Tuesday, December 6th, 2011 at 2:10 pm  |  35 responses

What’s In It For Us?

Five trades that should happen before the ’11-12 season kicks off.

Trade No. 3:
Clippers Acquire: Josh Smith, Marvin Williams
Hawks Acquire: Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, First-Round Pick

The Financials
The Clippers are way under the cap, so they have the ability to take on a lot of money in any deal. They do just that here, taking Marvin Williams’ big contract off of Atlanta’s hands. Kaman and Smith’s money is just about even this year, and Kaman’s deal expires after this season.

What’s In It For Los Angeles
A huge step forward. Pairing Smith with Blake Griffin down low would add a completely new dimension to the lesser LA team. By mixing the two highflyers alongside Eric Bledsoe and Eric Gordon, they’ll really have something cooking out West. Promising center DeAndre Jordan is a free agent, so they could either bring him back as a bench player or slide Smith over to small forward, giving them a ton of flexibility. They could also let him walk and spend the dough elsewhere. Williams would be a capable role player for a team lacking guys at small forward, especially if they don’t have Aminu. Owner Donald Sterling isn’t known for bringing in big-time talent or spending any money, but this deal would be a franchise-changer.

What’s In It For Atlanta
They’re getting the short end of the stick talent-wise here, but it’s a deal they probably have to make. They’re in a terrible financial position and there have been conflicting reports as to whether Smith wants out of Atlanta for a while. They’d much prefer to get Gordon from the Clippers, but Aminu is a solid piece and Kaman allows them to stay competitive in the East in the short-term. Long-term, the Clips’ pick is likely to be in the lottery and dumping Williams’ contract would be big for them. Add in that Kaman’s contract expires at year’s end, and the deal means that they could be in a great financial situation pretty soon.

Trade No. 4:
Raptors Acquire: Monta Ellis
Warriors Acquire: Andrea Bargnani, Jarryd Bayless

The Financials

This one’s easy. Both teams are under the cap, so they can make an unbalanced deal if need be. However, Ellis is only due about $2 million more than Bargnani this season, and Bayless’ $3 million does nothing to throw the deal off.

What’s In It For Toronto
The Raptors drafted center Jonas Valanciunas with the 5th overall pick this season, and with Ed Davis cemented at power forward, they’re set down low. This leaves Bargnani as something of an odd-man-out. They have a young star in shooting guard DeMar DeRozan, and pairing him with Ellis would be really scary. Plus, if they want to go small, they’d still have point guard Jose Calderon, who they could start with Ellis at the two and DeRozan at the three.

What’s In It For Golden State
It’s beginning to seem like an inevitability that Ellis will be leaving the Warriors either via trade or free agency a year from now, so they might as well deal him while they can. Bargnani is a horrific defender, but the team is full of them, and pairing him with David Lee in the post would be an awesome move. Bayless hasn’t shown much in his NBA career, but could do something if he got a shot at guard alongside Stephen Curry while being coached by former point guard Mark Jackson. With rookie Klay Thompson and Dorell Wright ready for boosts in minutes, this trade makes a lot of sense.

Trade No. 5:
Mavericks Acquire: Andre Iguodala
76ers Acquire: Andreis Biedrins, Ekpe Udoh, Rodrigue Beaubois, Dominique Jones, Mavericks Second-Round Pick
Warriors Acquire: Jason Kidd

The Financials
This is the most money-centric deal on the list. Dallas is way over the cap, so they need to make a dollar-for-dollar deal. Iguodala is due $13.5 million this season, so they need to ship out a big contract to make it work. Kidd is due $9.6 million in the final season of his deal, so he goes to Golden State. The Warriors are able to dump Biedrins’ three years and $27 million on Philly, but have to cough up Udoh in the process.

What’s In It For Dallas
Teams rarely add big pieces after winning the title, but what the hell, they could use another scoring threat alongside Dirk, and Iggy brings a nice scoring ability and much more. They’d be giving up picks and some young talent in the trade, but it’s a no-brainer on their end, as long as they can re-sign point guard JJ Barrea.

What’s In It For Philadelphia
Like Josh Smith, Iguodala hasn’t formally asked for a trade, but there have been rumors surrounding him for a long time. The more years left on his contract when they trade him, the more they’ll get in return, so a move makes sense now. They’d pick up some nice pieces in Udoh, Beaubois and Jones, and with Evan Turner waiting in the wings, they can afford to move Iguodala. Taking on Biedrins’ money is far from ideal, but he’s still a productive player and would help them contend for a playoff spot.

What’s In It For Golden State
Cap relief. Biedrins and Kidd are both due around $9 million this season, but as Kidd’s contract expires after this season, they’d be totally ridding themselves of Biedrins’ contract a year from now. Trading Udoh would be no fun, but he wasn’t great in his rookie season last year and they could certainly overcome his departure. Kidd is from California so probably wouldn’t mind a trade there, and him working with Mark Jackson would be a great fit.

