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Wednesday, August 31st, 2011 at 9:25 am  |  131 responses

Pau Gasol Feels He Has Nothing to Prove After Playoff Meltdown


Pau Gasol briefly addressed his (and the Lakers’) shortcomings in the 2011 NBA Playoffs, and feels that it was just one of those years when everything went wrong. But there’s no reason to freak out. From the LA Times: “In the playoffs last spring Gasol and the Lakers were run ragged by Nowitzki’s Dallas Mavericks. The Lakers power forward was also besieged by unsubstantiated rumors of a rift with his girlfriend, and was the subject of finger-pointing by fans disappointed with his play, and a jab to the chest by coach Phil Jackson during the Western Conference semifinal sweep. ‘I do not think there’s anything to prove on my side,’ Gasol said via email when asked if he was eager to put the Lakers’ postseason behind him. ‘Last season we didn’t perform during the playoffs as we were supposed to. . . . You cannot win every year; there are a lot of very good teams in the league.’”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    NOTHING HERE. …

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Why do laker fans hate the bigs that had a hand in 16 chips? They hate Kareem, they hate Shaq and now they hate Gasol, they do know that without those guys, the franchise wouldn’t be known as the greatest franchise in NBA history (along with Bos).

  • marc

    @jtaylor21 that isnt true. I am a lakers fan and i hate none of the players you just stated. I just feel Gasol had a bad series he’s going to be ok. The person i don’t like is bynum just because of his attitude but he is a decent big man that is needed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    ITS OBVIOUS TAYLOR, AT LEAST WITH SHAQ AND GASOL, DOWNPLAYING THOSE GUYS, ESPECIALLY SHAQ, PROPS UP KOBE. AT LEAST, IN THEIR EYES. ITS ALL A PART OF THEIR DISTORTED VIEW. ACCORDING TO THEM, SHAQ WAS JUST A FAT GOOF OFF WHO DIDNT HAVE NEARLY AS MUCH TO DO WITH A THREEPEAT AS KOBE.

  • letsrun

    @JTaylor21 who here in L.A. hates Kareem. The dude has a street named after him that leads into The Forum. Everyone loves him, just not his surly old man attitude. Los Angeles is a BASKETBALL city forever and ever.

  • MikeC.

    The Lakers organization hasn’t shown Kareem the proper respect for what he contributed. Kareem should have had a statue before Magic. Sure, Magic was more of a cultural icon than Kareem, but Kareem won the same amount of rings as Magic and piled up more career accolades. That should matter more. To all fans.

  • MikeC.

    There’s a legit argument to be made that Kareem isn’t just the greatest Laker, but the greatest player in NBA history.

  • http://aol QGallday

    weak statment he gotts2b pissed…u got swept and dallas never put the broom down until they got a title….kb24 gonna get at him for havn no fire…hahahaaa!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    We goin all tha way this year. If theres a season

  • Chip

    “There’s a legit argument to be made that Kareem isn’t just the greatest Laker, but the greatest player in NBA history”

    I’ve hated the Lakers, because they’ve always stood in the way of my Blazers.I’ve hated them because they are usually so damn good.

    I’ve been a fan of KAJ since he was Lew Alcindor. The greatest scoring center of all time. He belongs in any argument as the Greatest of All Time. IMHO

  • Purple Regin

    @ JTaylor21 you seriously need to quit talking out your ass before posting on threads here. Shaq & Kareem are both disliked but not HATED by most Laker fans. Also they both did things during their time with the Lakers that caused Laker fans not to like them. Shaq the way he left LA and went on a rant in Miami for 2 years tossing everyone from Kobe, The Buss family, and the city of LA. Kareem it was known that off the court he was not friendly with the local media and the fans. For years Kareem was known for being a jerk in public who refused to give autographs for fans. That’s the main reason why Kareem now is having such a hard time getting a job as an assitant coach or head coaching job today. Nobody in the NBA wants to hire him because of his attitude. But with that said the Lakers still will give Kareem a statue outside of Staples Center and Shaq will get his jersey retired eventually. And no Shaq does not and will not get his own statue outside of Staples Center.

  • alebaba

    As a Lakers fan, I can say that Kareem is a top 10 all time player. He was dominant, innovative, and pivotal in Lakers success for several championships. That said, he was disliked because of his attitude. He was a selfish person, a know-it-all, and at times a bad teammate. This is why the Lakers were able to acquire him in the first place. No one just trades away Kareem because they think they are getting a better player, it’s because the bucks knew that he was holding the rest of their team back. Pat Riley has commented plenty on Kareem and Magic and it is clear why everyone loved Magic. First off, Magic is clearly the best Laker of all time without dispute. He was great on the court, versatile and also charismatic off the court. That’s a terrible reason to not give a guy a well deserved statue, but sometimes that’s the way it is. I don’t know any Laker fans that dislike our bigs. I’ve heard things about Shaq, but that is because many of us saw 4-5 championships go down the drain when he left. Right now we have two really good centers. Yes, I called Gasol a center. In reality the Lakers still have amazing depth and options with our bigs. Lamar and Pau are great at the 4, but Gasol can also slide to the 5 and allow us to spread the floor without Bynums big body clogging the lane. Likewise, if we want to go big we can have LO at 3. Pau is underrated as a center because everyone concentrates on his deficiencies as he gets bodied up by guys who have 50lbs on him. He’s not going to be a dominate center but he can provide options in our rotation and by reducing Bynums minutes to around 20 a game, and limiting his wear and tear and chance for injury. My hat goes off to that Dallas team because I knew they had a championship caliber squad but I, like most people (including NBA teams), just slept on them.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^He was holding back the team he won a championship with? And was a contender with the next year except for injuries? That is some revisionist history right there.

