Thursday, November 10th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  147 responses

NBA Labor Talks to Resume on Thursday


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

The latest round of NBA labor talks lasted over 12 hours, as David Stern’s doomsday deadline was brushed aside, and some progress was said to have been made.

Now, what “progress” truly means when it comes to this lockout, is anyone’s guess.

Though both sides remained stoic and largely non-committal about the talks (despite some funny technical issues), according to the reporters staked out at the hotel where these talks took place, the fact that the players’ union and owners will meet again today is an encouraging sign.

From the NY Times:

The talks ended around 1 a.m. Thursday and will resume at noon. “The fact that we don’t have a deal obviously let’s you know that there’s still a lot of work to be done on the system,” said Derek Fisher, the players union president. “We’re going to meet again tomorrow to give it our best effort, but we’re not sure if that will be enough.”In theory, the players were working against an ultimatum: to accept the N.B.A.’s most recent proposal by 5 p.m. Wednesday, or have it replaced by a significantly worse offer. But once talks resumed, the parties effectively “stopped the clock,” Commissioner David Stern said.

Failure to reach a deal in the next day or so could still trigger the N.B.A.’s “reset” proposal, which would threaten the rest of the season. But as long as talks continue, there is hope on both sides that a deal can be struck, and the four-month lockout resolved. “I would not read into this optimism or pessimism,” Stern said. “We just continue to negotiate as we continue to negotiate.” He added, “We’re not failing, and we’re not succeeding.”

Though the level of optimism about the lockout (now 133 days old) ending soon has been slightly raised, there remains quite a bit to work on the system issues to iron out between players and owners.

We’ll know more about what progress — if any — was made following today’s round of talks.

  • Add a Comment
  • Share
  • RSS

Tags: , , , ,

  • http://ggfhh.com Jukai

    I’ve been throwing hooks at random mother f’ers all week in memory.
    Also, ufc has the same problem as world wide boxing… Pac/floyd is the same as GSP/Andy. It’s just that they both have opponents (Diaz and Sonnen) who have talked their way into some hype.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Juks..
    Don’t underestimate Stock. I’ll go with Stock. LOL.
    Anyway, I’m predicting Shogun at 2nd round TKO.
    Bron should join the UFC, he would win a championship via CHOKE. Sorry couldn’t resist the joke. Bron is the man though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @J All Boxing really needs to find better Heavyweights to be honest. I don’t mean like try to find another Ali or Frazier(RIP), or anything like that, but fighters that are more exciting and competitive in the HW division will probably make the sport even more relevant.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Jukai, yes. I was in tears when a great MMA fighter like Juicy Couture beat up on an overweight, overrated, past his prime Toney that was stepping into the octagon for the first time. Really?

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    @ Jukai.
    The talent pool on the UFC is currently MUCH deeper than boxing. Plus the UFC hype machine can boost its fights better than boxing. They won’t have that much of a problem after a GSP/Silva fight. ALTHOUGH here’s a problem I see why it wouldn’t happen.
    1. I think the UFC is just hyping it up but won’t actually let them fight. They’re trying to protect the two most precious fighters ever. They want them to go down as 1a 1b ever. The loser would extremely lost a huge marketing profit he’s currently bringing in the UFC. Dana won’t like that.
    2. It’s a lose-lose for Silva. Assuming they meet at 185, and Silva wins people will just say he won against a much smaller guy. If he lose that would tarnish all his claim as GOAT.
    Also personally I’m fine with that fight not happening at all. GSP and Andy are my two most favorite fighter of all time. I’d be fine them to keep their legacies without meeting the other in the octagon.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    Silva is just the most dominant motherf*cker ever. He is incredible to watch.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jon Jones going to be better then Silva.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    That’s the difference between Boxing and the UFC. You have to fight the other top guy in your division or weight class to be considered in any GOAT conversation. It’s has been that way for decades and will continue to, that’s why I will never consider either Mayweather or Pac-Man anywhere near true greats like Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, and Roberto Duran. Those guys fought and beat the best.
    Ali wouldn’t be who is he is today without stepping up to the plate and fighting Foreman, Liston and Frazier.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    nbk no. the spider is goat.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I have a very good feeling we are all going to be celebrating the NBA Lockout being over tomorrow. As Sir Charles would say, I may be wrong, but I doubt it. *crosses fingers*

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    and GSP is goat 1.5

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    There was a clip I saw of Ali fighting some karate guy back in the day and all he did was keep sweeping him and kicking and Ali couldn’t really do much with him. But I guarantee you if you switch it up and put a the best UFC fighter in the ring with Mayweather.. they’d get tuned up. You can’t put a pro in another pro sport like it doesn’t work like that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    @ Jtaylor
    fighting the best in your division? how about. Liddell-Couture. Liddell-Wandy. Penn-GSP. Hughes-GSP. Rampage-Wandy. ETC ETC.. There are SO MANY best vs best fights in the UFC.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    @nbk, Bones is sick but he aint messing with the spider, ever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Manny will beat Floyd though.

