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Friday, November 11th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  79 responses

NBA Proposing 72-Game Season With Latest Offer


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

If NBA players accept to swallow their bitterness with the League’s offer by next week — a very big if at this point — the lockout would end, and we’d have basketball tipping off just before Christmas.

It will take a lot for the above to happen.

Following yet another marathon labor meeting yesterday in New York City, David Stern announced that the time for negotiation had come to an end, and delivered what is basically the latest take-it-or-leave-it deal to the players’ union.

From the NY Times:

With one final proposal and one last ultimatum, the N.B.A. put the wheels in motion Thursday for a delayed season that could begin Dec. 15, or perhaps not at all … If the players approve the offer, a 72-game season could commence in mid-December. If they reject the deal, the N.B.A. will replace it with a significantly worse proposal, one that virtually guarantees cancellation of the 2011-12 season and a legal battle. Commissioner David Stern specifically avoided terming this the N.B.A.’s last, best offer, although that was clearly what it was. “We have made our revised proposal, and we’re not planning to make another one,” Stern said late Thursday night, adding, “There’s really nothing left to negotiate about.”

The offer is based on a 50-50 split of league revenues, which the union is resigned to accepting. But it also contains an array of new restrictions on player movement and team payrolls, all of which the union opposes, and which still threaten the approval of any deal. Those so-called system issues were the primary focus of the last two days of talks. The league moved slightly on one issue – the use of the midlevel exception by luxury tax-paying teams – and made other adjustments to its offer. Union officials were clearly disenchanted with the final version, however, and are reluctantly taking it to their members. “It’s not the greatest proposal in the world,” said Billy Hunter, the union’s executive director. “But I have an obligation to at least present it to our membership. So that’s what we’re going to do.”

The deal is crummy from the players’ point of view, and they’re right to feel this way. But they have few options at this point. After all, does anyone truly believe their collective anger (and, critically, that of their powerful agents) will be enough to reject the offer and effectively cancel the season?

Should the deal get accepted, the League will move on with figuring out just what exactly a 72-game season would look like. So far, all we know is that the start of the Playoffs and NBA Finals would each be moved back about a week.

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  • Lan

    With any system, a good agent will find holes to max that contract

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    The players union is going to have to swallow that pill the owners just gave them…The bottom line is David Stern and the owners negotiated in good faith by “stopping the clock” and then revising their proposal. Should the players reject this offer, they’ll likely regret it, because I don’t believe they’ll get a better one, even if they take the decertification route. It’s time to play basketball, and win the fans back. The players did the best they could given the circumstances.

  • Thomas

    There will be a season, I know it!!

  • neaorin

    This has probably been said before but the players are not really negotiating just for this CBA. They are fighting for the future as well. It’s business – any new negotiation has the status quo as the baseline. Why do the players currently feel that 50-50 is a crummy deal? Well, them receiving 57 percent until now is a big reason why. What if they had had only 53 percent? Just like with raises, your previous salary is the baseline, and then the new salary becomes the baseline for future raises, and so on. It’s not as simple as “how much we lose by not playing right now, vs. how much we lose by taking a worse deal during the life of the CBA”. If it were, we might be watching some NBA games right about now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Neorin that has been said. Some people care and other people don’t. Lots of folks just want their basketball.

  • Justin

    I think everything has been said ad nauseum

  • bull22

    straightup only the players voting yes can get in a season at this point, because from day one billy hunter has been the doomsday man. (actually the last two years) what is incredible is that him and fisher would love nothing more then reject this deal and tank the season to save their pride..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I wonder what the players are expecting, that the deal will get better when they follow the decertification route? Seriously, they’ve made so many concessions and the owners are greedy, I know, but it’s not going to get much better. If we lose this season, I swear to god before the start of next season they’ll have accepted an even worse deal.

  • LA Huey

    I’m really curious to see what the new luxury tax is and which owners won’t give a duck about it and still spend like mad. I’m guessing the list goes Cuban, Dolan, and Buss with 1-2 others joining and dropping from the list every few years.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    The Knicks and Lakers generate a lot of revenue through their local television and sponsorship deals, thus they’ll be able to handle the luxury tax payments under this new proposed CBA should they choose to tread into that territory for a championship caliber team.

