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Thursday, December 15th, 2011 at 8:55 am  |  123 responses

Bulls Ink Rip Hamilton to 2-Year Deal


The Chicago Bulls have taken a step to fill their seemingly always-vacant shooting guard spot, signing veteran Rip Hamilton to a deal after many months of hinting at the potential to do so. The ex-Piston and one-time NBA champion will join Derrick Rose in Chicago’s backcourt. According to ESPNChicago.com, he is expected at practice today: ”Former Detroit Pistons All-Star Rip Hamilton signed with the Chicago Bulls, the team announced Wednesday night. He is expected to practice with his new team on Thursday, according to a league source. ”He’ll have to answer all of (the questions) right now,” Derrick Rose said, laughing. “He’s someone Chicago’s been asking for, a two. I guess, a legit two. He’s won a championship and his resume speak for itself.” Hamilton will be formally introduced after Thursday’s practice…The Pistons waived Hamilton, 33, on Monday after nine seasons in Detroit. Terms of the deal were not announced, although the Chicago Tribune reported Hamilton will sign a two-year deal for $10 million, and the third year is a team option with partial guarantees on $5,150,000.”

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  • BasketballJunkie

    Solid move by my Bulls! Now if we can trade Boozer for a real PF we would be dominant! 50-16, 2011-2012 NBA Champs…..

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Good signing for them.

  • Lew alcindor

    your real PF is ty gibson

  • Lew alcindor

    taj* damn autocorrect…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Perfect fit

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Co-sign Wayno, very excited for this season. Hope he plays on friday, I think he will, judging by Thibodeau’s quotes on ‘new signings’ yesterday.

  • DreDay

    Agree with Lew.

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    Wow, great signing by the Bulls. Really great signing. They got him for cheap too, damn. Rose-Hamilton-Deng-Boozer-Noah is a hell of a lineup… certainly not paper champion status, but they have the pieces to shock a lot of people.

  • BasketballJunkie

    Yea Taj is a beast! But i wish we could trade Boozer for David Lee or Kevin Love. Josh Smith would be a nice fit too

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Nice, nice.
    Good fit, and that bit of championship experience is going to be valuable.
    Look for Rip to be at around 16-17 ppg, maybe abit less depending on how they go.
    Some high percentages aswell. A lot more open looks.

  • EtheKnickFan

    As a knick fan I must admit, this is one damn good “works for everybody” move by bulls management. Decision makers handled they business with this one.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    I was wanting him on the bulls last season. But this does absolutely nothing for the bulls. I mean, except solidify thier sg position more! Good job by the bulls front office.

  • bull22

    good enigmatic got his wish so i dont have read the entire season about complaining we dont have a shooting guard..

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    I never wished for Rip Hamilton.
    Every time his name came up, last year and this year, I said I wasn’t interested.
    He’s starting to grow on me though so maybe you won’t have to read my “complaints” after all.
    For a Bulls fan, though, for you to think we were set at shooting guard with Bogans as our starting 2, yeah…
    Course you’re the same dude who comes to POPCORN KERNEL MUSCLES’ rescue whenever anyone criticized his performance last year too.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Even though he’s about to turn 34, I still consider this a solid signing. His veteran experience will go a long way. Although with that kind of money, I kind of wish the Bulls tried to go for Reggie Williams.

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    Reggie Williams over Rip Hamilton? Really?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    3 years of Rip at 5Mill a year? And you got Korver, Brewer, Bogans still on the roster? I don’t at all like this signing. Not even a little.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would have taken Reggie Williams over Rip every day of every week.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How much better does this move make the bulls? I know Rip is a better shooter/scorer (from mid-range) than Bogans but he similar to Deng in that he scores off screens. I thought what the bulls needed was a guy that could create his own shot.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    They will regret not going after Nick Young like I suggested.
    Rip is an upgrade though, a nice one. They can run some nice set plays for him, and he can hit jumpers when he’s left alone. The only problem is that he can’t create too many shots off the bounce, but that’s not going to hurt them against any team except for possibly Miami. It was an all around good move.
    Brewer can and Korver can slide between the two and three, now they can shorten Deng’s minutes.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Reggie Williams got inked with the Bobcats for a 2 year $5Million deal. That’s half for the price of Rip Hamilton. But my main point was that he is (a lot) younger and could grow with the team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, isn’t the whole purpose of adding players too improve on last year? If this doesn’t help you beat the only team that stopped you last year, what’s the point?

  • slamfan4life

    Rips 3rd year is a team option i believe; love the move by the bulls

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Allen and JTaylor pointed out exactly why I wasn’t thrilled with this.
    Rip is obviously a good player and good scorer, but the Bulls really needed that guy that could create a shot for himself, or possibly for others too, to take some of that burden off Rose.
    Especially against Miami, you want a guy that will be capable of scoring on his own if LeBron has Rose bottled up again.
    I thought Jamal Crawford would be that guy.

