sports right there.

  • HAMMER

    I c u BlackPhantom.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Im not saying the redeem team would win but magic has to realize that the world had become much better basketball players by 08′ so his team beating those scrubs by 45 does not matter that much.

  • Allenp

    Jordan was an elite defender when focused. Kobe is just above average
    Both of them sacrificed defense for offense but Jordan’s ceiling was higher.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Did someone just call the Kobe vs MJ matchup a wash? Sheeeeit, by wash you must mean Kobe washing MJ draws because there’s no wash, no rinse, no comparison between the two.

  • Matul Nine

    “it’s not particularly difficult to imagine Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson and company beating a Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony-led team.”

    NBA 2k11 PC mod idea anyone?

  • http://livingwitholdfogies.blogspot.com/ dma

    this is how slow it is….

  • L

    You guys tend to forget that in the final the DT had to beat a very competitive croatian team w players such as Vrankovic, Kukoc, Radja and Petrovic. Yet they have beaten them quite largely while the redeem struggled every bit to beat spain. The redeem would have no chance inside.They’d have a good matchup at PG and at SG (at that time Magic was no more as great, Stockton was injured, Bird too and in my book Lebron can take Pip)All in all the inside depth of the dream team and MJ’s will is good enough. The dream team by 12. L

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Slooooooooow news week.

  • ab40

    ok here we go. Malone averaged 28, 11 and 3. Barkley averaged 23, 11 and 4. Ewing averaged 24, 11 and 3 blocks per game. Robinson averaged 24, 12, 2 assist, 2 steals and 4.5 blocks per game. Clyde averaged 25, 6,6 and 6,7. Chris mullin averaged 25, 5 and 3. John Stockton averaged 13,7 assists and 3 steals per game and shot over 40 percent from 3 pnt range while scoring over 15 points per game. Larry Bird averaged 20.2, 9.6 and 6,8 per game. Magic averaged 19.1, 7.0 and 12.5 assist the season he “retired”, Pip averaged 21, 7.7 and 7, 1.9 stl and 1.1 block per and this Jordan guy averaged 30.1, 6.4, 6.1 and 2.3 steals per game. I think team 92 would be a lot more fluid and efficient in their ofense and defense. They were older more savy knew how to win and had comparable talent at the wing even slightly better probably then the 08 team the 08 does have better(read more) point guards but MJ, Bird and Pip could all bring the ball up very efficiently and could bully Paul and Williams in the Post. Stockton would be in trouble on D versus Williams and Paul not so much vs Kidd. Inside.. Boozer, Howard and Bosh. Boozer is too short and while he bangs Barkley and Malone bang harder and smarter(no homo). Bosh could give em some trouble but the number of iso plays he get’s on this team filled with bad shooters who love to shoot (kobe, wade, lebron, all under 35 percent career 3pnt shooters) plus Malone made it hard as a 40 year old for KG, Bosh shouldn’t be a problem. Dwight is good very physical but he was a robot in the post back then. He’s a great help defender but if an old shaq can cross em up Ewing might kill em. Robinson might be even tougher 7’1 guy who can run with the best of em (he was the leading scorer in 92) yeah he’d be trouble. Melo would give em hell at the four though but I think Chuck would hit him in the face or something stupid if he makes 5 shots in a row. The creativity from the wing to score might be better on the 08 team but the 92 team passed for baskets not just to pass around a zone. I don’t think it’d be a blowout but a 8 to 10 point game for the 92 team. Because where the 08 has one great closer (kobe) the 92 team has two (Bird and MJ) plus Pip can guard Kobe and while LBJ can try it with MJ he must remember that this was the shooting over people MJ not the guy with the gorgeous fluid jumper. So to recap again tough matchup for both teams but the team play, expierience and versatility of the 92 team will give the 08 team too much trouble to overcome with the 92 team building up a nice lead early almost giving it away but then overcoming kobe and co and remain as the greatest team assembled. btw the 94 and 96 teams would trash this team even more inside.. young shaq and olajuwan? Kemp, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman, Malone, Robinson. But those games would be closer since the talent on the wings is probably bigger in the top 4 guys on the 08 team than on the 94 and 96 teams. Just don’t let Gary Payton read that last sentence.

