Thursday, August 25th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  79 responses

NBA Players Union: Owners’ Proposals are ‘Pathetic’


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

NBA players are holding regional meetings with the union to discuss the lockout, and will maybe even meet with owners in a rare bargaining session next week.

But none of that should fool you into believing that any sort of progress is being made in this labor battle.

If anything, the divide between both parties is only growing wider and nastier.

Players union vice president Maurice Evans accuses NBA commissioner David Stern of lying about the facts — including his salary — in a recent podcast, and claims that offers being made by the owners are “pathetic.”

Evans, much like LaMarcus Aldridge, says that players are willing to sit out for as long as it takes to get a fair deal.

From SI:

The owners’ proposal, Evans made clear, will simply never be accepted even if its means losing “this season and more.” … “The deal we’ve been offered would so drastically alter the game as we know it today. The offers have been so pathetic that it’s hard to even talk about it when we’re informing the guys. We’re $7.6 billion apart [over the life of the proposed deal]. Again, when you realize all the components that they’re trying to take away, and trying to take out of the [collective bargaining agreement] that’s already in effect — the guaranteed contracts, grandfathering in [contracts], the [salary-cap] exceptions, Larry Bird [rights]. You and I have already talked about this many times, but [players] are really starting to get it and they’re willing to sit out for as long as necessary to get us a fair deal.”

“The last [players'] offer was [a giveback of] $630 million over a six-year period. That’s over a $100 million a year and they told us that it was pathetic. …If they think that’s what this negotiation is about, then they’re miscalculating. Again, even with the 57 percent of BRI — when you total out the total revenue, we receive 50 percent [in the old system]. We allow them to deduct expenses and deduct things, so when they overpay coaches and fire them and then they have three coaches on payroll that, in effect, goes into BRI. We’ve never told them that they could take that out, even though it’s one of the highest expenses. We don’t want anyone to take a loss, not even the owners. But they seem to be hellbent on contracting [teams] and, as David Stern said, have a huge reset [of the entire system]. If we’re going to reset … then they’re going to have to reset the entire league. And even they’re going to have to take a reset. We’re unified with the agents. We’re getting them back on track, getting the players back on track, so now we just need to get the owners back on track.”

I strongly encourage you to read the entire Q&A with Mo Evans. It’s a detailed, fascinating look at the players’ side of the argument.

Just don’t get your hopes up about a resolution to the impasse anytime soon.

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  • http://www.opposingviews.com/i/nba-breakdown-cba-talk-revenue-sharing-salary-caps-and-lockouts Allenp

    Click my name for a quick and dirty primer that lays out where the two sides started in this debate and where they are now.

  • http://www.opposingviews.com/i/nba-breakdown-cba-talk-revenue-sharing-salary-caps-and-lockouts Allenp

    Manu
    The owners operate a League where you pay them to watch players bounce a ball.
    So, how much money should they be allowed to make? Will you be restricting their profits and establishing a cap on how much they can charge for tickets, parking and concessions? How much they can earn from television deals or merchandise sales?
    No, you will not because this is America and we don’t support plans that cap profits. Except when we’re talking about athletes, then we’re all for it.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Don’t forget that there are about 1,500+ NFL players while there are only about 30+ owners. So that 4.8 billion needs to be split 1,500+ ways while 32 owners get to divide 4.2 billion. It breaks down to each owner getting a huge chunk while most NFL players gets a small slice. NFL owners basically robbed the players in broad daylight and will continue to do so for the next decade.

  • LA Huey

    JTaylor21, Squaresoft has the same practice. They maintained it even during their “dark age” when they were in the red from that awful Final Fantasy movie they produced. They got back into black by improving the process for product they already made, asking Sony to buy some of their shares, and expanding into other revenue streams. And yes, I’m a JRPG nerd.

  • T-Money

    It always makes me laugh how impressed people are by law degrees. Quite fascinating.

  • http://www.opposingviews.com/i/nba-breakdown-cba-talk-revenue-sharing-salary-caps-and-lockouts Allenp

    And you’re a lawyer. Lol.

  • Josh

    I feel stupid after reading all these comments. I think I’m going to college…..

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    LA Huey, fair enough. I just think that it doesn’t make sense for the NBA, which has a small talent pool to pick from, to be entertaining the idea of expansion. We already have enough teams as it is and in my opinion, it’s about 4 teams too many. Expanding to Europe and adding more teams would dilute the talent level even more.

