Monday, December 5th, 2011 at 10:50 am  |  77 responses

Derrick Rose Took Kobe Bryant’s Advice to Develop a Post Game

DRose took Bean’s advice to heart, and worked hard to develop a post game this offseason/lockout. From the Chicago Tribune: “Last December, weeks after he had pulled Derrick Rose aside for an embrace and encouraging words following a Bulls-Lakers matchup in Los Angeles, Kobe Bryant was asked if the gesture represented a passing of the torch. ‘I ain’t passing (expletive),’ Bryant famously said. Rose, of course, loved this comment, telling the Tribune: ‘I look at myself like an old-school player. Back in the day, players really went at each other. His mentality is great.’ Come Christmas Day, Bryant again will show Rose respect by trying not only to win the season opener for both teams but to crush Rose’s spirit. Rose will return the favor. It’s what assassins do, those unique players driven to win at all costs. Bryant always has recognized this dynamic in Rose, which is why he pulled the 23-year-old aside at last July’s exhibition in the Philippines and offered him more pointers. Improve your post game. Find the areas on the floor where double-teaming is more difficult. Seek championships. Rose took Bryant’s advice to heart — and to the court. ‘I worked on my post-up game, my isolation game, working at the elbows, trying to get fouled and get into the lane and put pressure on the defense,’ Rose said. ‘I’m trying to do better than last year. That was a good season, but it’s last year. Only a championship will do.’”

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  • http://nba.com GP23

    That’s cool… now improve the consistency of your jumpshots, and you will be one unstoppable point guard.

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    DRose really has the right mindset.


    He’s gonna run this league soon, He’s like the Anti-LeBron.

  • bdogg

    he develops a consistent jumpshot and hie 3-pt pecentage increases..he is probably the strongest pg in the game.. he will be a beast on the block..the mamba is 100% on!!! they will be teammates come july 2012…go for gold!!!

  • 23

    Bryant passing the torch??? Uhhh I’m pretty sure lebron has been running with that torch for the past several years! Lebron tore up chicago last year in the playoffs.But lebrons ugly finals performance overshadows the chicago series and his overall talent

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    I feel like Rose shouldn’t get too ahead of himself. A post game is all well and good, but really master that shot properly before you put too much time into it. Learning to avoid double-teams etc though is good.

  • Bt

    @23 – Kobe has the torch until someone definitively grabs it off him, which lebron, rose or anyone else has yet to do. You can’t grab the torch until you win championships. Magic and Larry had the torch then Jordan, then Hakeem, then Jordan, then shaw, then Duncan, then Kobe, then ……

    See what they all have in common – championships

  • Bt

    @23 – Kobe has the torch until someone definitively grabs it off him, which lebron, rose or anyone else has yet to do. You can’t grab the torch until you win championships. Magic and Larry had the torch then Jordan, then Hakeem, then Jordan, then shaq, then Duncan, then Kobe, then ……

    See what they all have in common – championships

  • Bt


  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    @23; “several years”? pretty sure the last two years before 2010-2011 Kobe was running with that torch to championships. He’s definitely passed him now, but it took a lot longer than it should have.

  • 23

    Kobe had the advantage of having a pro baller as a father who mentored him and gave him the right mindset. Kobe was also lucky enough to be traded to the lakers after the hornets drafted him. kobe then, was blessed with phil, shaq and company to win 3 chips. Then it was just unfair when the lakers got gasol. Kobe is a damn hard worker, but he also had a lot of luck on his side. While lebron SINGLE HANDEDLY willed his cavaliers to the nba finals. Yes he laid an egg last year. But you can’t base greatness on rings alone. Chauncey billups or tony parker never owned the torch of the best player, yet they both have a finals mvp…. just sayin, championships are a TEAM accomplishment, you can’t really base individual greatness with team accomplishments.

  • matt

    hell yea. while he is already in the top 3, and easily the best point guard in the L…derrick rose will establish himself as the clear cut best player in the league this season

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe, to have a torch, if your not the best in the league anymore, you have to win atleast 1 playoff game every year, minimum.

  • LA Huey

    Man, I hate the Bulls but if Rose starts operating in the post, it’ll make me appreciate him just a bit more for reminding me of the days with The Glove doing his thing on the low block.

  • DieselMechanic

    @nbk he won four in 2011…Of all the ppl who claimed to have picked up a post game this offseason, I actually believe D-Rose for some reason.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I meant in each series* (my bad) which was a joke. He doesn’t have the torch right now no matter what.

  • Riggs

    sorry but he isnt “easily the top point guard in the league”, and im a huge fan of his.