  • BostonBaller

    Everyone mentions that the DT had some guys who were “old” even though they could still play but what about the young somewhat inexperience of some of the ’08 team? Magic was was still Magic and I don’t believe LBJ could cover him. Magic would frustrate him and back him down. LBJ is a hard cover but I believe Pip could at times slow him down, frustrate him and even shut him down at times. Don’t sleep on a craft Stockton on D who would direct the pg’s to his waiting help D. Melo is a born shooter but don’t sleep on Drexler’s disruptive nature on defense or Laetner coming in hacking away. lol. I think the margin of wins for the DT would be about 10 to 15 b/c they knew how to win and would take the games seriously (something they didn’t have to do in ’92). I truly believe that a serious & motivated DT wouldn’t lose more than 1 game (2 tops) to a serious & motivated RT. BTW, whenever a retired player gives his opinion it doesn’t make them bitter old men…the “he’s a hater” line is an overused fad..todays society is a copy cat society with the phrases and us against the world mentality…pull up your pants and think for yourselves. sorry, I’m just bitter. lol

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Look gyuys… Out of everybody on the dream team.. Lebron is probably the only one who could effectively guard mj. Certain people aren’t tripping… Would he lock him down? No mj will get his… But he’s best suited to slowing him down. I think mj might lock Kobe down tho… Just bc he’s so familiar with his game. Pippin can guard melo, but he’d have trouble with him. Offensively… Wade might go off on drexler

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    YALL Haters, Kobe had 42 points at halftime against the Wizards and Kobe slapped MJ on back of his head around the 6:15 mark. KOBE is not scared of MJ. To me Kobe and MJ is the difference in who wins the head to head match up of teams.
    KOBE TEACHES MJ A LESSON: BOOK IT AND WATCH
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7_KBgnhCoU

  • http://www.crushtastic.ca Crusher

    Both teams were studs, but I just can’t see the Dream Team being beaten by anyone. They aren’t just the greatest basketball team of all time, they are arguably one of the greatest sports teams ever assembled. Sure, Bird’s back was a mess, but even having said that, in his last year in the NBA he still averaged 20 points a game. If that guy is your gimp then you are looking pretty good.

    I’m not disrespecting the Redeem Team, but even considering the more competitive environment of 2008, the Dream Team is still number one.

  • shomilocdee

    it was that 92 team that made me fall in love with bball in the 1st place.
    I was 11 and I’ve been hooked ever since.

  • zach

    Co-sign DatKid

  • Conoro

    Anybody who honestly believes that a single player could contain 2006 Kobe Bryant is a damn fool. As for this hypothetical game, ’92 wins because their frontcourt obliterates the 2008 team. That’s it.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    So…
    Gilbert gives Kobe 60.
    Alan Houston gives him at least 50.
    Larry Hughes gives him 40.
    But, he can contain Michael Jordan. The NBA’s all time leader in scoring averages for his career. Statistically, the greatest scorer in League History.
    Hughes wasn’t even an all star in his prime.
    Ray Allen sets an offensive record in Kobe’s house. Kobe didn’t even foul out of that game.
    But he can contain Jordan. If he’s focused.
    NICE!!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Oh, and Jordan NEVER, EVER got lit up for 60 points by ANYONE.
    And the majority of Michael’s generation are sure – fire Hall of Fame material. Anyways…

  • zach

    Philo FTW!!! Don’t forget how Jamison dropped 50+ on Kobe’s head. And yes, Jordan could contain Kobe. He was damn good in 06′ but not completely unstoppable. Go look up his weak games in 05-06 and you tell me if those defenders were better than MJ. Prove me wrong; I dare you.

  • kenny

    I was saying that it would be interesting and probably closer than you think, I don’t think it’d be a blow out. Kobe on MJ? I’m not without a doubt ’92 MJ would walk all over that, even though Kobe’s my hero. But Pippen on Lebron? I don’t know. Stockton/Johnson vs ’08 Paul/Williams/Kidd? I think that would be close. But I’m not too familiar with Stockton’s play TBH. I still think it would be different. I would favor the Dream Team in a 7-game series, but I wouldn’t put all my money down on it.
    As for Lebron choking and his in-ability to guard Kidd/Terry in the ’11 Finals, for the PURPOSE of this conversation, we got to say he was bringing his ‘A’ game.

