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Monday, August 8th, 2011 at 11:05 am  |  132 responses

NBA Owners ‘Tired’ of Making Players Rich


According to NBA.com‘s David Aldridge, the last labor meeting between players and owners was “cordial” if unproductive, but there’s growing resentment on both sides. The owners want to radically change the amount of money players make (read: they want to dramatically lower it): “A source who deals with owners on a regular basis said that they remain determined to, if not break the union, break its current salary structure. The source said owners frequently speak of ‘being tired of making these guys rich’ and are even contemplating asking for more, such as including income the players receive from their commercial endorsements and sponsorship money into the [Basketball Related Income] pot — the theory being the players wouldn’t become famous and able to make such deals if not for the NBA infrastructure that puts them on television and other media. (Good luck with that one. And, yes, I asked my source if that were the case, why not cut players in for a slice of the action when owners sell their teams? I got something about there being a difference between the risks the players assume on the court and the risks owners take in financing their teams, got a headache in my eye and stopped listening.)”

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  • John

    how does one get a HEADache in one’s eye?

  • alex80

    S%$t!! I got a family to feed!!!!!!

  • LA Huey

    @John, ocular migraine.
    So if the owners want to include endorsements in the BRI shouldn’t the revenue from the owner’s companies with arena naming rights have to be included in BRI? Man, instead of bargaining, the owners are just asking for more?

  • http://64dollacologne.tumblr.com/ cramzy

    oh its possible john, i got one right now

  • Darius

    Owners acting like this can make a Christian curse. i really cant believe this. everyday they do something stupid

  • http://fivemag.de Speedy

    So it’s the owners that bring all the fans to the arenas and make the players famous and rich and not the game the players play since high school.

  • http://fivemag.de Speedy

    You can see that from the other standpoint too.
    The players can also be tired of making the owners rich.
    Why not leaving the NBA for another league.
    Both parties are very important for the product NBA but they seem to forget about the importance of the other party.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Damn.
    The owners are more arrogant than… me.
    These players put their lives into this craft.
    They make THEMSELVES rich.
    Period. Just like some owners make themselves rich. (Mark Cuban)
    I’m sure that some of the owners cannot even say that with truth. For, weren’t some of these teams family owned, and passed down from generation to generation?

  • Yesse

    Without the players, the owners wouldn’t get anything. I would like to see the owners step on the court and play this season since they are this greedy.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I’m beginning to believe (I’ve always believed)that at least some of these owners are indeed racist.

  • http://www.gil1906.com Pve84

    Yikes.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/video/jordan50pointgames nbk

    Don’t all of this summer league stuff and overseas offers disprove that stupid notion that the “owners make the players” – Like these owners are so f*cking arrogant that they forgot LeBron James was the most famous player in the NBA before he was even drafted. All of the Owners that are so set on changing the way the business is done BOUGHT their way into the league, they knew the system and who they were “making rich” when they acquired their teams. F.E. Robert Sarver bought Phoenix in 03 for 410Million dollars the most a franchise had ever been sold for at the time (could be 04) this is in a time that is part of the current CBA – The league had the same exact structure and WAS making money. Now Sarver is leading the charge for the lockout – Talking about how NBA teams aren’t making money – While the Golden State Warriors just sold for 450 Million Dollars. — If the league was honestly in this bad of shape financially and the owners as “smart business men” were really sick of making these guys rich for no reason don’t you think an ownership group would have the intelligence not to overpay for an organization in the midst of a lockout? ** Ohhh wait, so your saying it isn’t overpaying? These guys are actually making money despite their demands and reports of loss revenue? And now they will be making even more under the new CBA? I see

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    This is a joke right? I’m expecting Ashton Kutcher to pop out with a camera crew any minute now. Also, whoever sides with the owners after reading BS like this should cease watching sports, go play barbie or hop scotch.

  • CubicleWorker

    This article is $I#Uing stupid… it’s an unknown source talking about behind the scenes complaints… This article is a pathetic attempt by Slam to slander the owners..