  • LA Huey

    @JTaylor21, I agree. I think Stern plans on relocating teams to Europe. But maybe it’s the Seattle in me exerting it’s paranoia.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    EBOY CLAIMS TO BE A LAWYER, AND NOBODY IS IMPRESSED BY HIM

  • http://nba.com GP23

    You know, Stern was set on creating a franchise in London by 2015 or something like that. Not relocating one, but creating one, which means there would then be 31 teams in the league.

  • EJ

    The owners are a-holes. Just start offering smaller contracts in the next free agency, no need to put the season on ice cause you give dumbass contracts to scrubs.
    You’d think billionares would know how to handle their money better.

  • JL

    the owners lost me when they said they don’t understand why the players don’t like the proposal of only 7% cut of salary or something.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31668/nba-negotiations-in-a-handy-chart

    see this chart. i dont’ know how good it is but seriously the gap just becomes way wider if the “flex” cap doesn’t ever change.

  • Red

    How can’t the owners find a way around this? Your the owners for CS! Act like it!!

  • http://dskjfl.com Jukai

    I mean…. a law degree isn’t impressive. A law degree from Columbia is ludicrously impressive. David Stern deserves the 20 million, that is pretty crazy.
    I think the players are afraid to give a serious compromise because they’re worried the NBA is going to try and say “well let’s meet in the middle” from the players’ union’s serious compromise and the NBA’s zero compromise. It’s pretty bad. I really hope the players don’t cave.

  • Allenp

    $20 million is a lot of money. Using a popular argument I would bet there are thousands if not millions of people who would do his job for a lot less…
    See how stupid that sounds?

  • Donn

    What i take from all this is that both are sides are being unreasonable.

  • bull22

    the best players in the league are already getting good deals which is fine
    because they want to help their team win. the only players eager to cancel the season next year are those who have no chance of winning a title anytime soon or those sucky players who just want their good times to continue to roll with free paychecks they are not earning. its all about GREED..

  • bull22

    @donn, that has been my sentiments from the beginning, but you got some clowns who love to have their noses up a players rearend and will say otherwise…

  • LA Huey

    ^I don’t see you say anything about owners being greedy in your previous statement.

  • Soulquarian

    As much as I would hate to not have basketball this season, I’m with the players. They need to do whatever it takes to keep the essentials of the old CBA and not cave into the owners. The owners are not losing money by any means and are not negotiating in good faith. They pick on guys like Eddy Curry but ignore the fact that they signed these deals. Teams like Memphis are going to KEEP giving huge deals to guys like Mike Conley just to compete with the LA/NY/CHI markets because owners refuse to revenue share. They cry about the Eddy Curry deal but then why is Lebron James making pennies to the dollar of what he’s really worth? The elite guys bring in so much more money than they get paid that it easily subsidizes the OWNERS’ mistakes on bad contracts.

    David Stern acts nice with his smug smile and deliberate speech, but he is lying to our faces.

  • zach

    Why does bulls22 even bother to comment? He’s a moron.

  • Benjipen

    Nobody deserves 20M

    And im not saying these people deserve less. Im just passionate About THE fact alot of people deserve more

  • SikhWitIt

    AllenP @ 11:00 am got it right. Couldn’t have said it better.

  • tdot

    The argument that “anybody with a law degree” could do Stern’s job is so laughable that I’m not even going to bother going into it. Columbia law is not a joke.

    Also, the “players saved the league” argument doesn’t hold because there is ALWAYS going to be get, transcending players that come along. Its not just the players, its how you market the players and expand the NBA product globally that lead the NBA where it is now and a lot of that is directly a result of the decisions that Stern and his team have made during his reign.

  • tdot

    **there are ALWAYS going to be transcendent players that rise above the rest every decade…its like any other league.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    This is all T-Macs fault.

  • Jones

    Lol, people are only realizing now that Stern is a big fat liar?

    Kings vs Lakers WCF 2002. That is all.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Columbia Law is impressive but really doesn’t have much to do with being the commissioner of a sports league. That being said, Stern is clearly a talented fellow and has taken the NBA to new heights. There have always been talented stars in this league, unique as each individual is, but the marketing and globalization of basketball has only really happened under one commissioner. Saying the Sternbot is expendable to the league is like saying Greg Popovich is expendable to the Spurs.
    Although a lot of credit goes out to Nike and other endorsement agencies too. Despite their corrupt ways…

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