  • Kilo

    F*** David Stern F*** the owners and F*** ESPN who covers the lockout like they are partnering with Fox News.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    LA Huey: Don’t forget the Nyets. Prokhorov is worth 6x more than Cuban is (crazy to think about). That said, I’ve been with the players this entire lockout. But, this is the best they’re gonna get. If the Union had done a better job of UNITING the players over the past two years about this issue, they would have had a better chance. But, the failures of Hunter (and to a lesser degree, Fisher) means 50-50 is the best offer. Shane Battier for Union president? And, as a side, what’s going to happen to 2k12 association mode??

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZKiYgcgBAY IAMORANGE4EVER

    When it comes to local television and sponsorship revenue, the Knicks and Lakers are stylin’ and profilin’ and in a league of their own. It’s not even close. Click my name…that’s how I feel about it.

  • robb

    No comments about this until the lock out is over. Like @Justin said, everything has been said ad nauseam

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They are not taking this offer. I’ve read from like 8 different people the idea that the owners changed anything significant with this new offer is basically fiction. The players are more than likely going to decertify, petition is supposed to be filed Monday.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    Yeah, I smell decertification coming. If I was a player, I’d vote to decertify.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    *sigh. I guess it’s good bye season =(

  • http://wikipedia.org Eddie1

    @jukai don’t underestimate yourself. You’re saying you would decertify knowing that you would risk coming back to a system where you may make high 5 figures/low six figure salaries after enjoying a comfortable 7 figure salary? The courts would destroy the players; the business model for the NBA isn’t like the NFL. It’s a failing model.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Weird though, that the league is bigger, the system is even worse then it was going into the last CBA (after the 99 Negotiations it was unanimous that the Owners won the Lockout) but the System is now broken. It wasn’t broken when it was less profitable and paying a higher % to the players, but now it is? What is broken is the Owners ability to be responsible & honest. What else is broken is the players backbone. Cuz this desertification should have happened back in July.

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    Yes, I DO believe their ‘collective anger’ will be enough to have the season cancelled. I’ve been talking doom and gloom all week (see my site). Seriously, as Jukai said, get to know decertification because it’s going to be a very important term in the coming weeks.
    Jahmai, the players will not get a better deal and should be happy with this one, but it’s not that simple. There are so many factors at play in making the player’s decision (Kessler, agents etc.). Ya, I think the players, if it was JUST them would sit down and vote for this deal. But no, I don’t think that the way things are setup that they will.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I must say Coolwhip, I’ve enjoyed your blog. Good luck with that Liver. You gotta lotta drinking ahead of you.

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    nbk, thanks for the shoutout. Yaaaa, when I started this I thought it’d be a few weeks, but wow it’s looking like cancellation is imminent, and I might’ve bit off more than I can chew (errr, swallow).

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    Ohhh, and nbk (and anyone on these boards) add me to twitter if ya want – @BrandonBombay

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I did a little bit ago.

  • andre anglais

    where are the articles asking about “will the fans come back” and “fan backlash” to the lockout? Where do I sign up as a disenfranchised fan?

  • LRMG

    I read somewhere that about 160 players are on league minimum salaries (can’t find it now) and that the numbers I’ve heard on decertification are between 50 and 130. I just feel that the NBA currently has too big of a “lower class” (I use this term very loosely) to pass on this deal. I am 100% on the players side (always gotta go labor over capital) but I think there are too many of them who want to get paid now.

    I heard a former player from the previous lockout on the radio (Don McClean) who basically said “the players are saying they are doing this for the guys in the future, but are the guys in the future going to cut them a check?” I’m sure this is on the minds of many players right now.

  • LRMG

    Sorry it was Don MacLean. Also, another point, as I think we are heading to the end, why didn’t players try and emulate baseball players, instead of the NFL. The NFL decertified and they still got jacked. Baseball players are rolling around with the best contracts because they have the best union.

  • Zabbah

    you can sign up up my ass andre anglais. friggin’ baby.

