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Wednesday, November 16th, 2011 at 9:20 am  |  89 responses

Shaq: LeBron James Not a ‘Scientific Dawg’ Like Kobe Bryant


You didn’t think we were done with excerpts from Shaq’s new book, were you? In the latest morsel from the tome, O’Neal compares three of the Hall of Famers he had the fortune of playing with in his career. From the Palm Beach Post: “On the pressure the [Miami Heat] faced, O’Neal writes: ‘LeBron, I think, was ready for it. The other two guys? I’m not sure. DWade is a clutch player, but he doesn’t like all the chatter. He wants good press. Anything negative gets him thinking about the wrong things.’ … Here’s more from Shaq, on the comparison between the two: ‘People ask me all the time: If you had to choose between DWade and LeBron, which would you take? Which one would you make the CEO? It’s really a tough question. LeBron is a better decision maker. DWade will hit more last-second shots. Lots of superstars in their position want and need to take the last shot. LeBron is more of an ‘opportunity’ CEO. He’s not afraid to take the last shot, but he won’t hesitate to pass it to an open Mike Miller either. So where do these two guys measure up against Kobe? Kobe is a scientific dawg. He works out every day, practices every day. Most of the other stars are just dawgs, not scientific dawgs. Me, I’m a freak-of-nature dawg because of my size. LeBron could be a scientific dawg like Kobe, but he’s got a lot going on like I did, so that’s preventing him from being one.’”

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  • Eric

    Yeah what Shaq said lebron is a kitty!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think Shaq could have used another term to compare the players instead of “scientific”.

  • http://nba.com/celtics lights out

    Shaq makes an interesting point at the very end when he compares LeBron to himself. Are players who are blessed with bodies so incredible as to be enough to allow a player to dominate also kind of cursed, since it takes a way the need to develop their fundamentals to the max?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    In Shaq’s comparison to Lebron, it’s fair to say that there is a similarity as it took Shaq 9 seasons to win his first title and was swept in a Finals series like Bron was before finding success.

  • Yesse

    This is why Shaq has the best quotes of all time.

  • http://itsDapsYO itsDapsYO

    @ lights out… perhaps what Shaq meant by “he has a lot going on like i did” is that LeBron has a ton of things going on off the court (i.e Shaq did movies etc)

  • http://nba.com/celtics lights out

    good point, Eboy. people forget that about shaq.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    It took Shaq 8 seasons to win his first title.

  • Drob

    Shaq makes a good point there, I keep telling Kats LBJ is really physically gifted like that and the time he should take to get the next level he’s using it to become the next Arnold Governator…

  • http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-a-feldman/the-legal-issues-behind-t_2_b_1081107.html Allenp

    LeBron is nowhere near as lazy as Shaq. Exactly what did Shaq improve at during his entire career? He just waited for all the good centers to get old, then dominated.
    LeBron has actually improved. Nobody is on Kobe’s level, at least that we know about, but comparing LeBron’s work ethic to Shaq’s is unfair.

  • jayb

    interesting comments on dwade..does not like drama..as per bron..yeah he has a lot going on! i get it but mj always had a ton going on off the court.he still seemed to find time to work out for 12 hours a day…is it just me? not hating on bron. as per the finals what is ..it is…bron choked. one game i get but not three. sorry! whenever the nba gets back we will see if bron has a killer instinct. i hope for his detractors he does! kobe is kobe..read somewhere he would be out with foxy back in the day…left at 1am and was up to workout at 5 or something like that..few athletes put time into it like that!

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Kobe’s work ethic is legendary… but we all knew that right?

  • Mburb321

    In two more weeks we prob would of read the book from front to back just by these excerpts.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    This is interesting, though I’m laughing at the useage of “dawg” versus “scientific dawg”. I’m surprised about the Wade quote though, I was under the impression (especially based on last year, and the Finals) that it was Lebron wasn’t mentally prepared for the backlash while Wade reveled in it.

  • burnt_chicken

    THAT’S the AllenP I remember! Not this new guy I agree with. Hey P: how did rookie Shaq do against in-his-prime Ewing? DRob? Hey? Pre-zactly.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    We already knew this too. Except a scientific dog is probably the dumbest description possible.

  • LA Huey

    “Exactly what did Shaq improve at during his entire career?” His quotatiousness.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lmaoooo @ LA Huey!