  • shawn

    The bulls will improve would have been a better team then they were last year without rip do you people think all those 23 and 24year old player have peaked? rip adds veteran leadership and another player that has to be guarded that means rose gets less double and triple teamed that in itself improve the bulls.people it took Jordan and Scottie three years to beat the bad boys and they only added bill Cartwright and had to give up Charles Oakley for that, they have a chance it was 4 to 1 however those game came down to the last 5min rip could be the difference maker.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    They have a better shot to beat Miami then they did without Rip.
    And, he’s a cheaper and less risky option than Nick Young, who I wanted because I believe he can score on anybody in the League, and proved that by giving Wade 40 last year.
    Plus, the Bulls still play great defense, Noah is healthy and Boozer is healthy. Rose will have improved even more. With Rip they have a guy who fits their culture defensively, and can play offense particularly as a stand still shooter.
    That means teams will be less willing to leave him to double Rose, and it means every play doesn’t have to involve a pick and roll for Rose.
    It’s a very good decision and they CAN beat Miami. But, I wanted to see what they would have done with Nick Young. Dude can hoop, but his mind might not be right. It’s a high risk/high reward signing.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    though i liked nick young, he just seem a little too run and gun to play within thibs offense, same went for jr smith or crawford. but i suppose thats what the bulls needed at times.
    though im not exactiy thrilled with the rip signing, its a solid move.
    still wished the bulls had a caron though, but still, good signing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t see Rip Hamilton being the piece that pushes them passed Miami. He is not the defender he used to be, and even then he was only average. His jumper (ability to get an open jumper) isn’t what it used to be either. He’s basically a more athletic, cross of Kyle Korver & Keith Bogans. Except he can’t shoot like Korver, or defend like Bogans.

  • Waggle

    The BUlls should pick up Flip Murray imo..strong one on one player

  • http://bulls.com airs

    for a ‘shooter’ korver was a bit of a letdown me last year

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I don’t mind this signing. The contract is for 2 years @ $5mil with a club option for the third. The Bulls don’t NEED someone who can create their own shot…they just needed another player that could score and space the floor. As long as rip can hit that mid range shot when Rose is being double teamed, he’s worth the money. Rip doesn’t need to beat wade off the dribble. As long as he can create some space off a screen and get a shot off, he’ll be fine. I don’t know the stat (nbk help me out) but the Bulls won something like 85% of their games when Bogans scored 6 or more? All we need from Rip is him to run around; get the opposing team’s defender tired, make him work; and score around 12 points a game. Defenders are going to have to chase Rip, watch out for a cutting Deng, and be active on the glass to keep Noah from putting back everything around the rim. There’s not a single player in the league that can contain Rose for an entire game one on one, including Lebron. Whenever the other teams send help, the bulls have a much better chance of making them pay now.
    And as sloppy as he was last year, Boozer looks like he recommitted himself over the offseason. He’s healed up and about 30 lbs lighter. Maybe he can redeem himself this year. Plus we have Jimmy Butler and Ronnie Brewer coming off the bench to clamp down on defense and just make opposing swing men’s lives miserable. I think the season looks promising for the Bulls….and they didn’t need to blow up their team to do it.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    reggie williams? nick young? yea they can score on bad teams but neither of them never been to the playoffs. especially deep in the playoffs. rip isnt th elong term answer for for a season or 2 he can definitely help and YOU KNOW he is going to bring it in the playoffs. all the bulls need is about 12 or 14 points out of him

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    airs – I think him being the only reliable 3 point shooter on the floor had a lot to do with it. Teams were able to focus in on him. Adding another shooter like Rip should help Korver as much as anyone. Having to guard both of those guys at the same time running off of screens will not be easy. Granted, all of my comments are assuming Rip still has some game left. He didn’t show much last year.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    ..and will ppl stop with the miami thing. since that series id swear miami blew the bulls out by 20 every game. Lol i mean th eonly blwout was game 1. every other game came to the last minutes and were matter of possessions

  • bull22

    @enigmatic of course i have to come to their defense, you being an ex-marine know to deal with the hand that is dealt to you, and believe me i was with you and all these other cats that were disappointed with boozer’s performance. and me personally disapppointed with noah’s too.. but now that hamilton is on the team and boozer and noah are healthy, no more excuses for poor performances in playoffs, my hope is since no one is picking us to do jack that we shock some people.

  • bull22

    the positive is the bulls held the heat to an average of under 90 a game
    and it took the collective effort of the big three to defeat one derrick rose and the bulls and series could have easily gone the other way with a few breaks…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Nick Young and Reggie Williams are much much better scorers than Rip Hamilton at this point. Them not being to the playoffs doesn’t change the fact that they are scorers, it’s what they do. Reggie Williams led the nation in scoring for 3 straight years in college, he scored at a slightly lower rate (less shot attempts) per minute than Hamilton last year, but was more efficient and productive everywhere else. Nick Young is just flat out a better scorer.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Nick Young was not an option. Wizards would have matched any deal. He was more money than he is worth. Plus those guys don’t even attempt to play defense.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Rip can score well within the flow of the game. He helps the scoring without taking the ball out of Rose’s hands.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The problem with “Rip can score in the flow of the game” – He can, but at >45%. Your getting rid of a better defender for a slightly better chance to score. And Hamilton has to run off picks to get good looks, it’s not like he is a spot up 3pt shooter (career .347% – only shot above 38% 3 times in his career), so in order for him to “score in the flow of a game” you have to run plays specifically for him.

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    Nick Young is one thing, he’s kind of an underrated star. But Reggie Williams? Seriously Reggie Williams?