  • alex80

    ….Why is this news?? Everybody knows that. Even I do, and I wasn’t even alive in 2008.

  • Justin

    Everyone needs to stop comparing players from different generations. There is NO comparison. Yes, competition is much more difficult now in other countries as opposed to when the “Dream Team” thrashed on them. That does NOT mean that Bryant, James, and co. couldn’t put up a great match. These older players coming out and talking s*** is actually getting pretty pathetic because the players would whoop your @ss right NOW and that is all that matters. Keep living in the past Magic, before you know it, the future will close in on you slowly. I love basketball, not the NBA. When Kobe goes overseas with Deron Williams to create their own “Dream Team” I will have absolutley no problem watching Euro-ball. The owners and players all need a wake up call really. But like I said, I still love the game and you have to admire those who play it the best. Have a nice day.

  • Gogs

    this team beat them back in ’92 do you think perhaps it wouldn’t be as one sided as Magic beleives, that and the fact european ball improved dramatically after the dream team, you only have to look at the influx of europeans to since
    http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/mdev_1992.html

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    @Philosopher, majority of Michael’s generation are – fire hall of fame material?

    I would argue that today’s NBA is more star heavy

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Cosign the f*ck out of the philosopher… Mj is a great defender…Kobe is a halfway decent one. get your minds right. And seed? You’re an idiot. So Kobe could take mj when he was with the wizards… Cool. To bad that’s not the same mj we’re talking about.

  • ohio okhai

    I just want to understand why the phrase name Dream Team is no longer used? other teams and they are not even bball are using it. it is a solid brand name

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    In 7 game series redeem team FTW. Stockton couldn’t handle cp3 or DWill. Point gaurds male the difference

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Stockton couldn’t handle a lot of point guards, honestly.
    His on the ball defense always was suspect.
    And always overrated.
    Shout out to Chris Jackson…

  • Moreeze

    Well Magic,

    don’t go over board with your estimation. I would not be too sure about your assessment. Let’s agree to simply not compare. Todays playersmweren’t whatnthey are without you. However, the game has evolved and you guys made. Kobe, Dwayne and thosnkids learned a great deal from you and got the game ahead even a couple steps further. I would think it would be a awfully close gane, but t the end they would win against you guys, because they are that more talented today – and thats your “fault”. It is like the father will get beat by the son, because the sonis offered so much more weapons fron the get go.

    Further, coming from Germany myself, the European competition could hrdly dribble straight. Now we ther are the Nowitzky & Co’s that are NBA MVPs. There is Spain, of which almsot all players are playing in the NBA or will do by next season. International ball is a different beast today – and again, it’s your “fault”! You smashed them so bad, that they went bck home and learned to play ball. they send their plaErs to learn in the NBA and that they did.

    Therefore I would not be so big on the point differential. 40something points in 1992 is just as bad as 20 something in 2008.

    So stop messin that up, before you will be tested with some weired geek technology that will give a objective analyses of those two teams…

    Sure I would love to see that game….

    best, Maurice

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    2:27pm was not me and I paid attention during English class.

  • zach

    No you didn’t. If you did, you’d notice where you were supposed to put a comma.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    ,

  • http://www.aessucces.org Jewk-I

    Kobe could get locked down by MJ. If guys like Bruce Bowen gave him trouble, then a one-time defensive player of the year could too. The Seed must swalllow Kobe’s seeds the way he talks crazy. No way Kobe could lock MJ down.

  • Ron

    Not that I don’t agree with the idea of the 92 Dream Team were the best, but it is pointless to compare teams / players from different era, such comparisons will always be pure talks yet couldn’t be proved. Pointless.