  • http://djfklsfl.com Jukai

    ALRIGHT lemme get into some MMA here.
    @JTaylor: James Toney was four years younger and still had several championships. Don’t gimme that washed up nonsense. Couture was 2-2 in his last four matches before Toney, this wasn’t 2003 Couture that Toney was fighting. It’s fair to say that Toney was new to the sport, but they were both equally washed up. If Toney didn’t go on that whole “any good boxer’ll beat up any good UFC fighter” nonsense, no one would even talk about it.
    I do agree with your assessment about old time boxers not being afraid of fighting ANYONE… and that is a great deal of what is wrong with BOTH boxing and MMA today. With boxing, it is a REAL major problem. With MMA, it’s a bit less because generally everyone will fight anyone in the same weight class… but they refuse to move up or down weight classes. They don’t want to get out of their “comfort zone” which is unfortunately. Couture and Penn don’t have sterling records but they’re considered absolute legends because they didn’t care about moving up or down a weight class to fight the best of the best.
    @unfckwitable: Co-sign. Silva is the new GOAT. Sorry Fedor.
    @NBK: Bones has to beat Machida thoroughly (stylistically tough) then beat Rashad (best in the division) for me to even have him as a GOAT contender. Silva has already cleaned house. Bones is incredible for someone so young, talent is there, but he’s still not totally tested. Shogun has a habit of not showing up for fights and Rampage is just showing up for paychecks.
    @Gametimeweezy: You’re thinking of Ali vs Antonio Inoki. Inoki wasn’t really a “Karate guy.” He was a catch wrestler (although I believe he did hold a black belt in a form of Shorin Ryu). And yeah, the entire event was embarrassing.

  • http://djfklsfl.com Jukai

    Sorry J, didn’t forget you. I think boxing still has a much larger talent pool, it’s just dispersed through so many organizations. UFC gathers the cream of the crop in one place. It’s easier to see.
    I believe the problem with Silva vs GSP is that GSP doesn’t want to move up in weight because with his build, he couldn’t drop back down. I don’t know why the UFC doesn’t want to make a catchweight fight, but whatever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Jukai.
    GSP is ok at fighting Andy at 185. The thing is GSP is a great tactitian. He knows how great Silva is. He should come as the best GSP EVER in facing Silva. For him to move up won’t be easy, he needs to totally change his regime and add up weight and it takes time. If he rush it he’s dead. We all know that story. I for one would give the edge the spider. I’ll show reasons later..

  • http://bulls.com airs

    y’all sleepin on jose aldo.
    i would love to see a silva and jon jones fight

  • YoLu

    The NBA is a business, bottom line. If the players want the best owners (the richest; able to pay the most lucrative contracts) they will understand this. In order to get owners like this (ie: New Jersey’s new owner) they need to understand that these lucrative owners still want to make money. It’s in their DNA. That’s how they’ve gotten to this point. Let potential high stakes owners see they can profit (and more than just a little bit) by owning a team and they will try their best to own a team. The more owners there are like this the more money the NBA and the NBA players will make. Then everybody happy… until the next lockout.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    @ nbk
    Bones got ways to go. He has the tools I think though. One weakness I see is actually part of his strength (right now) as a fighter. Rashad said it best. (See Rashad’s last interview can’t find the link sorry). You see similarities in Silva/Jones style? Silva does it for a purpose, a reason. Jones?.. meh, those ducking, flying knee with no purpose. Thousands of swinging back elbow.. you get the picture, often times Jones does that for no reason. It is mostly effective because it isn’t exposed yet. That’s a sign of immaturity of fighting tactic. That would cost him soon. But I like Bones, like I said he has the tools..

  • http://wikipedia.org Eddie1

    @Jukai So where is this agreement? It seems more and more likely that the NBPA will dissolve and these boneheads will decertify.