  • bashmo

    @23 Exactly. TO base a player in the league today on the rings they have won is not relevant because it is a team accomplishment. Kobe has not been the best player in the league since maybe 06-07-08. Lebron since then has undisputedly been the best overall basketball player in the L. Just because his TEAM hasnt won a championship does not mean his individual talent should be smothered.

    AS far as rose developing a post game, thats all good, however, i would like Rose to shoot less and look to raise his team’s level of play even more than he did last year, assuming Chicago picks up a good option for the 2 guard position.

  • robb

    He actually improved his shooting last season his 3 pt improved 50% or so.

  • DuckTape The Mob

    @nbk You don’t get tired of the same Ole “I Hate Kobe” post?

    I mean It has gotten you nowhere……..You still watch Kobe’s every move…………..A real hater doesn’t mention or pay attention to the person they “hate” so much!

    If you gon Hate do it the right way!

    @23 So it’s Kobe and His Father’s Fault Lebron is a Deadbeat in the 4th quarter of the Finals?………..Stop making excuses for Lebron I don’t think he need you as an advisor.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    You guys are missing the point with all this torch stuff. The difference between Rose and Lebron is that Rose essentially thinks the same way as Kobe, in terms of the importance of winning at all costs, improving early and often, and possessing the mentality where you want to rip your opponent’s heart out (I know that seems like a played out notion, but how many athletes can you think of that actually act/feel that way?. Lebron is a better player than both, but we’re 8 years into his career and we still haven’t figured out if he’s a ruthless competitor or just a HOF player who doesn’t mind winning as long as his team resembles his high school team filled with his best buddies.

    There’s a story about Rose’s pre-draft interview on the web, as reported by Pro Basketball Talk, wherein he and Beasley were both interviewed by Bulls management. When asked “What about college basketball bothered you most?” Beasley contemplated for a moment and said, “When you go on the road and the referees make bad calls.”. Rose, on the other hand, simply said “Losing.” That mentality makes a big difference in a player’s career because they’ll be willing to work that much harder to improve themselves day in and day out. It is why Rose went from #1 draft pick to MVP in the span of 3 years.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    And quite honestly, Kobe had the “best player” torch from 06-08 or so in terms of being the best player. He lost the championship torch last year to Dirk.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He improved his three point shooting by 19 percent. Great improvement, but not 50 percent. Just for the record. And he still shot 33 percent in the end.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    OTB, pretty sure Lebron nearly destroyed his image last year in order to join a team that could win a championship. Meanwhile when he was on the Cavs that team won more than it had any right to do. Finally, how has Lebron not improved his game by leaps and bounds since entering the league? His midrange jumper is money now and he’s arguably the league’s best defender.

  • DieselMechanic

    It looks like it will have to be a co-torch down in Miami. Two handles? One flame?

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    Real OTB here: I didn’t write the comment at 1:59. Lebron has improved his game, I never insinuated he didn’t. Simply pointed out that Rose’s rate of of development and how he looks at the game in general (as more than a supplement/partner to business opportunities) is going to benefit him throughout his career.

  • Red

    I agree Rose has the Torch now & this year will become the best player in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Is OTB having some sort of schizo moment?

  • dahon

    he needs to improve his D and passing skills…he attract a lot of defenders this season…

  • Reals


  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Whoa….Someone just said LeBron is the best defender in the League… whoa

  • robb

    @Allenp my bad I wrote last season when Rose actually improved his accuracy almost 50% over the last two seasons as reported by sportscience

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Y’all are sleeping. The best is none other than Mr. Brian Scalabrine himself!

  • Everynowhere

    @ducktale so that means nbk isn’t a hater by your logic. someone has to point out what laker fans like to selectively forget. And i agree with OTB comment at 1:13. if d.rose adopted kobe’s mentality then expect him to learn from his mistakes last playoffs and become a better player.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You’re right about his percentage from his rookie year. Then again, he was shooting 22 percent from three as a rookie. I thought his three pointer was amazing early in the year, the improvement I mean, but then I thought he shot a few too man late.
    It reminded me of Iverson in his prime. When you’re as good off the bounce as Rose, taking a three pointer off the bounce is actually bailing the defense out most of the time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    His post game will allow him not to rely on a jumpshot so much. His jumpshot has never been bad besides last years playoffs but people dont take into account that he sprained his ankle, Twice.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Today’s perimeter greats take too many 3s.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDNFKaq5vqw nbk

    Today’s great penetrate-rs (no homo) take too many 3′s. Guys that can shoot, should. It’s definitely better than 16-20 footers.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You’re right.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDNFKaq5vqw nbk

    we both right. I knew what you meant. I just think like Kevin Durant would be better served to shoot 3′s or drive to the hoop. Not that dribble dribble step-back 21 footer sh*t.

