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Wednesday, September 14th, 2011 at 9:45 am  |  207 responses

New Book: Glen Rice Involved With Sarah Palin in 1987


To say that the basketball star and politician were “romantically” linked some 24 years ago would be more than a stretch, but according to a new biography of Sarah Palin, she did once hook up with Glen Rice in the late ’80s. From The National Inquirer in all their sensationalistic glory (via Deadspin): “Publishing sources familiar with the contents of author Joe McGinniss’ highly-anticipated book ‘The Rogue: Searching for the Real Sarah Palin’ have revealed shocking secrets that will impact her decision to enter the 2012 presidential race. In the book, which will be published on September 20th, McGinniss claims Sarah had a steamy interracial hookup with basketball stud Glen Rice less than a year before she eloped with her husband Todd. Sarah hooked up with the NBA great, then a 6-foot-8 junior at the University of Michigan when he was playing in a college basketball tournament in Alaska in 1987, the book says. At the time, Sarah, just out of college, was working as a sports reporter for the Anchorage TV station KTUU. A publishing source told The Enquirer that McGinniss claims Sarah had a ‘fetish’ for black men at the time and he quotes a friend as saying Sarah had ‘hauled (Rice’s) ass down.’ … In the book, McGinniss quotes Rice as confirming the one-night stand.”

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  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The way she constantly hated on Obama, I think she may have had a crush on him.

  • marc

    lmaooooo why is this on slam though. It’s still too funny

  • http://www.slamonline.com McGruff

    Bwahahahaha!

  • RunNGun

    Is this slamonline or is this tmz? lmaO

  • mbex4jp2

    To funny! This story makes the rest of todays news Palin to insignificance.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    BIZARRO WORLD, WE ARE YOUR INHABITANTS.

  • Yerp

    I think she has the black guy vote…black women…not so much…

  • Ali

    Hahaha…this is funny, true or not…

  • Homie

    Cue the Head of State jokes…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Damn you, Glen Rice. You just shattered my dreams of being Palin’s first black guy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com UNFROZEN CAVEMAN LAWYER

    HOW DOES THIS FIT WITH THE ‘GLEN RICE’S WIFE’ LINE????

  • MikeC.

    I was having a crappy day until now. Thank you unintentional comedy.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Bwahahahahaha, this is classic!
    I’ve heard she was into black men back in the days, but this is gold.
    Glen Rice was nailin’ Palin!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Shout out to Anchorage though! Never thought I’d see my adopted hometown mentioned on Slam Online.
    Umm, yay?

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Glen Rice is a lucky dude bangin’ Palin. She is soo hot..

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Plausible.

  • dan

    “interracial”!? what the …? i am not from the usa but funny to see how much of an issue that still seems to be over there. anyone mentioning that if two people of diferent ethnicities have smth going on would be labeled as a racist. over here this is just normal and nothing which should be mentioned aditionaly.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    Her “hotness” is blown way out of proportion.

  • neaorin

    Somehow I feel this news should have surprised me a lot more than it actually did.

  • http://www.laumol.nl/weblog Laumol

    Was this affair with Glen Rice or Condoleezza Rice?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dan, what part of the world are you from, because from what I’ve seen, race is an issue in a lot of places other than the USA.

  • JEr dawg

    Oh man. She’s going to lose voters if this goes on political networks. I’m a sports fan and I don’t give a damn about politics. They are all liars. This IS funny, though. A little scandal is fun.

  • riggs

    her hotness is due to her sexy librarian look. Back in 87 (when she was a reporter) she did look good though, i can’t lie.

  • T-Money

    Allen: I’m Canadian and I ticked when I read “interracial”. It would have never been mentioned in a paper over here. Race is indeed an issue almost everywhere but everything involving people of different races is not necessarily a “race issue” everywhere, nahmean? Race rarely gets mentioned when discussing Mike Vick, Plax, Tebow or Cam Newton in Cda.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, I think the interracial issue got brought up for two reasons here.
    1. America has a very twisted history when it comes to black men and white women. More twisted than certain other countries, not as twisted as some other countries.
    2. Sarah Palin is the rock star of a political movement that has come under fire for racism within its ranks. And, there is probably a sense that if word spread within that movement that she had a fetish for black dudes, well it would be a scandal. So, the book’s author and the Enquirer, both of whom clearly traffic in scandal, are playing that angle up. The race angle is still red meat for many people, not just Americans.
    Everybody is cool about race, until their position starts getting jeopardized.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Go check out that Serena video that’s trending on youtube for all you need to know about racism. Americans love to claim that racism is dead and buried but whenever a black person/athlete does something controversial, it’s comes out. Don’t let the election of a black president fool you, Americans do as good a job as anyone of hiding their racism and prejudice towards other races.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, like Allen said, this is mostly an issue due to Palin backing the Tea Party movement, which has been under constant scrutiny because of what may or may not be racism on their part.
    Plus does anyone remember the old rumor about Palin from back in the ’08 election when Obama won the primary over Clinton, and Palin supposedly commented on it (off the record, amongst close friends) by saying “so, s*mbo beat the b*tch!” (HER supposed words, not mine)
    There has long been speculation that Palin is racist towards blacks. And there has long been speculation that Palin, pre-Todd Palin, had a thing for blacks back in the days too.
    The contradiction there is interesting, and that’s why race plays such importance in this matter. In my opinion.

    @JTaylor – I can’t access YouTube at work, but if you’re talking about her blowing up on that official, Serena was an idiot for acting out like that.
    Just like John McEnroe was an idiot for acting out the way he did back in the days.
    Race ain’t got sh*t to do with it in that case.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Engimatic, I’m not defending her actions. I’m talking about what the majority of the comments are saying, go back and breeze through a couple comments and you’ll see what I’m saying.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, I knew he meant the comments.
    Youtube is a breeding ground for racism in the comments. It’s worse than ESPN. It’s like Stormfront lite.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Oh, yeah, I can only imagine.
    You can imagine the anger I feel anytime anything negative is posted on a news site about anyone of Hispanic heritage, and it’s “sp*c” this and “illegal” that. Even if they’re natural-born US citizens.
    It’s like everyone has balls of steel online because they can hide behind a username.
    Most of them are cowards, I just pay them no mind.
    But you’re right, racism is alive and well here in the States.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    With reference to Serena, there have been a lot of comments made regarding her outbursts and the most common one seems to revolve around her legacy being damaged as a result of these confrontations with tennis officials. To the McEnroe point, that was his MO, pretty much. That’s how he got down. But there had never been talk of his legacy being damaged because of it.
    It was just blown off as him being a hot head. Nothing more. Hell, it was almost celebrated as being “cool” whenever he did snap off.
    Did Serena exercise poor judgment? Certainly. But no more than McEnroe, IMO.
    The “racism” element comes into play with the comments of a damaged legacy. The “white” guy can blow up and it’s all good, but the “black” woman does it and it becomes the absolute worst thing in the world.
    Just my thoughts, and o be fair, I can’t recall McEnroe ever threatening to shove a tennis ball down anyone’s throat. So there’s that.