  • Fat Lever

    Back to square 1.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Eddie1 is a funny dude, you heard it from Slick Ric in 2028.

  • Marco

    Tuesday the lockout will be over

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    @J: I mean, GSP is much shorter than Anderson. With added weight, he’s going to slow down and have to reconstruct his game a bit… I don’t see why it can’t be a catchweight fight at 177. No belt on the line, have a cool million as the prize purse, have the fight everyone wants to see. GSP has to take Anderson to the ground and beat him a beat, he needs that speed. Let me tell you, I really want to see if Anderson can matrix-slip GSP’s lightning quick jab. Click on my picture for the picture we all want to see.
    @Eddie1: Either the deal gets done or the ‘boneheads’ decertify which have helped the NFL get an agreement the last two times they did it. You’re a tool, buddy.
    And Jose Aldo is the man. I love him because he’s said multiple times he’s not afraid to fight Cruz at 145 and he’s not afraid to move up and fight Edgar at 155. Of course, both Cruz and Edgar are pretty much natural 145ers so I guess that helps… but still, Aldo has balls. I like balls.

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    Bones Jones got the tools his reach is just crazy seems like no one can get close to him. But yea his chin hasn’t been tested I’m waiting for somebody to rock him.

  • BBaller

    Doesn’t UFC or MMA have a discussion website? I know it’s slow in the nba news department but choose a different forum guys. Just a prediction but come Thursday news headlines will be ” Labor talks to resume Tuesday”

  • BBaller

    Good point YoLu, first one to mention that!

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    @ Jukai
    GSP is going up. He’s gonna be slower, by a little. But it is not the stand up game that GSP, I believe, is having an advantage. It is on the ground. Specifically submission. “Cheat” Sonnen was able to put Silva down, but the thing is, he’s mostly ground n pound and didn’t display any submission attempts at all that could’ve made it more difficult for Silva. That is where GSP’s BJJ and wrestling come in. He’s arguably be the best wrestler in the UFC in terms of skill considering it is not his base. Not to discount Silva’s ground game and defense as they are both top flight BJJ blackbelts, but it is on the ground that GSP has the best chances are.I’m OK with a catch weight. That would be good. Conditioning and cardio would not be an issue at 177. But it’ll be the length and the muay thai expertise of Silva that could spell the difference.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Suga could beat Jones I believe.
    Aldo. He’s a beast. I like his game. But I was dissapointed in his fight against Florian. Don’t know what happened there.
    Also FRANKIE. Damn that man is also a beast. Such a HUGE display of heart. Talk about rising from the brink of defeat. TWICE.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Silva was immature when he was younger as well. He still shows bouts of immaturity and arrogance up until
    Today. He has just been leagues better then everyone he has fought. Atleast in my opinion Jones is on the fast track to be a better fighter. The sport is evolving so fast, I think it is only inevitable for the next generation to be better than the last. But what do I know, I don’t really know enough about MMA to have that strong of an opinion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    NBK
    But not anything that would lead him open to be countered by an opponent. What I’m getting at is things that he does on- the cage, not off it.
    But if you note Andy’s performance against Cote’s Maia’s that’s not immaturitty, that was just poor performance from his standards.
    Sorry for too much MMA thing here.. but well it’s the lockout. And it sucks. It won’t hurt to have some off topic conversations at times. and I’m a little bored with My Player in 2k12. I’m winning ROY with the closest rookie to give me a competition is Rubio who’s aceraging 5 PPG. C’mon..

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    * averaging

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    That’s actually a really good point YoLu if it were that simple. Yea it would be great if there were thirty Mark Cubans and Jerry Bussys and trillionaire Russians wanting to buy teams. Competitive balance ideally is awesome for the league. It’s pretty much non-existent in Major League Baseball and look a the Bankrupt Dodgers. Sorrowfully current ownerships are pathetic and haven’t got the job done on THEIR end. And now they are playing hardball to recoup THEIR losses. The fans should be locking THEM out as far as I’m concerned. The deal being offered is NOT ACCEPTABLE! How much more plain can Derek Fisher put it? He is speaking english. If there is an acceptable deal that didn’t royally screw JJ Redick… well Michael Jordan isn’t about to offer one. As our players are being outsourced to China. Everything rises and falls with leadership… great job Commish!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sill has losses on his record. I didn’t see the fights, but I can only assume he lost because of mental mistakes. Jones might not have a “purpose” with what he does, but it only hurt him in the Hamil fight, when he was goin 12 to 6. And there are no rookies which is why everyone with 2k who plays myplayer wins ROY.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    @BBaller, stop being a b*tch.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    well atleast i better have a tighter race towards ROY. 2k could’ve done it better.. but I’m really not complaining though. 2k12 is still bada**. I’ve read you’re having online leagues on xbox right? I don’t really know how that thing works out but I’m planning to have that with some of my buddies here..