  • Hed Furst

    Marc… what does his attitude or anything he does outside of play basketball matter to you or anyone matter… do you think it would be cool if people got to see you at work and said yeah hes a decent (enter occupation here) but his jokes arent funny or he is a square… whatever the case may be it doesnt pertain to your work at all… is that cool…?!?!?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant would have 3 rings without Pau Gasol, and none without elite big-men. (that should get um goin – and it’s true)

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Of course its true. How many rings would Mike have with out Scottie?
    Magic without Kareem/Worthy? Larry without Mchale/Dennis Johnson/Chief?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant should have 1 finals MVP.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I wasn’t saying it like Kobe was the top dog, I was saying it like Kobe wouldn’t have rings without those guys like Manu Ginobili wouldn’t have a ring without Tim Duncan.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Thats just your opinion, I thought Kobe should have won it both times. Going back to the article a minute, Pau did play terrible this post season, so he can be criticised and doubted just like all the other stars are if they play bad, despite what their previous accomplishments may be.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    But Kobe is the top dog in comparison to Gasol. Gasol is Kobe’s Ginobilli. Or at least he has been the past 3 years.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Shaq would have 1 Ring with out Kobe, Pau Gasol woud have ZERO Rings with out Kobe. I like this game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Gasol and Bynum are what made the Lakers title contenders. Not Kobe – Bynum goes down the Lakers lose. Pau isn’t on the team the Lakers can’t make it out of the first round. (I’m hella bored at work, I started this on purpose)

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    But with out Kobe Pau and Bynum aren’t winning any thing. I know, I start stuff like that some times too. It isn’t worth it unless you mention Kobe/Bron or Rose, with out those guys you won’t get enough replies to pass the time.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq would have ringSS without Kobe. Shaq would have won rings if he never left Orlando. Shaq shouldn’t be part of this conversation, he’s the best player (“most effective/dominant”) since Michael Jordan retired.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’d take Pau and Bynum over Kobe everyday of every week.

  • shaolin23

    Pau/Bynum without Kobe is still one of the more dominating big men tandems in the league is it not? Odom/Pau/Bynum could make up the scoring deficit on a Kobe-less Lakers team.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    If Pau and Bynum are so good and so dominant and have such an imposing front line then why are the Lakes not contenders ever again? Hmm?

  • Heals

    Whoa, we’re going with “meltdown” for his performance. When I think meltdown I think Bobby Knight tossing chairs, not Pau or KG having relatively poor performances against quality competition…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Bynum went down the Lakers won. Bynum stayled healthy Lakers lost. So confusing logic there nbk. Also, Kobe would have RingSS with out Pau and Shaq…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No they probably couldn’t make up the scoring. But without them there is no way in hell Kobe could make up for what they do defensively, and on the boards. The only way I see a team winning a title with their best player shooting 45% from the field and not being dominant in anything else is if they have big-men who control the boards and protect the basket (which Kobe has had in every season he has ever won a title, compared to guys like Michael Jordan who won titles without elite bigmen you can see that efficiency is the difference)

    -For instance

    *Dominique Wilkins (never played with an Elite Big) Zero Championships, 7 All-NBA Selections – career numbers 24.6PPG 6.7RPG 2.5APG 1.3SPG .6BPG.
    *Kobe Bryant (Most his career with an Elite Big) 5 Championships, 13 All-NBA Selections, 9 All Defense Selections – Career Numbers 25.3PPG 5.3APG 4.1RPG 1.5SPG .5BPG

    (Now I’m not saying Dominique is as good as Kobe or even in the same section of all-time greats, but Kobe’s “greatness” is over exaggeratted to the fullest.)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow the whole concept of players getting older is completely lost on you isn’t it? Bynum and Pau can be better then Kobe and the Lakers still not have a chance at a title. Just like Marcin Gortat is better then Robin Lopez but the Suns won’t make the playoffs. Just like LeBron James, Chris Bosh, & Dwyane Wade are the best group of 3 players in the league and they still didn’t win a title. Just like Manu, TP, and TD being together and not having a shot at a title, even though they have won 3 together in the past.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and Bynum played in both championship runs, and didn’t play in the finals the year they lost. you can put this together, an idiot can put this together.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Well duh dude. Kobe’s not a F/C, he’s not going to protect the paint. He still rebounds better than 90% of guards though. No it’s not over exaggeratted, The reason Pau and Shaq were able to be so effective is because of Kobe. They had/have one of the best shooting, slashing, playmaking, scorers in history. Pau and Shaq get space on the post because you have to make sure Kobe isn’t open cause he’ll kill you. Everyone likes to act like Shaq and Pau make up for all of Kobe’s down falls. No. They work together well. Kobe works well with a big body to move people for him and to swing the ball to on pick and roll. Where is Pau with out Kobe buddy tell me? In memphis stacking chips? common please man. Teams with Kobe on them don’t win despite KB being on the team, they win because he’s on the team. Quit acting like Kobe is a negative, cause you sound foolish.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Define, “Played” lol. Bynum may have been there, but 10 mins from a hobbling center isn’t why they won. Common a nin-com-poop could put that together ;)