  • W-W

    The redeem team would be more of a bomb than “The Decision”

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Watched every game of both teams whn they competed, even have two Dream Team practice videos courtesy of my Boss, former Nba employee. Dream Team wins this matchup.
    The reasons have been stated enough above but my take is as follows:
    Would the dream team have had a close call against Team Espagna ’08? Needed a lucky 4pt play to seal the deal?
    Rubio, Navarro, Garbajosa ,Reyes, the Gasols, Mumbru etc against THAT collection of talent? I say no.
    In my opinion, Wade (coming back from multiple injuries) was the Redeemer’s best player on both sides of the court ,even added a deadly three point shot in Beijing.
    Dream Team had Barkley as their Mr. Unstoppable on offense, and Drexler/MJ/Pip had a lot of the flashy plays.
    But at no point, except against Croatia, did i think MJ and Pip were going all out on D. That game was basically a platform for Pippen to try and embarass Kukoc and in extension Krause for showing soooo much interest in him.
    Again, MJ and Pippen were on cruise control for most of that tournament, Laettner was an afterthought and the only players truly going H.A.M were Round Mound, Robinson and Magic.

  • SikhWitIt

    I can’t believe this story generated 200+ posts. There are a lot of youngsters out there with an undercooked, historically dispossessed understanding of the game.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    200+ comments for this does not surprise me.
    This is Slamonline: where arguments happen.

  • Heals

    Eboy and others hit it early on, the big difference comes from the skill of the bigs an despite how crazy it may sound MJ wasn’t the Alpha that he is remembered as being. That said it seems the roles were much more well defined on the original squad and that the pieces all fit together better. However; the Dream had it’s pick of the litter with players, not the case in 08′. Throw in Ticket, Ray Ray and any other non-Celtic future HOF’s that weren’t runnin in 08′ and maybe we get an argument…

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I’m sorry, my brethren, but I also have to say this;
    Regarding John Stockton’s defensive weaknesses.
    As BostonBaller pointed out, John Stockton used to play to an opposing point guard’s weak hand, and lure him into the part of the defense that was occupied by… one of the greatest shot blockers of all time in Mark Eaton.
    We all know about Karl Malone. Then, there was Thurl Bailey, who was also an effective shot blocker. Even if from the weak side.
    So as a result, Stockton was able to gamble, pursue passing lanes, roam, etc,.
    But when it came to one on one, belly up defense, Stockton would routinely get broken down off the dribble. This is true. So, to imply OR procure the idea onto the masses that Houston Stockton was this world class perimeter defender is simply, plainly, and obviously inaccurate.
    Not to beat a dead horse.

  • Animalxxx13

    What’s there to debate about.. It’s not possible when u have not just hall of famers but 3 legends who revolutionize modern basketball. The 08 team should step up and pay respect and say 92 is the greatest ever.

  • http://dsfkjlfl.com Jukai

    Philo: Stock was a pretty good isolation defender, don’t sell him short… but yeah, John was pretty far from lockdown. He had GREAT hands to nap the ball from guys, and incredible court vision which would allow him to pick off passes… but he wasn’t shutting people down. He was a great overall defender, but he was kinda a staple of second-team all defense… just not good enough for that first team spot.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    That’s all I’m really saying. Stockton was not locking up anyone.
    Period.
    This was one of the reasons that there were people were calling him “dirty”, and what not because, he couldn’t guard anyone. He had to get by.
    Just like Reggie Miller…
    Now, as far as his hands are concerned, he had good hands.
    They were huge for his size. Like, he had REALLY big hands.

  • flipnoyce

    I can’t believe this was even a comparison. Pick the starters on both side and the Dream Team starters would run thru the Redeem Team in all facet of the Game.Defense or Offense!!! Magic vs. Cp3, Jordan vs. Kobe, Pippen vs. LBJ, Bosh-Melo-Boozer vs. Barkey, Robinson-Ewing vs. Dwight or Chandler. Best of 3, the Dream Team will win it all weather its 5-40 points.
    P.S. to all the youngens born in the 90′s, Kobe and LBJ would have to double team Prime Jordan if they wanted to contain him. CP3 and DWill would have to double team Magic to contain him. Scottie would handle Lebron all on his own without trouble. If you want a reference just ask TONY ALLEN! TA is not even half the Defensive player PIP was!! Bosh and Howard would need 10 foul each just to stay in the game against Barkley and Robinson.