  • HAMMER

    This is funny. Altho I don’t think it should be posted here on SLAM, but still, funny. And just 4 the record, Palin is pretty sexy. In a smart, sophisticated kinda way.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You mean in a perceived smart and sophisticated type of way. Until she speaks

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Now, I’m too young to really know about McEnroe, but alls I know is whenever I see clips of his outbursts I always think dude was mad stupid for acting like that. I don’t see anything cool about it.
    I wasn’t aware Serena’s legacy was being called in jeopardy cause, frankly, this isn’t the first time she’s done something like this.
    So I just figure people will be heated for a minute, then get over it again.
    But if that’s the case, then the double standards is some bullsh*t.
    @HAMMER- Palin is not “smart and sophisticated”. Sorry.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ya, Tonya Harding got such favorable media coverage. Everyone loved McEnroe! My pa always told me he wanted me to grow up to be like McEnroe. The media always made him look like such a darling. They kept his anger issues completely under wraps.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    All I knew about McEnroe growing up was that he was the tennis player with anger problems. They did a terrible job keeping it under wraps. — Now idk how anyone can believe Serena’s legacy will be damaged by this, it won’t. Just because some journalist who needs readers writes it, doesn’t mean it has any truth.

  • theanticrust

    absolutely not for sports news, this belongs in the political news and all the other affairs and one-nighters should be revealed. Hey politicians should be human. They should do stuff normal people do, but you think they’d be smart enough not to, or to not get caught.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @LakeShow – Tonya Harding was responsible for someone being attacked and harmed PHYSICALLY. Not the same, bro. And McEnroe’s anger issues were never kept under wraps. Ever. It was common knowledge.

  • riggs

    serena’s outburst was overblown, the line keep who she was talking to has a history of being a b*tch to serena.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I think that was LakeShow’s point regarding McEnroe. He was being sarcastic.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @’Matic – I kind of figured that. I almost put it in my comment. Sarcasm doesn’t translate well all the time on here. My bad LakeShow.

  • HAMMER

    @ nbk & Enigmatic. Yeah. There’s that perception of her. Honestly I have no idea. I do not follow politics and I’ve only heard her speak 1 or 2 times. And I don’t even remember what she was talking about. Haha! So….yeah.

  • bike

    Somewhere, Tina Fey is secretly planning for her next SNL Palin impression. Tim Duncan is auditioning for the part of Glen Rice.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The only reason I got a thing for Palin is because the broad was this close to becoming the vice president. How many cats (except for GRice) walking around can claim that they plowed someone in power let alone a vice president?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hammer, I got your back, here “But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies.” –Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck’s radio show, Nov. 24, 2010 When asked about how as President she would avoid investigations similar to the one compelling her resignation as Governor of Alaska she responded, “I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we’ve been charged with and automatically throw them out.” – Department of Law, really?

  • BAWSE

    I wonder if the media is really gonna race with this news! I hope they do b.c i would love to see all the “conservative” white supporters say about their girl. You know since they are so holy!!!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yeah i’m sarcastic probably about 70% of the time so use that as a barometer when you read what I write lol. All I’m saying is athletes that have issues are going to get media coverage. Not because they are black/white/asian/latino etc. You mess up, the media is coming after you. You think Kobe was being followed by media so closely during the colorado times because he was black? Maybe because he is half japanese? Think again. He was one of the most famous athletes on the planet(one of them) thats why he got allot of media coverage. It’s stupid to think that the Williams chick is getting coverage for her bad behavior because she is black. It’s because she has a bad attitude.

  • HAMMER

    R u serious nbk? Unbelievable. Can u imagine Palin and George W. Bush having a convo 2gether? Haha!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^ Have you heard Obama off the teleprompter? Hell, get the 3 of them in a room and there would be nothing but studdering and wrong information being said.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    LakeShow, I take issue with that reasoning because not only is that line of thinking flawed, it’s also fundamentally incorrect… Unless you’re being sarcastic again.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Could you imagine, McCain winning the election, and then suffering a heart attack 12 minutes after he was sworn in, leading to this country being run by Sarah Palin for the last 3 years? lol – that is my nightmare

  • ChipS

    Does this qualify her for a role on Basketball Wives?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Obama may not be the best president in the world, but he isn’t terrible, and he is actively trying to improve our situation. Rather then stalling the economic collapse (Clinton), or ignoring what’s coming all-together (Bush). My issue is with this whole Democrat v Republican v Tea Party, bullsh*t. Why do we have to categorize ourselves, we are supposed to be one united country, not 3 separate sections of people that happen to live in close proximity to one another. Republicans go against Democrats for the sake of being different(or grabbing for power/money), and vice versa, it’s a very flawed system.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    What do you mean Bryan? I take things from a completely race-less point of view. Thats how I see it. Media follows the biggest stars regardless of skin color in my eyes. They go after those with the biggest flaws the most.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Y’all know not all conservatives like or agree with Palin, right?
    I consider myself conservative. Yes, there are a lot of idiots on the right, lots of racists too, but my ideology still points me more towards the right than the left.
    And for one, I don’t like Palin at all.
    And since she’s more Tea Party than traditional Republican nowadays, maybe we should be asking what THEY are gonna think about their girl?
    @BC – it’s a known fact Obama is not the best public speaker sans teleprompter. Dude is sharp as hell though, so I don’t agree that he would be giving out “false information”.
    @Soop – I really wanted McCain to win (more because I liked him than anything against Obama, I was fresh out the military and wanted a Prez who was a vet) , though I kept hearing that concern about him dying in office from being so old. But have you seen his moms? Chick is like 95 and she’s still alive and lucid!
    Plus, if Obama (God forbid) dies, you know Biden isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed either, right?

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @LakeShow, it’s the coverage so much as the way they cover it.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, do you classify yourself as one of those 3? I personally do not. I am not a part of any group. I am a single person with thoughts and ideas that I come up with based upon truths that I see. I will most closely identify myself as a Lebertarian Independent. If you are a part of one of those 3 your part of the problem in my eyes. No offense ;)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And it just occurred to me I thought you were responding to the LakeShow comment right before you posted, not the other one before that, BC.
    My bad.

  • bike

    For reasons I don’t understand, I suddenly now find myself having the most unbelievable hots for Palin. Even though I still think she is an idiot.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    *it’s not the coverage

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Libertarian*

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    LA Huey, How is the Williams chick being covered worse than others?