  • http://slamonline.com Neitel

    excuses! excuses! THE LAKERS SHOULD HAVE SWEPT THE MAVS. PERIOD.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Pau has been the same player since he entered the league. infact his best individual seasons were in Memphis. And Shaq made the finals before Kobe, and won a title after Kobe. IDK WTH your talking about “the reason Pau and Shaq were able to be so effective” – he didn’t help or change anything.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Bynum played 18.8MPG against Orlando – and 25MPG against Boston in their championship seasons. More then half the game in one instance, and the Orlando series was Kobe’s series.

  • shaolin23

    @Lakeshow – if teams win because, “they win because he’s on the team,” then why weren’t those few years under Rudy T. a success? If he’s so deadly creating space for bigs with the pick-n-roll, why is it that in the 06-07 season Kwame Brown/Bynum only averaged less than 6 field goal attempts per game? Isn’t a truly “great” player one who is able to make those around him better? I know Kwame is a laughingstock with no offensive repertoire to speak of, but surely any big playing alongside Kobe would be wide open enough for easy buckets.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rudy T was there for like half a season, and they had a winning record under him. (I think they went like 24-19 or 25-20 under Tomjanovich)

  • shaolin23

    @nbk – I guess I should have defined success as “Championship seasons.” But yeah, my bad for not doing my research.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Frank Hamblen took over for him and the Lakers only won like 10 games the rest of the season. (Something that Kobe gets overlooked for, especially by those Laker fans that don’t like giving credit to Phil Jackson, namely the morons that like comparing Kobe to Michael, like its not clear that coaching Michael first gave Phil a huge advantage when it came to coaching Kobe to go along with all the other things like on-court production that Michael Jordan dwarfs Kobe in)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Conversation is over you. You just said Kobe didn’t help or change anything. A blatently stupid statement not meritable with a response. BTW Your favorite all important Laker Bynum’s stats in his pivitol role in the championship runs: PPG:7 RBPG:5 BLKSPG:1…… dam. For a Stats dude i’m surprise how much you love those digits. Should Bynum have been the Finals MVP iyo?

  • Alekesam

    LakeShow: Bynum went down, we lost to the Celtics in 08. Bynum healthy, we beat them in 10.

    To nbk, um Jordan had that Rodman guy who, y’know, was the best rebounder, possibly ever, in the game? He was the smallest big alive. lol. Dude pulled down 15-17 rebounds a game for six straight seasons at 6’6″! Not to mention, how their team was set up, they didn’t really need a dominant center, just a servicable one.

    The truth is, no one wins a ring on their own, not Jordan (definetly not Jordan), not Kobe, not Shaq, not Magic, not Hakeem, not Bird, not Tim Duncan, and not Wade (tho’ since he almost beat the Mavs single-handedly in 06, he damn near came close), not anyone. HOWEVER…had it not been for those guys, the teams they played for would be short quite a few rings because the guys they played with couldn’t get it done without them. Pippen’s success without Jordan? Zero rings (skillz points to him for making it to the east coast finals tho’). Gasol,Bynum and Lamar, as good as they are, don’t make three finals appearances, winning two of them, on their own. Same with Manu/Parker and same with pretty much every other multiple ring winning teams because they are just that…teams, a group of people collected for maximum efficiency. But usually teams are built around one player, even if the second one is close to that players ability, it’s that one player that puts the team over the top.

    And that’s where your Jordans, Kobes, Magics, Hakeems, Tim Duncans of the world come in because they have that drive and extra something to get it done where no one else could.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Use a fact to support your smug arrogance, how has Kobe improved anything in Shaq and Gasol’s career other then being their teammate when they won rings? – and Bynum protects the rim and helps with Pau to force teams into shooting an increased amount of shots away from The rim. But he was not more important then Kobe as an individual I never said that. And Pau should have been finals mvp against boston.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    I realize everything about the Bulls and who was on the team and how/why they won. And nobody is saying anyone wins alone. I’m bored so i started a conversation that I knew would get responses.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Alekesam, your a smart guy. Or at least just don’t have hater glasses on. Theres a point of success a person can reach when people start talking about how great they are on the regular, some folks like to start diminish their achievments. They go from not getting enough credit(“Shaq is the only reason Kobe’s concidered great type people”) to getting a little to much credit(“Kobe’s better than Jordan” type people)to people taking away all credit that he earned and deserves.(“Kobe sucks and brings his teammates down and they all won despite all his negatives” type people.) nbk, admit you were wrong about Kobe having zero effect on the ability of Pau Gasol and Shaq being able to win Championships and we can continue a discussion. I for one think of a finals MVP as the one guy who was consistent through all the series and played the most important role in all the playoffs so if you are talking about The NBA Finals most important player, I would understand Pau Gasol getting the nod. But IMO Finals MVP is Playoffs MVP. If i’m wrong i’m wrong, but I think it’s silly to give an award for 1 series when you wouldn’t be in that series without the other ones.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Lakeshow i like what you said “finals MVP is playoff MVP” i wish that were true. But Dwyane Wade, & Tony Parker prove that otherwise