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    ^Baahahhhahha
    Seriously Andre, these are just the times we live in. If you want though you can checkout #OccupySternStreet

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    LRMG, Baseball Players went on strike in 94. That’s why they enjoy the best system in America.

  • mj23

    The NBA is failed business model… The Allan Houston’s, Joe Johnson’s, Rashard Lewis’, and the list goes on and on. Over paid players with teams losing Millions of $$$. The lockout needed to happen. They need to follow the NFL business model. Until then, there should be no NBA season. I don’t think the NBA will be missed that much anyways. It has lost a lot of it’s popularity due to mediocre teams with no talent.. There aren’t any rivalries like in the 80′s and 90′s, and fans are not getting there moneys worth.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The NBA is more popular then it has ever been. Where the idea that it lost popularity came from is lost on me. There is no logic behind that. I mean it’s completely obvious the league is bigger then ever, the players make more money. They always get the same % of revenue, so if the average players salary keeps goin up then so must revenue. Common sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    Lockout talk and decertification aside, the Bulls 72-10 record is still in danger. With a little seasoning, a certain team could go 72-0. Nostradamus > Illuminati says so.

  • Ballislove

    Accept the offer!!

  • bull22

    anyway talking anymore about this lockout won’t bring it to an end any quicker. if the players reject the deal, lookout at garage sales and flea markets for dirt cheap genuine nba merchandise…

  • http://wikipedia.org Eddie1

    Pride comes before the downfall. D-fish will be made a subject in a film for ESPN 40 for 40. He let his own pride stand in the way of a season…three years later NBA rookies making 23 K + benefits.

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    Nick The Quick, you better be talking about the 2011-2012 Chi-town Bulls. Also, 72-10 won’t be duplicated anytime soon, if ever. You can’t downplay the injury/luck factor. If you’re talking about the team I think you’re talking about then they have two very injury prone integral players. 70 wins is never happening in that godforesaken place.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    These players need to accept this deal and move on with their lives. They still will be able to take care of their kids, kids kids and take care of their family with some of these deals. Some of these players would be working making nothing if not for their gift to play basketball. There are alot of ballers who did not make it in basketball and life did not work for them. Seen them and knew them. These players are blessed and Fisher, like stackhouse stated shut up and let real agents take care of this. 50-50 should be taken by players, but they could ask for things they want to make this deal work. Take the money and run. NBA players need to realize they are nothing but employees to much richer wealthier men.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    LRMG: the last two times the NFL decertified, they got the owners to radically lower their offers. They didn’t get “reamed” they met in the middle. Which is how CBA negotiations should go.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    “50-50 should be taken by players, but they could ask for things they want to make this deal work.”
    Proof… Proof The Seed has the IQ of a hippo.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    I think a lot of you are missing the point that most of these guys – even the ‘second tier’ players – have other jobs to keep their money coming in, like restaurants, car washes, stock exchange portfolios (and gambling, let’s not forget that) and can actually afford to lose a season. The ones that don’t are the ones most likely to get bread winning jobs in Europe and Asia. They don’t have anywhere near as much to lose by turning this offer down as you seem to think.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No, a lot of guys have families so traveling out of the country is not necessarily an option. And their businesses if they have or invested in them are likely struggling, because just about every business is, if not failing. But yes, veterans should have plenty of money to survive a year or two or more without the league, but that is still not the norm. You make more money, you spend more money. Im pretty sure that’s the general idea of our economic system.

  • Johhny Blaze

    ^Co-sign!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man the owners want to have players get busted down to the d league at any point during the first five years AND decrease their salaries when they do it.
    plus eliminate sign and trades for taxpayers, increase the age limit and some other new stuff. It is crazy. They didn’t give any ground.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    This deal isn’t really good by any stretch to me, but seriously what really makes the players think if they don’t accept this deal that Darth Stern and the owners will offer a better one?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    It depends on the strength of the Players Association & Star Players United Stand against the owners. The League is worthless to every owner without its best players. Essentially the threat of losing Kobe, LeBron & Co (or a victory in the court room) is the only way the players are going to win back any leverage. If the player reps let this go to a leaguewide vote though, this lockout is over.