  • http://gmail.com z

    @ nbk, you’re exactly right! the problem is that the WHOLE ENTIRE SYSTEM is flawed! Obama’s not even a bad president, all things considered, the problem is that at this point there’s a whole beauracracy to making ANY sort of meaningful changes in this country’s way of doing things. To your point about the political problems of the 2party system (with the tea party/modern day fascists suddenly emerging from the shadows), that’s another huge problem! we need a party that’s going to represent the interests of the working class and underclass because right now those are the only demographics that are being left out in the cold by washington dc. I hate to say but what’s needed is…a communist party.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Libriarian?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    There is a communist party. Tons of them, in fact.
    Good look getting Americans to vote a communist politician into office, though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Matic, I realize Biden is a little dim witted, but Palin has never even had the lights on. — Lake, seeing as how I just spoke out against the party structure of our political system, wouldn’t it be hypocritical for me to define myself within one of those groups? I vote for who I feel will best lead the country, I don’t care about the party they represent, other then the policies they believe in.

  • HAMMER

    Yeah. I’ve heard President Obama speak, and I didn’t see or hear him say anything remotely close 2 resembling our last president. Still, 2 this day, I shake my head @ some of the things President Bush said during his tenure.

  • http://gmail.com z

    And for those of us who say that we’re “independants” I feel what you’re saying, bc all the political parties are flawed, and it’s easy to understand that they’re possibly all corrupt after living under the dems/reps for the last couple centuries, but you gotta understand, that if you just stand on your own and don’t mobilize with others who believe as you do, then the tea party extremists will just drag this country further and further to the right…in other words, towards fascism. THEN we’ll REALLY see some racism

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lots of interesting thoughts, and some ridiculous thoughts on here.
    I don’t trust colorblind people. They clearly are invested in a ridiculous reality that blinds them to the facts of the world as it currently exists.
    It’s like not believing in global warming, or the problems with America’s dependence on foreign oil. At a certain point, you have to face facts, and colorblind people don’t seem interested in doing that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And to those of you going on about how hot Palin is, I live literally ten miles away from her, pass by her house every time I go to Wasilla on the Palmer-Wasilla Highway.
    Let me know, I’ll holler at her for y’all. Lol.

  • HAMMER

    Obama is doin a pretty decent job, n my opinion. Considering the way that President Bush left this country, Obama’s not doin that bad. Its gonna take awhile for him to clean up Bush’s mess. For instance, our country losing its AAA status, that traces back 2 Bush. Patience is a virtue.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    I can’t speak on the Serena issue because haven’t followed it enough. However, it’s like this: Whenever the media flashes back to McEnroe it’s always presented in a “Haha. Look at this hothead sort of way”. But when they look at someone like Rasheed Wallace it’s “Look at this a-hole sort of way”. The narrative is different for what’s pretty much the same behavior.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    let me clarify, I feel like the political system has to have some kind of general structure, but it comes to a point. If we had parties that were willing to compromise, then I don’t think I would have much of a problem. But it’s basically a political war within our own country, which IMO takes away from the greater good of the people.

  • HAMMER

    Enigmatic. Tell that ruca I said Q-Vole. Haha!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    YOur first mistake was thinking that politics was about the greater good of the people.
    That’s like thinking the law is about creating justice.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I always find it interesting that people who claim “colorblindness” have this weird notion that the world works in exactly the manner that *they* see it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, I don’t agree with everything Obama’s done/said, but he is not a horrible president the way so many make him out to be.
    The two, now three, parties’ refusal to cooperate on anything really has tied his hands, and I’ll admit it, the Republicans have been the worst at it, acting like a bunch of spoiled kids.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    co-sign BC

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Why would I want to enter your world of thought Allen. A world where everyhting has a race basis. Eww no thanks. I’ll stay invested in a ridiculous reality where color of skin isn’t an issue… I’ll take it. Feel free to not trust me. I would rather not be trusted by a man whom lives in a hole. Hammer, I said with out a teleprompter, not just heard a a speech of his. He does those fine. So does Palin. Z, I like my private property, so no to the communism, nice try though :)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @HAMMER – Sale vale!

  • HAMMER

    Alot of political terms being tossed around here 2day. We got Tea Party’s and Communist Party’s goin on with Libertarians, Democrats and Republicans. Too much for me. Ima tap out.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    My Twitter timeline is almost exclusively dominated by this Palin/Rice thing. Some funny ish being said though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t say politics was about the greater good of the people. I said the current system takes away from the greater good of the people. The people are affected no matter what the reasoning for the system is, and can benefit from that system even if that is not the purpose.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    LakeShow, you’re free to see the world as you see fit. That’s your right. But the problem is you seem to be under the impression that the world as a whole has adopted your skewed view of things and sees them the same way that you do. That’s just not so, even though I wish it were.
    So yes, you’re right, yours is a ridiculous reality because whether you choose to accept it or not, racism is still practiced and still a problem in this country.
    But like I said, you’re free to see the world as you see fit just like others are allowed to see the world from their own perspective as well.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    One of my favorites – “’Drill baby drill’ had a much different meaning for Sarah Palin back in ‘87”

  • LA Huey

    @LakeShow, there’s a difference between being paranoid and aware and ignorant.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Bryan I know man… I know. It just sucks. I have a family that judges no one based upon their skin color, but I have friends that do. I see that it’s out there. It’s just unbelievable to me to think that any sort of a large group of people are true to definition racist. We all have silly thoughts in out minds about stereo types but to act upon or live your life as if those stereo types are a true measure of ones goodness is downright disgusting to me. I think we as a society like to look to the extremist as if they are not extreme. They are extreme for a reason. Common folk don’t agree with them. I don’t think the media is skewed to look for black athletes doing wrong things. I never was told that McEnroe was a good person or that he was flawed. My pops told me he issues that he needed to have taken care of. Media seemed to say the same. I don’t see a biased news going after black athletes like some others on here do. But like we both know I don’t view the world looking for racism. I expect people to not be racist. So yes i’m biased to my point of view. Just like Allen, and yourself and everyone else is to theirs.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmtic, tell her that Big Daddy Longstroke is coming for her.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I don’t speak euphemism La Huey…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    If your implying that I am ignorant, you are wrong. I know racism exsists, but unlike some of you I assume one is not racist before assuming they are. I view things and people differently because i’m expecting better out of them. Yes I get disapointed allot. Some people are garbage, but I prefer to think they aren’t garbage until they prove they are. Thats the difference between my point of view and yours. Ignorant? If you want to call it that sure. I just call it expecting the best out of people. Sure, I have invited strangers to live me and they have robbed me, but I would prefer to be robbed by strangers than not be looking to help out fellow human beings. It might be wack, but it makes the world a whole lot better place to live in imo.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor – Ew. You gonna have to tell her that one yourself, homie!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow did you just say you invited strangers to live inside your home?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People are racists if the do racist things.
    There is no other definition of racists.
    The big problem is deciding what qualifies as racism.
    Colorblind people look for slur, hoods and violence. This ain’t 1960 and that ain’t the norm anymore.
    Bottom line, all it takes is a little digging and a little reading and it will become obvious just how widespread discrimination and racism still are. People who don’t do the reading, and don’t do the digging, are willfully ignorant.
    Willfully ignorant people have always been dangerous and they always will be dangerous.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ignorant means uninformed.
    If you choose to be uninformed, and form opinions based on your lack of information, you are dangerous.
    Some topics I don’t speak on because I’m ignorant about them. I don’t pretend to understand how those issues work, I don’t pretend to be an expert on whether the different arguments have merit. Why? Because I’m ignorant.
    Most ignorant people don’t do that. They prefer to believe that their ignorance represents the way the world really is. That’s why they are dangerous. It’s not just about race, it’s about a lot of things.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I wonder if Sarah Palin could see Russia from on top of Glen Rice?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    In that case, Alfred, fire up the jet. We are taking a trip to the land of polar bears and igloos. In my Redd Foxx voice, “I’m coming, Sarah, I’m coming”