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    dude i never seen nick young or reggie williams in any kind of big game or pressure situation. i have rip. the bulls are trying to win a championship. nick young and reggie williams never been to the playoffs

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree that Nick Young is horrible on defense. It was my belief that a change in culture would benefit him as a player.
    Washington has too many knuckleheads, Chicago is a serious organization. Even its young players are serious. Noah and Rose and Deng would get Young in line, along with Thibs.
    And he would have the green light. He would be told, “go get buckets and play defense.”
    That’s all they need him to do. We all agree he can do one, and the I believe he could have improved at the other.
    There is nowhere on the court where Nick Young is not dangerous. I’m not saying dude is great, or an all-star, but I am saying that nobody in the League can ignore him on the floor if he’s getting touches and minutes. And even when he’s getting defensive attention, he can STILL destroy a team. I watched that game against Wade. Wade was trying hard and could do NOTHING with Young. Dude gets up for big games and with the Bulls every game would have had more weight.
    I know Reggie Wiliams can score, but I can’t debate whether he would have been a better move.
    Chicago is straight. They and Miami should battle for a trip to the Finals. The Bulls can win if Miami hasn’t improved enough. But, if both teams have improved at the close to the same rate, I would still take Miami.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rip Hamilton makes you a championship team? Say that to yourself, think about it. And come back, let me know if you’d rather have a 25 year old who will get better with your team. Or a 34 year old who is getting worse everyday.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Reggie Williams can score with anyone. It’s hard to show that off playing behind/next to Monta Ellis, especially with Steph Curry & David Lee handling the majority of the other possessions.

  • bull22

    @yada, correct we are trying to win a title. those cats nick young and reggie williams have ability but we dont need no more lack of playoff experience..
    this is a great move by the bulls and some are not going to agree.. too bad for them.. heat is not unbeatable..

  • robb

    Reggie Williams is a very good scorer IDK why some of you think Rip is head and shoulders above him. Sure Rip has a ring and is experienced but Reggie is good. He’s underrated.

  • doe

    Rip is a great all around player!

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    nbk: it’s hard to show that when you only average nine points. Come on now…

  • LA Huey

    I think this is a good signing but won’t put them over Miami. He’ll be a valuable, steady veteran presence in the locker room/huddles and fit in well with their defensive culture. However, he’s not a good 3 point shooter and (as others have noted) can’t create his own shot. So he’s not adding too much offensively.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai, he played 32MPG as a rookie and averaged 15PPG. Played 20MPG and averaged 9PPG last season because he was logjammed behind Dorrel Wright, Monta Ellis. And he shot 42% from 3. He led the nation in scoring his last 2 years of college and averaged 28PPG. I think it’s pretty obvious he can score.

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    I guess Chicago wanted a proven ‘winner’. Nick Young isn’t a winner, and not just because he’s on crappy lottery teams, but the guy’s overall attitude. He can score, but I guess Chicago brass doesn’t want that kind of person on the team.
    All that being said, I cosign with all 87 of you – the Bulls need someone (else) who can create off the dribble. How is Rip gonna score when Miami wings clamp down in the playoffs?
    But, NBA execs have long misunderstood what it means to create your own shot

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jamal Crawford to sign with Portland, 2 years, $10M — second year is an option.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    @Bull22 – “No such thing as an Ex-Marine”, “Once a Marine, always a Marine” and all that other good stuff.
    You’re right, the media and such are making the Bulls’ name taste like a** when they speak it, pretty much sounding as if a 62 win team is an afterthought despite not losing a single important contributor except for Kurt Thomas, who was huge when Noah went down.
    But my thing is, in regards to you saying I was complaining all of last year, I mean, isn’t that what fans do?
    What fan of any team has ever been 100% satisfied with their team?
    Even on the Bulls’ 72-10 squad, I still yelled at the TV whenever Luc Longley dropped a pass or Dickey Simpkins did…anything.  
    I don’t see anything wrong with, or being any less of a fan if you complain about certain aspects of your team, but we’ll just have to disagree on that one.
    @Everyone else- Rip Hamilton won’t put the Bulls over the Heat. I’ve been seeing that a lot. However, y’all are forgetting that despite a 4-1 series win, the Heat didn’t exactly beat down the Bulls. Every game minus the game 1 Bulls blowout was close going into the 4th quarter.
    I’d say in addition to Rip Hamilton, as well as a healthy Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah, is enough to beat Miami. Obviously, it’s not a sure thing and Miami could just as well beat Chicago again, but Miami is not this bully or insurmountable foe for Chicago some of y’all are making them out to be.
    @AllenP – I agree with you regarding Nick Young in respect to how a change of culture might have really helped this kid out. Some people are easily influenced and would rather fit in with their teammates than do their own thing.
    I mean, look at Rip last year! You can’t tell me that if you had to judge Rip based on last season only, that you wouldn’t think he was a knucklehead as well. With all that stuff that went down in the D last year, Hamilton clashing with the coach and all that.
    However, from what I’ve read it seems like Rip, even as a vet, tends to be easily influenced by his teammates and as a result he went the “mutiny” route as everyone else did, but most expect Rip to be just fine with the Bulls, with them being such a great chemistry team.
    Not hard to imagine Nick Young couldn’t have also benefited from the same thing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Miami is an insurmountable foe for Chicago till they get clearly better. Because Miami did. And they were already clearly a better team.