  • trotsky182

    This guy puts plato and shakespeare to shame.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man Shaq got swept by Robinson, swept by Hakeem and beat by Ewing.
    Yeah, he had some success against them, but ultimately, despite being surrounded by great talent, he kept failing until they all got old.
    Shaq never won a ring against a dominant center. Hell, he didn’t even win a game the one time he got the Finals against a dominant center.
    Despite having Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Kobe and Elden Campbell on his team, not to mention some other good role players, he was getting SWEPT regularly.
    He has only won rings with All-NBA caliber guards in Kobe, Penny and Wade. At what point do people start to really examine some of Shaq’s claims? He was a BEAST. But, he was also lazy, petulant and petty. His saving grace was that he was at his worst when he played alongside another player who was amazingly an even worse human.

  • burnt_chicken

    also: what do you really need to improve on when you come into the league as a BETTER THAN 20/10 ROOKIE? (23.4/13.9) AllenP, take a second to look at the career stats of a legend before you break out the bombastic foolishness.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    So you’re telling me that BGriff doesn’t need to improve his game coming off a 22/12 rookie season?

  • burnt_chicken

    i didn’t mention Hakeem because you would have rightly killed me on that. The Dream was unbelievable then. Remember what he did in the Conference Finals? A young Shaq – or anyone else- didn’t stand much of a chance. And that Magic Finals squad had what? a second year point (albeit a ridiculously talented one) and very minimal depth. You know this.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He could have been the best center of all time. That’s how

  • burnt_chicken

    ….and Nick Anderson as a starter. This cannot be overstated.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that’s what* should have motivated him to get better. My bad, got distracted at work and absent-mindidly pressed submit before I was done typing.

  • Mburb321

    Totally off topic but after refreshing my memory watching hardwood classics anyone else feel Clyde was more athletic then MJ, dude was seriously flying and sprinting all over the place

  • manu

    who cares if shaq got swept by robinson when he was just gettin started wit LA….look what happened the next 3 years lmao robinson n duncan together got ripped a new one

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    Shaq dominated, but by the time he won the MVP and won the championship, all the good centers were past their primes and the KG/Duncan/AI/Kobe era was underway. The only close competitor to Shaq was ‘Zo and even he wasn’t close to Shaq’s level. This is apparent when you realize that the centers he went up against were Rik Smiths (past his prime), Todd Mcullough (sp; also, a scrub), and Dikembe Mutombo. I was most impressed with what he did against Mutombo because he had won DPOY that year, but lets not forget that Shaq had at least a 100 lbs on him at the time and was throwing him around like a doll. There were instances in the 2001 Finals when Shaq would back Mutombo down and Dikembe’s feet would fly off the ground while trying to maintain his stance. Oh, and the elbows.

  • MikeC.

    Nick Anderson was a very solid player and a borderline All-Star prior to his FT meltdown in the Finals against Houston. Horace Grant was an All-Star and in his prime when he played with Shaq in Orlando. The youth and inexperience of the top-2 combined with Houston’s experience and hunger (and the Dream Shake) is what doomed Shaq’s run with the Magic.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    Shaq could have been the best center ever, but being a top 10 of all-time isn’t exactly what I would call a bad career. If he worked out more consistently and didn’t rely on being a freak of nature as his primary skill-set, then he easily could have been the best. We can’t go back in history and put him up against a prime Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, or Wilt, Russ, Kareem etc. It’s not Shaqs fault that he didn’t regularly battle other top centers throughout his career – I liked Vlade but would never call him elite, unless flopping is an elite skill. Shaq likely would have put in more work and would have been a ‘scientific dawg’ if he had someone out there to push him on the court. But when he came into the league and was being compared to Wilt, and doing rap albums (which actually not as bad as he got credit for), movies (terrible) etc, he made a brand of himself that earned him a lot more money and fame than if he was ‘just’ a basketball player. Kobe on the other hand didn’t come into the league with the comparisons to legendary hall of famers, nor did he have the personality/charisma to do the movies, tv shows, albums etc. Essentially Kobe was a nerd who studied basketball all the time, just like other nerds may do nothing more than do chemestry or physics. Not hanging out with teammates and not having many friends was a sacrafice that kobe was willing to make in order to be the player he has become and to earn comparisons to MJ. Shaq, had a very differnt path. Shaq could have been better while Kobe reached his peak. To late now to worry about ‘what if’ scenarios for Shaq now.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    Shaq, like Lebron today, was more concerned about the other stuff outside of basketball. He loved basketball, but he also loved movies, acting, people, and having a good time. Kobe, on the other hand, loves basketball first, his wife second, his daughters, and then everything else is optional or not a necessity. He wasn’t blessed with the freakish genes or body types of Lebron and Shaq and worked harder as a result.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “Kobe, on the other hand, loves basketball first, his wife second, his daughters, and then everything else is optional or not a necessity. He wasn’t blessed with the freakish genes or body types of Lebron and Shaq and worked harder as a result.” – LMAO, you & a lot of the people you know are 6’6″ with world class athletic ability……? Didn’t think so. Kobe is blessed with freakish athletic genes & body type, and a freakish work ethic. But you do sound like his biggest fan. So that’s fun