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.
    She said you can see Russia from Alaska.
    Which is true.
    Tina Fey impersonating Sarah Palin said “I can see Russia from my house” and everyone incorrectly credited that to Palin.
    Google a map of Alaska. All those tiny little islands on the left hand side? They’re a part of Alaska, and awfully close to Russia.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And JTaylor- polar bears only live in the far, far northern regions of Alaska. Wasilla is in southcentral Alaska.
    And unless you’re homeless, you live in an igloo too.
    “Igloo” is just the Inuit word for “home”.
    People are still mad ignorant when it comes to Alaska, man.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “People are still mad ignorant when it comes to Alaska, man.” Well it is just you and the Palin’s out there. what you expect

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ya, nbk… don’t use it as proof of my stupidity though please. I knew it was “stupid” but I wanted to be stupid.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Way to mess up a good punchline, ‘Matic!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol, it strikes me as nuts. do you have kids? if you don’t mind me asking.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    In Allen P’s world someone who looks for the best in people first is the dangerous person, got it. I’m about as dangerous as they come man! If you were on the street and needed a helping hand, watch out cause some dangerous guy like me is lurking around looking to help ya out. Thats just it Allen, you like to dig around till you find some dirt. I like to wait for the dirt to surface on it’s own. The world is bad enough without trying to find more bad. It’s starting to cramp on my glorious view of this beautiful planet we live on being near you on an internet discussion board Allen. Why try and bring the worse out of everyone? You love it though. Go darken someone elses day now.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No I don’t man. No spouse neither.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok then I have no issue with what you did, I don’t understand the circumstances, and you obviously didn’t put anyone at risk but yourself. I have no judgement on the matter.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Your insistence on believing in a colorblind world has nothing to do with looking out for other people.
    Don’t construct strawmen arguments when dealing with me.
    Proof of the widespread nature of racism is easily available. All you need is a Google search, or the willingness to read some national newspapers on a regular basis.
    Stories about discrimination in housing, loans, credit, education, health care and policing are rampant. People are ignorant of these stories because they choose not to pay attention to them.
    You don’t want reality to darken your day. Fine, it’s your life and your personal reality.
    I find it ridiculous. People like me, who live and experience the things I deal with, find it ridiculous. We would prefer if you would exempt yourself from discussion about discrimination, or stereotypes or racism or anything that you’ve decided is too dark, dreary and hardcore to be a part of your day. Just don’t get involved. Don’t assume that your opinion is valid because it’s your opinion. Don’t assume your worldview has merit because it’s your worldview. Don’t assume your beliefs are accurate because they are your beliefs.
    There is no proof that the world you prefer exists. None. If you don’t want to accept that, then don’t. But don’t expect me or any other thinking person to treat that choice as acceptable.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And on Palin, the problem with her Russia comment was that when asked about her foreign policy experience, she said that she can see Russia from Alaska.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Hey, at least Sarah Palin knew back in ’87 what most folks have only recently discovered: Brown ‘Rice’ is much better for you than white is.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yes, Allen. I know. I’m not trying to say she’s not an idiot.
    I’m mereley saying she’s not THAT much of an idiot. People don’t belive Russia is viewable from Alaska.
    It is, though.
    @BC – Speaking of brown, Myles Brown’s tweet about the Palins “pass the rice” was hilarious! You see that?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    “When dealing with me” lol. okay god, I bow in your presence great one. Don’t assume your opinion is valid either AP. You are dwelling in the past man. Wake up. I think that if a kid goes to the ER with an issue they take care of him no matter what color of skin they have don’t they? Some racist guy won’t give you a loan? Cool go to one who isn’t racist and he’ll give you one. You have let the evils and hate in this world overcome you. I’m from Seattle, you get grants and loans to go to school allot easier if your a minority there. So it’s hard for me to see what your talking about cause I didn’t grow up in NY during the 50′s like it sounds like you did. I don’t really know the hood like you man. My point of view is coming from an area and people you know nothing about. So where you think my point has no validation, yours has even less where i’m from.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The jokes about this are sort of funny, but it is a little shady that people are having so much fun with this. Even though I had some fun at first, it’s kind of disrespectful to her as a woman, and I can see why she hates the media so much, even if most of her wound are self inflicted.
    A known tabloid publishes a rumor included in a trashy biography, and people are running with it like the gospel. Granted, I think it’s plausible, VERY PLAUSIBLE, I know that if I was her and this wasn’t true, I would be HEATED.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LakeShow, since you live in LA now, go to a predominantly black or hispanic community and ask THEM if they get treated the same in the ER, or if cops show up to their emergencies with the same urgency as that blond chick whose chihuahua got stuck in a tree in Beverly Hills.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Nah, Matic… I missed it. I’ll look it up tho.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Enig, the blonde would also be chosen over a fat white guy, or a bum of any color. I’s not always race based. As for Sarah P, she’s smarter than the average woman so be careful if you choose to call her an idiot.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OK, just saw Myles’s tweet. Hilarious!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lakeshow
    Where you’re coming from is the position of someone who has already admitted he actively avoids seeking information that might “bring him down” and has no knowledge of the current inequities in all the systems I mentioned.
    Why don’t you try Googling the topics I just mentioned. It’s incredibly simple. Spend 15 minutes checking out the Google links and see what you find based on studies and surveys conducted.
    Or, you can continue to believe what is easier and more comfortable for you to believe.
    And be willfully ignorant.
    Those are the two choices from where I’m sitting, and I’m through arguing with you about it. Either you’re interested in facts, or your interested in maintaining the status quo in your life.