  • Le’Trell

    look people the reasons why nick young, reggie williams, kevin martin, or jamal crawford wouldn’t work because 1. young’s a restricted free agent. anything the bulls offer the wizards can match. 2. the bulls don’t have the cap room for any of those guys. the bulls are over the cap limit. 3. they’re all liabilities on defense. 4. yes they can score but all of them NEED the ball to do that. they have to dominate the ball to be effective. all of those guys are non factors when it comes to playing off the ball because rose is going to have the ball in his hands most of the time.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    They signed Shane Battier and Eddy Curry.
    I don’t call that “clearly” getting better.
    Their best pickup will be neither of those guys but rather a healthy Haslem.
    Seriously. This isn’t the Pistons beating up on the Bulls in the late 80′s.
    Miami was clearly a better team in THAT series, but Miami was also clearly a lot healthier.
    The Heat can get got, they’re not an insurmountable foe.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shane Battier doesn’t make the Heat clearly better? And Miami wasn’t healthy either. In-fact, the Heat were not healthy for a single game last season. And whether or not every game was a blow-out during that Chicago series is irrelevant, it was obvious who the better team was. It’s why Miami won every single fourth quarter after game 1. It’s why EVERYBODY was saying they need someone else who can create a shot. And they added Richard Hamilton, who has not created a shot for himself in half a decade. It makes absolutely no sense to think he is going to change anything about the Miami v Chicago match-up, none. If Chicago does/can/will beat Miami, it will be because of Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah, and Derrick Rose’s ability to beat LeBron James as a defender. It won’t have anything at all to do with a 34 year old Richard Hamilton

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Cosign matic
    That miami series was so much closer than ppl give the bulls credit for.
    The outcome was 4 to 1 but besides the BULLS blowing them out, every game was close.
    They are not “insurmountable”, clearly. I give the bulls a shot, but I still see the heat beating them

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    In that Eastern Conference finals series, the Heat averaged 89.4 points per game, the Bulls averaged 87.2.
    With Boozer and Noah both battling injuries and averaging a combined 16 points per.
    Hardly what I call insurmountable.
    Now, once again, I’m not saying Rip Hamilton will be the reason why the Bulls get past the Heat, but that COMBINED with those two being healthy and a more conditioned Rose.
    Shane Battier signing was nice, but cats act line they signed him in his prime.
    Dude wasn’t even the best defender on the Grizzles last year.
    As for Curry…yeah.
    Miami may not have been 100% healthy either but I think a banged up Boozer and Noah trumps a banged up Mike Miller.
    I give the Heat respect a lot more than your average Bulls fan.
    They’re a GREAT team and I love Wade and James.
    They are my favorites to win the title this upcoming year, but I still don’t feel they are the juggernauts so many of y’all make them out to be when it comes to the Bulls’ chances against them.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    LeBron James to Derrick Rose – “Don’t you know who I am? I’M THE JUGGERNAUT B*TCH!”
    Dwyane Wade: “Bout to smack y’all with this pimp cane!”
    Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “Wasn’t even the best defender on the Grizzlies” – Nobody else in the NBA would have been the best defender on that team. Now the Heat have without a doubt the best defensive perimeter in the NBA. Considering James proved he can guard the quickest most explosive PG — And Chicago averaged 1 less point because of game 1, not because every game. Miami won every 4th quarter after game 1 by 4 or more points. And in the game they only won by 4 in the 4th they won by 10 and cruised. — Plus the Heat as a whole team are going to get better. In a lot of peoples opinion (mine included) the Bulls over-achieved last season. I’m not saying they have no chance in the world at beating Miami, but I would give their chances like 10/2, making Miami basically insurmountable. Which really isn’t the right word, I just don’t know what is. “Daunting?” – “A very heavy boulder?” “Beatable, but not really?” idk

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Miami is better, and Battier makes that clear…. at least imo. He provides more flexibility, allows James to play multiple positions (PG-PF). Allows Wade to be a help defender (what he’s best at) and provides a guy that can shoot and defend who is durable. Plus Shane Battier walks into Miami and is immediately the smartest player on the team, a high IQ is something they were desperate for. Mario Chalmers is the basketball equivolent to illiterate. Joel Anthony is literally a feral cat on the court.

  • bull22

    please give me a break with insurmountable opponent. how many of you idiots said the exact thing when the mavs played them and WHAT HAPPENED??? the heat got that tail handed to them and all heat lovers went into hiding, LOL!!!
    the bottom line is neither the heat or the bulls got what they wanted last year and thats an NBA championship…..