  • Armando

    The DT mixed up their starting lineup, but assuming their olympics finals starting five it would be:
    PG – Magic 8ppg, 5.5apg
    SG – Jordan 14.9ppg 4.8apg
    SF – Pippen 9ppg, 5.9apg (leading the team)
    PF – Malone 13ppg, 5.3rpg
    C – Ewing 9.5ppg, 5.3rpg
    Barkley is the 6th man, the tournament’s best player and USA’s leading scorer at 18 per game. People tend to forget Mullin’s significance on the team, 12.9 ppg, 3.6 apg and 54% from three. The two players playing the least were Stockton and Laettner. Drexler and Bird started 3 games each as well and chipped in 11 and 8ppg respectively. Robinson essentially split the time at center 50/50 with Ewing, posting 9 and 4 per game. Match ups position by position:
    PG: Magic would post up any of the Redeem Team PGs except maybe Kidd, he wouldn’t be able to stop Paul or Williams though, but with Robinson/Ewing behind him that wouldn’t be a problem. Stockton was better than any of the Redeem Team PGs at this point in his career, top three passer of all time, excellent shooter, great defender and a tough nail (put up 16ppg 14apg and 3spg for the Jazz in 91-92):
    EDGE: DT
    SG: Jordan vs. Kobe – Skills wise a wash, but MJ’s the best ever because of his determination and mindset. Drexler vs. Wade: Again very even, Wade’s probably got the upper hand here, but only slightly (I’ll rank these 5th and 4th all time at the 2). Redd could get some time, probably matched up against Mullin, but that’s a duel he’s bound to lose anyway.
    EDGE: DT
    SF: Pippen vs. James: James would have to work against Pippen and vice versa. Mullin and Bird vs. Anthony (who primarily has played the four internationally, but will see time at the three as well) and Prince: Prince is a very good defender, but he’s never been anywhere near the player Mullin was. Anthony is arguably better than Bird at this point, but without the intangibles. Anyway…
    EDGE: Almost EVEN, but i’ll give this one to the Dream Team as well unless Anthony sees a lot of time at the SF, in which case it tips the other way (slightly).
    PF: Malone vs. Anthony: Malone could possibly struggle against Melo on the perimeter, but come on, Anthony doesn’t hold a candle to the Mailman. Boozer would surve nicely as Barkley’s halftime snack. Laettner would only get garbage minutes.
    EDGE: DT
    C: I believe DH could end up being the better player of all the centers on these teams, but at their respective points in their careers this is pretty even. Howard would probably do alot of damage, but it’s basically two against one and a half (Bosh).
    EDGE: DT. Dream Team would win it.

  • Armando

    Note: Stockton broke a bone in his foot and played only 4 games. If healthy his role would have been bigger. Jordan and Pippen handled the ball when Magic wasn’t on the court.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Armando… I feel you. Except I’d give the sf edge to the dream team, i’ve said before that an angry motivated Lebron James is just too quick and strong for Scottie pippin to contain and idk if Dwight Howard ends up being better than either of the dream team centers…also @flipnoyce idk if they would want to double team mj… There’s too many other offensive threats. So kobe/wade/Lebron would all have to take turns guarding him.. And while I don’t think they’d stop him, they can slow him down a little

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Cp3 and d.will might get the better of Stockton tho.. They’re more athletic and as philo noted.. Stockton could get broken down by them. Magic probably can’t stop them either defensively. They don’t even have to penetrate all the way and risk getting blocked, they’re both excellent outside shooters. So they’d go ham but they’d have to go completely insane to have a chance to beat the dream team. So again the dream team will most likely win.

  • http://www.aessucces.org Jewk-I

    As they said above, Kobe wouldn’t be a threat to MJ. The only years he was a good defender he let Arenas Jamison and others have 50-60 point games. Wade is another overrated defender. Mj would use his advantage of quickness, big hands, and length to blow by him. Wade’s ball handling is so sloppy that MJ would lock his ass down if he was guarding Wade. Bron is the only one with chance to give MJ serious trouble.

  • Kilo

    I think this is a sign they should extned this to the mag.

  • John Starks

    I feel in a series the Dream Team would win, but it wouldnt be as big of a disparity some people are suggesting. And LMAO @ the people saying Kobe and Wade could guard Barkley

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    SLAM needs to post another top story now….