  • jimmythesaint67

    Glen Rice from deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!
    “McGinniss claims Sarah had a ‘fetish’ for black men at the time and he quotes a friend as saying Sarah had ‘hauled (Rice’s) ass down.’ … In the book, McGinniss quotes Rice as confirming the one-night stand.”
    Oh that’s sweet .. Nailin Palin
    JTaylor .. lmao .. on point

  • http://Nba.com GP23

    Has Sarah Palin had a boob job, or are they just natural?……..

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Engimatic, it’s a joke. You really need to “thaw” yourself out or maybe “cool” off or maybe you need a “bear” hug or better yet “chill” *wink*wink* Get it?

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Co-sign AP; I feel that personal experience generally shapes our opinions and views of the world as we know it. With that being said, this reminds me of a South Park episode in which ‘Token’ was livid about a racial issue with one of the other kids when Randy uses the “N” word on live TV and faces public ridicule for it and Stan tries to understand Token’s feelings on the subject. It is then that Stan understands that he doesn’t get it. He tells Token that he will never understand how it feels to have the word N*gger against him because he isn’t black, which was what Token was looking to hear all along.

    That was wildly long winded, but it proves a valid point (to me anyways); It’s tough to speak to something you’ve never been or experienced before.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I have seen you comment on here for a minute now Allen. You think everything has to do with race. And i’m so sick of that tired way of thinking. The world will never be post-racist.(especially with people trying to create racial issues where there aren’t any cough cough) But were aiming towards understanding eachother and our differences. I don’t know how much better it is to be arrogant than racist. And your extremely arrogant. Work on your issues man. Don’t just look at the specks in everyone elses eye. Yes, racist things happen by racist people. Does that mean that Williams is going to be judged more harshly due to her skin color. What? She’s one of the best females to ever play. Thats what she’s known for. Work on the injustices you can see. Don’t try and dig up injustices to point out to people. As a society we need to stop trying to always find the bad. By doing that you can create bad where there was none to begin with.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sigh.
    You equated arrogance with racism.
    You said they are equal.
    You told me I should stop being arrogant before I talk to somebody about racism.
    All right, we’re done.
    Good day sir.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t resist.
    Colorblind people always say that way to eliminate racism is to stop focusing on it.
    Nobody says the way to eliminate poverty is to stop focusing on it.
    Or domestic abuse
    Or war.
    Or child abuse.
    Or any other subject of importance. Nobody believes that if you just ignore any other problem, it will go away.
    Except racism.
    Think about it.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    So you being Arrogant(thinking your better than everyone) is in no way similar to racism?(thinking ones race is better than another)
    All right, we’re done.

    Good day to you to sir. And I mean that. Much love man.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Not to stop focusing on it Allen, but less trying to find it where it is not. So don’t take a bunch of food to Canada and say “hey, were here to help.” They don’t need it. Guatemala needs it. So more focus on them. So focus more on the KKK, and less on the supposed media bias.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It’s a valid comparison if that’s your definition of racism.
    It’s not mine. Racism is not just thinking one race is better. It’s a system of advantage built on the belief that one race is better than others.
    People can believe what they like. They can believe they are superior, or their family is superior, or their job is superior, or even their race is superior.
    It’s when those beliefs begin to impact how they handle other people and negatively impact other people’s lives that I have a problem.
    Your brain is your sanctuary.
    The world is not.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    WE ARE THE WORRLLLLLD!!
    WE ARE THE CHILLLLDREEEEEN!!!
    WE ARE THE ONES WHO….oh, sh*t, what’s going on up in here?!?!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I was about to sing Kumbaya, myself.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    It’s all good, JTaylor.
    We’re “cool”.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Maybe just maybe Allen was saying people are inadvertently racist. Maybe a stereotype or judgement from a person happens and can be considered racist, without them even realizing it. An undertone of racism, that creeps up when we look at a situation on a macro level rather then a micro level…if that makes any sense. Both of you seem right, Lake you just don’t seem to want to understand what Allen is tryna say (or maybe I’m missing the real issue) and kind of seem like your ignoring the way the world is. Allen’s issue for you just seems to be with the delivery of his opinion. Correct me if i’m wrong

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Definition for racist:
    a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others. So as far as your defintion I don’t know, but by mine and the dictionary’s arrogance and racism are not to distant cousins. I just truly believe that talented hard working people can do anything in this country, dispite racism. If the hood is no good. Move to a po-dunk place in a better city. They are out there. I have lived in nice cities where the majority of people don’t care what color your skin is. You can rent an apartment no matter what color skin you have! But I didn’t do to much digging. Maybe deep down they were racist. I better go back and find out for sure though huh.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Naw man i’m being more partial to my side just to prove points. There are allot of racist out there and they affect our lives to some capacity, but I see Allen always being the first to point out something that may or may not be racist as just that. He has valid points for sure. I’m not ignoring the facts. I see them. I just think that there is enough racism out there to not go after Bill Walton for not liking the “flair” of the Fab 5. And the “unfair criticism” of the Williams chick. I don’t see racism where Allen does and i’m trying to figure out why.

  • bike

    It seems like people on this thread jumped right into racism discussions and glossed right over women’s rights. I am not a fan of Palin but this business of some slimeball journalist putting that much effort into digging up some brief relationship she might have had with a black athlete over 20 years ago and painting it in a negative context should be considered criminal. Women politicians are held to an entirely different standard than men. Now, if Palin was black and someone had uncovered some affair she had with a white guy a long time ago, what would the reaction be?

  • LA Huey

    It’s always nice to see when people can find the message in a South Park episode, Spaceship Jay. =)
    @LakeShow, I wasn’t trying to insult you. But you were implying that Allenp and the like, “lives in a hole” because they’re aware of some of the realities of the world. You’re simply choosing to be ignorant of the realities but I’m not saying it makes you a weak or bad person (although most Laker fans are evil people until proven otherwise).