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Joel Anthony being compared to a feral cat is the best thing I have seen today.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    *checks thesaurus*
    I’ma go with complicated.
    Complicated sounds good.
    And Bulls are getting better too. And their depth still kicks Miami’s depth’s a**.
    So ha! *raspberries*.
    In other words, debating this while having to type this on my phone and get work done is a pain in the a** but we can take it to the tweets if you’d like. Lol

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    I thought Jamal Magloire was a feral cat? Or was that only in college?
    And don’t diss my homie Rio. Y’all don’t know how sh*tty the Anchorage school system is.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I don’t think Shane makes the Heat THAT much better. He brings more defense. He’ll be taking the spot of Miller who was actually a pretty decent defender and a better spot up shooter. I think what Battier gives you above Miller is less of an improvement than what Hamilton gives you above Bogans. Its going to be a close series again if it comes down to

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I gotta agree with Enigmatic on this one. The gap between MIA and CHI is closer than everyone thinks. The Bulls were in every game during the ECF and gave the heat their worst beatdown of the PS in GM1. If MIA looks down on the Bulls in any way or thinks of them as an easy foe, they will get beat in the playoffs. DRose is going to be better this season and will be out to prove that Bron isn’t the “Rose stopper”. We all know thibs has been in the lab working on ways to slow down Bosh/Bron (the man is a defensive genius) and the bulls as a whole are going to be out to prove that last season’s loss to MIA was a fluke. The X factor for me is DWade (I would also include Booooozer but we all know the cat isn’t going to show up in the playoffs). If DWade steps up and plays like he’s capable of against CHI, then Mia wins going away but if he struggles, I think we might see a different outcome.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think you are underestimating what Battier gives you above Miller. Skillwise they are close, or at least when Miller is healthy they are close.
    But Battier is so much better at knowing his role and doing it. Miller always seemed to be afraid to take shots he needed to be taking. Not Battier.
    But, the biggest improvement will come based on how well Bosh, Bron and Wade work together. if they’ve built on last year, things will be a lot easier for the team. If they’re still making the same mistakes, they have a good shot at losing to the bulls

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If Miller were durable and a willing shooter then he would be a better basketball player than Battier, he would be the clear cut 4th best player on the Heat and they would be really really terrifying. If he could be the 15 6 5 guy he’s been his whole career Chicago wouldn’t stand a chance. Especially with Battier on the roster. Now with Richard Hamilton you realize you have to put him on Dwyane Wade or LeBron James? You realize that right? Your taking a very good defender (Bogans/Brewer) off of one of the 2 best perimeter players on earth. And your thinking his ability to shoot mid range jump shots will improve your chances of winning? That doesn’t make sense to me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Richard Hamilton is definitely the best SG on the Bulls. But I don’t see how he actually makes the team better. He has no skill they need unless experience is a skill.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    How is scoring off the ball not a skill that the Bulls need?

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Works both ways, Soop.

    While it will hurt the Bulls to not have Bogans or Brewer on Wade, with Rip in tow, now Wade is forced to exert more energy on the defensive end, chasing him around screens and whatnot.

    Now, I haven’t watched too many Pistons/Heat battles over the years, not since their playoff series back when the Pistons were great, but from what I’ve read from Chicago sportswriters it seems Rip has done a good job of giving Wade fits on both ends of the court over the years.

    Plus when Bron goes to the bench, you could always slide Rip to the 3 and put Brewer on Wade.
    And don’t forget, Rip knows a thing or two about playing on a team known for its stingy team defense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rip hasn’t even been an average defender since the last time he played in the ECF. — And how much do you think the Bulls will have Hamilton running around? If he’s moving enough to wear out Wade I think its only logical too assume they aren’t using Rose for what he’s best at enough. A move without the ball and get open from screens and shoot mid-range jumpers SG is not really the type of guy that fits “perfectly” next to a drive-first PG. If Rose were more apt to set up the offense and get the ball in his spots then I think Hamilton would help more, but with Rose driving too the hoop what good would it be to have your bigs busy off screening for Richard Hamilton? It just seems to me that Hamilton is going to be brought in to fill Bogans spot in the offense….which doesn’t play into his strength at all. — I could be wrong, maybe Thibodeau will switch their whole offensive system to accomodate Rose playing with Hamilton? It will be interesting to see how that works.

  • LA Huey

    Boozer’s health in the playoffs is being overrated because he’s less effective against above average bigs anyways. Rip’s impact would be minimal against Miami. So, Chicago closing the gap with Miami relies more on Rose improving his game and the coaching. And reality is, Miami has widened that gap with the addition of Battier.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I hope they put Chalmers on Rip and dare the Bulls to take the ball out of Rose’s hands and post Rip. And let Wade guard Rose or Deng.
    It will be interesting to see how those two teams match up this year. They are clearly the cream of the crop in the East.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree on Boozer Huey, but think that he might play slightly better than the putrid performance he gave last year with an entire training camp and season to get right. He can’t get worse.
    And Noah will be healthy too. It’s too bad the Bulls gave Boozer so much money because he would be good trade bait.

  • LA Huey

    I think Rip’s effect on Wade can be settled by looking back at how Wade fared against Ray Allen in 2nd round last year. And then, remember that Rip is a lesser version of Mr. Shuttlesworth

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    From Sports Illustrated:
    It is a flier, though. Hamilton shot only 39 percent last season coming off screens, according to Synergy Sports. He was much better as a spot-up shooter, something that might reflect the aging process a bit. And the Bulls actually use the catch-and-shoot game a ton already, mostly because Korver and Deng are both comfortable jetting around picks. Nearly 7 percent of Chicago’s possessions ended with a shot taken by a player who had just come off as screen, per Synergy; only five teams ended a greater share of their possessions this way. What more can Hamilton bring? Hamilton prefers 20-footers to threes, so won’t the Bulls be running the same stuff they run for Korver, but in a tighter space?