  • Mburb321

    He said because he had a lot going on he couldn’t be a workaholic. As if his work ethic had to compromise with his off court interests. The problem is Shaq based his “brand” around his charisma. Kobes brand is arguable already worth much more then shaqs and he built his on his work ethic. You guys that are saying top 10 center isnt bad are retarded. For Shaq who had the ability to go down as not the best center ever but the best player ever,top 10 center is a big underachievement so stop making excuses!

  • blackthought

    shaqs always bashing guys with style – best quote-maker ever!

  • MikeC.

    People saying Shaq didn’t have time to work on his game because he was working on his brand are ridiculous. When MJ was shooting Space Jam, dude had a full gym and court built on the set so he could work out and get in full-court runs without having to leave the set. He didn’t want to compromise either venture. There’s no reason Shaq couldn’t have had a treadmill on the set of Kazaam.

  • burnt_chicken

    Ohhh so you think Shaq didn’t produce in the playoffs? I respect you enough to not paste his career playoff stats here, due to the embarrassment the obvious nature of those ridiculous numbers may cause. Shaq showed up in the playoffs–enough so to warrant Finals MVP THREE FREAKING TIMES. You can’t fade a first ballot HOF’er like that-especially by calling him out as a selfish, petty person. Seeing as he is/was a pro athlete. Unless you want to call out Jordan, Bird and about 90% of all pro athletes. Also: If Shaq was such a cancer-why were so many stars always trying to recruit him? Even when he was clearly looooooonng past his prime? You know as well as I do, Mr P. Look, normally I am tremendously entertained by your writing persona/character/facade/thing but the mask is on crooked this time. You are flat-out, 100% wrong when you say that Shaq “just waited for all the good centers to get old, then dominated”. You cannot fairly tarnish him with that. Ever.

  • Heals

    I wanna see all the Kob ryders that got their feathers ruffled by Shaq’s past quotes on Mamba say that Shaq doesn’t know what he’s talking about now like they did then. You guys can’t have it both ways…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just as an aside…..Shaq did win 4 rings and his teams made 6 Finals and he won 3 Finals MVP’s. I mean, if ultimate winning is a major part of the greatness gauge, the Diesel was full.

  • Heals

    Finally something to disagree on Allen! DRob also got handled by Shaq too (with Duncan at his side I believe), Hakeem and his career arcs weren’t on a pace that would ever had made a match-up of players in their primes and Ewing is similar. The same could be said about Shaq, modern C’s only bested him at the tail end of his career. There have been several instances in recent years when Shaq does more than hold his own with DH12, Yao, and whoever when head-to-head depite his declining skills and athleticism. You are grossly underestimating the impact that seeing Shaq on the opposing side did to fans and players alike. It doesn’t matter if he didn’t beat a HOF center to win his rings, that isn’t on him (As a diehard Celts fan I don’t care who was matched-up with him at the C position during their 3-peat, nobody was beating those Laker squads which he as the anchor and leader of). At the beginning of this season he was playing on par with any C other than DH12 and even though the position on the whole is on the decline he was a shell of the player he used to be. Allen you should know it’s all about timing of primes in careers and at his prime Diesel was the cat’s meow. Burnt_chicken, I dunno I’d go with well_done at this point. OTB = off the backboard?…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    “scientific dawg”

  • LA Huey

    Shaq was kinda lazy, guys. Not sure what’s wrong with admitting that. He routinely came into training camp out of shape. I understand the need to recoup during the offseason and most guys do. Normally, it’s 2-3 weeks off after their season ends and then they work out anywhere from 3-5 hours a day 5 times a week. That might not build upon your skill set but it should at least maintain what you exited the previous season with.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He was obviously lazy. I read a story a few years ago that said Shaq admitted to working on MMA more in the off-season then Free Throw Shooting.