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^LMAO

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    LakeShow, I think the issue here is perhaps your unwillingness to admit — despite your personal views — that racism is an issue, is still alive and well and does indeed exist.
    I think it’s fantastic that you come from a family and a place that doesn’t see color, but that’s *you*. You’d be hard pressed to have your views accepted by someone who either has experienced or is currently experiencing some form of racism on a daily basis; subtly or overt.
    To the Serena Williams point, being one of the best tennis players in the world does not exclude her from racism in a sport that is and always has been predominantly white. Remember, she and her sister were not accepted at first. People were looking for and hoping that they’d fail. Her dad was even constantly criticized due to training his daughters in a sport that he himself had no prior knowledge of or experience in. So yes, she will be and has been judged harshly because of skin color and where she’s from.
    Not many tennis players come from Compton, you know.
    Whether you’re accepting of that or not is up to you, but that doesn’t change the reality.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think the racism thing is more of a prevalent issue, due to the whole Tea Party connection. Well that, and there was the whole inclusion of the “interracial relationship” phrase, which was uncalled for.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that was @ Bike.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The main point I’m trying to make is not to be shortsighted due to your own personal views/beliefs. The world is much bigger than our experiences and our personal views.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    god lakeshow is stupid…. and willfully so…

  • http://gmail.com z

    Allenp you have once again earned mad respect from me for the way you’ve broken it down for lakeshow today, even if he refuses to see the validity of your point. I understand exactly what you’re talking about, and am impressed by your eloquence when dealing with a very emotional subject, you broke it down to the basics, and refused to play his game. I can’t stand people like lakeshow–willfully ignorant–who then try to call ppl like allenp (truthtellers) debbie downers, or claim that they just wanna focus on the bad stuff. Lakeshow–you must widen your gaze man. If you TRULY are colorblind, and are not a millionaire, then you should be a…COMMUNIST

  • http://gmail.com z

    cosign datkid…the sad thing is, that it’s people like Lakeshow who consider themselves “progressive” and make up the majority of the US population. The bottom line is, that if you want Truth then you have to actively seek it out, every media source out there has their own hidden agendas nowadays or else are run by an organization that does. A person like lakeshow, if they truly want the Truth about things, has to do some research into it, otherwise they’re basically just eating whatever the powers that be decide to spoonfeed them. If you want “inner peace” then stick to your worldview; if you want Truth then question!

  • LA Huey

    Don’t turn Commie, LakeShow (those guys drink sawdust and eat turds). And guys, if you’re actually trying to get people to understand your point, it probably hurts your cause when you insult them. All the time and effort you put into see your point, is wasted when the person feels like they’re being attacked. And LakeShow, as nice it’d be to solve injustice and prejudice by behaving the right way and hoping others catch on, it’s not going to work. People need to be called out when they’re doing wrong and it should be brought to the attention of others who are unaware.

  • http://gmail.com z

    lol la huey i love the taste of sawdust in the morning! Just for clarity’s sake, i wanna emphasize that i’m not talking about communism in terms of what we saw in the ussr.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Thanks guys that’s sweet.

  • bike

    Maybe one way to view the whole subject of racism is ignorance fosters prejudice. Critical inquiry is the greatest safeguard against prejudice.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I just don’t get it guys… Your telling me that a professional tennis player with an occassional temper tantrum is followed by the media because of her skin color. Bill Walton is racist because he doesn’t like the flair of the “Fab 5″ and wants to punch Rasheed Wallace in the face. Why is Sarah Palin followed by and exploited by the media?? Skin color? Help me understand how everything revolves around race? Did the media follow Tiger because he is black(ish) or because he is the greatest golfer ever? Anthony Weiner? Skin color?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Not everything revolves around race. People are treated differently, seemingly because of their race. It doesn’t seem to be a conscious decision, but the undertones of peoples opinion’s show consistent racism, in all facets of life. Allen was just pointing out what he saw as racism (rightly so) and you seem to be acting like it doesn’t exist, rather then just saying it shouldn’t.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Where was the racism nbk?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    This was a lot more fun when we were all just trading Palin jokes…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Oh, and Lakeshow – Palin’s “smarter than your average woman”?
    Word? Come on now.
    Cause she’s a politician doesn’t make her super-intelligent.
    She might be shrewd, and business-savvy but come on.
    Five different colleges to earn her Bachelor’s, the most prestigious of which was the University of Idaho.
    She never went on to earn a Master’s.
    Nbk touched on some of the idiotic statements she’s made over the years, and there’s plenty more.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I stand by my statement…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I didn’t mean racism, I meant a racial issue. my bad
    -And it was with the wording “McGinniss claims Sarah had a steamy interracial hookup with basketball stud Glen Rice”
    - He explained why interracial was included to another commenter.
    -Then you came in and told Allen “A world where everyhting has a race basis. Eww no thanks. I’ll stay invested in a ridiculous reality where color of skin isn’t an issue…”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    just to sum it up.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sarah Palin is an idiot too. Just because you’re successful, and conned some people into thinking you know anything about politics doesn’t mean your “smarter then the average man/woman”.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I meant in the coverage of Williams. And with Bill Walton. Allen just sees racism where I do not sometimes. From your knowledge base do you think Bill Walton is a racist? Allen thinks so. I do not. I see exactly why this article is rediculous for bringing it into the statement unnecessarily. I will stick by Palin being smarter than the average woman. What percentage of women have their bachelors degree? Allot, but more than half? All i’m saying is she is in the top 50 % lol…

  • Papa Smurf

    Seriously, this post should have been followed by a lot of funny comments. Let me summarize the racism discussion: there are a lot of racists in the US. The end. Now let’s get back to the jokes about nailing Palin.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, 30% of women in the US have earned a Bachelor’s or higher. But it’s about more than just possessing a degree.
    I’d wager a good 80% of women in the US possess more common sense than her, for one…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Bachelors Degree = Work Ethic. Not intelligence

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    My opinion of the Serena’s legacy being damaged is stated
    - nbk Posted: Sep.14 at 1:09 pm
    “Now idk how anyone can believe Serena’s legacy will be damaged by this, it won’t. Just because some journalist who needs readers writes it, doesn’t mean it has any truth.”

  • Allenp

    1. I never mentioned Serena Williams.
    2. I never called Bill Walton a racist.
    You need to summarize mypoints better before you object to them. Bottom line, you don’t like how I think or how I express my thoughts. That is the gist of this situation..

  • seriousblack

    Co-sign BC, Allenp, z etc. You know what else is interesting? Whenever the “colorblind” folks are telling others to forget about racism, it’s almost always directed at the people most likely to be on the receiving end of racism. There’s a tone of resentment when the Lakeshows of the world talk about moving past race talk. It’s funny how they minimize the experiences of others just because their idea of racism no longer matches current issues. It’s like it doesn’t exist if they personally can’t or don’t want to see it. My favorite quote from those people is “America can’t be racist, we have a black president”. Idiots. I also want to know how a “post-race” world can possibly exist when there is an embarrassingly unbalanced distribution of power and wealth amongst mainly western caucasian nations? The U.S is a perfect example. As diverse as this country is, the overwhelming majority of our lawmakers, judicial members, and wealthy are comprised from one racial group. Racial tension will exist minimally ONLY when those in positions of power and influence more closely resemble the ENTIRE population. It prevents one group from using their position to disenfranchise those who don’t look like them (intentionally or not); and it would lessen resentment and mistrust from minorities. All things MUST be equal across the board for the whole post racial thing to be plausible. Everything from the good, great, bad, and ugly must be fair and equal. Until that day comes, there won’t be a “post-racial” U.S. Who knows if we’ll ever get there. The only thing that is certain is that we damn sure aren’t anywhere near it now, Lakeshow.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Most republicans aren’t even true conservatives–they’re neo-conservatives. Which is why the neo-cons at FOX News h@te it when a real conservative (aka constitutionalist) like Ron Paul comes along once every ten years.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!