  • wow

    how is it the players fault that the owners dont know how to control their money and feel the need to give guys like rashard lewis so much money….crazy!

  • http://www.twitter.com/notebooknick NotebookNick

    Lol @ CubicleWorker. Because the link jumps to a SLAM written article…

  • http://Slameonline Hoosier

    Damn this sh*t is so frustrating!! Only good thing bout it is the summer streetball leagues that alot of these guys would be playing in anyhow!! Both sides HAVE to get a deal done before missing any games!! Hoopheads like us wont go away but dont know about the average fan…Why jepordize the momentum & upswing in league intrest of 2010? Thats just ignorant and bad business!! JUST GET IT DONE men!!!

  • DieselMechanic

    Just start a new league with all the same guys. Call it the ABA.

  • http://slamonline juice

    At the end of the day, players and Owners need to understand that they have both offended the fans who make chump change with both of their outlandish statments about money. This is through and through a horrible affair of greed on both parts. We loose out

  • John

    @LAHuey Ocular migraines aren’t headaches. they can be associated with them, but they aren’t headaches.

    also.. i was joking

    Who cares if the NBA comes back or not? Summer streetball and then the college season will tide me over until these rich greedy f@@ks come to an agreement.

  • DEKNOWZ

    The owners want players to sign what the music industry calls a 360 deal where they make a percentage of everything the player nets from Basketball while under contract. I think the players should seriously consider creating a league of their own. They could make any money they might lose off their current deals and cost every current owner atleast 300 million dollars. Bring back the ABA! These owners started the problem by over paying them and now want the players to fix it and then some! The players should think about the future of the game instead of the now. They could have a league of their own…

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^^

  • rubs93

    This news to me means two things. one, its sounding like we are not going to have a season both sides are really dug in. two, it’s gonna be a hella “everything must go” sale on nbastore.com

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Like I said earlier if you agree with this sh*t get out. The only player who should get rich is Brandon Jennings

  • giogolo

    It’s time the players really grow a spine. a really effin huge, long one and play overseas. Less they wanna take it in the rear from the owners if they agree more to this “ridiculosity”.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you’re surprised by this, or, you’re still riding with the Owners, then I know what’s up.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And the article was written by David Aldridge. Who words for NBA.COM! The official NBA website.
    So yeah, it’s all about SLAM trying to slander the owners. Right. Sure. OK.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    THE ARTICLE IS ACTUALLY ON THE NBA’S WEBSITE!
    Oh my God. For you to read the article, and think it was slander (really should be libel since it’s written), and not take the time to note it’s written by an NBA employee and posted on an NBA site is amazing. That’s just really amazing.

  • mm

    is it just me or is there the faintest hint of racism (,elitism, or something) in that statement? Tired of making the players rich? It seems like the owners are saying that the players don’t deserve to be rich and that they make the players what they are. It’s almost like they think they own the players. After a statement like that I wouldnt be upset if the players all go overseas and make money from tourneys and stuff like that.

  • kbj

    Dam this is what you call NBA Armageddon.

  • neaorin

    For those clamoring for another ABA, consider this: Any new ownership group would have to deal with the same players’ union and their demands, but without the name recognition and history of the established NBA franchises.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Man, f*ck the owners.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    To the fake JTaylor, keep it up. Need for Kobe’s seed, I know it’s you.

  • YoungB

    This is all Dan Gilbert its his fault he just made cause lebron styled on’em and left he chuck change

  • http://fivemag.de Speedy

    CubicleWorker is a spy who gives us some propaganda from the owners.
    Man it’s like politics. I would laugh if the season wasn’t in jeopardy.
    Damn.

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    CONSIGN @BLACKPHANTOM, @DARIUS & @THEPHILOSOPHER. F*ck da police…Burn London Burn!!!!!

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Yikes indeed; I’m calling NBA players and starting an ABA tomorrow… Holla at me if you wanna buy in.