  • Jorge

    Kilo thinks anyone who sides with owners are Fox fans, evil, and probably white? Amazing how it’s only ok for people him to have a opioion and no one else! Bottom lone if I’m an owner I have a right to spend what ever I want. It’s their right. They bought the team and no one else! I don’t see why the players have the right to give orders. If they don’t like buy their own team…oh wait Jordan did and he now sides with the owners!

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    BlackPhantom: Do you know the danger the owners face if the players take this to court?
    This seems foolish for the OWNERS.
    They got the vast majority of changes…. they can now start the season and lose absolutely no money…
    Now they players will decertify and take this to court, the season is going to be cancelled REGARDLESS so there would be no more card for the owners to play.. and if the courts rule even ONE aspect of the NBA is doing business like a monopoly, the players now have MASSIVE negotiation power, ie “if you want to agree to free agency, something the courts considered illegal, you must agree to our demands!”
    I don’t understand the owners on this one. They got a 50-50 split. They made big system changes. I don’t get it. Why can’t they let the players have the last leg on this and start the season and not losing a combined multiple billion dollars?

  • jayb

    the deal is not great but it is the best that is going to get offered..take the deal..i want kobe on xmas day!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Jukai, so basically if the players take this deal they’d end up doing the owners a huge favor in the long run and the owners will have dodged a huge bullet?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    @Jukai
    Obviously the players are dumb, being led by Fisher, you take the split, ask for things you want and move on. Alot of these cats would be nothing with basketball, lets just keep it real. Also if Stern is telling you the deal will get worst and worst, why play with fire. These cats have the IQ of you. When you do deals you get what you can get, then you keep it moving for the established goal. Fisher is a role player, who cannot lead in my opinion. Players are screwed if thinking they deserve more. BOOK IT!!

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    When a player is being shopped by another team, I think it would be beneficial for everyone if the 29 other teams could be potential trade destinations, and not just the first two years, but for the life of the next CBA. There could be assets on those tax paying teams that would be appealing to a team shopping a player. If I’m the players, I’d even consider giving the owners a franchise tag, which can’t be used more than 2 years in a row, just to get a few more system changes. Create two kinds of franchise tags like the NFL has: exclusive rights franchise tag and non-exclusive rights franchise tag. Maybe the players would never go for a franchise tag, but to get some more system changes it might be worth it. The franchise tag would allow owners to keep the players they drafted longer. Bottom line, I just want my NBA back.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    *When a player is being shopped by a team,

  • nbaNw8

    i hate Stern.

  • kjbn

    What option do the players have?

    Could they set up there own league or are they tied to the NBA? Would they get the same kind of contracts of $20m+ a season in a alternative league?

    It’s annoying that NBA seemed to be getting interesting again and now they shot themselves in the foot. Arhhhhhhhhhh!!!

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    DO it go get that money and lets play baby!!!!!

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    Having issues posting :(

  • http://wikipedia.org Eddie1

    NBA players are making me sick..they don’t “want to take a bad deal”..this deal is still better than what NFL players got and their league is doing better..this is why us black people get such a bad rep..cause we are perceived as a whole as not understanding business..we just think we should get everything we want..the NBA could have been better than the NFL if it weren’t for the 99 and this lockout..they just don’t understand that alienating your fans is bad business..i’m 99% on the owners side (only exception: d league thing..im good with being able to send players down but that $75,000 thing is ridiculous)