  • LA Huey

    And for the other side of the debate, did Shaq leave us wanting more? Probably. But if you check his accolades, he terrorized the league enough as it was. And frankly, as a Laker-hater, I’m so glad he didn’t have the work ethic to develop a 70% clip from the free throw line or the humility to take a 1A or 1B role.

  • Mburb321

    Of course hes lazy,Ira wrote an article about what really lead to Shaq departure from the heat. It wasnt his little fight with pat, it was already in the works LONG before that. Numerous players and staff told him how Shaq use to horse play in the locker room hours before the game and then right before tip off he would tell the trainers “nah, cant go, toe hurts to much.” That pissed off a lot of players and execs and once the season was going bad he pretty much checked out.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I never read that article. If that is true about Shaq in Miami then that makes me even more angry. He went there, proved he was still the best Center in the league (and most effective player) and then just gave up. What a douchebag

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    @nbk – Kobe had great athletic ability, but he was never head and shoulders above the pack when it comes to athleticism like say, JR Smith or Lebron James. Lebron is a once in a generation body type. 6’6 guys are more common than 6’8 beasts with the speed of a point guard.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe is 6’6″, with guard speed and enough athleticism to win a dunk contest. His work ethic is unmatched, but he also was head and shoulders a better athlete then 90% of the NBA

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Kobe in his prime years was one of the best athletes in the L. His athleticism had allot to do with his development. His work ethic is why he is still able to do the things he does and is arguably a top 3 player in the L even at his ripe age today. LbJ puts work in, that much is certain. Ten fold that of Shaq’s lazy a$$. But Kobe is only rivaled by a few in the history of the L in overall work ethic.

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    “He has only won rings with All-NBA caliber guards in Kobe, Penny and Wade. At what point do people start to really examine some of Shaq’s claims? He was a BEAST. But, he was also lazy, petulant and petty. His saving grace was that he was at his worst when he played alongside another player who was amazingly an even worse human.”
    Damn!
    DAMN!
    Shots fired!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I miss commenting…

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    Whoa whoa whoa… WHOA… hold up….
    “Kobe, on the other hand, loves basketball first, his wife second, his daughters, and then everything else is optional or not a necessity.”
    Yeah, he is forever faithful to his wife. Can’t believe people just let that one pass.
    Kobe was one of the most athletically gifted players in the NBA. Just because he isn’t a Lebron James or a Vince Carter, doesn’t mean he was a Chauncy Billups. Kobe was super explosive, super quick, had ups for DAYS and was deceptively powerful. Don’t let his superior skill fool you.

  • Heals

    Lakeshow, “But Kobe is only rivaled by a few in the history of the L in overall work ethic.” – I disagree only so slightly. To me Kob is exceptionally talented and especially adept at adding to his arsenal. Plety of guys in the L’s history/currently work just as strenuously, just as focused, but he is able to translate it to actual game situations others simply can’t. I’m not saying you are, but many everyday people severely underestimate how hard these guys work…

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    cosign jukai.. maybe I’m tripping but I think back in the day kobe was just a step or two down from vince carter in terms of athleticism.. probably on about tracy mcgrady or penny hardaway’s level

