Jerry Stackhouse: Derek Fisher Not Qualified to Represent Players in Lockout

Brilliant….I guess he’s a Laker hater too for criticizing Fisher’s horrible representation. *rolls eyes at every 14 year old Kobe slurper* Stack get’s it.

MikeC said it before I could. This is hilarious.

Ray Allen negotiated his own deal with the help of a lawyers. Said it didn’t make sense to give an agent all that money when the contracts are mostly boilerplate.
Players who think they need their “agents” are typically weakminded and lazy.
Most players could save tons of money by doing their deals on their own and getting a lawyer to be paid by the hour.

@Allenp – I remember when Ray negotiated that contract. I think there is still a place for player agents. For max-level players, like Ray was at the time, negotiating that contract was easy. Ray just needed a lawyer to go over the contract, but all he really had to do was say “Hey, I’m a max-level player, so give me the max contract.” Done and done. Agents aren’t needed to negotiate contracts for All-Stars. Agents are needed to get Darko $20mil and Luke Walton $30mil. Which is why we have this lockout. What was my point?

Bike
I agree.
Mburb
Most agents are not lawyers. That is a misconception. Agents are people who file the paperwork to become agents.
Mike C
Honestly, I don’t think agents go and get people great deals. Rashard Lewis said Orlando just called his agent and offered the max. They didn’t push for it at all.
I think agents help keep track of finances, responsibilities and set up certain outside deals. But, since most NBA players don’t have those, they really hire these cats so they don’t have to concentrate on things they don’t want to think about. It’s a convenience thing more than a need thing.

Yeah, Shuttlesworth know what’s up.
Also, if I’m not mistaken, it’s not just Stern, Silver, Fisher, and Hunter in a room by themselves. They’re all flanked by lawyers.

@Allenp I have to disagree with you on that one buddy. Most agents and especially the ones that influence these negotiations def are lawyers or have their law degree. Almost all well known agents have their degree: Leon Rose, Rob Pelinka, Arn Tellem, Dan Fegan, Mark Steinberg, Drew Rosenhaus etc maybe some new or smaller agents don’t but its away of earning credibility.

Eboy, arent you a grown a$$ man? lol You act like a child sometimes. How about not b*tching about “Lakers Slurpers” til we actually see one? And arent you a Heat “slurper”??? Whats the difference?

one didnt get swept by the mavs?

@AllenP: Mburb321 is right, from my experience most agents are lawyers or retain the council of one in their agency. The big value of an agent is in negotiating a contract, and you definitely need a lawyer to keep on top of that legalese – especially at that level of money.

Most agents are not lawyers, what? Then why am I thinking about going to law school in the hopes of becoming an agent?

Last time I checked Jerry Stackhouse does not have an NBA contract which means he doesn’t play for team which also means HE HAS NO CONTRACT to negotiate. What Stackhouse should have said was he feels an agent should represent the players and not another player because players can’t understand the lingo the way an agent would. It seems as if Fisher is doing all he can. The reason the lock-out has continued is because the PLAYERS refused the 50/50 BRI by the owners.

I’m sorry but your just as likely to hate on Eboy at this point as he is to hate the Lakers. And you look more petty and sensitive then he looks childish. Considering he hates a basketball team and it’s illogical fans (nobody named you, don’t get defensive) and you hate him, a person, for his dislike of your team.

Stack isn’t helping the players out at all by criticizing Fisher. He should keep his mouth shut. This is yet another example of how amateurish the players are in this dispute. At this stage of the game, they want to keep their losses at a minimum and the best way to accomplish that is to provide a united front. Public displays of within-player divisions are adding more blood in the water. There is nothing that would put a bigger smile on Stern’s face right now than the players turning on Hunter and Fisher.

Only a part of an agents job is to negotiate the NBA contract. Most of the time is spent getting side/endorsement deals, setting up trust/foundations, oranizing public appearances and providing ‘guidance’ on how to best create/protect the players brand. Player contracts are somewhat ‘easy’ as market value is somewhat defined (not that the sides can’t disagree), contract length is a snagging point as well, but nothilng that can’t be worked out.

Jerry Stackhouse not qualified to play in the NBA.