  • bike

    The owners are going to continue to say anything they want. They hold all the cards and have plenty of motivation to cancel the season. The players will eventually crawl back to the owners on their hands and knees and beg for their jobs back. The only thing left for the players is to evaluate how much a lost season will affect their careers compared to caving right now.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Owner: Here you go player! I’d like to pay you $60 million over the next 4 years to help us win a title!
    Player: Sounds great! Thank you for the opportunity.
    -One year later-
    Owner: I made you rich. I hate you.
    Player: Uhh….

  • Vince5

    I agree the fact that the players gain too much money for putting a ball in a basket, but this is ridiculous. STEALING the players endorsment deals is not a good idea. He*l, every player will go to europe or china and then we’ll see who’s going to lose money.

  • robb

    So the owners, who get rich because the players put on a show every night, wanna lower the amount of money they make? Certain players should win less, but applying that rule to every player, that’s vile.

  • CubicleWorker

    “Longtime NBA reporter and columnist David Aldridge is an analyst for TNT. You can e-mail him here and follow him on twitter.

    The views on this page do not necessarily reflect the views of the NBA, its clubs or Turner Broadcasting.

    It’s a blog link, still SLAM is reporting it like it’s ground breaking news. Once again, this is an unknown source saying tongue-in-cheek comments that may or may not have actually been said. It’s not ground breaking news, and the way its presented here misrepresents the severity of the comments.

    It’s not like $*#&ing Billy Hunter saying “[We'll probably skip the season, we need to save face here]“

  • p

    juice
    At the end of the day, players and Owners need to understand that they have both offended the fans who make chump change with both of their outlandish statments about money. This is through and through a horrible affair of greed on both parts. We loose out

    cosign that 1000%%%

  • CubicleWorker

    “A source who deals with owners” could be anybody from a limo driver, to an assistant to any shmuck with a media pass. These comments have no more weight to them than barber shop talk… take it easy

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    David Aldridge has been reporting on the NBA for two decades.
    He gets paid to post on the NBA.com site, and works for TNT. Just like Sekou Smith. Or Lang Whitaker who worked for SLAM but hosted a show on NBATV. You know, who Woody Paige used to work for the Denver Post or whatever, but still be on ESPN. Or Michael Wilbon used to work for the Washington Post and still work for ESPN. Often these people receive payment for their participation in these sites. More importantly, the sites retain editorial control over what content they allow space. So, any information the sites do not want to be placed up, either because of concerns about its factual basis or about it’s tone, can be ignored. The fact that the NBA, the group discussed in the column, chose not to refuse to run a column by a well-known and reputable sportwriter gives it credence in my opinion.
    The disclaimer is because Aldridge is writing a column expressing his opinion. It’s not the same as refuting the facts in the column, or the information provided by his anonymous source.
    And the saving face comment has been misunderstood in my opinion. If you’re a union negotiating the one thing you cannot lose is the respect of the group you’re negotiating with. If the owners do not respect the players and the strength of their union, then they have no incentive to ever make a deal that benefits the players, or at least minimizes their losses.
    So yes, saving face was the correct term to use because it’s about taking a stand to maintain your bargaining position. The OWNERS hold all the cards in this fight. Inevitably, they will win. The question is how badly do the players lose.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The fake JTaylor? Bro you need to get off my account. How does my account get hacked so much?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    No Cubicle Worker they have far more weight than that.
    If this was Sam Smith, or Peter Vescey, who have both been known to traffic in unsubstantiated rumors, I would agree with you. But DAvid Aldridge almost NEVER “breaks” news through sources, he’s almost always verifying news through people he already knows.
    He does not have a rep for just throwing things against the wall. He does not have a rep for being unbiased or unprofessional. Dude is actually quite conservative in what he attaches his name to, and what he says.
    Now, you can choose to pretend that his comments are something he made up that have no basis in reality, or you can consider the facts of the situation, consider the demands of the owners, and then make a decision on what you believe. It really should be easy.