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Y’all missed part of my point.
    We can say that Shaq failed against the best because, drumroll please, HE DID!
    Hakeem got drafted in 84, that means he was eight years into his career when Shaq was a rookie and only 11 years deep when they met in the playoffs. That was his prime. Hakeem won.
    Robinson was in his prime when he was handling the Lakers too. Remember, Shaq spent four years in L.A. before he got to the Finals, losing to the Spurs and the freaking JAZZ! Who played center for the freaking Jazz!
    Shaq was great, and unstoppable. But, just like Dwight, he wasn’t going against the best when he was at his best. He just wasn’t.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    cosign Jukai and them saying Kobe was athletically gifted. Any cat who wins the nba dunk contest is a beast athletically. Shaq is just lazy yo, the dude has lost a lot of my respect recently.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Burnt Chicken
    You see it your way, I see it mine.
    Shaq dominated the League when his position was waning in strength.
    This wasn’t like Hakeem running the freaking gauntlet of big men. I never said Shaq wasn’t great, or a beast or dominant. I just pointed out that his claims to be like LeBron are stupid. LeBron clearly works on his game. He’s improved VASTLY since he first came in the League. Statistically, Shaq’s best season might have been his rookie year as far as overall game!
    That is a problem. I’ve examined Shaq’s stats closely, trust me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    As good as Shaq thinks he was, he should have been carrying teams like Hakeem and Ewing.
    Did you ever take a chance to look at the rosters those two cats were carrying to the playoffs and Finals?
    Man, Shaq has been blessed with EXCEPTIONAL talent.
    The funny thing is, I argued this point from almost the exact opposite position recently when debating with somebody about whether Kobe was better than Shaq. It’s not that I think Shaq was a bum, he wasn’t. But I also think that he didn’t have great success against the top players at his position.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Shaq stuck to his strengths, literally, he didnt need to become dirk because he was already unstoppable with no jumper or anything. And lebron got beat in the finals twice, while shaq was only beat once, and didnt perform nearly as bad as lebrons first or second appearance.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Actually Shaq lost twice in the finals (vs Hou and Det).
    AllenP, I have to disagree with you on Shaq’s rookie season being his best overall. The guy avg. 29ppg on damn near 60% shooting during his 2nd and 3rd seasons. He also avg. 29/13/3 in ’00 with the lakers.
    Regardless of whether or not Shaq was lazy, the guy in his prime was the most dominant force the League has seen since Wilt and when you are comparable to someone of Wilt’s stature, you’re a bad motherf*cker.

  • Rainman

    Did he say LEBRON was Ready for it and WADE wasnt? Really Shaq? REALLY? really? come on

  • Rainman

    His best Rebounding season and (i think) Blocking season was in his rookei year, had dude worked at his game(like EVERYONE COMMENTING before me has already said) and not been lazy, he cuda easily been the greatest center ever.

  • http://gmail.com z

    Lotta arguing bout nothing on this thread, nbk and otb are both right in essence. Kob’s more athletic than 90% of the league (not anymore, of course), while being arguably the best\hardest working practice player ever (whatever, why bother debating that?). Bron on the other hand is more athletic than anyone who’s ever played on the perimeter (maybe?) and is really better compared to centers in terms of the impact his athleticism has on the game. We’re talkin chamberlain, d rob, dwight, and yes shaq type athletic impact. Practice wise, bron obviously puts in work, he’s gotta to be so good an athlete. But either he lacks kobe’s ability to implement that stuff in games or else he’s gotta keep workin on the jumper bc what I saw in the finals from him offensively was, frankly, pretty discouraging. Shaq…simply put, at his best (2001) was the best center of the last 30 years. Dream, cap, ewing, none of em. Shaq woulda f’d them up at his best. That’s why he shoulda been the best ever. He would have been too had he just been more responsible, and willing to try and not be so friggin jealous, selfish, etc. As for shaq’s evaluations of wade and bron and kob: I think he’s got it pretty well figured out.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    To the person who suggested that the Glide was an athletic superior to MJ, i tend to agree. Especially in their respective primes. Drexler was always my fav. Player back tgen, to the point that i was rocking Portland gear in Europe while everyone around me was a Bullsanatic.
    MJ could cut better laterally (he seemed lighter than Clyde) and he had amazing body control, mid-air or on the floor, but Drexler was a damn racehorse and so fluid.
    When they finally met in the Bulls 2nd finals appearance, i was unhappy with how passive Clyde played, especially since the Blazers had already lost a finals to Detroit a few years back.
    PJ’s defensive gameplan, MJ shooting the lights out in gm one, a super active Pippen and Porter, Robinson and Kersey’s tendency to look off him on offence drove me insane.
    Was so glad he got that title with Hakeem, nearly as ecstatic as i was when Dirk got his in June.
    Damn you lockout.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/a-quick-guide-to-the-issues-of-the-nba-lockout/2011/10/11/gIQAon1ZbL_story.html unf*ckwitable

    Lets face it, Shag didnt have the heart to be the GOAT. He had all the tools needed but not the heart.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    @Jukai – I was jokingly speculating that Kobe’s focus is on basketball to the point that family would come second to him. It was a supposed to be a quip at Kobe’s basketball nerdiness, not something to be taken seriously. I realize that Kobe wasn’t a bum athletically, and that he was more athletically gifted than a lot of other players his height. My point was that, among the 3 superstars (Lebron, Shaq, Kobe), Bryant is the *least* genetically gifted, even though his athleticism was off the charts. At no point since he has been in the league has there been a consensus understanding that “Kobe is the most physically gifted player in the league”, unlike how it has been said for Shaq and Lebron. Kobe is gifted athletically, but he isn’t THE guy you point to when you talk about a “physical specimen”. Guys like Howard, Lebron, David Robinson, Shaq, fall into that category.