  • Lakersfan143

    Pau didn’t even “play” in the playoffs. He was on the court, but, he did NOT give any effort or give it 100%. Did anyone watch him? It doesn’t seem like anyone plays basketball with all these off-subject comments. He was very slow and did not look interested at all. He hurt the Lakers this past playoffs. He didn’t play any defense on Dirk and let everyone out-hustle and out-rebound against him. He didn’t want to defend the basket either. He didn’t contest lay-ups or short-range jumpers near the paint. He was a big disgrace to the Lakers organization. You could easily tell that his body language For him to say that they were better teams out there is just a cop out to give your very best.

  • Alekesam

    The hell? Smug arrogance? My points must be getting to you if you’re going there. But anyways, talking basketball…I didn’t say Bynum and Gasol was useless (in fact I defended both Bynum and Gasol and gave credit where credit was due in my post previous to this one) but I did say that Kobe puts the team over the top and it’s true. You honestly think with no Kobe, LO/Bynum/Gasol makes three finals and wins two of them? As constructed during the playoffs? And no adding anyone else to the roster because “well if they didn’t have Kobe they’d have another player”. Yeah, I didn’t think so. LO didn’t win when he was in Miami with Wade and Pau didn’t win one back with the Grizzlies, tho’ that’s slightly more understandable. But as I said before, it’s dumb to get into this line of thinking because every great needs help because they don’t do it by themselves. BUT, those greats is the one that drives the bus to victory.

    Oh wait, I just re-read your post. One more thing I need to address. Bynum protects the rim, not Pau. Pau doesn’t play defense except when he’s pushed to. Pau literally thinks he doesn’t need to play D, which was unfortunately reinforced by the coaching staff by designating Gasol be more offensive minded and Bynum be more defensive minded, despite the fact that Bynum could go off on people who are guarding him but the staff tells him no, which is bad advice. You have an advantage, exploit it. Meanwhile, Gasol (who doesn’t make D a priority, gets even lazier on D because they’re not pushing him to do so–except of course when it’s too late and bad habits have set in while they’re getting swept by the Mavs, hence the vitriol Phil was spitting at him in those games). People started wising up to the fact that Gasol wasn’t good on D and attacked the rim whenever Bynum wasn’t in the game.

    And finally, Gasol saying he has nothing to prove just reinforces that we need to ship his butt out of here. I mean, I thank him for helping get the rings but if he’s going to be a wet noodle for the rest of his career, then he needs to go. Because as bad as he got it last year, he’s only going to get more of the same this year and I’d rather ship while we can still get something for him than keep him and see him tank another season with more excuses.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    shaolin23: kinda hard for me to take you serious when your tellin me Kobe shoulda made Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and Brian Cook better. They had their best seasons with Kobe for the most part. And they were all garbage. Absolute garbage. Like, makes Mo Gotti, Andy V, Big Z, and antawn Jamison look like an Super-All Star Squad typa garbage. nbk, correct they are, but Kobe scored 200 points in the Finals. 70 more than any other player. He also had 15 steals by far the most of any player. He had the 2nd most rebounds out of everyone in the series. Thats right he had more than NBA, FHOF, one of its best rebounders Kevin Garnett. He had 17 more rebounds than KG in the series. He did all that in less mins than Pau. I know he had some bad stats to, but i’m presenting a side that maybe you don’t see. Was his FG% bad? Yes, Awful. Was everything else Elite? Yes. So basically you are holding FG% against Kobe and ignoring all the other positives.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    He was talking to me with the Smug/Arrogance stuff Alekesam lol…

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    You realy think the smug arrogance comment was directed at you? You think i read your comment and typed that whole comment in under 2 minutes? Please try and pay attention. And you jumping in halfway through makes your ability to comprehend the conversation pretty minimal. I know damn well the Lakers would not win anything without Kobe, I also know damn well Kobe wouldnt win anything without Pau or Bynum. And your comment supplied nothing, which is why my (actual) response at 3:15 says what it says.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Lakeshow I feel Gasol should have been finals MVP is because he was the best player in wins. I dont care how good Kobe was in a losing effort. Only once ever has a guy gotten finals MvP while losing the series, so I dont see why a guy shouls get credit for games his teams lose. Other then that I totally get why Kobe got the award.

  • Alekesam

    LakeShow: Thanks. I try to be fair and balanced and realize that even my favorites can’t walk on water. lol. Yeah, I don’t get the deifying of players and/or diminishing the players at the expense of others either. It’s one thing to have a player that’s ridiculously skilled, it’s far and away another thing when it’s gets to “X player never performed horribly in the playoffs, x player was this and that and never would’ve let his team lose, x player would’ve won/has won without y player because he was on God mode the whole time”…lol.