  • CubicleWorker

    Yes, I will concede that one owner probably said those comments tongue-in-cheek. In all actually it was probably Dan Gilbert. Ideally, yes, there would be no guaranteed contracts, they could take endorsement money in BRI etc etc etc. Those things aren’t going to happen and owners aren’t going to push for it. That’s why these comments are useless. The comments in no way reflect a consensus of opinion from owners.

    My comment about SLAM is coming from the fact that they’ve made a headline story out of a paragraph halfway down the article from an NBA column writer…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I guarantee you that the deal actually agreed to by the owners and players will eliminate fully guaranteed contracts. I’m positive about this.
    It will also reduce the maximum number of years on deals, and roll back the percentage of the BRI players can receive.
    I’m certain those three things will be in the next deal.
    I think it’s likely that players will also have to deal with a more strict cap, and the elimination of certain exceptions to the cap.
    Basically, the owners are going to win. They have all the power. It’s not a game, they aren’t negotiating. They understand that they are going to win, and that’s before they even discuss revenue sharing, if they ever discuss it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    This argument between the two JTaylors is pretty amusing

  • seriousblack

    “Tired of making these guys rich”? I wouldn’t be shocked if that came from Donald Sterling. That sounds like code for “these n#gg*rs need to shut up and take whatever we give them. How dare they want to profit from their own labor?!”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^LOL
    People think it’s only Sterling that has that mindset. But that mindset is far more popular than you think in the League. Look at the power dynamic and tell me you don’t think that’s the sort of sentiment most NBA owners have deep in their hearts.
    They think these kids, who play a game not run a business, are paid too much money and have too much power. And sadly, they will win. This ain’t baseball.

  • SikhWitIt

    Most of these owners amass their wealth on the backs of others, they’re applying the same principles of entitlement here…

  • http://cnbc.com DaReal_JTaylor21

    Changes my username guys. Forget the other JTaylor that’s The Seed

  • seriousblack

    Oh I definitely believe Sterling’s mindset is common around the league. I just wish the overseas option was a realistic one for a mass exodus. The only way the owners would start negotiating fairly is if the workforce that they undervalue is no longer there. Too bad that won’t ever happen.

  • http://Slameonline Hoosier

    F*CK EM ALL!! Greedy motha fu*kers!!! man this is B.S.!! rich arguing with richer!! ready for NCAA hoops season already!!! thank you NFL for getting their shi* together!!!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Well, they’re saying, “we’re tired”.
    To me, that says that that feeling is collective AND general amongst the owners. If he (they) would have said that “I’m” tired, or “a few of us are tired”…
    He said, “WE’RE tired.”
    smh

  • http://www.ballislife.com/video/jordan50pointgames nbk

    I wouldn’t get too hung up on the specific words Philo, it’s a filtered report from someone who heard someone. Easy to get single words or even whole phrases fubar’d

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Yeah, you’re right…
    My bad.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Sometimes, I get really fired up when someone appears to come out with what can appear as blatant racism.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/video/jordan50pointgames nbk

    Hey I am not saying your wrong. Actually your probably right that its a majority of owners who feel that way, I am just saying I wouldn’t take this report as a 100% righteous quote.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It’s funny that people are geeked about the NCAA.
    If there is any system worse than the system the owners want to put into place for basketball players, it’s the NCAA.
    Play for scholarships that you can only use when you’re not working on improving the basketball games that are key to you maintaining the annual contracts that pay for your room and board and are managed by your pseudo-boss who make millions of dollars while you’re barred from getting any sort of job that doesn’t receive pre-approval from a governing body that negotiates billion dollar contracts that capitalize on your likeness and performance without permission.
    Classic.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Yeah, I feel you.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I think that people just want to see good old high level American basketball by people who actually act like they love the game.
    And play it despite its inadequacies.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    AllenP, the reason why I’m “geeked” about CB is it’s the only form of high level basketball being played this year and not to mention one of the most exciting seasons in recent memory.
    I’m with you on the NCAA and schools making billions on the back of the players without them seeing a cent but I have no choice but to watch.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/video/jordan50pointgames nbk