  • Heals

    Love discussions like these; just a good combo of different opinions, memories, viewpoints, age-groups and player allegiances colliding in one spot…

  • Someguy25

    To be honest aint none of deze guys touchin Vince Carter in the Sydney Olympics 2000, dude wuz fukin ungaurdable. He gave u everything u wanted to seen in the Olympics in a one man show, hands down the greatest show put on in Olympics history, Im talkin every single game he lead the team in scoring and had 2-3 dunks a game dat gave u da gas face…Thank U VC for teachin deze cats on da biggest stage eva, when 3 of the top players in the league today couldnt even get it done once upon a time…and it even took the Great Kobe to team up wit dem cats da second go round to get it done…..Just one of the many reasons why VC is one of the most super highly underrated ever.

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    @Someguy25, are you saying that Kobe, Lebron, Wade, MJ cannot touch Vince in 2000? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    MJ = best sg ever – KOBE = 2nd best – WADE = 4th best – Vince = Like 14th best after his cousin T-MAC

  • Conoro

    If any of you are legitimately arguing that Bryant had the majority of those big games scored directly against him, then you all need at least one or all of the following three things: 1) Eyes; 2) Brains; 3) Fond fantasies of Jordan bedding you for arguing in his favour to stop.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Holdup..wade’s not overrated as a defender at all Jewk-i

  • non-sense

    i think itll be a close game if the two teams battle it out..but i guess that the dream team will have an advantage in the battle of the bigs..(chris bosh/ carlos boozer??) man like playing boys against man..they’ll get pounded inside..
    and when the game is close..where will both team go??
    dream team = all of them are battle tested
    redeem = ehem (probably not go to lebron) he will choke..haha
    it goes down to kobe vs jordan..
    and surely jordan will wint that battle..
    dream team wins!!!

  • seriousblack

    Well I agree that Wade most certainly is overrated. This year’s playoffs solidified it. It’s not that he doesn’t have the potential to be a consistent above average defender, it’s that he takes way too many possesions off on the defensive end. He’s like Kobe in that he can be a good defender when he really wants to be. That’s not often enough, so yea he’s an overrated defender.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobe Haters, Every act like MJ never got scored on, you know why yall. Scottie guarded the best opponents players. Ask Magic. People act like MJ would not lose to MJ, but a pupil always becomes better than their teacher after playing each other enough. Everybody knows that. Kobe led 08 Dream Team wins, stop acting MJ always won and he did everything by himself. I keep saying Zeke and the Pistons proved Magic led, Bird led and MJ led teams can lose to them. BOOK IT!!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Scratch what I said earlier. I’m thinking redeem team would win 9 times outta ten with Chris Bosh scoring 45 on barkley

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I’m gonna take JTaylor’s comment as sarcasm.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Scratch what I said earlier. I’m thinking the Dream Team would win 4 games out of a 7 games series. BOOK IT!!!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m completely serious

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Well boy, I completely agree to disagree on that one.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You know I’m right

  • http://dsjfklfl.com Jukai

    I think The Seed just screws around with us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Man, Chris Bosh would have to stay near the perimeter all game if he wanted to score 20, let alone 45.

  • jay

    lets compare apples to apples..i would say dream team vs redeem team would be close…the inside of malone, barkley, ewing, and robinson would kill redeem team! memo would hod his own. as for magic vs kidd i would go magic..as per perimeter play mj, pippen and dresler vs kobe, lebron, wade..it would be pretty tight but i would not bet against mj. redeem team would beat 96 team thou shaq would eat front court of redeem alive..i take the backcourt of kobe, bron and wade! kobe took care of biz both offensively and defensively in the gold metal game. if i remember correctly kobe was point guard down the stretch in that game. coach k must have been kicking himself with the fact he would have one more chip at duke if he had kob on that 99 squad vs ucoon!

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    Look @seiousblack wade is not as good a defender as he used to be… But he’s not overrated by far. This year’s playoffs didn’t solidify anything about his defense are you out of your mind? The ONLY person in the NBA who can give d.wade buckets consistently is d.rose… D.wade is probably pound for pound one of the best shot blockers out there.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Dwight Howard’s on the ball defense is a bit overrated. Who has he had to guard that was anywhere near the level of Patrick Ewing or David Robinson? The closest we’ve seen is Yao Ming, who absolutely destroyed Dwight every time they matched up. Dwight anchors the middle like no one else we’ve seen… this era. The Admiral and Mr. Chewing don’t play around.