I agree with stack. Sure fisher is good at taking charges and misfiring from 3, but that doesn’t qualify him to do sh*t. For starters, if the players were to decided to sit out the season and wait for a court ruling they would gain mad leverage (everyone knows that they’re gonna win in court and the owners would lose several billion dollars if this were to happen)

Read what was posted by Whitlock this morning regarding Fisher as NBPA President. He talks about why players like Fisher (and Michael Curry before him)are not suited for that job. He makes it pretty simple to understand.

Veterans that have made enough money too not have to think about their job opportunities after basketball. (Derek Fisher wants to be a GM, or Coach after he’s done playing. It would be hard to get hired as such by an owner if you are hardlined against what they are seeking, look at what happened with Michael Curry after he negotiated the last CBA and then retired and was on the fast track to NBA front offices, he received an ill-deserved head coaching Job in Detroit that netted him $7.5M) Steve Nash, Elton Brand, Grant Hill would all be better candidates to get a fair deal representing the players then Derek Fisher.

Why do you have to use common sense and reason Nick? Seriously man, can’t you just try and start drama and be a secret Heat fan like certain other people on here. On a final note, your a teenage slurper for using your brain instead of giving brain.

@ NBK My simple point is that you shouldn’t base your opinion on what Stack says or what Whitlock writes. Make your own independent opinion. I also think that if players didn’t like/want DFish as their prez then they wouldn’t have elected/re-elected him. That simple. The guys you named above. If they are head and shoulders above DFish, don’t you think their fellow players would see this and would fight to have them as the prez instead? Instead we base all this on Stack’s comments and possibly Stern’s clever use of the media machine.

So in essence, you’re saying that Brand, Nash and Hill who appear to be well educated, very much involved in their communities and are widely respected, veteran leaders with no future NBA management/coaching aspirations and who want nothing to do with player representation would make a better prez than DFish? You’re basically saying that guys who meet your criteria of qualification but have never shown any interest would be better at an equally qualified guy who’s had 5 years experience at that position. I just don’t get it. I’m not saying that DFish is the greatest player prez of all times but he’s done nothing wrong( that we know about) so why are we so ready to tear him down?

Because he’s leading a movement of concessions. Not a negotiation – it’s more like ultimatums. In Order for the players to get anything more then a 50/50 (which isnt reAlly 50/50) split after this next CBA the players will have to Strike, you realize that? During the 99 negotiation the Owners had too lock out the players just to get 43%. If you ask me, Fisher has done nothing but fail as the NBPA President. Just like Billy Hunter has failed to adulate the public about the real meaning of these negotiations and BRI split. I don’t at all think allthe blame should be on Fisher, I just feel the president should have some form of leverage with either the owners or the public. And Fisher has neither.

Guys Stephen A already explained it on 750.In the beginning D.Fish and Kobe were two of the most hardcore supporters of 54%, but once the union missed its opportunity to decertify (because of HUNTER)they pretty much lost ALL LEVERAGE.Think about how things have changed Kobe and KG walked into sterns office and said 54 or no deal to then talking about setting up a fund for players to now all of a sudden being ok with 50/50, just because Fish is trying to get a job? NO its because its only going to go lower then 50% from here on. The rank and file guys cannot afford to miss checks and Fish knows it, thats why hes trying to settle for 50/50 no other reasons. The owners called their bluff and they were right.

Yeah I live in Phoenix, does that matter? – maybe “failed” when talkin about fisher is the wrong word, but there are ways to get leverage. The Public controls the perception, if the NBPA got the public to realize the split at 57, 43 was already basically 50/50 – and that in most similar industries (Entertainment industry for example) the talent takes home a much larger cut then 50% don’t you think the players would have leverage with the most important group in this whole thing? The fans… (only the “die-hard” fans have even an idea about the specifics of the lockout.). Fisher is at the en of his career, and aspired for a front office job. Even if there was leverage too have, what makes you think Fisher would use it in the public against his future employers? Because he wrote a “letter to the players” (which didn’t even make it too the majority of players, even though Fisher said it was sent to every one of them, most of them read it in the media). Or because he threatened to sue Whitlock? I know a lot of people who get caught doin something shady try and flip their actions on their accuser to absolve themselves of suspicion, what makes everyone think Fisher isn’t just coverig his ass? It’s not like an owner is going to come out and snitch on Fisher or confirm Whitlocks “sources” that would be detrimental too the whole league, Fisher has free reign to deny and make idol threats, there is no leverage in disputing fisher or any party, players or owners.