    I’ll get to that in a second, but as an aside: Chicago, compared to the rest of the league, ran few traditional post-up plays and rarely got out on the break. Only two teams finished fewer possessions via post-ups, and only eight were in transition less often. If the Bulls want to add more spice to their offense, these are two places to look. Carlos Boozer is an efficient post scorer, and Noah looked ready to make a leap on offense early last season before hurting his thumb

    And Huey I was regularly pissed at Wade in that Boston series because of how often he lost track of Ray Allen on defense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I doubt the Heat would have Wade following around Hamilton if they used him how Boston uses Ray Allen.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Even if Rip doesn’t come off screens…if he just stands there and shoots the ball when its passed to him. The point is defenders were helping off of Bogans all season last year. They dared him to shoot that long mid range shot and more often then not he didn’t make them pay. You can’t do that with Hamilton. Hamilton being on the court means that you can no longer consistently double team Rose. When Wade came over to help Lebron in that one regular season game and left Deng open for the game winning jumper…Deng wasn’t coming off a screen. That will be going on all game with Hamilton on the court. Its going to force other teams to be 1on1 defenders

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    Is Rip really a good three point shooter?
    Check the numbers and by clicking my name and tell me what y’all think.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    NO

  • LA Huey

    I kinda feel like both teams were banged up so improved health is almost a wash but the Bulls have a little bit more to gain with hypothetical 100% healthy roster.
    I do look forward to what Thibs decides to do though. And I hope that Spo realizes you’re allowed to make adjustments not only game-to-game but within games, as well.

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    First off, JJ Reddick averaged 27 points in college his senior year too. No one was talking about him comparing to Hamilton. I like Reggie Evan’s progress but put down the pipe if you think he’ll ever be as good as a guy like Rip. I have doubts he’ll even be a starter for most of his career.
    And yeah, I like Nick Young. I REALLY like Nick Young. He woulda been great. But Washington would have easily countered the Bulls’ offer.
    Rip Hamilton is a great pickup. Does it put them OVER the Heat? No. But as Enigmatic said, they COULD beat the Heat if they play well. I still have my doubts about how the Heat are shaping up (was really hoping for a good center).
    I dunno, I think this is a great pickup.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Reggie Evans lol.

  • LA Huey

    Allenp, yeah but sadly (considering his defensive ability) Wade’s coverage of Ray during postseason was a huge improvement from the regular season. But I think Spo will have Shane and Chalmers chase after Rip.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    LOL I agree, Jukai.
    Reggie Evans will never be as good as Rip.
    But Rip will never be as good a rebounder!

  • LA Huey

    LakeShow caught it too. Haha. Bottom line, Rip’s an improvement and the best addition considering their realistic options.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    Jukai, it’s pretty clear you have never actually watched Reggie Williams. Comparing his scoring 28 a game to JJ Reddick’s 27 was downright ignorant. They went about scoring totally differently. Williams scoring ability is not reliant on other people getting him open. There is a highlight video on my name from his rookie year. If i’m not mistake Williams went over to the D-League for a few weeks, led the D-League in scoring at like 25PPG. — So let’s recap, he led the NCAA in Scoring for 2 Straight Years. Led the D-League in scoring during his short stint there. And averaged 15PPG as a rookie good for 3rd behind Steph Curry and Tyreke Evans. He’s 25. It’s safe to say he will be better than Richard Hamilton at some point in the next few years.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    what do you mean he has no skill the bulls can use? He’s a constant threat to score unlike brewer,korver and especially bogans. He is also an underrated passer; he will make the bulls offense more efficient, probably not as explosive as a jamal crawford would have, but with his ability to get points in the flow of the offense, definitely more efficient.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    He’s not much more of a threat than Korver at this point in his career. And he spaces the court less. — And would people stop calling Richard Hamilton efficient! He is not efficient at all. And hasn’t been since 2008.

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    NBK: Hey, guilty as charged. I definitely have seen Reggie Evans play in college but damn if I remember how he performed. My comment was mostly on the absurdity of using college numbers to compare NBA players to other NBA players.
    Also, I see your point that Reggie Evans isn’t better than Rip NOW— but he will be in two or three years. And I agree. Rip isn’t getting younger, age will effect him harder than other shooting guards. And Evans can only go up. But I don’t see the Bulls as a young team ready to contend in two or three years… this Bulls team is ready to contend now. And I think the best option for them is the best option this year and next year. And that’s Rip (because Young wasn’t available. And I’m torn on whether Crawford woulda been better).
    Once Rip has expired past his usefulness, they don’t sign the player option and use that 5-mil for another SG.
    I like this signing.
    I feel some people think Rip can’t play any D and can’t spot up for any shot. Not true. I think he can be an average defender now that he’ll be motivated to actually try on Chicago, and his spot-up shooting has improved. He’s no Ray Allen in that department, but like Deng, if Rose finds him for that shot, he’ll hit it.