    Right Allen. Ignorance is bliss – Complain about the business structure of the league while thanking our creator because there is still NCAA. awesome

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Philo, so are you saying that NBA players don’t love the game? Come on son, don’t let the media and fans fool you into thinking that those guys don’t eat, breathe and sleep basketball. You don’t make it and excel in the big leagues without dedication and love of the game.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    Click my name, too see Kobe Bryant’s opinion of the lockout & how he’s taking advantage of his also his Role in “Space Jam 2″

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTTaylor
    I understand what you’re saying. But, I can’t watch the NCAA. The combination of less entertaining basketball and the parasitic power structure just turn me off. But, I don’t really watch the NFL anymore either because of the power dynamic and the violence involved.
    I feel like I’m co-signing something bad.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    JT21:
    I feel you. I really do.
    But, people always lament about how they “love” the game so much. Many times, some of the actions of many people would make one desire to argue that many people do not love the game.
    That’s all I’m saying.
    Like, guys quitting in a Playoff game.
    Or, a guy refusing to check into a game, for whatever reason.
    Things like that.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @nbk:
    That is some hellified funny sh1t! lol

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I love my wife.
    I still do things that piss her off.
    I love my God.
    I still sin.
    You can love something and make poor decisions. That’s human behavior.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    I got my money, I flew here in a helicopter. Lockout!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Philo, fair points but you can’t use small sample sizes like failing to check into a game or supposedly qutting during a playoff game as to why guys don’t love the game. For example, I claim to love the game but in reality, I don’t. If I loved the game, I would have been up at 5 in the during running, training and working on my game instead of sleep during HS. I would have gone to the gym at night instead of hitting the clubs and partying during my younger days if I loved the game.
    Nobody forced these guys to go the gym everyday to work on their game, they did it while their peers were partying up and having fun because of their love of the game.

  • ionmic

    So if the NBA is responsible for making Lebron James famous at what age was he first on the cover of sports illustrated???

  • Heals

    The players should have taken a play out of the old school playbook and boycotted the all-star game or the playoffs until the owners decided to bargain in good faith. I understand it would’ve been a tremendous PR hit for them and their union, but those moments marked the only time when they had the most leverage in negotiations. I had heard the idea brought up before (maybe JWhitlock) and as I said Tommy Heinson and other prominent players did the same thing back in day (someone with real hoops knowledge help me out on this one) before an all-star game. Sounds crazy but when you have leverage you must use it, and boycotting in season may have been the players best opportunity to maintain their status quo…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    *5 in the morning*

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Allenp:
    It can be argued that if your wife truly loved YOU, she would cease to be p!ssed at anything that you may, or may not do…
    @JT21:
    Interesting points, which leads me to this conclusion;
    Some people love the game more than others.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That’s crap Philo.
    Love does not mean turning a blind eye to actions. Even God doesn’t love you that much.
    @Heals
    It was back in the 60s. Bill Russell, Oscar Robinson, Elgin Baylor and others were in the locker room at the All-Star game and threatened to stay in there unless the owners gave them a deal about retirement, or something I think. It’s in Robertson and Russell’s autobiographies.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Philo, agree. It’s the same thing even for cats in the L, some of them love the game more than others. Paul Pierce loves the game more than Darius Miles, JKidd loves the game more than BDiddy, KG loves the game more than, hold up take that back, everybody loves the game more than Eddy Curry.
    Most players love the game, it’s just that there’s certain levels of love going on.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Allenp:
    Arguable…
    Your wife knows you, right? You know each other. She knows your tendencies, habits, etc. So, she STILL gets p!ssed at you? What, do you come up with something new that makes her agitated?
    Now, God doesn’t love humanity that much?
    I thought that God’s love is uncompromising, and unconditional. Beyond our ability to comprehend.
    He loved us so, that He sent His Son to save humanity, no?