  • jimmer

    Never mind all the talk about perimeter play. It comes down to the paint, like most people are saying, and Robinson, Ewing, Barkley and Malone would’ve eaten those kids alive. You have to remember that in the whole of LBJ etc carriers, the ONLY player they have EVER seen who could hold a candle to these guys was a prime Tim Duncan. Shaq’s peak was about 2-3 years before they came in. ’03-04 the beginning of the end, as it were. The slash and drive NBA game is, surprisingly, not a result of some instant human evolution in leaping ability and dexterity, it is because the post has been unoccupied for half a generation. (I’m taking ‘generation’ as a career cycle of 12-13 years)

  • http://slamonline.com jeremy

    yeppp they gotta put this on 2k12 LOL

  • http://www.specialolympics.org/ Felix

    Michael Jordan was an elite defender, & I don’t know how anyone could disagree with this. For example, in 87-88 he averaged 3.2 steals and 1.6 blocks per game.(I don’t see any redeem guys putting up those types of d numbers, although numbers don’t tell the whole story)In 92 Jordan lead the league in steals at 2.8 per game and averaged .9 blocks ….
    …96 team has Shaq and Hakeem Olajuwon- those two guys are a mini dream team by themselves, so who guards them on 92? Hakeem famously destroyed the Admiral after he won the MVP and the only dude who could guard a young Shaq was Hakeem- although Ewing is a bad dude and he’s got a chance… Still think 92 team beats 96 or 2008 personally, but the teams are closely matched so the debate might come down to coaching- Coach K and staff versus Chuck Daly…is our hypothetical dream game a pickup game or do we have full coaching and training staffs? I feel this could make a difference… As for Earvin Magic Johnson, I for one, am grateful he made this comment and gave us all something to chat about this morning. Magic still has that competitor’s mindset, why does it bug some people that he would have confidence in his legacy? I feel like any competitive person says the same thing…

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Magic is the greatest player to ever play in the NBA.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    No Kobe Bryant far surpasses anyone in the NBA

  • dmoney

    Look the dream team causes too many match up issues for the redeem team at the point you are talking about a 6’9 magic johnson so even if d will and cp3 have a quicknewss advantage they won’t be able to stop one post up or pass everything will be over their heads also asking melo and those weak power forwards to play defense against karl malone and charles barkley and the turn around and play well offensively is a bit much. Then you place dwight howard and his sorry post game against david robinson and patrick ewing two very polished post players and you have all kinds of problems not to mention mjs will to win and. Chris mullins consistent shooting and you have a recipe for disaster for the redeem team.

  • Brian Greene

    The 1992 Barcelona Dream Team’s dominance was out of this Milky Way Galaxy. They’re the only team in a 75-year olympic basketball history to score over 100 points, shoot over 50%, and have a separation of over 30 points in all 8 games.

    In regards to 2008 Redeem Team beating the 1992 Barcelona Dream Team, one astounding thing comes to mind … 2008 team’s biggest margin of victory was 49 points; 1992 team’s biggest halftime lead was 48. No more needs to be said.

  • Mooney10

    The competition Internationally at that time aside, we are talking about names on the 92′ team that will never be touched. Stockton and Malone didn’t even start!!! I doubt anyone on the Redeem will pass Malone in ponts or Stockton in assists or Magic for that matter. There wouldn’t be a competition 20 point spread at least in favour of the Dream Team. The guys of today could never play D like the guys on the 92 team. I believe that the late 80-90′s play will never be duplicated and that is because they play both ends of the floor. Other than Dwight there is not one superior defender on the Redeem Team, ask Lebron and Wade how they faired agianst the Mavs LOL!!! who did they have again?? Nowitzki and old KIdd and Jason Terry, get off! now you guys are syain they could stop Bird, Magic, MJ with a FIBA 3 point line and tougher paint rules, there isn’t a way in hell! I am only 23 and I know better, you guys should not compare any tema to the Dream team, called “dream” for a reason!!

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