  • http://www.slamonline.com biged

    im cheering for Rose this season. Regardless of whose the overall number one its always good to see a player who countinues to work at his game every year and learn from others who are more experience than him instead of calling them all haters like Lebron does. Everyone that critisize his game is a hater. He should be a well rounded player by now and he is NOT. By the time Rose is in his 8th year he will most likely be good at every single factor in the game.

  • ab40

    LeBron was the anti-Kobe a few years ago. I can’t wait to see how they’re gonna play this season. I heard Wilbon on espn say kobe is jumping again like the early 00′s

  • Maniac

    I was going to comment on the whole “torch” thing, but I think I can go today without getting called a Kobe lover lol. I’ll just say this… Whomever thinks Kobe wasn’t the best since last year needs a serious reality check. Kobe has been the best player in the league since 06 (top 5 since 01 arguably), with LeBron becoming 1A in 09. Last year wasn’t so great for Kobe and it’s clear LeBron is the best right now. As far as the torch thing, Kobe still has it. You can’t label the “torch” with ‘x’ amount of championships or definite player in the league. The torch is more about respect, popularity, and legacy (takes into account championships and etc…) more than anything. Jordan was the best in the league in the late 80s, but Magic and Larry still had the torch. Catch my drift? Kobe is still somewhere at the top along with Bron, Wade, Rose, Durant… but I guarantee that all those guys look up to him. He’s still big brother right now and that’s the way it should be until he passes it or one of them forces it out of his hands. That has nothing to do with how I feel about Kobe, that’s just the truth.

  • bike

    Post game is fine but D-Rose ought to really concentrate and a stop and pop 15 to 18 foot jumper a la Jordan. Man, he has got the first step, head and shoulder fake, and explosion to be unstoppable for that kind of move.

  • http://slamonline.com greg

    more importantly he needs to learn to read defenses a little better, i dont believe he is not a good passer im just saying the bulls watch him dribble too much and dont get involved in the play buy screening each other or cutting. if that is going on around rose and he has the ablility to catch them most of the time like rondo paul or nash, we are talking about one of the best ever to play, just needs to watch the film and approach the game in more of a cerebral manner, but that will come with age.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    yall talk like yall coaches or some sh*t. yall dont sh*t about no ball. u just watch

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    ^more like people who have played the game, watch the game, study the game… if you dont like it, go post at espn.com …everyone is a genius there.

  • LA Huey

    I like what Maniac said.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Maybe some of us are. Maybe not. Maybe you are the smartest by sayin nobody knows anything about ball. Or maybe your the dumbest. Or just maybe, you are a walruss.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    To what Maniac said, Dr J had the torch for a very long time without winning. The best most polarizing player in the league is who I consider to be “holding the torch” – other than the difference in opinion I agree with the majority of what you said.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    There’s a big difference between the truth and opinions.

  • robb

    Maybe he won’t rely so much on it this year but getting comfortable with a different style of game early in his career will allow him to be effective when he can’t run as fast or be so explosive 10 years from now. I really respect the guy, his work ethic and his mentality will get him far.

  • hushabomb

    So Rose adds a post game. Now if he gets position on a PG, who’s gonna get him the ball?

    Having said that, gettin a post game will work wonders as now he’s gonna back down everyone and utilise the mid range game instead of trying to break em down with 2 layers of defence then jacking up a 3 if he can’t get through.

    Cos when Kobe did it he looked awesome.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    maniac kobe hasn’t been the best since…. 08 honestly. but i’m chillin.

  • Maniac

    Anybody who says Kobe wasn’t the before 08 should off themselves. Now I agree to some extent that there is HIGH debate to who was the king after 08. 09 could have went to Kobe, Bron, or Wade. Wade played his a$$ off that year. I have no beef with anyone who thinks Wade has been better since, but you aren’t the majority by far. I think 09 was the year that LeBron became a man lol, that’s why he and Kobe were neck and neck. I’m obviously going to favor Kobe regardless, but I have a lot of objectivity and Kobe still had the intangibles that outweighed any silly stats that can be thrown out… Plus he was winning (that always counts for something).