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  • gubbins

    Almost all of those trades are ridiculous.

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    Ive only read the first trade so far but Im willing to put money on the fact that okc will not give up their lottery pick, their back up point guard, and their 3rd pg for one of the worst defensive bigs in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Not a single one of those trades makes sense.

  • golden state

    if Bargnani is that best the warriors can do, we are in trouble. also pairing bargania and lee would make this the worst defensive team EVER.

  • Actual Factuals

    LMAO the ai in NBA 2k12 wouldn’t even make those horrible trades… The first trade is the only “Semi” reasonable one lol this dude needs to start writing on hockey or something.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lamar Odom gives Minnesota nothing they need, you can’t take minutes from Kevin Love or Derrick Williams for a rental player, and the Lakers 1st round pick does nothing for Minnesota. And Aaron Brooks isn’t even a Phoenix Sun. He plays in China. And is a UFA. And Marcin Gortat is Phoenix’s Center, not Robin Lopez. And in regards to the Thunder trade, A)It’s illegal, the Salaries Don’t Work. B)You would have 3 bigs making over $10M a season, and only 1 of them would start. C)James Harden is a better basketball player going forward then Al Jefferson, by himself.

  • arjae828

    not almost all…they’re all asinine. what is philly going to do with rodey buckets when they have lou will filling the scoring punch off the bench already? Who wrote this?

  • http://www.2ksports.com Showtime

    In Barkley Voice ( this is TERRUBLE) this is the most delusional trade scenerio’s ever seen in publication

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Page 2 – Josh Smith next to Blake Griffin? You won’t start a center? TO see cool dunks? And why in the world would the Clippers give up a first round pick and take back Marvin Williams, that is crazy. Plus they still have Ryan Gomes, and are trying to sign a FA like Caron Butler. Trade 4 is the only trade that makes reasonable sense, except Golden State was offered Rudy Gay for Monta Ellis, which is a much better package than the worst defensive center in league history and Bayless. So that’s not really in Golden States best interest. And 5) why in the world would Philadelphia give up Andre Iguodala for even more money and not one player of even close to equal value? And why on earth would the Warriors want Jason Kidd. They play a fast pace, 3pt centered offense, and you want to add a PG who doesn’t want to shoot unless he’s standing still with 10 feet of open space in front of him, let alone thefact that you would be taking the ball out of Steph Curry’s hands and prolonging his development.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Trade 4, I like it =). Get ‘er done, BC! lol.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    I take it back, let the tank roll on for a top 5 pick!

  • http://www.slamonline.com aman from arkansas

    what about this:

    Hawks: Steve Nash, A. Biedrins
    Warriors: Josh Smith, R. Lopez
    Suns: Monta Ellis, D. Lee

  • mykel

    monta in toronto haha you funny

  • jdizzle

    Clippers/Hawks is the only one i can see happening, even then its a stretch.

  • MikeC.

    While we’re on the topic of ridiculous trades, how about Dwight Howard to the Knicks for Shelden Williams and a 2-round pick.

  • gani

    Funky trades.

  • meloman2.0

    id love to see the monta trade happen… but hope and reality are two different things

  • Drew

    Seriously you need to stop trying to write about basketball. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about based on this article alone. Also, we all know if Lakers are going after a PG, they’re not going for Nashty, they going after CP3 Period.

  • http://leobeingleo.com Leo Sepkowitz

    @aman from arkansas — I like that idea, but I doubt the Hawks would be willing to part with Smith and only get older guys in return. Taking on Biedrins’ contract would really hurt, and the risk of having Nash walk at the end of the season is a huge one. Love it from Phoenix and Golden State’s end, though.

  • http://leobeingleo.com Leo Sepkowitz

    @nbk –

    Trade 1 does work money wise – check it out – http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77mmpl8

    In trade 3, I really doubt the Clippers would pass on Josh Smith because they have Ryan Gomes

    In trade 5, the Warriors bringing in Kidd means huge cap relief for them as they dump Biedrins contract

  • blakos

    Horrible article

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    More realistic trades:

    Lakers get: Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor, David Anderson, New Orleans 2013 1st Round Pick
    Hornets get: Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Metta World Peace
    (Lakers get the guy they want, Hornets aren’t completely gutted)
    —————————————————————
    Magic get: Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins,
    Warriors get: Hedo Turkoglu, JJ Redick, Brandon Bass, Daniel Orton
    (Monta gives Orlando scoring option, gives GS depth at all positions)
    —————————————————————
    Suns get: Tyrus Thomas, DJ Augustin, Boris Diaw
    Bobcats get: Steve Nash. Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley
    (Suns get youth and cap space from Diaw expiring, Bobcats get center help and a star)
    —————————————————————
    Spurs get: Brook Lopez, Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow, Sundiata Gaines, Nets 2013 1st Round Pick
    Nets get: Manu Ginobili, Dejuan Blair, Da’Sean Butler, Spurs 2012 1st Round Pick
    (Spurs get a center to pair with Timmy and youth, NJ gets a star alongside Deron and a solid forward)

  • Flud

    This is nonsense. NONSENSE!!