  • http://therurbangriot.com The NUPE

    It’s funny how people try to give/take away credit from great players on a team sport, but giving or taking away credit from the teammates. Shaq, Pau, Bynum, LO all benefit(ed) from Kobe being on the court. Kobe also benefited from his bigs. Shaq was by far the most dominant of all the guys mentioned and his presence on the court alone was the primary focus of all defenses and therefore made Kobe’s job a lot easier. Pau/Bynum/Lo combined don’t add up to Shaq’s presence which allows teams to focus more on Kobe than they were able to previously with Shaq on the floor, but because they focused on Kobe more it opened up the game for Pau/Bynum to do more. IMO, only two players have ever single-handedly took a team to the finals by themselves. That’s AI and LeBron. Neither of these guys had any supporting cast to take any pressure off of them. It would be interesting to see what would have happened to the lakers without Kobe but + AI/LBJ. Maybe they would have won the championship or went further in the playoffs – maybe not. But bottom line, Kobe deserves a lot of credit for being the best player on the best team during the last two lakers championships. To say he didn’t help or get help from his teammates is just not true. To state he’s the greatest of all time, isn’t prudent/proven but there are arguments to make.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    For the entirety of the series KB did more for his team than anyone else on either team. IMO it’s a tie for Finals MVP for them. I know your not allowed to do that, by why not if they were both equally important. KB scored 10 ppg more than Pau. And you know how highly scoring is regarded in the NBA so I see why they gave it to Kobe. He did it on 7% less efficiency then Pau, but was obviously more aggressive. I prefer the player who is trying the hardest to win to get the indivisual accolades. I would not have been upset if Pau got the Finals MVP, but I did feel that Kobe deserved it more. He wanted it more. Kobe was great on D in the series and Pau was just ‘okay’. I think Kobe played a larger part in making the Lakers win the series than Pau. Slightly.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    LOL, same Alekesam, I don’t say that Magic doesn’t deserve rings because of KAJ being on his team or try to discount Mike, or say Bird needed all those All Stars. No they were all great legends lets give them the credit they are due.

  • Alekesam

    ALso, there should be one MVP award, or if there’s going to be two then make the decision later in the season, maybe award it in between the conference finals and finals. There’s been far too many times a MVP award is given only to have that player be booted out of the second round (Rose, Lebron, Nash, Kobe).

    There should be one MVP award and the post season should count and have it awarded when they normally would award the Finals MVP award.

    nbk: First of all, I could type that comment in two minutes. But I’ll man up and admit I was wrong. I saw the comment under mine so I thought it was directed at me. My bad. lol.

    Second of all, there’s no such thing as “jumping into a conversation” on an OPEN FORUM. And despite what you say, I did read a good chunk of the previous posts to get a feel for what everyone’s talking about. That’s why my post was exactly on point. Jus’ sayin.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    YAWN!!
    I don’t know what it is about Lakers posts, but they always make for some boring comments and debates. lol
    Y’all carry on, though.

  • Alekesam

    LakeShow: Yeah, that’s a percentage of my determining factor on a players ability, far higher than stats. I give a lot of love to players who are aggressive and want to win badly. Some players have ridiculous stats but don’t have that fire to win it all. I like those players that’s just going to try anything they can to pull out the W. So the Kobe edging out Gasol slightly for the Finals MVP award makes a lot of sense in that context.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Enig, shut up, your always bored when it ain’t about Chi Town or Rap lol. JP buddee. I’m down for some D-Rose debating! I side with you on most of that though. So not allot sparks will fly when we both agree DR is the 2nd best player playing the PG position.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I feel you about the finals MVP thing Lakeshow. And i’m not saying Kobe isn’t an all-time great, top 15 ever player, just that he is overrated, and I knew I’d be entertained by saying it. — And Alekesam, jumping into a conversation is jumping into a conversation, I don’t care that you did, but you did. If I was talking to Lakeshow in public, at the Zoo and you walked by and started talking it would be the same thing. — And your point was, correct me if I’m wrong, Jordan had someone guarding bigs just like Kobe has had in LA, and nobody wins on their own right? And yes you could respond in 2 minutes, if your pressing reload every second to see the latest comment, but i’m not doing that, and I highly doubt anyone else is either.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would add Hakeem the year he first one a championship and Jason Kidd when he had Kenyon and Jefferson. LeBron had less talent than everybody, Hakeem and Iverson were tired, then Kidd.