  • LA Huey

    Nobody gets after a pair of nuts like Reggie Evans.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    Richard Hamilton’s ability to shoot is so overrated. He is not a knockdown shooter like he has been portrayed over the years. He is a workhorse, who knows how to get open and also how too get too the line. He’s only had 2 truly good shooting seasons in his 12 year career. He’s always been more Kevin Martin than Reggie Miller. Is it because he went to UConn during their great shooter boom that he garnered this reputation at a great shooter?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    And I used College/D-League scoring just to prove the kid is a scorer (a one on one scorer primarily). That’s what he does. And that ability normally transfers to the NBA. I wasn’t trying to make him sound like Michael Jordan or anything like that. He is just a good scorer, the type of guy I’d want coming first off of my bench if I need buckets. I wouldn’t put Richard Hamilton on my NBA team for any reason other than to play a 15-20MPG bit role.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Whoa, Sooperdooperpooperscooper (I’m outta coffee and humor, leave me the f*ck alone)
    Let’s not get carried away now.
    Leading or being one of the top leaders in scoring in college doesn’t always translate to NBA success.
    Ask Keydren Clarke or Aubrey Coleman.
    I agree the kid is nice, but just because he put up a ton of points in a high-octane VMI offense (he’s not their first player to lead nation in scoring, SLAM profiled Jason Conley who played there as well), put up points in the D league and put up points in another high-octane offense (Warriors) doesn’t mean dude is gonna be better than Rip Hamilton.
    Unless you literally meant he will be better than Rip as in, 30 year old Reggie Williams will be better than 39 year old Rip Hamilton. I could see that.
    BTW, am I the only one who’s looking forward to watching Kenneth Faried play more than any other rookie? Jimmer comes in at a close second. Kemba third. Kyrie Irving is on my list somewhere, but I’m nowhere near as hyped to watch him as one normally would be about watching a number one overall pick.
    Might have something to do with the fact that dude most likely wouldn’t have been a top 10 pick had he stuck around for the 2012 draft.
     LMAO @ La Huey!!!
    Jukai, Reggie Evans is a 31 year old, 6’8″ 245 power forward.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    If Kenyon Martin stays in China and Denver doesn’t add anyone I have Faried as rookie of the year Matic. If he plays 30MPG he’s a shoe-in for a double double. I wish Phoenix didn’t like twins so much.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    BTW Arron Afflalo would’ve been best choice or Bulls if he wasn’t RFA

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    Wha? Who cares if he is more Kevin Martin than Reggie Miller? Is that bad? I think you’ll find that when properly motivated, Hamilton will be more efficient than he’s been in the last two years.
    Plus, Hamilton has ALWAYS been more effective when he has a good point guard to get him the rock in the places he wants it. Oh, and look at that— a huge percentage drop when Chauncey Billups leaves for Denver. Oh, if only Chicago had a point guard who could get him the ball when he is open.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    I mean that Williams will be better than Hamilton in the next 2-4 years. And I also don’t think Chicago will geniunely contend for a title for the same amount of time (or until they find a way to add a SG/Player who can create and take pressure off Rose and conserve his energy and probably get rid of Boozer). Which is why I think they should have gone after Williams instead of Hamilton. — Paying Rip $5M a season means he has to get minutes. Paying $2.5M to Reggie Williams means you get to see what he can do without worrying about him mentally imploding if he’s not what you wanted as a starter. If you take Rip out of whatever role he starts in, you think it will go smoothly? Because from past events, I sure don’t.

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    Oh, Evans, Williams… I’m bad with first names as last names.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    It just means he isn’t as much of a threat standing still as people think. Richard Hamilton’s strength is running around screens, shooting 14-16 foot jump shots (the least efficient shot in basketball might I add). And he was most effective doing it with Chauncey Billups. Quite a different players from Derrick Rose, if that really needs to be pointed out.

  • http://skjflf.com Jukai

    NBK: Pretty sure former MVP Derrick Rose can adjust to feed Hamilton like Billups did.
    Plus, you can’t throw a short term contract at Reggie Williams. It’s long term or bust. You throw a short term, Reggie Williams explodes, you have to pay three times as much to keep him. You throw a long term 2.5 million, he doesn’t pan out, you have a worthless 2.5 million a year.
    I’m pretty happy with the Hamilton thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pawtucket-YMCA-Youth-Basketball-League/278842845500531 Gametimeweezy

    Big move… Derrick Rose is gonna have fun this year. Rip and Deng got a similar game.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    He just signed 2 years $5M with Charlotte. And in order for Rose to do what Billups did the Bulls would have to change their whole offense. And Rose will have to up his 3pt shooting quite a bit (again). There is a reason Rip had so much room to run around and get open in Detroit (and he was their 1st option). They ALL could shoot except Ben Wallace. Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Wallace, Wallace is a much better shooting lineup than Rose, Hamilton, Deng, Boozer, Noah. The floor spacing is totally different. Plus teams pack the paint against Chicago (which would be a 15ft range from the basket) they don’t hug the 3pt line like they did against Detroit.