  • http://www.specialolympics.org/ Felix

    Thank You AllenP for chatting in the comments with the fans (I know you are a fan as well as a professional writer- I guess that sounds weird). I read a lot of these post and comments (and I make some stupid comments on here also)… but I co-sign basically every post you’ve put on this thread…so yeah… htf are people siding with the owners?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Philo
    Just because you know someone doesn’t mean you don’t get angry with them. Parents love children, they still get upset with them when they do certain things. I’m not sure why this concept is difficult to understand.
    Love does not mean the absence of anger, it means the presence of forgiveness.
    Felix
    I’m just a fan. I write for a living, but not about sports.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    He is the Philosopher. He understands the concept, but he also must make you think about it. Or try too atleast.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Allen:
    What concept is difficult to understand? I’m just trying to pick your brain at the end of the day.
    Please excuse me.
    And, the parent/child reference is entirely different than what we are talking about…
    And, I know people who have been married for a many a year who have never gotten angry with each other.
    Never.
    That’s what they say, anyway.
    But I believe them.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’ve never met a single married couple who has never been mad at each other. Not a single one. In fact, I would bet my home, my cars and all the money in my bank account that if we polled 1,000 married couples, every single one of them would admit to getting mad with each other at some point in their marriage or relationship.
    Basically, loving someone doesn’t not mean you don’t get mad at them.
    That’s whether you’re talking about Eros love, Philo love, or Agape love. That’s my point.

  • http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ec61f8a82f/kobe-bryant-on-the-nba-lockout?rel=by_user nbk

    I don’t get mad at my lady no more. I used too, but now just disappointed or frustrated, never mad though. Although she still gets plenty mad at me, on the reg. But just saying, i can see how people can be together without actually getting angry at or arguing with the other after enough time together.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Philo love?
    If you only knew…
    That’s cool, because actually, the women I’m with, (who I’ve been with for many years) we don’t get into arguments. We don’t get angry with each other. We have a very good understanding of each other, and our love AND respect for each other runs deep. Deeper than one can imagine…
    Anyways, as far as you not knowing a single couple who has not been mad at each other, you must not have been around as much as I have. (maybe you have, I don’t know this) Because, they exist, and they are mostly older couples who have been together for a half-century.
    Assuredly, if you were to bet all of that on who has or has not been mad at each other as couples, then I can see clearly why your wife gets p!ssed at you. That is a bad bet.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Did I stumble into the Oprah site’s forum?
    I thought this was SLAMOnline?
    Just kidding, gents.
    Carry on….

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    When people KNOW each other, and I really mean “know” each other…
    It can take years, depending on one’s ability to listen, look, and learn.
    Some couples never get it.
    And, that is why so many couples DO get angry with each other.
    But, trust AND believe, there are couples in the very United States who have been married for many years who have never engaged in arguments, or have became “mad” at each other.
    I’ll be honest, it even took me a while to find that perfect (2) match (es). And I’m lucky.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ya’ll gitten Philoed!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Wait……Women, not woman? You are with women Philo??

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    NBK, that video is rediculously funny. Can’t stop laughing… Kobe Face!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LakeShow:
    Yes.

  • http://www.nba.com/blazers/ vanillagorilla

    Jesus, this is painful and pathetic. The league is in drastic need of some drastic overhaul to increase parity and league wide accountability. I understand the need to restructure player salaries but for F?ck’s sake be reasonable. First things first, YOU ARE NOT THE NFL!. You do not have a completely monopolized product that will draw fans no matter what happens within your walls. Take a step in the right direction with partially guaranteed contracts, more and more performance incentives built into the contracts with lower base salary, shorten the max by a year or 2. 15-20% cuts on salary across the board. If they can develop a way to come up with complete profit sharing and restructure the draft or something similar to drastically improve parity in the league things would be fine. Teams that perpetually lose will never make money, pretty simple.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Haha i was hopin you’d see that Lake