  • http://snajkff.xom Jukai

    Oh… MAN I missed this one. So many things I wanted to say.
    LakeShow: I agree with you about the Bill Walton thing, man. I really think Allen simply doesn’t like Bill Walton and let his hate cloud his judgement.
    But the Serena thing is realllllly sketchy. There was a Fox early morning news show host who actually said “Is Serena trying to invoke some race thing here?” when she heard Serena call the ref a hater. The media’s reaction should be “awww, pity, it ruined her good girl image” and not “whoaaaaa this woman is the role model for our kids??”
    It’s also hard, cause the world is unique— many people are simply shocked at Williams’ behavior, others are incredibly racist and are jumping out of their seats to shout “TOLD YOU SO!!!”
    Me? I don’t care. I think it should have been an ESPN sidenote. Nothing should have come out of it. It’s just all very odd.

  • blakos

    The USA democratic system is wack.

  • blakos

    Williams probably didn’t show herself in the greatest light. But i like the fact that athletes act out at times. Great entertainment. At the end of the day her amazing ability will make sure her legacy all good. A few incidents with an umpire wont change that.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    To everyone here, I suggest you check out a politician by the name of Dennis Kucinich. Seriously visit his website, his Facebook page, whatever else you can find–he is the real deal. No bullsh!t, cares about his country, and is ALWAYS honest. He, apart from Ron Paul, is the ONLY politician in congress not bought over by the corporate lobbies.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFabLp-Jcbg&NR=1&feature=fvwp
    Do yourselves a favor and watch this video. I’m not sure if he is running for office in 2012, but if he does, he’ll be the ONLY candidate worth voting for.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    This is the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Jimmy Connors used to act out, too.
    It was charming to some. It showed that he wore his “passion on his sleeve”…
    Andy Roddick has his moments, too.
    Williams’ actures are being scrutinized partly because, quite honestly and simply, Serena Williams is the most talented, and arguably the most dominant female tennis player of all times.
    This comes with the territory, my brethren. She makes the most money.
    Eldrick Woods had to go through it, too.
    When one is among the first of their kind, often times they have to adhere to a certain “thing”.
    Especially in tennis and golf.
    In my judgement.

  • EJ

    Doesn’t a Bachelors degree require a lot of money? Cause it’s USA.

  • dan

    @allenp:

    you might laugh now but im from germany. im white n ive been with alot of girls from any “race” ive also gt alot of black friends whove been with alot of white girls or girls of any “race” and this has never been an issue. weve also got alot of celebrities having relationships you might call “interracial” in public but race would never be mentioned in the news when people report on that just because its normal.

    sure, there is racism over here too like anywhere on this planet. but this only happens in underdeveloped areas, mostly in rural areas and also just among the minority of the people. i am really shocked that race is still such an issue over there while even a country with a nazi past left the race issue behind. for example: when dirk nowitzki had this criminal girlfriend who went to prison and obviously was mixed or black ( i dont know the pc term for that in english) you couldnt find any word in the news about her colour just because colour doesnt matter at all.

  • http://gmail.com z

    yea i listen to npr everyday, and it’s an oft repeated fact as of late that white fams in the usa make ON AVERAGE 20 TIMES as much money as black fams in the usa. thats the largest disparity between the two OF ALL TIME, coincidentally. What that means is that blacks are making a smaller fraction of what whites are making than we did when we were living under jim crow…I don’t understand how people like lakeshow, if they did even a minimal amount of paying attention to the facts, can conclude that racism is no longer prevalent in this country. Open your eyes people. Allenp speaks Truth on race issues, you’re just too darn stuck in your comfortable worldview to accept that not everywhere in the usa is as “progressive” as the seattle metropolitan area (which i’ve been to, and will vouch for as being a very harmonious place, racially–at least on the surface anyway). When you’ve got such a big disparity in wealth, how can it be argued that there’s no “race problems” anymore?

  • http://gmail.com z

    Also, i’d like to give kudos to glen rice, for accidentally throwing a monkey wrench in the tea party’s desire to create the perfect female politician, this’ll definitely wind up being a problem for palin if she runs for prez. glen deserves a 2nd championship ring for this.

  • dan

    @z: i totally agree on that. but pointing out “interracial” relationships is not a step into the right direction. stomping social borderlines in the heads of the people would be a good step into the right direction to overcome segregation. one of the reasons why too many black people in the us dont have a chance to participate in the formal work markets is that they are being marginalized by the white establishment and so by the mass media. if you/they dont start re-thinking society over there on a social and cultural basis, the economical sector wont follow. the economy shouldnt have undisputed power neither. the state should force the economy to pay more taxes and restrict them a bit more in order to have more money to found a wellfare state that would help the “under class” overcoming financial and social borderlines would be necessary. but then the republicans

  • ScottyBoi

    Sarah Palin wasnt sophisticated?
    & Obama was?
    He said we had 57 states.

  • dan

    would shout out loud “communism” because they cant tell social responsibilty within the economic and political sector. obama allready tried to do that but then the republicans outmanouvered him to the disatvantage of the majority of the people. the state is broke anyway due to two illegal and extremely costly wars (thanks george w jr) and a financial crash when the stock market collapsed as a result of good old republican predatory-capitalism. the world is a bad bad place. emigrate to europe as long as you still can lol

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dan
    While I don’t disagree with your summary of the situation, going to Europe doesn’t seem like a great move with the financial situation you all are dealing with as well, and the rumblings about the collapse of the EU. America isn’t the predatory capitalist state. More importantly, welfare states sound good in theory, and I support the government helping those in need, but in practice that often breed resentment among the dominant group as has happened in England, Italy, France, Sweden and Norway with the backlash against racial minorities and Muslims.
    And for the Germany thing, my best partner lived there for nearly a year, and said it was cool in a lot of way, not so cool in others. He was in Berlin and one of his enduring memories was waiting for a train and having two white German kids come up to him and randomly ask him if they could buy some weed. My friend is a professional, but of all the people on the train platform, he was the one they picked as the potential weed man.