  • Rainman

    @ nbk, i agreed with some of wehat u said, right about till u said the Suns wouldnt make the playoffs. Dont get the Suns fan going son!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Alekesam the reason that I said your comment didn’t add anything is because you totally missed the concept of what Protecting the rim means, or you clearly don’t understand the reason the Bulls defense was the best around at the time, because the defenses are polar opposites. And we all know nobody wins anything on their own

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rainman, I live in Phoenix homie, we ain’t making the playoffs as currently constructed…sorry my dood

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Naw, seriosuly Lake, I don’t know what it is, but Lakers posts only get interesting when like, a LeBron jock-rider shows up and says “F the Lakers!” or something like that.
    lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M88NkqIvdc4 nbk

    click my name. — appreciate the dream shake – nba2k12

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M88NkqIvdc4 nbk

    oh and they absolutely nailed Derrick Rose’s jumper. nailed it

  • http://www.acb.com A l a n

    Pau dropped 29 today at the first game of the Eurobasket and looks smooth. Even a 3 pointer. Next season he will be ready, Kobe and World Peace too.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Damnit. Can’t watch YouTube at work.
    When are they gonna have the damn demo available for download???

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M88NkqIvdc4 nbk

    2k releases their demo a week before the game usually

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Dam, NBK, game looks off the charts good. They have some of those moves nailed to a T. Can’t wait to cop it. A L A N, Yes ma man, Lakers will be back to show all the doubters! I hope Peace drops a few LBS. Kobe’s surgery should have him steady to last year or a little better. Pau won’t have a gaping, hairy, disgusting vag. Hopefully we get a PG or Steve Blake shows up this year.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M88NkqIvdc4 nbk

    sh*ts gonna be hard. I just wish they woulda found a way to get Charles in the game, even though he was demanding MJ, Magic and Larry treatment.

    – But I can’t wait for a few things
    -The Signature move-set of
    Isiah Thomas
    Tim Hardaway
    Pete Maravich
    Hakeem Olajuwan
    Penny Hardaway

    -And Contract negotiations and all the other stuff they added to myplayer

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’ma put Hakeem on a current squad, any squad really, just so he can Dream Shake the hell outta these wack centers the league is permeated with nowadays.
    Imagine Dwight trying to guard Hakeem in his prime? LOL the league might demand those DPOYs back from D12 after watching that exchange.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The funniest statement of the entire thread has to be “the reason Pau and Shaq were able to be so effective is because of Kobe”. ¿Qué
    PGasol, you know the same guy that shot 52% as a rookie and Shaq, the same guy that shot 60% (yes, your eyes aren’t fooling you) in his second season.
    Don’t mind me though, carry on with yet another useless “Kobe/Shaq” debate.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    You hear that, Lake?
    JTaylor said “F the Lakers!”
    Ha!
    Sorry, y’all, I’m in instigator mode right now…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enimagtic, what I meant to say was “F the Bull-sh*t” *wink* *wink*

  • Alekesam

    nbk: Except being online isn’t the same as being in the park, street wherever. Yeah if I walked up on you and someone else talking anywhere, then yeah, it’s like WTF am I doing there. But since you’re on a message board that you don’t own, that means I can say/contribute whatever I want to say in regards to whats being talked about. If you’re bothered by my input/opinion then go somewhere else where you can dictate who and who doesn’t talk.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Children, children! knock it off. JTaylor I know you are a umm… a disliker of kobe and all, but heres what that obviously means. If Smush Parker and Anothony Parker are in the back court for a team with Shaq or Pau on the post, do you think that they (Shaq/Pau) will be more successful with that back court or less successfull? Does 1+1=2? Is Mj as effective with out Rodman and Pippen? Is Kareem w/o Magic? Is the earth round?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    **Enigmatic the Unfuc`kwitable Instigator**

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You can say whatever you want, and I don’t care that you commented. But you jumped in a conversation (conversation have nothing to do with where they take place, its a not very nice adjective to describe you assuming conversations can’t take place in a public forum on the internet) and said something that showed that you clearly didn’t understand the conversation or subjects of the conversation. If your bothered by my criticism of your comment and inability to grasp the concept of a conversation then go say something on a children’s website where your lack of reading comprehension is more likely to be accepted.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nah, you ain’t dragging me into this, JTaylor.
    This is between Kobe lovers and LeBron lovers….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    whoa whoa matic, I love no-one, and I started this thing.

  • Alekesam

    You cared enough to comment on it so please, before you break your back from all the flip flopping you’re doing, just drop it. And no, I’m not bothered by your criticism of my comment as it’s your opinion. But I did want to set the record straight that what I did wasn’t jumping in because you don’t own this thread. Because that is what you’re saying…that you two were talking and since it was you two, I shouldn’t say anything, which again, is ridiculous. You want a private conversation, PM somebody or take it elsewhere. Otherwise, I can comment just as well as anyone else. I already acknowledged I was wrong about the smug/arrogance comment so if that’s what you’re talking about, grow up. Otherwise, no one else seemed to think I misunderstood the conversation except you. So again, let’s just move and be grown ups. If you bring this up again, it’ll just prove you’re being childish. Just walk away.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Pau Gasol better step up this year and not punk out again. I still say trade Pau or Bynum for Howard or work out a trade with Timberwolves. Give Pau and a 1st round pick for Kevin Love or Lakers trade back for his brother Marc. Pau is so overrated, he is on my Lakers, but I hate his game. BOOK IT!!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Soop, you’re just beefing for the love of beefing at this point, aren’t you? Ha