  • zach

    Also in these United States: Rivers of chocolate that lead to puddles of perfection; the snoz berries that really taste like snoz berries; and last but not least, a spoon full of sugar that helps the medicine go down. All of these things are in addition to the married couples who are never angry with each other. God bless America!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Lol dang I’m learnin’ life lessons from this thread :)

  • http://slamonline.com Flint tha Hustla

    @nbk: That was too funny. Philosopher is winning this debate so far.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Philo, you CAN’T do that…. Common man, no details??!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    “the women I’m with”. Philo, you do know that silverback gorillas are not considered women, right? Nah, just breaking your balls *pause*

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Also, nbk, that vid is freakin’ hilarious

  • http://www.yomamajokes.com LilKDub503

    Their fault…who gives mid-level guys 7 million bones a year? The owners, GMs, and team presidents.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I think Philo just disintegrated into the dust of the earth and blew away after his last post. Classic Philo.

  • JL

    time for a player owned league. who needs an owner. just a GM. the owners trade their own team “stocks” when they buy and sell the teams. they provide the money to run the teams, but really they don’t pay for too much more. If the players can pool together and all become owners of the teams, then maybe that will be a better situation and better for their retirement too. Some sorta distribution and phasing out would need to be figured out, but this is a players only deal.

  • http://cnbc.com DaReal_JTaylor21

    Fake JTaylor get the f*ck off here

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Phantom he’s got a few i believe, i havent seen all of them but they are all on funnyordie

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    WHICH JTAYLOR IS THE REAL JTAYLOR?!?!?! WTH?!?!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LakeShow:
    I’ll tell the truth;
    It is not as salacious as one may think. It is really like a partnership. We all treat each other with the utmost respect. And, I think that is because there is three of us, we have a common ultimate goal, and we genuinely love each other.
    And, these are women in whom I have known since childhood. It is very different. It is almost like a family.
    Can you understand?

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    As a matter of fact, I posted a comment a while ago about how one of my women thought James-tha-Balla was “sexy”, and what not.
    I laughed my ass off when she told me that.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    This thread is funny as heckles….
    —–
    just to catch the newer readers up, this is where we’re up to:

    * JTaylor21has his “jim carrey/me myself and Irene” going strong… I was waiting for this day…
    * Allenp has his written essay on “Love, and it’s ‘original language’ origins in the the time of the NBA lockout” for viewing…
    * someones dating a silver back gorilla
    * blackphantom is learning that someone, somehow you CAN date a silver back gorilla
    * and the point that we all knew was coming to a head; rich people are getting tired of athletic people becoming rich for playing games.

    enjoy.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Man these lockout threads devolve into philosophical (pun intended) discussions in a heartbeat.
    I’m just so starved for high level organised bball on tv, i found myself grinning ear to ear last night when i stumbled upon a preparation tournament for Eurobasket ’11 staged in Slovenia.
    Oh what joy it was to see Macedonia (no big name players but very scrappy) take on the superteam of Serbia in the 6 nations cup.
    Kristic for one looked active and motivated. Milos Teodosic was super arrogant, as usual etc.
    With Nowitzki, Parker, Deng, Diaw, Kristic et al suiting up in a few weeks time, could b a fantastic european championships coming up.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    The women’s game is pretty good. It is evolving.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Dacre, don’t forget:
    *Philo is in an unconventional love relationship with 2 ladies. (cant wait to read the reactions to that one :-)

  • balher

    they’re tired of making players rich?…who are the ones responsible for players like hedo,rashard amoung many others having ridiculous contracts go through and wonder why players who actually produce demand higher salaries.
    U can’t blame players for taking more money who wouldn’t?
    (sigh) the WNBA has never looked so good nowadays…

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I actually like when these thread turn into guys actually talking about personal stuff outside of basketball

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *threads

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    @ Dark – One could be his grandmother and the other his mother… and he could be referencing the LOVE that Allenp has noted: Agape, ‘principled love’ or philia, ‘love for ones family’…. or he could be on some jerry springer messed up sauce….??!?!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Lol @Dacre!