  • T Bone

    man this is terrible!!!

    really struggled to read through this – none of these trades makes any sense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Firstly, Leo, I appreciate you responding to my comments, as I wasn’t attacking you or anything like that, just don’t agree with the trades. Ok, now the Thunder trade, you’re right my fault, I was not thinking Robinson was at $4.5M this year. And I was saying they would not take back Marvin Williams and give up a draft pick (at all) especially not with Ryan Gomes on the roster. Josh Smith wouldn’t happen simply because there is nowhere for him to play. You have to have a Center, neither Josh Smith nor Blake Griffin are very good post defenders. Unless you think Donald Sterling would be cool paying a bunch of money for guys that are unbalanced. (He still has to give Griffin an Extension, he offered Jordan 8 years $40M yesterday) that would give the Clippers 4 players making around an average of $10M a season (Gordon, Griffin, Jordan, Smith) plus the 3 years @ $7.5M+ per season you’d be payin to Marvin Williams, 2 years $8.5M+ per season for Mo Williams. – In regards to the Jason Kidd aspect, are you saying they would just buy him out? I understood that they would receive salary relief, but isn’t it a waste to chase that relief by giving up Udoh? I’m sure they can find someone to give Biedrins away for. Plus the Mavericks would be taking on salary despite giving up 3 players for 1.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    yeah…… no. these trades make no sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com aman from arkansas

    raptors get- a. blatche
    wizards get- a. bargnani

  • http://leobeingleo.com Leo Sepkowitz

    @nbk – The salary relief wouldn’t come this year for Golden State. However, Kidd’s deal expires at the end of the year while Biedrins has three years left on his contract including this year, all at $9 million per. For the Clippers, I think Jordan, Griffin and Smith could co-exist in a starting lineup.

  • http://leobeingleo.com Leo Sepkowitz

    @caboose – The Hornets would get no young talent back in that deal, and the trio of Lakers coming over aren’t good enough to make any noise considering how bad the Hornets roster would be without Paul. New Orleans adding a first-round pick to the deal makes it even more unfair. In the Ellis deal, the Warriors dump Ellis for a sharp-shooter, two role-playing bigs and Hedu’s ugly contract. That makes very little sense to me. In the Suns deal, I’m not sure why Phoenix would ship out Nash along with Lopez and Dudley – they are two of their better young players. The Nets deal would leave them extremely thin down low.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You will have 3 guys who can’t shoot from outside 15 feet in your starting lineup? Josh Smith is losing athleticism by the year, the window for him guarding primarily perimeter guys is closing fast if it isn’t already closed. And that still means your wasting a year of Steph Curry’s development for $9M that you would have gotten 2 years later anyway. The Warriors are getting younger and younger and building towards the future. Wouldn’t it be more fruitful for them to take the Monta Ellis trade (which has already been offered, more than once), keep Steph Curry, and slide Reggie Williams or Dorrel Wright to the 2? That way you have a full, balanced roster. (Curry, Wright/Williams, Gay, Lee, Biedrins/Chandler) instead of (Curry, Ellis, Kidd, Wright/Williams, Lee, ?/Chandler)

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/media/slam-tv/2009/12/video-did-dalembert-block-iguodalas-shot/ Caboose

    Fair enough Leo. It’s certainly hard figuring out trades that work for both teams, let alone 3.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine nbk

    If I was Atlanta I would pursue a Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia, & Kirk Hinrich for Andrew Bogut, Drew Gooden, & Beno Udrih. Atlanta fills their void at Center (it is a void) and gets the best player in the trade. But they take back Gooden & Udrih’s contract (giving up Kirk also frees up the starting role for Teague) The Bucks get a true 2nd/1st best player who will fit in with Brandon Jennings, they get Zaza & Kirk to fill their other positional holes, and stick with their defense first philosophy along the way.

  • http://leobeingleo.com Leo Sepkowitz

    Bogut’s missed 76 games over the last three seasons. No way I deal Smith for an injury-prone center with Horford still around AND take on Gooden’s dough if I’m Atlanta.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He played 65 last season and has only played less than that once. And led the league in blocks and averaged 11RPG last season. And Horford isn’t cutting it as a Center, he isn’t going to make big steps forward till he plays the right position.

  • chris

    That last trade is AWFUL for the Mavericks

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