  • dan

    depends on where you go: germany and the scandinavian countries are still stable and are helping to rescue the broke n corrupt countries like greece or spain.

    lol i know that weed situation too well, i sometimes got asked too when i was wearing baggypants. and as i said there is still racism all over the world. im not a patriot neither i hold it with oscar wilde “patriotism is the virtue of the vicious” and i also hope that the usa will be able to remain its superior power on the world stage… just less conservative/republican. and wellfare states function very well in public, germany and the scandinavian states are the living proof. england and france decreased their wellfare systems and the london / british riots were the latest result of that.

    for example: over here it doesnt matter if your family is rich or poor, everybody has the same chance to study and have a good future coz if youre broke you get a cheap credit to go to university if you want to. sure, amongst lower classes are more problems and lower chances at all compared to wealthy classes. but the equality of the people is at a much higher degree than in non wellfare states. and sorry im not an anti-american (as it became fashionable during the last decade) but predatory capitalism was re-invented during the last century in the usa and spread among the whole post-colonial world. now it suffers from it because capitalism doesnt work same as cumminism, both just work theoretically. a healthy mix of free economy and social responsability due to state controll is the key. in this setting anti-racist campaigns have more chance to bloom than in a setting in wich the rich knockaround the poor as u can see it today in any capitalist states.

  • http://nasteedunx.blogspot.com Nasteedunx

    To the scout back then who said Glen couldn’t go to his right… take that!

  • EJ

    Allen, are you serious about the backlash against muslims in Europe? Coming from an American, that is just plain ridiculous. Yea, there’s obviously some whackos and racism is alive and well all over the world, but seems to me that you think everything happens “cause I’m black”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q17z3UqLeHI watch that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ ScottyBoi – There’s a difference between an slight slip of the tounge due to being fatigued and tired, and not knowing your sh*t

  • EJ

    Also the reason for the income disparitiy in today’s America is because of the private education system. You need a good education to get a good job, and to get a good education in USA, you need money. So it’s very hard to get a good education if you happen to be born to poor parents. It’s not really up to you in that situation.
    Now we all know that blacks were kept poor cause of their skin color, and when that stopped being the norm, the system was already like this.
    So now people don’t technically have to be racist to keep the disparities of income this big between different ethnicities.
    And it’s not big just between blacks and whites, I mean overall the disparity of income is on the same level as in friggin Uganda.

  • http://gmail.com z

    Also ej you’re exactly right, being born poor is a cycle that keeps the same families, the same demographic of society mired in poverty. Isn’t that counter to the “american dream”? It’s time for real change, and that change can only be led by the young.

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  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Average salary of “whites v anyone” in the United States of America is always going to be a controversial disparity. Ever heard of Family Money? Well those (typically white) families have incredibly large fortunes, thousands of % higher then the average person, and when you seperate everyone by just skin color, those people with “family money” are going to royally skew the average.

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  • dan

    youre all absolutely right. but the young wont change anything coz they r more concerned about the outcome of the next college game, superbowl, charts music or which celibrities are shagging each other. (well this is a phenomenon in any rich country, over here too) but segregation and racism over there seems to be real f*cked up. so just come over here guys n lets shoot some hoops ure all wellcome lol

  • ScottyBoi

    Enigmatic- hahaa he was so tired & fatigued that he forgot how many states we have?
    yeah, that’s believable.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31941/digging-deep-to-share-revenue nbk

    he said 57 but meant 47. He had traveled to every state, but Oregon (where he was when he made the statement) Alaska, and Hawaii — He later acknowledged the mistake as a “numeracy problem” — which is not that uncommon of a mistake if your just talking to a person. Palin said outrageously stupid things, and proceeded to defend and try and justify them. Obama made a mistake, and owned up to it.

  • ScottyBoi

    Or maybe he’s just not to bright without a teleprompter.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Or maybe he’s just not TOO bright without a teleprompter.
    Next time you mess up and say something when you meant to say something else and your boys start clowning you, you’ll remember it happens to the best of us.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31941/digging-deep-to-share-revenue nbk

    ScottyBoi is probably a conspiracy theorist, and thinks Obama was really talking about the 57 islamic states. The dude made a mistake, like a human being, he just happens to be president, move on to something relevant, like Sarah Palin’s sex life

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    True. And by no means am I an Obama apologist.
    There’s plenty I could criticize dude for.
    I just think it’s dumb when people criticize him over the smallest, insignificant sh*t and try to point to that as why he’s “the worst president ever”.

  • http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31941/digging-deep-to-share-revenue nbk

    I don’t even like Obama. lol – I also don’t like any other presidential candidate since I started “kind of” following politics. But I’m like you, not going to focus on something this insignificant. Obama has proven his intelligence to me, its his leadership that I question, but I am not in any place to judge him as a good or bad president at this point.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, I’m with you. All the presidential candidates are either horrible, or I don’t know enough about them to judge if they are or not but based on the rest of the field, I’m not too optimistic.

  • dan

    @nbk: the problem why obama cant come thrrough with his policy is that the republicans still have too many votes and power in congress to outmanouver him. its unbelievable to the rest of the world i think, that there are still people on this planet who vote republicans even though they are able to read, write and solve the task 1+1=?…

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    F that.
    There’s sh*tty democrats too. Lots of them.

  • dan

    @enigmatic: sure, i know that. but there is just no alternative over there.

  • pl

    wow where’s Ed. ?
    interracial????

  • pl

    why don’t you just say she slept with a colored guy?

  • pl

    ^
    internet sarcasm hopefully discerned. I am a colored guy.

  • Alex

    I always knew Glen Rice as an excellent long range shooter, but this takes it to another level.

    Marv Albert: Rice guarded by Palin, from downtown, YESSSSS!

  • riggs

    like white on rice.

  • ScottyBoi

    Nbk is probably someone who jumps to conclusions.
    Also, I don’t think he’s the worst or best president
    & we do all make mistakes, we’re human.
    No matter the race.

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  • Kyle

    And Rice still won’t get into the Hall of Fame since he’s the poor man’s Reggie Miller. Good if he’s the third best player on the team. But we all know that this is untrue since Palin was out killing some animals that endangered, doing tons of coke since she liked coke, and their politics would have really gotten in the way. I doubt Rice would bang a chick that liked to hunt, kill Alaksa’s wildlife, snort coke, bang guys who could help her advance in life, blew McCain so she could be his running mate, and had the nickname donkey cause she let drunk frat guys punch her.

    She’d be exactly as competent as Bush or Obama though so… maybe she’d legalize blow. That’d be pretty cool. It could be used for ADD and weight loss.

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