  • Heals

    It doesn’t matter that Utah had crap at the C position cause they had a HOF pg and pf to with them. Hakeem snagged his rings is MJ’s absence and also lost to those Utah teams too. C’mon homie your using stats to argue his rookie year was his best, but we all know stats are deceiving and that’s crazy when you flesh it out. It’s just not accurate to state his best season was his rookie year when dude took teams to the Finals and won Finals MVP. He was so raw as a rookie that I know you don’t even believe that to be the case. I love when people attack his rebounding stats as if he didn’t try hard. His rebounding numbers dropped off because of the change in the offensive game (power back-to-the-basket) and on defense he’d come over to help thus giving teammates rebounding opportunities. You guys are simplifying his game and overrelying on retrospective statistic impressions in order to diminsh his achievements. I don’t care where he played or who he played against, Shaq was going to get at least 3 rings during his run. How come you guys don’t hold Finals losses against Hakeem, Ewing, Wilt, etc.? He did carry teams like Ewing and Hakeem did you’re just choosing not to see it that way. Look for quotes from people who played against him in his prime instead of judging old stats. Peers know best and his peers where in awe of his ability. Yeah dude was so lazy – I’d like to see another 7 foot 300lbs+ player block a shot, grab the loose ball, dribble around their back, down the court and then finish it with a powerful flush. Diesel was un-effin-real whether heads want to accept it or not…

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    If I had to pick one center from history for my team for a single game, I would choose 2001 Shaq (playoff version). No question. 30/15/2.4 blocks per game (not to mention his numerous 40/20 games) is nothing to sneeze at. He made Robinson (and Duncan, who guarded him during that series in certain stretches) look pedestrian. Shaq DID face decreased competition from centers during his prime, but the Western Conference was loaded during the 2000s with Duncan/KG/Kings/Blazers, all of whom had very formidable teams.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @jtaylor21, I was talking about before he won his first title.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Who’s higher on the all time list so far, Clyde Drexler or Dwyane Wade?

  • http://sportsnickel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/silvastpierre.jpg Jukai

    OTB: You’re right, Kobe has only been in the top-5 most athletic players, not number 1. What struggles Kobe has.
    Teddy: Drexler, but not for long. A year or two, it will be hard to deny Wade that 4th spot.

  • Kadavour

    the skill disparity as it relates to athleticism is evident on EVERY level, and it starts at the bottom. the shortest and quickest guys are trained to be POINT GUARDS, and the bigger kids are TRAINED to work on Mikan drills, rebounding, and work with their backs to the basket. That’s why the emergence of guys like Hakeem, Rasheed, KG, Magic, Dirk is seen as such an anomaly. Lebron falls into that anomaly category too because you expect someone of his size to be more of a bruiser, which he is than someone with a more refined skill set. It shouldn’t be that way though. The way the game is being taught is evolving, and we’re finally accepting some of the practices of guys like MJ and Kobe who truly are complete players. I mentioned very few names, but there are many other guys who do work their asses off and have skill sets that approach complete player levels.

  • Kadavour

    Dwayne will supplant Clyde’s spot on the all-time list. the historians won’t allow it now, but when you look at Dwayne’s dependable 25/5/5 plus his off ball defensive skills, u gotta put him up there. The last SG to get as many blocks as Wade was Tmac.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No guard in history has ever blocked as many shots as Wade in a season.

  • SikhWitIt

    I love it when arm-chair quarterbacks go online and call some of the greatest athletes in the world…”lazy.” It’s pathetic and analytically vacuous but definitive of “sports.”