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    hey eddie, im proud of you for giving a legit post for once. no illuminati stuff. good stuff bro. and good point too. that’s exactly how people perceive the nba players and blacks as a whole.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    The Seed:
    I apologize in advance for the caps.
    YOU ARE A F*CKING IMBECILE. THE PLAYERS DID DROP THEIR DEMANDS DOWN TO 50-50 AND DID ASK FOR SEVERAL THINGS IN RETURN. THE OWNERS GAVE THEM A 10TH OF WHAT THEY ASKED. THAT LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED. THE ARTICLE TALKS ABOUT IT. IS 5050 YOUR BRAIN CELL COUNT???
    Once again, sorry about all that cap lock.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    Oh je-f’ing-sus, this thing gets worse as you go down.
    Yes, it is true. Black Americans are perceived in a negative light by the white majority because basketball players (who apparently are all black) only want to get their salary docked 5% instead of 7% and they don’t want to give up the last remaining remnants of contract flexibility that was taken during the last CBA agreement.
    It is the basketball players fault, and in turn, black America, that there is no NBA season right now. It has nothing to do with the owners are locking them out of their jobs. It has nothing to do with the fact that if the NBA wanted, they could be playing without a CBA, which the NFL and MLB have done in the past. It is those dastardly black basketball players! Why can’t they be SMART like Eddie1 and The Seed and just take a terrible and unfair contract when they have legal alternatives. Just terrible, as a white person, I can’t be more embarrassed.
    Thanks for reminding me why I post less, Eddie and Joey.

  • roo

    Funny thing is that the owner who seems to be driving the hardest bargain is black, i.e. MJ. NBA’s own Orwellian Upright walking pig. The reality is that they should ALL be taking a cut, as we the consumer ultimately pay their wages through through the TV deals paid by the TV commercials paid by the added on marketing costs of the products we buy.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    As soon as the owners “stopped the clock,” and revised their proposal, it created good faith. It’s in the players best interest to accept this latest revised proposal, because that offer is going to be as good as it gets for the players to get back to work. Should the players not be happy with this CBA, they can opt-out in six years, two of which tax paying teams still can make sign and trades. At the end of the day, the players and their agents will only have to deal with 4 years out of the next 6 (if they choose to opt out) that tax paying teams can’t make trades, and some of those current tax paying teams might not be tax paying teams during those 4 years when the grandfather clause expires. Take the deal, and for the next 6 years the players union can better prepare themselves for the next round of negotiations with the owners. Simply put, the clock is stopped, now stop the bleeding. No more negotiations, it’s time to take the deal and get a 72 game season started on Thursday, 12/15/11.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Decertify or die.

  • sadeye2507

    The majority of the players will vote ‘yes’ to the deal. The amount of players below MLE is more than those above it so they would like to be paid

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Shout out to Lord Thomas III…

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    f*ck the owners lets just play ball!

  • Jeremy(Georgia Boy)

    @eddie1 is a NOT black He is white

    If He is white he is a Uncle Tom

  • http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7223340/etan-thomas-questions-nba-labor-negotiations LA Huey

    A lot of uninformed folks making posts like they know what’s going on.

  • shutupallenp

    All this complaining, f the owners f the players, how bout f the fans who keep saying i wont do this i wont do that but are begging for a season. Soon as any deal is reached most “fans” will run back like a jilted lover. These players have real problems, they should do whats best for them, fans will always be there, its just that simple. Take your time guys get the best deal you can no matter how long it takes.
    food for thought mike miller is say an average player more or less, with a 9 million dollar home paying $180,000 in taxes a year. thats just in property tax, they get taxed on the money coming in, can you imagine their tax bracket? they are fighting for their livelihoods and their futures, stay patient and let them do what they gotta do. The rim will still be ten feet and the ball will still be round.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You never know, they could raise the hoops. It has been purposed before.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    HA!

  • shutupallenp

    purposed? i guess i purposed to my wife. lol jk there not gonna raise the rim in my or your life time.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Having just read the leaked proposal they offered the players, I am now firmly on the side of the owners. It’s a reasonable deal, and if they can’t accept it they are simply fulfilling the dumb jock stereotype. Ancillary items aside, the actual deal is sound and fair for both sides.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I know but the players also aren’t going to take the advice you give them in your comments in either of our lifetimes as well.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    omphalos: Why is it a reasonable deal? A reasonable deal would be to make a change that would get the owners out of losing money. The deal the players were offering would get the owners out of losing money. The deal the owners are offering would get them out of losing money then give themselves 300 million in profit. Hmmmm!

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    I mean, I don’t get how this is a reasonable deal. How could anyone even say that? What context are they using that in?
    Must be the whole Republican logic nowadays.

  • GC6

    Euroleage and College ball for me then

  • http://Facebook prince wale

    man! cut da crap .. we wanna watch some NBA.. fix it

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