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    Jones has never been challenged. Ever. So I get the hype. He deserves it.
    But the only person he has fought who is top notch is Rua. Rampage has been washed up for a while, Vera and Bader were overrated. Machida and Rashad are the top-2 in the division, in my opinion. If he cleans them the way he has cleaned everything else, then I’ll accept the Silva – Jones comparison.
    I’m much more interested in talking about this than basketball until I know the lockout is over. Then it’s back to bball for me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Jukai.
    And it should be noted that Jones faced an unhealthy Shogun in their title fight. So.. cosign that he’s not been fully challenged so far in his career.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Dam, I missed out! Silva by a mile. Jones has a ways to go. His long limbs are doing the majority of the work for him right now. Diaz vs GSP is what we should be talking about since it’s actually going down. Ya’ll think GSP is winning huh? I’ll take Diaz on that one. Hate dude, but he is a animal right now. Hope GSP beats the hell outta him though.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Poor Carlos Condit being told to step aside…. Title fighter one day. In the rest of the pack the next. Thats gotta suck.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    LakeShow: It’s official now, Chael vs Silva II is in the works. So no need for a super fight when Silva and GSP have to take care of their most annoying critics.
    I’m hoping for a supercard with both Silva v Sonnen II and GSP v Diaz on the superbowl card… and though it’s doubtful they’d put their biggest draws on the same card, it has the potential to outdo UFC 100.
    J: Shogun is NEVER fully healthy. He uses that excuse every time he loses.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Lake..
    GSP. This time I really believe it would be TKO or submission. Lightning jabs vs. great boxing. That’s pretty equal. Until GSP unleash his superb kicks. GSP would also take’em down and that’s where the grind to the finish starts. Diaz’ helluva tough though. But the greatness of the overall game that made GSP cleaned the house would give him the W. And it’ll be a finish.

  • Justin

    I hate the “Stockton wouldn’t have had as many assists without Malone” argument. Anyone with a great amount of assists either had longevity, great scorers, or both. Would Magic have had as many assists without Kareem or Worthy? Of course not. And Stockton over Payton anytime, in their prime or not

  • hushabomb

    Anderson is great due to his accuracy of strikes. He may not be the strongest of the middleweights yet he’s beat Okami due to strikes and KO’d Leben. The moment he lands a strike, his confidence builds and that’s how he beats ya.

    GSP is great at taking an opponents weakness and using it against him. Koscheck couldn’t close distance as GSP had worked the jab and kept it standing. Out BJJ’d Hardy. Out struck Fitch and Alves.

    At middleweight, love to see Sonnen Vs Silva II. Also Munoz Vs Stann (not confirmed, just wanna see it) and Bisping Vs Mayhem.

    GSP Vs Diaz, Condit Vs Koscheck, Suga Vs Hendo/Rua with the winner taking on Bones.

    For any one who says boxing is the premier combat sport is not educated in combat sports. Boxing is one, if not the most important, of the striking elements in MMA.
    To the uninitiated, its looks ugly. When you consider the grappling, wrestling, transitions from standup to ground game, ground and pound and striking it makes for a beautiful thing to see. Just like in basketball. That’s like having a player who can post, shoot, slash, drive and dish, rebound and play defense.

    Boxing is good (GO PAC-MAN). MMA is good. MMA guys love to box and boxers yet boxers don’t give back the love. Bernard Hopkins was a major opponent of MMA and thought its 2 guys rolling around the floor all the time. Until Eddie Alvarez (The current Bellator Lightweight Champion) started boxing at Hopkins gym. Now Bernard respects MMA.

    Youtube Rashad Evans Bernard Hopkins and you’ll see Hopkins giving Rashad tricks on striking. Rashad was lapping it up and you wouldn’t pass up knowledge from a boxing world champ. Same as GSP getting Freddie Roach on The Ultimate Fighter S12. All GSP’s fighters loved it as well

  • Justin

    MMA.com is that way —->

Advertisement