  • tomtom

    Wooooow @Allenp Really!? What did Shaq do to improve his game? Yeah his fitness sometimes lacked but don’t make the mistake that many make and think he was simply a huge body. He had quality foot work, a variety of shots and had super-human type strength. Non of these things come without work no? People love to think of Shaq as either just a brute or the best of a bad bunch of big men, both opinions are totally baseless. P.S. Very good point @SIKHWITIT and also possibly the best name on the site lol.

  • tomtom

    How true…..@eboy “Just as an aside…..Shaq did win 4 rings and his teams made 6 Finals and he won 3 Finals MVP’s. I mean, if ultimate winning is a major part of the greatness gauge, the Diesel was full.”

  • tomtom

    ONE LAST THING….Kobe only won rings with good big men, Shaq/Pau……Shaq only won chips with great guards kobe/wade….Timmy D only won chips with with Robinson/Manu……Same for Magic, Bird etc etc etc….Michael (weather people like to remember it or not!) only won chips when he picked up one of the most versatile players ever and a star in his own right Pip and a truly great and unique defensive player, Rodman.
    P.s. they all had great coaches!

    The lesson NOBODY WINS A CHIP ALONE. NOBODY. I’M SO TIRED OF HEARING THIS STUFF ABOUT ‘x only won because of y and z’

  • lisa

    THANK YOU!!! @tomtom.. Finally someone agrees with me. MJ was a killer but he had help also. It takes a team to win a chip. For everyone saying Kobe was one of the top athletic players in his prime… That’s bs. If you were to rank players based on athleticism, Kobe wouldn’t be that high. This is going back to Dr.J’s time to now. LeBron is a freak of nature he tops Dr. J and MJ. You add his athleticism with ball handling skills and strength and speed… Too bad he doesn’t have that killer instinct like MJ and Kobe. All players put in work, but none like Kobe and you hear that from Coaches, teammates, and opponents. But I agree with Shaq, LeBron likes to be out too much instead of studying. The great players put in work and it shows up when they step out onto the court.

  • jj122000

    Why is Shaq kissing @$$ now? Shaq in lakers championship runs was 30+pts, 20+rebounds. Kobe was a bench player finally getting to start games. With shaq demanding double/triple teams any SG would of made kobes shots. Kobe was not the determining factor in those title runs. Just like he wasn’t in 2009 or 2010 championships. If shooting the ball whenever it touches your hands is having a killer instinct then kobes got it alright. LeBron went to the Heat and yeah he thought he didn’t have to take control like he did in cleveland and with wade, bosh he shouldn’t have. That’s a mistake he made and I’ll bet he wont make it again. Wade has been in Miami his entire career so it should of been wade taking last shots, leading the team not LeBron or bosh. The Heat are going to surpass expectations before their done.

  • Krazy8twofour

    Allenp- shaq disnt win anything with penny. Are u talking about blue chips? Get your facts straightened out. Swept in the finals by Hakeem and not the admiral or beaten by Ewing. Are u for real?

  • AqWord

    philosophising’ like a mo of. :-) . I think Bron is just as Scienific DAWG !

  • Charles Breen

    shaq is stupid. There he goes trying to talk about himself “freak of nature” …stfu shaq

  • Brando

    Shaq whatever his achievements, which are great, is a prick unfortunately. I like him but he should shut up. Not enough efforts during his career despite his greatness and achievements. Too much stubbornness, selfishness and onanism. (i Look good, I am great I want to fck myself, Kazaam is a great movie…) He likes to jerk off stating he is the best whatever the opposition (Kobe, Wilt, Kareem, Jordan and co.). But he lacks humility and so is condemned to look/sound like a witty/funny but pathetic brainy guy.

  • Brando

    and this guy is very intelligent I am pretty sure of that…
    Even more pathetic in manu ways

  • Brando

    Shaq has charisma
    but has no clue how to properly use it.
    You are not great unless you feel compelled to proclaim it every time you can.
    He should talk to Grant Hill to get some insight, even if Shaq’s career is 10 times more impressive …
    Barkley is in the same bag. Witty guy, Witty guy. But he should try to listen to himself. He would probably feel clever and stupid at the same time.

  • Yesse

    I agree with jj1220000.

  • Wendy

    Shaq had an amazing fadeaway-hook and tremendous footwork, so he still could score even when opponents kept him a couple feet from the basket (unlike Dwight Howard who is just… dunks). Not Hakeem-like of course, but combined with his brute force, it made him unstoppable in his days.

  • http://Google.com Dame

    Shaq cant beat bron so y he tlkin

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