  • T-Money

    Im kinda scratching my head that they they gave to Rip the same money Mal Crawford got from Portland. I dont see Rip as a game chager because at the end of close games in the playoffs, it will still be derrick rose up top trying to create every time down the court. With Jamal, Chicago would have had another ballhandler out there.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Richard Hamilton is a lot like Reggie Miller, running through all those screens for the catch and shoot. Not to digress, but that’s who Kobe should pattern his game after when father time stops him from be able to create his own shot. In the end, I’m just glad the Bulls didn’t get JR Smith, because he would have been the perfect fit, and he’s always played well at the United Center. I’m hopeful Melo, who’s tight with JR, can get him to join the Knicks for vet min once he’s finished his contract in China. He can boost his stock with the Knicks, and then get a payday in the summer of 2012.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujL1Ur9dXqE&feature=related nbk

    If running through screens makes a player a lot like others, every wing player who has ever had a play run for them off the ball is “a lot like Reggie Miller”

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    They also would have had an undisciplined chucker and defensive liability with Crawford too. I’m not as shocked by them not signing Crawford as I am by them not calling Dallas to get that Rudy Fernandez AND Corey Brewer for a second round pick deal

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @nbk, Richard Hamilton has the same motor Reggie Miller has when it comes to running through those screens. They don’t quit, and make their defenders work hard. Obviously Reggie was a better shooter, but they both have the same motor.

  • http://Barondavisisfat.youaretoo nbk

    Oh my bad orange. I agree with that

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Korver is not as much of a threat to SCORE as RIP is, hitting threes definitely, but not score. Rip is good enough from three imo, its not all about spreading the court but providing that constant threat to make a play. Saying Rose will not be able to work with him because he’s a different player than billups is asinine, korver had many plays ran for him running off screens through-out the season. Now the bulls have a guy in Rip who can make something happen off of those screens unlike korver with his underrated passing ability. He probably not the greatest fit, but he definitely helps them improve. Jamal wanted to do a sign and trade with the bulls for more money, needless to say the bulls nor the atlanta hawks were down with that, so jamal had to settle for a deal that the bulls were willing to make with him in the first place.

  • http://Barondavisisfat.youaretoo nbk

    I didnt say he won’t work with him. I said Hamilton doesn’t improve Chicago and gave Rose’s style of play as a reason among other, as to why. with Korver next to Rose he is as much, if not more of a threat. But Hamilton is a much much better defender, especially against 2′s. I am not arguing who the better player is or anything like that.

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Battiers best asset will be his locker room presence.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    @ NBK – RIP is going to shut you up this year…playing with a good PG is essential to his style of play. He’s one of 4 active players who averages 20+ ppg in > 120 playoff games. The past few years he’s been trying to create his own shots and has had a terrible attitude. He always steps up in the playoffs, he’s a winner, and he’s a crafty scorer. Comparing his scoring ability to Kyle Korver’s is asinine. I’d expect no less than 16 ppg from RIP this season. If you don’t think that won’t take pressure off of DRose than you’re just being silly.

  • http://Barondavisisfat.youaretoo nbk

    15-18PPG is what I have him at too. And calling someone an equal threat next to Derrick Rose is not calling him a better scorer than Kyle Korver, or even talking about his scoring ability as an individual at all. There is a reason Rose was so successful offensively with Korver on the floor, he’s a huge threat, everywhere. But Hamilton’s 20PPG in the playoffs is not the same as him being the type of threat that will take a bunch of pressure off of Derrick Rose. I don’t know how much actual basketball experience you have but it’s quite a different thing to have a scoring threat from moving without the ball to have one who is reliant on space and dribbling. The possessions where Hamilton helps or “takes pressure off of Rose” generally take place separate from those where Rose is trying to make a play. It’s basically pick your poison for Chicago on offense, Hamilton isn’t as much a counter to Derrick Rose as he is a completely different option. And from how I view the Bulls and think what they need to beat teams that are clearly better (Miami) they need a player that can add too what Rose can do. A player that can open up Rose’s game more, rather than make the whole team change their philosophy to accommodate a players strengths. And I understand that The Bulls run a lot of screen for the shooter plays (normally through baseline screens) but it’s not a key part of their offense to have a guy constantly running from screen too screen inside 20feet of the basket, Korver goes from 3 to 3, and Deng goes baseline to baseline with the occassional pinch cut which is a part of their flex). What I’m saying is, contrary to what people perceive about Rip, he will not improve Chicago’s most needed offensive tool, spacing. And thusly, won’t make them
    Much better than last season. Which is still really good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com House

    Good signing, just need to get rid of that f**king waste of space Boozer now but sadly I guess it is too late.

  • nbaNw8

    Everybody dissin Boozer! i understand why though. he was horrible last season but if he can start doing what he did in Utah then Bulls are going all the way! #NoQuestionsAsked

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    120 comments on a Rip Hamilton signing, in 2011/12. I bet half those are Enigmatic bahahaha.
    Rip is an upgrade, but like stated a billion times above – no handles

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pawtucket-YMCA-Youth-Basketball-League/278842845500531 Gametimeweezy

    Just looking at their roster, it’s not that impressive still even with Rip. Makes u appreciate how hard D Rose was going last year that they won 60+ games.

  • Colt6

    J-Rich would’ve been a better signing. But you can’t complain with Rip. The guy plays excellent D. Who needs a 2 who can create his own shot (Crawford) when you have DRose who attracts all the attention on the drive. All Hamilton has to do is catch the ball and shoot the damn thing. And he better do it well. Really disappointed last season. Watup Jukai?

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