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    For the record, I’ve been married of 6 months now, we haven’t had one argument or gotten angry at each other, some could say we are still in the ‘honeymoon phase’ but really just have our relationship on LOCKDOWN… it’s working. Also we had wedding photos taken inside a basketball stadium (i’m sending them to slamonline soon) when they laid down new floors at the Wollongong SNAKEPIT (home of the Wollongong Hawks of NBL – Australia fame) so there was ALOT of good things already going on in our family life….. and we’re not even American Philosopher!?!?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I bought new STEVE NASH kicks just for the occasion!!?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Your going to love my wedding picks my wife is a hotty… and your going to KNOW I look like an NBA player….

    It’s like Steve Nash and Katy Perry got married up in here…

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Dacre:
    Congratulations, good brother.
    And, although I know that you are not American, I am glad that you said that, for I used the key words “the very United States” for a reason.
    To be frank, many people that I’ve spoken to in my life feel that generally, Americans are at least, an argumentative people.
    As opposed to other countries, whose people are less argumentative, and more laid back. Slower paced. And arguably, more in “tune” with real life.
    In people’s opinion.
    As is such, one could be hard pressed to find an American couple who are as loving to each other, and non-argumentative as you and your wife are towards each other.
    I can see why Allen would truly believe that couples who do not argue or get “mad” at one another don’t exist… out of a thousand.
    He’d be surprised.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Philo I don’t believe it’s unheard of to find an un-argumentative American couple, but from personal experience I almost admittedly find drama or disagreements necessary in a relationship.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Phantom:
    You believe that drama and disagreements are necessary. In certain contexts and situations, they are, I believe. For, that is a process of getting to know one another.
    Also, age, I believe, plays a big role.
    Check this out;
    You have two birds. One young, one old. If one studies closely, one might gather that the younger bird is working feverishly, waving and flapping his wings to stay in the air, and fly.
    The older bird has learned how to coast, and he goes with the natural flow of the wind…
    It is the same with relationships.
    Everyone has their own particular way in communicating with each other.
    And again, it can take years for the ability for the individual, as well as the couples to develop that formula that works for everyone involved.
    Some people show their love towards one another by arguing though, for that is all that they know and understand.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Philo I understand what you mean completely. Weirdly, I’ve been through something of the “two birds” metaphor with a girl before, believe it or not.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    So, you’ve got some experience.
    Get it in…

  • http://Nba.com GP23

    Daammn, how old is everyone on here. I always imagined the regular commenters (if that is a word?) to be in their teens or early 20s. But tonight, all you cats have marriage issues. Anyway, this money thing is getting out of hand, if the CBA was split 50-50, that may ease the pain, and end this lockout.

  • http://www.pineappleloungerecords.com Downunderwonder

    Just an idea…

    At the start of each season, just before the draft, each team is issued a “release” chip. It is valid from that point in time until the trade deadline. It can be traded like a draft pick. And theoretically a team can use as many of these chips as they can trade for.

    Now removing albatross contracts make it easier on the owners (for mistakes can be corrected immediately) and the players group gains job security (as only 30 employees of the league can be fired each season).

    Revenue can be maintained, the majority of players providing “good value for money” wont be disturbed out of their comfortable earnings and we can all move on… just an idea

  • http://www.pineappleloungerecords.com Downunderwonder

    Under that theory posted above owners can get back at least $300mil per year (as a group). Funnily enough the amount of money they say they are losing.

    Jus’ sayin

  • Shem

    The way I look at it is owners are replaceable, top players of the NBA aren’t. You can’t find that anywhere but there are plenty of people who believe they can run a team.

  • John

    Co-sign all those above who stated that owners hold all the leverage, and LMAO at those who think that players going to Europe/China is a credible threat. Sure, guys like D-wade will get their $2 mil/month. The other 95% of the L will find out the true market value of their ability to dribble/shoot a basketball.

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