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Soop – I was referring to the JTaylor/LakeShow mini-exchange.
    Geez, why don’t you go log onto Nickjr.com and comment on their message boards, where your lack of reading comprehension will be better suited?
    Ha, nah, I’m just f*cking with you, fam.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yes I am matic. Except with this Alekesam person, who can’t f*cking read. Dood I don’t give a F*CK that you responded. You can say something to every comment I ever comment on here, but I’m not going to act like what you say is intelligent, or relevant. When it isn’t i’ll let you know, Just like I did. And I tried to be polite about it, with my 3:15 comment letting you know, but when you keep going on and on I’ma keep letting you know your an idiot. So once again, I do not care that you jumped into the conversation, I don’t care that you can’t read very well, and I don’t care that I had to let you know that your can’t read very well, doesn’t matter to me if you keep going on and on or drop from this website for the rest of the internet. Understand?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I knew what you were really referring too, just as the person who was initially in the argument with the afformentioned “Kobe Lover” I felt included in your generalization and also I am bored as phuck….

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobe will go down as being a top 7 or higher player when is career is over. Magic has said it and others. Kobe is the second best 2 guard ever and will be top 5 in All Time scoring, #1 in All Time Playoff scoring, already is all time Laker scorer, has 5 rings, 1 MVP, 2 Finals MVP and is the second greastest offensive scorer ever in the NBA behind Wilt. Kobe has had a string of 50 point games, outscored a team in 3 qtrs, scored 81 points and has a cool nick name Black Mamba. All the Haters saying Kobe is overrated, should say the same thing about every player ever. I can nitpick who MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Bill Russell played with. Kobe is gunning for 6 rings and will get it. So then Haters will try a way to act like he is Vince Carter or Tracy McGrady. Its a reason Kobe has outlasted every player compared to him. BOOK IT!!!

  • Alekesam

    I hope Gasol doesn’t pull a repeat of last year too. It’d be best for the Lakers to just trade him out of here. I’d prefer to keep Bynum over Gasol (so long as he can stay healthy) simply because he won’t fold like Gasol does. Now that it’s out that people can punk Pau, they’re just going to keep coming at him and I can’t see Pau manning up when things get tough. He already doesn’t think he needs to prove anything from last year so if that’s really what’s in his head, then he needs to go.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What was that, Seed?
    All I understood was “Kobe…*SLURP!*…..greatest….*SLURP!*……guard….*SLURP!*……BOOK IT!!!…..*GULP*!”

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lakeshow, you said nothing about Shaq/Gasol being successful with Kobe. What you said was “The reason Pau and Shaq were able to be so effective is because of Kobe”, which implies that Kobe is the only reason why Shaq/Gasol put up efficient seasons. Shaq would’ve dominated even with Harold Minor as his backcourt mate and I’m pretty sure that Gasol won ROY and led the grizz to the playoffs without Kobe.
    So how bout coming up with some actual facts instead of falling back on the same ole “you’re a kobe hater” excuse.

  • Alekesam

    Then why didn’t Shaq get a ring in Orlando when he had Penny? He also didn’t get one with Lebron. He got one with Wade but it’s pretty clear the Heat got that one on Wade’s back, with some help from Shaq and Mourning. Kobe didn’t make Shaq more dominating but it did make it easier for Shaq to do his thing, which is what I think he meant.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Enigmatic
    My fault some cats acting like Kobe has not earned his place in the top 10 or higher of NBA players all time. To act like Kobe has done nothing is ludicrous. Name any other player in History who won titles on a team, went through a rebuilding stage for some years then went on to start another dynasty again with the same team. SLURP again MY fault. BOOK IT!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Then why didn’t Shaq get a ring in Orlando when he had Penny?
    Cause of this dude name Hakeem Olajuwan. And this other dude named Michael Jordan.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Seed – Kobe’s the sh*t. He’s top 10 all-time, no doubt.
    But yo, ease up on the Kobe love, man.
    And really, think about what you typed.
    You’re going on about how great Kobe is and then admit that dude played on some wack teams with bad records.
    LeBron had some horrible teammates in Cleveland but there was no rebuilding until after he left.
    And I don’t even take sides in the never-ending Kobe/LeBron stans’ struggle for world domination, but Team Kobe would have to take an L on that front…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Enig, theres a few times in my life i have laughed from a online post and I let out a belly laugh when I read that. Keep em coming until “I have mental disabilities and love to show it off to the world BOOK IT leaves forever. JTay, Hey you said it not me. I said disliker of Kobe. lol. Yes most effective meaning they were able to take their teams much further because of having such a good running mate. They could not have won and would not have been as effective with a lesser player on their side. FACT.

  • Alekesam

    But he can dominate. Surely no one would be able to stop Shaq? Unless he needed more help than Harold Minor…

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Name another great player in NBA history whose success can be explained as totally dependent on an all star bigmen AND (not or) phil jackson. See it works either way you make a ridiculous generalization and act smart because of it. When in reality those guys would have had little success without Kobe and vice versa and Kobe is more like a top 15′r with at 33 a slight chance to crack the top 10

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Dream coulda, and did, stopped Shaq.
    And don’t call me Shirley.