  • Maniac

    Cosign nbk on the Dr. J comment. Well half cosign lol, he and Kareem shared it. I see it like this: there is always the perimeter player torch and big man torch; sometimes they overlap. I could run through history, but I don’t feel like typing lol. Perimeter torch goes: Cousy, then Baylor/Oscar/West, then Doc, then Bird/Magic, then Jordan, then Kobe. Big Guys go Mikan, Pettit, Russell/Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq/Duncan, … void lol until Dwight becomes all-time great. Dang I just named my top 15 excluding Cousy, Mikan, and Dwight.

  • Joblo

    His offense is fine, should have concentrated on his d

  • DRU

    ^ His offense is not “fine”. He’s a poor shooter, streaky FT shooter, avg passer, & (like you said) has poor defense. He’s an undersized SG(that can’t shoot) playin’ the point. IMO, Rose is a great player but he’s overrated & was given to much credit for the bulls success. The defense Thibs installed had more to do with their record than Rose. He just doesn’t make the players around him better. Just sayin’…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Chris Paul and Deron Williams are still definitively the best point guards in the league. Rose is nice, but he has to dish at least 8 dimes a game to be considered as good of a *point guard* (not necessarily player) as the other two.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How is Rose a streaky FT shooter and average passer when he shot 86% from the line and dished close to 8 dimes a game? Do people even take a second to think before typing.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Good stuff Maniac. I agree with on the big man torch and perimeter man torch. I think LbJ is currently sharing it with Kobe. He hasn’t “yanked” it from Bean yet.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    ……not for nothing, Michael Jordan would’ve never offered advise to help a young guy coming up succeed….just saying

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Jordan regularly gave advice to Kobe while he was playing.

  • Maniac

    Thanks LakeShow and yeah I agree with you that Kobe and LeBron are sort of sharing the torch.

  • Maniac

    I think Rose will narrow the gap on this best pg discussion this year.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Agree with that also^ although I still think for the next few years CP3 will still be the best real(meaning pg first not scorer first, nothing wrong with scoring vs distributing though) pg. John Wall will be doing the most gap closing this next year though. If I recall correctly you weren’t sold on kid, but i’m telling ya. Dudes BEAST. 6’4″, arms are super long, lighting fast, great court vision, shooting much improved it looks, terrible personality…. lol.. I think he will be arguably the 4th best pg by the end of next year.

  • DuckTape The Mob
  • Justin

    This whole “passing the torch” thing is a bit off. Having the torch isn’t just about being the best player in the game or just winning championships. It’s also about being an ambassador for the league ON TOP of doing all those things. Does anybody have that right now? Hard to say Lebron has it with all of the negativity that’s gone his way in the past couple years. I think Derrick Rose could be that guy if he keeps improving at the pace that he is right now. And to say Kobe has gotten really lucky is a bit ridiculous. Having a father who played in the league might help a little but I don’t see Michael Jordan’s kids tearing it up anywhere. Kobe got where he is through incredible work ethic and a will to win/killer instinct not seen by many in sports. Lebron just does not have that and at this stage in the game I doubt he will. Rose does and if he develops a post up game to go along with an improved jump shot it’s going to be scary

  • breezy

    Lolololol lebron with the torch?………how many chips has he got since he came into the league……… Better yet how much chips has kobe got since lebrons been “running” the league……. I’m not even a laker/kobe fan but I know who’s league it is

  • unrel

    kobe is still president.. when i think of kobe and bron.. and who’s better or king or whatever.. i remember that iconic picture of JFK and RFK sitting down, leaning into one another.. both great men.. but little brother still has a lot to learn from big brother… we’re not just comparing players.. we’re comparing the greats of the greats.. so rings must be taken into account.. and also resumes and body of work.. so.. in that sense.. kobe still has the torch.. as far as d. rose goes.. great mentality about winning at all costs.. but he’s not even in the conversation..

  • AD

    i think rose should take advice from jkidd…

  • 23

    I thought the torch belonged to the best player, but I guess its about career achievements and milestones. In that case, why is rose even mentioned?

  • Justin

    It’s not all about career milestones and achievments. Read what I wrote at 4:04

  • bigmike100

    Y wuld a pg need 2 post up 4? dats y dey hve sf pf nd c so dey can go n da post nd bang

  • dhughzy

    Derrick Rose is nasty but just because you win mvp doesn’t mean you’re the best you’ve just created the most buzz…..

  • dhughzy

    oh yea point guards and shooting guards under 6’5 do not need to be posting up at all unless you doing JJ Barea

  • http://Slam OkCityWonder

    Have all you peeps forgot about kevin durant? Everybody’s talkn lebron, kobe, and drose. You all nuts for not even mentioning kd! Best pure scorer our game has seen in years. Oh! Witout much help!