  • Purple Regin

    NBK- I can’t take any of your posts on here seriously. You are clearly just a KOBE HATER. No if & buts about it. No matter what you will always find some idiotic way to discredit him or nitpick anything about him.

  • Alekesam

    nbk: Completely agree.

    Enig: Yes, he did. And well.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Your right, reading my last post its clear i’m a full on Kobe Bryant hater. Now ima go feed my dog.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lakeshow, just because a guy doesn’t win a championship doesn’t mean they weren’t efficient during that season. Shaq shot 60% from the field in his 2nd season and while he came close with the Lakers (55%-58%), he never topped that mark with Kobe at his side. MJ (sorry NBK) had his most efficient seasons by far while the Bulls were losing year after year to Det. Bron/Wade had their most efficient seasons (scoring wise) without each other and the same can be said about KAJ sans Magic.
    People need to realize that winning a chip isn’t everything, most players including Kobe, had better individual seasons during their non-championship years.

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Taylor O’m fully aware Jordan’s best efficiency (or individual as i said the other day) seasons pre-championships. But his teams also lost more games, and it was an era in basketball where virtually everybody was more productive offensively except in 3pt % – but that is due to the evolution of defense, which wasnt much of a focus in the 80′s. 1990′s Michael Jordan is better then 80′s MJ, its why he is the GOAT. And his efficiency drop is also directly linked to his teams efficiency spike, you know the saying “sacrifice yourself for the good of the team” – same concept. Its quite ridiculous to insinuate Michael Jordans prime came before he won championships.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, come again. Where did this myth about Hakeem magically destroying Shaq in the 95 Finals come from? 22yr old Shaq avg. 28ppg/12.5rpg/6.3apg/2.5bpg on 60% shooting. So unless y’all were watching a different series being played on Mars, Shaq more than held his own vs Hakeem.
    “People tell lies so much that after a while it’s viewed as reality” (taylorism, 2011)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Soop – your b*tch, Kobe?

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Its a male, but yeah, that boy Kobe.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I didn’t say efficient JTaylor, I said effective. Kobe allowed them to win. They allowed Kobe to win. It’s the beauty of the TEAM concept. To me Shaq was most effective in LA. Pau has been most effective in LA. Not efficient. Effective. I have a high regard for winning though.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m sorry JTaylor, did I say Hakeem “destroyed” Shaq?
    Or did I say he STOPPED Shaq?
    As in, stopping him from reaching his goal of winning a title?
    Stats don’t really matter when you fail to win a game in a series, does it?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    But you’re a Kobe hater! Why would you ever name your best friend after him?!?!??!

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Maybe purple regin knows?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Word.
    And what the hell is a “regin”?
    Not sure if he misspelled “reign” or “reagan”, but “Purple Reagan” doesn’t make any sense cause to my knowledge, Bill Clinton was the former prez smoking that sticky icky, not Reagan.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enough with all this “winning a chip is all that matters” BS.
    Want to know what Malone, Stock, Baylor, Barkley, Nique, Miller and Ewing all have in common? O rings and being better than 98% of all the players to ever play in the NBA. Winning a ring doesn’t validate an all-time great’s career, it just reflects a time when a player had the right supporting cast around him.

  • Jeremy

    Nbk aka HENRY ABBOTT

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    ^Spoken like a true LeBron fan!
    Ha! It’s all love, JTaylor.
    I’m out this b*tch for now.
    It’s been real, y’all…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    LeBron retired?

  • http://www.bullls.com Enigmatic

    LeBron won a ring?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmatic likes to sing Johnny Cash “Rose of My Heart”?

  • http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/kobetop10moments nbk

    Maybe he’s from the purple region? Idk what that would be but you never know. Or maybe he got a really bad bruise somewhere random that stayed purple for a long time? Maybe

  • http://www.bullls.com Enigmatic

    Not as much as JTaylor likes to sing Billy Joel’s “James”?
    “James!
    Do you like your life?
    Can you find release?
    And will you ever change?
    When will you write your masterpiece?
    Do what’s good for you
    Or you’re not good for anybody.
    James!”

  • http://www.bullls.com Enigmatic

    “You were so relied upon,
    Everybody knows how hard you tried.
    Hey
    Oh, look at what a job you’ve done,
    Carrying the weight of family pride.
    James!
    You’ve been well behaved, you’ve been working hard
    But will you always stay
    Someone else’s dream of who you are?
    Do what’s good for you
    Or you’re not good for anybody.
    James!”

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • Samco

    TRADE HIM. TRADE HIM NOW.

  • MikeC.

    And at the end of all the blah blah blah, Kareem is still better than them all.

  • http://dfklf.com Jukai

    Wow. How did I miss this gem!!!!
    Kareem > Kobe > Hakeem > Shaq!
    Once Lebron has seven rings and five finals MVPs, he’ll be somewhere around the Kareem range. You know, whenever that happens.

  • http://www.slamonline.com big_ticket

    pau is crazy,,soft

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    This is earlier in the convo, but Rudy T resigned before he could coach a single game that year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No he didn’t. I showed you what his record was.

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